Burning at Prospero boxes game!

>>49381002
Tartaros and MkIIIs look quite generic. How many you get them in the box is another thing. If it's 10 MkIIIs, 5 Tartaros and then super special models on the other side, fuck it, I'll wait for the solo boxes.

Can't wait for "GW would never do plastic MkIII because they wouldn't be like FW ones" anon to pitch in.

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>>49381002
FOR THE WOLF TIME!!!!

>>49381111
Oh no, I love the Tartaros and MkIII, as well as the Custodes. I hate the Space Wolf character, and the more than likely Thousand Sons character, as they can't be made generic compared to the already generic BaC HQs.

Heck, the BaC Chaplain isn't actually wearing a Skull helm, as they did back in 30k.

>>49381143
No, please.

>>49381150
claw makes me think bjorn

>>49381174
Which is hilarious, seeing as FW did not want Bjorn in 30k, just like they did not want Volkite in 40k.

Though, with Bjorn they have a more justified reason, seeing as he was a Literally Who? back then.

>>49381002
>... this brand new bored game
Is that what it says at the bottom?

>>49381192
>FW did not want Bjorn in 30k

Why the fuck not? They have put plenty of literal whos in there. Why is he a no-go?

>>49381192
Bjorn fought alongside the emperor.

That makes him more recognizable than 90% of the other 30k characters.
>This super stronk marine did stuff and ded.
>This admech was super stronk and ran away.
>This marine was super SUPER stronk and ran at first and died later.
I mean really, stop being bootyblasted about space wolves you manchild.

>>49381231
FW is weird about random shit

>>49381192
>just like they did not want Volkite in 40k
Like, I don't get that. It's a one-off in the adeptus mechanicus, who are the people who would almost definitely have some 30k shit in abundance.

You can't just go from "these weapons are essentially standard issue on not-imperial guard" to "there are NO volkites in 40k EVER"

>>49381201
It says boxed game.

>>49381231
Because Bjorn is just a random tactical marine at this point. He's more than a literal who, he's a literal nobody.

>>49381274
he's a terran veteran, ain't he?

>>49381255
Except that they weren't even being made anymore at the time of the Heresy. And they sure as hell weren't standard issue, despite everyone putting them in their army lists.

>>49381002
>Burning at Prospero boxes game!
I read that title as
>Boxing at Prospero
I thought GW was about to drop a new sports-themed Specialist Game on us. A 40K equivalent of Blood Bowl, just another sport more focused on personal combat than teamwork

>>49381302
No.

>>49381302
Pretty sure he's from Fenris. Or he's a newly made Terran SW by that time, as no legion except the Death Guard stopped recruiting from Terra, iirc. TSons might have stopped as well.

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>>49381274
Try Wolfguard Champion during Prospero.

>>49381324
>>49381335
hm, well, still, as far as 30k marines go, he's right up there with ahriman and kharn for "being from 30k"

It would be strange not to have him in the game, since his whole deal is that he's from the heresy.

>>49381376
>he's right up there with ahriman and kharn for "being from 30k"

Yet he's not a captain, Polux has more rank than Bjorn, he is a no one that should get rules when FW does the Scouring in 202X.

>>49381376
Nah see, that's what makes him special in 40k.

In 30k, there is nothing special about him.

>>49381376
He's important because he was the one that was left behind when Russ left. Really has nothing to do with what he did during the Heresy.

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>>49381150
>No, please.

>>49381002
fuck yes custodes!!!! loving the mk3s as well gunna grab one of these for my sons of horus blam!!

>>49381420
But wasn't the point of that being that Bjorn was pretty much Russ' best friend? Like, to the point that it personally hurt Bjorn when Russ specially told him he couldn't come with him.

>>49381829
No, that was mostly after the heresy when he became a pretty cool dude and part of his bodyguard. Albeit the lowest-ranking member of it.

>Like, to the point that it personally hurt Bjorn when Russ specially told him he couldn't come with him.
This was more of that he couldn't understand why Russ told him to stay behind, as he was hurt that he could not go alongside his bodyguard brethren. What Russ meant as a compliment and for him to lead the chapter, Bjorn took as an insult and personal injury, and could not and still can not comprehend why he was left behind.

>rylanor the unyielding
>some dude who carried the Emperor's flag and refused to turn traitor
>mawdrym llansahai
>fucked up apothecary
>castrmen orth
>tank commander
>shabran darr
>assault company adjutant
>honoured telemechrus
>young legionary put into a dreadnought
>crysos morturg
>loyalist psyker DG
>durak rask
>siegemaster loyal to mortarion
>kaedes nex
>edgy moritat

So, how are these dudes more of a "somebody" than a wolf guard champion?

>>49381862
That's the Luthor story.

Unles HH writers are so uncreative that they just copy paste various marine fluff over others.

>>49381964
Because during the Heresy Bjorn really was a nobody. In 40k he's famous for having been alive back then and the lowest-ranking member of the Wolf Guard during the Scouring.

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>>49381862

Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>49381984
>That's the Luthor story
I'll admit I don't know my Wolf Lore, and I haven't any ranks in Knowledge (Wolves). Help me out here?

>Thousand Sons + baller yiff models + FUCKING CUSTODES HOLY SHIT

Goddamnit I don't have like 120 euros to dump on this shit.

>>49382007
He was wolfguard during Prospero. He was part of the honor guard on Nikea. He fought a daemon and Amon.

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>>49382066
>He only fought a demon and some random marine
>Thinks thats special

Space wolves? More like Space Scrubs.

>>49382066
Oh, you're right. Forgot, actually.

Eh, doesn't matter to me really. I don't care about the Space Wolves, I just hate the fact that there's non-generic characters in the box. How I hate non-generic characters in boxes such as these.

Plus FW said they weren't going to include him in 30k anyways. So eh.

>>49382097
>Captain of the 9th Fellowship of the Thousand Sons
>some random marine

I think it's more special than being an edgelord that disappears after Isstvan. Or a loyalist from a traitor legion.

>>49382042
I don't remember super well myself. But I remembered it differently.
It's hard cause Lexicanum is awful and is all newfluff bullshit so it's practically useless and I'd have to dig out my old wolf dex to actually check everything.

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>>49382034
Too far anon, too far and too low.

>>49381150
>I hate the Space Wolf character, and the more than likely Thousand Sons character,
Why do you hate Ahriman?

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>>49381002
>Burning at Prospero boxes game!
YES
YEEEEEEESSSSS

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>>49383699
I do not hate Ahriman, I hate the fact that he's more than likely being put in this box.

Which pisses me off for two reasons.

One, it means that the HQs the box comes with aren't generic.

Two, it means he's not getting the epic FW model treatment. I mean, just look at their Khârn!

>>49381002
ARE THOSE FUCKING CUSTODES?

>>49383877
No, it just says Custodes ironically

>Possible not WOLFY wolf rune wulfen space marines
>Actual good space wolves again
>fucking custodes
>fucking tartaros armor and mk3 power armor

Well fuck me sideways like a two butt holed badger. You got me interested GW.

Anyone else think that the Custodes are there to form an allied detachment? An HQ and five man Troops, it looks like.

>>49383867
>I mean, just look at their Khârn!
Looks like a manlet version of the manlet primarch

>>49383993
But Alpharius doesn't have a model?

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>>49381002
>Tartaros terminators
>Iron Armor
AAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGHHHH

>>49383949
Could be just a squad to act as Agents of the Emperor.

>>49384035
Custodes will have a full army list, which means that they won't be Agents of the Emperor. Now if there was only a single Custodes character, then I'd believe you.

Finally, more space marines.

>>49384085

That feeling when there's only three things you want from modern GW.
>Genestealer cult like death watch
>transport for your admech
>A plastic eldar corsair range

Custodes, more plastic power armor variants, non turbo wolf space wolves, are fucking cool though.

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>>49384181
>Genestealer cult like deathwatch
man I don't think they'll ever do that

Better not simply be 10 mk3, 5 Tartaros and then the hqs and custodes. The BaC box did so well sue to being generic.

Oh and btw, bjorn used an axe up until the very late stages of the heresy (or even early scouring) so that mini isn't bjorn

>>49384371

Anon, I knew it was coming I just want it now.

>>49384181
I want another IG regiment in plastic like valhallans/steel legion/vostroyans and the obvious Sisters.

>>49384402
you're probably not even finished painting the overkill stuff, man

I know I haven't touched my hybrids yet beyond assembly for priming.

>>49381255

Volkite I can understand from a lore and possibly power perspective.

In HH it has the mystique of a power type of weapon that is either no longer made or can't be made in sizable numbers. 40k has a bad habit ruleswise of taking things like that and suddenly making them available to everyone and their mother, thus giving the impression they aren't rare.

At least I'm assuming it's the above and not FW acting like volkites are their OC do not steal.

>>49381984

Pretty sure that stuff about Bjorn is from Battle of the Fang and not the HH.

>>49383867

To be fair, I think FW is already pretty far behind on creating models for their special characters. They can probably get away with it because as far as I'm aware they either don't produce art of those characters or give a portrait at best. To further make things harder for third parties, the people who buy from FW are likely the type to wait for the genuine article rather than some knockoff that was rushed out.

Doesn't really stop them from making an Ahriman model if they want to.

Also with regards to Kharn, I still can't figure out how that they messed up which of his arms is bare and which of them is covered. The weapons are also switched up, but you can write that off due to him being ambidextrous.

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>>49381002

>Wake up to this

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMNNNNN

>>49383998
What the hell are you talking about? He have like 6-7 models

>>49384775
>40k has a bad habit ruleswise of taking things like that and suddenly making them available to everyone and their mother, thus giving the impression they aren't rare.
okay, but it's still just on the head honcho of the adeptus mechanicus, who are the guys responsible for hoarding ancient tech for themselves

>>49383867
One take with a slim chance is that the mini is not Ahriman but a generic TS sorceror, the reason being that the symbols on his tabard have no corvidae iconography and thus put him in another clan.

Have faith, anon.

I've heard a few people mention that we'd see the Silent Sisters in this game.
Any pic of the minis or were the rumour mongers just blowing it out their own arse?

>>49385050
Nope, so Sisters of either kind have been confirmed in any rumour.

>>49384868

It sort of sets a bad precedent though, I can see why FW might not like it.

>>49385050

As far as I recall there was never any mention of Sisters of Silence appearing in the next HH boxe game. They're supposed to get rules in Inferno and models from FW.

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>>49381002
>November
>Not October

>>49385832
Fucking hell, I completely missed that.

Man, I wish GW would give us plastic MkII.

I just want an all MkII army.

Sisters of Silence were confirmed by sad panda who also confirmed custodes. Check dakka

>>49383998
All of the alpha legion models are alpharius.

The direct quote from sad panda was.
mkiii isn't wrong but no mention of sisters or custodes. Odd.

They are generics you fucking dolt.

The only thing non generic will be the space wolf character and thousand son character ( possibly bjorn and ahriman). Remember that the ahriman sprue has a alternative chest piece and alternative blank shoulder.

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>>49385885
My erection has trascended the mortal realms.

>>49385915
>Remember that the ahriman sprue has a alternative chest piece and alternative blank shoulder.
What? Pics?

>>49385919
No Sisters, sorry anon. Sad Panda never confirmed Sisters, only made it seem like he did.

So, things that got plastic before Sisters of Battle:
>Admech
>Genestealer Cult
>Custodes
>if the rumours are true, primarchs in the near future

So when is the inevitable Squats release?

>>49385915
I think anon meant the two characters.

>Remember that the ahriman sprue has a alternative chest piece and alternative blank shoulder.
I heard someone else say this, but I have seen no proof, and this proof is something I would love to see.

>>49385931
>No Sisters, sorry anon. Sad Panda never confirmed Sisters, only made it seem like he did.

Damn it! Dont toy with my erection like that!

>>49385961
Well, if you want cheesecake, don't go to GW, anon. :^)

>>49385961

Sisters in Feb, don't worry

>>49385950

To be fair, Mechanicus and Horus Heresy are both more popular than Sisters.

Genestealer Cult likely happened because it makes for a pretty good enemy for a Deathwatch boxed game. It remains to be seen what kind of kits they get and if they get any additional ones. Their kits could end up being similar to what Chaos Cultists got.

>>49385961

It's possible Sisters just weren't shown. I see no reason for Sad Panda to make mention of them specifically with regards to the boxed game.

Supposedly there is someone out there who has looked through this issue of WD, they might have more information.

>Free gift
>DLC CODE

FUCKING SHIT

Do you people not read. I already posted the direct quote. Sad panda is NEVER wrong. Ahriman is not on the cover but he is definitely in the game. Sisters of silence are too. There are probably the "and more" from the text. There will also be forgeworld models later.

>>49385341
>It sort of sets a bad precedent though, I can see why FW might not like it.
the precedent that the admech do indeed hoard the good shit for themselves?

I don't think I've ever seen a source for this FW not liking it stuff, but if it's even remotely true that would be quite silly.

>>49386067
One of the devs stated this at an Open Day after the Skitarii were released, Volkite was supposed to have been lost by the 41st millenium, as it's production had been halted completely by the 31st.

It's also why all the 30k stiff in 40k is going to be super nerfed in IA14.

>>49386031
>To be fair, Mechanicus and Horus Heresy are both more popular than Sisters.
Because they've got models made this millennium. If Sisters had a modern range they'd be at least as popular as Admech.

>>49386080
that's silly

I mean I'm not going to be surprised if [imperial faction] gets ass-reamed by [alien faction] in an imperial armor, but nerfing the stuff because of that?

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>>49386098
>If Sisters had a modern range they'd be at least as popular as Admech.
Yeah... I'm sure that's absolutely right.

>>49386195
It is. Nobody gave a shit about Admech until they got an actual army release and they're still low on the overall rankings of things people care about, whereas Sisters have had consistent diehards despite their models being older than most people playing 40k today.

>>49381359
>>49381515
>>49382034
>>49382097
SPACE WOLVES! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHOBw6XwqRo

And this is why I like the AU where Emps heard Magnus complaining about the burning of Prospero, went to Fenris to ask Russ what had happened, and saw that the Neophytes where mutating from Wulfen...into Wolfblobs.

Naturally he blew Fenris up.

>>49386264
>I'm so butthurt about fictional characters I tell myself make believe stories (about make believe stories) so my feelings aren't so hurt.
Are you people real?

>>49385832
>>49385832
How is that even possible? I barely got my september issue, and there's already pics of the November one?
In October we get a free gift of a shitty comic book (yay) and now we know that in november its a fucking DLC.

Miniatures GW. Miniatures is all we care about.

>>49386272
>Are you people real?
I dunno, is this real life?

>>49386281
>Is this just fantasy?
Well no, because fantasy has been destroyed and replaced with age of sigmar.

>>49386287
Well at least there are people who aren't caught in the landslide that was caused by GW doing that.

>>49386238
>Nobody gave a shit about Admech until they got an actual army release and they're still low on the overall rankings of things people care about,

That isn't true. There were lots of people converting imperial guardsmen into admech styled troops. They were also featured in many stories,converting articles and artwork pieces.

>Sisters have had consistent diehards despite their models being older than most people playing 40k today.

So did Dark Elder before their update. Though they sold well at their release they are now one of the lesser played armies. What the diehards say online also isn’t a good indicator of what is popular and what is not. Scions get a lot of shit on /tg/ for being ugly and changing the design of stormtroopers yet they have been one of GW’s top sellers since release.

>>49386330
DE are only "unpopular" in that they're awful on the tabletop and CE+DE stopped being a god tier combo so CE could be OP on their own. And if you consider people posting online a vocal minority, people hating on the scions infantry are a minority of a minority. It's the fisher price trucks that nobody likes.

>>49386300
Open your eyes anon, Fantasy was dead by that point. Look up the slides and see.

>>49386238
What you call "diehards" are mostly hipsters thriving off their own made-up victim status.
Half of them would instantly drop sisters if they were updated.

>>49386371
>DE are only "unpopular" in that they're awful on the tabletop

So are Scions and Tyranid yet they are in the current top sellers. You cannot say one faction is unpopular due to bad rules while GW's top sellers have always had armies and units with terrible rules.

>And if you consider people posting online a vocal minority, people hating on the scions infantry are a minority of a minority

Were you not around when scions were released? It was non-stop complaining and people later refusing to believe they were a best seller.

So are Scions and Tyranid yet they are top sellers.You cannot say one faction is upopular due to bad rules while GW's top sellers have always had armies and units whith terrible rules.

>>49386098

Mechanicus was always popular

The Horus Heresy as a whole has been going strong for around twelve years now.

>>49386238

It's very possible those who play Sisters are simply a vocal minority.

>>49386264

Unless Curse of the Wulfin or HH books have changed things, I don't think the Wulfin were exactly a secret at the time.

>>49386280

They're probably trying to cater to different parts of the fanbase.

September was AoS/hobbyists, October is people who like reading, November will be for those who play the various video games.

Besides, at most GW could have included some plastic 40k figure. They don't have anything else besides LotR which has gone full resin.

>>49386426
>Were you not around when scions were released? It was non-stop complaining and people later refusing to believe they were a best seller.
I was and it was not. In fact I can specifically remember there was one idiot complaining about the breastplates who got laughed at by everyone else and BTFO by old art showing similar stuff. The response to the scions infantry was otherwise near universally favourable.

>>49386426
I don't trust GW or FW best sellers lists. FW had the new titan on there for ages and I simply don't believe they shifted that many.

>>49386478

Apparently it's sold far better than anyone at FW could have ever imagined.

>>49386485
Really? Did they say that anywhere in particular?

>>49386440
>Besides, at most GW could have included some plastic 40k figure. They don't have anything else besides LotR which has gone full resin.

Erm, yes, that's exactly what I want. Gib us teh plstic spess derp and I will be happy.

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>>49386264
The Wulfen gene is basically the Space Wolves' way to resist Warp mutations. I'm pretty sure the Emperor would rather tolerate a bunch of loyal frenzied wolf men than semi-mad, half demon chaos spawns that other marines would turn into after being exposed to the Warp.

>>49386411

It's "look up to the skies and see" but fair point.
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy.

>>49386489

At one of the FW Open Days, when talking about Titans.

>>49386485
That's because FW's only prior experience with fat chunks of expensive resin has been with thunderhawks and fucking mantas (like seriously who gives a fuck about mantas).

People dig titans. They have since Adeptus Titanicus. Of course they'd be all over the warlord when it came out.

>>49386418
funnily enough, that happened with DE locally. They're popular, but with new players. All the DE diehards swapped armies almost immediately.

>>49381231

FW hates the cartoony, AoS-tier shit GW puts out.

Bjorn is fucking retarded in 40k.

FW is not against making Bjorn, but if they did he'd be the guy with power armor and a lightning claw.

If they dont do it is because he's a secondary character and they still have to put a fuckload of other characters in miniature form.

Bjorn would be Garro-tier in terms of importance.

>>49381323
I think they planned one that was hockey.

>>49386687
By your logic, all of these characters >>49381964 are Garro tier.

>FW hates the cartoony, AoS-tier shit GW puts out.
>Bjorn is fucking retarded in 40k.

Do explain your position a little more.

>he'd be the guy with power armor and a lightning claw.

As oppose to a dread, or a tank, or a guy with power armour and a pair of pistols?

>>49386830

FW likes old 40k, where Space Wolves werent literal werewolves riding wolves in space sleds with ice claws etc. That's why every single unit they put out is different but makes sense in the whole theme of Space Marines.

FW space wolves will be classic, regular space marines with a slightly more celtic theme.

If FW made Bjorn he'd have to wait in line for all the secondary characters they have planned.

>>49386687
im still waiting for Lucius and fabius bile for my emperors children

>>49386874

I fear GW may have said something about it, because it seems like they're making Ahriman and Bjorn for the box set.

This may mean FW will no longer make all characters, just the ones GW doesnt want.

As for why did FW made Kharn and Typhus asnd Eidolon, it was probably because HH wasnt popular enough yet, so GW didnt intervene.

Maybe if you like cartoony plasticshit
This means no lucius and no Bile

>>49386866
>FW likes old 40k, where Space Wolves werent literal werewolves riding wolves in space sleds with ice claws etc. That's why every single unit they put out is different but makes sense in the whole theme of Space Marines.
>FW space wolves will be classic, regular space marines with a slightly more celtic theme.

What does any of that have to do with Bjorn?

>If FW made Bjorn he'd have to wait in line for all the secondary characters they have planned.

Can't wait to see what nobodies they pull out of their asses they deem to be more important than Bjorn.

>>49386956

Bjorn is the most retarded werefolw-like character of the heresy and GW is making it, as you can see by the OP picture. GW has hijacked Bjorn from FW.

Dark Angels and Blood Angels dont have anything character-wise, for example

>>49386972
>Bjorn is the most retarded werefolw-like character of the heresy

Not the 13th or Leman Russ?

>>49386264

Is the AU where the Emperor is literally a butthurt Thousandfag?

Because Despite what Thousandfags whine about, One is a bunch of rednecks with retard genes making the best of their situation, the other is a bunch of /r9k/ autists literally poking the hornests nest the Emperor told them specifically to stop poking.

>>49386956

The problem is that FW and BL never tried to create a pre-Bjorn character to act as the big Space Wolf cheese in the time when Bjorn was just one battle brother among many, a line Marine with a Bolter in a Tactical Squad of Tra.

>>49387008

There's no firry werewolf 13 with ice claws in 30k, and FW is making Leman Russ.

>>49386500
They're still mutants on the level of ratlings and Ogryn.

But worse because the mutations are degenerative, not stable like the tolerated abhumans.
They get away with it the same way all the other chapters/legions get away with their shit. Because marines.

>>49386972
>Bjorn is the most retarded werefolw-like character of the heresy

Based on what? A fuzzy image for ants of a model we know nothing about?

>Dark Angels and Blood Angels dont have anything character-wise, for example

Speaks volume about their character, now doesn't it? BA traded in all their characters for assault cannons.

>>49387031
>There's no firry werewolf 13 with ice claws in 30k

Okay, but how is Bjorn more werewolf than those guys?

>FW is making Leman Russ.

How does that make Russ less of a wolf guy than Bjorn?

>>49387038
I find it pretty ironic considering looking at the image Bjorn looks like the White Dwarf right next to him.

>>49381002
yay grombrindal

>>49387029
>wolf guard champion at prospero
>just a line marine with a bolter

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>>49387034
Poor Sanguinius not realizing everyone's ok with the Blood Angel's defects.

>>49387063

You've never read Prospero Burns have you?

He might have been a Wolf Guard Champion in older fluff, but in the new fluff he's just an ordinary line marine.

>>49387087
>caring about BL HH

Maybe if they didn't retcon everything they wouldn't have to claim he was a nobody line marine? I don't even play SW but this is just stupid. Here I thought FW was suppose to be upholding old 30k, but they're just parroting the new party line right down the middle. I really hope GW just makes him what he was and retcons this crap out of existence.

>>49387117

Of course they're toeing the line. The HH is a unified setting and there's a great deal of effort to keep a degree of internal consistency. So if they decided Bjorn was a line Marine, then all works will also have that.

Here's the line from the book. He's not even the Squad Sergeant of his pack.

>I was placed with Jormungndr Two-blade’s pack. Bear was amongst them, and Godsmote and Aeska and Helwintr. Every member of the pack kept their eyes on me, watching to see if I would fall down and roll back my eyes, and froth at the lips and plead for mercy in the voice of the Crimson King.

>>49387133
And now he's a Wolf Guard again as it should be.

>>49387149

We have no guarantee that the model is Bjorn, and I doubt given the lead BL has taken in the series that they would let themselves get retconned like that.

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>>49384000

>>49387161
The BL has always been secondary to the designers of the game.

>>49386478

If you're talking about the Warlord Titan, I can believe it. From various reports they apparently sold out of it the when it went up for sale early at one of the FW Open Days.

>>49386866

>FW space wolves will be classic, regular space marines with a slightly more celtic theme.

Because that is what the SW looked like during the Great Crusade and HH.

Unless you have something from one of the designers to back it up, don't pull the shit people are fond of in which you pretend FW and the 'fans' are one in the same against big dum GW.

>>49387117

>Here I thought FW was suppose to be upholding old 30k, but they're just parroting the new party line right down the middle

Only morons and the type of fans I mentioned above actually believed this. Anyone else could tell that BL and FW HH are one in the same looked at from different view points.

I also really have to question how much old HH there was outside of Visions of Darkness and some Index Astartes articles.

>>49387206

FW has kept in line with what has been written in the BL books.

>>49387206

BL put out two books to coincide with Betrayal at Calth. I think they had a hand in how the games were set out.

In fact, I know they're putting out a book called 'The 13th Wolf', which I would out money on being released with this new box. If true, that model wouldn't be Bjorn at all, but Bulveye, Jarl of the 13th Company.

>>49387161
>BL has any say in the matter

Tough shit. I can't wait for all the people who only know 30k through the current fluff to cry about GW wanting to retcon Bjorn to pimp their 40k waifu.

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>>49387161
>I doubt BL would let themselves get retconned like that
GW does whatever it wants to do. We'll see who it is in a few weeks, most likely.

>>49386238
> Nobody gave a shit about Admech until they got an actual army release
Anon, you're mixing things up. They got an army release (which is extremely unfitting to their lore, as they are far to standartised) because people wanted one since decades.
Espicially the 3rd edition guard codex increased interest as you could make a somewhat AdMech army then.

>>49387258
This, I really wonder why people are thinking BL are somehow the ones in POWER here.

BL has always been secondary to the game itself, if a model contradicts BL then BL is wrong, it's always been like that.

>>49386500
They are still a bit above chapter streight compared to legion streight 10k years ago. Without second founding chapters.
My guess is, that their wulfen shit eats them alive.

>>49387018
No, what it is is one where you flip the sides that 18 of the 20 Primachs were on. Sanguinus and Konrad would be the only ones who stayed relatively the same.

Unfortunately this means Sanguinus still dies saving his father (this time it's from Roboute, whose lost his fruit completely and is trying to make his own Empire, but better.), but it does mean we get to see Angron bitchslapping various bits of Roboutes anatomy off.

>>49387018
> One is a bunch of rednecks with retard genes making the best of their situation
Goes for Wulfes and Sons actually.
Both from backwater worlds, both have shit in them that fucks them up.

>>49387274
Source on that claim? I thought everything, whether GW, FW, BL, (even FFG maybe), or whatever, had an "unreliable narrator" disclaimer going on so you sort of judge it as you go.

>>49387314
Ah the "I am a butthurt chaos fag I want to be the good guy"

The reason the Chaos Primarchs fell is because they were all arrogant dickheads. Every single one of them was full of Hubris.

>>49387333
GW development is run like this

Modelers > game designers > Writers

A unit or a new idea is brought to like 90% because a modeler wants to design something cool.

For example, the Dark Eldar, NOBODY will ever be able to supercede Jes Goodwins ideas for Dark Eldar.

>>49387274
>BL has always been secondary to the game itself,

Oh really? Source this or be dismissed as a liar.

>>49387366
See

>>49387358

Nothing is concrete but the Models.

If Bjorn is a Wolf Guard captain, sorry HH, he's a wolfguard captain.

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>>49387333

No, that is fans and even BL authors misunderstanding a quote.

GW will basically take into account and change whatever they think is for the best. The caveat with the HH is that it seems to be a pretty tight project and I can't believe they'd shit on what was previously written about Prospero. Both A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns are already in hardback, so there is no reprinting them with convenient changes.

>>49387358
You forgot the executives step before models.

>>49387358
Okay, but that isn't proof that one part of the business makes stuff that's more canon than another part, which is what was claimed.

>>49387372
Executives don't even have say over the modelers.

You think an executive can step in and tell Jes Goodwin "Don't make that model"?

>>49387370
So no source?

>>49387382
>You think an executive can step in and tell Jes Goodwin "Don't make that model"?
Yes.

>>49387375
If a model contradicts the fluff.

The fluff is wrong.

>>49387384
>S-Source source

You'd know if you actually played Warhammer mate.

>>49387382
They can tell them what to make and what projects get the go ahead for production.

>>49387371
>Both A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns are already in hardback, so there is no reprinting them with convenient changes.

So was Visions, and they decided to reprint that with updated art and fluff more in line with the current one.

>>49387395
Sorry, sir, but a claim with nothing backing it is a lie/falsehood.

>>49387371
>I can't believe they'd shit on what was previously written
the HH series is riddled with inconsistencies and reprints, let alone how it treats the pre-existing lore

The "DRAMATIS PERSONAE" of the Wolf-King novella says this :

>Bjorn, ‘The One-Handed’, pack leader

So what's the problem?

>>49387405
>>49387396
>>49387388

>How to spot American 40k players.

You people really are alien to the concept of GW's design structure ain't you?

You're so fed on the "Suits run everything in the business" you have no idea how much of a Dystopian thing GW actually is.

GW is ran by the designers. It's ran by people who only care about making models THEY care about.

Why do you think everything is big set pieces or monsters instead of more updated infantry units?

Pretty sure there was even an interview with a modeler that said the exact thing, the designers like making big monsters and things instead of boring infantry.

>>49387423
If that was true there wouldn't be so much garbage, especially garbage obviously made by fresh out of school 3D modellers hired for pennies like the entire AoS range. You also wouldn't have had people like the Perry brothers doing less and less stuff for GW so they could actually do stuff they liked.

>>49387396

>They can tell them what to make

And your source for this is?

Oh wait, there isn't any. This idea of suits running the Design Studio is just the fall back for people when they bitch about not liking a certain model or a change in the lore or rules.

>>49387399

Reprinted after Visions had been out of print for years and at most only took the early HH books into account.

Part of the reason they've started reprinting the HH books in hardback is so that if needed they can go back and tweak things here or there.

>>49387408

Pre-existing lore that was basically shit out for some WD articles.

Before the books the HH was never some solid and well put together thing, it was basically a series of events strung together and the only events that ever really got focus were the ones explaining why something is like it is in 40k.

>>49387413
Thats like Sarge.

>>49387441
Perry brothers left because they love making historical stuff.

>>49381323
>I thought GW was about to drop a new sports-themed Specialist Game on us.
Isn't that Gorechosen? aka the gladiatoral "sports" game based on individual combat?

>>49386896
>This may mean FW will no longer make all characters
honestly though, this isn't That big of a loss. not every FW model is great or even good.

for instance, there is Fulgrims face and pose, which are stupid
the changes they made to Kor Pharon and gave him a weirder face than the snarlig "evil" one he had during their planning stage
Lorgars model is literary just standing still, no emotion or action conveyed at all - and he's supposed to be one of, if not THE most emotive of the Primarchs

>>49387445
>Pre-existing lore that was basically shit out for some WD articles.

>Before the books the HH was never some solid and well put together thing, it was basically a series of events strung together and the only events that ever really got focus were the ones explaining why something is like it is in 40k.

Duh, because it was designed to be Mythology not concrete evidence.

the fact that the HH has basically turned most of the primarchs from heroic mythological figures to moody teenagers dramatically cuts the strength out from under the HH anyway.

>>49387445
>Before the books the HH was
nigger I said let alone the pre-existing fluff

The HH series itself is massively incoherent for a supposedly "planned" set of books. They are perfectly fine with retroactively editing earlier books now that they've piled on a LITERAL decade of nonsense.

And if GW wants to make a model that contradicts that? BL isn't going to raise a stink. Those books aren't considered sacrosanct by anyone involved.

>>49387474
>And if GW wants to make a model that contradicts that? BL isn't going to raise a stink. Those books aren't considered sacrosanct by anyone involved.

This is the exact point, GW alone have the say of what they want and what they do, BL has literally no weight in these decisions.

>>49387423

The thing is though, infantry is only boring because they want it to be.

Literal retards and 12year olds

>>49387470
>because it was designed to be Mythology not concrete evidence

Pretty sure that's just your personal opinion and not the intention of the writers. So you have a source somewhere?

>>49387423
Stop being racist and provide proofs.

>>49387499
Try.... reading the old fluff?

How am I able to provide a source which for you autistic fuckers needs to be a literal link or scan most likely, of a writing style?

Ollanius Pius is probably the biggest one.

He's literally a legend. HH turns him into some Perpetual dickhead whose entire meaning is lost.

>>49387518
No, provide author/writer notes.

>Ollanius Pius is probably the biggest one.

He is not really a legend. If he was, GW wouldn't had retconned him with an Imperial Fist and then a Custodes.

Before the HH put him back as whatever, he wasn't a part of the setting and had no meaning.

>>49387499
So, you're arguing that pre-HH series 30k fluff was designed to be solid, factual series of historical events?

I have to say that this is a first. Whenever I try to bring up examples of old fluff it's "yeah, but that's just myths and legends, don't drink the propaganda kool-aid, man."

>>49387562
He's saying I need to provide author/writers notes for this shit.

>>49387544


He's clearly some kind of deranged autist from /v/ who never read shit like the 3rd edition rulebook or space marine army book.

You know, the same ones that gave us the Space marine daily life schedule.

>>49387441

Perry Brothers were primarily doing LotR and the Hobbit before they left to do their own thing. If GW had decided they wanted to support LotR/Hobbit a few years ago, they still might be there.

>>49387470

>Duh, because it was designed to be Mythology not concrete evidence.

That's debatable, it could have just been something that was whipped up to explain things as I said. In fact it being said that the Horus Heresy really didn't exist until Visions of Darkness was written undercuts the idea that there was ever some great mythology in place.

>the fact that the HH has basically turned most of the primarchs from heroic mythological figures to moody teenagers dramatically cuts the strength out from under the HH anyway.

The Index Astartes articles already did that.

I also say I see nothing wrong with how the Primarchs act. It seems a lot of people who bring up them acting in stupid ways or doing stupid shit tend to forget that they're human and thus not perfect. It was the fans who built up the Primarchs to be these supermen who always do what is right and logical and have no failings whatsoever.

If anything the Primarchs are like the Greek gods, humans with super powers.

>>49387518

He's literally propaganda and is even present in the HH because fans bitched about a Terminator and Custodes supposedly taking his place. Thus to placate the fans heaven and earth had to be moved to create something sensible.

What happened to Pius solely lies with the fans, BL is guilty of giving a damn about the fans' tantrums. Their inability to remember that the only time an Imperial soldier supposedly intervened between the Emperor and Horus was old Rogue Trader lore.

>>49387562
>So, you're arguing that pre-HH series 30k fluff was designed to be solid, factual series of historical events?

No, I want proof that the old HH was meant to mythical instead of hastily thrown out burps of fluff like the case of most 40K fluff. You don't put words in people's mouths or claim intention without proof.

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>>49387544
>Pius
>He is not really a legend
>he wasn't a part of the setting and had no meaning.

>>49387589
You know, you can spout your Warseer rhetoic all you want autist.

Fact remains Pious was butchered by shitty HH writers who have a boner for making the Imperial primarchs worse than the Chaos primarchs when that is factually not the case.

You're like a thousandfag desperately trying to say Magnus did nothing wrong where not even the HH tier fluff-twisting can remove the fact that Magnus was dabbling in chaos sorcery and was told tons of times to stop fucking up.

>>49387594
3rd edition rulebook.

There.

>>49387605
He's a HHfag.

I don't think he even plays the game.

>>49387605
Something that gets written out of the setting as if he never existed, has no meaning in the setting. He might have had meaning to your fanboner but that's irrelevant to the setting.

>>49387609
>3rd edition rulebook.

I don't see how it proves that the old HH was written with the intention of making it mythological

>>49387589
>. In fact it being said that the Horus Heresy really didn't exist until Visions of Darkness was written undercuts the idea that there was ever some great mythology in place.

It actually supports the mythology idea. There was no big picture - no perfect history they were following. They just threw in the HH as background material. Sure, it was covering events that happened in the setting - but it was essentially 40k's equivalent to 'In the beginning, the Earth was void.'

>>49387609

>You know, you can spout your Warseer rhetoic all you want autist.

Haha, it's Warseer that takes your point of screeching about Pius and humanity fuck yeah.

Seriously, I find it fucking hilarious how people have forgotten that it wasn't the current or even recent GW that gave Pius the boot, it was the GW that created The Lost and the Damned and Slaves to Darkness, the supposed golden GW, they were the ones who decide Pius was had no place in the HH.

>>49387629
Go read the HH parts in the 3rd edition rulebook then.

the Prose is that of a forgotten myth, not factual statements and written first person accounts.

The Primarchs didn't have person feelings displayed.

>>49387636
>It actually supports the mythology idea.

Not really. It looks to me they were just throwing out random ideas and stories but they had no intention of making it mythical by doing so. It's like saying people doodling stuff on a blank paper makes what's written down mythical.

>>49387637
>gave Pious the boot

You know not getting mentioned =/= not existing right.

Or did Iron Hand Straken stop existing for two editions then come back?

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>>49387673

It's this that renders Pious' presence in the HH null and void, not him being unmentioned.

>>49387673
>You know not getting mentioned =/= not existing right.

He was written out of the story and was replaced by two power armoured dudes. LG comments on it and the reason why he got the boot (It didn't make sense for him being there).

So he didn't exist. The HH series brought him ack into existence to please the fans.

>>49381255
Faggotworld love to play up techno being forgotten and destroyed forever

Jesus Christ.

The story told of Pius in 40K is made up by the Church so that dog-soldiers will have a Saint to worship and songs to sing as they march to their deaths in service of the Imperial meatgrinder. It's just a cynical in-universe story, because grimdark and no real heroes and old tone. The actual dude was a marine.

Now we have Oll Persson because of 20 years of the fans talking up the mythic legend of Pius more than the original source material and the writers seeing an opportunity to do something interesting with it.

>>49387695
>>49387700

>One legend makes another null and void.

Literally different interpretations. Considering Pious is said to confront Horus at the imperial palace not on the flagship

The point is Pious is THE GUY who makes the Emperor realise Horus is an asshole.

The point is that is how the Horus Heresy was written, with myths and legends.

Pious not existing doesn't actually matter, Pious being a legend does.

>>49381416
Depends on the stage of the heresy
In the five years after prospero he rises in rank
However Lone Wolf suggests he came to rank during the scouring since he kills the bloodthirster that wrecked his pack then - and that level of daemonic isn't common so far in the heresy

I just ignore whatever GW's current fluff says about Ollanius Pius

He'll always be a regular guardsman with balls of steel in my mind and nothing can change that

>>49387468
Every time I see several FW designs, the one they did choose seems the shitty one to me.

The guys in the background look like space wolf tartaros terminators - far right is lighting claws middle one has missile launcher above head
The pauldrons are the clue
So I'm guessing generic tartaros with at best swappable pauldrons?

>>49386601
Or because the DEldar update was fucking awful?

>>49387161
They're Anglos. It's in their genes.

>>49381002
>Giving Grombridal as a FLC Dwarf Legendary

Wow. I knew they'd add a new Lord, but I didn't expect the titular White Dwarf himself.

>>49387468
>not every FW model is great or even good.

Even the worst of FW's models are better than GW's best.

>>49381002
I only just realised that these are custodes, not stormcast.

Ahahahaha, fuck.

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>>49387629

Most 3rd edition codices and the rulebook say that most information about the HH is long lost. What is known is limited and fall of mistakes and contradictions.

Picture from the 3.5 imperial guard codex page 4.

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>>49388083
Pic related sums up the Horus Heresy I feel.

>>49388120
Wasn´t that actually the same deal, as with the codexes? Everything is propaganda and a bunch of half truth´s or lies in some way, shape or form?

>>49388083
>>49388120
HH is basically the midichlorians of 40k. HH was cool when it was a vague historical event and then they fucked it up by trying to detail it and turned it into a shitty series about teenage angst.

Also on a related note it's the same reason that the retards going "yay the 40k story is finally progressing" should kill themselves for missing the point.

>>49386506
I know, but I just didn't know how to force "skies" in and make it feel natural.
Because I'm easy come, easy go

>>49388083
>Most 3rd edition codices and the rulebook say that most information about the HH is long lost. What is known is limited and fall of mistakes and contradictions.

That's not proof of intention and it's statement that in-verse knowledge about the HH is limited. The same kind of statements are present in all recent editions.

This is really idiotic.

>>49387544
>GW wouldn't had retconned him with an Imperial Fist and then a Custodes.

They never did. I wish people would actually read of Pius and the original Horus and Emperor duel before talking about either event.

>>49387743
>The point is Pious is THE GUY who makes the Emperor realise Horus is an asshole.

That was never ever the case.

>>49386112

Never underestimate a butthurt passive-agressive manchild.

>>49387589
>is even present in the HH because fans bitched about a Terminator and Custodes supposedly taking his place
>BL is guilty of giving a damn about the fans' tantrums

Do give some sources that this is the case.

>>49387738
>made up by the Church so that dog-soldiers will have a Saint to worship and songs to sing as they march to their deaths in service of the Imperial meatgrinder. It's just a cynical in-universe story, because grimdark and no real heroes and old tone. The actual dude was a marine.

Now who's writing fanfic?

>do something interesting with it.

You're one of those people who doesn't like historical settings unless they got magic or alt history crap them, aren't you.

>>49388364
>That's not proof of intention and it's statement that in-verse knowledge about the HH is limited

During 3rd edition all fluff about the HH was said to be based on myth/ bad information. Are you honestly arguing that the authors did not intentionally write the fluff like this? That it was just a coincidence that all HH fluff was presented like this?

>he same kind of statements are present in all recent editions.

About the HH? The current rulebook and codices did not tell the reader about the HH like they did before. Exact details are given. Even on the origin of the imperial guard are given.

Again do you believe it was just a coincidence that after the HH series lore about the HH is told in a more factual sense instead of being based on in-universe legends.

>>49387629
>Something that gets written out of the setting as if he never existed, has no meaning in the setting. He might have had meaning to your fanboner but that's irrelevant to the setting.

That's entirely not the point.

You demand examples of old HH fluff being myths and legends, and when you have a perfect example in Pius, who's treated even in the universe as a legend who supposedly gave his life for the Emperor, you ignore it purely because it was retconned.

Also, if you're saying Pius had no meaning, you're forgetting that he was the first person ever to get mentioned as getting in between Emperor and Horus. All subsequent iterations of the tale, be it a terminator, squad of terminators or a Custodes, are born from that first version.

>>49388475
This.

Pius took a blow meant for the Emperor. He basically went "NOOOOOOO!" in slow motion and got fucking murdered. It was the later retelling of the story with the nameless, faceless IF terminator that got the Emperor to realize "shit, maybe Horus is a bad guy".

>>49383867
So? It's still going to be a damned good deal for the price even without the characters.

>>49388606
If I want history I'll open a text book

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>>49383867
I like classic Kharn better

>>49388227
Someone should make Mr. Plinkett reviews of the fluff just to make the 30kids cry.

>>49386426
You seriously believe any 'Bestsellers' lists by any company? Ha. It's just shit they want to sell more of.

>>49388490
Tell me about it. So far it's one volkite weapon used by a high ranking member of Admech. Hardly "volkite in 40k". That's like saying "Imperium's all about using alien tech" because of the C'tan phase sword.

Just because they stop making something eons ago doesn't mean examples of the tech can't persist to M41. Marines get all those Relic tanks and flyers, but nobody gets butthurt over that. Give one techpriest model a volkite blaster and suddenly the fluff is raped. FW needs to get their heads out of their asses and realize they're just a cog in a machine with way more people than them working on it. It's not their OC donut steel waifu setting.

>>49388691
His new 40K model is more dynamic, but the pose is...nah.

>>49388671
>he says while gorging on fictional history and lore

>>49388663
That's how it is portrayed in universe - guardsman takes shot for the emperor
It's propaganda etc
Because saying emperor let Horus beat him to near death because of fatherly feeling doesn't suit imperium grimdark
In the William King story it's him seeing the glee in which Horus takes killing the terminator/custodes

>>49381192
Bjorn isnt all at irrelevant in 30k. By Alaxxes nebula he's the one who tells Russ to man up after the alpha legion kicked their teeth in

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>>49381002
Neat. I hope that's Bjorn.

>>49388742
In the old Realm of Chaos telling he peers into the mind of Horus when he's distracted and sees the dark gods have taken control of him. When he strikes Horus down, he senses the gods retreating, pulling their support of Horus and sanity returns to Horus, but they both know that if he doesn't strike Horus down now, the dark gods will come back. Since it was his last chance, the Emperor killed Horus, obliterating his soul.

Why the Emperor, who has lived for over 38,000 years at that point and sired a bunch of biological children and created thousands upon thousands of genetically engineered weapons to do his bidding, gives that many shits over this particular one, when their purpose was never to be nothing more than tools to help unit the fracture humanity.

>>49388750
I want Russ' final message to Bjorn be to man up, after he leaves to hunt the traitors and leaves Bjorn behind. That's the quality of mind I'd expect from these new primarchs.

>>49381002
Is that MK2 or MK3.

>>49387508
Here you go burger
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/rick-priestley-talks-games-workshop.html

>>49388860
doing! We enjoyed games and gaming and – of course – the models that went with that. The big recent change is that GW has actually stated – both during the Chapter House court hearing and subsequently to its shareholders – that it considers its market to be collectors of models and not gamers. The games are very much played down internally, and you can see with the latest (very nicely done!) models that they are conceived as collectors pieces that have very little practicality in terms of a wargame. It’s perfec tly fine for GW to turn its backs upon wargaming in favour of modelling and collecting if that is the vision of the current management. But the result is that many customers who are or have been passionate about GW’s games do feel marginalized.

>>49388860
Did you actually read that, do you have no reading comprehension, or are you just trolling?

Because that article is about Preistly's disdain for the fact that Games-Workshop is run by suits, not modelers.

>>49388628
>During 3rd edition all fluff about the HH was said to be based on myth/ bad information. Are you honestly arguing that the authors did not intentionally write the fluff like this? That it was just a coincidence that all HH fluff was presented like this?

No, the in-verse information was said to faulty and lacking. The same things are said about things in recent 40K.

For example, the legend of the Sangy chink which pops up in all Blood Angel dexes.


>About the HH? The current rulebook and codices did not tell the reader about the HH like they did before. Exact details are given. Even on the origin of the imperial guard are given.

I disagree because they go the route of legends when it suits them just like the old fluff.

Old and new dexes and rulebooks, they get objective fact mixed with legend. So there is no intention at all. There weren't any mythical era for the fluff. It's just GW going about randomly writing fluff.

>>49388648
>You demand examples of old HH fluff being myths and legends,

I demanded that? No, I didn't I demanded that you proof it was written intentionally to be mythical. It's not.

Like the example I stated, the chink to Horus's armour by Sangy is written about Blood Angel codexes as a in-verse legend among other things. So nothing changed. You guys are just acting hysteric.

>>49388840
mk3, honestly why are people finding it so hard to see

>>49388911
http://cardboardsandwich.com/features/blood-dice-and-darkness-how-warhammer-defined-gaming-for-a-generation/
“The role I had in the studio was with staff working on game development and design, and they’d pretty much decided that game development and design wasn’t of any interest to them. The current attitude in Games Workshop is that they’re not a games company, it’s that they’re a model company selling collectibles. That’s something I find wholly self-deceiving and couldn’t possibly agree with.”

>>49388965
Image for ants and all I see is the back.

>>49388940
>It's not.

The fluff piece literally uses the word "supposed to have" when talking about Pius and his actions. There's no "we have proof this happened" given.

Are only examples you're willing to entertain ones that specifically have a caveat of "this is considered a legend/myth by the people living in M41 and there's no factual evidence for it otherwise"? This is literally the first time I've seen anyone claim that Pius was totally canon event in 40k past at that time, when talking about that little blurb.

>>49389012
and the backleg armour is a big giveaway, its why there was the great debate about whether mk3 could be cast in plastic or not

>>49389079
>backleg armour is a big giveaway

But MkII and III have the same armour on the back. MkIII just puts extra plates on the front.

>>49387225
As someone who bought one recently, I can say there are only ~430 of them (I was 413 a half-month ago.)
Im betting there have been more sales on other things

>>49389190
413th warlord titan, the one for almost £1,500 ?
Yeah I'm surprised they shifted that many.

>>49388691

and they're still selling it which I find odd with the new one up on the store

Bunp.

>>49381002
Because Space Wolves and Thousands Sons are always more interesting than the other legions.

>>49387988
you mean the almost complete plastic update?
the book that was met with almost universal praise?

>>49387371

Speaking of, he just came out and said the model isn't Bjorn.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=23&view=findpost&p=40000642

>>49393072
Ooh, snarky.

>>49388704
>>49389190

It could very well be a percentage sold or shelf-to-sales turnaround numbers that dictate best sellers and the number be valid. Those suckers spent long periods sold out, and were snapped up as soon as they replenished. 100% sold is a fan-fucking-tastic ratio, and they spent no time warehoused. Sounds like a best seller to me.

>>49393072
YIFFS BTFO!

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>>49391907
>Because Space Wolves and Thousands Sons are always more interesting than the other legions.

How can a person be this right

>>49394724
i wanna see her gettin knotted

>>49394724
It's just common sense, Anon. I'm not gonna take credit for that.

Its obviously a box like deathwatch all generic beside 5 new sculpts the custodies and a wolf character that can be also built generic and a thousand son character that can also be built generic then like prob 5 terminators and then rest generic marines.not sure how many thou they didn't reprint BAC right away which makes me think its sorta like the scenery kits for them cool but not a big earner. It makes sense to get FW guys to design plastic for a product you know won't sell as much as the real gw shit. Every one says marines sell but I bet you scions sold more than BAC or earned more on the price to manufacture. One thing I am excited about this box set thou is its the first box since their new style of artifice armor its clearly a new asthetic and that's always fun because it makes some one starting out a collection feel they are apart of a new wave. Its on the store exclusive captain and chaplain and auruman and I'm assuming the custodies (thou they might just be FW design) fw is also copying this new shared aesthetic thou its the way that new paytore fw in shop exclusive model looked. More toy more storm casty flatter details on trim. Easier to paint but funky new style that is almost retro metal. I think possibly they realised MK4 was a bit to perfect and sharp and have started to developed their own style again imagine the aos korne guys but emperium that what's it looks like its on the legs mostly for now but I'm sure its the start of new era of design mk8 when???? Its the bold flat details of auruman and the leg of the new BA Chaplin more fun to put metal paint on some big area its prob to help people doing enamal effects with clear color over metallic. Im glad because its easier to justify a collection on the dawn of a new aesthetic that shit has to match.

>>49395648
>wall of text, the post

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>>49384845
>>49385900
I am Alpharius

>>49395884

He ded. He got Dorn'd.

>>49387725

To be fair, that is one of the themes of 40k, continual decay. Granted the Volkite in HH is more that it's stupidly hard to make and impossible to give to every single Marine, so the Bolter gradually took it's place.

>>49387738

>Now we have Oll Persson because of 20 years of the fans talking up the mythic legend of Pius more than the original source material and the writers seeing an opportunity to do something interesting with it.

Alternatively because they want to pander and not deal with fans coming up to them and screaming in their face.

It would be kind of interesting to know who exactly came up with the idea of making Pius fact.

>>49387743

The difference is that Bill King's account has stopped being a legend and has basically become the definitive story of what happened between the Emperor and Horus, bar a few changes. The fight between them in Visions of Heresy is almost word for word the same as the original, except the Custodes who replaced the Terminator as now been replaced by an Imperial soldier that the Emperor apparently knows.

>>49388227

I'd say it's pretty cool now because it's a historical event.

Most people I've seen throw a fit about GW elucidating on the HH are the same types that throw a fit about the lore moving a tiny bit forward. They don't like that now material exists to blatantly tell them that their headcanon is wrong and worthless because they don't control 40k. They were dumb and/or arrogant enough to believe the lie that their ideas about what happened actually had merit to anyone besides themselves and now rage when GW is no longer keeping up the charade.

>>49393072

The person who supposedly has the November issue of WD has also said it's not Bjorn.

>>49396015
>they want to pander and not deal with fans coming up to them and screaming in their face

And how did that work out?

Seriously, Pius fluff was almost 30 years old and has been retconned a thousand times. People have gotten over it ages ago. Going back to it and just fucking it up and tying it into this whole new world of no shamans and Chaos worshiping Emperor is just rubbing it in more than anything.

>their headcanon is wrong and worthless

How is it headcanon when it's literally what official publications have said about things? If you can dig up quotes from GW publications related to HH and can show how things have been retconned, how is that headcanon? Is all 40k fluff just headcanon?

Or am I not getting IP and market appeal?

>>49381002

Despite all the rage, looks like a pretty good issue to me. I'll gladly take a new lord for total warhammies

>>49386330
Yeah I must be blind because the tempestus now look much better than stormtroopers/kasarkins of old imo

>>49396204

>People have gotten over it ages ago

I'd say that this thread and the people still not knowing that Pius was retconned out as early as The Lost and the Damned suggests otherwise.

Honestly other than pandering or someone thinking that Pius was really cool I have absolutely no idea why they bought him back. It has seemingly done nothing more than backfire considering to have Pius presence make sense they had to give him certain knowledge.

>tying it into this whole new world of no shamans and Chaos worshiping Emperor is just rubbing it in more than anything.

Nothing new has been said about the Emperor's origins and the Emperor never worshiped the Chaos gods, he went to Molech and hoodwinked them into thinking he'd conquer the galaxy in their name if they gave him what he wanted.

>How is it headcanon when it's literally what official publications have said about things?

I'm talking about when people complain about the HH or aspects of 40k being gone into detail. Before you could say that you thought that maybe Angron was like this or something in the Heresy happened like that, but now that they've published ookabooka novels and audio dramas and FW is on to their sixth book, it's easy for someone to say "No, you're wrong and here's a source saying why."

They're pissed beyond belief that what they think really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, it irks them that for all they think and write someone can just piss all over it by saying "Well, GW says this. :^)".

Like I said, these people are either exceedingly dumb and/or exceedingly arrogant if they thought their ideas truly mattered to GW.

Basically they've woken up to and are raging against the idea that they have very minimal control over what GW does. They can't force GW not to write something, can't force them not to make a model, and can't force them not to change or to change this rule or that rule.

>>49387039
I thought Russ was a confirmed plastic primarch? From what I've heard he's in the lineup to return to 40k along with daemon Magnus

>>49397697
>confirmed plastic
There's nothing been confirmed about any plastic primarchs though.

But you haven't seen the Open Day pics of Russ though?

>>49388860
>>49388871
>>49388979

None of this really supports the argument that suits supposedly tell the sculptors what exactly to make, at most it says that as far as Priestly knows the focus on games and so called practical models wasn't as important.

>>49397786

There were some rumblings from FW sculptors that seemed to indicate they weren't going to be touching the Daemon Primarchs because they'd be better suited to plastic or something like that, would fit in with what is currently going on in 40k.

>>49388698

So much this

>>49381002
>GENERICS

Because battle of calth had no generics and the minis could only be used for ultra marines and word bearers, right?

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>>49387285
The Wulfen genes and the fact that their initiates are trained not to scout and stay hidden but to charge at whatever's in front of them until they get there is the reason Space Wolves are so few in (relative) numbers.
The fact it takes each Space Wolf centuries of service to notice the value of stealth and long range weaponry is what keeps their numbers low.

>>49400812
Yeah, the Canis Helix has the potential to outright kill the aspirant at an early stage.

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>>49396971
>I'd say that this thread and the people still not knowing that Pius was retconned out as early as The Lost and the Damned suggests otherwise.

And people who don't even know who Pius is suggests otherwise.

>Nothing new has been said about the Emperor's origins

Except apparently his mother was Persian or at least had a Persian ring, which means she either lived for thousands of years or the Emperor was born in Persia and not in Central Anatolia in 8000 B.C. He's not the only immortal from those times. He wasn't that hot shit since he had to steal his power from Chaos.

>Emperor never worshiped the Chaos gods

Pic related.

But in all fairness, why would the dark gods give him their power if he didn't prove to them somehow he was worthy of it? Think about it this way: If I made a marine chapter that was all powered by the dark gods, but really guys, they're just using Chaos to further the goals of the Imperium and are the good guys. Who would go "well, they're totally not Chaos space marine then"?

>Basically they've woken up to and are raging against the idea that they have very minimal control over what GW does.

Who are these strawmen? Maybe people are not liking the fact that GW is just flushing down decades of fluff for no other reason than market appeal and IP?

If GW doesn't care, why should anyone else? If they can ignore decades of fluff, what makes you think they'll stick to this new setting and won't just ignore everything in the future and retcon events to suit whatever they're pushing then?

>>49385989
Can confirm. Unless anon is talking about the sisters of battle, in which case they are going last chance to buy in q2 of next year.

>>49401985
Out with the old sisters in with the new. Well SoS are older than SoB but you know what I mean.

>>49402005
Even if they did a whole range for SoS (which they won't), they wouldn't be usablein 40k would they?

>>49402027
Nope. But that doesn't change the fact that Batlle Sisters will be taking the place of Admech for title of major imperial faction existing in fluff without an army range. I was a little pissed when I found out, but not really surprised.

>>49402120
And as far as I know sisters of silence are only getting one box and two clampacks

>>49381002
Hey, OP. Can you upload all the Minis and stuff? I'm a Poor-fag and I want this.

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>>49402141
Its never too soon to burn prospero.

>>49402141
Pretty sure that's the only leak we had.

>>49402141
Come back mid-October, I doubt we'll see anything more of this until then.