MtG Kaladesh Spoiler Discussion

>>49360466
Fuck you planar outburst basically
That's a pretty great wipe

>>49360576
Late game Top Deck PlanarOutburst can win games anon.

This just stabilizes a bit better and thats it. You are still getting nowhere.

>>49360598
For some reason I had it in my head Planar was 6 CMC, I really need to play more

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>Fabricate 3 (When this creature enters the battlefield, put three +1/+1 counters on it or create three 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.)

>Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to ~'s power.

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>Whenever an artifact or artificer enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay 1. If you do, you get EE.

>Pay EEEEEE , sacrifice ~: Draw three cards.

>>49361125
I'm just waiting for a red card with "pay REEEEE" on it purely for the memes

>>49361082
Actual artifacts or artifact creatures specifically? Does this work on unpiloted vehicles when they get destroyed?

>>49361145
How about a red 1-drop that gives you the option to pay any amount of E to copy it X times?

>>49361190
Actual artifacts due to the lack of "dies." Note that it works with clues.

>>49361198
Only if it is an energy fireball

>>49361215
Sadly, all of the 'benefits for artifacts going in graveyard' cards don't belong to the actual clue colors.

>>49360576
GREMLIN LIVES MATTER

>>49361240
Energy Fireball or Energy Bolt, both are roughly the same thing. One deals X damage where X is the amount of Energy paid when you cast it, the other deals 3 damage copied X times.

>>49361190
Actual artifacts. The damage isn't base on the artifacts power,
it's based on Master of Marionettes power.
>>49361215
"Dies" technically isn't creature specific.
Though in all fairness, it's rarely used outside of that context.

>Note that it works with clues.
It also works with all the Servos floating around.
Including it's own, if you're willing to deal less damage for an extra procs.
(Might be worth while if you have some other way to buff them.)

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>>49361082
>>49361215
>>49361190
Honestly, the Reckless Fireweaver common is better for this.

>>49361314
>A 4 mana board wipe
>In a set about shitting about as many 1/1s as possible

>>49360837
You're probably thinking Descend Upon the Sinful. Similar to Planar Outburst lategame, probably better in some decks.

>>49361314
Don't post fakes if you're not being explicit about it, they create confusion.

>>49361314
Bumping up to 4xSelfless Spirit once that piece of shit rotates out. God I can't wait.

>>49361464
like theres any chance at all that languish would be reprinted so soon, you'd have to be and idiot to mistake it for real. I thought i was being explicit

>>49361093

>man-o-war
>fucking splashable fiend hunter

shame the art sucks

>>49361093
Wizards sure do love that Oblivion Ring/Fiend Hunter effect.

>>49361492
>man-o-war
he's a 1/3, not a 2/2

>>49361514
You mean Banishing Light/Banisher Priest effect.

>>49361489
It's not a good habit to get into.

I could tell but it could also have been interpreted as reposting an image that you had seen elsewhere.

>>49361535

same cmc, both easily spashable, both remove a creature

is it such a big deal that the p/t is just distributed differently?

>>49361070
God fucking dammit. Coppying spells is reds color pie. This is not ok. I mean, this is so overcosted it dosen't really matter, but the principle of the thing.

Also, that costing. Slightly less color dependent, but like... cryptic command shits all over this. At 4 it should be counter AND do something. Or just preface the choice with "draw a card."

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God, i'm gonna get two playsets of these

>>49361554
if you're going to use it as a descriptor, yes. man-o-war is a gray ogre with an etb. also 2 power vs 3 toughness is a real difference

>>49361514
Not quite the same, cant sac it on the stack.

>>49361558
>zombify is on record too good for reanimation
>zombify an artifact is fine though
we all know wotc's fucking retarded, but normally they try not to just be horribly blatant about it.

>>49361093
Hey, he actually looks like a dwarf.

>>49361557
Cryptic is meant to shit on this.

Anything that interferes with Midrange: The Grindering is too strong for magic.

>>49361557
copying spells is ur hybrid as far as where it falls on the pie, quit being such a baby. also
>cryptic is the baseline of power and not above the curve at 4 mana
get a load of this guy

>>49361070
I'd love this card if it was 1UR

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No standard thread so fuck it

>>49361107
card seems very strong in limited

>>49360466
now its time to say GOOODBYYYEEE GREM-MANS.

OH GOOODBYEE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgqiSBxvdws

>>49362184
SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT GREMLINS!

Rick Sanchez Aetherborn when?

>>49361107
>protoss in mtg
When did this happen?

We need an Energy themed Soul of Kaldesh

>>49362375
they're not really anything related to protos beyond the very superficial, but in answer to your question, just recently because kaladesh has no vampires or zombies

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>>49362390
I think I know what you mean.

>>49362022
why do people want to play eggs in standard so much I dont understand

>>49362489
Because i hate standard.

>>49362022
>all that energy and no means to use it

>>49361107
A more vanilla Falkenrath Aristocrat, nice

>>49361984
>Instead of doing strictly better cards, let's do strictly worse

Thank god you don't design this game

>>49361070
This card is fucking amazing, and if you can't see the value from it you need better card evaluation skills.

>>49362486
It's close, but here's what I was thinking

>Soul of Kaladesh (UUURRR)

>Creature - Avatar

>When ~ enters the battlefield you get EEE.

>EEEEE: Untap all other permanents you control.

>EEEEE, Sacrifice ~: Untap all other permanents you control.

>6/6

>>49362522
Anything i add would just make the deck less consistent. Its bothering me too. But i need the lifegain from that one.

What should I take to standard tonight?

Bant Coco? Bant humans? Bant spirits? UW spirits? BR burn?

>>49361631
are there reliable ways to get non-creature artifacts into your GY?

>>49362756
Doesn't reanimator typically have to use discard effects in standard? Not every format has access to an entomb variant, and the issue ive heard is that reanimation spells themselves are generally not good not because there aren't fatties to reanimation. It also doesn't have to be non-creature. You can play Gearhulks or that Colossus. Red got that super Tormenting Voice as well as regular Tormenting Voice in standard as well as other stuff like Smuggler's Copter.

>>49362756
the new double discard tormenting voice or tormenting voice itself

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Obligatory:

>MUH CONTROL IS DEAD, YOU SHITTERS DON'T EVEN PLAY A REAL MAGIC. THE GAME IS RUINED BECAUSE I CAN'T COUNTER EVERYTHING AND REV FOR 15

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>>49362756

>>49363013
>tfw love makes you stronger than voices in your head

>>49363002
>pointless archetype fights
>doesn't play and enjoy them all

I bet you don't even draft.

>>49363002
>being so fucking mad he has to carry an argument he gave up on to a new thread in the hopes that the people he was arguing against aren't here to argue against him

W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
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>>49363023
deepest lore

>>49363013
Chandra really should find herself a plane that receives sunlight.

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>>49362375
For some reason they got an new type instead of being non-artifact Constructs or some shit. Also Servo and Pilot, because type bloat is cool.
Fluff wise they're "naturally" animated pollution and industrial waste. They run the techno-mafia and have extremely short lifespans.

>>49363048
First she needs to find a plane that invented sunscreen.

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>>49363023

Odd, but true.

>>49360466

GAS THE GREMLINS
RACE WAR NOW

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>>49362756
At least this one is the same color as the white zombify.

>>49363013
>why this whitey chick suddenly hugged me?
>did she think i'm a lesbian?

>>49363060
She's a pyromancer; she can deal with burning.

>>49363058
Pilot serves a functional purpose. Don't know why they had Servos instead of just Constructs or something though. I kind of get why they didn't make Aetherborn Constructs or Elementals or Golems or whatever. At least they aren't as obviously detracting from an existing tribe as Naga.

>>49363095
You have your answer then. She's immune to sunburns.

>>49363090
Hey, neat, another card to try in Bruna.

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>>49363048
Isn't it canon common knowledge that her spark grants her extreme resistance to heat and radiation exposure to complement her pyromancy?
This easily explains her pale appearance in comparison to her non-walker/pyromancer parents.

>>49363138
Heat from fire isn't really the same kind of thing as sunlight. And I don't know if they've ever explained how she has fire resistance. We just kind of buy it.

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>>49363096
The naga creature type bugs the hell out of me.

>>49363116
She's a not!Indian pyrobitch from Steampunk Bollywood, she isn't supposed to look like Red from Transistor.

Then again, Chandra's appearance has never been consistent.

>>49363048
She's magically immune to fire and heat. I'm just assuming that means she can't get a tan either.

>>49363149
Fire resistance is a basic need for pyromancers or else she's going to need a lot of burn salve every time she does that flaming hand thingie.

>>49363138
Or maybe the designers want her face to stand out more against the reds and browns

>>49361558
what's the best target boys

>>49362555
>power creep is good design
same for you friendo.

>>49363198
A gearhulk for G R I N D V A L U E or that 10/10 if you can dump it in the yard early

>>49361557

Mother fucker cryptic Command is 3 blue which isn't "slightly more color dependant " it's a lot more color dependant

Furthermore copying spells has always been a U and a R ability so idk wtf you're bitching about

This card is guaranteed to see play in the inevitable U/W control deck that's going to top 8 the pro tour screen cap this and the inevitable naysayers so I can taste there tears when it happens

>>49363168
It's a fantasy character. Technically that's true but I'm pretty sure they've never actually explained WHY she's immune. As I said, we just kind of buy it because yeah you'd have to be immune to it and it's not really the kind of thing that drags you out of the world they built.

>>49362555
>strictly worse

You have no idea what that means do you?

>>49363212
Which Gearhulk? Do we just play the red and white ones?

>>49363218
>UW control in the top 8

I hope you're right

>>49363234
You can play any of them. but the black probably makes the biggest swing on turn 4 besides the red one which has some synergy with animator as a strategy as well.

>>49361070
I wish this was one mana cheaper but with some other form of drawback.

>>49363234
red seems pretty fucking good if we're going to do artifact reanimator. take damage to the face and give me more reanimation targets or give me fuel for the discard outlets i'm already playing.

>>49363261
That would be a good spell anon.

>>49363261
I think standard plays summary dismissal so the cost looks bad but it'll probably suffice. it's no cryptic command but not a lot is.

>>49363262
CAN I PLAY BEDLAM REVELER?

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>>49363096
>Pilot serves a functional purpose.
What? Vehicle support? They aren't even consistently "vehicles matter".
Besides, we've had thematic pilot in almost every set, usually as Soldiers or Warriors.

>R/W Reanimator

Cute little deck, too bad it'll be B/R Vampires all over again when your reanimation gets countered, exiled or bounced

>>49363092
...mate they're mother and daughter

>>49363234
They're all good from the perspective of reanimating them for extra value. I'd say green or black tie into the value grind midrange deck that the reanimate would be played in the best.

>>49363296
Pilot is meant to indicate synergy with vehicles. It doesn't necessarily have to mention vehicles to have synergy with them.

>>49363296
Why are you so upset about them making new tribes? Tribes are shit anyways.

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>>49363294
Only if you call it Red Ancestral Goyf Recall.

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>>49363346

If we're continuing along the trend of discarding fat fatties

You could throw in Nahiri herself too

>>49363346
we're playing it to get stuff in the grave, and also to wombo people with the Red Gundam

>>49363138
>heat resistant
>can't get a tan
DEEPEST LORE

>>49363307
that doesn't dispel the implication and you know it

>>49363296
pilot serves the same purpose as ability words or keywords like devoid, they give a collection of cards a common term for discussion, putting it in the type line makes it not take up text box real estate. that was one of the perks of tribal, it just had too much other baggage to keep up.

>>49363138
>dark people are born white and get dark because they tan.

I refuse.

>>49363304
there's nothing slready in standard worth getting with refurbish, and the only other reanimation available are the 7 mana rebound spell and landfall angel. it's not enough of a deck to actually go anywhere. br vampires could at least do the thing consistently, the thing just wasn't very competitive.

aetherborns have no game having their own type.
Servos kind of want it because W G love pumping a lot of 1/1 and type is a safely designed way to do it, but calling them myr or constructs or thopters, anything.

in general i hate just adding more and more types to the game, but i definitely like pilot.

>>49363218
Not with what we've seen so far.

Azorius Charm was doing a LOT of work.

>>49363451
myr are mirrodin only and thopters are supposed to have flying

>>49363435
just because kalaesh is thematically based on india doesn't mean it is racially homogenous. Innistrad was based on eastern european myth but had residents of a variety of races.

>>49363451
servos are there because they needed to separate their 1/1 and X/X tokens. they could have done golems, but i guess they wanted to sound more tech and less magi in their typing. aetherborn makes perfect sense as its own type, construct has consistently been used to denote something physically constructed, even if you made a non-artifact construct, the aetherborn are a natural phenomenon, not a hand-built race. elemental or avatar might've worked, but both of those types are so muddy that using either for the marque race in one color is asking for trouble (see: lorwyn where elemental was the red tribe AND the 5 color tribe) i'd rather aetherborn be their own thing instead of radically reimagined vampires or something retarded like that.

>>49363523
at pax didn't they say kaladesh was colonial india minus the colonialism? i.e. heterogenous racially without all the bad feels of two cultures butting heads

>>49363523
So racially inhomogeneous, in fact, that a daughter may not look like her parents. They specifically made Chandra more pale than usual for this card too, which doesn't even begin to make sense.

>>49363542
>servos are there because they needed to separate their 1/1 and X/X tokens
Huh. You're right. Okay. I can accept that. Not him but I didn't like Servo either for the same reason, and Golem doesn't seem correct for little mass produced 1/1 critters.

>>49363218
>U/W control

with fucking what?

>>49363580
i think that's the artist being a bit if a tard. he's drawn white people that look like they actually have blood, chandra's skin tone in that is the same he used for ghostly posession and his unblemished angel waifu.

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>>49363580
well her dad was pretty pale. plus she has been on innistrad.

>>49363576
Yep. this is how they married chandra having an indian name while having a steam punk aesthetic and the general desire for magic to have steam punk world. They wanted do colonial India since that brings to mind victorian Britain but they obviously didn't want to incite potential drama with the concept of actual colonialism.

>>49361631
You read that wrong.
Zombify is too good for Standard black. Standard white and green can do whatever the fuck they want.

>>49363647
And that's how Chandra is left with having a steampunk outfit that looks totally out of place in the aetherpunk setting of her home plane.

>>49363602
they could have made 1/1 constructs and x/x golems.

>>49363656
You know Chandra is a planeswalker right? In fact I think she specifically got her current gauntlet (well, she has a new one on Torch of Defiance) from the Izzet in Ravnica. I don't think her outfit is otherwise especially steam-punky besides her goggles which don't necessarily look out of place.

>>49363687
>>49363656
Also it's not creative's fault they gave a red headed white woman an indian name and a mostly generic outfit.

>>49363687
That's Jaya's goggles.

I-is red finally good?

Should I run Jeskai or Grixis? Reanimator seems fun, but I really want that Saheeli Rai abilities in there.

>>49363669
I can't picture Tezzeret making golems, and since the other person who makes x/x constructs is a lifecrafter it feels like it's more correct for it to be more animal like which doesn't feel golem either. I think servo is fine given the circumstances.

>>49363687
i don't think she has ever meaningfully interacted with the izzet before she started staying at jace's place. the gauntlet either came from her pyromancer monestary (they keep goggles as a holy relic, so not outrageous) or uncited planar adventure #23

>>49363656
>>49363687
>>49363710
Also it's not creative's fault that sjws invade this game several years later.

>>49363718
No they aren't. Jaya's goggles are on display at Keral keep (Those are the goggles on Pyromancer's Goggles, not Chandra's). She just coincidentally also had goggles like Jaya.

>>49363722
red has always been good. it is maybe the most consistently powered color.

>>49363731
No, it's definitely from the Izzet. The last time it was referenced I recall is DOTP14.

>>49363718
no they're not, jaya's goggles are a holy relic in the monestary chandra grew up in, chandra's goggles are just goggles, reminiscent if her father's because wotc's writing team couldn't be arsed to make them an actual momento of her father because they're all a bunch of hacks.

>>49363762
>duels 2014
>definitely izzet
I don't see the connection?

>>49363749
Funny joke anon. People will tell you that Blue is the most consistently powered color but historically it's been Black.

>>49363827
blue gets very little support anymore. I'll believe black, but every standard there has been some consistently powerful version of mono-red.

>>49362580
Shouldn't it be exile from the graveyard instead of sacrifice to fit in with the others?

>>49363804
Chandra is the protag of DOTP14. When you go to Ravnica in the game she mentions she got her pyro gauntlet from the Izzet there. It would just be the suggested uncited planar adventure #23.

>>49363090
Why is this not a spellshaper? That's literally what it is.

>>49363912
People didn't like Spellshapers so they don't bother with the type anymore.

>>49363296
>A couple pilots are as white as Chandra
>People don't let it go on either side because they have agendas to push.

>>49363945
Also has a tumblr haircut
THEY CAN'T KEEPGETTING AWAY WITH THIS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49363435
If there can be kenyans in Innistrad there can be Irish in Kaladesh.

>>49363912
but spellshapers are literally just wizards.

>>49363954
No way your deck is generating that much energy.

Is the full spoiler tomorrow or is it on Monday?

>>49363687
Weren't her goggles based off of Jaya's? In-universe I mean?

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>>49363629
According to Pia in the latest UR, Chandra is taller than Kiran now.

Damn. That's a tall woman.

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>>49363013
>chasm
>collapsed

>>49360466
>card depicting gassing the (not) jew gremlins

My
Fucking
Sides

>>49364101
No. There's no real explanation or anything about where her goggles come from. It's just how she dresses. And we know now she has an affinity for goggles because she comes from steampunk world.

>>49363233
You are right.
that card is far worse than cryptic command

>>49364173
Her goggles can't be from a steampunk world.
Because they actually do something.

>>49364219
B)

>>49364102
>Tall
>Redheaded
>Qt3.14
Why is Chandra so great.

>>49364173
Seeing as how she was trained at a monastery worshiping Jaya, and many people at the monastery saw her as Jaya's reincarnation, and apparently "monk" would be Chandra's creature type now, I don't doubt that's where the goggles came from.

>>49364243
Possibly. All I'm saying is it's never been said where she got them.

>>49364097
Should be tomorrow.

>>49361082
Two people argued that this card wasn't reasonably costed, because it is a 6 mana 4/6 with no protection. They kept comparing it to the incredibly powerful Disciple of the Vault.

I don't get it. Isn't saying it has no protection literally just saying it dies to removal? Especially since you can maintain priority after it hits play to kil... oh wait, it checks power on resolution.

Alright, you got me, it folds to instant speed removal and that's super shit for 6 mana. Is there good instant speed removal?

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>>49364243
I don't know. She's just so...perfect. When she's not being written like an ADHD 12 year old, anyway.

I mean, don't get me wrong, she definitely has at least SOME adhd. But it's not so severe that she's practically braindamaged (like that article a few weeks portrayed her as.)

>>49363912
Spellshapers mimic existing spells.

>>49364495
Just ignore all that crap about dying to removal and shit. Everything dies to removal.

The phrase "dies to removal" SHOULD imply, "it just dies to 1 for 1 removal". That means, "the creature only nets you one card (itself) if your opponent kills it".

This applies to large creatures. If you're casting a big fat creature like that, you're going to need to demand more than one card out of it. Because by the time you're casting it, the aggressive decks are going to almost certainly have board position on you and you need your 4+ mana cards to get you more than one card to face the opponent's threat. Look at the Black Gearhulk, no matter what, that thing is going to net you at least two cards from your opponent - one from the creature it kills and at least one from the spells/creatures they use to kill it.

So this big fat Disciple of the Vault. It could possibly be a 4-card card. It gets you the body and 3 1/1s. It's going to gum up the ground. And personally, I don't think that's good enough. It's ability is not good enough. It's going to let you stabilize for one turn as your guys chump but has no defense against aggressive flying assholes which are everywhere right now. Given the choice between the Black Gearhulk and this card I will always want the Gearhulk and I'm certainly not going to play both because no curve on the planet can support it.

>>49364495
last known information

>>49364608
Wouldn't you just sac all your artifacts turn 6? Either they have instant speed removal or they die because they took 16 damage.

I don't get why the assumption is that this is all you have. 4 artifacts to sac isn't an absurd requirement, as far as I know. It doesn't scream win more.

I'm not slotting this okay rare into Modern affinity or Vintage Shops, where it needs to be 0-1 mana or an artifact to get the absurd discount. I'm just saying it is reasonably costed given its effect. It could not have been a 4 mana card.

>>49361070
People who think this is bad are literally retarded.
This is probably one of the best blue spells in standard at the moment. (Not saying much, but it's something.) At worst you go one for one with the counter spell. At best you're getting a two for one by redirecting a murder or an anguished unmaking or copying your wincon.

This card is fucking great.

>>49361107
Definitely putting this in the module deck

>>49364664
Standard doesn't have a sac outlet like that.

>>49364664
they still die even if they have instant speed removal, unless it's a -/- effect.

>>49363149
>Heat from fire isn't really the same kind of thing as sunlight.
They're both infrared radiation.

>>49363234
RW Gearhulks, Metal colossus, Refab

Put in some shit to put stuff from your hand on your library and you can practically guarantee hitting red gearhulks and forcing them to let you draw 3 lest you obliterate them

>>49364664
I've been talking about Standard.

I could be wrong but I don't see some sort of free artifact sacrifice outlet that just lets you combo a player out with this card. If that card existed, I would be saying something else.

What I'm saying is that every card must be evaluated mostly on the basis that you're losing. And every card you cast needs to get you back into the game. And this card more often than not does not do this. Yes, it does not scream win-more, but it IS a win-more card. If you have board position when you cast this thing, obviously you're doing fine but that situation almost does not matter in card evaluation. Having 2-3 artifacts to sac IS a ridiculous proposition as each artifact probably represents a card, which means you have 2-3 cards on board when you cast this. And if you don't you need 2-3 cards cast AFTER you cast this thing to make it relevant.

Gearhulk, as I argue, is awesome at all times. It is win-more, gets you back into the game, and nets you probably 3 cards - the kill, the creature, and the life probably gives you an entire turn.

Sure, maybe the card is good in the future. And you'll feel good about being right. But right now, using basic principles that have been true since forever, you are wrong and I am right.

>>49363361
That'd actually be great in standard, nahiri's wrath is some of the best removal in rotation

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>>49364730
>>49364609
Thanks.

>>49364708
Fair enough. Only one I've found so far is the green Eldrazi-fier. And that requires artifact creatures. Maybe they'll spoil a decent sac outlet for noncreature artifacts.

You could Tamiyo's journal with tracker. That might be win more though.

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>>49364778
Isn't this what you're looking for?

>>49364778
Standard doesn't generally get free sac outlets like that anymore specifically because of how problematic they could be in the past. The best you'll get are effects like Syndicate Trafficker.

>>49364771
I'm just spitballing. I'll admit, gear hulk is better in most decks. It is a mythic after all.

But I don't thinking having lots of artifact tokens is necessarily a game winning position or an impossible feat. Nor do I think that the other mode (though very poor, I'll admit), is completely irrelevant in dire straits.

But you are making sense and you aren't talking down to me, so I appreciate your even handedness.

So why exactly is vendurous gearhulk the cheapest invention right now? he seems better than the red, black and blue gearhulk.

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>>49364815
Not quite good enough from what I can tell. Ah well.

>>49364827
Fair. The ones that require only a tap like the green Eldrazi dude or Journal are looking like our best options. This card lets you sac for free, willy nilly, except for the whole being trash and needing delirium. Ah well.

Someone else could maybe make a fun GB artifacts jank deck with Ishkanah.

>>49364675
Do you have enough mana open to play a 4-mana counterspell or Swerve?

Timmy doesn't like his big dramatic effects getting countered or redirected. Timmy doesn't like his creatures being killed. Timmy doesn't like having to think about any more than tapping out and swinging. Timmy is Wizards' favorite child. Fuck Timmy with the pointy end of a rake, he's the reason we get shitty burn and Cancel-with-upside while green gets to play 2-mana 5/5s in the late game.

>>49364909
Dont worry they will all be $5 in a few months when 0 gearhulks see any play at a gp

>>49364909
Because red, white, and black are actually good with that 3W artifact re-animator card.
There is a tormenting voice+1 to pitch any gearhulks in hand and draw 3 to dig into getting the re-animator.
RW WB RBw artifact reanimator is probably going to be an incredibly good deck. Even if it's not T1 looks like it will be fun to play.

>>49363361
Oh man, Boros Refurbish/Madcap Experiment/Nahiri supplemented by tormenting voice and board control spells.

>>49364990
Timmy is the one that will ensure WotC and Hasbro get the green papers.

If Timmy dont like MtG, green papers wont come in, and Hasbro dont like it when a product doesnt give them the green papers.

>>49365107
I do want people to understand that super pushed cards aren't inherently Timmy just by virtue of being creatures.

>>49360466
#GassingTheLongNosedSneakySabotuers

They just spoiled another draft uncommon. 2/1 with Fabricate 2 for 2WW.

I dunno why but compared to Alara most stuff seems blant to me. I hope that if we ever return there it won't be a disaster like battle for zendikar.

Kaladesh seems nice so far tho, I like the idea of inventions and stuff.

>>49365170
i said id probably play all the kaladesh dwarves in depala because at least the draft chaff will be efficient dudes if nothing else. this is really pushing it.

>>49364095
I have a very nasal laugh.
This blew my nose.

>>49365150
Saboteur implies deliberate, malicious action, doesn't it? So far as I can tell gremlins on Kaladesh seem to be mere animals whose favored food just happens to be integral to their modern technology.

>>49364778
>And that requires artifact creatures
Thankfully, it hits your shitstorm of servos and vehicles.

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I really hope you guys already have your playsets ready before the price skyrockets.

Its going to be CoCo levels of bullshit

>>49360466
if vehicles, man-lands, and gideon make boardwipes bad, thats not a problem because blessed alliance is pretty great when youre not hitting tokens with it

>>49365406
Stop shilling, it'll be shit.

>>49364990
>Do you have enough mana open to play a 4-mana counterspell or Swerve?

In standard, sure.

Red is dead
CoCo is rotating
White weenie isn't getting online until at least turn three or four
Nigga we have people literally hard casting emrakul in standard
We have games where you have emrakul being cast five turns in a row.

Not saying this will be a four of in every blue deck, but people will run this.

>>49365438
>red is dead
>implying a 3/3 haste for 3, 4/4 haste for 3, and that new chandra aren't playable enough to make a red, maybe splashing white, aggro deck possible.

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>>49365490
Oh hai

>>49364199
In general, yes, but it is not strictly worse. If redirecting a spell gets you the win like a counter wouldn't then it is better.

>>49365432
Holy shit, you can crew with Gideon.

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>>49365547
>splashing white
oh bai

>>49365593
the set of circumstances where it would be better to crew with gideon over making a homie and crewing that or just swinging gideon himself are slim.

>>49365610
Why not the 10/7 with crew 5?

>>49365593
>pay 4 mana
>turn needle spires into a creature
>tap needle spires and put a motherfucking mountain in a motherfucking podracer
>noot noot motherfucker
This set is not fun at all

>>49361558

Let's get some...

>grim flayers
>perpetual timepiece (the one that mills you and shuffles specific cards back
>mana dorks
>literally any of the gearhulks (maybe not torrential or the red one, even though I love both of them)
>undemolishing rites (refurbish)

And hellooooo turn four gearhulk in standard.

>>49365595
>playing aggro
>keeping that in your opening hand
tgisbadatmagic.meme

How is delerium looking with this set? I got 2 Ishkanahs,but I have no idea ofwhat to use them on

>>49362375
You must destroy additional pylons.

>>49365629
crew 5 is way too high for constructed my man. In an even game you paid 6 mana for stone cold nothing way too often for my comfort

>>49365674
>Grim Flayer
>Perpetual Time piece
Are you fucking with me right now. Thats not how you reanimator. Go to the corner and think about you said.

>>49365675
Obviously not. You keep it in the sideboard, then keep it in the opener once you know the opponent has this card.

Give me an energy mox please

>>49364608
Dies to removal is relevant in this case because it's meant to be a bomb.
Dorks can die to removal, fodder can die to removal, your bomb dying to removal without impacting the boardstate is not acceptable. That's why the titans turned Baneslayer Angel from the best standard creature ever into a worthless mana sink.

>>49365675
if youre sideboarding it in and you know that enchantment is a possibility why wouldnt you keep it in your opener?

>>49363346
I freaking love this card. IF you put it in the right deck, it actually says

>choose one:
>destroy target creature
>draw a card

>>49364664
You don't just need 4 artifacts, you need 4 artifacts and 10 mana at least because this guy >>49361107 is the cheapest artifact sac engine in standard.

>>49365731
Too high power for standard :^)

>>49365769
No it isn't. You can either burn with the exiled card or hold onto the exiled card so you can cast it. Way weaker than draw, and you can only do one, no both.

>>49363722

It was always GOOD, now it's just that bant is worse.

>>49363687
>You know Chandra's a planeswalker, right?

This fucking guy

>most of the things getting spoiled are always rares and mythic rares
>you want to actually see more commons and uncommons
>being a Draft player is suffering

So, guys, Mardu Reanimator?

Engines: Cathartic Reunion, Tormenting Voice, Nahiri's Wrath, Nahiri herself

Ever After reanimates two gearhulks
Refurbish also

Removal > pitch fatties > reanimate fatties for value > rinse & repeat.

>>49365774
Can't wait to see what 2/3 for 2 with crazy upside we will have this set

>>49365848
>2/3s for 2
No, no, they're 2/3s for 3 that lock down your board state, because that's fun and interactive, but burn and control aren't!

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>>49365547
So, red can't splash green and still be mono red? HAS ALEX TAUGHT YOU NOTHING?

>>49365719
So, maybe that one XB sorcery from shadows? Those cards were at the top of my head, so yeah, they are not the best choices at all.

>>49365877
Red = mono red
Gruul = mono red
Naya = mono red

>>49365916
You play typically play discard in reanimator. You should be looking at cards like the new Cathartic Reunion.

How does reanimator work, anyway? I've never really played that deck type.

>Fabricate 2 (When this creature enters the battlefield, put two +1/+1 counters on it or create two 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.
>put two +1/+1 counters on it or create two 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.
>or
>OR
>FUCKING OR

FUCK YOU. I thought it was decent but then I realized I couldn't mix and match. I cant create one token and put one counter on the main body. FUCK.

Welp that ability is ruined and useless to me.

>>49365917
>Gruul = mono red

Well that's mostly true in Modern. Isn't green only splashed for Atarka's Command and a sideboard card?

>>49365793
>and you can only do one, no both.

I'm 99% certain I said "choose one."

I'm also aware that this card might flop at times (a lot), so that's why I also said "IF" in all caps.

>>49365833
Can't see why they would waste time spoiling cards showcasing the set over garbage commons and uncommons

>>49361070
They should of made it UUU.

still waiting for card with an activated ability with a cost of REEEEEE

>>49365944
The ability is still pretty good for a mostly limited oriented mechanic. This is much better than typical +1/+1 counter chaff. Probably the best since RTR's.

>>49365965
>not playing with the whole set and instead going for that single bait card with the gold or red symbol

>>49365933
Right, that makes sense now.

I use unburial rites in a crappy tier-5 modern deck, so I forgot that you can't refurbish from the bin.

>>49365833
I know that feel brah, watching Draft videos been giving me that itch

>>49365946
Command and destructive revelry

>>49365995
you cant quickly and elegantly advertise a whole set at once ya dingus. its a million times easier to leak them out a rare and a mythic at a time, with an uncommon cycle for well-known drafters

>>49365978
The problem is the main bodies are all absolute shit. Its literally just saying

>Make this creature barely on curve or get a number of 1/1 fliers and hope you ping them to death

Like I could understand it if the trade off was Getting an exactly on curve or better P/T creature or creating fliers but its not. You get a slightly below curve creature or some fliers.

>>49365965
>show op mythics and rares
>the hype is real
>sneak in 90% 30c rares and mythics while people are boarding the hype train
>people buy boxes and pack because all aboard
>make $30 back on a box and no orange border
>repeat

>>49365973
I agree.
>but muh Limited!

>>49366052
Fucking retarded argument. The answer is to just bring the power level of limited up not bring everything else down.

>>49366035
Yes, as I said, it's a limited mechanic. Counter mechanics tend to be because they allow you to smooth out bad creatures you have to play in limited, offer flexibility, or can break board stalls, among other reasons off the top of my head. This is another one in a line of those. No, the ability isn't that great. It would be only marginally better if you could choose to split really. But it's not meant to be. There will be a few constructed pushed Fabricate cards like that angel but that's generally speaking not what the mechanic is for. This is better than most because the counters can be translated to value in the form of tokens (they don't fly by the way, they make servos not thopters, it was probably a lot easier to balance that way) and has neat flavor.

>>49361082
nice drop this and then sack your lupine prototype pilots and cars to a nantuko husk type critter

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>>49365973
Mono-colored/basic-themed set when!?

>>49366089
printing a cheap counterspell would help blue, and that is something wizards has no intention of doing.

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CHOO CHOO!

>>49366112
ALL ABOARD THE JUGGERNAUT TRAIN

>>49366112
Into the Vehicle Aggro deck it goes.

>>49366112
I was waiting for the train.
>Train only needs two people to crew it

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TRAINS

WITH MENACE

>>49366144
Two 1-power creatures or a 2-power-or-higher creature.

Yes, this train's optimal driver is in fact a bear.

>>49366164
MORE TRAINS

>>49366112
T3 train, T4 Gideon, make a crewable dude for the train, T5 boardwipe if needed

>>49366164
Imagine two creatures in real life jumping in front of that train. Magic is fucking brutal.

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cryptolith bait

>>49366112
>>49366136
This shit curves perfectly into Speedway Fanatic.
T1 Toolshaper Paradigm/Artificer's Apprentice/Bomat Courtier
T2 Speedway Fanatic
T3 CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKER, SWINGING FOR 6/7/8, DEPENDING ON THE ONE DROP.

>>49366164
CANT STOP THE COLE TRAIN BABY

>>49366098
>they don't fly by the way
>Look at the token again
FUCK ME

Like Jesus fuck I though this set was going to be good. This shit about Servos not flying and Fabricate being bullshit has just killed all hype I had. Its dead. I literally dont have any interest in the set any more.

>>49366144
Often just one. Speedway Fanatic seems like she'd like to play conductor.

>>49366181
Is this for killing the Alien queen?

>>49366181
Pretty powerful for an uncommon. Surprised it isn't rare

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>>49366164
We need one which draws cards.

>>49366181
Yes
A dwarf in a mech suit
This is what we came for

>>49366164

>lupine prototype driving this thing

>>49366199
>rare
Shit could have been a mythic! Thank Wizards for their generosity!

>>49366194
Almost every set for a very long time now has had a couple mechanics whose designated purpose is making a more even limited experience. This is nothing new and nothing bringing down Kaladesh.

>>49366108
never. it would be dumbest draft environment ever. every card with basic land synergy would be active 100% of games. maybe they'd fit into some mono-color commander product

>>49366232
>"I only play Constructed and don't know how Magic design works! lol xD"

>>49366112
>>49366164
Holy shitting fuckballs, these 2 posts alone just made me preorder 2 boxes

OK, my doubts have vanished. Vehicles are great.

>>49366221
this is shit. Remove the ping effect and lower mana cost by one to make it good. At least it's good draft fodder, considering it murders the fuck out of all those servos.

>>49366247
>not two cases
It's like you don't even have a business license.
I fucking love this game, I just keep all the commons for pauper with my friends and sell everything else for massive profit.

>>49366194
You're not excited for Chandra, saheeli, gearhulks, madcap, or inventions?

>>49366257
Really? These were the ones?They're hilarious but none struck as especially good. We already had the best ones spoiled.

>>49366233
The problem was Fabricate was the only thing I was interested in. Picking how many tokens to make. How many counters to put on the creature. Making a deck that can go wide or tall at the drop of a hat.

Now its gone. Nothing else in the set remotely interested me.

>>49366221
>this is uncommon

>>49366112
>this is a common card

>>49366270
A
MOTHERFUCKING
TRAIN

>>49366270

Must be the trains. I really want something like Armored Transport.

>>49366164
ARA ARA ARA ARA

*Menacing*

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>>49366164
>>49366112
My body is fucking ready
I fucking love trains

>>49366262
>Chandra
Never liked her and I dont think she has ever gotten a good card.

>saheeli
I dont play blue.

>gearhulks
This sets titans. Neat but over all I dont think they are that interesting. They are just finishers.

>madcap
Could have been interesting but the lack of interesting items and the fact it pings you make it ehh to me.

>inventions
I was. I really was at first. Then they said how rare and few they will be. Completely turned me off. You need to buy FIVE FUCKING FIVE boxes to have a reasonable chance of getting just ONE. Then that ONE invention could be something stupid like a sol ring or worse a gearhulk.

No That shit should be like one in ten packs for me to care.

>>49366325
>I don't think she has ever gotten a good card
Have you seen her new one?

>>49366277
You can still do exactly this. The difference between being able to split them is so minimal that I can't believe you are throwing a shit fit over it. YES, it's worse, but the difference doesn't make any except maybe the big black fabricate card significantly worse.

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>>49366325

>>49366194
not everyone wanted the spirits decks to be completely cucked by thopters out the ass.
liliana and the 1u bird auger of bolas for artifacts are bad enough

>>49366325
>something stupid like a sol ring
Bitch do you know how much money that would pull in from EDH players.

>>49366325
inventions don't do anything for you. you don't have to chase them, they just give collectors something to do.

>>49366375

My entire group plays mostly EDH and absolutely none of them would would spend money on any one of these inventions or expedition lands. Hell, more likely to sell them and buy stuff they need them even use them.

>>49366404
Your group is not representative.

bunch of poorfags.

>>49366325
Welp, sucks to be you I guess. I'm really stoked for kaladesh.

>>49366199
4/3 or 2/1+1/1+1/1 or 3/2+1/1 for 4 is not really rare worthy. Remember that Raise the Alarm is a common.

>>49366112
Elephants make for terrible mounts.

>>49366164
I do believe that train is part snek.

>>49366404
Sol ring is an automatic inclusion in nearly every EDH deck, I have no idea what your meta is smoking.

>>49366355
The difference is very important. Most of the main bodies are slanted in such a way making a shit ton of tokens leaves you with fucking nothing.

For whatever reason WOTC is going huge on this unequal P/T shit and its ruining the game.

I want to be able to make a token and make my main body able to survive.

>>49366181
>4/3
>set is all 2/3s
Adequate.

>>49366358
I assume you are talking about the prices. I dont sell my cards. I keep them. I want them to PLAY with not for their "value."

Also those prices are only because they are so rare.

>>49366112
>>49366164
I need a train.dek, I want to make a deck about making tokens and boarding them into the choo choo train.

>>49366423
Raise the alarm does not create artifacts.

>>49366423
Its just 4/3 or 2/1 and two 1/1's you have to pick all counters or all tokens.

>>49366412

Most of us, myself included, but for the most part functionality > form.

>>49366428

A Commander edition Sol Ring is like $3.00. You can buy like 50 for the price of one Invention Version.

>>49366449
Derplala boros trainset.dec

>>49366449
L U P I N E
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P
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>>49366453
And because of that, a weaker version is enough to up from common to rare?

>>49366454
Well, fabricate is worse than I thought.

>>49366375
I dont want to sell my cards anon. I'm NOT here for the money. I want the cards to play with not for their perceived value. I dont buy singles and I dont sell either.

If I pull a sol ring it is literally just a sol ring to me. Same as the other 15 I have. I'll just throw it into the trade binder.

>>49366465
>A Commander edition Sol Ring is like $3.00. You can buy like 50 for the price of one Invention Version.
Many MTG players are not this sensible.

>>49366479
It's highly unlikely but I swear, if we actually get a meta based off of Lupine Prototype riding vehicles, I'll eat my playset of CoCo.

>>49366429
A 3/2 isn't surviving significantly better in constructed than a 2/1 is >>49366181
. This is why it is a LIMITED mechanic, because in limited the difference can be a lot larger, so the choice between a 2/1 and 2 other dudes and 4/3 is much larger. but in constructed people are playing the best removal and the strongest creatures. you wouldn't even be playing a 3/2 that makes 1 token and does nothing else in constructed, nor a 4/3 vanilla and probably not even a 2/1 that comes with 2 1/1s for four mana anyway. that they cant be split doesn't matter a significant deal.

>>49366465
And a c16 shivan dragon is 20c but an alpha is $1200, i dont think you get how this whole thing works, its because its different

>>49366491
But how do you get cards for your decks then? You can always trade your stuff in for crazy value.

I traded my Tarmogoyf I got from my MM2 box.

>>49366491
>I'll just throw it into the trade binder.
Then the Sol Ring becomes worth ~$150 worth of cards you want, still a great pull.

>>49365770
We went through this and found other though equally shitty options, but they do let you do it turn 6.

>>49366502
>A 3/2 isn't surviving significantly better in constructed than a 2/1
for four mana that makes 1 dude in the former and 2 in the latter I should clarify. a 4/3 for 4 is significantly better than a 3/2 for four in constructed despite neither being very playable in and of themselves but you know what I mean.

>>49366505
I go to drafts and prereleases. I keep all the bulk to.

>>49366508
There is not 150usd worth of cars I want though. The only card I'm actively looking for is the new emerkul. I have 5 binders of shit I dont use. I also have so many EDH decks im thinking of tearing a few apart just because I cant play them all enough to make me happy having them.

Yo. Fabricate makes great ETB artifact triggers OR makes a creature big enough to crew your vehicles. You can scale that shit to your liking. As a Draft player this is very exciting for me.
If you're a Constructed player then this mechanic just isn't for you. You get the rares and some of the mythics and uncommons to play with.

>>49366502
Thats why LIMITED should be brought up in powerlevel. Fucking limited keeps ruining mechanincs I'm interested in. Every mechanic that gets the gears working and gets me thinking how can I use this? Ends up ruined because "heehee its for dat der LIM A TID ONREY."

I fucking HATE limited after the past few sets because it keeps ruing everything I find interesting.

>>49366537
then trade for an emrakul and make someone's day, it isn't like you are losing anything by the expedition sol ring existing.

>>49366568
You don't make enough money for Wizards to get a bigger voice, anon. I am sorry.

>>49366568
They make some Fabricate cards for constructed. Whether they are actually strong enough for constructed is another issue entirely. This is same for EVERY mechanic, 90% of the cards featuring are trash and a small percentage can shine in constructed. This is a limited not because it's weak but because of the role it plays in smoothing out a limited experience. It's kind of like how scry became evergreen to make sure every set that didn't come with one natural would have a mechanic built in that could help make more consistent draws in limited. Scry was made evergreen because of LIMITED.

>>49366572
Which is exactly what I will do. The original point was I literally dont care. I'm only interested in the big names like mana crypt and only so I can play them.

Because they are printed in such low numbers the masterpeices mean NOTHING an dadd no value to the set for me.

>>49366624
I was going to say that Kaladesh would be your lucky set but not with THAT kind of spirit, anon. Not like that.

>>49365490
>Im-fucking-plying a 3/3 haste for 3 or a 4/4 haste for 3 is going to see play, let alone save RDW

Oh boy I am laffin

>>49366624
Ill trade you a new emrakul for the 5 binders, i dont put value on cards either and i have a spare

>>49366649
Ha thats pushing it because I do get whims to make cubes an jank shit for fun but I would totally trade a masterpeice card for one.

>>49366640
I am very practical. If the odds are not there I dont remotely bet on them. It will be nice if it happens but why get hyped that it exists when you will most likely not get one? Why set yourself up for frustration.

>>49366608
I personally don't get why people
sperg out about these things. The decision making of things like Fabricate and Tribute is genuinely fun in limited.

>>49366568
It can't work that way.

First, limited not only can reliably have some cards show up more often than others, it automatically has it under the rarity system that always existed, and the environment depends upon there being differences is power and presence.
Constructed by its nature will not have this. At the competitive level all cards will show uo as much as the players want in decks, and they will select for only the most powerful.

Second, even in an extremely diverse constructed environment, less than 80 unique cards from a set will show up.
The majority of cards will only show up in limited decks, no matter what. So it's smarter to design the majority of cards with limited in mind.

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>>49366694
>tfw pic related was the funnest card in Limited for you

>>49366694
Tribute wasn't fun even in limited. Fabricate probably will be though.

>>49366719
God I want to play this card in commander but it's just... JUST ever so slightly out of playability for me.

>>49366704
Or just you know stop caring. Make the set only for constructed play and let limited deal with it.

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>>49366757
>stop caring about the sanctioned format that is played the most

I'm glad you're not in charge of Wizards. I hope you're not in charge of anything, really. You'd run in into the ground without even knowing what hit you.

>>49366730
commander is about fun anyways man. I'm pretty sure fortune's favor has a place in my politics deck.

>>49365793
No, it's not cast. It's better. Way better. You can play it. That means you can do lands with this. You can't miss with it.

If you wiff, you just use it as your land drop.

>>49366694
Usually it's an issue of Fabricate being boring or something and wondering why they made yet another lame +1/+1 counter mechanic. Ignoring that I think Fabricate is probably the most interesting, again, since RTR's Unleash and Evolve and Scavenge, those counter mechanics serve a purpose by giving the set a way to balance out your shit creatures that you are sometimes forced to use by virtue of limited being limited or in context of how fabricate works in particular for easily splashable synergy for different archetypes. If you were trying to draft an etb trigger deck like WU seems to be in this deck and you can't get enough bounce or blink pieces, you can still try to go for a token strategy or just play more efficient creatures and be more straightforward.

>>49366792
It just had to be one more card. Just one more. And it would be a super fun version of fact or fiction that's not as powerful but still good. Oh well. I think i might have even have accepted one more mana tacked on for one more card.

>>49366757
>>49366568
I wonder why people like you don't just play an Online Cube or something.

All the constructed all-stars you'd ever want while enjoying the draft aspect of Limited.

>>49366836
Because magic online charges me real money for fake packs.

>>49366832
if wishes were horses fools would ride, friend.

>>49366164
>>49366112

We Ticket to Ride now?

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Okay, why isn't anyone talking about this SPICY meme card.

>>49366851
He said play online, not magic online. There is plenty options for playing mtg online.

>>49366836
This doesn't change the fact that 90% of all new cards are intentionally made to be worthless shit for limited.

>>49366877
Because we already talked about it.

>>49366878
Yeah and they are all shit.

>>49366877
Because it's probably gonna be shit in 60 card constructed
Shit's going straight in Karlov for commander so I can shit on people when I play 1 on 1 though.

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>>49366879
>"worthless shit"
>for the biggest format

Just stop.