MTG Modern General

dead on arrival

First for unban bloodbraid elf

>>49341667
And JtmS
And SFM

>>49338746
>>49338841
I honestly figured that Affinity was just a dead matchup, but I'm going to remove Chalices for Recalls as apparently 8Sea is already pretty good against decks that play a lot of 1 drops (Burn, Infect, Zoo).

I also liked how streamlined Merfolk Joe's Sideboard was, though unfortunately I didn't have the wherewithal to purchase Tidebinder Mages, so I'll have to do without for the time being.

>>49341667
Unban senseis divining top :^)

The banlist seems pretty solid imo, the only thing I could see to unban is Jitte since Stoneforge is gone too. I'm the Merfag, though, so...

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>>49341687
>Esper becomes abusive
>All midrange decks just slot in SFM or splash white for it
Modern is saved guys :^)

>>49341954
Give abzan more toys 2k16. Mystic and batterskull in every deck. Cawblade 2: modern boogaloo.

>>49341928
Both Summer Bloom and Second Sunrise seem like parts of such poorly optimized decks that they don't merit a ban.

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>>49341523
>As an additional cost to cast ~, return a permanent you control to its owner’s hand.

>Counter target spell

This+Snapcaster mage.
Can we feel the value now, mr krabs? would be worth it

>>49342094
What is Familiar's Ruse

>>49342094
Familiar's ruse has existed for almost a decade

>>49341954
>>49341978
Fucking do it. All is better than this diverse format of 80% noninteractive linear aggro

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>I didn't buy Grafdigger's Cages when they were $2

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RESURRECTING THE THREAD

JESKAI NAHIRI PLAYER HERE

what the FUCK do I put in against R/G Breach?

>>49343371
>Blue deck
>Losing to one card sorcery speed combo

????? How do you lose?

>>49343371
Did you forget that you are in blue?

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R8 the brew
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grixis-artificers/

>>49342094
>not paying one more mana for two more modes, one of which is draw a card

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Haha, fuck Tormenting Voice. We're going balls deep.

>>49343573
0/10

>>49343573
>Greaves
>Blightsteel
Look for the EDH thread

>>49343371
all the countermagic

geist of dank kush

Take out some PtEs and AV, shave some of the combo

don't tap out like a retard, keep Through th Breach in mind

>>49343573
Looks awful

>>49343631
IS this good enough for modern dredge? I play legacy dredge and I have no idea what that deck is doing

>>49343631
>sorcery
>additional cost

This is the kind of card that makes Remand look good

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>>49343931
Most of the time the deck plays Tormenting Voice already.

>>49343958
The only people playing this are Dredge. If you Remand it, they didn't really lose those cards, they just got to put their relevant cards in the graveyard. They'll just Dredge up those same cards later and cast it again.

>>49343958
>>49344002
That's a pretty nice example of why R&D doesn't like Dredge. The deck doesn't behave like Magic. Mana costs are often irrelevant to them and they view things that are usually downsides as advantages.

Tell me anon

Why is your deck the best and/or the most fun in modern?

>>49343494
>>49343557
>save counters for all their haymakers
>they got a bunch of ramp off earlier
>they just play their lands normally
>die anyway

it's like you've never seen the matchup

>want to get into modern
>willing to eat the cost of making a deck
>literally like 6 people in my area play

ugh. are modern decks a lot cheaper on mtgo? I want to learn the format, but fuck me I don't want to pay a shitload for an mtgo modern deck.

>>49344048
R&D are the most no fun faggots in the community with the exception of salty whiners like you.

>>49344115
>you don't counter their ramp

There's your problem. You should have 10+ counterspells + snappies postboard

Honestly mate as hard as Scapeshift pounds Nahiri, the Breach versions are a good matchup

>>49344189
>with the exception of salty whiners like you

Who said I was salty or whiny? I play Dredge.
I was just commenting on why counterspells vs. discard as a cost doesn't actually hurt Dredge, because Dredge isn't playing by the same rules other decks are.

>>49344210
Games work out even worse when you counter their ramp. I have 3 Leaks 3 Remand 2 Spell Snare and 2 Cryptic in the main and unless you just slam Nahiri on turn 4 and get to untap with it, you do not win. I don't know why I asked you people. It's not like any of you have seen or played the matchup, you all just talk out your ass like a stack of counterspells solves all your problems.

>>49344266
So do I and I get hardcore triggered by "Dredge isn't Magic"

>>49344279
>I slam Nahiri turn 4 and hope to untap
>y-you guys just dont know the MU!

Ok bud

>>49344279
You should be taking out the combo and boarding in Geist of Saint traft, retard

What does your list look like

>>49344366
Nahiri just ends up being a dead card in your hand if you can't get it out as fast as possible. Of course you dont just play it if they can immediately breach you but if you have Nahiri's just rotting in your hand, you run out of counterspells much faster than you're acting like you do. Not even counterspells stop them from just killing you by just putting lands into play.

>>49344397
Geist helps a shitton yes, but sometimes they just cram a Courser in your way and you have to double burn it, throw the Geist into it alongside a burn spell, path it and get wrecked by Valakut even harder, be sad that you took out Nahiri, or just do nothing with Geist.

Also
>dur hur counter their ramp
>counter a Tribe Elder
>get summoning trapped into Emrakul on turn 2

Man you guys definitely know everything here huh. Shit is so much more difficult than you dipshits think it is

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WotC and Hasbro are at it again! After choosing Chris Kluwe as a brand representative at PAX, they now removed their support for the second largest Magic: The Gathering channel on youtube... Behind his back... on Pleddit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwm02zPsJ90

Mono green.
Llanowar, Arbor or Mystic?

no hierarch pls

>>49344577
what kind of mono green

also dont play mono green

>>49344477
>Nahiri just ends up being a dead card in your hand
which is why you take some out, depending on how much you can bring in.

>sometimes they x
yes they still have good cards, do you want the MU to be 80/20? Most lists run maybe two coursers. You can Path them but obviously should be wary of when you can do that

>if you counter tribe elder theyll summoning trap you!
well then don't you idiot, why do I even have to point that out? You can however counter every other ramp spell they play, and at one point you stop and start saving for payoff spells; when that is depends on your draw

go ask on mtgs what people think of the gr breach MU and you'll see you're in the minority with thinking that MU is bad. TRY to comprehend that just maybe, you're just doing it wrong. And honestly if you ask for advice then refuse to take it or even THINK about it, just fucking stop playing entirely because you will never improve

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>>49344565
>Magic: The Gathering channel on youtube

>>49344565
can you objectively tell me why they don't want to support him

>>49344577
Unless you plan on using utopia sprawl or dual lands, don't use the arbor elf for the fringe cases where not being a mana ability matters.

Llanowar all the way, but only because fyndhorn is not an option.

>>49344565
>23 minute long video
Who even is this guy? Why should I give a shit about this dude?

>>49344577
Mystic

>>49344565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PND3C0j7bxs

rofl who is this faggot

>>49344709
>Why should I give a shit about this dude?

You shouldn't. Let it pass over you, like water on a duck.

>>49344720
I think that's a joke.

>>49344627
I'd take your advice if it wasn't shit advice. Jeskai Nahiri isn't a fucking infinite stack of counterspells and it's extremely difficult to outrace just being burned out by landdrops even when you're countering things perfectly. But like I said, you people don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about or how the matchup goes so I guess it's easy to understand why "just counter stuff" would be your advice.

>>49344766
ironically being a retard doesn't make you less of a retard

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>>49344565
>look him up
>all these tweets about alphas, feminists, and cucks
>he's a fucking /pol/tard
my fucking sides good riddance
https://imgur.com/a/Ln2Qy
http://imgur.com/a/mgYMe

>>49344818
Seeing as you are in red, have you tried land destruction like crumble to dust?

>>49344818
It's time to stop posting

Playing Junk. Nahiri feels bad. 2 Maelstrom Pulse in main, 1 in board?

>>49344565
after investigating his twitter and his other vids, it seems like wizards didnt care that he did his spoiler in a cool way, it's that they gave him the spoiler ready to pounce on him no matter what.

MTG is becoming a political area, I don't like this. I just wanna play cards.

>>49344935
2 pulse main is good but side pulse seems odd, I'd pick Celestial Purge instead

>>49344914
>I got wrecked
>I'll just tell him to stop posting, that way I can act like I won without making any actual arguments

Sure faggot. I guess it's my own fault for asking for advice on a board that doesn't even know how to play themselves

>>49344963
Not even the same guy. You're retarded. Maybe don't play a shitty meme deck with no real clock.

Are there any other decent mtg youtubers?

the professor is a charming goof, Evan Irwin's forgotten lores are still real nice but without Brad Nelson for the set reviews there isn't anything else worthwhile out of him

>>49344982
>Nahiri
>No real clock

gold star buddy, you tried

>>49345009
>videos by wedge always show up in subscription feed
>havent watched one of his videos in months
>question why I'm even subscribed

fuck the magic community is cringey

>>49344982
hey now, that he doesn't know how to play it doesn't make it bad. It's still a very solid Tier 2 deck

Also honestly just stop replying to that guy, what are you trying to proof

>>49344962
It would have to be something that also deals with Eldrazi Displacer (I already have Abrupt Decays)

I almost want to laugh and run Bile Blight...

>>49345036
I can't watch wedge, he looks and sounds disgusting

>>49345009
deselator if you hate yourself

>>49344332
What people mean by "Dredge isn't Magic" is that Dredge doesn't follow the same concentions of resource accrual as other decks. Card Advantage is all virtual to it, mana is largely irrelevant, and the deck produces most of its board presence by effects that draw cards.

Whereas most decks like having cards in hand, that's one of the least useful places a card can end up being in Dredge. It basically treats your grave as your hand, turning your hand into your actual grave.

>>49345009
strictly better mtg

>>49345009
A lot of the small, deck-oriented content creators are great, but it seems like all of the meta-content creators are pretty shit.

>>49345009
>Evan and Brad set reviews
>those bants
>those retarded bets
>that comfiness
>those stories of olde
>that perfect mix of decent limited advice and utter complete constructed wrongness

I'm so fucking sad they had to stop those. And I can't watch Magic Mics because Erin is the most obnoxious bitch ever

>>49342153
>>49342159
>That
>Spellstutter sprite
>Snapcaster Mage
Plz gve me a dankest meme

>>49344958
>it's that they gave him the spoiler ready to pounce on him no matter what

Did you even read? WotC didn't give him the spoiler, he got it secondhand.

>>49345229
alright, then PR fucked up, this man did nothing wrong.

>>49344958
>MTG is becoming a political area, I don't like this. I just wanna play cards.
welcome to GamerGate 2.0
the ride never ends

>>49345220
eternal command was a deck for a while

>vial
>snap
>eternal witness
>senpai ruse
>cryptic command

often backed up with thirst for knowledge, huntmaster of the fells and bolts. It's most definitely too durdly for today's standards though

>>49344666
nice trips
he says words like feminism, white knight and cuck on twitter. That's pretty much it.

>>49345250
besides being a cringeworthy shitter

>>49345295
you just hate neckbeards, don't you
or is that you ARE ONE???

>>49345295
that isn't a offense that's worthy of wizards shaming him.

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>>49345305
nah I'm a hungry skeleton who can't grow much facial hair

>>49345314
Isn't it though? Why would they choose to take any flak from being associated with his actions or anything he's said, instead of just bluntly and publicly distancing themselves from him?

>>49345261
his entire rest of his post was retarded but that part I kind of agree with

every time a new character is introduced and he/she/xe/it/they arent a white male I have to hear one side laud themselves for how progressive we are all being and another REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing that SJWs are ruining everything

Even here on /tg/ I can't help getting someone's agenda forced down my throat, just look at this faggot >>49345292 trying to justify this shit >>49344883 as "he just said the word feminist"

>>49345315
go eat your veggies anon

>>49345314
grow some balls faggot. They said they don't want to associate with him and I can completely see why

He's in his complete right to continue being an awful person but getting wotc's support is a privilege not a right

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>>49345362
>we can never again have a block in pretend Africa and have it not be a big deal

>>49345480
Not anymore.

>>49345380
they can cut ties but don't say "we dont reward this behavior" publicly. just email the guy that they won't be sending him product in the future.

>>49345542
>but don't say "we dont reward this behavior" publicly

Why?
Sparing his reputation is not more important than making it clear they don't want to be associated with him.

>LGS banned me from FNM because a girl complained i smelled

>day after i sold them 3 counterfeit liliana of the veil, a counterfeit cryptic command and a counterfeit tarmogoyf

get fucked faggots

>>49345542
>hey you gave this guy a spoiler, he's kind of a dick
>we didn't give him a spoiler and do not condone his behaviour

wow rude much

>>49345574
Take a shower.

>>49345574
Is this a copy pasta or are you the most gross smelling person in existence?

Just take a fucking shower.

>>49345574
nice blog smelly

>>49345637
>>49345616
>>49345615

t: cucks listening to every whim of every woman in their vicinity.

good thing i have a bunch of good black core fakes, I'll keep unloading these on that fuckboy gamestore till they go out of business, easy money for me too.

>>49345684
Jokes on you, I am every woman in my vicinity.

Because I am alone right now, is the joke.

>>49345684
But seriously you don't just get banned for being a little sweaty on a warm day. You must be so foul no one can share a room with you. Why don't you just take a shower? It was a joke all along right?

>>49344114
Infect. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just salty they keep losing to it.

>>49344577
Birds flies
Noble pumps
Deathrite Shaman is banned
Use Arbor with utopia sprawl and play a bad deck
Use mystic/Llanowar if playing elfs

His is this even a question?

>>49345751
yes i rused you :^)

>>49345877
to add to this, i really have met some stank motherfuckers at my FNM - official

>>49345131
Aye

So when playing merfolk Æther vial should generally stay on two right?

>>49345998
no idiot how are you gonna flash in Master of Waves then?

>>49346119
O..oh. Ok. I was just thinking since most stuff costs 2. but I guess that makes sense. Just want to learn some stuff about the deck before playing it.

>>49346135
You can't tell how many counters you want on it before the game starts.
If you get all 2 drops obviously don't plus it to 3. If you have a 3 drop in hand but only 2 lands you obviously plus it.

As with pretty much all other stuff it depends on the situation.

>>49346135
I'm just messing man

there's no set number to keep it on, it just depends on how the game shapes up and what the proper plays are at the time

Is there any chance Infect gets a ban? I want to buy back into the deck but if it's getting too popular I don't wizards to Twin it
I really don't think so but if there's a chance I'm a bit worried

>>49346135
It all depends on what cards you draw when, it's a judgement choice desu

>>49344883

You do realise he's using the term "Alpha personality" correctly right not just as some meme?

Also considering how much he's been laid into by crazy tumblr/reddit feminists over nothing it's no surprise he has tweets involving them.

I've nothing much to go on except his twitter history and the one video posted here but it seems to be the usual situation of drama queens going crazy at people who aren't in their little clique and a company bowing to their noise.

>>49346182
If Infect eats a ban it will probably be either Become Immense or Inkmoth Nexus. I don't think it will happen, but even if it did the deck wouldn't be completely unplayable.

Real combo decks are a lot more prone to dying off of losing a single card.

>>49346182
sadly you're probably fine getting back into it

It's a deck that everyone hates that has no right to exist and embodies what's wrong with the modern format but it's only 4% of the format at the moment and it's not like it constantly trashes tournaments. If it ever goes over 15% for an extended period of time, I think that's when they'll probably go after it even though it's literal cancer made out of every broken mechanic in modern and should be banned anyway you faggot piece of shit, I hope you get bullied out of your shop

>>49346263
>even though it's literal cancer made out of every broken mechanic in modern and should be banned anyway you faggot piece of shit, I hope you get bullied out of your shop
I was one of the first and am one of the only people in my shop that plays the deck, most peopl play with their foil affinity and jund decks, or run stuff like tron or jeskai control
I've been playing the deck forever, suck my glistener elf

>>49346263
Huh, you're a fucking cry baby, aren't you?
It's not like the deck is hard to beat, you just have to not be retarded.
Tell me, what colours do you play?

>>49346259
It's pretty unlikely they'd ban Inkmoth. It's not contributing near enough to the deck to be a candidate.

Become Immense is pretty much the most likely card to be banned of anything notable in Modern right now. There have been a few turn 2-3 kills from Infect and Zoo during large events, which puts it suspiciously on the edge of the turn 4 rule.

>>49346259
Losing become immense would suck, but the deck would still be good. Hell, it was decent before that card.
Losing inkmoth, on the other hand, would suck super fucking hard

>>49346438
Losing Inkmoth would make the Rock/Jund matchup completely unplayable

>>49346263
>modern babys crying about a little infect
be glad I dont have berserk and invigorate, fuccboi

>>49346579
>This
Modern Infect is fucking mild compared to Legacy//Vintage.

>Tfw people think become immense or inkmoth should be banned

>mutagenic growth is actually the only card that enables turn 2 wins

>>49346579
>>49346618
Be glad I don't have (insert powerful vintage card)!

See how stupid you're comment is?

>>49344114
Death and Taxes because it has a lot of flexibility to approach different matchups differently once you learn how a deck works
As a big plus, if you felt like it you could grab ports, moms and SFM, go to a legacy event and play the most fun deck in magic

>>49345009
I Hate Card Games

>>49346661
Zooicide pulled off a turn 2 kill thanks to Probes, Street Wraith, Bauble, etc, and Become Immense. It was a very unlikely kill, but it was a turn 2 kill during a major event, which will definitely put their eyes on it.

>>49346668
No, because that's a perfectly legitimate statement.
You don't have to deal with the worst the deck has to offer yet, what if they reprint Invigorate? Then what?

>>49346768
Yeah but infect is more likely to get turn 2 wins than suicide Zoo

Honestly banning all 1 mana phyrexian spells would probably solve all these problems

>>49346321
>I've been playing cancer forever so it's okay that I play cancer

Yeah that helps you out a lot fagass

>>49346978
>>I've been playing cancer forever
>cancer
Jesus, are you all twelve? Infect isn't even that bad.

>>49347016
yeah the person playing with it poorly would say that huh :^)

>>49347040
I don't play infect, I've played it before, and I took first both times.
But that's not the point, the point is it isn't bad at all, and you're just a whiny piss Baby who doesn't know how to play against it.

>>49346263
Oh shit we've got a live one boys.

>>49347622
you know it baby

>>49344565
Dat neckbeard.

WOTC would give him his support back if he shaved his beard for a video.

>>49347800
>Trim beard
>Get an undercut
>Talk about how oppressed and under/misrepresented LGBTBBQs are in the media
>Have a dildo on a shelf behind you
>And a copy of Hospice by the Antlers
Bam, you're a hero of the community.

>>49346978
>I can't deal with one of the most straight forward decks in the format.
Bro I love infect but don't act like it's thread number one in modern

>>49347869
*threat

>>49347884
Silly Anon, Jund isn't a threat. It's a slow dumb deck. Tarmogoyf is just a vanilla beater, it dies to removal!

>>49347835
Hospice is fucking great fuck off

>>49343095
>I didn't buy groves when they where the 15€
>I didn't buy aether vials when they where 20€

Life is suffering. but I did buy a playset of inkmoth nexus when they where 8€ a piece and ravagers when they where 12€ so there is that.

>>49346867
They will never reprint that card in a standard legal set. Ever. I 100% guarantee you.

Free spells don't happen anymore in standard, especially random alternative costs(other than discarding cards).

>>49347893
Tarmogoyf dies to doom blade, slippery boggle doesn't. Who is the truly superior creature?

>>49347922
The sheer fact that people are greentexting shit like that is exactly why I'm selling my entire collection. I came to Magic for a card game, not stocks.

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>>49347944
>Doesn't die to Doom Blade
Check

>Beats a Bogle in combat
Check

>>49347945
Okay goodbye have fun with your next hobby.

>>49346166
>>49346178
>>49346240
I see, thanks. I guess I'll just learn the deck and the decissions to make when I have it complete. which will be in like 3 months

>>49347945
same, I don't even care about selling my shit again but it's still a little painful to know that I could've gotten certain cards for cheaper.

>>49347944
Tarmogoyf makes bitches drip.

HOLY SHIT XMAGE IS TRASH

>be on ur infect vs tron
>everything going well until he pops oblivion stone
>ok, no problem, apostles blessing to give a creature protection against artifacts
>oblivion stone resolves and kills my creature with pro-artifacts AND a land (the card says non-land permanent, it didn't even destroy all my lands, just one)

someone please fix this shit program.

>>49348110
Anon, protection from artifacts means it can't be targeted by artifacts and it can't be dealt damage by artifacts. Oblivion stone does neither, target nor deal damage so your creature is destroyed.

>>49348110
You're retarded actually

>>49348110
>he didn't win by turn 3 as infect against tron
trash

>>49348141
oh shit you're right actually

but destroying one of my lands was a bug for sure.

>>49348263
Was it an Inkmoth or Arbor? Could have something to do with it, even though it wouldn't be a legal action, it might explain a little bit of what the bug was

>>49348295
it was a breeding pool, which makes it even weirder as I had 2 breeding pools on the battlefield.

>>49348308
yeah then I have no idea

Why doesn't RG breach run emmy? It seems like such a shite deck

>>49348308
Yeah, that was a bug for sure.

>>49348352
Some do.

>>49348352
>It seems like such a shite deck
it is

Reminder that not even Skullclamp would make a dent in a meta this fast and linear. Seriously go ahead, brew a deck with Skullclamp in that can hold a candle to Titanshift.

>>49348986
Shut up retard

>>49348986
(You)

>>49348986
skull clamp is stupidly good, stop being such an edgelord.

Anyone else been playing Scapeshift? It's been pretty damn consistent for me tonight, been doing well against a lot of the major decks

>>49350472
I have RUG scapeshift built, are you on BTL or titan?

>>49350921
BTL, been playing it online
How does Titan differ? I imagine it's more control/grindy?

>>49350997
rug is control/grindy
Titan is really linear (RG breach)
you know how BTL is.

I love cryptic command honestly. being able to cast that card and fuck around with lands makes scapeshift the perfect deck for me.

>>49346263
Oh hi RougeDeckbuilder.

>>49351090
>>49350997
What's better titanshift or rg breach?

The titanshift list I'm playing currently is the one played in worlds, no through the breach or emrakul or summoning traps

>>49348986
I feel the same way but about jitte.

t1 creature, t2 play jitte, t3 attempt to equip jitte as creature gets bolted, pathed, abrupt decayed, kolaghan's command or any other artifact hate people usually board against affinity.

Seem like a massive tempo loss if your t2 and t3 plan don't work out to against the spot removal in modern. all this low to the ground creature decks can have stronger outburst by playing their normal plan

Would it just go into midrange decks?

>>49345009

>Good Tier
MTGGoldfish
The Professor (ignoring Shitters: the Podcast)
Limited Resources

>Cocksucking Schill Tier
Mana Source

>Massive Autism Tier
MTG Lion

>Whiny Faggot Tier
Rouge Deckbuilder

>Who? Tier
Magic Man Sam
MTG Degree

>DSP Tier
Desolator Magic

>>49343573
so you lose to RDW, infect, affinity, any counter spell and any path, like maybe if you had mox opal it might do something

So is RUG delver not entirely shit tier?

>>49343371
Perhaps try Crumble to Dust on their Valakut?

>>49351524
>lord and savior tier
I hate card games

>>49351572
It's actually strong.
It's more difficult to pilot properly and is very expensive for a deck that isn't top in popularity so not so many people play it

>>49351603
What would you pick for a decklist?

I know most of the value is in fetches (Scalding tarn, rainforest) and goyf but the rest doesn't seem extremely expensive.

>>49351648
I didn't save it but an anon here has an optimized list he plays. I just get wrecked by it online most times

>>49347957
have a nice time blocking it when 0 life

>>49351524
pretty accurate descriptions
>>49345134
second this, used to watch GreatNate for UWR geist videos.

>>49351524
>DSP tier
>desolator magic

I wondered who he reminds me of. but his lgs rants are kind of entertaining.

The professor is awesome tho.

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So why doesn't this card see play in modern? Seems to me it'd be great in a white weenie strategy.

>>49351327
I think they're one deck with two win conditions. focussing on one wincon or the other is metta dependant. In a blue metta I would go all in and run summoning trap. Sense the metta is not blue I would just go with titan side of the deck.

>>49351572
I got first at my fnm with RUG delver last week. deck is great and I love it.

>>49352119
doesn't do anything when it hits the board, has bad stats, no evasion, ability isn't that good even as a sideboard slot
Maybe if it was whenever it dealt combat damage but even then idk

>>49352119
>3 mana for a 2/2

It's not that great, that's why. against aggro you will be dead before you get a hit with it or it will be bolted. against midrange it will be bolted, blocked by a tarmogoyf or they make you sac it with a liliana. against control it's the same thing, it will get bolted, path to exiled, or just remanded.

what tier is RG Tron

>>49352301
Currently it's tier 2. It's match-ups against linear aggro decks are terribad and linear aggro is easily the most populated archtype.

>>49352333
Your mom is tier II.

>>49352750
Hey bub I called your mom tarmoguyf because she turned into a fatty LOL

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>>49352774
and I called ur mum restore balance because she sucks major dick LUL

>>49351524
Do people really not like MTG Lion?

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>playing monthly modern at LGS
>The organizer's son, maybe 9 or so, plays alongside his dad
>first round I match against him
>playing infect
>at one point in the game I drop a glistener elf
>he goes
>"UGH! NOT ELVES!!"
>his dad goes
>"That's probably infect" or something like that
>"no! it's elves!" says little boy

fast forward like a month

>friend gets matched up against kid this time
>friend is also on infect
>maybe 5 mins later I hear from across the room
>"UGH!!! NOT ELVES!"

It's adorable, this kid is super adamant that infect is actually elves and cannot be convinced otherwise.

>>49353523

Wait til he gets Collected Company's into 2 Shaman of the Packs for lethal.

>>49353293

He's pretty high on the autism meter. I mean he's OK for ne personally but I can see why people dont like him.

>>49351524
Kevin aka Roguedeckbuilder is pretty shitty. He's literally a living example of that copypasta about people who hate netdeckers. His budget series is ok I guess, some creative entries, but SaffronOlive does it better.

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Is this good famiglias?

>>49353734
Might have been neat in Modern at 3 mana, but at 4 you should be playing Cryptic.

>>49353734
no good. I have literally been saying that we need a card with the power level of cryptic at 3 mana.. this was our shot at that.
I This could of been so good...

>>49353734
>New targets for target spell

That's a new formatting. It's the first spell that can change a spell with multiple targets too.

>>49353734
might see play as a 1-of
people don't play as many powerful spells in modern as they do in legacy and legacy has much better options
I can maybe see delver running it, mostly for the first or second modes

>>49354264
>delver
>4cmc

It's also worse than CC

>>49354244
it's literally the text on redirect
The card is counterspell / twincast / redirect

>>49354244
See>>49354563

Also not the first to change targets either, commandeer is another you could change all targets, you just also became the controller of it while on the stack.

>>49345009
Alpha investments. Rudy is fantastic

>>49352119
There are no white weenie strategies in modern
There are no white strategies in modern at all, unless you count the Red White Nahiri.

>>49355113
>There are no white weenie strategies in modern
Mono White Death and Taxes is tier 2

>>49355132
My bad, slipped my mind.

>>49353597
I don't know how RogueDeckbuilder manages to make videos about meme brews so damn boring.

>>49351919
>lgs rants are kind of entertaining.

I never once found his bitching and shit talking about his lgs entertaining, and this is coming from someone who loves "That Guy" stories. I'm 99% sure most, if not all of his stories are him telling half-truths, putting words in people's mouths, a shitton of projecting, and outright making shit up. He doesn't even do a good job making you sympathize with him.

>>49351476
Having "you win all creature combat" equipment only works if you have 5 copies of them with SFM. Even Affinity and Infect would have a hard time with t3 Jitte on the draw.

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>>49351524
pretty accurate

>>49355132
it's just a worse eldrazi and taxes

Recently I introduced my gf to magic. She enjoyed playing with the janky "what can I build out of my shitty rares" decks. So what do I do? I proxy up junk and kikichord. We spend so much time with cracking fetches she gets bored.
Can you guys recommend a few decks that are "fun" ? Right now I'm looking at mtggoldfish budget decks, but those seem to be really linear/solitaire "let me just do my thing" decks, which aren't the spellslingy edh-esque games we are looking for.

>>49356097
Something like Nahiri vs Jund should result in at least some interaction.

>>49356097
Competitive modern decks probably aren't what you're after and are expensive to boot.
Just get some Duel Decks and slam them into each other

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How big of a dick am I?

(Despise and Duress will get swapped for Thoughtseize and Inquisition when budget permits)

>>49356193
Why Night of Souls Betrayal?
Kills your shortfangs and makes your zombies job hard to Forked Bolt etc

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I got money to either finish my modern elves deck or:
- buy cards for modern bant eldrazi(I'll be missing just 2 caverns of souls);
- buy missing cards for modern BW tokens;
- or go with this cool BR eldrazi deck that took a 9th place at a GP: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-b-r-eldrazi#online

All of them seem fun, but I played only elves and bant eldrazi.

Help me out lads, what seems the have a good future without bans and be a tier1/tier 1,5 for a long time?

>>49356323
scratch that BW tokens deck, I miss 2 lilianas and 4 bitterblossoms that's a liliana too much I have to spend right now

>>49356316
It's just a one-of to catch decks that go really wide off guard. I wouldn't put it down unless the opponent has more board presence or I've already flipped one of my shortfangs.

>>49356323
If you've played bant eldrazi or elves I'd suggest finishing one of those first. or proxy the b/r eldrazi list and playtest it for a while to see how you like it, then decide what to buy?

Maybe finish elves first and if you still have money buy some cheap cards for bant eldrazi?

>>49356469
I miss noble Heirarchs, Ancient Stirrings, 2 x Cavern of Souls and Eldrazi Temples for Bant eldrazi. So I'd have a version without 2 caverns for now.

I miss 2 caverns, a spellskite, 1 chord, and/or those GB lands for elves.

>>49356492
I'd suggest finishing eldrazi first then. Hierach ain't getting cheaper right now and is useful for other decks too.

>>49356502
Yeah I guess. The problem is Cavern is going up fast as well.

What a fucking moron I was to sell my lilianas, caverns and snapcasters month befre the rotation.

What a fucking moron I was, goddamn it(I still prolly am btw.).

Is there a brew in modern that uses the new Emrakul?
It doesn't have to be competetive, I just want to mind slaver some people at the kitchen table

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Alright guys. Thoughts?

2x Boros Charm
+

-

2x Hallow
4x Intervention Pact
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Lightning Helix
3x Path to Exile

4x Arid Mesa
4x Battlefield Forge
4x Inspiring Vantage
3x Mountain
4x Plains
4x Sacred Foundry

2x Boros Reckoner
4x Soulfire Grand Master

4x Authority of the Consulate
1x Aetherflux Reservoir
3x Nahiri, the Harbinger
4x Madcap Experiment

Be tricky, get 50 life, win.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/boros-reservoir-1/

>>49357209
Mindslaver is a lot cheaper than that pile of shit.

>>49357209
Why would anyone use the new Emrakul when they could use the old Emrakul? The only deck that would ever have a chance of casting it is Tron, and they'd much rather have Ulamog, so everyone else is cheating her out and she's much worse than her first printing as far as that's concerned.

>>49354950

>Tells us to invest hard on Khans of Tarkir Booster Boxes

Or how about do this weird thing called buy the fucking singles???

>>49357209
Mono U tron with Academy ruins + mindslaver. Screw newrakul you'll slave people forever with this. but you'll lose all your friends in the process, trust me.

>>49356668
I feel you man, I didn't buy caverns when they where 20 or 15€ a piece because I thought it was too expensive back then. now I need one for merfolk and could kick myself.

>>49358084
You could do that. But boxes are a lot more safe to buy in the long term.

>>49358249
Except Khans has fuckall for value outside of the fetches. Can't wait to get a 20 dollar profit off of my booster box after 8 years!

I've posted about it plenty of times but why are people still clinging to the OMG FLIP JACE IS AMAZING. After the initial rush of people jamming him in fucking everything, he barely shows up in Modern or Legacy Top 8s, and if he does its a lower-level event. He's solid for sure, but the decks that want him in Modern and Legacy have better two-drops, and even if he does flip, he's not exceptional. Are people just really trying to justify spending 320 on a playset of him?

It makes me salty that I get scoffed at and people look at me like I'm stupid when I say he's solid but doesn't do enough in nonrotating formats.

>>49358294
Currently that's kind of true. But the played commons and uncommons are creeping up in price as well.

>>49358302
>Are people just really trying to justify spending 320

Yes, standard tards are trying to make their waste of money sting less.

>>49358302
>justify spending 320 on a playset of him?

You answered your own question.

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So I was looking around for a new deck to play and ended up with Owlingmine and started to fiddle with it.
Anyone know why Jace Beleren is not played? In the deck +2 both draw is not an issue and in testing the card has felt good.

>>49356333
bw tokens doesn't even play lotv

>>49358798
Owling mine really won't operate in this format. It's biggest weakness in 2005 was turn 1 Kird Ape, and the threats have gotten much more efficient since then.

>>49358302
>320 dollars on a playset
What?

>>49359065
he was $80 at one point

>>49359170
He was $100 for no good reason. Goes to show the power of market bubbles.

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I think im close to perfecting my modern mill

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cranial-flush/

Played some games at friday night modern, manage to instant mill someone 3 games in a row.

Considering 2x more twincasts but dont know what to remove at this point

>>49359170
>Not waiting till rotation
The stupidity is strong with him anon

>>49359543
I played some faggot like you recently, he shelldocked a glimpse the unthinkable then snapcaster maged it for the win.

>>49359543
I love the look on the face of mill players when they mill emrakul

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>>49359778
>emrakul
Goodluck, im behind 4x Sadistic sacraments

>>49359543
Theres no reason to have a split of Surgical and Extirpate, even if one is better in scenario A and another better in scenario B, A should come up more often than B and thus on average a playset of one of the two will be best

counterbalance is shit

I dont see the point of running both the mindcrank combo and manually milling, you're just diluting both gameplans

Im assuming you dont play 4x glimpse because you are poor

>>49359543
Why counterbalance?

>>49358981
I would say that a worse matchup is a deck that can thoughtseize turn 1 and put out a 4/4 turn 2 and then kill on turn 3.

Howling mine is just a dead card in those matchups.

>>49359833
>>49359836
Counter balance is mainly for entertainment purposes.

Consider Extirpate a sideboard placeholder, usually Sadistic Sacrament or thoughtsieze, sometimes Grafdigger's Cage etc.

and absolutely, glimpse is expensive

>>49345220

sure, here's your meme
>fold to dredge

>>49359836
>>49359833
slimmed out the counterbalance, subbed in the sacraments permanently. Decks now at 60

>>49356097
D&T/E&T is really interactive
A more control oriented deck like Nahiri or even U/UW Tron could be good for that too

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>>49356097

spellweaver helix

i'm not joking

>4 helix
>4 loam
>4 ravens crime
>3 flame jab
>4 faithless looting
>2 time stretch
>1 worldfire
>3 stinkweed imp
>4 grisly salvage
>4 gitaxian probe
>3 insolent neonate

some hard removal for your sideboard like abrupt decays, a couple ghost quarters for abusing with loam and a couple buried ruin in your mainboard to get back helix if/when you dredge it, and fill out with your jund mana base of choice (SOME fetches for loam for sure though)

it loses to the super heavy aggro meta and has a fairly decent variance, but it's interactive, fun, and has the spellslinging down pat. you win by slamming a helix on 4 and retracing a spell tied to time stretch, and you get infinite turns until you can drop another helix tied to a Flame Jab and Worldfire, and retrace flame jab. sometimes you can just do flame jab worldfire outright.

I'm not so hung up on this deck as it is right now, but it has a lot of good matchups, a really incredibly flashy win condition that beats infinite life, and it has lots of different play paths.

i made this short webm to visualize the wincon, let me know if it's up your alley

>>49356078
Mono white and g/w are putting up the most results unless I'm missing something.

>>49361068
Why do you keep posting this meme? We told you like 8 threads ago why its bad.

>>49361068
>it loses to the super heavy aggro meta
And any artifact hate
And grave hate
And basically anything
Stop

>>49361609
That's the case to my knowledge as well, although the monowhite lists will sometimes incorporate eldrazi as well. That said with that type of deck the splash color is a huge meta call, so the results of any 1 deck will vary by location, monowhite or GW could be the most reliably good, but BW could get a lot of mileage in a meta with a lot of combo for instance

You all got your playset of Sword of the Meek, right?

>>49361623
>why do you keep doing a meme
Golly gee anon, look the word up some time.

>>49361068
Daaaaamn dude that is sick! Now we need a webm of somebody tapping 18 lands to rev for 15!

>>49361725

>any artifact hate
you mean instant artifact hate which they need to have in hand vs reusable discard
the only really destructive artifact hate is ancient grudge

>and grave hate
dredge folds to grave hate

>>49361818
>dredge folds to grave hate
Dredge is much better than this shit

Raven's crime is hardly effective at getting the cards you want taken away

>>49361768

>>49361725
>>49361623
>>49361768

and please note that he said "what sort of deck could i play that would feel like a fun spellslinging more or less casual deck"

you sound upset I didnt tell him his girlfriend to proxy burn or infect

>>49361841

raven's crime and life from the loam is

>>49361818
Your deck folds to a lot of hate cards, like goblin guide, glistener elf, and cranial plating.

>>49361871

>folds to aggro
you think this guy is playing top tier aggro at kitchen table vs his girlfriend?

>glistener elf
flame jab and loam begs to differ, good luck getting in without burning pumps to save your dude. the only card in infect that scares me is blinkmoth, and you can repeatedly kill elves, heirarch, snap, bob, clique, any number of relevant 1 toughness dudes.

>>49361920
Why are you so emotional about your special snowflake brew? Why do you post in every thread looking for validation and then get upset when people tell you its bad? Why aren't you actually playing your deck instead of trying to convince everyone its the best thing ever?

>>49361990

if you got emotional out of that post, and you think Im trying to convince people its the best thing ever, i don't know what to tell you. you got a (you) out of me?

>why aren't you actually playing it
because i've played it for a long time and I post about it once every few threads, this just happened to be a legitimate answer for someone looking for an off kilter modern deck for less-competitive play.

>>49361763
No because kaladesh won't make thopter swords suddenly top tier. That ub aetherborn isn't the magical missing link.

>>49361920
>flame jab and loam begs to differ

I counter them and rev for 15.

>>49361068
lol, I just realized your worldfire combo dies to snap bolt. You literally can't go off against a blue deck with 4 mana or you risk insta losing.

>>49362728
You should try rereading Worldfire.

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>it's a jund loses to esper gifts episode

>start to play affinity again
>actually have fun with it

Why have I put it aside for so long?

>>49364136
There's something about Affinity that just feels good when it's going off. Emptying all the cards from your hand onto the battlefield and having all the synergistic parts snap together into a working machine is simply an enjoyable process to play out.

>>49356097
Just play G/R tron pre eye-ban, she'll love it. I'm basically not allowed to play it at my LGS anymore because noone likes it.

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>>49361920
>My super brew tier 0 deck can smash all t1 decks, supersikrit tech, you can't prove me wrong fagge, even when i use subpar cards

>>49364393
Wasn't Eldrazi like tier 0?

>>49364416
Is your deck eldrazi?
Do you have 8 sol-lands effects?
You can generate 3 or more mana like Eye of Ugin + Urborg?
No
6/10 made me reply

>>49364416
it was tier -1
tier 0 implies other decks at least exist in the format

>>49364464
I'm not the guy you replied to in the first place I was just asking a curious question. maybe it was wrong to reply to you specifically, I'm just tired, s..sorry.

>>49364227
Turn one cranial plating is so satisfying, and seeing an opponent try to figure out the best way to deal with a ravager is quite nice also. guess I sometimes just have to stop playing a deck for a while to discover how fun it is again.

>>49364566
I just got tired of people just locking me out with stony silence instead of having a fun game

>>49364636
Play wear and tear in your sideboard?

>>49364636
If they have it then they have it. The highs and lows of playing Affinity.

>>49364671
It's not worth playing Wear and Tear in your sideboard for SS.

>>49364689
It would depend right? If almost everyone at your lgs plays it then wear/tear would be preferable over ancient grudge wouldn't it?

>>49364702
Sure, but for Wear and Tear to be good you need a Glimmervoid, or have the insight to leave W up, which would potentially require you to stunt your board development, your opponent to have SS, and you need to have a hand capable of winning. It's a shot in the dark and drawing Wear and Tear when your opponent doesn't have SS is terrible. It's a versatile card, certainly, but Affinity wants high impact sideboard cards.

>>49364794
Oh, yes I understand that. Reminds me that I still need a decent sideboard for my deck, I have grafdiggers cage, thoughtseizes and spellskites lying around and the rest doesn't look too expensive from what I'm seeing.

>playing bogles
>guy can't get to a lili on turn 3 and loses on turn 4
>next game, board in leyline
>he concedes when it comes down at the start of the game
hehaheha

Guys If I have 120 USD to spend, what should I get for a decent investment

>>49365780
Lands

>>49365818
anything specific or just get a playset of all fetch land

>>49365883
>playset of all fetch land
>120
Lmao

>>49365925
of course that not possible, I just wondering if that person meant to aim for getting Fetchland first- starting with the 120 and slowing getting the rest later

>>49365968
Well what deck you want to play?

>>49365991
well currently I have a complete Naya burn cause I had most of the cards.

It more like I have a coupon for 120 usd in a local store and I dont know what to do with it

I am building affinity but I got most of the expensive shit inkmoth/mox/ ravenger etc

>>49366045
Fetchlands are good because they're low now and stand only to get more expensive as time goes on.

>>49366135
MM17

Been testing some shit, anyone got any suggestions?
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Oath of Nissa
2 Primeval Titan
4 Sakura Tribe Elder
3 Anger of the Gods
1 Inferno Titan
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Through the Breach
4 Path to Exile
1 Lightning Helix
4 Nahiri, the Harbinger
25 Lands

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>>49366418

>>49366304
They're going to reprint the Zendikar fetches before you ever have to worry about reprinting the Allied fetches again.

Post bug in the RUG lists

would... would you guys be interested in watching a stream of xmage games?

>>49366684
No. Everyone just plays their shitbrews that are nothing but a waste of time and a bye for anything remotely competitive

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>>49366812
>>49366812

New thread

>>49344169
Its at least half cheaper iirc

>>49343095
jesus i have like 9 of those.
didnt realize they spiked

>>49364393

>strawman

nice