MtG Kaladesh Spoiler Discussion

Still waiting for UR Artificer commander edition
Aether Revolt when?

>>49327034
>Saheeli took that spot just like arlinn took the RG legendary werewolf slot

Saheeli is a Mythic, she can't have taken a spot in a Rare cycle.

>>49327071
this

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>>49327119
wouldn't be the first time

>>49327104
It never really struck me how much like a jew MaRo looks like until now

>>49327040
Buddy this is a fucking staple in Memnarch.

You're almost guaranteed to have the highest CMC artifacts, so have fun drawing.

>>49327119
>>49327161

I guess we'll get our commander until fuck knows when

>>49327175
Dunno, any big mana deck at the table can run Blightsteel and green can just tutor Homeward Path and keep bringing it back every time you kill it.

Red is shit and won't get a single playable card that isn't meant to go into a 3 color midrange deck.

first for red gets nerfed from now on

>>49327040
>padeem
>not pajeet

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>>49327166
There's some good pictures of him in that video.

>>49327217
>>49327207
What do people expects when the most complicated mechanic in standard is to put a +1/+1 counter on target creature

>>49327281
it's a lady vedalken. pajeet is a dude's name.

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Here's the full for the new art of painter

>>49327317
I'm pretty sure that's a guy. They talked about him in the UR.

>>49327201
*almost guaranteed, anon.

Lattice and Golem will help that. I run Homeward as a counter in case i face another memnarch as well.

Sure Blightsteel's a big guy, which is why there's loads of removal for those big dudes.

But as a 1/99 padeem easily fits.

>>49327217
>next block will feature the following card
>(2)(R) Instant
>deal 3 damage to target creature or player
>a few blocks later it gets reprinted but as a sorcery

>>49327217

This just in: burn spells are bad on a plane where burn spells are illegal, news at 11

>>49327311
Is he.. is he taking a bath in rose water?

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>>49327350
Yes, he is.

>>49327332
Yeah, really like Padeem, he's nice and simple.

>>49327356
>doesn't even has haste
Burn is deeeeeeeeeeeeed

>>49327317
>>49327326
I was wrong, sorry.

>Padeem rested her chin on the tips of her fingers. "All right, Inventor Rashmi, impress me."

>>49327356
so, a red 2/3 for 1 as soon as i play Pia?
Into the Brew it goes

>>49327326
they talked about her in a UR
>Padeem rested her chin on the tips of her fingers. "All right, Inventor Rashmi, impress me."

>>49327326
>I'm pretty sure that's a guy.

>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/time-innovation-2016-08-31
>"Padeem promised me she would give you an audience if it works."

>>49327356
>1/2
>not 2/1

come on. give it haste and make it cost one more or something. Red wants damage not defense.

>>49327388
>>49327387
yea i was wrong, sorry
>>49327382

>>49327356
It's artifact kird ape that's slightly better sans artifact

>>49327336

That's a shitty excuse for red's consistently declining power.

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>>49327356
>no haste
>orinthopter isn't standard legal

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>>49327395

>>49327382
>>49327387
>>49327388
Jesus this art deserves to be put into one of those bait "This is how the west draws women/this is how the japanese draw women" images

>>49327403
But we will probably get a really cool ornithopter masterpiece (tm) in æther revolte! :^)

>>49327356
>even aggressive red guys have big butts
seriously starting to worry here guys.

>>49327403

Dude its a fucking kird ape, one of the best 1 drops in magicase, are you seriously this retarded

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>>49327333

Haha..hah....ha

>Captcha: STOP

>>49327418
he slipped my mind for a moment there, sorry.

>>49327424
It's a Kaladesh Inventions™, anon

>>49327424
To be honest, I'd actually like a ridiculously ostentatious Ornithopter.

>>49327434
>One of the best one drops?
Compared to what? Deathrite shaman? Goblin Guide? Sol ring? Monastery swifstpear? Wild Nactl? Mother of Runes?

>>49327437
I'm at a loss of words, I can't even make jokes about red being bad because stuff like this exists.

>>49327423
it's an old aristocratic woman

it's also a vedalken

>>49327356
I'LL TAKE IT
AT THIS POINT I'LL FUCKING TAKE IT
TWO POWER ON MY ONE DROP IS FINE WITH ME
No really though, people ran fucking Firedrinker Satyrs and shit in the past, this card is totally acceptable at a 2/3

>>49327040
I never fucking noticed Vedalkens had 6 fingers

>>49327452
ornithopter reprint would be sweet

>>49327423
>old, wrinkly non-human in close focus with face paint
>gender markers are vague at best
i mean, it's a reasonable image. i feel like it should be this is how the west draws women vs this is how japan draws men.

>>49327459
Only on Kaladesh.

>>49327459

It's just on Kaladesh. Vedalken tend to vary quite a bit between planes.

>>49327459
Only on Kaladesh.

>>49327501
apparently blue skin and no lips are the only vedalken standard, kaladesh is also the first plane where they have hair.

>>49327451
>sperging this much

>>49327514
phyrexian marauder

>>49327514
there is this deck called affinity that you could look up, anon

>>49327517
>Thanks for proving me wrong, you must be a sperg
I forgot to ad Delver of secrets and Nimble mongoose, sorry

>>49327514
Herbal Poultice?
Fountain of youth?

>>49327528

>0
>X
>...0
>...X

REALLY MAKES THOSE NEURONS FIRE ELECTROCHEMICAL SIGNALS

>>49327514
Blacker lotus

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>>49327526
Only on Kaladesh.

>>49327531
Excuse you, memnites and ornithopters are great. with cranial plating

>spergs bitching about aggressively costed red cards last thread
>WAHHH magic is dead, read is getting worse and worse
>1 mana 2/3 at uncommon

Get fucked

They're probably still going to bitch until zoo top 8's this protour

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>all these guys bitching about the lack of red support
You do realize that the next set is going to be all the pyromancers that aren't allowed in Kaladesh, right? Probably a G/R theme from the looks of things with Bolas grixis support.

>>49327452
>Memnite exists
How about not.

>>49327587
>Young pyromancer reprint
>But is useless cause there aren't any good 1 mana instant and sorceries

>>49327587
It's going to suck though. They'll make some giant red burn spell or boardwipe that's gonna be some overcosted underwhelming piece of shit and they'll act like it's a game changer.

>>49327622
>Blasphemous Act gets reprinted
>can't reduce the casting cost of it though

Its totally fair guys

>>49327585

>he thinks a red 1 mana, conditional 2/3 is a good red creature

>>49327514
Darksteel relic?

>Vedalken
...so in one plane they have 2 arms
In another they have 4
In another they have 6 fingers
In some they have no nose
In others they have nose
In some they're bald
In others they aren't bald

So they basically they're blue humanoid like, that's the only common trait, right?

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What kind of retarded pose is this?

>>49327587

The real problem is that there was no good red support in the NuZendikar sets.

Red is going to be surviving ENTIRELY on cards out of NuInnistrad for another 3 months.

>>49327694

a blue humanoid with high affinity for artifacts.

>>49327696
She wants to be a plant

>excited for Vedalken planeswalker
>it's the most boring 4 mana "safe" planeswalker ever made

>>49327696
she looks like she's doing the cabbage patch

>>49327731
She can gather my seed if you know what I mean.

>>49327733
Then they really hit the feel of the character.

>>49327542
I'm not even the original anon you replied to but you mentioning the best one drops in the history of the game does not change the fact that Kird Ape is still among the top

>>49327201
>>49327332
There's also the fact that Memnarch can just take control of Homeward Path.

>>49327725
>affinity for artifacts
Except when they don't, see Ravnica ones

>>49327356
>this is uncommon

Is magic dead? Why the fuck would this be uncommon?

>>49327565
>>49327576
oh my bad I thought he was being sarcastic

>>49327763
Yeah i run homeward path in my memnarch deck as a precaution/answer to other memnarchs.

>>49327696
Something out of Avatar, The Last Airbender, or both.

>>49327696
She's clearly twerking for the plants

>>49327785
I don't think you understand.
>Play Homeward Path against Memnarch, get a creature back
>Memnarch's turn
>Memnarch takes control of your Homeward Path and can steal everything you have with impunity again
If you actually run into a mirror matchup it would just turn into tug-of-war

>>49327696
she's socially dumb, read the story.

>>49327356
I'll take it. Bfz artifacts gonna be RW artificer tribal and I like it.

Why does this set abuse the ORANGE+BLUE combination so much?

>>49327696
BECOME ONE WITH THE TREES
>>49327694
Pretty much. They also tend towards a specific body style but generally speaking theyre just blue people.

>>49327356
>doesn't have haste
>doesn't have any keywords
>offensive creature has a bigger butt
>uncommon

Christ at this rate they are gonna reprint gutshot as a mythic rare

>>49327834
Because the world is bright and colorful!

>>49327815
Yeah i do understand. Sorry I should have been clearer. Not just memnarch but other joyriders - should they get out before Memnarch.

>>49327834
Because Magic REALLY wants to make a movie

>>49327696
It's weird how they jumped from "you're a planeswalker and explore the planes" to "these guys are the super special planeswalkers"

This is the first card that fetches a specific planeswalker right?

>>49327815
I just blow it up and bring it back because G.

>>49327356
It's basically a 1 mana 2/3. This combined with the 1 white mana 3/2 with an artifact will be the backbone of an aggro deck in standard. FINALLY, an aggro deck. Like, an actual real one. Holy shit.

>>49327845
It's a Kird Ape. It's fine. It's not breaking any records and it still depends on there being enough usable 0-2 drop artifacts (bone saw?) but its fine. it doesn't have the toughness to be defensive. There's probably some system they have that allowed them to give it some extra points somewhere but not enough leeway to leverage it into power or give it haste or whatever so they opted to give it the extra toughness.

>>49327883
>FINALLY, an aggro deck. Like, an actual real one. Holy shit.
Just miss white weenies in standard or...?rr

>>49327886
>0-2 drop artifacts
The 1 mana 1/1 with haste and card draw.

>>49327880
Sounds baller as hell, what do you use to blow it up/get it back? Something else and Life from the Loam?

>>49327902
I'm afraid 1/2s that let you pay 2 mana to draw a card aren't aggressive cards. I assume you only started playing since Battle for Zendikar?

>>49327886
The number of idiots in here who can't accept that every card can't be goblin guide is insane.

>>49327903
I think I said "enough". There has to be "enough" good artifacts. and I put 0-2 but I actually meant 0 or 2 since they'll have the most synergy with it,t

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>>49327696

just imagine
>last important rare will be spoiled on thursday
>it's collected company

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>>49327876
Yea, it's just in the new planeswalker decks

>>49327928
I can see artifacts that prevent blocking being good, assuming there's some here. They usually cram some in for limited.

>>49327923
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13472&d=279186&f=ST
Are you telling me this isn't an "aggressive" deck?

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thoughts on Kaladesh so far? I like artifact decks in EDH so I can't complain about what we have so far

>>49327950
>Terrain Elemental flavortext
Is Nissa literally autistic?

>>49327886
>0-2 mana artifacts
What are Clue tokens, Alex.

>>49327696
>>49327997
You tell me

>>49327997
She is flowerkin don't trigger her pls.

Have the released the art for the sword of light and shadow yet? It's gorgeous, but the card pics keep mucking it up.

>>49327950
>a 4/4 with reach for 4 that requires you to have a Planeswalker out to even be efficient

This is so jank and bad

>>49328034
We've been over this before the planeswalker deck cards are intentionally bad, don't expect them to be good and you won't be disappointed.

>thoughts on Kaladesh so far?

Overall it looks decent

Permanent addition of Expeditions is kinda autistic and I feel like it'll be little special when its literally every set

Vehicles seem cute

Energy looks like splice into the arcane 2

Wizards still hates red and blue so I'm ready for standard to be Magic the Greenining Volume 2: Value Grind edition

Why couldn't we have gotten a UR artifact commander instead of a mediocre planeswalker

>>49327911
Basically, though anything that's not LfL costs me cards which means I have to kill Memnarch asap because all he needs is mana.

>>49327953
You fucking bet I am you actual cuckold.

>1 mana 1/2
>2 mana 2/2
>1 mana 1/1 that flips if you don't attack with another creature either

Seriously this is not aggro, this is just a shitty weenie list with anthems and some tribal support. There's nothing really aggressive about it. There's no haste, nothing that can go to face.

The last real competitive aggro deck in standard dropped a 2/2 on turn 1, then gave it +3/+0 and menace on turn 2. Don't even compare that pile of shit to an aggro deck faggot.

>a couple of sideboard cards for modern
>absolutely abysmal mechanics and gimmicks for standard

Kaladesh seems to be one of the worst constructed set in a while. Hell, even drafting doesn't seem fun. I seriously hope the full spoiler will unveil some hidden gems at common.

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>>49328074
>Magic the Greenining Volume 2: Value Grind edition

How horrifying.

>>49327322
Pajeet can only turn Swamps into Swamps. The shitting streets are designated, remember?

>>49328093
>White Weenie is an aggro archetype
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/White_Weenie
Get over it

>>49328097
>absolute worst

That's not bushido or devoid, anon.

Podracing seems pretty fucking simple.

And fucking Affinity gets Kird Ape as if it needed it.

Get lupine prototype and podrace the night away.

>>49328118
>that pic
Literally evolved to be extinct, when an animal is endangered by fucking bunnies you know that animal is shit.

>>49328127
>Affinity gets Kird Ape

You seriously believe Affinity would run this trash inventor card ? It's not even an artifact. I would play a second set of ornithopters before playing this shit.

>>49327993

I don't like it at all.

Low-powered, durdly, almost every card that seem remotely aggressively costed is conditional in some way.

Maybe it's just because I'm a Redfag, but aside from the new Chandra there has been absolutely nothing to excite me yet.

>>49328121
Fine, he puts a poo counter on swamps.

>>49328127

>And fucking Affinity gets Kird Ape

Fucking kek

Affinity isn't running that turd of a card.

>>49327336
>burn spells = pyromancy

I don't even like burn but there's literally no reason they can't refluff lightning strike in any plane.

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MY EYES! THE GOGGLES! THEY DO SOMETHING!

>>49328184
i think you mean affinity isn't running that turd ape of a card

>>49328125
>mtgsalvation
Found your problem. Legacy white weenies (see: D&T) is more disruption than aggro. Does Mother of Runes look aggressive to you? How about Rishadan Port? The Modern version is just a poor imitation of the Legacy version. In Standard the deck is literally running 1 mana 1/1s and 1/2s, and instead of stopping and thinking, you're reverting back to definitions on mtgsalvation.

>>49328197
naisu desu ne

>>49328197
The catch is you want to play the artificiers BEFORE the goggles so they can attack earlier.

>>49328197
>the red creature becomes a vanilla 3/5

In the future all magic cards will be 1/100s so no creatures ever die

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>>49328197
HNNNGGGG

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for EDH purposes, what are some dwarves in Boros colors that mite be fun to use?

>>49328197
Looks nice, but too bad it sucks.
>No card advantage
>Small butts
>in Midrange: The tappening

>>49328212
Look, I can find any number of references to white weenie as an aggro deck. mtgtop8 lists Death and Taxes as an aggro deck in Legacy. If I cared enough to prove someone who is clearly in denial or is being intentionally dense I could find every instance of white weenie as an archetype is defined as aggro. But there's clearly no point after that post. You're clearly the one with a wrong-headed idea of what an "aggro" card has to look like.

>>49328231
OH sheEEIITTT
THIS CARD HAS A PURPOSE

>>49327437
>>49327453
This is a strictly better ghostfire tho

>>49328155
I'm almost curious to try out Bomat Courier, but I doubt it'll stick. If it had flying instead of haste, it might have been a different story.

>>49328324
>sorcery speed

>>49328250
>>49327974

>>49328155
People said this about Lupine Prototype and they've been mathematically proven wrong.

I see nothing wrong with a turn 1 2/3 that at the very least chumps, hits, and can survive.

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>>49327071
>tfw no EDH viable Mishra Ever

>This new spoil is going to totally bust Affinity wide open!

Best meme of this spoiler season.

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Today the Fair's judges are proud to announce that Himmat Neela is the winner of the Animal Constructs: Miniatures Division. Himmat was a fan-favorite from the start; many have marveled at his work in the Greenwheel garden domes and fallen in love with his handcrafted creations. This lifecrafter did not disappoint. His miniaturized young elk design is elegantly simple, yet captures the nuances of life and the essence of the wild. Himmat's design will make an excellent companion for construct-lovers of all ages, and we're eager to see it enter mass production.

>>49328351
Lupine Prototype is objectively bad in affinity

Fuck off retard

>>49328359
The EDH viable Mishra is Mishra. There are plenty of silly tricks you can do with Mishra's ability.

>>49328366
Cute!!

>>49328351
>>People said this about Lupine Prototype and they've been mathematically proven wrong.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-affinity-8972#paper

What the fuck are you talking about? No fucking version of affinity runs dog bot.

>>49328366
When asked about his process, Himmat told our Department of Inquiry, "Nature is the greatest artificer, and to do this piece justice I had to stop and listen to what nature had to say, and allow it to teach me once again." Originally hailing from the outskirts of Peema, Himmat expressed recent difficulty in truly connecting with the natural world, even in the gardens of Greenwheel. His search for his lost bond took him to the Cowl, the wild strip of forest running through the heart of Ghirapur. "I spent two weeks in the Cowl living in the wild, just relishing in the wonder of the plants and animals around me," Himmat explained. "I paid attention to what they were silently saying. Their subtle motions inspired me, and I found myself reaching, as they did, toward aether with every step, every movement. When I could navigate the forest with my eyes closed, that's when I knew it was time to craft again." Thanks to his extended stint in the Cowl, Himmat nearly missed the submission deadline for the Fair, but after seeing the results of his efforts we couldn't be more pleased that he made it in time.

The Consulate is proud to honor the work of an inventor who has brought joy and wonder to the visitors of the Greenwheel domes for years. We hope his work inspires a generation of new lifecrafters.

>>49328351
That's why lupine isn't played in any competitive affinity build right ?

1 mana NON ARTIFACT 2/3 is too slow for affinity.

>>49328351
>they've been mathematically proven wrong

It's been mathematically proven that Prototype is easy enough to activate. The problem is, it's been practically proven that Affinity doesn't want a 2 mana 5/5 that's stuck on the ground.

Prototype doesn't contribute to your gameplan more than any of your existing creatures.

>>49328359
Hey, I just remembered... we have 4 color commanders this year and they've had enough time to see the research that returning old lore characters was hugely popular during M14. Maybe we get 4 color Phyrexianized Mishra? Artificer Prodigy wasn't even the iconic look for Mishra so maybe?

>>49328296
>mtgtop8 lists Death and Taxes as an aggro deck in Legacy
Because "disruption" isn't on there.

>>49328127

>lupine is mathematically right
>kird ape
>podrace

WOTC shill fuck off, you know nothing about how Affinity wins.

Protip: Read Plating, Ravager and Inkmoth Nexus

>>49327845
Just give it super special goggles to make it a red 3/5

>>49328450
>Phyrexianized Mishra?
So, regular Mishra?

>>49328212
>legacy weenies is more disruption than aggro
>therefore no weenie deck is aggro
you realize you're retarded, right?

>>49328479

>Guys
>It's a red 3/5
>for 2

kek that's barely passable in limited. This set is going to be cancer to draft isn't it?

>>49328385
>objectively
>more useful earlier in the game than some 3 drops.
He also dodges Stony Silence completely. So at the very, very worst, he's a perfectly viable sideboard inclusion.

http://www.channelfireball.com/home/magic-math-lupine-prototype/

>>49328396
>no one competes yet
>must be bad
If I followed that train of thought I wouldn't consider half the shit that is now commonplace inclusions. Forward thinking >>>>> living in the now.

I just walked into my LGS and wizards sent them a huge ass airship thing. IT IS OVER 4 FEET LONG. Construction might end tonight.

>>49328110
>>that feels.jpg
why?

>>49328515

>"I'm smarter than every competitive Affinity player"

Feel free to shut up and stop embarrassing yourself at any time.

>>49328465
"Disruption" in context is aggro you idiot. "aggro" isnt just derping out the biggest power creatures and burning for game. Aggressive decks can be aggressive by impeding opponents' tempo and beating them before they can stop stumbling besides just being fast enough to win before the opponent can play cards inherently.

>>49328074
>Energy looks like splice into the arcane 2
You're retarded.

Every energy card works by itself

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>>49328450
>Phyrexianized Mishra
>Not Mishra, Father of Machines

>>49328507
Yes. Artificer Prodigy wasn't regular Mishra. It was a young Mishra before he'd gotten his Phyrexian endoskeleton.

>>49328515
Nigga it's been 3 months since EM came out and not a singe affinity deck with lupine has won even a testing league in modo, let it go.

Are are you one of those retards that still thinks that Origins draw 7 is "THE MOST BUSTED SHIT IN AFFINITY EVARRRRRR"?

>>49328515

Results nigger.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13465&d=279123&f=MO
Modern PPTQ - Dublin
0 Lupine

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13479&d=279238&f=MO
Modern PPTQ - Krypton comics
0 Lupine

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13424&d=278782&f=MO
2016 World Championship (Modern)
0 Lupine

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13391&d=278535&f=MO
Grand Prix Lille 2016
0 Lupine

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13400&d=278601&f=MO
Grand Prix Indianapolis 2016
0 Lupine

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13400&d=278602&f=MO
0 Lupine

A search of Lupine Prototype shows 0 results. Never talk about Affinity ever again

>>49328561
And interact with a large number of cards, instead of just a fraction of sorceries and instants.
And don't require you to have both cards in hand and use in a specific order.

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Old magic is fucking edgy

>>49328561
Like how every card with splice into arcane (save Evermind) can work by itself?

>>49327923
I assume you think standard should have decks on par with modern power levels, complete with competitively dominant RDW and aggro builds in every block?

>>49328546
>Pia (and no Kiran) Nalaar
>sad dad mural

>>49328550
Who says anything about being smarter than?

My point is, at a time, inclusions that are now common sense previously had no place.

You could potentially cast this on turn 1 5/5 and have him already hellbent.

Competitive players are just people, anon. Stop sucking their dick and don't be obtuse for the sake of shitposting. Another perfect reason as to why there aren't decks is the forumla's been concrete for years so there's a comfort zone attached to that.

Denying LP's potential as an inclusion, even as a sideboard as a possible answer to other things is flat out ignorant.

>>49328642
Live fast and Die young as well to some degree.

>>49328627
Work totally.

You cant splice without an arcane

an energy card has every part of it relevant in every time its played

If anything they are LESS parasitic versions of charge counters

>>49328619
You confuse my statement. I'm not saying that Mishra is Yawgmoth. I'm implying that he somehow survived the Destruction of Phyrexia and reinstates himself as the New father of Machines

>>49328646
>You could potentially cast this on turn 1 5/5
>you could potentially
>potentially

You are bad at magic

Please stop

>>49328627
Except they can't, because you need a second copy of the card to splice into. You need two cards, both in hand at the same time, to use splice.
You can just play an energy card and use energy.
If you keep the energy, then another energy card can use it whenever you happen to draw and play it.

>>49328646

See
>>49328609

RESULTS NIGGER

>>49328680
>Except they can't, because you need a second copy of the card to splice into. You need two cards, both in hand at the same time, to use splice.
You are aware you can cast spells with splice into arcane on them normally, right?

>>49328561
MaRo literally said Energy is parasitic

And he's right

>>49328701
Yeah, but then you aren't using the splice part. You can play an energy card by itself and still use the energy-cost part.

>>49328646
>there's a comfort zone attached to that.

Is the comfort zone...winning?

Kill yourself

>>49328701
Then the ability does nothing.
Whereas with energy the energy dies something.

Splice was an ability that could easily be a blank. Energy is very unlikely to be a blank.

>>49328637
For the longest time, standard had always had red aggro decks that topped their curve at 4. Then Khans of Tarkir hit, Wizards fucked up hard, and slow green decks have dominated standard since. Recently they haven't even bothered printing aggressive red cards. Lighting Strike is now considered too powerful.

>>49328156
>Maybe

It is absolutely because you're a redfag and you can't stand the fact that you can't autopilot your way to a win.

>>49328672
Explain how you can't, faggot? For someone who turns their nose as high as you, you don't understand how that could actually happen.

Not sure why people want red to be good. Its the mt boring color possible. It could be removed from the color pie and improve the overall quality of the game.

>>49328729
that would imply you're guaranteed to lose, which is something you cannot prove.

And please, after you, faglord.

>>49328738
>Khans fucked it up.
So that red deck with a little green splash that topped out at 4 totally didn't win a pro tour during that block.

>>49328699
Yeah that's cool man no one has played it yet. That's super neat, and totally proves it will never see play ever.

Kill yourself

>>49328770
I'm not saying you can't

I'm just saying it's fucking stupid to make one of the most consistent modern decks into a "gee I sure hope I can dump my entire hand turn 1 so I can use this one card that provides minor advantage"

Lupine Prototype will never be used in any good Affinity list. Enter your own Modern tournament with your autistic affinity brew and try to get 1st to prove me wrong

>new phyrexia returns
>recast as a domineering patriarchal institution
>new father of machines revealed
[spoilerp>burned to the ground by Chandra in one block[/spoiler]

>>49328826

I assume you're trolling at this point because no one can possibly be this retarded.

When Ensoul Artifact was released, it was a huge thing to test it out in Affinity. It turned out to be alright, but people wanted a more consistent version of affinity rather than a dumb ol' 5/5. Why does that sound familiar?

>muh comfort zone
Nigga there's way you're for real. Affinity is one of those decks that constantly uses new tech, due to the 5c nature of the deck.

>>49328852
It's not even a gee moment. It happens more often than not, and even if I didn't it's still a turn 2 5/5 that resists electrolyze, bolt, pyroclasm and stony silence.

i think a set of this would be illadvised, but definitely 1 or 2 ofs will absolutely fit.

>>49328911
The bigger difference with ensoul is that you're already enchanting an artifact. Dogbot at least makes use of you emptying your hand anyway.

>>49328916

It doesn't. Read the article. The only way for Lupine to get hellbent at any appreciable amount of time is to run a lower powered version of robots.

>On turn 2 - Hellbent in 20% of games
>On turn 3 - Hellbent in 54% of games
>On turn 4 - Hellbent in 82% of games
>On turn 5 - Hellbent in 94% of games

Affinity normally WINS by turn 5 by itself without Lupine. It's a winmore card.

>>49327040
It looks like a solid edition to my 5 color super friends EDH deck

Not to mention, what a LIMITED BOMB!

I cant wait to windmill slam first pick this solid limited card in draft :)

>>49328738
And there will be an aggressive red deck here. It just won't be top tier, like all of the assblasted redfags want. Welcome to magic, take a seat next to blue and black while they wait for wizards to strip white and green of everything that defines them, too.

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>>49329006
Even if I know you are shitposting it still hurts to know that the majority of the mtg fanbase thinks like that

>>49328826
>>49328796
GUYS GUYS I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING. WORLDFIRE IS ABSOLUTELY BUSTED IN MODERN BURN. LEGACY BURN TOO!

I MEAN SURE, NO PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS HAVE EVER USED IT LIKE THAT, IT LOGICALLY DICTATES THAT IT WOULD NEVER EVER EVER BE GOOD IN BURN BUT TRUST ME, IT'S LITERALLY (>>49328646) 'COMMON SENSE' BUT IT 'PREVIOUSLY HAD NO PLACE' SO NO ONE TRIED IT.

IT HASN'T HAD ANY SHOWINGS OR TESTINGS BUT I DID SOME MATH AND, ASSUMING YOU DON'T DO ANY DAMAGE AT ALL TO YOUR OPPONENT AND YOU DIDN'T TAKE ANY DAMAGE FROM YOUR OPPONENT AT ALL YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIRTY EIGHT (!!!) DAMAGE FOR ONLY NINE (!!!) MANA. THAT'S MORE THAN 4 DAMAGE PER MANA MAKING IT MORE MANA EFFICIENT THAN, WAIT FOR IT, FUCKING LIGHTNING BOLT.

IT'S JUST SIMPLE MATH!

>>49328515
>>49328646
You know what I'd rather board against Stony Silence than Protoype? Something that kills Stony Silence.

>>49328975
True. I did read the article.

I thought to replace 3 drops as opposed to other 2 drops like Overseer. Again, it may be a big dumb creature but it resists bolts electrolyzes etc on its own, without relying on being pumped.

If you win habitually by turn 5 as a deck, then I don't see the trouble in having it in some capacity, again even as a side board as its fucks over anyone running stony silence.

>>49329065
Anon is right tho. The fact that a card isnt currently played doesn't mean it is a bad card. Eg. Mental Note was shit during moat od its life but then came delve and suthenly it became playable.

>>49329065
Trying way too hard, sperglord.

>hasn't had testings
>literally articles about it Prototype being tested

>>49329103
>I thought to replace 3 drops as opposed to other 2 drops like Overseer. Again, it may be a big dumb creature but it resists bolts electrolyzes etc on its own, without relying on being pumped.

So you want to replace Master, a card that already dodges Electrolyze and which typically represents free damage on Turn 3, or Etched Champion who also dodges Electrolyze and represents the greatest degree of inevitability the deck possesses, with a 5/5 who has nearly a 50% chance of doing nothing on turn 3, and gets chumped by anything.

There's a reason nobody is using it. It is not as good as existing options.

>>49329092
Lol then don't board it. Have it as a one of, as it literally won't change the tempo of the deck outside of having that answer in your main board.

>>49329103
Yes, if my opponent running Stony Silence is running literally only Stony Silence it sure does fuck them over.

If they happen to have path to exile, abrupt decay, lingering souls, or a tarmogoyf with 6 toughness on the other hand, things get a little more difficult. You would be much better off running Spell Pierce or Thoughtsieze/Inquisition to premptively get rid of Stony Silence. If that's out of the question I'd probably run Master of Etherium over Lupine Prototype.

>>49329103
>I thought to replace 3 drops as opposed to other 2 drops like Overseer.
Etched is the second best card in the deck and Master has the same (or bigger) body with upsides instead of downsides.

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>every artifact matters card revealed will constantly have people saying "OH SHIT AFFINITY TIER 0 NOW CHECK OUT MY LINK TO THE NEW HOT AFFINITY BREW"
>This will keep going into Aether Revolt too

>>49329168
Yeah, no.

>that answer
Prototype is not an answer to Stony Silence. Silence turns off several of your mana sources, which can make it much more difficult to empty your hand, so there's even a pretty good chance it gets much worse.

>>49327514
Bone saw.

>>49329123
A card can be reasonably evaluated to be a 'bad card' until new cards are introduced into a format. If Kaladesh releases a card that says 'If you control a creature named Lupine Prototype, target player loses the game' then yes, Lupine Prototype would become a good card.

As of right now, given the current cardpool in modern, it is not a good card and outside of a significant change to the modern cardpool, it will remain that way.
>>49329138
WOW THAT'S FASCINATING. EXCEPT I AM TALKING ABOUT WORLDFIRE??? I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE MENTIONING LUPIN PROTOTYPE.

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>>49328617
>literally double damage for all your creatures
>for the price of three lifepoints
Was this how Vanguard was balanced?

>>49327820
resolute blademaster and quipment

>>49327683
Apparently if it isn't 3 mana below curve with flashy effects it's a shitty card.

>>49327514

Delif's Cone.

>>49329138

The only way it goes off most of the time is turn 4, which by that time you're either winning or losing. It doesn't do anything but be a 5/5. Affinity wins by slapping a plating on an Inkmoth (flying), Thopter (flying) or Etched (protection from colors) and swinging to the fences. That is the core of the argument, it's just not very good in a deck with much better options.

Little btw here, Lupine is cmc 2, right on curve for Terminate and Abrupt Decay. And people tend to side Thoughtseizes and Spell Pierce in to take out Stony Silence. Affinity is a deck that needs every inch of its sideboard because everyone and their mom has anti-affinity tech in their side.

>>49329320
Assuming we're using modern/legacy as a context; Kird Ape is also a 2/3 when it's turned on and is arguably easier to turn on thanks to the existence of fetches + shocks. Kird Ape is definitely not awful but it wasn't good enough to do anything in modern.

>>49329303
SNAKE EYES?!

>>49329256
Dunno, might try the Kird Ape in my meme budget affinity that runs 4x Bolt/Galvanic/Shrapnel that I made for shits and giggles but that's about it.

>>49329382
Kird ape is still a completely solid card and this is only marginally worse.

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>>49327513
>No lips
They have lips on Ravnica at least.

>>49329445
Shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

>>49329445
WE WUZ BLUE N SHIET

>>49327434
Kird Ape was good when Serra Angel and Sengir Vampire were amazing bombs.
Now they print Siege Rhinos and 4/3s with upsides for 3 in green.

>>49329445

AYO HOL UP

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>>49327514
Literally no reason for your opponent to remove it. And they can't if they wanted to

>>49327513
Blue skin and just slightly not human is the standard. Original Mirrodin Vedalkens were even weirder than that but that was retconned as them having suffered mutations due to mycosynth exposure.

>>49328258
>>No card advantage
Bullshit
>Haha I have 7 cards while you have 2!
>>Swing for 38 first strike trample damage.

>>49329401
Yeah, I'd definitely say 'solid' is a good descriptor. It's not 'good' though. Or, more accurately, it's not 'good enough' for anything other than standard.

Meh. Not like every standard card is going to be seen in the top 8 of modern tournaments. I'm just here to have fun.

>>49329553
>Holy day
>Wrath of God
I have 6 cards you have 2.

>>49329619
I find myself getting increasingly less interested.

>>49329513
>>49329480
>>49329457
Doesn't this ever get old to you people?

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>>49328258
>no card advantage

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So... how do I use this correctly?

>>49329775

You don't

>>49329731
Puresteel is Card Advantage, because it gives you new cards as you play them. This is just replacing cards as you lose them. It's closer to looting or filtering than to card advantage.

>>49329775
In limited, with a deck full of cards you want to draw and cast.

>>49329775
Draw a card and donate it to your opponent.

>>49329775
ITS SHIT

>>49329775
How does this exactly work when you have one counter left? Is there something I'm missing, isn't it?

>>49329853
When a spell or ability instructs you do to things, you do as many of those things as you can.

If it says to draw a card and remove two counters, but you only have one counter on it, you draw a card and remove one counter. If there are no counters, you draw a card and remove no counters.

>>49329853
you do as much as you can, so you just remove the last counter. notably, running out of counters doesn't get rid of the enchantment so eventually you're just drawing two cards a turn with a max hand size of 0

>>49329853

You don't have 2 counters to remove so you are just stuck at 1 card maximum hand size forever.

>>49329775

It basically gives you an extra draw every turn in exchange for having to play everything on your turn.

In Limited? I can see it played, and even be a *good* card, honestly. I would rather have this than some shitty B2 2/4 vanilla bullshit creature.

>>49329775
How is this card not considered good? Just fucking cast everything. Turn 5 you can have 5 in hand, turn 6 you have 3, then only on turn 7 do you have a problem. But if you're making all 7 land drops, you can probably cast everything you draw anyway.

>>49327514
>>49327687
>>49329520
Backing up relic. It's a 4-of in my modern deck.

>>49329889
It's certainly no Harmonize.
Painful Truths is still more likely to see play.

>>49329945
What kind of meme magic are you playing?

>>49329934
it does remind me of null profusion, it hust doesn't give you enough gas to overcome the downside. while it's possible to build a deck that just plays out everything, I don't think there's much reason to play top.dec when you could just get a similar effect out of phyrexian arena or whatever else and still keep a hand.

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>>49329959
;^)

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>>49329795
I get what your saying but gas is gas and I think what we have with these cards is good enough for standard. Maybe not on the pro level but at FNM it'll be worth building.

>>49328144

I don't understand how Australia's fauna is a mix of pouch birthing retards that couldn't make it anywhere else on the planet somehow living alongside the most poisonous, dangerous shit imaginable.

>>49329775
How is 1 more mana and reduced hand size equal to 1 life a turn?

>>49330055
It's not. The problem here though is that you think Phyrexian Arena was fairly costed. There's a reason it's one of the most highly regarded black draw spells, because it's above par.

>>49330055
Phyrexian Arena is just on a long list of cards too good for Standard, I guess. We're going Hearthstone, you get more cards, but you have to cast them on your turn. None of that countering or destroying when your opponent just wants to cast his big creatures.

>>49329775
Proliferate and such for extra counters. Not really worth the extra effort.
Which is why you actually go full on hellbent with it.

>>49329983
Out of curiosity, you CAN madness during the end step discard for hand size right? Probably shouldn't be an issue as the madness cards are aggressive and aggressive decks should not be going into turn 5 and ending with end step discard but eh.

>>49328074
>Permanent addition of Expeditions is kinda "autistic"

What is this buzzword supposed to mean in this context?

>>49330080
THREE turns have to pass before phrexian arena can be considered to have produced the same value as concentrate.

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So what is this thing whit Chandra and White Walkers?

>>49330402
>>49330404
Ajani?

Fucking Ajani?

>>49330411
on the one hand I agree.
On the other hand giant lion man with an axe out of fucking nowhere does tickle me.

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>>49330402
>>49330404

how can this be legal to print?

or are they moving to a less powered card state, but with really powerful chase mythics?

>>49330447
What the fuck are you getting upset about dude.

I don't know who makes those, I was just wondering if one of them was made.

>>49330443
>1 cmc ramp plus 2 energy
sign me the fuck up

>>49330402
>white gets burn more than red lately
Also they should have saved this one for after the story.

>>49330402
so, someone recently posted spoiler art that had ajani in it, and I wondered why he was there, now this makes less sense than liliana just kicking back on innistrad doing fuck all. why is he here? no one in the gatewatch has even met him on-screen, have they? did his fucking leonin sense tingle and he decided to fuck off from theros and ruin tezzeret's day at random?

So since Ajani is there does that mean that htis block we get figging Six Wlakers again instead of Five?

>>49330473
wait, didn't her father die?

So is Ajani the new jacetice member?

>>49330463
not ramp, puts it in hand. still fixing plus EE, so probably playable.

>>49330402
>that flavor text
This is some getting-in-the-way-of-a-millenial-old-vampire-level shit right there.

>>49330489
I guess she's only throwing fireballs for the living.

>>49330402
AJANI AJANI AJANI THE OG HERO OF WHITE
FUCK YES
THAT ART IS SO GOOD TOO I DONT EVEN GIVE A FUCK IF ITS LIMITED FODDER

>>49330473
So this is forked bolt at instant for 1 more.

>>49330514
No it's not. I like it.

>>49329587
>disrupting shoal your holy day pitching terrarion
why do people play this "hurr i play x that beat u" game online.
it's fucking standard r/w artificer tribal. If it gets the support to be a real deck it'll just be like humans and slide under wraths or lose.

>>49330460
Almost strictly worse than Jace's Ingenuity. I guess you could run it in a madness deck?

>>49330473
I'm pretty bad at judging burn spells, but this one doesn't seem as awful as they could have made it. so yay.

>>49330402
THE OG WHITE WALKER RETURNS

>>49330519
>White gets their OG walker
>Meanwhile Garruk remains ignored for who knows how long

I somewhat doubt they're going to do shit with him in Amonket, though then again Ajani has literally zero place on Kaladesh so it's possible.

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>>49330473
dragons of tarkir replacement

>>49329775
use it as a poor man's outpost siege or harmless offering it.
it's a build-around card, dummy. build around it.

>>49330540
>Almost strictly worse than Jace's Ingenuity. I guess you could run it in a madness deck?
This is strictly worse pore over the pages right?

>>49330535
Congratulations on having shit tastes, I guess?

>>49330568
Not strictly, but more or less.

>>49330551
The issue is that Garruk is a villain now so they can't shove him into the jacetice league like they can with ajani so I doubt he will come back any time soon.

>>49330514
>>49330579
It's not particularly good flavor text but I do think it's a bit funny it's just "Oh yea Ajani is here for some reason"

>>49330586
I just want Bolas to found the Brotherhood of Evil Planeswalkers already.

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>>49330402
>it's a "even white gets a better bolt then red does" episode

>>>49330460
>it's a "blue can't get a playable draw spell" episode

>>49330586
Garruk was always anti-social so I don't particularly care about him being in the jacetice league. I just want him to fucking exist, preferably in a mono-green non-possessed state.

>>49330568
Pretty much
You'd be hard pressed to find a situation in which Pore isn't better.

New thread:
>>49330609
New thread:
>>49330609
New thread:
>>49330609

>>49330540
Ingenuity in particular was an instant which is much better in a control deck since you get to hold up your mana.

>>49330600

So what's next? Liliana plan doesn't account that any encounter with Gideon end in a serious cases of wanting that Beefslab?

>>49330618
this weak on things that are strictly untrue
>it's a "even white gets a better bolt then red does" episode
what do we have in this set.
Why Harness Lightning, which does 3 damage to any creature, not just attacking or blocking. and can use energy to be far more versatile.

Let's call the anon an asshat.

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>>49330600
It reads like a Jan Stenmark comic but without any of the wit.

>>49330480
I'm assumibg ajani's role is
>show up
>be a lion mana
>ROOAAAR
and therefore he doesn't get a card this block, but I could be wrong. also the only justification for him showing up is if return to theros is on the horizon, and that makes me nervous because it means merge will probably not be part of it and elspeth will continue being the worst character as she is rescued because of marysue bullshit. lion man sets expectations of the future at record lows.

>>49330472
Liliana being on Innistrad has always been fine and I don't know why people pissed themselves over it. It's her home base since she doesn't want to return to Dominaria and she was previously stated to be hiding her time to find another way to defeat her demons as she doesn't want to use the chain Veil so much. That was why she was seeking Jace and the Gatewatch to begin with and also why she joined them. It's been quite a while since Griselbrand so even without that there's no reason to think as soon as she deals with one she has to immediately go after the next. It isn't unreasonable to assume she has down time between them and Innistrad is where she would be during downtime.

I'm sure there will be some explanation for Ajani being here. Maybe in tomorrows story. I didn't think he was gonna show til Revolt. I don't know why people are suddenly taking so much issue with planeswalkers conveniently being where the story takes place. Why was Ajani on Theros to begin with?

>>49330579
"Millenial-old-vampire" was bad because the flavortext had too much going on, and playing with the "comparing Sorin to a sudden illness" as well as overdescribing him made the flavortext overwrought and hamfisted. It also had the unfortunate side effect of making Sorin look like a teenage goth girl's wet dream Gary Stu.
This one lets the overdescription stand alone as its own joke. Got any more hot opinions you'd like to share, fagtron?

>>49330631
>particular was an instant
Exactly what I love about it.

>>49330664
Not that guy, but I ignore that card simply because it uses the energy counters. I really dislike the concept so far. I fully expect Wizards to find a way to print something that shuts energy counters down.

>>49330671
I don't see any similarity at all between the posted flavor text and your image, to be honest. How do they "read" the same to you?

>>49330692
>Why was Ajani on Theros to begin with?
Wasn't he doing something with Elspeth

>>49330720
>>49330720
>Not that guy, but I ignore that card simply because it uses the energy counters
>I don't like it so it's not real.
and this is why I ignore 'red is dead' doomsayers.

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>>49330729
The almost absurd overstatedness of it. Where Stenmark is a genius when it comes to overstatedness and absurdities, however, Wizard's creative team seem to mostly end up there by accident and rather than being hilarious it ends up feeling extremely cringey.

>>49330820
But both of the examples you've shown are the opposite of overstated. They're understated, and let their accompanying illustrations do most of the work in lieu of the text. By contrast, the flavortext is aiming to be humorous via overstatement, which is why it's written like that.
It's one thing to say that a work that uses overstatement is unfunny or clumsily done, as I did above. Critiquing a work that purposefully uses overstatement for overstating something is just missing the point entirely.

>>49330979
>They're understated
I think you need exposure to something less obvious forms of enterntairnment.

>>49331033
That's not an argument. Look, the first one is humorous because the guy's trying to juggle. The text doesn't mention juggling and the image only implies it. The second one is humorous because the guy's being mocked, but the text only implies it and you have to look at the picture to notice those guys are laughing at him. As far as I'm aware, those are both examples of understatement as a humorous device in action.

The flavor text in question is
>When Baral constructed his trap for Chandra, he did not account for the arrival of an enormous leonin wielding a twin-headed axe.
Now, as far as we're aware, leonin don't exist on Kaladesh in the first place, so it's relatively obvious that Baral shouldn't have any kind of expectation of having to deal with a leonin, let alone an "enormous leonin wielding a twin-headed axe." That description right there is overstating the obvious, which is where the flavor text is attempting to find humor. It occurs to me that you could also find some humor in "arriving," which underdescribes the fact that Ajani is attacking them, but the long description of Ajani himself is where I think the main evidence lies that this is a joke based around overdescription, not under.

Now, do you have an actual argument, Anon faggot, or are you just going to call me an American or something?

Thanks for showing me these cartoons, incidentally, I really like them even if I think you're acting like a prat

>>49330402
>He did not account for an enormous talking lion
Would have been infinitely better, alas we continue with the SJW level writing where wit and banter are thought crimes and we have to drag jokes to the slaughter with verbiage and hypens.

>>49330551
Shouldn't have never raped that innocent, defenseless woman.

>>49330699
it's too long, it's really poorly written
"enormous leonin with a twin-headed axe" is way too descriptive for a punchline, just cut the 'twin-headed' and it's fine, but it does suffer from the "millenia-old-vampire" problem of egregious description, just to a lesser degree

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>>49330820
>>49330671
Now that you mention it, it does kind of read like his comics.

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>>49331325
MOTHER
FUCKING
SKY
WHALES

>>49328156
>Low-powered
Honestly that's the best possible path to take for an artifact block, look at the last 3/3 artifact blocks for more evidence as to why.

>>49332051
We've only had two, anon. Antiquities wasn't a block and Urza's was an enchantment block.

>>49332140
>Urza's was an enchantment block.
Yeah which is why some of the stupidest artifact focused shit is from Urza's.

>>49330538
>Force of will exiling storm crow. Whoops you're out of cards. Guess that leaves me with 4 cards in hand and you have an empty board with 0 cards in hand.

If you actually read the post chain you'll see that chuckles the wonderfaggot (>>49329553) was saying that it doesn't matter if your opponent has a full grip because he's apparently swinging for 38 first strike trample damage. The only time that's ever going to be anywhere close to true is in Magical Christmas Land so I demonstrated how his 'hurr card advantage doesn't matter because I have dudes on the board' mentality was, much like yourself, incredibly fucking stupid.

>>49332158
Urza's block had some really busted artifacts. That's true. The block was designed as an enchantment block nevertheless. This is an argument in your favor, however, as it shows how absolutely terrible WotC are at designing non-broken artifacts even when they aren't meant to be the focus of the block.

>>49327356
>2 crew for one mana

I'm alright with it.

>>49328366
kaladesh.com had God tier flavor

they better do this for everyyhing, atmospheric stuff is mtg'd bread and butter over regular narratives

better than UR

>>49332187
The super busted enchantments came out in Exodus, anyway.