Kaladesh Spoiler Thread

Is Standard White hatebears going to be a thing?

>>49320420
What all would go in that Thalia, this, maybe white gearhulk, what else?

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>>49320394
>mono-red's faces when

Development sure loves to dick on red.

But honestly if I was a dev I'd totally do the same, White is best color.

>>49320434
Gideon, Always Watching, Subjugater Angel, Aetherstorm Roc

>>49320631
Selfless spirit too probably.

Have we seen the Red Gearhulk yet?
Is it shit?

>>49320658
Only good in mono-red Artifact EDH.

>>49320672
How good?

>>49320658
worst keyword choice: First strike
worst red mechanic choice: punisher mechanics
and made it 6 mana. The P/T are right for 6 mana, but the rest is really bad.

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>>49320658

>>49320394
>one drop
>that effect
What the fuck? Why does it seem like White is getting so much good shit right now?

>>49320697
>>49320694
At least it got the best expedition artwork of the gearhulks.

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>>49320679

>>49320707
But anon, you said creatures were too powerful, so we printed a way to make them weaker.

>>49320707
>>49320722
it's not that amazing, because it still costs a card, and unlike Thalia doesn't provide you the ability to do anything proactive.

It might be a sideboard card if aggro becomes a thing. Which it might, we need to see what a few more of the red low drops are before we know.

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>>49320394
>this kills the aggro deck

>>49320753
However, against most aggro decks, namely red, enchantment hate is non-existent. That fucker isn't getting off the table any time soon.

>>49320762
Man, I really wish I had that kind of money.

>>49320803
good mana, especially the energy land which fits well with the energy theme that seems to be part of red aggro, and voltaic brawler, means that red aggro is going to splash green.

Don't know if the enchantment is good enough to make them put the green enchantment kill into the sideboard, but it might.

>>49320825
>not realizing it's just a fake

I swear I saw a link to a video of what the masterworks look like IRL
anyone got it?

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I rarely buy on pre-sales of new mtg expansions and if I do it's last minute or when I feel the price is super low for a powerful card but this time I bought 3 Chandras for 31 euro each.

Did I fuck up /tg/?

>>49320753
Man what the fuxk do those moonrunes even say

>>49320717
>>49320697
Actually pretty good.
Except in a monored deck or UR deck.

>>49320753
I still think it's pretty cheap for a permanent that straight up turns off Haste.
I figure this is solely to push people to use Vehicles as their means of aggro, as it's completely unaffected by this enchantment.

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I got a few standard decks /tg/ with UBR burn being my favourite.

Now a question, with Kaladesh comming out I loose Fiery Impulse x 3 from my main deck.

Should I just add 3 x Harnessed Lightning instead? Or maybe Galvanic Bombardment?

I was thinking about adding Unlicensed Disintegration and Dynavolt Tower but they just don't seem good enough to fit in.

>>49320566
KEK

>>49320394
Straight into Karlov EDH Taxes deck.

Everything is going to come Tapped and cost more no matter what. and if my opponents drop a creature Karlov is going to get like 6 1+1+ counters on the spot.

>>49320394
Can we have Twin back now?

>>49321623
Probably, she's really good but masterworks will sell the deck hard and red is utter shit in standard so she may stabilize lower than Gideon price-wise.

>>49323208
No, Twin was a total fucking cancer and the deck often sideboarded out the combo anyway.

>>49323208
>Wanting twin "i have 4 mana up at your end step, hope you have mana leak" back?

Disgusting

>>49323230
But she kinda fits jund, and might make mardu planeswalkers a deck.

Hell, I'd even put her in BR eldrazi.

Everyone that playtested her knows she's bonkers.

>>49323392
If Modern made prizes Thought-Knot Seer wouldn't be so cheap.
Chandra will stabilize somewhere between Gideon (Excellent Standard walker with Modern presence who was in a big set with desirable Expeditions) and Nahiri (Modern star, mediocre everywhere else, from an underperforming sales set)

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>>49320394
This kills the aggro.

>>49323831
>tfw was brewing an Eldrazi/Red aggro deck
This card singlehandedly killed my dreams and makes shit like Ovalchase Dragster unplayable.

>>49321623
I think it is a good bet, if she gets pricey, it will be very pricey, and if she doesn't, you won't lose much.

>>49323464
>Thought-Knot Seer wouldn't be so cheap.
Yeah. Grim flayer or Kalitas wouldn't be so cheap as well....

Ohh....

>>49321960
They both have their benefits. Personally, I'd go with Galvanic Bombardment since 1 mana > 2 mana, but Harnessed Lightning isn't a bad card, especially if you have any other energy synergy.

>>49323336
Twin was a very cheep deck, something that Modern really needs more of.

>>49323952
>if you have any other energy synergy
Not really.

Dynavolt Tower proved to be utter shit in testing.

I hope UR or UBR burn/visions survive in the upcomming standard. If not I guess it's just time once more, sadly.

>>49323997
>Dynavolt Tower is shit
I agree with this, I was testing out my deck that generates energy and 5E is really fucking expensive. People who wants to play Aetherworks marvel is overestimating how much energy you can feasibly get.

>>49323997
*jund time

>>49324088
I'm holding out hope for a land that taps for E.

>>49323208
>vessel of volatility
No

>>49324088
>People who wants to play Aetherworks marvel is overestimating how much energy you can feasibly get.
To be fair, Aetherworks is probably going in a REALLY slow deck that's going to make energy off something like the module that makes energy.

>>49320753
This card is more of what a White Weenie deck sideboards against Sligh than something any white deck boards into against an aggro deck.

>>49324146
Why would you ever play this trash in modern?

>>49323862
Actually, that card doesn't kill off the potential for vehicle decks, as vehicles are only creatures after crewing, so they'd enter untapped.

>>49324217
I was more thinking Fleetwheel but maybe I have it wrong.

>>49324217
Well, there's that one good vehicle that enters as a creature, which is bad. Plus, all the creatures you'd need to crew the vehicles come in tapped.

It might still work, but idk.

>>49324170
because Twin + Vessel > Kiki Jiki + Seething Song

>>49324170
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=240014

>>49324232
Flletwheels ability is "when it enters the battlefield, it becomes an artifact creature", which means it reads to me that it is not a creature *as* it enters the battlefield.

If the wording was "Fleetwheel ETBs as an artifact creature", it would be tapped.

But my reading is that it ETBs, then becomes a creature so is untapped

>>49324151
Modules are really slow to generate energy, since you need all 3 of them(the energy generator requires a creature ETB).

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>>49324299
>But my reading is that it ETBs, then becomes a creature so is untapped
Sweet, Red memes is still a go

>>49324301
>4, Tap: You get E

>>49320631
>Gideon, Always Watching
stalker block when

>>49320394
>Creatures your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.

Not

>Permanents your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.

Fucking worthless.

>>49324629
>1 Mana
>Your opponent spends the entire game one turn behind you
>Balanced

>>49324629
/tg/ says it's worthless, you know what that means, buy up all of the copies you can find before it skyrockets after a tournamenr

>>49324669
Increase the cost. I dont fucking care about creatures. I care about literally everything else in their deck.

>>49324691
>don't care about creatures in Creature: The Midranging

D A L W E W
A
L
W
E
W

>>49320394
>wizards prints a one mana game slower that gains life and makes thing etb tapped
>making games even slower and even more midrange hell
J U S T

>>49324691
But anon, creatures are the only permanent.

>>49324726
>Playing with creatures on standard.

lol

>>49324691
>I dont fucking care about creatures
You apparently doesn't care about winning either.

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It's not shit!

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This is actually really good tho.
It's a collorless Raging Goblin who can fill your hand when you run out of steam. Very good.

>>49324956
So this is a control card that doesn't win the game when it ult s?

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This + Haunted Dead + Prized Amalgam is gonna be a deck that exists.

>>49324977
Dude, it's an asymetrical stasis orb. It's not something to just brush off like that.

>>49324956
>gain life
>draw a card

My two favorite things

>>49325036
>gaining life
>favorite thing
Absolutely disgusting.

I agree with you about drawing cards though.

They also posted some of the cards from the planeswalker decks too you can find them here:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/exclusive-cards-planeswalker-decks-2016-09-13

>>49324956
>4 mana 3 loyalty
>Has the same formula that the last 10 PW had (+X protection, -X card advantage and ultimate)
>His ultimate, which you get for 2WU at turn 8 under the best case scenario, has the effect of a card that costs 3 generic mana only counting your opponents.


Color me meh-ed

>>49325070
Virts copypasta is slowly coming true.

>>49325052
Drawing cards is my favorite of the two, but the look on aggro players' faces when you gain just enough life to live another turn is priceless.

>>49325070
I thought that Mark "The Nose" Rosewater said that the PW tutoring cards would be generic, as in they would tutor for any chandra or Nissa.

>>49325093
Im not familiar with that, can you post it?

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Is this better than exquisite firecraft? is the extra mana worth instant speed and being able to target creatures?

>>49325119
it will be, yes.

>>49324956
Who the hell is this? Does Kaladesh have two more native walkers? Are they brand new igniters? Are they old? Have they ever left?

Normally a plane only has one native walker not fucking 3 all alive at the same time.

>>49325180
>being able to target creatures?
Firecraft could already do that?

So the obligatory set wrath card hasn't been spoiled yet, right? Unless the White gear hulk is it.

>>49325119
yes

>>49325180
Why would it matter? Firecraft is rotating. Also they are both ass

>>49325180
You can target creatures with exquisite firecraft.

>>49325180
firecraft can target creatures. extra mana really kills it, with burn you really don't want parity in damage:mana ratio.

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>>49320394
.they got based Zirngibl to design the city of Ghurour

Kaldeshi have no breaks

>>49324986
>instant-speed ichord for 2 mana that's also an artifact
Well fuck, that's going to be a $30 card, and seems pretty fucking broken. What's wizards thinking this set?

>>49324956
So this means that the walker we get in Aether Revolt (probably Tezzeret) will be black for sure, I am guessing UB for Tezz.

>>49325184
>Who the hell is this?
Read the fucking uncharted realms

>Normally a plane only has one native walker not fucking 3 all alive at the same time.
If you're talking about Tezzeret he's from Esper not Kaladesh.

>>49324986
black color identity.


SO CLOSE

>>49325214
Saheeli
Chandra
Dovin
3

>>49325209
Want to know how I know you have never played with or against Ichorid?

>>49325214
>Chandra
>Dovin
>Rai

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>>49325070
If only the red one would be 2 mana too :x

>>49325223
>>49325231
I guess, by "native" i thought you meant like people that stayed there.

>>49325184
usually we're only introduced to one or two at a time. we know innistrad has three living native walkers and dominaria is home to a billion walkers, so it happens. what we've seen suggest saheeli and baan don't routinely stray far from home though.

>>49324956
I dont get the flavor. Inst his whole power isolating weaknesses in things and either using that to iterate and make them better, or shut them down?

How does this convey that?

Wouldnt a riff on Jace tms's card peaking and scrying work better for that?

>>49325234
that's not what native means at all.

>>49325229
>upkeep
>sacrifice it at your end phase
>exile one black creature from your yard as a cost
Did I get it?

>>49325252
I'm aware. I just wasn't thinking of her.

>>49325180
So, burn spells now do damage equal to their CMC? Is that how you make burn balanced?

>>49325248
The first ability represents that fairly well, with shutting down activated abilities and weakening it. I do agree that scry draw would have been more fitting than gain life draw.

>>49325262
This is from the planeswalker deck where everything is intentionally weak.

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So what's Nissa even doing here.

Is she sticking out her ass or something

>>49325248
He's the innovation of blue through the order of white
He controls opposition with his + and ult, which lets him, and his controller, gather insight and reward

>>49325120
The pumpers were generic, the searchers are not

>>49325286
She's trying to be like the plants.

>>49325211
>three blue walkers in one block
not saying I don't agree with you about tezz, but fuck.

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>>49325262
It's from the new planeswalker deck thing.

>>49325286
She thinks she's a tree.

>>49325253
You got the card alright, but you are still missing why it is played. Here is a big hint the effect is free and dredge plays very few lands like 10-13, meaning that the spoiled card and that origins Ichorid wannabe don't work at all.

>>49325286
She's taking the piss out of those plants

>>49325297
This plane seems very blue inclined with white and red as competing secondary colors.

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>>49325295
>>49325299
Well that does go with her new personality trait of "disassociates whenever she falls asleep and turns into a plant on the other side of the world".

>>49325286
looks like she's teaching these trees how to dance their name.

>>49325292
I know, but his power is all about seeing weaknesses like Karnak.

Like thats his special ability; how do you give a guy a special power and not play that up on his card?

I guess the Plus 1 works in that vein (attack it's weak point to shut it down) but the minus?

He isolates his own weaknesses, learns something and...heals?

>>49325286
plant based yoga

>>49325310
>Plane entirely about freedom of expression through creation and making beautiful artifacts
>Main blue

>>49325310
And yet still no core control cards or burn
Thanks Wizards.

>>49325286
Fucking bullshit. Stupid fucking bullshit. Why would they do that? "Oh look at me, I can tutor my planeswalker because magic is about planes, and walking, and I also get to ramp any colour basic and my walker will also ramp lands". Simic EDH is going to fucking suck to play against. Please say this bullshit is only standard legal, or something like that.

>>49325310
>>49325331
It's U/R dumbasses.

>>49325326
Plane dedicated to invention with one side being dedicated to strict control and discipline and the other side about freedom and expression.

>>49325320
He doesn't learn anything or heal, you do, with his assistance once his ability stopped your opponent from interrupting

>>49325340
It only tutors the shitty walker in the deck.

RTFC

t. Tabak

>>49325340
Nigga it's 4 mana for a 1 land ramp and a beyond shit walker tutor.

>>49325340
>Wotc managing the ban list of commander

Why would you even want to play it. It's ok I guess but it's not breaking or anything

>>49325320
>and...heals?
he identifies and removes your flaws.

>>49325340
>caring about EDH
Just like, play with your friends and kick them in the dick of their deck is degenerate?

>>49325341
>It's U/R dumbasses.
I mentioned "where is the fucking burn" in my post dumbass, I know this is a "u/r" plane
BUT BLUE AND RED HAVE YET TO GET MANY GOOD THINGS

>>49325351
So he isolates your weaknesses and...heals you?

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reprint

>>49325370
And a pretty uninspired one at that.

>>49325370
>Dwarves are the master race
[SIEG HIELS INTERNALLY]

>>49325360
>>49325355
>these guys don't get it
Explosive vegitation is three mana. I can pop both of those on a curve into the land-ramp 8 mana turn 5. With scry, I can garentee that I hit two lands, which means I would have 10 lands by turn 5 in any colour with 2 floating mana, and not a single rock cast. How are you idiots this bad at magic? That seems pretty fucking viable in my opinion.

>>49325359
This is kind of fun, I am not sure it's good but it has decent keywords.

>>49325368
He isolates your opponent's creatures' weaknesses long enough for you to rest and think

>>49325397
>Explosive vegitation is three mana
Veggies is 4 mana dumbass.

Not to mention there are infinitely better ramp spells than this piece of shit.

>>49325397
Yes and? How does this make this card good?

>>49325397
Nice magical Christmas land. Are you spending all your turns on ramp? That's cute but you're already dead to Weenie White

>>49325359
SPICY My corpsejack menace, kalonian hydra and vulterous aven would love this shit.

>>49325397
Explosive is fucking 4 mana you dum-dum

>>49325359
I don't even care about black all that much but I'm glad they're something other than ow the edge for once.

>>49325368
>So he isolates your weaknesses and...heals you?
He isolates and removes the weaknesses/injuries, idiot.

>>49325421
I do like their whole ultimate hedonist angle.

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>>49324972
>You can't look at it

>>49325410
Because it fishes the walker you can play on your next turn to ramp even harder.

>>49325413
Two cards is hardly magical christmasland.

>>49325416
>>49325408
>the city of me
I got too excited, but still, that's some pretty efficent ramp in my opinion. Just wait, you faggots are going to see this bullshit everywhere in a cantrip simic deck and it's going to be awful.

>>49325445
>simic deck
You're implying I play that stupid format

>>49325445
>I'm gonna ramp
>So i can ramp
>Into ramp
>Topdeck time

>>49325435
You really don't gain much from being able to look at them, ideally you want to use the ability when you're out of cards anyway.

>>49325445
>Two cards is hardly magical christmasland.
Not dying as you durdle around with lands is.

>>49325445
>Because it fishes the walker you can play on your next turn to ramp even harder.
Did you even read her abilities?

>>49325359
Is this playable without moving +1/+1 counters on it?

>>49325461
>I'm going to ramp into Maelstrom Wanderer turn 6 with a walker by having one card in my and a cantrip

>>49325445
Xia-hou stacks EDH guy here. Gl fucking ramping everyturn while I make everyone sac half their shit and discard their hand. Anything above 3 mana is going to be a challenge.

>>49325477
In limited maybe there should be enough counters floating around thanks to fabricate that you should almost always be able to play this in limited though.

>>49325483
Dude it's only September, Christmas isn't for another 3 months.

>>49325445
>4 mana for one land and the six mana "hope you like healing salve" nissa in a cantrip deck
literally why? why would you run either of thise over more efficient ramp? I'd rather just rampant growth into explosive veg and any other nissa at all that I would just wait to draw.

>this shit card is good in EDH!
Its not even, unless you play with a baby-houserules EDH group.

>>49325477
"Any number" means 0 is an option.

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>>49325491
>>49325501
Wanted this as a finisher in my shitbrew.
guess its getting even shittier then

>>49325445
>>Because it fishes the walker you can play on your next turn to ramp even harder.
What? Nigga read this post very carefully, that Nissa is absolute total hot junk.

If I ever see a non-newbie play with that Nissa PW card in any format ever I will go on to mock him and laugh my ass off.

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Reading through the story of Kaladesh it seems like this bitch is about to destroy the whole world of Kaladesh.
If the Phyrexians doesn't notice her portals they're slacking.

>>49324972
People shouldn't be ignoring this card.

>>49325477
The answer is a resounding maybe, entirely dependent on the types of removal and flying/reach options in the set.

>>49325498
This dude really wants to think the card is powerful for some reason.

>>49325500
I usually play in a rather casual commander group and we've got a few green players including me. Unless you really want to do green life gain there'd be no reason to run this.

>>49325511
>2/2 flying lifelink for 4
i mean, you could do worse.

>>49325523
>>49325528
What if I move all the +1/+1 counters from my landcreature onto it, so that my land is a 0/0.
Do I have to sacrifice my land then?

>>49325517
Saheeli's thing about that was pretty hilarious I think.
>I can't help you it'd fuck up shit
>But why
>Because it'd fuck up shit, it's dangerous
>HEY MS SAHEELI CAN YOU PLEASE SIGN THIS PHOTO OF YOU WHERE YOU EXPLICITLY SAID "YOU SHOULD ALWAYS HELP PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE INVENTING SHIT EVEN IF IT'S FUCKED UP AND DANGEROUS"
>Gee thanks kid

>>49325542
Of course.

>>49325517
more likely tezz sees the portals (being head judge, that's basically guaranteed unless chandra and co. literally bomb the fair) and takes them back to bolas and/or phyrexia, and hijinks ensue.

>>49325542
technically it would just go to the graveyard and not be sacrificed

>>49325542
It'd die due to being a 0/0, not sacrificed.

>>49325519
Why? It's useless beyond turn 1 or 2 and not that good a dredge enabler since it costs a total of 2 mana and doesn't draw you cards, thus allowing you to dredge.

It's Honored hierarch all over again. Also a reminder that Wu said that Honored Hierarch is akin to Delver for standard.

>>49325517

I can't wait for Return to Kaladesh, where aether-fueled phyrexians are having a pool party.

>>49325584
>It's Honored hierarch all over again. Also a reminder that Wu said that Honored Hierarch is akin to Delver for standard.
I don't know who's more retarded, you or them.

Probably them.

>>49325584
>Why? It's useless beyond turn 1 or 2
It's an aggro card, why the fuck are you going on about dredge and shit?
This is literally made for red "shit out your hand strats" where maybe it can get you a card or two after you ditch your whole hand.

Also if you topdeck this you can play it, attack, get the exile trigger and then sac it for a card. At WORST it fucking cycles for 1R.

>>49325628
>at worst
Yeah well, the whole discard your hand thing really forces you to go all in to do that

>>49325646
That's how aggro works you tard.

>>49325646
*At worst it's a cycler when topdecking
Happy now? It's a totally fine card. Honestly, I wonder if this would see any use in a deck like Affinity where shitting out your hand is a garuntee, not a maybe. Even netting two cards off it seems like a strong play and the haste is relevant in such a fast deck.

>>49325259
No cover your ass some more.

>>49325672
T1 RW fastland, W 1/1 that gets pumped off artifacts
T2 land, pair of the 1 mana 1/1 artifacts with haste, swing for 5
T3 4/4 hellion, swing for 9

>>49325668
Most aggro deck I see played dont just shit their hand on the board mindlessly. But then aggro is not very popular around here.

>>49325686
I never understand why people feel the need to dig themselves deeper. I fucked something up when talking about the characters so i acknowledged it and apologized.

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Well the set is starting to look a little better but still wholly uninterested in most of it. Probably just go to prerelease and pick up other pieces once they go public.

>>49325693
Nice Christmasland.
But yes, it does seem like R/W is going to possibly be a passable deck, maybe even Naya.

>>49325699
>Most aggro deck I see played dont just shit their hand on the board mindlessly.
Then they either have shit hands or are going to lose. Clearly you've never seen a decent Sligh style deck played.

>>49325699
Aggro hasn't existed for years is why. The cards just weren't there. Now they are.

>>49325693
>Opponents turn 1 and he puts that W enchantment that makes your stuff tapped
>Your entire gameplan went to the absolute shit

Aggro is dead anon, dont bother.

>>49325714
>Starting to
I've been hyped since day 1 because POD RACING and ENERGY

>>49325693
>opponents T1 is Consul’s Power

>>49325723
The mono white humans deck in SOI was aggro and it definitely just shit its hand all over the board except for the occasional declaration in stone.

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>>49325714
>tfw been playing magic since Time Spiral
>tfw haven't played a singe game of magic, any format at all, since BFZ dropped but still keep up with the news and set spoils.

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>>49324956
Guess we know who this belongs to.

>>49325757
Anon,I've been playing since like Urza, and only actively played at the stores and whatnot till... RtR. I get singles for Cube drafts and thats pretty much it since then.

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>>49325757
>TS was ten (10) years ago

>>49324972
This is crazy right? I'm not the only one who thinks this is going to be nuts?

>>49325848
if it dies, you never get your card back

>>49325092
Anon you're being a faggot again. The last billion planeswalkers had the following formula:

+X, Draw a Card kind of (Nahiri, Jace, Ob, Sorin, new Chandra, arguably Tamiyo)
-X, Removal (Nahiri, Jace, Ob, Sorin, new Chandra, arguably Tamiyo)
Ult

Dovin is a shitty planeswalker when matched up against anything other than aggro decks. His ult takes too long to get to and +1 means that a single hit takes him that much longer to ult. The ult itself is crippling but not nearly as bad as some of the other ones we've gotten recently.

He compares best to Narset I think. Very situational, less build around but also far easier to get rid of and generally less impactful.

>>49325612
>2 block system to make it so we go to more planes and get more story

>go to planes multiple times to finish a story the 3 set system coulf easily tell

Don't like this at all.

>>49325727
You think aggro will be important enough in the meta that people will even bother to sideboard that card?

>>49325872
It was never your card anyway. It just had a chance to draw you a bunch of stuff on top of being aggressive.

>>49325435
Of course you can't look at it, the boxes the robot is carrying are all wrapped up- you can only see what's inside when it reaches the destination and you open the parcels (sac the bot)

>>49325848
It's aight. Wizards continues to explore ways to get more cards in red players hands without explicitly letting them draw cards.

>>49325872
Oh man wow, I "lost" a few cards that I never actually had access too anyway whatever will I dooooo
>Yeah but what if you mill leth-
The chances of your exile mill fucking by exiling a card you need you are probably about the same as it exiling a land and thus letting you draw the lethal card that was next.

>>49325874
He has a very similar formula to Liliana the last hope and Jace telepath unbound.

>>49325872
If there are more cards in exile than in your hand, you can just activate it's ability before it dies if your hand is meh. A bit of a gamble, but that's one of reds things

>>49325872
If it dies you just need to drop another courier and sac him to get your stuff back.

It clearly states you sac him and get all the cards exiled with Bomat Courier. doesnt matter which one. It even counts the one on your opponents side. Thats why it says "To their owner hands".

>>49324972
On one side, it needs to survive its swings or it's all post, so I'm not convinced.

On the other side, it's a 1R One with Nothing in standard and the playset of RoboDoggos i bought is tingling.

>>49325914
2/10, I replied

>>49325872
Are you implying that losing random cards off the top is some how going to impact the game significantly?

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>thopter mysteriously delet

???

>>49325948
The distinct lack of thopters is annoying

>>49325914
>doesnt matter which one
Actually...

>>49325956
Didn't you know anon thopters are too strong for standard.

>>49325915
>On one side, it needs to survive its swings
If your opponent gets enough board to kill it if it swings, keep it around until you topdeck then swing for trigger and sac it for cards.

But yeah, I see this running into a Thraben Instigator and crying.

>>49325914
the word you're looking for is "any"

>>49325908
That's 2 cards since Origins, hardly "the last 10 PW". When Kaladesh hits there will only be 2 cards in standard with the same """"formula"""". Meanwhile there will still be all 5 walkers I mentioned (6 if you include Tamiyo).

If we're counting DTK/Origins walkers, Sarkhan, Narset, and Nissa all also have 'draw a card kind of' as a +X and some way to protect themself as a -X.

>>49326006
I agree with you I was just pointing out a few walkers with a similar formula.

>>49325882
I dunno man, a 3/2 for W seems pretty busted. With the cheap vehicles (Smugglers Copter mostly) RW Vehicles might be a real aggro deck.

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>>49325948
I deleted it because I realized it was from origins

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>>49326099
These have great flavor text

>>49326099
>Hey kids, do YOU like playing red?
>Well fuck you, there's STILL NO FUCKING DECENT BURN
Love it

>>49326116
Thermo Alchemist is OK.

>>49326133
Alchemist is going to get a lot worse when Lost Legacy comes out and as-is the deck is barely held together with duct tape and the determination of red players.

>>49325990
Problem is that "enough board" is litterally anything, except maybe x/1s that the oppo isn't willing to trade. If you're on the play you can draw two at best, wich is nice, but I'm still not convinced. I think in this case it's probably way more relevant the "discard your hand", that maes this worth testing in some standard dredge lists. It enables easily enough a turn 3 haunted dead, and dumps enough cards in your graveyard to make it probable enough to have at least an amalgam waiting in there when it happens. This is also not convincing, because although having 6 power on board on turn 3 is nice, you still have to topdeck for the test of the game unless you get some card draw.

>>49325875
Nononon

Not how it works

>Portals in kaladesh
>Tezzeret steals it
>Portals in egypt
>second set in egypt is phyrexia

>>49325988
New ornithopter
1 mana 0/2 with crew 1
Balance for limited is our utmost priority

Can a URx Fevered Visions that runs Ghirapur Orrery and some repeatable discard outlet work?

>>49326179
Not really related but what you said made me think that a crew 0 vehicle would be really interesting as it would be a creature only on turns you wanted it to be but it wouldn't cost anything to make it so.

>>49326217
>but it wouldn't cost anything to make it so.

You'd have to tap any number of creatures with power 0 or more. So you could tap an Ornithopter, but you'd still need to tap a creature.

>>49326215
I guess, but why?
Also if you want discard outlets you probably want to go Temur or Grixis colours.

>>49326228
You're right i didn't remember the reminder text correctly.

>>49326116
Why does burn have to be the only way to play red?

>>49326228
>Kobolds in race-cars

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>>49326110
Why?

>>49326257
It doesn't but it should be a way to play aggro

>>49326179
as it should be. Limited is the most popular supprted format

>>49324956
so we are getting Tezzerret until AR?

>>49326257
Its the color's only source of removal, that's like asking why fight has to be the only way to play green.

>>49326267
Green is better at artifact removal than red

>>49326280
yes

>>49326238
Temur is better because green has the discard snek and makes way more use of double lands. In magical christmas land with FV, snek and orrery on the board you get to draw 5 each draw step, dump the lands, play some spells, discard what you don't use and repeat. There's also the RG legendary from OGW and the Gitrog Monster, for maximum jank. I think a better deckbuilder than me could make something work.

>>49326286
Tzeerte is going to be White Black, otherwsie they will need to make a new WB walker and then make Tezzert tricolor for balance.

>>49326257
>Why does burn have to be the only way to play red?
Because what other playstyles COULD it do that isn't done better in another colour? Blue and to an extent black and white have better control, Green has better midrange, black has generally better combo potential because it has tutors, I could go on and on.

The only playstyle red really has besides aggro and burn is storm/spellslinger which is something WotC said they don't want happening again (Storm the mechanic specifically, spellslinger shows up now and then but is ultimately just a fragile OTK/control deck and combines with blue.

>>49326267
It's and artifact block, so artifact removal is nerfed.

>>49326287
Wrong. Green gets artifact AND enchant removal (Naturalize), White gets best enchant removal (Erase), Red gets best artifact removal (Smelt)

>>49325313
>terrain elemental
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK POWER CREEP

>>49326329
Ah good point my bad

>>49326329
Give red agrro rush , basically white weenie but in red. I always thought that fit red more thanw hite anyway. Like in duelmasters

>>49326298
Why the fuck did they make menace an evergreen if they're only going to give it to limited fodder?

>>49326286
Why is his left arm so huge?

All of you fucking retards bitching about no red burn are trigger me so hard, it's literally because this plane has a BAN on Pyromacy, do you autists not even realize how stupid it makes you sound

>hurr durr there no burn on the plane that burn is illegal
>why is wizards keeping burn down

The worst part is that you complain that we never have good burn when burn won world's literally 3 blocks ago and is almost always in the top 8 but God forbid we go through on plane without burn and you throw a fucking fit

Im starting to think you guys are worst than control players and that's fucking saying something

>>49325262
Flame lash is actually really balanced, one less mana and it's sorcery speed with double red with situational uncounterable or instant speed while shocking you

>>49326321
Well, Sorin is not dead and considering they're starting to fill the tricolor PW spots, I can very well see an Esper Tezz

>>49326363
>Give red agrro rush , basically white weenie but in red.
Red already has that, Wizards hasn't been printing support for it in standard since BfZ for god knows why. Look at cards like Monastery Swiftspear, Goblin Rabblemaster. Weenie aggro is one of red things, but it's still aggro which does hand in hand with burn.

>>49326376
And we've only seen half the cards and half the rares so far.

>>49324972
I'd play this in modern burn

>>49325184
Why's it a deal that Kaladesh has 3 native walkers when Dominaria has about 10?

>>49326367
Too much E.

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>>49326298
>The flavor text is literally paraphrasing a meme

>>49326376
>All of you fucking retards bitching about no red burn are trigger me so hard, it's literally because this plane has a BAN on Pyromacy
Right, so an entire crux of Red's colour identity and design, one of the SOLE things that keep it relevant should just be skipped for a set for flavour reasons?

>he worst part is that you complain that we never have good burn when burn won world's literally 3 blocks ago
A lot has changed since 3 fucking blocks ago nigga.

>>49326280
Pretty sure I saw a post somewhere of people looking at the names of cards and their card number and came to the conclusion that Tezzeret wont appear before AR.

>>49326110
>Gremlins are anti artifacts
>None of them can deplete energy even though half the art show it
>None ETB to destroy an artifact
>Only one can destroy an artifact for 4 mana on a 1/1 body that must be sacrificed

>>49326365
Exactly because they wanted to put it on limited fodder. If they only used that ability on powerful rares then there wouldn't be a need for a keyword.

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>>49326365
wut?

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>>49326376
>Flavor over gameplay

Das ist gut. Also flavor explain the lack of proper burn in BFZ block.

>>49326298
Poor black. All it can do is menace artifacts.

>>49326329
White gets the best enchantment and artifact removal actually. White has return to dust and can more efficiently exile enchantments and artifacts than green. Green just gets both on creatures.

>>49326531
Green also gets it more often in general and both on the same card.

>>49326531
>White gets the best enchantment and artifact removal actually
Not any more, so says the great jew whose p/t is equal to the number of cards in your hand.

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>>49325184
>Normally a plane only has one native walker not fucking 3 all alive at the same time.

Let's take a stroll through some recent planes.

>Innistrad
Sorin
Tibalt
Arlinn

>Tarkir
Sarkhan
Narset
Ugin

>Ravnica
Ral Zarek
Vraska
Domri Rade

>Theros
Gideon
Xenagos
Ashiok

>Zendikar
Nahiri
Kiora
Nissa

>Mirrodin
Glissa
Koth

>Alara
Ajani
Tezzeret

If your plane only has one planeswalker, it's probably a plane for nerds.

>>49326505
>Relentless Dead
>not limited fodder
"I swear guys, zombies is a thing!"

You could at least have posted Darkdwellers

>>49326298
Fucking love that flavortext

>>49326365
>why the fuck did they make flying evergreen if they're just going to give it to limited fodder
>why the fuck did they make vigilance evergreen if they're just going to give it to limited fodder
>why the fuck did they make trample evergreen if they're just going to give it to limited fodder
>why the fuck did they make haste evergreen if they're just going to give it to limited fodder

>>49325843
>>49325757

Oooh, that hurts. I think TS might have been the last time I played a game.

>>49326505
Good thing you posted a card that sees 0 competitive play in any format anon, good job!

>>49326554
ashiok is not a theros native.

>>49326575
There's plenty of constructed playables for each of those keywords, we often get at least one per block.

>>49326531
Green has Nature's Claim, 1 CMC Artifact and Enchantment removal for the low, low price of giving your opponent 4 life.

>>49326510

Red won protour BFZ you fucking mong

>>49326606
Fair enough.

>>49326614
The deck that won had literally 0 non-land cards from BFZ you literal braindead retard

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptbfz/top-8-decklists-2015-10-17

>>49326614
can someone post the source please?
cause all i can find is
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptbfz
which states that abzan won.

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>>49326609
so your argument is that a mechanic that has appeared on less than a hundred cards in all of magic hasn't appeared on as many constructed viable cards as older mehanics that have appeared on far more limited chaff than menace ever has?

>>49326283
except red has gotten decent creature removing burn.
People are bitching because it doesn't also hit the face.

>>49326662
Well, technically you missed Boiling Earth, but that's a fair point besides.

So with standard as anti-red as it gets, what would printing lightning bolt on aether revolt do to the meta?

>>49326663

Okay, that's one set, not even a block and it shows how fucking strong burn was that it won a pro tour without and fucking new cards besides lands

Burn doesn't hit face, combo requires 3 or more cards that need to be on the battlefield, control happens through creature interaction

>get over it

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's going to change, the game is better for it and that's coming from a legacy storm player, Noone likes dieing in one turn and not being able to do anything about it, hell the amount of salt I get from tards like you when I win out of nowhere is hilarious

People don't want old magic back, they want THEIR favorite version of old magic back which never existed to begin with

>>49326732

It would make half the decks in the format splash red, and the rest would be red as a main color.

>>49326554
>Xenagos
>Alive and planeswalking

>>49326737
how does that in any way relate to me asking for the source on the win?
I think you ment >>49326662

>>49326569
>Recursion and tribal reanimation on a vanilla body plus a keyword
That's a pretty high standard for limited fodder
And zombies can totally become a thing now that CoCo is gone

>>49326763
He at least was alive at the same time as Gideon.

>>49326763
If we're going by the current state of events you might as well just say:
>Mirrodin
>a plane that still exists

>>49326732
As a single card it would probably just boost red

>>49326760
>half the decks in the format splashing for a SINGLE spell that has decent value that they might not even draw
Stop with the doomsaying MaRo

>>49326821

>>half the decks in the format splashing for a SINGLE spell that has decent value that they might not even draw

That's pretty much the way it works in Modern though.

>>49326344
Are you serious?

>>49326760
>bant valuehellrange would splash red

is anyone else annoyed they keep printing more and more cards that needs planeswalker cards to do anything worth while?

>>49326855

Is that actually going to be a deck once CoCo rotates though?

>>49326902
no, they literally told us they were doing that months ago and they only exist in and for the shitty walker starter decks.

>>49326902
do you mean the decks specifically focused around planeswalkers?

>>49326909
was waiting for this guy's card since he was in the UR

>>49326676

So let's get this straight.

Red can't get powerful aggressive creatures.

We also can't get decent face burn

So how exactly is Red supposed to win?

>inb4 "Just play green"

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>>49326909
Better image

>>49326927
You play Gruul

>>49326813
Not to mention
>Mirrodin
>Glissa
Didn't she lose her spark almost immediately?

>>49326909
neat. i am gettibg dubious about the number of dude with butts bigger than fronts, wasn't board stall: the game a complaint about recent limited and standard seasons?

>>49326902

They aren't, the cards your referring, although standard legal, are only found in the planeswalkers decks and they only specifically care about the planeswalkers from the planeswalker deck, it's like you don't even fact check before shitposting

>>49326945
she never sparked, memnarch did science and I think the spark was sacrificed to bring karn back so he could unfuck his plane's babysitter

>>49326935
>>49326909
>Literal reversal of blackface
Political correctness strikes again!

>>49326976
I feel like you don't know what any of those words actually mean.

>>49326927
>Red can't get powerful aggressive creatures.
it can, we've seen some spoiled already

>We also can't get decent face burn
to the face is the weakest form of burn. Creature or to the face is versatility, and you pay for having more options.

>So how exactly is Red supposed to win?
by playing the aggressive creatures your ignoring, then clearing the way with the decent creature hitting burn.

People are whining, because they want to play legacy burn in standard, even though pure burn decks are not a thing that happen in standard.

>>49325542
You're all retarded. Standing up a man-land doesn't put 1/1 counters on it.

Now, if it's an AWAKENED land that's different.

>>49324972

>>49324986

This better be a cycle.

>>49326909
So wait, they have a legendary for every enemy color combination EXCEPT u/r?

That settles it, Wizards is trolling us.

>>49326935
>Legend
>Artifacts matter
Mono blue, not It
JUST
FUCK
MY
SHIT
UP
WERE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT TIL FUCKING AETHER REVOLT

>>49326927

Red gets the most aggressively costed creatures in the game as well as getting the best creature removal sans back

He'll last set you got the red escalate card that's fucking amazing not to mention temur being the dominant color combination right now

>b-b-but my monoR

I'll tell you the same thing I tell the stupid fucking monoU players, mono color decks aren't a thing, almost all decks splash or are multiple colors, Idk why this is so hard to understand

>>49326916
>>49326921
>>49326956
Wizards confirmed one "Oath of X" card per block.

>>49327002

Yes, and considering that he called it a landcreature and not a manland that's probably exactly what he meant, retard.

>>49326935
This pleases Memnarch

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>>49325612
I hope they don't do this...
> Look at this nice and optimistic world! Where innovation and technology is at its best! Truly, what marvels can't be built by ingenuity?
> Do you like it?
> Yes?
> FOOLS! DON'T YOU KNOW TECHNOLOGY IS EVIL? SMASH YOUR COMPUTER OR THE PHYREXIANS WILL GET YOU!

>>49326972
She sparked, then the spark was transferred to Slobad, then Slobad sacrificed it.

>>49327018
>>49327008
Saheeli took that spot just like arlinn took the RG legendary werewolf slot

>>49327025
oh right, that

no, no one cares about the oath cards needing planeswalkers to do other things

>>49327025
Oath of Ajani incoming
My body is reggie

>>49327040
New thread

>>49327008
>gb
also ur got a walker, this wouldn't be the first time they jammed a walker into a legend cycle.

>>49327022
>Red gets the most aggressively costed creatures in the game
laughing_elves.png
Green gets the best creatures, from small shits to fatties. Red just sometimes gets haste on decent creatures.

>>49327022
>red gets the most aggressively costed (read:best) creatures
You are beyond help.

>>49326952
Yeah, it was a recent complaint. The problem is they design sets about a year and a half in advance, so addressing recent complaints isn't something they can quickly do.

>>49327022
>Red gets the most aggressively costed creatures in the game
you've never played this game before, have you

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>>49327053
>Oath of Tezzeret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7f0sbxR1G0

anyone want to watch maro shitpost

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>>49325370

You can expect more thrilling reprints like this in the future! Also we will reprint much needed modern staples as turbo mythic rares to help the supply.

>>49327000

>it can, we've seen some spoiled already

There's a SINGLE decent aggressive creature spoiled so far and it requires splashing green

>People are whining, because they want to play legacy burn in standard

Literally all people want is for burn spells in standard to stand up to the standard of fucking Lightning Strike (an unplayably bad card in any non-rotating format), but apparently that's just too much to ask.

>>49327022

>Red gets the most aggressively costed creatures in the game as well as getting the best creature removal sans back

You're fucking delusional.

>I'll tell you the same thing I tell the stupid fucking monoU players, mono color decks aren't a thing, almost all decks splash or are multiple colors, Idk why this is so hard to understand

So what you're saying is "You don't get to play red if you don't want to play Gruul midrange"

>>49327104
>>Here's a better story: We were trying to design Invasion, but we only had a week
wew

>>49326909
Can't wait to turn him into a artifact.

>>49326569
>>49326589

>implying that one U/B zombies deck doesn't exist

>>49327002
>>49327027
he's right, i was referring to awaken, shouldve clarified that.

>>49327083
>>49327069

I swear you guys are legitimately retarded, aggressively costed does not mean the best creatures, it means low cost, high damage ceiling and red most definitely gets these even though they before you go

>WAHHH they all have downsides

No shit, if they didn't there would be no reason not to play them in every fucking deck

What are

>goblin guide
>Monastery Swiftspear
>ball lightning
>zurgo
>the new 3 mana 4/4
>lightning berserker
>etc etc

>>49327242

Cards that are no longer standard legal.

>>the new 3 mana 4/4

A bad card

>>49325286
Parasitic ugly fucking design.
Goddamn they are ruining magic with this shit.

>>49327283
How the hell is this parasitic.

Why don't you retards actually look up shit before you start shitposting.

>>49327283

Hey look everyone, point and laugh at the retard