Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>49316627

Don't fuck this one up.

>>49316654

Dunno, depends on the objective. Wasn’t it to start the Ruinstorm and cut off most of the remaining loyalist legions from Terra? That was successful. They killed at least 40% of the Ultramarines, without losing that many of their own.

I suspect Lorgar thought of it as a throw-away force, otherwise he would’ve reinforced Kor Phaeron and friends himself and brought World Eater support too. It sounds like he sent all of his less-reliable commanders on crazy missions with a high potential payoff.

Raxhal Koraddon, I'm Vodian Consistory.

>>49316795
always knew Lorgar was a min-maxing faggot

>>49316627
Please remember to update , to make /HHG/ eventually become the best it could be.

Legion Army List
http://www.mediafire.com/?f0c2pnieoijyrqk

Legion book with legion rules and characters.
https://mega.nz/#!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg

Warhammer 7th edition rulebook. Actual rules begin on page 454, iirc.
http://wh40klib.ru/codex/Actually_codex_and_rule/Rulebook_7-th_ed_Eng.pdf

Also, Audiodrama anon posted his picks:

>Here's my favourites:

>http://www.mediafire.com/download/jq8ebsafxno9l5r/Honour-to-the-Dead.mp3

>http://www.mediafire.com/download/ljb9jlhpwpsoqjd/Templar-MP3.zip

>http://www.mediafire.com/download/7ulavb87wx1lq51/Veritas-Ferrum.mp3

>http://www.mediafire.com/download/xa7d5ccpcc4as1m/Wolfs-Claw.mp3

>>49316627

Why is that World Eater wearing an Imperial Fist's helm?

>>49316891
>http://www.mediafire.com/?f0c2pnieoijyrqk
legion army list link dont work

>>49316908
It's actually an ultramarine wearing an iron warrior's helm. The player just thought that scheme fitted better with his three knights.

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>>49316908
Must be the light.
>>49316924
Aw shucks.

>>49316891
>Audiodrama anon

If only you could see my Mediafire page

lol people actually think Calth was an UM victory? 50k of the worst WBs utterly wrecked the ultras, killed over 100k marines, almost half the legion, millions of human soldiers, trapped some 40k more on calth, destroyed the world, summoned the ruinstorm and basically made the ultras sit at home for the rest of the heresy not doing anything except LARP being the Imperium

the only reason they managed to survive is because they put some mechanicum chick in the USB slot to upload an antivirus

and that's not even going into the rest of the shadow crusade where the WBs and WE utterly annihilated any opposition the ultras threw at them

ultramarines are probably the worst legion in 30k from a fluff pov, iirc book 5 says that they take high casualties if they can't outnumber the enemy, they are basically the zerg legion

>>49316993
...RhoMu?

>>49316651
I'm not the last guy, I'm the idjit who normally makes these threads and really needs to finish up the Legionary Generator.
>>49316891
The template grows ever more.

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2000 points, Castellan FOC.

+ HQ +

Herald

2x Legion Forge Lord

+ Troops +

3x Legion Tactical Squad [15x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
Legion Tactical Sergeant [Power Armour]

+ Lord of War +

Aquila Strongpoint [7x Vortex Missiles, Void Shield, Void Shield, 2x Tank Traps section,2x Barb Wire section]

++ Fortifications (Castellan Fortifications) ++

+ Fortifications +

Vengeance Weapons Battery [2x Battle Cannon]

3x Void Shield Generator [3x Projected Void Shields]


DIG UP THEM TRENCHES BOYS, TIME TO GET COZY AND SIEGE!.

>>49317016
Anon, it doesn't matter how many Ultramarines die. So long as a Word Bearer dies, is emotionally damaged, or has a bad day all is well with the galaxy. Plus, Lorgar shot himself in the foot there. So much geneseed, lives, and equipment gone forever.

>>49317056
You beat me by a minute.
Any estimates for the Legionary Generator?
Also, how will it be different from both Legion generator and the Knight generator?

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>>49317086
I wonder if this image could sum up one of the possibly rare moments when these two can agree on something. Maybe teaming up to murderizie some xenos who know nothing about sieges?
>You thinking what I'm thinking?
>You know it.
>>49317099
Well, I think I'm going to get it done by this Friday. It's probably not going to be good as either, but that's fine with me as you diet Imperial Fists and your papa can't decimate me. I'm a self-decimating machine.

>>49317099

Have faith, Imperial Fist.

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>>49317045

No idea who that is. But here's a snapshot. I have far, far more and can share literally anything if ever there's a pressing need.

>>49317167
Do you perchance have Blackshield?

>>49317016
>>49317088
I can't see the issue: Both the UM and the WB tied at Calth.
The WB wasn't allowed to delete them, so they went for the next best thing: to stall them.
And the UM wouldn't die because they were too many, even against two whole legions, both of which were big and one of them had 40 years to prepare.

If anything, the only one who lost was the Imperium as Guilliman decided to dig in, and the only one who won was Sanguinius, who proved the Ruinstorm was a load of bullshit and still arrived to Terra in time.

It's kinda funny that the three loyalists on the Vengeful Spirit were emperors at some time.

>Dorn, Emperor of the Inwit cluster

>Sanguinius, Imperator Regis of the Imperius Secundus

>The Emperor, Emperor of the Imperium and father of Raven Raven and Iron Hands of the Iron Hands.

>>49317164
But I'm not an Imperial Fist, dude.

>>49317167
Wew lad.

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>>49317167
Well, son, that's pretty impressive. RhoMu is a guy who supplies the AoS General and the 40k General with their Mega Libraries. Have this picture of Iron Hand successors.

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>>49317218
Dead Word Bears are always a good thing no matter the cost.

Anyone that's followed the lore of the horus heresy wanna tell me what the fuck is going on in connection with the alpha legion? They loyal or what?

>>49317218
I don't see how you can say they tied when one side achieved all of it's objectives (create ruinstorm, knock Ultras out of the war) while the other barely managed to limp home

yeah they didn't kill all of them, but Ultramarines were never a factor in the heresy from that point on, which was what Lorgar promised Horus

>>49317301
yes

>>49317301
Anon, that's a pretty bad question as you're going to get meme answers. My take? Some think they're loyal, some might be loyal, while the rest are traitors or they just don't care anymore.

>>49317217

Of course I do. I have everything.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/66u9k6zq05b9e57/blackshield_chris_wraight.epub

>>49317221

You haven't seen the other folders.

>>49317301
No

There was no internal dialogue with Dorn, everything was seen from another persons perspective and guess what, the man of stone lives up to his name. He barely talks and shows little to no emotion.

The dude feels, his astropath sees the complexity of a single emotion going through his mind and sees he has a deeper understanding of emotions and all its variety. But he doesn't show it.

I liked the interaction between him and Alpharius after a particular compliance. It shows he understand were his brother is coming from and doesn't distain his tactics, so far as telling him how they could have worked better in tandem leading to the planet being much less bitter in joining the Imperium all the while letting Alphy do what he's great at. His only qual was that Alphy went out of his way to ruin the ruling cast, something that will come back to bite them in the ass later.

I'm not saying the book was amazingly great, it has it's short comings, but it's hella lot better than what's been put out recently.

Lightning tower was the best story featuring Dorn and is filled with him actually shows what he's thinking which was great because we see what fundamentally seperates him form pert.

>>49317373
And we all know what Alpharius told Dorn. Why else would he only answer his hiuscarl with "lies, only lies." It was obvious Alph wanted to show Dorn his true colors.

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>>49317265
That's true, though.
I'm not sure if all manga faces are the same, but what's the name of that one?
>>49317306
>while the other barely managed to limp home
But they were already at home, anon. And I did say they could have won (by killing Guilliman), but weren't allowed, so they settled for the next best thing, which was actually better on the broader picture, but the fact that they lost a Death Star commanded by Mr. Ham himself kinda substracts a few points.
>>49317339
So based...

>>49317339
Woo boy, thanks a lot! You've made the rest of the night to me.

>>49317086
Anon, Heralds can't be your compulsory HQ.

Wait, Forge Lords aren't Support Officers, right?

>Dorn kills Alpharius
>Keeps his super spear
>Soul Drinkers go rogue over recovering a super special spear of Dorn
> Soul Drinkers can activate this spear because they are gene sons of Dorn
>They aren't gene sons of Dorn

Soul Drinkers confirmed for Alpha Legion descendants? And that spear actually Alpharius'?

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>>49317543
The plot thickens

>>49317543
By the gods, John French is a genius! Soul Drinkers are now an Alpha Legion cell embedded within the IF by the second founding that eventually forgot it was an Alpha Legion cell and went full loyalist! A-MEI-ZING.

>>49317449
Yes Forge lords arent Support officers and fulfill the compulsory HQ.

>>49316627
Anyone know if praetorian of dorn is on the mega link yet?

>>49317543
Oh shit, totally forgot about the spear of Dorn. It wasn't really described like the pale spear but this gives me a glimmer of hope that BL has been playing the long game.

>>49317543
This is bloody brilliant, anon.

LIVES

>>49317699
VII Quads confirm your primarch is dead

>>49317543
I like how the soul drinkers are in 31k and the successor chapters think they're related. I hope they delve into this more seeing how they were suppose to be the ship to ship specialist.

Not to mention the IF were the most most tighly knitter legion, you'd think they'd know what's up.

>>49317720

Have faith, Imperial Fist.

>>49316891
Do you have a higher quality scan of the taghmata army list? My shits on the way and I need a higher quality scan to print from.

Anyone have opinions on the mechanicum sums unique transport? The Trios armored conveyer or what have you?

Seems pretty legit. Considering buying one for my Archmagos+ secutors.

What I really want, is 60 tech thralls. Get me that 2+ fnp carapace armor fearless monsters. Bitches won't know what God is.

>>49316924
Does mine still work ? Legion Armylist :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx9WY96T_EWDYUVBck8xeU1aYUU/view?usp=sharing

>>49317584
One of my favorite moments from any BL books came from their first novel.

It was right before they started to torpedo themselves onto the Ad Mech ship. There's this cog boy being brought to the front. He was excited because he was equipped with a haywire grenade launcher and he'd be useful in the upcoming battle. Went on for about 2 pages...

Then the soul drinkers attacked and everything went to shit.

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>>49318373

>where is your god now

>>49317301
They were given a prophecy by the Cabal that basically said the only reason to destroy Chaos is by allowing Horus to win.

Alpharius/Omegon tried to start shit in the Sol System but Dorn killed alpharius as he was trying to explain

>>49319028
>They were given a prophecy by the Cabal that basically said the only reason to destroy Chaos is by allowing Horus to win.

Read that book. Kinda cool.

>Alpharius/Omegon tried to start shit in the Sol System but Dorn killed alpharius as he was trying to explain

What the actual fuck.

>>49318943
Shouldn't he be punching nothing but blood flavored dirt by now?

>>49319096
2+ FnP takes a while to punch through

>>49317373
Pretty apt I don't see why the book has been getting more and more shit piled on it.

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>>49319116
I'm tired right now so humor me. Just how long exactly would it take? Have a legionary recruit test as an offering.

>>49319116
>d
Not to mention that they are cutting them back with str6 heavy chainswords. Bahahaha. Hahaha. HA.

>>49318452
It looks like it does.
>>49318373
I don't think it works like that. A single Lacyraemarta (shouldn't it be Lacryaemarta? "Lacrima" is latin for "tear") Techpriest unit upgrades Revenant Thralls to FnP 4+.

I don't know what to think of FW's responses. I once asked them if Decima could use his Retinue rule to bring a Techpriest unit and then add his 5 Servoautomata to the unit, and they told me not only that couldn't be done, but also that Decima's Servoautomata could be kited like regular Techpriest's servs, but his' could also buy Tank Hunter at 20pts per mini or something like that.

Weird responses, I tell you.

>>49319028
It was kind of dumb they didn't tell the Emperor about this. I'm hoping Omegon did tell him and Emps planned for his "Ascension".

>>49319210
I'd ask for volunteers if only the idea that having his head punched to a fine pulp over the course of several hours being somebody't fetish didn't horrify me to no end.

>>49319116
>2+ FnP takes a while to punch through

>Chainaxe Inductii are S6 AP4 and let out about 100 attacks, rerolling ones.
>That's about 65 dead GEQ, meaning even a full Levy can be obliterated in one turn.
>Not Swept, but bloody murdered.
K e k .

>>49319271
Not like that. I meant in the game. >>49319257
>going with Emps wanted the Heresy to happen garbage
There are hints he knew it would happen, but allowed it to happen because a future worse than the modern 40k would happen. I can only imagine it being a galaxy where everyone only plays Tau and or Eldar.

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>>49319303
Use your fists like a man, you miserable coward. What? You think those nails and that axe makes you a bigger transhuman super solider? Drop the axe and put up your fists.

>>49319116
laughing_vindicators.jpg

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>>49319305
>There are hints he knew it would happen
Like when he plays Space Chess against that Astropath.
"Sometimes the only way to not lose is to prevent the enemy from winning" or something like that in "Outcast Dead".
>I can only imagine it being a galaxy where everyone only plays Tau and or Eldar.
If the Crusade had gone through, the Eldar would be extinct (finally!) and the Tau would have been stomped. Earlier.
Who knows what would the Necrons be up to, and there will always be Tyranids and Orks to kill before thinking about the heresy.

>>49319324
>Use your fists like a man, you miserable coward
It's strange how these guy's melee attacks hit both harder and more times than a Heavy Bolter.
S6 is when a regular human is bisected, mulched or otherwise rendered down to bloody bits, right?
Also, those 2+++ Thralls of yours are literal Zombies using steroids, and you're asking for a fair fight? Kek^2

>>49319413
>It's strange how these guy's melee attacks hit both harder and more times than a Heavy Bolter.
>S6 is when a regular human is bisected, mulched or otherwise rendered down to bloody bits, right?
>Also, those 2+++ Thralls of yours are literal Zombies using steroids, and you're asking for a fair fight? Kek^2
Fight like a gentleman. Just because this is an age of darkness doesn't mean it's right to be unruly.

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>>49319489
>Hordes of Roided Cyborg-Zombies

The Great Crusade taught me there's only one way to deal with that.

With extreme prejudice.

That's the same way to deal with everything, really.

Feels good when you win the SM vidya's horde mode as a DG tactical with your (t)rusty knife

>>49319257

Tech priest Auxillia with lacyaemarta: friendly adsecularis units within 6" of the unit gain +1 to their Feel No Pain rolls while their adepts are alive.
Adsecularis with revenant alchemistry = FNP 5+

3 auxillia = 2+ fnp. Throw in an Archmagos prime with lachrimallus and you have a replenishing army of space zombies. 6 of them for 900 points ish if you want them to have a 4+ armour, strength 6 and fearless.

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>>49319688
>3 auxillia = 2+ fnp.
This assumes the boost stacks. And those zombies not only stay dead 66% of the time, but also come back from your deployment zone, having to Slow & Purposeful their asses back to the front lines. And their Dedicated Transports won't respawn with them, as they are still units on their own in 7E.

>>49319641
Fine. We'll give you power fists. If only to even the odds.
>that spoiler
I loved doing that.

>>49319303 >>49319324

Now without steroids, CC weapons or charging. 3+ to hit, 3+ to wound , 5+ save, 2+ FnP, that's about 20.25 attacks needed to kill 1 GEQ.

However, when we look at page 156 there's this rule : "Unless specificly stated, a model cannot gain the benefits of a special rule more than once." which crushes the dreams of what >>49319688 tries to accomplish

>>49319793
Meant to say page 156 of the main 7th edition rulebook. My bad

Why do the forgeworld and calth MKiv armor have studs? I thought that was the hallmark of mkv

>>49319882
Bonding studs can be used on any armor mark as a sort of extra armor, or as a quick-fix job. Most commonly found on MkV due to it's paper armor.

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>>49319882
If its crotch is studded, you've got mark V brother
If it's parts all around you're in mix-match town.

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Nigga, are you retarded? This is an official GW pic of the MkIV armor in the Calth box. Its got tons of fucking studs

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>>49320035
heres the forgeworld MKiv. Still has fucking studs

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>>49320071
>>49320097
See how none of them have crotch-studs? That's Mark IV. Bonding studs are used as reinforcement on high stress areas, like the greaves or pauldron. Or something like that.

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Well did they actually show off the ultramarine praetor pattern power armor like pic related on the right?

Only reason why I love horus era smurfs.

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>>49320179
Those ones are better looking than this bling-fest of a man.

>>49320223

>lets take the roman legion theme
>Then ratchet it up to fucking 11

What the fuck are you doing roboute.

>>49320250
"This isn't even my final form !"

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>>49320328
So sayeth the Word Bearer.
Calth was a disaster...for fashion.

>>49320373
Al, just because you hate the Word Bearers, doesn't mean they're not fashionable.

I mean, just look at his parchment robes! Fashionable, AND Sacred/Unholy, at the same time! That mask, those pauldrons! That right there is fashion.

>>49320425
Post >>49320223 was me as well, you know. Although the WB's attire is more varied, I guess? Just count the number of skulls, omegas and eagles on that UM's armour.

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Saw a cloud that looked a rapier or fancy sword in a hand. The moonlight made me think the Emperor gave me a sign. I think the He wanted you guys to show off the Paragon Blades your praetors use. Also saw a dragon like cloud, or it was suppose to be Italy. I think it's a sign from the Emperor meaning that all Italians got wiped out in the future by dragons. I guess that would make sense considering pic related. Might also be every Iron Warriors/World Eaters/Word Bearers military campaign.

>>49320473
I didn't know, actually. Your name was not there.

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>>49320494
Sometimes the name field gets cleared.

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>>49320486
>Italian invasion of France
>1 submarine and 6029 casualties
>Alpini regiment
Is this what happens when a full Stormbird crashes?
I wish to think the sumbarine was unrelated to the Alpini.

Also, Alpha legion warfare.

>buying two boxes of scions to proxy as a Veletaris Storm Section costs MORE than just buying the Veletaris, INCLUDING SHIPPING


pound really got pounded i guess

>>49320603
That's not Aloha Legion warfare. That's the chaos that took place at Port Maw.
>Is this what happens when a full Stormbird crashes?
I wish to think the sumbarine was unrelated to the Alpini.
Yes.

>>49320632
Nah, GW prices are just crazy.


Iirc, $8 more gets you the poseable legion specific contemptor any pair of arms you want, for almost the same price as the plastic monopose that comes with a Kheres and MM.

>>49319793
Well. Time to read the entry.

>That feel when a whitescar fan
>that feel when your legion isnt going to get touched on by FW goodness for perhaps years

Great khan how do I deal with this suffering?

>>49320709
You got great rules, make an army and start playing.

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>>49320709
At least you can have an all bike army! I hate the Skyhunter RoW with a burning passion!

I'll never be able to make my literal Hell's Angels Black Comet army!

Sadness.

>>49320738
Why does the left Black Comet icon look like a legit Biker Gang symbol?

>>49320676
Yeah, that's true.

I was hoping I could have a household with the axes and then the rest could be scions with sawed-off HSLs as chargers, with the Skitarii Vanguard sallet helms.

>>49320676
the thing with GW prices is that you can get 10-25% off depending on your local retailer or if you order from eBay. can't do that with FW unfortunately, so >>49320632 try out eBay and it'll probably be cheaper.

>>49319028
>but Dorn killed alpharius as he was trying to explain
I thought Gulliman killed alpharius.

>>49320806
There's a new game store that just moved in to town, so I'll have to check them and see if they have better prices than the GW by my house. They're the ones that supposedly have a good 30k scene too so that's where I'd be playing.

I did check ebay but it'd end up being only like $6 cheaper to buy 2 full scion boxes vs. 1 from FW, lol.

Why does GW overprice stuff in their own stores? It seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot.

>>49320823
There's three options here.

1. That battle likely never happened.
2. Omegon killed Guilliman and took his place.
3. Guilliman really did kill Omegon.

>>49320871
What about Dorn killing alphie? Where did that shit come from?

>>49320884
That's canon. Dorn really did kill Alpharius.

>>49320884

Praetorian of Dorn. Dorn outright kills Alpharius. The real one, not a fake.

How do so many people not know this?

why are WE so great for allied detatchments?

surlak
19 inductii with chainaxes(no bolters)
serg with pfist and AA
in a pineapple (kharybdis)
levi with dual claws, TL volkite and phosophex dispenser in a regular pod.

exactly 1000 points.

>>49320893
>>49320900
What the fuck? Is this real? This can't be true, must have been from some BL fanfic. They couldn't actually flush all the mystery into the toilet like that.

>>49320919

Oh it's real all right.

>>49320919
No worries, Alpharius just staged his death with such succes that even the writer and publisher believe he really is dead

>>49320928

Keep deluding yourself.

>>49320919

>that feel when your favorite traitor legions turned full traitor by loyalist incompetence

Fuck me man. I think this is why I love warhammer so much. Mankind had a golden age within it's grasp and let it slip between it's fingers.

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>>49320914
>why are WE so great for allied detatchments?
>surlak
No can do, buddy.
Surlak is a Primus Medicae, and has the Support Officer rule.
As such, Inductii can't be used either.
They would gain Furious Charge when allied with Perturabo, however. The Iron Warriors are their only Sworn Brothers.

>>49320943
I SHALL NO REST UNTILL IT IS A MEME DAMMIT

>>49320977

You can't just force memes. Memes come naturally. They emerge from the darkness, willed to life by the collective will of all those on the board.

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>>49320919
>They couldn't actually flush all the mystery into the toilet like that.
>They couldn't
>Implying

>>49320966

>that moment when you wanna feel for Perturabo
>Read pic related

God what a fucking cunt.

>>49321047

That's the point IWfags keep on missing. They endlessly go on about how their poor Primarchfu was ignored and shit upon, forgetting that he shat on literally everyone else.

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>>49321047
>>49321086
Has Aaron Dembski Bowden written anything about Perturabo? He turned Angron from a dumb berzerker into one of the most tragic characters of the whole HH.
Wasn't the whole decimation John French's big idea?

>>49321142

Yes. French has dibs on Dorn and Peturabo, and pretty much created their characterization. In Peturabo's case writing over McNeill's prior portrayal.

>>49321047
Let's face it, our bitter overlord sees us as nothing more than like the bolterrounds in a clip, to be expended to bring down a target.

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>>49321177
Perturabo ceased being our lord when he casted his lot with the traitors.
It doesn't hurt to be conscious of your own mortality, despite being able to watch centuries come and go.
It's common sense to feel no remorse as a warrior, and to be ready to spend your life and your brothers' lives for the Imperium.

It's even understandable to seek redemption for your mistakes, but in all cases, you must always ask yourself if the outcome is worth the life-price you'll end up paying.

The Emperor is lord of all, nothing else matters.

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>>49321270
We shall fight the traitor and cast down their fortresses and bastions until none remain, even if it costs our lives to do so.

We are Iron Warriors, and we do not relent.

>>49317339
Any chance you can post Praetorian of Dorn? I missed the original link and can't find it on 4plebs. Thanks

>>49321374

http://www.mediafire.com/download/waavg7n83sjedn7/praetorian_of_dorn_john_french.epub

If anyone wants anything else, it's probably there.

>>49321400
I'm looking for "the either" - as an audiodrama/book

>>49321400
Thanks!

>>49321427

You'll find it (and a lot more) here:

https://www.mediafire.com/?8w04qdrr1txd9ns

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>>49321400
Might be a stretch, but do you have The Warhammer 40k The Rules epub edition? The one with full color pages?

>>49320966
>Support Officer
>If taken as part of a primary detachment, Gahlan Surlak cannot be taken as a compulsory HQ choice
Was just checking this rule, and its different from Legion support Officer

If possible, do you have Watchers in Death, or The Last Son of Dorn?

>>49321641

Not Horus Heresy. I don't get any non-HH books.

>>49321631
You are right. Now I don't know which rule to follow.

Fair enough. Thank you anyway.

>>49321648
Do you have the Age of Darkness Legions redbook epub?

>>49321270
For Mole-man and for the imperium
>>49321086
Yeah pertuabo was a dick to some, but if you selflessly slaved away to achieve your fathers work and got little recognition whilst the others were praised for stepping over a puddle, then wouldn't you be pretty pissed off
>>49321047
The whole reason people say war is honourable is because the actual honour lies in willing to offer up your life so your country may be free of foreign influences. To pertuabo he is doing what his father would do, these fortresses must be taken for peace to be known, and the hope of peace outweighs any morals about sending so many over the top to die
>>49320914
Not taking red butchers with Golg in a spartan
WEW LAD
>>49320709
You have some stuff to work off, and white scars were still mainly using mk2 and 3 by the end of the great crusade, so get to work so you can make sniff that resin crack
>>49320097
>a mythical studded right leg enters the field
Studs would have been very rare pre heresy and they were retroactively fitted onto the old marks. Mk 4-6 were circular studs, whilst mk2-3 were basically pyramid shaped. Also alacran was talking about studs on the crotch which these models are also missing
>>49320071
Who are you even responding to
>>49319882
Because the calth war has been raging for a while, so they had begun to adapt to astartes on astartes warfare

>>49322553
>> Not taking red butchers with Golg in a spartan
>> WEW LAD
:') but I play SoH, friend.

>>49317543
... Damn. Well, the Soulspear is a vortex projector weapon, while the Pale Spear is an Entropic Destroyer weapon, but I can see where you're coming from. That would be glorious though. And the Soul Drinkers tactics of "cold and fast" do fit better as modified from the AL tactics, rather than the IFs.

So, I remember someone mentioning that Iron Hands had zombie marines. Can anyone back this up? I have an idea for a Mechanicum army.

>>49322909
as far as I can see its just mentioned in the fluff, how the keys of hel were turned and forbidden tech out the wazoo became available to the iron hands legion.

>>49322989
Thanks

Anyone have any experience with Ursarax? The models look badass and I'm wondering whether to pick some up and add them to my Reductor list.

>>49323204
They're trash when the Arlatax exists, use the models as Arlatax instead

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>mfw the yiffs get strong af rules and wulfen and TWC in 30k and i will shamelessly bandwagon them while pretending ive been a yiff fan for like 15 years when in reality i make fun of them relentlessly on the internet
its a gud feel

>>49323260
Even though the arlatax is t6/3+ save? It just doesn't look that survivable compared to the ursarax, especially since sniper vets are very prevalent in my local meta. I was thinking a unit of 6 ursarax all with power fists to throw down an opponent's throat so they have something big to deal with

>>49323303
You can get two Arlatax and change for the cost of that many Ursarax, and S9 Shred or s7 armourbane on a jetpack MC is amazing, and gets way, way better when you add in Cybernetica bonuses for striking before marines. If your meta favours MSU marine tactics then the ursarax might fit better. In either case, Vorax are more points-efficient than either at mulching marines, but lack the power to pop AV14.

>>49320943
Theres a bit of circumstancial evidence to suggest he isn't dead

>>49323567
Do tell.

>>49323567

There's the word of the Author, several other authors and the HH series editor saying he is.

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So why is rotor cannon so weak ? Did they needed a cheap but weak heavy weapon to contrast the stronger, more expensive ones or was it something else ? Do you even see them used on the table ?

It shouldn't have an autogun statline just as a heavy bolter doesn't have the same stats as a bolter - it's a minigun, it has different ammunition, etc. It should probably be something like S4 AP5 - keep the salvo profile and the range to not make it an auto include but deserves a buff.

>>49323657

6 shots like an Assault Cannon would go a long way to fixing things. It's the home rule I use.

>>49323657
So, Salvo 3/4 bolters? I think it should have some for of Rending.

>>49323683
it should fire standard bolter shells (with maybe access to special ammo) and be salvo 4/6

>>49323641
1) Dorn said he could tell which one was Alpharius before he even entered the room but then couldn't tell Alpharius was under a tarp in the imperial palace ergo Dorn is not a reliable source for confirming his identity.

2) The ridiculous end game of Alpharius' gambit was to have a pow wow with Dorn? The only scenario in which Alpharius' actions make sense is faking his own death to fool Omegon.

3) It's Black Library. They can and will retcon it if someone pitches it right.

>>49323657
Give it rending I think would fix it, making the thing a low fat assault cannon. They are still just stubbers at the end of the day so shouldn't have the strength or AP of bolt weapons. Also allow them access to the Poisoned rounds used by the mechanicus

>>49323654
If you spent an entire novel setting up a secret like that would you spoil it immediately?

>>49320871
option 2 is a retarded meme
stop citing it as a legit option

>>49323704
>Also allow them access to the Poisoned rounds used by the mechanicus
Noo, let the Mechanicum be the only ones with poison ammo.

>>49323704
>They are still just stubbers at the end of the day
No they're not, compare real life miniguns to machine-guns, rate of fire is not the only place they differ.
>>49323693
That might be an overkill.

>>49323701
4) Why would Dorn keep his death secret?
That the Alpha Legion was in the system can't be hidden so why not spread the triumphant news that a traitor primarch is dead? Unless he doesn't believe it himself.

>>49323726
More retarded than: wipe my own memory and hide in a vat of goo. Sneak into the imperial palace to blow up some statues. Set off all the alarms on terra. Commit most of my fleet to attacking and capturing pluto and its moons. Luring Dorn into a perfect ambush BUT ONLY TO TALK and thinking he's gonna want to chat and then 1v1ing him just so he'll listen to some gibberish about victory that i haven't even shown a great deal of faith in???

>>49323741
Let it be a minigun, a microgun sucks...oooh, they suck in the tabletop like they do in real life?

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>>49323701
>>49323754
This is some serious straw-clutching. He's dead, just let it go.

>>49322989
>>49322909

The short story "Riven" is all about them, too.

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>>49323741
>>They are still just stubbers at the end of the day
>No they're not, compare real life miniguns to machine-guns, rate of fire is not the only place they differ.

From pic
>These weapons were multi-barreled Stubbers, using electric motors to maintain an extremely high rate of fire from their spinning barrel.
>Their medium caliber-slugs lacked the power of Bolter shells,

So give them rending to represent their rate of fire like assault cannons and be done.

>>49323815
>"they might be lying to protect future plots"
>Posts screenshot of them saying he's dead

Shit ya beat me cant argue with that flawless logic

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>>49323792
Looking at the size compared to the models carrying them I doubt they're supposed to be microguns.

>>49321270
>>49321301

And we stole our grand cruiser back.

>>49323845
>>49323888
So, Salvo 3/4 Rending and we make them free? We fixed Rotor guns?
>Mfw no angry quiet russian man

>>49323913
with rending theyd be worth 5 points each 2bh

>>49323864
>"they might be lying to protect future plots"
Except you never said that. And if you do want to go the route of assuming BL/FW/GW will lie to you, you're basically putting your fingers in your ears going "lalala can't hear the BL loremaster lalalalala" so really nothing's going to get through that level of delusion.

Why are ALfags stuck on the "denial" stage of grief anyway? Most people have at least moved on to anger by now.

>>49323913
Rending is only ever good on things with high RoF, and 40 rending shots is insane-it would kill five terminators as easily as five marines. Either make it 2/3 rending with a short range ( with salvo, 12/18") or just make it salvo 4/8 for the Death by a Thousand Cuts

>>49323845
Ok, you got me on the wording. A minigun is described as a multi-barreled machinegun too, but it still doesn't fire rifle ammunition. Also isn't a stubber S4 in the first place ? Doesn't that mean the rotor cannon should be S4 in the first place ?

>>49323270
>The filename
How dare you debase our lord and saviour Scoria by comparing him to one of those Indonesian motorcycle repair manual mascots.

also please don't be scum and bandwagon wolves because of yiff, we're hoping FW won't fuck up and make them MAXIMUM OVERWOLF like they are in 40k

>>49323998
Stubbers, autoguns and similar are all s3. Modern-level weapons, as seen in Militia and Cults, are 18" S3 Assault 1 AP-

>>49323913
Rending is too good to make it free. Keep it's price or give it better S and AP instead of rending to stop it from being auto-include.

Just making it free without change in the stats wouldn't help much as well, as making a bad weapon free won't encourage people to take it if they can pay 5-10 points for a better gun that is of actual use.

>>49317543

- Blood Ravens / Thousand Sons

- Minotaurs / Iron Warriors

- Soul Drinkers / Alpha Legion

>>49323982
I guess so. Even MCs would be affected.
Higher rate of fire, it is. 4/6?
>>49323998
If it says it lacks the power of bolters, then they're S3.
It's heavy stubbers the ones you're thinking about. Heavy stubbers are .50 cal Brownings, no exceptions.

>>49324016
Better more shots than harder shots, to make it different from the other weapons.

>>49324027
Silver Skulls as well?

>>49323657
At S4, 10 man support squad would have equal amounts of firepower to 20 man tactical squad, along with 6" more range.

>>49324046

Silver Skulls supposedly come from Ultramarines.

>>49324027
>Minotaurs
Either genetic mutts, or Sons of Horus. Where are you getting IW for them from? They have no meat to grind, they use overwhelming numbers and top-grade tech.
>Not silver Skulls for IW
>Not Red Scorpions for EC

>>49324064
SUPPOSEDLY
so did the Swords of Haldroth until they realised they suffered from the red thirst and the black rage...

>>49320071
>>49320097
>anon says crotch studs
>post pictured of models with no studs on their crotch
>call anon a retard

>>49324070

I'm getting that from the lore.

It's heavily implied they're iron warrior successors.

I'm not making it up, it's the official lore.

>>49323957
Ill admit i didnt bother to check who you quoted but that point was still made

>>49324084

Carmine Blades are stated in the lore as being clear Blood Angels successors.

Just because Silver Skulls look aesthetically like loyal Iron Warriors doesnt mean they are.

>>49324092
Source me that, then? I've read most things about them, as far as i can tell, and its never been stated as anything. Theres conjecture they're from a mixture of traitor stock, and they use tactics similar to the Lunar Wolves. Whereas the Silver Skulls use very similar tactics to the IW, use the exact same iconography and came into being just after the heresy, when it is outright stated that loyalist traitors were re-integrated into chapters the same as everyone else.

>>49324042

I agree, more shots is the best. Make it proper BRRRT, whether 4/6, or even something nutbar like 6/8. Huge quantities of S3 shooting to make a mess of xenos with low saves and toughness.

>>49324064
Come on, they have to be Dantioch's dudes, "honorary Ultramarines" and such.
>>49324027
Also Red Scorpions from EC.

>>49324070
Weren't there two Minotaurs? The first ones were very violent, and the second ones' Chapter tactics and Greek theme point to the IW, but it remains only as speculation.

>>49324027
Sons of Antaeus / Death Guard

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>>49324230
Yep, the first Minotaurs were Cursed Founding, red and yellow with stripes and had a load of problems that screamed "World Eater geneseed yo"

The second set have chimeric geneseed, but the bulk is IW - because they were a pretty good legion and it's incredibly stable

>>49323815
I don't particularly mind that Alpharius is dead (just confused since there seems to be a lot of loose plot threads because of that), but isn't it still possible for him to come back to life in some ways?

Aside from the gene tech they stole from the Raven Guard (if BL haven't forgotten about that plot point), couldn't Chaos just straight up resurrect him? I mean it wasn't like he was favored by any of the gods (as far as we know, I think Tzeentch would have really appreciated him), but I'd think they would still like as many Primarchs on their side as possible. Plus him being brought back by Chaos and possibly corrupted by them would explain some of the actions of the Alpha Legion in recent 40k.

>>49320760
Probably their source of inspiration. But knowing how so many Word Bearers are faithless dogs FW will probably make them turn out to be something else.

>>49324042
You could keep the AP at 6 to keeping in with the "not as strong as bolters" by having them have penetration but give them S4 and explain it that some forge worlds acquired some new ammunition type STC just be forever the Heresy and just now started producing it.

>>49321142
No. Bad scorpion. If that happens then no more Ironfire.

>>49324332
by having them have less penetration power*

>>49324007
>also please don't be scum and bandwagon wolves because of yiff
i will if they give them digganobz in 30k
>we're hoping FW won't fuck up and make them MAXIMUM OVERWOLF like they are in 40k
they probably will. TWC and digganobz are strong as fuck

Does anyone here play Victory is Vengeance? How does it compared Herald of Ruin kill team ?

>>49324113
Both The UM and the IW were normie marines, so it'd be easy to hide a chapter of IW among a legion of UM, like how they are also implied to harbor marines from the missing legions.

I mean, a lot of psykers + Ahriman and other command references, including the symbol imply the Blood Ravens are TS Corvidae.

But what would make the IW stand out from the rest? They're the most normal marines of the whole bunch, more so than even the UM.
>>49324386
ADB!

Does anyone have links to the red books not included in the OP ?

>>49324496
>Iron Warrior prospects have an unusual inclination for the name Joe, and a strange affinity for Recaf compared to any other marine, initiate or not.

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>>49320793

Are you me, Anon? I swear I was planning pretty much the same exact thing(going for that man-at-arms look to go with my space Arthurian Knights). You could even use the leftover Skitarii to make those Secutarii guys once they get their 30k rules.

Why the flying fuck are the regular-ass infantry for the Scions 35 burgerbucks for 5? This is at Dire Avengers levels of bullshit.
Sometimes I think GW decides the pricing for kits by throwing darts at a board then multiplying the result by 10.

i know that's not the right thread to ask, but any of you have the traitor's hate pdf? please?

L U P E R C A L
U
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E
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C
A
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>>49324283
>the first Minotaurs were Cursed Founding

No, first minotaurs are from way before the cursed founding, the second minotaurs are from the cursed founding.

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Finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel with these guys.

>>49326452
Looking sweet.

>>49323657
I would love those models for my Auxilia if they were even equal to the Volkite Chargers that they start with.

>>49326452
Not enough bloodspatter, they're cleary Alpha Legion posers

>>49320373
>>49320223
Can't do that with Salamanders
>First I was really ornate with fire and anvils
>Then I had more fire. and more anvils. Its different.

>>49316627
Why are there so many anthologies coming out?

4 out of the last 10 books or something?

>>49327743
Because they released a LOT of "exclusive" short stories, and they want to sell those to the people that didn't buy them when they were "limited".

>>49327812
That's fair enough, a lot of the short-stories were annoyingly tricky to get your hands on.

Nonetheless....I was so excited when I returned from a 6 month "reading hiatus" to discover all these new books.

>>49319882
Studs are armour reinforcements, not a hallmark of any particular mark. Theyre called molecular bonding studs and get added where needed. Even dreadnoughts can have them.

>>49328251
I'd be fun to know how they work. If they were just rivets, they'd call them rivets.

>>49320158
>Bonding studs are used as reinforcement on high stress areas
>Mk.V
>crotch-studs

Boy, the Heresy was quite something huh.

>>49328342
The crotch-studs are on the armour mark from around the time the Emperor's Children went full Slaanesh. Coincidence ? I think not !

>>49328299
Molecular bonding rivets. Like when you close two telephone guides together, but on the molecular level.
So, kinda like an instant alloy.
>>49328342
;^)
>>49328386
Exaaactly.

>>49328405
>Molecular bonding rivets.

They're called "studs" aren't they?

>>49316795
Their objectives were two part; one was to start the Ruinstorm; true; but the second one was to destroy the Ultramarines and kill Guilliman.

With literally ALL of the advantages they still only accomplished one; butchered two and lost literally their entire force; which was basically half of their legion.

It's a testament to their shitiness

>>49321400
Hey based anon; do you have by any chance Myriad?

>>49317306
>but Ultramarines were never a factor in the heresy from that point on, which was what Lorgar promised Horus
Only, y'know, the part where Horus lowered the shields because Guilliman was coming.

Are all traitors this lore ignorant?

>>49328608
It was hardly just Guilliman. El'Johnson had relieved Russ and the Wolves from their hunters and Dark Angels were at that point perhaps the only mostly intact legion, except for Luther's sedition. So yeah, I'd say the prospect of facing the Wolf and the Lion at the same time was worse than facing the Emperor to Horus.

>>49321142
Mc Neill fixe Perty in Angel Exterminatus; ADB is a meme
>>49321157
AE came after Crimson Fist

>>49326419
I double-checked lexicanum, the berzerkers were the Cursed (M36), but disappeared some time M38 - the new Minotaurs appeared at the beginning of M41, during the Macharian Heresy

>>49328533

since when is 50.000 half of 180.000 nominal strength?

Betrayal lists approx 100.000 UM dead, with another unspecified number stuck on Calth, meaning that if anything, UM losses were just as bad, if not even more given that the WB elements deployed weren't exactly the most sane.

>>49323701
1) It's one thing to notice your brother when there's only three legionnaires in a room; completely another to notice him in a world of literally trillions
2) Alpharius' gambit was to try to get Dorn on his side and explain the Cabal; hoping that it would save both their legions pain
3) true dat
>>49323754
4) they already explain it; having a fucking primarch infiltrate Terra with nboody noticing is an incredible blow to morale

>>49328846
Yes; but remember that they literally had all of the advantages possible to them; and it was still a pyrrhic victory.

>>49328753
>le big bad autismo and furry
>not the blue guy with 100,000 marines

>>49321400
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/waavg7n83sjedn7/praetorian_of_dorn_john_french.epub

Awesome, thanks, this is really helpful. I was just wondering how to navigate to the folder where the other files (specifically the audiobook version of Praetorian) are stored? This (and the other links posted) is just giving me the download for that specific file! Thanks!

>be Horus
>be leader of all the Imperial armies in the galaxy
>decide to go traitor
>have literally all the advantages possible
>still fail
Are traitors autistic by nature or just turn into ones when they go chaos

>>49329086
I dunno... typhon kinda got what he wanted... became immortal and shit

>>49329086
It's almost like people got issues turning on their government just because the generals tells them to.

>>49328855
Yeah, nobody noticed >LUPERCAL! LUPERCAL! screaming on every vox on Terra.

>>49328889
>resorts to worst memes
Guilliman will probably manage to rebuild to more than 100k by the Siege, but if you think another 100k Dark Angels and several thousand pissed off Space Wolves that survived through the Wolf Cull are anything to ignore, I have nothing else to add to my case.

>>49329141
There's a difference between getting infiltrated by common legionnaires and discovering Alpharius was there.
>100k Dark Angels
more like 30k.

The others are either on Caliban or were engaged in Segmentum Obscurus with Typhon

>>49329172

Sauce on that Dear Anon?

>>49329252
Angels of Caliban; Path of Heaven; By the Lion's Command; Vengeful Spirit

>>49329322
much appreciated :)

>>49326452
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLEuqHcOpJw
the light of saint Duncan has shone on you this day

>>49329639
no prob

>>49329172
>>49329322
Imperium Secundus was dissolved in 012.M31, the Lion still has plenty of time to gather the legion and head to Terra.

>>49328889
I think it was more that Horus' forces were already somwhat expended, speciall with all the Emperor's Children running off to do naughty things with the citizens of Terra in adittion to the loyalist sackers showing up that made him decide to take that huge gamble. It also appears that the Thousand Sons have been retconned out of the Siege of Terra, so even more of a disadvantage

>>49330066
Except the part where they're on different sides of the Ruinstorm; the Pharos is malfunctioning and he doesn't know where Corswain is exactly to get Tuchulcha to transport him

>>49330100
This is the problem with the Blood Angels being on Macragge. It was fine having the Ultramarines and a few others cut off, but the BA managing to get back to Terra in time raises questions of why the UM and DA didn't manage it. BL have just made a rod for their own back.

medusa, medusa phosphex, or basilisk
also running havocs, and not sure whether to make them autocannons or missiles yet.
making iron fire, I think basilisk's would benefit more from iron fire bonuses and also like the model more
>>49330178
>deja moo

>>49330178
An anon a few threads back had a good idea
>all three primarchs and legions get to Pharos
>supercharge it for one last try
>all three will themselves to be on terra
>but since it's emphatic it only responds to emotions
>Guilliman wills himself to terra but is ashamed about Imperium Secundus and wants to stay to protect Ultramar so he gets transported back to Macragge
>Lion wills himself to Terra but is also ashamed about IS and gets transported to Caliban or whatever
>Sanguinus wills himself to Terra and his desire to kill Horus is stronger than his shame of being Emperor while his dad was alive so he gets there

>>49330234
The only issue with that is the Pharos being broken when the Night Lords attacked it. Appearantly it's hardly usefull anymore

>>49330315
It's still got juice just nothing compared to before.

Maybe they fix it with the resurrected Vulkan's help or other such deus ex machina bullshit

>>49320486
>Germany and Italy vs. Brazil, the US, and Little Italy
>Massive, resounding defeat

And on that day Germany swore to never lose to Brazil again.

>>49320603
>Japan (not present)

Every fucking time

>>49324113
>Just because Silver Skulls look aesthetically like loyal Iron Warriors doesnt mean they are.

The founder of the Silver Skulls wore an iron mask that he never took off. The Iron Warrior who joined the Ultramarines to help bolster the defense of Ultramar and assist their legion to better learning siege warfare wore an iron mask that he could not take off. That Iron Warrior (goddammit I can't remember his name) formally joined the Ultramarines after the personal invitation of RG, who told him he was welcome to lead his own special task force to further capitalize on his strengths.

It's pretty much all but openly said that the Silver Skulls are Iron-Warriors descendants.

>>49330541
Serves them right for working with the Italians.
>>49330637
Dantioch. Dantioch was his name.

>>49330637
dantioch
dies by overloading the Pharos to save the imperium from the night lords, guilliman honours his sacrifice most likely

I can fire barrage weapons outside LoS and range right, the grammar in the rule book is fucked, so i'm thinking its a yes but just wanted to check with you guys before posting

Has anyone read any of the two primarchs series, and if so; can he give his opinion of them?

>>49330886

Two? Only one has been released, and it was mediocre at best.

>>49330804
You can fire barrage at targets out of LOS, but not outside the maximum range of the weapon.

You can fire within the minimum range, but then there's no BS substraction from the scatter roll

>>49330899
Oh right, thought the Russ one was already released.

So not worth the price?

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>>49330340
>It's still got juice just nothing compared to before.

Oi!
Heretics!
Betrayers!
Traitors and Ne'er-do-wells!
Nobody, bu' nooobody jus' pops ou' o' the warp on this 'ere Imperium Secundus wifou' me say-so!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woL5WsFxrHI&index=25&list=PL737AAF44B24CCB75

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>>49330637
Nobody cared who he was until he put on the mask ;'^(

>>49331000
someone make a 'wake me up, cant wake up' maymay out of this
>>49330904
cool so that's sorted the medusas out, how about with a basilisk.
Its minimum range is 36, but can I use barrage to place it closer than that and then roll 2d6 for scatter

>>49331067
If I take that off will you die like all the other imperial dogs

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>>49331101
>Its minimum range is 36
Isn't that only for indirect fire?

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>>49331126
It would be extremely painfull...

>>49331101
No, if you have to fire below minimum range with a barrage weapon, you MUST direct-fire the weapon, so you need los and calculate wounds from the front of the targeted unit instead of from the center of the blast. Basically, any shot taken below minimum range ignores the barrage rule entirely.

>>49331173
age of darkness only lists one method of firing, maybe it's a guard only thing to have 2 firing modes on basilisks

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>>49331173
>>49331244
I could be bothered

>>49331244
Check barrage in the BRB

>>49331244
Nah, the profile in the guard codex only has one method of firing as well.

Minimum range indeed only matter for targets you cannot see. You can fire just fine at targets within minimum range, as long as you do have LOS.
Wound allocation is however always from the center of the blast, even when firing directly. This is why Barrage weapons are now the best snipers in the GrimDark

>>49331244
A weapon only needs to have the Barrage special rule to be able to fire normally or fire indirectly. In the latter case, you can fire at targets outside LOS but at targets within minimum range

>>49331387
>*not at targets within etc.

well I fucked that up

Didn't the Bitter Warriors face off against the Space Wolves at Vannaheim?

>>49331239
if its still a blast weapon wont it still allocate wounds from the middle of the template
>>49331356
thanks

fellow iron riders, is it worth taking nuncio voxes or is it better to save the points for even more artillery

>>49331465
Nope, barrage is the only time wounds are a located from the center. If you want the abstract reasoning, imagine that unless the attack is barrage, it always hits the front, and the blast size determines how many dudes around the first guy also get hit.

So did Emps know about Alpharius Omegon or what?

>XX primarch's sigil in gene lab is twin cherubs
>allows the Alpha Legion to have TWO gloriana class battleships

>>49331465
> it still allocate wounds from the middle of the template

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49332446
He most likely did know about them, but wasn't expecting twins. Remembering that one of his children being a big red giant, one having wings, and one having metal hands must haven ruined the shock of twins.

>>49332489
In The First Heretic, when Argel Tal is transported to Mount Narodnaya and shown the Primarch project, the Primarchs are visible in their "pods".

I'm fairly certain that in that scene Argel Tal gets the impression that one pod contained two smaller Primarchs, which confused him.

>Chaos Gods try to corrupt XX primarch whilst inside incubator
>Fails, one primarch becomes two
>One stone faced mook with a oversized chainsword as compensation beheads one half of XX primarch
>Half of XX primarch is kill

Git Gud (This is why Chaos always loses)

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>>49332446
>>49332489
I thought Alpharius was torn off by the warp portal, and half of him ended in the tech-planet where the Alpharius half gets fixed and nursed to health, until the xenos attack, eventually becoming a pirate, while the half that remained behind, Omegon, was raised by Emps.

As such, Alpharius would have been fixed using cyberization and prosthetics. That's why "the one on the throne was the largest, and his armour and demeanour screamed that this was a lord of the Alpha Legion... But there was something too blunt about that picture. Archamus had had a fleeting impression of a slight restriction in the way he moved, as though the figure were as much armour and machine as flesh.

And it would be because it was true, at least for Alpharius.

>>49333907

The unplanned organism is a question asked by nature and answered by death. You are a different kind of question, with a different kind of answer.

>>49333907
Maybe that's the reason he's immune to Poison and Fleshbane in-game.

>>49332489
>and one having metal hands
I thought Ferrus' hands only turned to metal after fighting that Necron like thing on the planet he landed on?

>>49334815
Emps probably did not expect that though.

>>49333907
>>49334671
Of course! He's more machine than man!

>>49332489
Im pretty sure he expected twins, at least as far BL canon goes, since in Deliverance Lost the techpriest analyzing the primarch project does say that one sample seemed to imply that the resources fed to the primarchs were split in two.

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Anyone else here love these Not!Dreadnoughts?

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>>49334815
No, he was already born with metal hands and missing his head.

>>49335261
Alas, poor Frank. 'Twas his finest hour.

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>>49335240
How does one use the Reductor's shock troops? As in, what job can they do that no other Mechanicum unit can do better?

Do we have any info about when production of Betrayal at Calth will end?

How to do IW hazard stripes?

>>49335295
Have Jet packs and cool lightning guns.

And be Dreadnoughts without being a dreadnought.

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>>49335311
Mini 2mm Masking tape, and extremely fine yellows. Were I not as lazy, I'd link you to Dantioch's Iron Warriors thread where he probably said his instructions for them.

>>49317016
It can best be described as tactically inconclusive but a strategic traitor victory. The traitor plan was for the Smurfs to be completely annihilated, instead Kor'Phaeron was sent running with a hole in his chest and the planet remained part of Ultramar. Also the plan to use the Furious Abyss to destroy Macragge failed.

It's a bit sad, since the Word Bearers had every concievable advantage but still couldn't finish the job. ADB has salvaged it for the Bearers by basically having Lorgar/Erebus not give a damn about any aspect of the battle besides having enough bodies to fuel the ruinstorm

>>49335127
>>49334671
Alpharius was so big that even when split up he became two Primarchs (Alpharius' cybernetics and the Emperor's genecraft on Omegon), and his(their) children's gigantism is explained that way.

He was going to be the T8 Primarch, but got split up and recovered to T6.

It also means he's the Alfa and the Omega, but ironically Omegon was the first Primarch found (because he never left), while Alpharius was the last one. And both kept their identities secret to Horus, who believed himself to be the first Primarch to be found and also thought he knew Alpharius the best.

>>49319058
>what the actual fuck

This literally happens. Alpharius and Dorn appear, but since Alphy killed one of Dorn's bros (Huscarls commander) he's mad as shit. Alpharius literally says something along the lines of "let me explain brother" but Dorn just opens his men to open figure and then cuts Alphy into pieces.

>>49319882
They're used for quick-fixes armor bonding. They're most prevelant on Mk.V because Mk.V was the most hastily assembled

Really the best Astartes model was Mk.IV, everything since then was a downgrade. Except Mk.VI which was meant to suppliment it by serving a different role

>>49335562
>Mk.IV the best
In your opinion, anon. MkIV is simply a slightly less complicated MkII. MkIII still provided the best protection, however.

>>49321142
Graham McNeil managed to salvage Perturabo into a decent character.

In Angel Exterminatus he went from:

>Bitterfag who massacres his own men for no reason and joyously betrayed the Emperor for little reason

to

>Unrecognized scientific genius with a deep appreciation for Earth's history, a builder who wishes to construct peaceful things but is forced to only make tools of war. Has been genuinely sidelined while being forced to undertake thankless occupation duties. Betrayed the Emperor because Horus was the only guy who treated him with respect.

>>49335530
Alpharius didn't actually kill the Huscarl commander. He stabbed him in the primary heart with The Pale Spear, but despite that the commander just gets up after a while to try and block one of Big Al's strikes. Yes, we might have the first case here of a named weapon being more shit in the fluff than in the actual game ladies and gentlemen.
>Talk about a biased writer huh :^)

>>49335614
>Horus was the only guy who treated him with respect.
If we ignore the fact he made Perturabo swear an oath of service to his cause. That's the reason Perturabo put on the line everything on Tallarn.

>>49332446
Emps knew everything. He designed all the primarchs and engineered their fates. Note that Night Lords from Terra had pale skin, were recruited from criminals, and could see better in the dark before Curze had even been found. This is true with all the legions. Weird!

He knew the Heresy was coming and which primarchs would go traitor. he wanted to be interred on the golden throne.

He's playing 354D chess for an end-game we can't comprehend. Even Guilliman admits that this is probably the case

>>49335704
Horus became a big dick after isstvan III. It's a bit of a plotpoint. He's a shadow of his former self in terms of charisma

>>49335353
Jesus how shades of anthrax for that dull steel?

>>49335734
>He knew the Heresy was coming and which primarchs would go traitor.

I still think the Emperor planned for a heresy that didnt have Horus, but the gods one upped him and made even more legions betray him as Horus united all the traitors together.

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>>49335754
>Horus became a big dick after isstvan III
Funny how you can change so much in less than six years. Also, Horus only lasted four years as the Warmaster until he was on Chaos' thrall, wtf?

>>49335790
About two/three shades of Agrax, Mr. Anthrax.


Also, when will FW release official Grox models w/rules?

Should I take basilisks or convert them into Medusas for my Bitter Warriors?

>>49335873
Get the FW legion ones because I think they look cooler.

Ask yourself this:
Do I need long range barrage that I won't ever need to move, or short range Marine Remover?

>>49335700
But doesn't the Pale Spear literally dissolve the flesh surrounding the area it struck? And not to mention the idea of it being blocked in the first place is odd considering it can phase out like other weapons of suspected Necron origins.

>>49335754
There was always talk about how "nobody could dislike Horus" in the Black Library books (subtle jokes there guys), but I never found him particularly charismatic. Hell Lorgar fit the bill more in that regard in my opinion, his misguided ideal of what Chaos could be actually made me sympathize with the guy even if he was so, so very fucking wrong. His corruption seemed a lot more gradual and natural than Horus' too, at least that's how it felt to me.

>>49335912
Lorgar was the most charismatic of the Primarchs, but Horus was the most well-liked, not counting Sanguinias.

>>49335955
Sorry, but that was Horus's thing besides being the best at everything more so than his brothers.

>>49335983
Meh. Than what was Lorgar's shtick again, other than resemblling the Emperor the most, and being the most beautiful Primarch, not counting Sanguinias?

>>49335840
Horus got around fast. Got to show why he was Top Son.

>>49336011
Being an evil more preachy version of Rowboat.
>Word Bearer Prime
>beautiful
I'm not seeing it.

>>49335840
Lorgar waited 70 or so years after turning traitor to start the Heresy. They waited until certain things he supported, like the Council of Nikea, Legion Lodges, and Horus being Warmaster to come into effect.

>>49336039
Al, you ain't fooling anyone. Lorgar was canonically described as being beautiful. And appropriately so, as his resemblance to the Emperor was greater than the rest of his brothers.


Are you saying the Emperor isn't beautiful, anon?

>>49335912
Not in Praetorian of Dorn it doesn't. In that book when it cuts somebody some blood and a whisp of smoke happens but that's it. Bit of a disappointment compared to the discription in Alpharius' unit entry

>>49336075
I'm not saying that about Emps, but Lorgar's a slave to baldness.

>>49335754
>Battle for Gate 42
Raven Guard ordered to frontal assault
>Ullanor Campaign
White Scars and Ultramarines unwittingly serve as decoy while Horus takes all the glory
He was always a dick.

>>49336088
Maybe the spear was a copy, as was Alpharius.

>>49336249
Horus betrayed his brothers long before betraying the Imperium.

>>49335614

And then John French wrote Extermination, which has retconned that all over again.

>>49336292
John French is master of retcon. Abnett, McNeil, ADB, and so on have been spending years delicately building up an Alpha Legion civil war between Alpharius and Omegon and French went and torpedoed it all in 20 pages

Though if the popular theory that alpharius faked his death from Omegon is true it could be the beginning of something grand

>>49336410

French is one of ADB's closest friends. Apparently he was consulting ADB the entire time he was writing Praetorian of Dorn. So it definitely has his blessing if no-one elses.

>>49336410
Who says you need Alpharius for an Alpha Legion civil war? Him being dead could be why there is one.

>>49336410
>Though if the popular theory that alpharius faked his death from Omegon is true it could be the beginning of something grand

Somehow the last few books from BL haven't exactly filled me with confidence about them being able to pull something like that off.

What if Rotor cannons were useful?

What if I wrote a list focused on Breachers that might actually work, but probably wouldn't?

What if I asked a meaningful question and pondered my life choices?

What if I knew how to play Only War before decidimg to GM it for my friends?

>>49336410
Mate, you know that French himself, iirc, even stated that that was the real Alpharius that died. Omegon really and truly is alone.

>>49325697
I might be.

I had already made some normal scions with the Skit heads and I fell in love.

But yeah, GW prices. And I just checked that new FLGS's facebook, and they'd had a 20% off sale on all GW things on 9/11 weekend. God dammit.

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>>49337010
>9/11 weekend
Is this how it's called these days?