Are guns dishonorabru in a fantasy setting?

>>49312874
Yes,

>>49312874
Depends on the setting.

>>49312874
That's like asking "is magic dishonorabru" or "are horses dishonorabru?"

Why would they be? Everyone should always use the best tools available to them.

>>49312874
No.

>>49312874
Orlando Furioso says yes.

Fuck you, wizards.

>>49312874
It depends on the setting

>>49312874

No, but is a menace to social order. The Great chain of being. You don't want to give peasants the fire of the gods.

>>49312874
No more so than a bow or some shitter electrocuting you from 20m away.

Outside of duels, I don't see much need or room for honorable combat.

Nope.
No more than in real life, and even the hardcore "muh honor" rebels at Shiroyama had guns.

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>>49312874
Guns are dishonorabu because they give peasants a chance to kill a knight.

>muh alchemical advances upsetting le social order

If a fantasy setting has guns, then those guns will be at least as good as revolvers, because fuck realism.

And there is always the honor of the wastes.

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>>49313126
How is it honorable to kill someone you can't even reach? It's like destroying the fabric of space. Distance becomes meaningless. Fucking archers.

>>49312874
In a place where you have to fight big guys that weight a ton, no

>>49313394
Because the universe is devoid of honor.

>>49313317
Doesn't that apply to metallurgy as well?

>>49313317
So is mud also dishonorabru?

>>49313394
That comic is retarded.
Muh arrows through plate memery is retarded.
Fucking angloboos.

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>>49312874
Only if you don't got a gun.

>>49314381
what's the show?

>>49314402
House

>>49314402

Probably A Bit of Fry and Laurie.

>>49314135
Actually the battle of Agincourt, the terrain being muddy, did favor the archers because well wearing thick ass metallic armor would cause the wearer to slow down.

>>49314480
slowing a target down doesn't make the arrows penetrate better

it makes it easier to knock someone over and stab them in the neck with a dagger

>>49314480
Yes, and the knights died because they got bogged down in the mud and set upon in melee by enemies who could actually move. Not because "muh english longbow can put arrows through solid steel" as the comic asserts.

>>49314381
It's just me or I think Laurie has more chances than Fry?

>>49314624
Welsh Longbows can though. :^)

>>49314736
And katanas can cut through tanks

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>>49313069
I once let my one of my players have a Caster Gun like the one from Outlaw Star in a fantasy setting.
Not only is it a gun. It's a gun that shoots magical spells.
Yeah, I fucked up, but it was still fun.

>>49314736
>t. sheepshagger

>>49314767
And tanks can take out an naval fleet.

>>49314775
There's a class that does that in iron kingdoms

>>49314775
But, the Caster is inherently balanced by its incredibly pricey and hard to find shells. At least if you kept that part.

>>49314624
those in plate steel were mostly taken prisoner.
those in plate iron were fucked because longbow can well put an arrow through plate iron.

>>49314767
No but seriously though, Needle Bodkin head arrows can get through plate armour and cause lethal wounds.

>>49312874
If the setting's got gunpowder it's not fantasyland anymore. It's just a colony in the process of being civilised.

>>49314924
wew lad

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>>49314820

>>49314812
Steel was significantly harder to make back then.

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>>49314973

>>49315010
>plate sits directly over bare flesh

>>49315010
>testing against perfectly flat surfaces
yeah, all those perfectly cuboid soldiers people sent out would be fucked

but back in the real world, armor was (and technically still is) shaped specifically to avoid that shit

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>>49312874
they aren't knightly weapons, the lady looks down upon those who use them

>>49315256
the reason they don't use guns is because they shove all the guns onto their navy

>>49315010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3997HZuWjk

Do you want them to be dishonorabu?

>>49312874
Yes. Funs are inherently dishonorable. They act as an equalizer and disincentivize "fair" combat. On the other hand, war wasn't particularly honorable before their introduction, Guns just made our less so

>>49312874

Depends on setting, warhammer you had bretons who loathed gunpowder weaponry but in the empire it's seen as prestigous in noble circles to afford and be good with them.

You got knight orders who sees it as below them and other ones who find them practical.

>>49316264
>puts everyone on an equal level
>this is somehow unfair
Yeah I guess armoured knights can't run roughshod over peasants anymore. What an injustice!

>Setting is 1700's
>Character is weak as shit
>Still nobleman but can't fight
>Shoots love rival in his sleep with 2 flintlocks
>Hanged for murder

Best rp of my life.

>>49312874
Guns? Yes.
Boom Stick? Hell no.

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>>49316506
>shooting a sleeping enemy

>>49316459
you're conflating justice with honor, anon. the patron class had the artists, poets and philosophers hold up the concept of honor as a means of control, going all the way back to the ancient Greeks. the definition of what was honorable changed, but it was always something the the upper class had and you, the peasant/serf/subsistence farmer, did not

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THE GUNMANCERS ARE HERE

>>49313317

until they become the standard weapon and then people with more skill win over people without skill and training.

do you think a ghetto gangster is more lethal than a veteran special forces operator?

if "knights" lost against a peasant is for being a dumbfuck with no clue for tactics and weapon technology.

tl;dr: if it doesn't break your game, then it's OK.