How does /tg/ like its beast races?

All female and horny. They have to kidnap Human men to breed. Human women take up arms to keep those damn beastfolk away from their men!

>people who dont implement them for whatever reason and just want to tell us we are having fun the wrong way can move on without a post.-Edition
Go fuck yourself OP, you can't tell me what to do.

>>49307492
Fuck off back to the Monstergirls wiki.

>>49307492
back to /monster/
and fap before posting

signed: op

>>49307461

I like them varied. I know it's a non-answer, but it's the only one I can give.

Some of the beast races are closer to humanity, and some of them are rather more alien or weird in mindset. A dog-person or wolf-person is always going to be more easy to relate for a human than a merfolk. This doesn't mean that there aren't friendships or commerce or the like, though. It just leads to the occassional culture clash.

I do generally have them fairly beastly, though. None of this "dog ears on perfectly human dude" thing. You're an ox-man? Then you're basically a small, swole minotaur, bro. Milk that for all it's worth!

In general, though, I try to make them people. People of varying degrees of weird, but people.

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>>49307461

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>>49307461
Not even trying.

>>49307461
I don't mind anything on that scale, as long as it fits the game world in a way that isn't exempt from common sense.

>>49307461
Grade 4. Still basically animals, but they can walk, talk, and hold stuff.

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>>49307731

>>49307461
I can work with any of them, but I enjoy 4 the most. Give them usable hands, though.

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>>49307461

A little bit past 1 is as far as it should go.

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My beastfolk are pretty much the Laguz from Fire Emblem. Minus the extended lifespans.

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If I'm adding them I never cross into furnace territory.

>>49307731

>those names

10/10

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>>49309165
mine would be directly on the furnace line with tendency towards not furry.

I like em beasty.

>>49307916
I looked that up once. Surprisingly, most sounds a fox makes are pretty close to that video.

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>>49307461
The farthest I'd go is between 2 and 3
or
>>49309165
On the furnace line
I find dog people are a better indicator because as soon as you go full snout you've crossed the line.

Monsters. Beastmen are vicious savage monsters. They rape and pillage like barbarians and have no redeeming qualities. They're the spawn of foul powers mingling with natural beasts. They are beasts become like men, not men become like beasts.

i don't implement them and you're having fun wrong.

When it's just me at home without any pants on the internet? Anything naked.

When Im playing a game with my Bro's on the weekend? Long as it's not magical realm territory to make things awkward I don't care.

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>>49307461
I do them short and cute. Something like 2 or 3.
Started as a background characters. Players were... wary of them, to say the least.

Minimal interaction. Then an NPC companion was introduced. Still a minor role.
Took me one and a half a year but I finally got the fuckers. Players, I mean. One of them is now fine with flirting with them critters.
I am now 100% sure I can manipulate my players' fetishes. I already made one fucker like traps once, I can make the other one like furries.
I am become fetishmancer.
I'm not even into furries

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>>49307461
Personally, I've always felt that it should depend on what the group is comfortable with, and how mature enough you are to not sexualize them like a creep.

Then again, the same could be said for many thi GE inter hobby.

As for My personal tastes, I find furry, mimi, and rubber forehead ayy to be boring. If I'm going to bother putting in non-human races, I want them to actually appear unique and interesting in their own right. Afterall, humans don't look like chimps or bonobos, so why should the races look exactly like either humans or animals?

And that's IF I bother putting in nonhumans in the first place.

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Pic related is where I draw the line for sexy animal people, but I also use animal races that are basically bipedal versions of animals (and not sexy, unless you find swole crocodiles or yaks to be sexy). Tauric races are also OK most of the time..

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>tldr

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>>49307461
Full furry. No need to beat around the bush.
>I like my Lizards Aztec or Inca.
>Cats Egyptian
>Wolves Roman
>Foxes/Naga Arabian
>Cows Greek
>Birds Native American
>Bears Celtic
>Big cats Chinese or Indian
>Hyenas Voodoo
>Rodents/Lions English
>Rabbits French
>and Beetles/Insects Japanese

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>>49307461
Main beast race is various mammalian animals like cats, dogs, foxes, and squirrels turned into 1.
Satyrs are probably like 1.5
Mer-people and the monkey-people like pic related are probably 2 by definition

>>49309879
>i like my races to be as boring as possible

>>49310220
Brah, Arabian Foxes are the best.
>Fast and quick as a whirling dervish
>Sly enough to deal with Djinn
>Clever and ruthless traders
>Dressed in all sorts of colorful finery
>Haram of vixens draped in silk, will quickly tear apart those who threaten the Sultan
>Magical artifacts everywhere, guarded by puzzles only the quick-minded can solve

>>49307461
There's a whole other scale this picture fails to represent. It's going near maximum cuteness and the furry race at every stage of this only has its features FOR the cuteness. I'll accept a furry race no questions asked but probably not if it's just furbait or a cutesy anime girl. Unless I'm GMing some kind of high school adventure.

>>49310305
yep, just as boring as i expected

>>49310318
why would you play an ugly character, you must be some kind of gross nerd lol

>>49310305
So, old good sly arabs combined with old good sly foxes? That's a whole lot of redundant shit.

It's kind of shit, anon

>>49309699
2twisted4me

>>49307461
They range greatly.
Some are animals that talk, some are animal people, some are humans with animal ears.

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Generic races are boring, I'd rather see insectoid or crustacean or amphibian or really just anything that isn't cat/dog/fox/wolf garbage.

>>49310418
i'd rather see cats or dogs or wolves or foxes or really just anything that isn't insect/crab/frog garbage.

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>>49310466
Well, I can't cure your shit taste.

I don't like races that are straight up "A specific animal but like a human", so anything like Dog-people, cat-people etc is out. Lizardmen are usually fine since they seldom are designed after a specific animal. For a mammalian counterpart, wookies are a good example.

and uh I guess that means 3-4 on OP's scale?

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>>49310418
How about moths?

>>49310487
nah you're trash

>>49310513
>a specific animal

you mean like a lizard

>>49307461
Not even trying/10, but i go full ham on their cultures and origins of their species.

Humans are just another kind of beastmen, albeit mutated ones.

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>>49310564
Cool and interesting.
>>49310576
Sorry that you can't jerk it to sea snippers.

>>49310608
>he masturbates

>>49310593
No, like a specific genus or family of animals, such as Canidae. Being loosely based on belonging to a certain order such as Squamata I have no problem with.

>>49307551
>and fap before posting
When will this cancerous meme die?

>>49310675
too bad that's not what you said retard :^)

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Like this.

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>>49307461

I take the George Lucas/Rick & Morty approach to races -- there are a handful of species that you see over and over, like humans, elves, orcs and dwarves, but there's an eclectic mix of other monsters whose species you never learn about, because it would be too time consuming and inappropriate to catalogue them all.

You will never learn why the guy selling you scrolls in the market looks like a giant one-eyed raven in a top hat. He'll be offended if you ask; he looks like a person, and you look like a hairless ape. Fuck you, buy your scrolls elsewhere. Meanwhile there are twelve-legged lizard men, anthropophagi, giant fat walrus-men with fungus growing off of them, and screeching moth monsters that speak only an obscure dialect of Drow Sign Language that you can barely understand -- but you think they'll pay top coin for peaches.

>>49307461
Currently trying to cobble together an empire out of a set of tribes in one of the most inhospitable yet financially lucretive places on the planet.

Remarkable in that they are the only civilized mortal race that doesn't share a common ancestor with humans, elves, dwarves, and orcs so no children, even infertile ones, are possible.

>>49310780
Yes I did. "Lizard" is not a specific animal.

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>>49307461
Like related.
Learn it. Live it.

>>49310701
To be fair: "All female, horny, and the kidnap human men to breed" sounds like the plot to porn. Or monster musume, which is already close enough.

>>49307461
Anything beyond nekomimi (only ears/tail) us permanent banned by me.
If you are a weevil then at least make it less cringe worthy.
I make my beast people a single race with fey ancestry that takes traits from a spirit beast.
For example lizard people just have weird eyes,tounges and a scaly tail an are otherwise fully human.

>>49311195
>fey ancestry
get out.

>>49311107
neither is dog.

>>49307842
link?

>>49311053
That's how i go about it too.

>>49311223
I'm confused now. What is your definition of a specific animal? Do I have to specify breed for it to count, or...?

Hunched posture, bent legs, faces mostly animalistic but with slightly recognizable human qualities, hands resembling those of a human but with claws, body completely covered in thick fur or scales. Personalities are generally that of the animal except with sapience and primitive human intelligence.

>>49311257
>lizard isn't descriptive enough
>dog is
Spell it with me!
C o g n i t i v e
D i s s o n a n c e

>>49311307
There's a pretty damn big difference between a crocodile and a gecko.

>>49311257
i don't get what's hard to understand about this. dog and lizard are categories. they don't reference specific animals.

>>49311361
just like there's a difference between a weiner dog and a mastiff

>>49307461
>How does /tg/ like its beast races?
As is the rule with nearly everything here, it's fine until it devolves into magical realm. Are they a legitimate faction with their own form of culture? Do the females look like slightly weaker males and not big-titty'd bimbos? If it feels like magical realm, it probably is.

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>My beastmen are a primitive savage race-

>>49311408
>the females aren't big-titty'd bimbos

discarded.

>>49311408
>slightly weaker males
Women are not "slightly" weaker than men. They are substantially weaker than men.

>>49311422
>I have incorrect preferences

>>49311390
Nevermind any sensible metric of similarity, going purely by appearnce; I strongly disagree.

>>49311408
>>49311435
shh, let's not start.

also
>not having your beastmen have different sexual dimorphism

>>49311462
no you don't.

>>49311435
Don't start this shit again

>>49311477
>not having your lady beastmen all be hot chicks

kys

>>49311422
thats the whole point of beastmen you retard

>my dwarves are a dour and greedy race
hurr hurr fuck off
>my elves are a long-lived race in tune with nature
hurr hurr fuck off

that's what you sound like

>>49311479
Yes I do.

>>49311482
try and stop me.

>>49311459
yes, and you're having wrong kind of fun. Please report to the nearest fun center for mandatory voluntary reeducation, citizen.

mostly i'm tired of it being a horse beaten to the consistency of a hamburger patty. I mean, it works sometimes, but other times author just plops them in the setting obviously without thinking much.

>>49311367
Dogs are dogs. How are they a category?

>>49311514
no you don't.

>>49311482
It's true. There's nothing to start.

>>49311307
Lizard is a suborder of reptiles, consisting of thousands of species. Meanwhile, dog refers to a single subspecies of the Canis Lupus species.

Or to look at it another way, you're talking about the difference between basing something on dogs and basing them on Caniforms - which would mean including features from bears, badgers, weasels, red pandas, and otters as well as dogs, foxes, and jackals.

>>49311535
nah you're the one who's wrong fag

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>>49310608
Oh can't I?

>>49311540
Why is it so hard to understand that someone can have different opinions than you?

>>49311538
1: please indicate by attaching an image the specific animal that the word "dog" refers to.

2: lizards are lizards. how are they a category?

>>49311517
>>49311541
It's starting stuff because no one cares you raging autists.

This is a thread about animal people, not "muh -4 str" go start a thread on that if you want to talk about it instead of shitting up this one.

>>49311502
>Tired stereotypes are good, let me smear these tired stereotypes all over my face
>aaaaawwww yeaaaah

>>49311121
That PDF is the only reason I would play 5e.

>>49311568
nah i understand just fine. but you don't disagree.

>>49311572
Someone else brought up something factually incorrect - they got corrected. You're pretty salty for no reason senpai~

>>49311121
Intentional cringe is still cringe and I despise it, but the racial modifiers are quite solid. I'm really surprised the author didn't just give them huge stat bonuses and magical powers.

>>49307461
I love beast races! They're fun to include in most games, and I usually have two or three varieties in every fantasy campaign I run. They're just universally evil in my main campaign setting, and not available to PCs. The body and soul are connected in-universe, and permanent physical transformations cause you to lose your 'humanity' and free will. Shape-shifting is likewise very dangerous because you can get stuck with the mind and soul of whatever you turn yourself into. So, the beast races (like kobolds and gnolls) are essentially soulless monsters that follow their base instincts blindly.

>>49311121
nah

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>>49311570
Fine, here are a bunch of dogs. As most animals, all dogs are not completely identical to each other, but that doesn't make them different animals.

>>49311572
I'll do as I wish.

>>49311570
See >>49311549. "Lizards are lizards" is like saying "bears are weasels."

>>49311584
I seriously don't get your reasoning here. Care to explain?

>>49311558
At least i'm playing Redwall campaign. What are you playing?
Yes, with food descriptions.

>>49311575
Yes, they are good, and I will smear them all over my face.

>>49311605
>things that are different aren't different
>-you, 2016

well, thanks for conceding, I guess

>>49311615
Nah, actually it's like saying "lizards are lizards". Because they are.

Unless you're contending that lizards aren't lizards. Which I hope you are, 'cause that'd be funny.

>>49311502
I replaced dwarves with beastmen as the industrious stone-working race and gave the "living in mountains" roll to goblins because dwarves are boring as shit.

>>49311595
Because it's more funny when people actually find the racial features somewhat balanced. Inducing cognitive dissonance is where the true beauty of such a work derives itself from.

>>49311669
nah, they're not

>>49311654
Nah, some things are slightly different. Other things are very different. There is a difference between things that are slightly different and things that are very different.

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>>49307461
I like 'em as Monster Girls. Not (exclusively) for waifu purposes, but because anything past that is kind of creepy/furry, with the exception of fable or animal which simply aren't humanoid. Monster Girl-type beast races simple work the best as humanoids humans interact with on a regular basis.

>>49311681
okay, so you admit that dogs are different from each other, thanks for conceding again

>>49311680
>Grumpy industrious midgets that need to learn how to shave and live underground.
They're boring

>>49311699
They are pretty similar, but not identical, yeah.

>>49310564
FUCKING MOTHS!

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>>49310564
[Happy moth noises]

>>49311669
>I replaced dwarves with beastmen as the industrious stone-working race

Funny, mine have gone through industrial revolution too.
Though there are some wild and semi-wild beastmen, but they're not the unthinking "burn, rape and pillage" kind.

>>49311710
nah

Rabbitfolk or some other commonly prey species based folk obsessed with armor and defense and overtly introverted, seen as xenophobes by humans and other civilized races, and as nothing more than canned meat by other more savage races.

>>49311665
No, lizards are lizards. And caniforms are caniforms. When you look at it that way, dogs and skunks are pretty much the same animal, just like crocodiles and geckos.

>>49311714
keep digging :^)

>>49307461
Dead.

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>>49311499
>not having your lady beastmen all be hot chicks

i'll up the ante
>not having your guy beastmen all be hot dudes

>>49309165
lost on rabbit
they can work as well, like fey or some shit

>>49311699
Dogs are different from each other the same way people are different from each other. While it's technically true, arguing Bobfolk and Jimfolk should be different species isn't even the funny kind of stupidity.

>>49311775
ok? so what's the problem

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>>49311790
>Having pretty beast races at all
Seriously? Their whole point is to be a savage foil of humanity. Why make them pretty? If you want to fuck, go fuck an Elf or Dwarf.

>>49311783
I'm not even sure we're discussing the sam thing anymore. Biologically speaking, "Dog" is a single animal, not several. Appearance-wise, dogs vary but are ultimately rather similar and easily recognizable as the same animal. Lizards, on the other hand, is a wide category including many different animals with higher variance in appearance.

What part are you disagreeing with?

>>49311790
>having male beastmen

>>49311828
>Seriously? Their whole point is

Depends on the setting

>>49311826
who's arguing that?

>>49311827
So lizards are a category in a way that dogs aren't.

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>>49311846
>being an insecure shitler

>>49311863
>DoTS
Fuck you. Only shitty settings have pretty beastmen.

>>49311865

This guy >>49310593 I guess?

>>49311828
>having any ugly beast races
seriously? their whole point is to be hot animal girls. why make them ugly? if you don't want to fuck, kill yourself.

>>49311654
THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES YOU SPRING OF RETARDANTS

>>49311846
>male beastmen
I don't follow.

>>49311865
Apparently you, Mr. "You admit dogs are different from each other."

>>49311195
I find nekos and kitsune more cringewothy than full anthros

>>49311424
>>49311499
hope you're just having a giggle and not serious

>>49311830
"dog" and "lizard" are both categories. neither refer to a specific animal.

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>>49311390
They're both Canis Lupus, are you retarded or something? That's basic biology, anon.

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>>49307604
>minotaur
>Milk

>>49311890
You're making me want to murder you.

>>49311886
nah only shitty settings have ugly beastmen

>>49311906
it's when there's a beastperson with a dong and it's not a futa.

Yes, it's hard to understand if you're used to anime, but at least try.

>>49311906
Like human men, but with more hair, and funny-shaped penises.

>>49311885
>being this hopeless

better luck next time

>>49311886
What if that gnoll you posted is handsome by their standards?
Does that make your setting bad?

>>49311956
Lizard - wide category
Dog - ONE
FUCKING
SPECIES
with a big amount of breeds

>>49311897
I never claimed they weren't. Try to keep up.

>>49311956
Dog refers to the animal Dog and no other animal.

>>49311983
>>49311986
I don't get it.

>>49311958
yeah, and? they're still not the same animal.

>>49311956
One refers to a specific species where the other refers to a suborder, which is kind of important. Dogs are notably less general a category than lizards.

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>>49312001
>shitposting without smug anime girl pictures
fucking waifufags, cannot do anything right

>>49312012
Internal judgements don't count. If the \players\ want to fuck the beastmen, fuck you I hope you literally choke to death on a 7 11 Hotdog and shit yourself violently the moment you die.

>>49312045
One species = same animal
DIfferent breeds = still one species

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I like them in multiple ways.For instance, the races for my campaign setting range from PFs Ratfolk >>49309879 which are vaguely beast-like in appearance to PFs full on furry kitsune to Catfolk that are much more human in appearance.

However, monstergirl shit is exclusively reserved for horrifying monsters and subtle crossbreeds like agathion blooded aasimars.

>>49312016
they're both categories.

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>>49312052
>still using anime girls

>>49312068
Please, tell us about he different animals that go under the category of "dog".

>>49312034
nope, it refers to the category "dog" which includes the set of all dogs

if you disagree, post an image of the individual animal to which "dog" refers

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>>49312067
And how I like my catfolk. Still beastly but with a much more human face. Their feet are more human than in this picture though. Fuck the Japanese and their fucked up ideas about how feet work.

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>>49307461

>>49312068
>Roleplaying games
>Hack-n-slash games
Both categories!

>>49312051
they're still both categories.

>>49312053
stay mad :)

I don't have anything specific besides animal head on humanoid bodies, but if I include them I throw away orcoids and goblins due to redundancy.

>>49312053
>7 11
Ah, so you're american. Kinda assumed that but didn't want to insult you before knowing for sure.

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*hissss*

>>49312097
No-one has ever claimed that Dog refers to a single individual. It refers to a single species of animal.

>>49312065
nope.
same animal = same animal
different animals in the same species = different animals in the same species

>>49312149
Just gonna point out that 7/11 exists in other countries as well.

>>49312092
https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+dogs+on+earth&oq=number+of+dogs+on+earth&aqs=chrome..69i57.2895j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

>>49312182
Nah, 7 11 and being afraid of sex to the point of incoherent banshee wails are pretty much telltale american traits.

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>>49312119
Not actually mad. Just like experimenting with different insults.

If you really, actually want pretty beast people, go for it. I just think its oxymoronic.

>>49312092
>arbitrary denotations that cover an incredible range of physical variations are fundamentally different from one another because of how I name them
Dog denotes a massive range of physical variation amidst the category. Lizard denotes a massive range of physical variation amidst the category.
Bruh.

>>49312112
correct.

>>49312227
Yeah, but there are magnitudes of difference between the two.

>>49312045
They breed and share DNA, they're of the same species. Have you gone to school?

>>49309165
For beast races, I like the gray/brown one on the left side of "fire up the furnaces".

But I don't allow magical realm shit at my table. If a player gets creepy, I ask them to stop, then I release a plague that kills the beastfolk or kick the player, depending on how the other players feel.

>>49312157
and I never claimed it doesn't refer to a species. that was never the argument. he said "different animals". not "different species". that was brought in later when he started backpedaling like a fag.

>>49311956
>human doesn't refer to a single animal

>>49312217
that's funny because sex is a multibillion dollar industry here

>>49312252
There are magnitudes of difference between a chihuahua and a mastiff.

Can you faggots just say "Canidae" and be done with it?

There's at least three different shitposting sprees right now in this thread and yours is the stupidiest.
That's quite an accomplishment.

>>49312273
Please no, you'll summon the /pol/folks.

>>49312221
it's not oxymoronic. nothing in the definition of "beast" or "men" includes ugliness.

as an example, "non-animal beastmen" would be an oxymoron.

>>49312262
So what, all this discussion is because someone thought "specific animal" meant specific individual? I thought it was someone claiming that dogs had as much variance as Lizards. It's amazing how differently people can read the same posts.

>>49312293
Yeah, but that's not in public.

>>49312298
But the difference between a chameleon and an alligator is way greater.

>>49312257
they're the same species of animal. they're not the same animal.

>>49312298
Wrong. There's a few differences between a mastiff and a chihuahua, but orders of magnitudes less than there are between a bear and a weasel.

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>>49312041
All right, let's start with something easy to stomach.

>>49312273
no, it doesn't. "human" is a category which includes the set of all humans.

>>49310513 Here.
If it will end this retardation of a discussion: I meant "A specific species", not "A specific individual". Sorry for my grammar being sorta shit.

>>49312317
>non-animal beastmen
you mean humans?

>>49307461
Beast folk are born fully-formed out of the earth, deep in wild areas. They are human-sized creatures, walk upright, and have surprisingly human faces, but their bodies are covered in thick animal fur, feathers, or scales. Their hands and feet are replaced with animal claws or hooves, as are their ears, noses, and eyes (their mouths are human-like, but often with pointier or flatter teeth). They may take their heritage from any wild mammal, bird, or four-limbed lizard or amphibian. Beastfolk based on domesticated animals are unheard-of. They are created sterile, unable to reproduce with humans, animals, or even their own kind. They have human intelligence, and are cabable of human speech.

Most are believed to live in the wild, but a some live lonely lived on the outskirts of civilization, and a few are even able to join human society. In rural areas they may be viewed as evil creatures, tricksters, or honored as emissaries of the nature gods. In more civilized lands, they are typically seen as a curiosity, like a runaway circus freak.

>>49312345
Yes they are, they're Canis Lupus. It's like with Caucasian men and Asians, they're still Homo Sapiens.
Fucking hell, can you simply admit you know shit about nomenclature and end this sorrow?

>>49312318
no one ever bothered to explain what they meant by "different animal".

>>49312361
What are you implying?

>>49307461
In my opinion elves, dwarves, halflings (etc.) are too human as is. I'd want the beast races to be as inhuman as possible.

Because otherwise, what's the point? May as well have everyone be human in the setting because you can do more with that compared to the generic middle-distance that races have in many settings.

>>49312353
they are different animals regardless.

>>49311160
>sounds like the plot to porn
It actually is the plot to a lot of pornography.

>>49312384
Freaky. I like it.

>>49312387
you and I are the same species. we're not the same person.

>>49312371
So basically yhis entire thing is an autist sperging out because someone triggered him with imprecise terminology and refusing to listen to reason?

Well, that sounds about right, I guess.

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>>49312387
Just stop talking, Jesus. This whole bullshit is happening just because not one of you fuckers want to let the other have the last post.

Goddamnit.

Guys, just ignore the semantics troll. He is booty blasted he thought different breeds of dogs were different species and is now covering it with infinite semantics arguments.

>>49312361
Faggot catelves should have been exterminated and their women taken as slaves for glorious R O M A
Shitty mug waifu """heroes""" ruin everything

>>49312423
So you're talking individuals. I'm talking about the fact that "lizard" as a word comprehends a lot of species, while the "dog" is Canis lupus.

>>49312393
That you're being intentionally obtuse here.

Well, fine. You got me good, anon. Those (you)s are well-deserved.

>>49312382
>Implying humans aren't gorilla/m8nkey beastmen

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>>49312456
B-but they're wrong! On the internet!

>>49312463
nah, I stated repeatedly that they're the same species.

>>49312456
No. I'll argue until everyone gets fed up and leaves or the thread gets archived. Get fucked.

>>49312498
>glorious
>laughingeveryone.avi

>>49310305
Seconded.
I enjoy distilling tropes.
Want a sly energetic merchant that your murder hobos might hesitate to gank?
Look no further than a halfling sized fennec fox man with cooky fox logic themed items and desert garb. They'll take one look at him and think "Arab street hawker, sly, don't let him talk the price up/down and watch my pockets." Weather he is or not players will assume things based on race and aperence. I find this a useful tool for getting the players minds going a certain direction and to make their own assumptions about said npc like they might a person IRL. For me it's sometimes storytelling shorthand for establishing npcs that feel fleshed out even if they just buy potions and a gizmo or two before moving on. I try to make the most of said short lived npcs by giving them enough info to bring them to life without having to wright 10 page backstorys for every tom, dick and harry on the street they may only see once.

Other times I'll deliberately invert or twist said tropes. The cat only seems aloof at first but is actually a pretty chill guy, just picky about his friends. The dog is only as loyal to the paycheck. The fox is actually an idiot but he sure can talk a good game. The ox is a thrill serker and quick to try new things. The serpentlike vissir lurking behind the king truely is the most loyal and trustworthy of his advisors.
It's all about player expectations and beast races or really any race with steriotypes/tropes can be useful tools to that end. I mean how many surly dwarven barkeeps have turned out to have hearts of gold for you?

>>49307461
I'm making a homebrew where there are only 3 humanoid races in the galaxy, and the rest are various forms of sentient megafauna i.e. a slug with fine grasping tentacles, or a jumping spider with chameleon-esque camouflaging abilities. Things that wouldn't be biologically feasible on earth, but might be on other planets if the conditions are correct. And the best part is that you can play as any of them!

>>49312498
nah they improve everything

>>49312518
I hope you can be clear one day. Cat girls be upon you.

>>49312609
trash

>>49307461
I like the khajit. One race, but individually the range from "Are you even trying" to "Cat headed fur covered", to "Cat with awakened mind" and even other options. Mostly we see the middle ones but they can satisfy all kinds of furries.

>>49312650
It's too late for me, anon, but thank you.
Sorry for having a good taste.

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Disregarding any dumb ass furfag shit, Morrowind's beast races look fucking awesome. Beast legs are beast. *ba dum tsh*

>>49312658
uh no, khajit are only humanoid

>>49312686
trash

>>49312658
It actually would be funny if they include "are you even trying" khajit into some game.
Imagine the shitstorm that would ensue.

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>>49312688
>khajit are only humanoid

>>49312688
Those are just the ones that are inevitably featured in the games themselves, in the lore they have this whole crazy moon-phase breed thing going, I think.

>>49312734
that sure is a lot of made up trash that never appeared in any tes game

>>49312746
>in the lore

fucking lol are you nerds for real

>>49312753
Aside from the books that are pretty much in-game and are a canon part of the world?

Because guess what

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>>49312753
do you even lore

>>49312715
They were in Daggerfall, for whatever that's worth.

>>49312768
Where do you think you are?

>>49312775
>>49312777
lmao you actually read video game books

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>>49307461
So the more I read Ironclaw the more appealing it looks as a system. Anyone have any experience with it? Is it good? Bad? Ugly?

>>49312787
>i-it's ok to live incorrectly if other people are!

>>49312768
Yes. You come here of all places and expect us not to be neckbearded nerdlords?

>>49312802
It is good. I ran a few sessions defurred and it's surprisingly brutal.

>>49312799
Irrelevant.
You stated It's
>made up trash that never appeared in any tes game
And you were wrong.

>>49312839
>Hangs around traditional games board on a weeb website
>Tries to pretend not to be a nerd

>>49312839
I'm not saying our existence is justifiable. I'm just saying you're apparently brain damaged for coming here and then being surprised.

>>49312872
i ain't surprised i'm just telling you you're gross 'cause you are

>>49312688

>he doesn't know about riding khaijit or the ones that are literally housecat-sized with mind control powers

>>49312878

>being this bad about being wrong about something that doesn't matter

did everyone bully you in high school? is this your outlet?

>>49312655
Much like your opinion.

>>49312896
>gross nerds think other people care about their shitty interests

>>49312921
He's playing you with "lol nerds" card

>>49312921
lol gonna cry nerd? ;)

>>49312935
nah

>>49312979
0/10, babby's first trolling. Do better.

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>>49309165
Fire up those furnaces, I don't even give a fuck.

Hell is a much cooler place anyway.

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I like 'em thematically savage, but forced to adapt to a separate civilisation where their primal nature is distinct but heavily suppressed.

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>>49313006

>>49312802
It's generally a good system, combat is quick and brutal and there are tons of ways to build a character, making it one of the better class-less fantasy games. I'd recommend that every character invest in defensive skills and some form of armour, otherwise they'll find themselves wounded or killed very, very quickly. Magic is well-balanced, and I quite like how the healing magic and utility magic works

I recommend that the Dying / Dead / Overkilled damage results be changed unless you want people making new characters frequently. You might want characters to be rendered unconscious but stable in those cases, while still applying the Afraid status to their allies in the case of Overkilled.

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Fantastic and foreign creatures.

Personally trying to make beast races more human out of fear of being furry is one way of sexualizing them, since you are making them more sexually appealing to humans.

Obviously when designing a "beast" race it is easy to just pick a human, attach animal parts and call it a day, but there is more interesting things than that. Gait, proportions, posture, dimorphism, size, diet...

>>49312802
I keep getting told by some people I know that it is a good system. I think it is acceptable to just swindle the system if you are not in it for the fluff.

>>49313079
>I recommend that the Dying / Dead / Overkilled damage results be changed unless you want people making new characters frequently

Yeah, that.
We had one character literally liquefied in the first round of first combat. We usually play lethal shit, so it's not an issue for us, but for more cinematic swashbuckling you need to do some adjustments.

>>49307461
3 for a homebrew race, 5-that-can-shortly-stand-like-4 for sapient magical animals that exist for some druidic reason or something.
>>49309165
Left side of furnace with actual fingers is my personal limit, once you start throwing paws in past the things they walk on, then it's just getting weird. How would they even hold things without based thumbs?

>>49313259
>How would they even hold things without based thumbs?

Mouth and prehensile tongue anon.

>>49310701

When you idiots finally do it and cease posting garbage.

>>49313830
No need, you are already faggot.

>>49313757
So what exactly do they use to hold things? Their genitalia?

>>49313906
From a worldbuilding perspective, the way a species manipulates objects is really really important.

>>49314028
>dissing worldbuilding
>on a traditional gaming board about playing games of pretend
>and telling a cooperative story

Nigga do you even know where you are?

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>>49307461
As long as it isn't magical realm it's ok with me.

>>49307492
This is why we can't have nice things.

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Redwall style.
Especially the Badger Lords.
Massive, bloodraging Paladins.

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>>49314097
your bait is bad and you should feel bad

and how about you actualy play ttg's before posting on /tg/

>>49307461
me on the left

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>>49314199
SSsssstop taking the bait then you fucking mongoloid.

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>>49309165
Would fuck any of them until "fine too" territory.

I'm just saying, you spoiled me rotten with all the porn!
Now take responsibility!

>>49311121

THIS PDF IS A FUCKING A FAILURE!

Where is the offspring compatibility chart?

>>49311160

Or, you know, mythology, especially Greek.

>>49307461
In all variaties, either through good old fashioned evolution, the gods, or a wizard did it. Because we all know wizards have no sense of right or wrong and totally would create as many beast races of all kinds as often as they can, just to see if they can.
Turns out they totaly can, and poor dirtfarmer #124825790 now has to deal with them raiding his lifestock, or his wife and children, or him, or all of those.
Or maybe they turn out friendly and peacefull, turning into poor dirtfarmers themselves while the humans pillage and rape across THEIR lands, as well as MORE beast races created by a completely different wizard because he thought that other wizards idea was AMAZING and he should totaly do that as well.

On a more serious note, I do like all variaties, either an animal was straight up given sapience and the ability to speak, or maybe just sapience, by a god/fate/a dragon/a passing wizard/whatever, they evolved alongside humans and other non-beast races but never outcompeted them, or non-beast races getting changed into more beastial shapes. It's all good in my book.
Maybe the giant talking wolf is just the resident forrest spirit/guardian. Maybe the small ferret-people have rudimentary tools and their own language and look slightly more "human" than regular ones. Maybe there just happens to live a tribe of humans in the treetops as well who were simply given bird wings because they worshipped the bird god/goddes or something.
I like 'em all.

>>49311790
I need more. Please.

>>49316022
I personally prefer the idea that an highly advanced civilization genetically engineered/bred them as pets, they died either by a some great catastrophe or by their own undoing but their intelligent pets survived and irked out civilizations of their own in the ruins of their progenitors.

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I love them and I put as many of them as possible into my games. Usually I go for a small/cute and big/burly dynamic, but I can also go for a full-anthro setting.
As a player, I'll always try to play one. If I can't, then I'll play human because I don't see the point in dwarves, elves, or halflings.

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>>49311595
>Shape-shifting is likewise very dangerous because you can get stuck with the mind and soul of whatever you turn yourself into.
This sounds suspiciously like a magical realm.

Mine, admittedly.

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>>49316995
Pic related?

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Alright then, I have an unfinished size chart of two of my beast races. Rate 'em.

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>>49319574
What the fuck is that thing in the middle?

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>>49319574
Finished art of the middle race. They replace halflings in my world.

>>49319545
Why am I laughing at this?

On topic, I usually just state that a given person is a catfolk/ lizard/ whatever and leave the details up to my party's imagination. I do the same thing for other people too.


Is minimalism bad?

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>>49307461
So riddle me this:
Why do "Alien" humanoids get a pass?
But "Terrestrial" humanoids are unacceptable?

I remember when Bioware fueled some serious cancer with Mass Effect. I also remember people salivating over the aliens and shitting on furries in the same threads.

I don't get it.

>>49309942
Gonna need sauce on that senpai-a-lam?

>>49319954
Never mind, I found it

>>49307461

I like beastmen Races that are humanoid, but have weird proportions/stances. They also can't have human looking faces, even though they have probably have 2 eyes, a nose and a mouth. Bonus points if they're completely covered in fur, leather or scales. Beastmen aren't supposed to be titillating.


The nu-mou from final fantasy are a good example. The elephant looking aliens from Mass effect are another cool looking race.

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>>49319946
For example:
This. Pretty much sums up what I'm talking about.

Whereas if instead of being octopus aliens, if they had fur and muzzles it would be "cancer" that makes people uncomfortable and act weird about it. But sufficiently alien octopus are just funny.

Honestly I don't get the division. It's like Furries are the "Uncomfortable Valley" of attraction, just enough to be strange while still having some universal attraction.

>>49307461
Yiff in hell you dirty degenerate.

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>>49312217
>americans
>not advertising their sexual ability all the time

where the fuck are you?
Utah?

>>49309699
amazing. report your findings regularly. I'll be interested, Dr. Anon

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>>49319946
Because of oldfags having PTSD flashbacks to 2008 when furry shitposting was the primary scourge of all the boards, or newfags with autism hating whatever is cool to hate at the moment.

The furry fandom is also a cesspool of autism and drama, so that probably contributes as well.

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If a homebrew only had beastfolk to play as, would you still be interested?

>>49320215
That alone would not be a sell/nosell point.
It could exacerbate other things, it could make it more appealing, but on its own it's insufficient information.

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>>49320196
> fandom is also a cesspool of autism and drama
This describes every fandom ever. Off the top of my head, excluding Mass Effect of course when it was still going, there was a thread over on reddit which therefore is inherently a sampling of Normies voting by popularity of response.

Everything considered "worse" than furries, as in voted higher than furries, is listed in pic related. It's kind of impressive actually.

If PTSD alone were the case, then Normies wouldn't be weirded out either. I've tried to get an Ironclaw game off the ground, but we had the one vehemently "won't touch it with a ten foot pole" who's so anti-furry he mentions furries more than actual furries on a casual basis. The dude is normie as fuck. Then of course we've got the less suspicious persons for whom the Gold Standard of "well at least it's not X" is furries. Not Sonic, not Minecraft, not any Sci-Fi anything, not Steven Universe, and nothing Tumbler-territory. No, the GOLD STANDARD is furries despite the fact the average person these days gets exposed to the aforementioned more than furries on the internet anymore.

Now, the fun thing is I know the suspicious guy probably better than his wife does collecting dirt on people is my hobby, and he's a weirder person than the actual silent furfag in our group. Meanwhile And I'm probably the weirdest pathetic loser of anyone I know because if you leave me alone with your shit I will get into your passworded computer, rip logs of email/browsing, plant keyloggers and screenshot programs, and sniff out written diaries.

Again, none of it makes any fucking sense. I begin to suspect it's just a meme at this point which has hit the social equivalent of the Family Guy effect, whereas normies will treat it in framework of "Ha ha, X, am I right?"

>>49320362
That's fair. Honestly, that's a good answer to hear. Means it'll be judged for its actual merit.

>>49307461
>>>/trash/

>>49320525
>>if you leave me alone with your shit I will get into your passworded computer, rip logs of email/browsing, plant keyloggers and screenshot programs, and sniff out written diaries.

That's fucking creepy dude, what the fuck.

>>49320525
>collecting dirt on people is my hobby
you are the worst kind of person

>>49311053

Guillermo del Toro does this, too. We've got a few races, maybe some recognizable ones, and then we have a whole lot of assorted freaks.
>Why does this one asshole's head look like a castle?
>What the fuck is this weird angel thing?
>Oh, there's another elf. I know what those look like in this universe.

>>49320215
Ironclaw? K.
I'm not paranoid about magical realms, unlike many others, I'll give a chance to mostly anything

>>49320579
Not quite. It isn't so much, you play as a straight-up furry, but more of, you play beastmen that are typically seen as nameless enemies in other tabletop games.

>>49320569
>That's fucking creepy dude, what the fuck.
You think that's creepy? You should read the shit I find.

"Normies" got some serious fucking skeletons in their closets. The most outstanding guy in our group I've known since before college, is secretly into rape pretty hardcore and stalked the shit out of his wife for years beforehand. He wrote some creepy fucking shit which he never gave her. She has no idea, and now they're married so it doesn't matter. He's a suave and highly social guy IRL, you'd never suspect.

There's a reason I kept tabs on some people.
Otherwise, yes just because I enjoy it.

>>49313000

ya bro

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>>49307461
Either as just animals walking on two legs or humans with ears and tails.

I'm not a fan of the stuff inbetween so much.

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>>49320829
>I'm not a fan of the stuff inbetween so much.

Are you sure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9270u0MkI2w

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>>49320664

>>49321049
You don't keep dirt on your social circles? You are seriously behind. I guarantee at least one person is keeping dirt on you.

>>49320890
What's this from, Chaotik?

>>49321461
Yes, and she showed up for only one episode. It's OK if you like the brief TF and new body discovery.

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>>49307461
For a beast race, 3 is the best, with 4 then a close second and third. First is "I'm tired of humans, but deathly afraid someone will call me a furry, which would be THE WORST POSSIBLE THING so tails and ears only haha".

>>49313006
I unironically like that furry's design. It looks like it'd be a mage or alchemist of some type and occasionally set the tip of its tail on fire.

>>49309699
See if you can give one a vore fetish. I honestly don't know how you'd even go about it.

>>49320215
Depends on how it's implemented. I'd play a fast-and-squishy cheetah character, or a tegu anthro wizard whose backstory includes learning magic as a form of temperature control. I'd be a little put off if it was a wholly cosmetic thing, though.

>>49321484
Nah, it's a neat design and thought the art style was familiar.

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I like them barely anthromorphized.

Too anthro and it's furry shit, too little and its meaningless.

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>>49322305

dumping a few pics

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>>49321293
nigga thats some paranoid schizophrenic shit.

or some previously unheard of level of autism.

>>49311435
There's no reason for sexual dimorphism among beast races to be the same as among humans.

>>49320664
Yeah, no. You don't get to decide what's worse than furries.

Because you're at least as bad.

>>49321293
People like you are the reason I have major trust issues.

>>49309699
good stuff.
please keep us updated.

>>49319545
made me giggle