Angels and their ilk

>normal angels

Depends on setting.

>Has adeptus evangelion ptsd flashbacks
Define normal.

>>49306370
>>49306268
Holy human with 2 white bird wings.

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>>49305246
Nigga u gay

>>49306517
Who is like unto the Most High, motherfucker!?

>>49306381
So the made up ones from renaissance art. Angels are supposed to be great and terrible, awe inspiring beings of divine purpose. Flaming winged wheels of eyes, four faced giants, or giants covered in eyes and bound in chains of black and red dlame, so tall it will take 500 years to walk the distance.

>>49306562
Yeah, them.

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>>49306562
>Renaissance
Nigger pls. "Winged Human" is fucking ancient.
Here's a depiction of Michael from the early 500s.

>Not making your angels able to shift between relatively humanoid form and the flaming whatthefuck with wings /tg/ loves to wank about

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>>49306562

Is anyone else fucking sick and tired of the "Dude, flaming wheels, lmao" type of angel now? They showed up in one book of the Old Testament and now that's literally all we hear about.

I want to repeat that, all we hear about anymore on this accursed site is "dude, flaming wheels, lmao" while casually dismissing winged humanoids because they're somehow boring now, even though all we talk about is the other type of angel? Give me a break.

>>49306651
The thing is that the "dude, flaming wheels, lmao" variety is rarely actually portrayed anywhere.

>>49306651
On this site maybe, but everywhere else non-"winged humanoids" angels are uncommon.
Hell, even here winged humanoids are still the norm, it's just that you will always have at least one dude to mention flaming wheels or something. Like you always have someone like you in any monstrous angels thread.
That being said, yes winged humanoid angels (or even strait human like) are in the bible more than flaming wheels.

>>49305294
where is that from?

>>49306748
Filename.

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>>49305246
for me angels will never be boring but i also like the "the church is evil" and "angels are power hungry ubermensch" but hey different strokes for different folks

>>49305246
That's not an angel, that's a chunk of eldritch space whale.

>>49306810
Not the point. Also, it was deliberately shaped to look like one, so the point is moot.

>>49306753
Thanks based annon

>>49306830
Still not an angel. But if the stand is 'if it looks like a duck then it must be a duck.' Then you're definitely a bundle of sticks.

>>49306847
What is an angel anyway? Are only divine messengers angels?

>>49306847
>Then you're definitely a bundle of sticks.
Can't argue with that, desu. FeelsBadMan

The point is that pictures of things that look like angels still look like pictures of angels.

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>>49306755
>angels are power hungry ubermensch

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>>49306882
>pray to me and grant me power or suffer hell fire for eternity
>my word is law for i am all knowing
>burn all heretics

>>49306896

I don't know why that image got me

But it got me good

I love you

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>>49306896
one of those dont think about it moments of life back in the day was why things are the way they are like no homo sex unless your a priest fucking a castrated dood yet i still liked Jacobs ladder

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>>49306896
>>49306928
Here. Have the gooder version.

>>49307142
thank you!

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>>49306971
my man smt has some good shit

>>49307142

I'm hearing it with kickass DOOM music this is amazing

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>>49305294
That's not actually an angel in setting is it?

>>49309211
They are gas like spirits, and inhabit humanoid stone bodies to interact with the material world.

>>49305246
Because you touch yourself at night.

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>>49309243
I know, so the thing with wings he posted is not actually an angel.

I actually have a angel character I wrote up for a game of the K6BD RPG that never ended up getting played.

>>49309279
>I know, so the thing with wings he posted is not actually an angel.
No. The thing with wings is the angels true form.

>>49309243
No. They exist in the same layer of reality christian angels and the like exist in called Aevum a step above our own reality so different as to be inconceivable. The bodies are compressed ashed from the fires of creation gathered from the void below the holy central city at the heart of creation.
They see through the body and use it as a proxy but still exist entirely in there own reality. Occasionally when angered they can seep through their proxy into our reality. Thorns seem to bleed on a constant basis.

>>49309367
deepest lore

>>49309388
You ever read the holy book of metatron? they add a new verse almost every other page release or a qoute to fill the gap.

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>>49309421
I know I really should read all the stuff that goes on below the comic, but I can't be bothered.

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Mastema is the coolest, handsomest, and most trustworthy angel.

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>>49313182
>no genitalia
>still wearing underwear
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I find it strange that people sexualize mermaids, too, given the obvious lack of any way to fuck them.

>>49316698

Well in that picture's defense it's more like a utility belt holding some items.

I sexualize mermaids because they have mouths and that's enough for me.

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>>49306971
>>49307863
Those angels are all liars, now that Mastema guy, he really seems to be onto something, I think you should trust him.

>>49305246
What the fuck is a "normal" angel?

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Reposting my angels images folder because why not

http://imgur.com/a/hs1fH

>>49313182
How am I meant to fuck that sexy snek anon?

>>49306651
They are pretty damn common in the Bible. The rule of thumb is that they will appear as humans when they need to preserve the sanity of those they're interacting with and go all final form if they don't.

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I always thought Tyrael was cool. Don't really care for what they did to him in Diablo 3 though.

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>>49309184
Ramiel-chan's cute!

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>Not posting proper Seraphim.
Y'all are fags. Pic related is an angel.

>>49305246
>normal angels are bland
They're collections of nearly indescribable rings of light and wing to occlude something at the center.

They're not even uniformly described as humanoid. Traditional accounts of angels are almost elder god tier in their descriptions. They are assumed to take human forms because it's simply easier for the narrator to describe them in that way.

>>49306562
Yeah, we know this already, but those winged humans from the renaissance art have become the massively popular depiction of angels, thereby categorically being defined as "normal angels".
Those abstract monstrosities that are the original angel depictions, as well as angels (or similar beings) from other cultures/religions are cooler, and are what the OP is requesting.

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>>49306847
This is a picture of what dwarves look like in my setting, I'm gonna post this in the next "dwarf picture dump" thread, because my unique, private definition of dwarf describes this picture.

Oh wait that would be stupid.

>>49317349
>They're collections of nearly indescribable rings of light and wing to occlude something at the center.
>Traditional accounts of angels
Not "normal angels". Stop pretending to be dense so that you can feel intelligent by rambling on to people about what you know about angels.

>>49317635
>pretending to be dense
I replied to the OP in a thread full of pictures.

Just saying 'popular depiction of' is not the same as 'traditional'.

>>49317156
what did they do to him? did they make him some sort of long con fake mentor, did they ruin what made him the avatar of Justice, TELL ME!

>>49317251
actually thats closer to a Cheribum

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>>49306755
>"the church is evil"

i swear on me mum u cunt

>>49317689
If you want to be reactionary, made him black.

If you want to be a bit deeper, had him forsake his status as an angel to become human.

>and that human was black
Regardless, it feels like that all powerful companion-pc or DM insert.

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>>49316698
>I find it strange that people sexualize mermaids, too, given the obvious lack of any way to fuck them.

Your imagination is too limited, Anon.

Also, dolphin pussy.

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>>49313182
>Elf ears
>Angelic wings
>Snake lower body
>Large breasts
>Long white and silky hair

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http://www.angelarium.net/seraphim/ so yeah, happy medium between eyes with wheels, and winged humanoids. Still fucked up but not so tryhardy I think.

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>>49305246
Aren't "normal angels" supposed to have their visual iconography taken from zoroastrianism? But like anytime an angel shows up in the christian bible there like, "yo, dont be afraid Brah". I like to imagine that angles are like these eldritch entities squeezed down into human form and when you look into there eyes all you can see is an infinite field of stars, burning in the ferment.

>>49317715
Depending on Context the Bro-est of Angels putting his money where his mouth is on how awesome humans are COULD work, being blizzard I suspect not

>>49317818
I like his art, but I was never fond of his formula of "Draw weird conceptual creature" then call it an angel of X.

They always looked a lot more like deities than angels

>>49317251
>a type of angel considered the highest in christianity
>implied to have been made after the fall of lucifer
>their only purpose seems to be to sing praises to God
Wow, YHWH has some major self esteem issues

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>>49306381
sometimes I like holy human with 2 bird wings, okay? normal angels are sometimes a cute, and when I need to populate a paradise city, it won't be with the things everyone else is posting.
>>49306651
I feel ya.
>>49317818
and here I was thinking no one in the thread was going to mention it. if you are already into angels, I should think you know about it. at least no one has posted fire-wheel-fetus yet.

>>49318033
Imagine your entire existence relies upon people praising you.

Imagine god is a youtuber. Not only is he a youtuber, he's a youtuber that has terminal cancer and has only ever made one video. It's a pretty good video, but he can't produce more videos for whatever reason.

So he first starts with view bots. And once enough people have seen his video, they become his only way of getting more views on his video.

And if there ever comes a time when people stop viewing his video, he just dissapears.

In that way, creating things that praise him isn't about self-esteem so much as self-preservation.

>>49318187
well, that isn't entirely true, at least according to normal Christianity. I'm pretty sure at least one part of the doctrine is that God DOESN'T need prayer badly. Also, that video would probably be a video warning about impending nuclear apocalypse by the president.

>>49318187
That's seems to make for an odd omnipotent being.

>>49318287
>>49318294
>implying it was entirely accurate
I'm getting real sick of people demanding metaphors be perfect. As if they don't understand a perfect metaphor would just be the thing itself. They all break down eventually or under certain conditions.

I'm just offering a way to understand why it would act at all in, what I thought, a fun and equally facetious analogy.

>odd for an omnipotent being
It's odd for a perfect being to act at all. They have no need for anything. Obviously we're missing a piece of the grand puzzle.

>>49318374
I'm sorry I misunderstood you. of course the metaphor isn't entirely accurate, but I was suggesting a way of making it more accurate

>>49318033
Singing praises to god in person is a ridiculously high honor

And what else do you think angels should be doing?

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>>49306608
>Smile not protected
Can't wait for Bolas to get what's coming to him. Not even from a moral standpoint, but from the fact that he's continuously fucking other people over and his hens are bound to come home to roost eventually. Who will beat him this time? Ajani again? Ugin? Sarkhan? Tezzeret? Elspeth? Another nonwalker?

>>49305253
Still haven't beaten this bitch

>>49306621
Archangels are an exception when it comes to how they're depicted/considered to look.

>>49306755
Played out as fuck.

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Y'all got some shit taste in angels.

>>49318842
How about this? Angels are generally good, but the church is horribly corrupt and doesn't like the things that angels try to get people to do. So the church invents and popularizes the idea of "fallen" angels and if an angel does something like tell people not to stone your daughter to death for kissing a boy from another village that you don't approve of, well then clearly that is one of the "fallen" angels. I mean, why else would the angel be telling you things that blatantly contradict your traditional values? And that angel telling people not to believe the church when it executes people for heresy or witchcraft in order to seize their property? Obviously fallen, after all a REAL angel would support the church in everything that it does.

Somewhat related to above, I actually have a setting where angels/demons/other normally minor divinities are objects of worship, and gods just aren't a thing. The church portrays angels in such a wonderful and benevolent light, but in reality, the archangels are almost as morally diverse as humans are.

My question is, what does /tg/ think about this?

>>49319854
>my angels are different

>>49317863
>"Don't be afraid, bro!"cried the angel as one of its many eye stock -or are they hands- swept past my cheek, through many other unamable dimensions.

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BEHOLD, MY DEMONS!

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>>49320935
I prefer this depiction of Barbatos at least...

>>49307142
>>49306896

Holy Doomguy, who art knee deep in the dead, incandescent be thy wrath. In one hand I shall hold the bones of my foes and my other fist shall be filled with murder. If my cause is just, my will strong and my weapons of sufficient magnitude grant me victory in your name.

>>49318769
>nonwalkers
>doing anything of significance in the age of the Jacetice League

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>>49317879
Archangel of valour tried to judge him for destroying the Worldstone in Diablo 2. Tyael quite rightly told him, "Wait, you're trying to PASS JUDGEMENT on the ARCHANGEL OF JUSTICE? Nah fuck that and fuck you. I'm out." Then he tore his wings off and effectively flipped the Angiris Council the bird and falling to the world to show everyone that he'd rather be a human because they cool and Imperius is a massive flaming dildo.

Of course once he landed here, he lost his damn sword and his memories of who he was, until the player character re-forges the blade and gives it back to him. His landing also accidentally woke up a fuckload of undead, sooo... Oops?

Despite what others say about Diablo 3, I actually really like it. It had a really strong set-up and yeah, its impact started to taper off towards the end, with Tyrael re-ascending the council as the aspect of wisdom (while remaining human), but all in all, I wasn't disappointed at all. Really reversed my opinion on Diablo-alike games, which I honestly thought I wouldn't be able to stand and would have a story that'd bore me to tears, if there even was one.

>>49319015
That sounds like a fairly decent idea, putting the fallibility of man against an actual cosmic good... But it has two flaws.
>How does the church support its doctrine, when only these 'fallen' angels seem to show up? Where's the ACTUAL angels that supposedly support them?
>What happens when the angels get pissed off with this shit and start laying some holy wrath down on some blasphemers?

Please have answers for this. This actually sounds more interesting than, "HURR DURR THE CHURC IS EVUL DURR" *TIPS BEDORA*

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>>49320935
Ars Goetia is cool resource for demons.
Particularly the descriptions paint rather colorful image.

>>49306621
Anglels are found even in Greek Mythology. The gods themselves in their original forms were usually depicted with wings. Out of these gods, only a few are still depicted with wings as their cults never really updated, e.g Eros, Nike and Thanatos.

>>49325073
Not everything that looks like a winged human is an angel. The post you're quoting is also wrong

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>>49320935
Hoy.

>>49320935
So why isn't Lucifer/Satan in the Ars Goetia? Where does he rank in the hierarchy?

>>49325623
The Ars Goetia is all about binding and controlling demons.

One does not simply order around the greatest, most powerful being there is short of God Himself.

>>49325940
So the demons in the Ars Goetia are pretty weak as far as supernatural beings go in the grand scheme of things?

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>>49327623
No, they're all quite powerful and can do all kinds of shit like mind control, shapeshifting, finding hidden treasures, etc. The sole factor for being in the Ars Goetia is having been made Solomon's bitch, which is why Lucifer isn't one of the 72 in it.

>>49327857
Okay, I can understand that.

>>49327857
>No, they're all quite powerful and can do all kinds of shit like mind control, shapeshifting, finding hidden treasures, etc.
They also all teach college courses for some reason.

>>49324444
>Not everything the church promotes is bad, like helping your neighbour or turning the other cheek.
>Angels are not deliverers of wrath, nor do they take physical action, instead serving only as messengers of the divine -- i.e., literally the meaning of "angel."

>>49328180
However, the church has changed certain principles or allowed them to change just by refusal to update terms as society goes on.

For example, turning the other cheek was a massive Fuck You in Christ's time. Basically, you could only strike someone with the right hand. The left was used to wipe yoursrlf after a shit and smacking someone left handed marked you as a willing agent of plague. Limited to the right hand, a palm slap was used against those lower in society, and the back against your equals as a challenge. If a slave or poor person turned the other cheek, it invited a strike... but the striker would have to use the back of their hand now, elevating the cheeky one to their own social level... or they could not slap them, backing down in surrender.

Now the church teaches "just accept your abuse and pray harder"

>>49328705
>For example, turning the other cheek was a massive Fuck You in Christ's time. Basically, you could only strike someone with the right hand. The left was used to wipe yoursrlf after a shit and smacking someone left handed marked you as a willing agent of plague. Limited to the right hand, a palm slap was used against those lower in society, and the back against your equals as a challenge. If a slave or poor person turned the other cheek, it invited a strike... but the striker would have to use the back of their hand now, elevating the cheeky one to their own social level... or they could not slap them, backing down in surrender.

That makes a lot more sense than the "be a pacifist" interpretation

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>>49318124

This is why I personally think angels should ba shape shifting to suit their mood and purpose at the time. When they are living in their paradise self sustaining happy city, they can be lovely looking soft featured winged things. When they are under attack or face some sort of danger they become that thousand eyes eldritch thing or something terrifying and powerful.

My opinion anyway. I think it just depends on what the setting calls for and whatever suits the story of the world you are crafting.

>>49317863
Icarus is best angel.

>>49324111
I want to believe. Return of Umezawa

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>>49306651
Its a /tg/ thing.
Most places you bring angels up, you don't always get some fag barging in and going "Well MY angels are all eldritch abomination hotweels, the way they're SUPPOSED to be!"

>>49306651

>thread full of non burning wheel angels
>complains that /tg/ only talks about burning wheel angels

>>49319854

Sure. sounds cool

>>49313182
Fulgrim?

>>49318842

Played out doesn't matter at all for personal taste

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>>49306651
I feel you buddy
I get 'human with wings' isn't the most interesting thing in the world but you can still have holy, awe inspiring angels that are neither winged dudes nor 'dude jewish lovecraft lmao'

>>49328832

Given Jesus literally tells you to give more loot from people who steal from you, I think he wants people to disarm other people with kindness.

>>49324423
source on the cute

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>>49313182
That's not an angel, anon. It's called a lillend.

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>>49317401
Something about something questionably even close to humans wearing knightly armor and heraldy with strange symbols on it gives me a boner.

>>49333250

Obviously it's an angel in her setting.

>>49328705

...or you could just palm slap them in the face...

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>>49305246
>Why are normal angels so bland
Because they're from the blandest mythology that exists

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>>49333362
Bit assumptive to use her, don't you think?

But the simurgh is definitely not an angel, like completely opposite of an angel.

>>49333403

Bit assumptive to use him, don't you think?

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>>49333725
Not at all - it's assumed most people on the internet are male. It might be safer to use 'they,' but it's unnecessary politeness.

>>49333984
>it's assumed most people on the internet are male

Guess I'm just a rebel, mi'lady

B)

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>>49317818
>the actual descriptions of angels are too "fucked up" and "tryhard" for anon

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>>49318124
>at least no one has posted fire-wheel-fetus yet
You called?

you know all those holy men and prophets were on some seriously good shit

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>>49338312
literally the dumbest looking thing

>>49306651
I agree. What about your vaguely-humanoid horrors with multiple heads and six wings covering their bodies head to toe?

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>>49338455
Something like this?

>>49338492
Anon, that is not vaguely humanoid. I'm not sure I want to know what makes you think that it is.

I like my Angels being Paladins with wings.

Actually just Paladins that have reached the one of the closer circles of one of the setting's gods.

Oops-mana-spawned angels are okay too

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>>49342681

>>49313182
But does it go in the elf folder, the lamia folder, or the angel folder

I can't deal with this

>>49317818
Mohrbacher does wonderful angelic designs. They're humanoid enough, and have enough traits to be recognised as distinctly angelic, but at the same time very eldritch looking. There's also the fact that they're designed from concept up to portray a very specific domain, and a great many of them accomplish that with the use of shape and colour alone, before we get into composition and background.

>>49306755
It'd be cool if instead of the Roman Catholic church was secretly evil a plot had the caliphate or ancient Israel was secretly evil.

>>49330825
Implying its not actually Lucifer in his fall from heaven.

>>49343929
>ancient Israel was secretly evil.
Technically this is Gnosticism.

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>>49305246

>>49305301
I recognize this, but forget where it's from. Where the hell is it from?

>>49348092
Hellboy movie, don't know which one.

>>49316698
"Subject of many a crude jest, that a man is unable to fully enjoy an unbifurcated woman (though any pair of amorous snakes tells us otherwise.)"