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How viable is Nurgle CSM?

Second for Renegades and heretics need more than a forge world codex

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classic color schemes on modern models look great

>>49300276
Bikers.

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What if this was the standard Chimera design?

>>49300276

Slightly more viable than standard CSM due to the higher toughness

>>49300276
>How viable is Nurgle CSM?

Depends on your meta. I love my Nurgle Force and it is mainly CSM but even a new player like me knew I had to bring some Daemons along for the ride to support my army.

Oblits and Chaos Bikers with MoN are pretty tough and a Chaos Lord/Sorc with a pack of them makes for a fun unit.

It works great when we are all playing friendly however with an upcoming tournament my friends have been tuning up a bit and I have been getting trounced by Super Friends and Battle Company.

Collecting an entire Chapter, good idea, bad idea?

This would of course be over multiple years, I'm not rich.

>>49300333
Rapters Anon is doing it.

Be prepared to paint over a thousand marines, not counting vehicles, techmarines, and other support.

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>>49300302

>>49300302
I like this conversion, this would have saved me as a newer IG player from building lasgun arrays for the first time if it was the standard kit.

>>49300333
just one word

why

>>49300333
why?

That would be a lot of tacticals. why not just a single company? However if you want to blow the money go for it.

>>49300333

Bad idea unless you are mega rich and huge a huge house. On display, an entire chapter would take up like a fucking dining room table worth of space. In boxes it would take up even more space if you gave it any sort of protection.

>>49300346
That's fine.

>>49300373
>>49300383
Because I don't game very often at all and need a contining project for the longterm to keep me involved. Once I build a company, what else is there? Giving myself the goal of an entire chapter gives me a nice long term goal to do.

>>49300449
*continuing

>>49300302
It is functionally no different from the current ones if you include forgeworld parts.

>>49300441
I'd be keeping them in army cases like the ones GW sells.

>>49300449
its just a lot of wasted money that you'll get burnt out on

>>49300290
Yeah, because the level of detail doesn't look like total ass.

>>49300509

Expect at least 10-15 large cases, I'd warrant. Maybe more. The flyers are going to be an absolute nightmare to store.

>>49300449
perhaps other chapters or races?

Why settle for 1000 of x marines when you can have 100 of each and maybe some xenos?

I'm a Tau player thinking of getting some Forgeworld swag of my own. What suit(s) would you recommend I get?

>>49300534
at least make it a standard chapter so if you have to sell them in the future you will not be burnt too bad.

>>49300539
Get some FW orks so you won't be as cancerous.

>>49300539
I recommend buying a gun and killing yourself

>>49300539
spend the money on crack

>>49300530
At the rate I paint, that's going to take a while anyway. It's mostly a way of keeping me motivated.

>>49300534
It's an achievement, if I ever manage it, you know?

>>49300566
Either doing Ultramarines or Imperial Fists. Haven't decided which yet.

>>49300539
Visit Jamal and ask for the good stuff

>>49300539
I would suggest you buy the smaller ones because bringing big tau cheese suits to your FLGS will likely get you very few games.

>>49300539
The resin crisis suit variants is what I'd have said a few years ago... but now that the crisis suits have been redone well in plastic, there's not much point.

Grab a plane or something if you must.

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>>49300276
Nurgle bikers are scary as hell

>>49300646
Marines Malevolent don't have horns, do they?

anyone have the 40k path to glory pdf?

>>49300676
I don't. I know that much, sorry mate, I had it in one point in time though.

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Just ordered my Angel's Blade at my FLGS.
Finger's crossed hoping it's gonna be good.

What updates do you think they're doing to the Terminator Captain? He's kind of an odd thing to update.

Also, mildly panicked about none of the new Assault Squad artwork showing off Meltaguns. I hope they didn't remove that option.

>>49300687
Thanks anyway :) Just want it for the boon table for use it in combination with Traitors Hate if I even come back to chaos.

>>49300539

Y'varha and R'vana, is the non-asshole advice. Both are actually point for point weaker than their points in normal Riptides anyhow. Same advice for prolly just taking the one 'tide in your list per 1000 points as normal applies.

Anyone else agree that the third Warhammer doesn't look too good? The first was the best if you ask me.

>>49300776
Dawn of War 3?

>>49300792
yeah sorry, dunno why i said Warhammer.

>>49300766
Considering I've been running one per 1500 (I only have one too) that works great. Which one would work best against MEQ's? I know both don't have AP3 weaponry but 3+ armor is essentially my meta and I'd rather it be effective and fun.

>>49300276
Nurgle Bikers, a Plague drone or two, other fluff units and some oblits.

Throw a fluffy Cyclo Cabal with bikes ontop of it to buff your bikers.

Throw in some FW shit, because it's not fair that this army is so cheap.

Spend the rest of the money on greenstuff or to get a pro to pain your army.

Wow, you just made a really fluffy, really good looking and a really really REALLY good 'casual competitive' armylist.

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I'm a noob.
My friends and I have arranged to begin building armies to work up to 500 points, and then 1000.
I want to play Harlequins (with Eldar because as I understand it Harlequins are not very good on their own).
What are the staple models of such an army? Any formations etc. that I should know about, bread n butter etc.?

>>49300776
It definitely could look better, I'm more focused on how it plays which could use some tweaks. I'm going to be patient and wait for another environment to be shown off to see if models look better on a different planet.

>>49300838
Compelling point you have.

AGP update when?

>>49300302
How about portholes along the side?

>>49300806

Y'varha does have AP3. AP2 even. It's gimmick is being the fast indiscriminate murder riptide.

It's also got one less wound and an effective range of 12 inches, mind. So it does require skill to not die.

Unless you're a spamming asshole of course, at which point you drop three Y'varhas into enemy lines, backup with other power suits and fuck with enemy target priority to the point where you lose maybe one before tabling.

>>49300861
Thanks, I'll take a look into getting just one Y'varha. Maybe I'll grab a R'varna in the future too, they both look awesome.

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Can you see what's wrong with these pictures?
GW's CG guys couldn't

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>>49300776
>>49300805
>>49300792
I actually really like the look of the new Dawn of War.

The rather bright and colorful palette they're using reminds me more of the older editions of 40k, something I'm completely fine with.

In the end, I just think it just comes down to preference though; I like lots of bright colors in my grimdark sci-fi, but not everyone does.

I'm not holding my breath hoping the gameplay's fine though, I'm still very worried on that front.

>>49300910
>having sponsons

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Is there any more word on these guys? I've been itching for some new Terminator character models

>>49300910
>that turret

Jesus christ, how could the person that rendered that miss it?

>>49300910
Well, it doesn't look like the turrets can actually rotate at all.

>>49300910
>It's not modelling for advantage, it's just how the instructions tell you to build them!

Also, all the little boxes at the bottom show a guy ordering the tank forward from a hatch, but only the base Lemon Russ in that image has that guy in the bigger picture above it, meaning they just recycled the model of the first tank and changed the gun on it.

Sasuga GW-sama.

>>49300982
>storm bolters

DROPPED

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>>49300539
Commander Ra'lai
One xv84
four Hazard suits
The new Barracuda
Some Remora drones

>>49300982
>Dat Chaplain with the X-tra larg purity seal vest with purity seals on it.
No crux terminatus either. Perfect for 30k Word Bearers then!

>>49300982
First one you have to fill out a punch card by buying shit at a GW physical store.

>>49300837
>My friends and I have arranged to begin building armies to work up to 500 points, and then 1000.
You can probably go full harlequin to 1000 points. Even 1500.

it's not like you'll be coming across heavy armor. Just mix in enough stuff to deal with a bit of everything. Don't forget they're a bunch of T3 weaklings and you're going to want extra bodies.

>>49300333
do black templars

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Very new, got the Death Masque box set and an additional box of DW vets and want to play Deathwatch with skitarii allies, this is the list I've written up so far

Deathwatch Black Spear Strike Force
Core (780pts)
Aquila Kill Team (295pts)
Librarian in termy armor, mastery 2, auspex
4x Veterans, 2 stalker bolters, 1 infernus heavy bolter
1x Rhino
Dominatus Kill Team (485pts)
Black Shield w/ pair of lightning claws
2x Vanguard Veterans w/ heavy thunder hammers
4x Veterans w/ storm and chainswords
Corvus Blackstar

Command (145pts)
Watch Captain Artemis

Auxiliary (135pts)
Venerable Dreadnought Nihilus

440 points to spare for 1500 that I'd like to spend on skitarii. The list I've got now can change, but I have already bought and assembled the DW force from the Death Masque box as told (watch force artemis) and bought an additional box of veterans, and assembled the black shield with the lightning claws.

I have no mind of my own, so just tell me what to do.

>>49300982
anyone ever think about the origins of the tiny skulls?

>>49301109
Tiny heretics

So I dont play 40k alot but I recently go some Death Watch models since im a collector and I want to play kill team

1x DW Sargent w. combi plasma and xenophase sword

1x DW w. shotgun and bolter instead of CCW

1x. DW w. stalker and bolter instead of CCW

1x. DW with infernus HB w. hellfire rounds

1x. DW w. cheese cannon

This it around 200 points

Someone told me Death Watch vets are super cheese though but I dont want to be that guy.

I have some Scions if anyone wants to help with making a list for them

>>49300837

1d4chan has a harlies tactics article, read that.

I don't know much about the list but based on what I do know it probably synergises well with three start collecting! Eldar formation for some added punch and psychic stuff.

>>49300837
dudes in hover boats, as a guard player I have seen our dark eldar player use mostly dudes in hover boats.

I fucking hate hover boats and their damned jinking.

>>49301158

Fucking phoneposting. I meant THE start collecting set, not "buy three"

>>49301109
Semi-intelligent cherub cloning for any and every purpose (maids,hirelings,sword-carriers, cape-holders,living-decorations, singers, suicidebombs) is in mainstream 40k canon.

Not sure why they wouldn't use their skull as lego-blocks afterwards. Or even have a special "tough skull" caste of Cherub engineered and killed just for decorative skulls.

>>49301080
Skitarii Vanguard are the best Skitarii unit, so I' just run 4 squads of 10 in a Skitarii Maniple FOC and call it a day.

You'd have 40 points left over, but if you give each squad an Omnispex for 10 points each then you'd hit 1500 right on the nose.

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>>49300660
nigga you clever

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>>49301013
>muh combi-weapons
storm bolter is fine
storm bolter was always fine

>>49300982
all i know is the termie captain has some autistic shooting weapon thats essentially single shot, small blast melta bomb

>>49300735
>Preordering anything
Anon what are you doing?

>>49301207
Store offers a pretty hefty discount for preorders, and since I was going to be picking it up anyway (most likely the day it comes out) it seemed like a good idea.

Even with the crazy high tax rate in my state I still am getting it way under the normal retail value.

>>49301157
Drop some of the upgrades (xenophase, infernus HB). Get an extra body in there.

Deathwatch aren't broken in killteam. They have a lot of toys, but are still T4, 1W, 3+ save dudes. You'll likely only have 5-7 in a list, and that's easy to knock off the board with weight of fire.

Hi, just starting 40k and deciding on my first army, is the Start Collecting! Chaos Space Marines a good deal?

Going for Iron Warriors.

>>49301263

An extra body of what exactly? Just another shotgun or Combibolter with power sword?

>>49301273
Up to choice, really. The bolter+sword combo is pretty nice.

>>49301271
No. Not a good deal at all, sorry anon. CSM are in a bad spot right now too.

>>49301280

Hmm ill think about it since I have exactly those five models with my original choices it does seem like a better tactical choice but I really fucking love the infernus heavy bolter and necrophase

>>49301322
So I'm not saving any money whatsoever if I buy that?

>>49301271
You will lose a lot of games outside of casual gaming. If you're going in with buddies that can stand losing every now and then, you should be fine.

But as far as a decent deal and decent units, it's a'ight.
Try and get it off eBay or somewhere cheaper if you can.

>>49301338
You save like 15 bucks, but, seriously, try and find it from a seller online, or if you local store has a deal on it.

>>49301338
You are saving a little money, but not really much compared to the other boxes. I think it's like less than $12? Someone post the savings chart.

But what I'm saying is that Chaos Space Marines are the second worst army in the game.

>>49301369
What's the worst one? Orks or nids?

>>49301323
>I have exactly those five models with my original choices
No real harm with going with that, then. All it really means is casualties will hurt a little bit more.

picking up a second box of veterans can give you more choices down the line

>>49301271
CSM are great, as long as you're not planning on running vanilla Space Marine With Bolters and footslogging them across the whole table.

>>49301338

If you lurk long enough or ask nicely someone will post the SC! price breakdowns. They all save money but in most cases it's basically a free HQ so buying two boxes is pointless unless you sell or trade or convert the second HQ so he's actually useful somehow.

>>49301040
Even better, the rings the parchment is fed through look to be 8-pointed too, though the top point is covered by the skull.
There's definitely some conversion potential for a dark apostle.

>>49301338

You are saving money.

But the units you are buying are relatively bad.
For Chaos, you are better off figuring out what you want to run. Then looking at the boxes and seeing if that aligns with your plans.

CSM box is a Helbrute, CSM and Termie lord.

Helbrutes are best in the formations and those you should just buy them off EBay for the Dark Vengance ones. They are like 10$ tops vs the 50 for the CSM one.

>>49301388
Orks are probably the worst right now.
CSM is considered better because you can ally with daemons so it's kind of a toss up between which codex is the dumpster liner

>>49301404
rhinos

>>49301404
>CSM are great,
and you win with them all the time?
everyone cover that square on your bingo cards

>>49301388
Orks. Nids are just above Chaos Space Marines.

>>49301429

CSM are great.
They are just completely unplayable using their codex

>>49301080
Is the Death Masque box a 40k starter kit, or one of those bland spinoff games they keep churning out?

>>49301456
Spinoff game with formations to use the models that come with it in 40k

What's with all these idiots thinking a Kill Team with 4-6 models is worth the time ?

We've had "Kill Team" hour in the hobbyshop for every day since release and these minimum "leet" squad keeps losing and losing and losing.

We're going to start a progression based narrative campaign with experience "leveling" and advantages based on both winning and fluff.

It's hard to justify these retarded 4man kill-teams when it's so easy, efficient, and fluffy to bring 10 guys or more.

What's 4 guys gonna do against 20-30 kitted imperial guards, or Plague Zombies+Chaos Spawn, or Genestealers or ANYTHING really.

>>49301401

Yeah the only wargame I play is infinity with 40k being just a collector thing kill team got me interested and in the end I am loving it

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>>49301475

What about 5 man kill teams? Which is honestly more fluffy since Kill Team the lore term originated from Death Watch being sent in to fight hordes of xenos

>>49301470
Well damn. I was hoping to get a print copy of the rules, and I saw the Death Masque rulebook going for a bit less than the regular 7e mini rulebook

>>49301475
Look at it this way. These people are learning firsthand why small, hyper-elite armies like the ancient Spartans don't do well in extended campaigns. Each death is a significant setback, and it gets to a point where quality simply can't outpace quantity.

>>49301429
> all the time

No I'm not Eldar or Tau, and I'm completely fine with that.

I win a bit less than half my games if we don't account for intentionally cheesy lists.

Just like any other table top game or competative video game 50% win-rate is the excellence of balance.

>>49301157
what is the unit size for deathwatch? For example 10 guardsmen is a unit. you seem to have listed 5 dudes, don't they come in sets of 10? If so you have to take a full unit which could mean you may be buying to many upgrades.

Equally as a opponent I only have to kill 3/6 dudes before you have to leadership test each turn or run away.

If I bring 25+ guardsmen to the battle (which I could at 200pts) I would only need to focus fire on 3 dudes to force your retreat tests. That being said if you can get the objective before I bring my guns to bear thats cool too.

>>49301534

5 For a Kill Team a single squad is like 110 points

>>49301475
Kill Teams have evolved from that. A fluffy kill team can be 10-20 Imperial Guardsmen of varying proficiency ordered to set a trap on a handful of thousand year old Chaos Space Marines kitted out head-to-toe with dark technology and psykery.

Against all odds and with only purely human ingenuity and guile will they prevail (in fluff terms).


>>49301517
I like how you think. It does look dramatic and the few, few times they win it surely gets people excited.

>>49301157
>>49301475

If thats really the case I think I should give up on playing 40k again.

I really love the models but sometimes the cooler looking shit is not "competitively sounds" and id rather work on say 5 Death watch vets or scions and paint/assemble them really good instead of buying like 15 and giving them all subpar paint jobs

>>49301620
Meant to >>49301511

>>49301080
>Dual lightning claws on the Black Shield
>not one lightning claw and one other specialist weapon

What a waste.

>>49301517
You're being misinformed. Death Masque is a "campaign box," it's two armies made to play against each other. It includes the paperback 7e rulebook.

>>49300982
>>49301040
>>49301411
looking at it like this i like it much better now.
Out of the box both models don't blow me away.

>>49301632
Kill Team isn't competitive to begin with.

It's just the rules expessively prohibt any 4-5 man squads from being even a little viable in a hobbyshop format where you are facing 'random' people. It's great for playing against the same 1-2 friends that TRY HARD to be balanced though.

l33t formations and several small well-equipped 5man squads are GREAT for regular 40k though. The whole MSU and that.

Don't give up on 40k.

>>49301639

if anything the black shield should get a heavy thunder hammer

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Kommandos or stormboyz?

>>49301742
Wraith Knight.

>>49301742
Da Kommandos are some right sneaky gits, but da Stormboyz have got some nice dakka!

Why not both, you grot?

>>49301742

How old are the Kommando models?


I love them but imagine an update

Any leaks from Angel's Blade? Formation benefits or changes to units?

From previous thread.
Changes that need to be implemented in 40k to make it more inclusive and to capture the highly profitable 18-30 female and lgbt demographic.

>Drop Slaanesh - it's offensive to lgbt-people. Alternatively, make slaanesh more gray/morally questionable rather than outright evil.
>Introduce female space marines.
>Guard models should be at least 50:50 male/female.
>More focus on the role women and non-binary people in the 40k lore/books, especially the HH series. Maybe make one or two primachs canonically trans, it's ok if they are all kept biologically male then.
>Make the emperor more brown. He comes from the middle east - make it explicit, so that people don't assume he is another white male.
>Malcador should be a woman.
>Change the lore so that Horus rebels because he racist/sexist and he doesn't like the progressive changes the emperor is introducing.
>Cut out the lore about genocide of aliens and non-compliant humans by loyalist imperial forces. Good guys don't do such things.

>>49301847

but 40k is already diverse.


I know a guy in real life whos a complete /pol/tard and says Catachans should be removed since they represent the "male 80s power fantasy" and how it shoves niggers into 40k

>>49301828
Theres the FW upgrade set, which is the best we're gonna get I imagine

>>49301779
>>49301759
I think ill do the kommando formation

>Four units of 5 kommandos, 2 burnas per unit, boss nobz with BP BC, and Snikrot
>Outflank where I need them
>Shrouded and rerollable cover when they come in

I mean its 500 points altogether but im not playing orks to have reasonably priced options in my army

>>49301872
>/pol/
>remove "male 80s power fantasy"

Good troll.

gb2reddit

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still no torrent or epub of this baby?

>>49301884
That's like 200 points more than a Wraith Knight.

>>49301742
Stormboyz for sure. The models are great and they are fast as hell.

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Why is Traitor's Hate an EPUB instead of a PDF?

>>49301900

but the 40k reddit sucks/is dead.


I feel like 40k still doesnt really have a huge presence outside of image boards and specialized sites even after all this time

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>>49301475
>and fluffy
kill teams are, at their core, about small numbers of dudes on suicide missions against impossible odds

the people who play small teams are the guys who want to play the space marines in space hulk

the people who bring large teams are the ones who want to play the stealers in space hulk

>lmao no 2+ saves tho
FUCK OFF LET ME BRING MY TERMINATORS

>>49301959
40k isn't accessible is why.

>>49301959
It costs $120 or more just to get started. That's pretty steep if you don't even know the game is enjoyable. So 40k generally spreads through physical contact with other 40k players, which is to say slowly.

>>49301698
Can't take it unfortunately. Only veterans can.

>>49301980
Because some people are so sensitive that if the game isn't a Liberal Arts College Future Fantasy Minority Group Panderfest, it is somehow 100% unenjoyable.

>>49301980
That's because 40k is narrowly focused to appeal to straight white nerdy boys and no one else.
We need changes like these >>49301847
if GW is to survive in the long run.

>>49302014
Seriously, how did this become the defining game of the hobby in general?

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>>49302014

but we got

Good RPGs

Some good video games

memes

Shiploads of lore

You dont need the little plastic men to enjoy 40k

>>49302024
>>49302029
SJW's are an even smaller market than white males.

>>49302035
Because there wasn't much competition, same as magic.

>>49302035
Global presence does a hell of a lot for a company. They beat their early competitors to the punch and no one really challenged them afterwards.

Not to mention an impressive library of different games. Something companies these days still don't really attempt to do.

>>49300735
Probably giving terminator captains relic blades, maybe cataphractii armour too

>>49302061
You'll find that lots of people know about 40k but don't really care about it. The video games do the most to get people involved in it but only on the surface.

>>49301923
1000 points of Kommandos would still be worth less than a wraithknight on the field

2000 even

>>49302062
Who's talking about "SJWs"?
Do you think women and minorities like not being represented?

>>49302065
>an impressive library of different games
Are any of their newer boxed games any good, even? Haven't heard much buzz about them aside from pillaging the models for 40k armies, and these ones where your only playing pieces are one Titan or one Flyer per side just seem like ridiculous hard-selling.

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>>49301847
This is bait by the way guys. This nigger posts the same thing in every general at least once.

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>>49302129

but they have represented for years

Years before this idea of gender and politic shitstorms pushed by /pol/tards and tumblr whales

Have you guys ever had to throw a game? I played a 1850 point game against Chaos Renegades and i play Tau. I could have easily won but i made a deal to throw the game. Everyone was giving me shit because I lost. Now everyone thinks i suck.

>>49302129
They're not put off because lack of representation, they don't care about the premise in the first place. Infinity has a much better representation of woman/minorities but still doesn't see an equal split of players.

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>>49301973

Heralds of Ruin might be your Kill Team rule set of choice if you want Terminators.

Personally, I find the 200 point cap a little restrictive. I'd like to try HoR at 250 since I want to field somewhat kitted out Noise Marines.

>>49302159
Did you seriously just use the n-word on a blue board?

>>49301433
I'd honestly say that nids aren't at the very bottom just because of flyrants, without those we'd be fucked.

>>49302146
>Are any of their newer boxed games any good, even?
well, I was talking about their older games

Things like space crusade/hulk and heroquest put warhammer (and by extension GW) on the map in a rather big way. Not to mention the numerous expansions. That's how you get people hooked into the more pricey games.

The newer games are decent, some below average, some above average, but not as big of a deal as the aforementioned SH/WHQ. Even bombs like dreadfleet stand alone fairly well.

>>49302205
I will call someone a nigger all I fucking please, this is 4chan. If you came here expecting to not be called a nigger just because the background is blue, maybe you should rethink where you are in your life. Not just on this website, but how autistic you are. Just fucking go outside and leave us the fuck alone to our hobby.

>>49302227
I wish I got into GW stuff just a few years earlier than I did. Coming in at the tail end of 4th, pretty much all their cool specialist games were dying off by then.
Now I pick up a small collection for something like Blood Bowl or Mordheim and can't find anyone to play with.

>>49302193
Well I mean the cool thing is 200 points is a terminator squad on the nose (5 men, chainfist, assault cannon). Even in HoR.

But it'd be nice if the core GW rules let me use the OG kill team. It's not like they'd be overpowered thanks to being limited to just five dudes.

>>49302236
Maybe if you guys didn't have this attitude you wouldn't get in trouble all the time.
You have to consider what others think and feel.

>>49301742
Kommandos are fucking lit and I would run them over Stormboyz, but Stormboyz fit better into a speed freek esque army list

>>49302205
Welcome to 4chan faggot
Enjoy being called a nigger for the rest of this thread

>>49302236
Dude that was bait. Stop getting your jimmies rustled. It's just bait.

>>49302392
>>49302324
>>49302236
Ladies and gentlemen - the Drumpf demographic.

>>49302451
dont you have seizures to be having?

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>>49302105
A really good and in-depth strategy game for 40k would go a long way to remedy this.

>>49302516
and large-scale because DoW exists

>>49301973
Removing the +2 save ban would do wonders to help small elite squads.

The issue still remains though, the "stealers" players will almost always win by playing the missions or simply tabling the "space marines".

The rules for the current Kill Team is very bad and barebones. I realize it's an "entry drug" kind of deal, but this is like giving coke-zero to a alcoholist.

>>49302516
You'd probably find that the crossover of those fans are already high. 40k would need easily digestible media in order to have a pop culture following.

>>49302129
"Representation" is not something people generally care about. This goes for both powerful and weak minorities.

Jews don't really care about "representation" in 40k, nor do women, blacks, bisexuals or transgender people. (queue the argument-killer slaanesh jokes)

>Do you think women and minorities like not being represented?
The only reason they like it at all is because of literal (not the green frog variant) memes that are intentionally and unintentionally spread.

>>49302451
I'm sure that's the reason. There can't be any other reason why I'd call you both a faggot and a nigger. Gotta be that, regardless of the fact there's nothing but your assumption to trigger such a response. Don't you have some SWJ rally to attend? This thread is for models and internet faggotry, not real life faggotry.

I like how the SJW faggot is acting like they speak for every minority group. How deliciously ironic.

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>>49302451
Just let it go guys, b8ers gonna bait

So anyway, Angel's Blade leaks, where are they?

>>49302680
It's a common delusion among them. They think that the minorities are so oppressed that they -literally- have no voice, and need a young, hip and charming white kid fresh outta college like them to champion their cause.
None of them even realize it's just another form of the White Man's Burden.

>>49302186
Personally crush in game every person who said you sucked
Thatll show those assholes

>>49302743
Honestly, nothing marginalizes a minority group more than a white person thinking they know what'a best for them. But that is a discussion for fucking /pol/ not /tg/.

I want more Angel's Blade leaks damnit!

>>49300539
If youre still around kindly ignore the anti tau babby autist fagholes and get hazard suits as theyre terribly overpriced, though if you want a big suit get the rvarna as its the weakest riptide variant

>>49302734
It's not out for a week, have patience.

>>49302812
Which is why I am asking for leaks, not the epub. It'll help me decide what I want to buy.

>>49302806
>babby autist fagholes
>says a tau player
toplaff

>>49302186
>Now everyone thinks i suck.
fuck do you care?

>>49302576
>The rules for the current Kill Team is very bad and barebones.
Yeah, I feel you. Not much they can do without actually designing the game from the ground up (ironically like they did with the original kill team, where one player controls near NPC guard patrols)

>Genestealer cult is coming

My fucking dick GW. Only other thing I want is a transport,flyer, and unified codex and i'd spend even more money.

>>49302936
Hopefully they don't shit the bed with this. They better be full-blown Battle Brothers to Tyranids.

>>49302959
>he doesn't know

No one tell him, let him find out by himself.

>>49302936
By the other things I meant for my ad-mech.

>>49302987

Well... I mean anon they serve the nids in one way...

>>49302987
Actually, I have no horse in this race other than my brother plays Tyranids. I just want the complainers to STFU. They already failed with CSM, will probably fail with BA(something I DO care about), and will probably fail here too.

>>49302878
>painting everyone under the same umbrella
Stupid Dumb autist scum

>I want drop pods for my Chaos Space Marines :(

>>49303038
We already know how they interact with Tyranids. And it's not that.

>>49303049
if you play tau you are a filthy weeb cuck and should kill yourself

the only good tau player is a dead one

>>49302959
>>49302987

Gene cultist might kind of help tyranids but mostly the genestealer variant.

in the end regular nids still nom them

Where do Grey Knights stand in army tiers? Are they decent assault allies?

>>49303104
Which is why they aren't Battle Brothers.

>>49303102
Ok autist bitch
Go eat some tendies to calm down

>>49303131
>said the tau player
priceless

>>49303118
Grey Knight are CODEX: Dreadknight.

I've seen some "net decks" version that use multiple barebone Inquisitor as allies to get multiple squads of those 10p psyker henchmen. But I ain't got the time or desire to describe that build.

It's a "anti-jetbike" warpdice build that spams psy screams.

>>49303118
Mid tier. They do alright but suffer from being low model count. There are much better armies for adding Assault in IoM armies. Space Wolves are the premier Assault army with TWC, but BA might be a viable alternative due to the Archangels Orbital Intervention Force formation. Also depends on how the Death Company Strike Force pans out.

TAU: LAME OVERPOWRED

ELDAR: LAME, UNDERCOSTED, UNCREATIVE OVERPOWERED

are we done ?

>>49303069
I couldn't care less about drop pods, but some goddamn land speeders would be nice. Wasn't anti-grav supposed to be a lot more common during the Heresy?

>>49303142
Youre gonna lose your gbp
Better be careful asswipe autist

>>49303193
>filthy communist weeb tau player
>calling anybody else autistic
seriously kill yourself lmao

>>49303176
Harlequins are cool and sorta good

>>49303213
Past your bedtime babby bitch

>>49303213

Fuck off already, stop shitting up the thread you idiot.

>>49303232
>>49303251
>assravaged tau cucks crying about everybody always hating them
just end ur life

>>49303261

I'm not the person who triggered you moron. Again stop shitting up the thread.

>>49303288
>stupid tau autist misusing buzzwords his puny insect like gook brain doesnt comprehend
unsurprising

>>49302022
The Black Shield is a Veteran, you fucking goof.

If the SoB range wasn't so shit, I'd put together an Inquisition Superfriends list.

SoB, Grey Knights, Deathwatch, all lead by three Inquisitors of the Ordos and their Acolytes. Is this shit even lore friendly? Points viable?

>>49303304

You're literally the reason everyone hates 40k players. You should be the one to kill youself.

>>49303345
Grey Knights and Deathwatch serve different purposes. One fights Daemons, the other fights Xenos. Still could happen.

>>49303347
>You're literally the reason everyone hates 40k players.
everyone hates 40k players because 40k is a shitty game and most 40k players are autistic weeb children who play tau

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>>49303345
>Deathwatch instead of Red Hunters
Man, Deathwatch aren't even part of the =][=, amd you forgot about the =][['s personal Space Marine chapter.

>>49303372
>most 40k players play tau
>not space marines
You know how i know you're fucking retarded?

>>49303312
Nope. New name and statline as opposed to the 'Veteran' at the top of the stat block. There's a reason it says "any *model* may take items from the melee weapons, ranged weapons, and/or special weapons list," and below that "any *Veteran my replace his weapons with a HTH."

Same reason you can't give an Apothecary special weapons in a Command Squad in C:SM. It's stupid, but that's the ruling.

>>49303383
I think you're mistaken, Deathwatch are part of the Inquisition in the same way Grey Knights are.

>>49303403
nobody hates 40k because of space marine players

everybody hates 40k because of autistic underaged weeb children who play tau, like you

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>>49303345
Anon, the Deathwatch are not part of the Inquisition. Though, the Red Hunters are.

Just like >>49303383 mentioned.

>>49303426
Keep shitting up the thread you stupid piece of fucking garbage.

>>49303430
>>49303383

The Deathwatch are a unique and specially trained Space Marine Chapter that dedicates its every hour to xenos hunting. They are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Xenos, charged with protecting it in its search of information, containment, and ultimate destruction of all xeno species.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deathwatch

>>49303162
>CODEX: Dreadknight
I can tolerate the Dreadknight until I can convert it to look like a giant GK. Not too sure if a Lib in a Terminator squad and a single Dreadknight would be immensely helpful in a 1,500 point army if about 1k are dedicated to a more shooty Imperium primary detachment.

>>49303171
I'm absolutely fine with mid-tier, I like the look of GK and would have chosen them if I didn't like IG so much. Seeing that Intervention Force will make me wait, that and the Death Company Strike Force are the kind of detachment sizes I want as allies for <1850 point games.

>>49303410
The fucking picture of the Black Shield has him equipped with two power swords. Another has him with two Power Mauls. If you went by your logic, you could only give the WS5 Black Shield a Bolter.

>>49303458
But >>49303426 Is right though.

>>49303459
Anon, you know that in the new lore/Deathwatch codex they're no longer a part of the Inquisition, right? In fact they often monitor and/or hunt down radical Inquisitors.

>>49303495
I've not read the damn thing because no one ever posts the fluff in pdf form.

>>49303410
>Same reason you can't give an Apothecary special weapons in a Command Squad in C:SM
they literally mentioned you can give apothecaries/company champions extra gear in the new FAQs

the blackshield can take what he wants

>>49303492
At this point anyone looking at this thread will see that anti tau fucktards are worse than the so called tau autists they vehemently believe in. It's ridiculous and very pathetic.

>>49303515
Oh. Well, their fluff has changed a lot now.

>>49303541
So who's the militant arm of the Ordo Xenos now? Red hunters?

>>49303528
Yeah but they wouldn't be here if the Tau weren't. Cancer multiplies and can sometimes lead to other types of cancer.

So the rules database has traitor's hate, but my epub reader isn't reading it in a way that I can read the results?

Has anyone else been able to read the epub?

>>49303552
No. Red Hunters have always been the personal chapter of the entire =][= since M.31.

Ordo Xenos don't have anyone. So technically Red Hunters, but not really.

>>49303555
They should be scorned and mocked all the same as their nonsense derails threads.

>>49303568
Huh okay then.

>>49303458
disgusting gook autist. go play fucking gundam or some shit you retarded weeb child
>>49303528
>>49303575
awwww the whittle tau babby is mad that everybody hates him

tau dont even belong in setting, at all. faggot

>>49303517
Then they retconned it in the comments of said FAQ picture.

>>49303477
But it says that any model may take items from the melee weapons list. So he can take two power swords.

So I tried to make a 1850 point tryhard Space Wolves list with the models I have, I don't expect to beat the toppest tier lists but I'm hoping this will be viable against most opponents

Champion of Fenris
HQ
Wolf Guard Battle Leader - Thunderwolf, Runic Armour, Stormshield, Krakensword - 175

Elite
5*Wolf guard - 5*combi plasma, drop-pod - 175
5*Wolf guard - 5*combi plasma, drop-pod - 175
3*Wolf guard terminator - 3*Power axe, 3* combi melta - 114

Fast Attack
6*Thunderwolf cavalry - 3*storm shield, Frost sword - 270
6*Thunderwolf cavalry - 3*storm shield, Frost sword - 270
Drop-pod - 35

Murderpack
5*wulfen - 2*SS/TH, Frost claw, 2*Frost Axe, Grenade launcher - 228
5*wulfen - 2*SS/TH, Frost claw, 2*Frost Axe, Grenade launcher - 228

Culexus Assassin - 145

Total:1815

>>49303575
The forgeworld question was just asking for it.
>>49303594
You have a severe social disorder though. Please seek immediate help or cease to function.

>>49303622
>You have a severe social disorder
>says the tau player
my sides

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>>49303473
i got your conversion idea right here

>>49303176
>eldar, not creative

i gotta admit i really dig the aspect warriors (sneaky murderers in heavy armor with stealth chainswords), desperation, alien features, and their sheer arrogance despite messing up all the time

>>49303552
i don't think anyone has a chapter militant now since grey knights, sisters, and deathwatch do their own thing but are known to partner up with their respective inquisition branch

>>49303594
Ah, you're still alive. Shame really such moronic idiocy can only be admired for so long. Stay eternally mad at a game of plastic, resin, pewter figures and hope you realize what a complete waste of space you are for being so angered by a fictional alien race and anyone who associates with them.
Fucking stupid autist piece of trash fucking kill yourself

>>49303661
tl;dr

taucucks writing short stories they are so triggered by the fact that everybody fucking hates them

>>49303345
Actually, now I remember that none of the Ordos have their own Chamber Militants anymore since neither the Sisters or the GK are part of the Inquisition proper, like what >>49303644 said.

But hey! If you take an Inquisitor in a Red Hunters army, you can be Battle Brothers with Grey Knights! :^)

>>49303644
Not him, but MY FUCKING DICK.

>>49303622
Is uttering the very word 'Tau' asking for it? Is that how far we've let them evolve?

>>49303682
I'll be honest, I saw that middle one and thought it was a Sister of Battle and had a similar but different thought.

Tau.

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>tfw all the competitive players in the local scene are all frequent tournament players with fully painted armies, many of which have super good conversions and customizations. While the casual players are the one with the half assembled, unpainted grey tide.

One guy converted a full Dark mechanicus army to count as Tau before Admech had rules, it looked fucking good I wasn't even upset.

>>49303716
>Awaiting Anti-Tau posters to sperg out
Why you gotta do this, anon?

>>49303737
There's different kinds of players, shocker.

You can be a WAACfag and play all grey tide or a casual and have a great unique army. Or the other way around.

I'm the kind who plays WYSIWYG super fluffy armies, so I put a lot of effort in, but you'd probably call me a casual because I don't run tournament level lists.

ned help with casual fluffy 1850 CSM list

KDK CAD

juggerlord
juggerlord
20khorne dogs (everything joins this)
fucking cultists or whatever

WIZARD CABAL
5x lvl 2 wizards on bikes

i has like 500 extra points or some shit idk wut 2 do?

>>49303780
1. Learn to use proper grammar
2. Learn to properly listbuild

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>>49303682

>>49303701
to be fair, loincloths are pretty cool

>>49303780
3 Maulerfiends

>>49300601
Honestly I think you'll get super bored of it 60% of the way through. I think you should pick a more interesting goal, like having 500 points painted of each faction in 40k.

>>49303840
Which is more impressive, Anon?

>>49303636
I don't even play Tau. If you read any of my posts you would have gotten that.
>>49303687
No, asking what absolutely overpowered FW nonsense to buy for the already absolutely overpowered army is asking for it.

>>49303812
i was thinking of adding belakor in case the enemy takes rocks and needs to throw them at something

also making all the wizards level 3

>>49303881
Not original anon but I wouldn't be impressed as much as I'd think about all the wasted opportunities. That's about $4,000 in just models alone, not including paints, glue, and the inevitable time loss. You could do so much with that same time and money anon, a hell of a lot more than giving GeeDubs more money to fuck up with just so the few friends who come over and actually appreciate what'll amount to a hundred pounds of plastic can go "wow."

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>>49303881
Making your own Forgeworld and Mechanicum army. The Thallax cohorts need not go insane of loneliness, only agony.

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Hey 40k general. I've recently started my own Space Marine Chapter. I'm looking to make them a Raven Guard successor chapter, though I'm not deadset on this as I like the Fists rules a little better. They're going to be -super original- and based around an animal, I'm looking to have them be coyote based, very sly and sneaky, lots of hit and run tactics. I haven't thought of a very good name, but I'll figure that out. I was wondering if you guys could help me come up with a very coyote themed color scheme.

>>49303894
He never asked about what was the most op forgeworld thing to get for his army, unless youre one of those that think all forgeworld is op.

>>49303941
Brown and Beige. The Wily Coyotes. They have a longstanding blood-feud with a renegade chapter known as the Rage Runners.

>>49303104
And nids that are unable to fight are devoured by nids too but you don't see them being aoc with themselves. Besides, cultists are under control of the patriarch is under control of the hive mind on planetfall. And the only reason I could think of anyone supporting them being aoc is because they're assholes, genecult characters are mostly psykers who are effected by shadow in the warp, Genestealers in the cult codex are aoc with nids even though the same fucking unit is bb in the nid codex. Beyond that the fluff clearly doesn't matter for the allie matrix anyways, de and eldar strictly despise each other but are bb, different imperial armies distrust each other but are bb, imperial armies are aoc with some xenos races despite being strictly xenophobes, so the two groups working for the same guy under the will of the hive mind shouldn't even have a problem skating by as bb.

>>49303941
Original founding donut steel

>>49303941
Maybe a natural camoflauge sort of deal? Brown, red, white, gray in unequal gradients. I wouldn't go for something totally uniform--each marine should be similar to another, but they should each be slightly varied in the placement or amount of each color.

>>49303941
ACME Chapter

>>49300346
Just collect Relictors, only ~a hundred surviving.

Rate my 1850 list

>300 boyz
>2 meks with combi-skorchas

>>49304200
Less meks more boyz

>>49304157
I think the Crimson Fists and Emperor's Scythes are low too.

>>49304202


Fixed

>308 boyz

Which one should I make my warlord?

>>49303972
Seconding. If fluff be an anchor for gameplay, then a cult who wants to be eaten first will gladly ally as BB.

But since it's obviously not as we can see demonstrated by the fluff-fuck decisions on the ally chart, then Nids & GSC ought to be BB for gameplay purposes.

Additionally, White Dwarf explicitly, specifically helped sell the set by stating unequivocally that GSC will "ally as Tyranids." Any decisions made to the contrary by whatever drooling chromosomal ly-challenged fucktards GW accidentally paid to make decisions are invalid, or every buyer has a bait-and-switch case to file.

ITC & every other homebrew bro counts GSC as Battle Brothets with Tyranids, because we have integrity & know what the fuck we're doing more so than the aforementioned Arthur Jermyn ape-things pounding keyboards.

>>49304214
Celestial Lions.

>>49304214
Relictors have another edge, primer/sprue grey scheme, black pauldrons and transfer slide skull emblem.

Distinguishing features: CSM weapon as relic and force weapons.

>>49304225
the biggest boy with the most dakka

>>49300288
Actually interested in starting a RandH army. Stories/experiences? my regular player is Necrons, but if I start another army hes gonna start nids

>>49304285
>>49300288
When did we stop calling them the Lost and Damned?

>>49303076
Age of new and retconned fluff ahoy. Now they will fight side by side before they get nomnom'd.

>>49302768
And playing tau that wont be hard

>>49304383
They were AoC as part of the Overkill box. You think that'll change?

>>49303426
Space Marine players are garbage when they bitch about Tau getting too much love. Fucking hypocritical shits.

>>49303426

>nobody hates 40k because of space marine players
>everybody hates 40k because of autistic underaged weeb children who play tau, like you

So you hate 40k.
Then leave.

>>49303894
>Tau is OP
>Says the space Marine player

>>49304475
B-but muh Übermench are aren't OP they just take their rightful place at the apex of power.

>>49304237
Oi, the ded 'killiest git should be da boss, dakka is fer gitz

Anyone know any FLGS's in the Atlanta, GA area? Here for college and want to start a small kill team force

>play first game in a long time
>take 1500 SoB
>Team up with 1500 IG
>Play against combination of Tau, Orks, and Spess
>No Tau MCs thank christ
>decide to have fun and take a 20 strong blob of Sisters
>Turn 1 Grav Cents pod next to my Exorcists
>Wreck one
>blob of 20 pulls out pistols
>fires and assaults cents
>remain there for the rest of the game

That was hilariously silly, though made me wish I had an Axe.

The rest of the game was rough because we rolled very poorly, and they roll pretty well. Still, had some fun. One Dom squad ate about 700 points of fire before a lucky ap3 snap shot killed the last one. My Seraphim nuked a truck, the boys inside, and then toasted a unit of lootas. A squad of Doms out flanked into a Hammerhead and some broadsides.

The funniest thing was still the Cents and Blob of sisters, though because they were just bopping off each other.

>>49304625
Love or at least a tea party bloomed on the battlefield that day.

>>49303556
Use Kobo

As a longtime Tyranid player who bought Overkill in anticipation of a Genestealer Cults Codex release, if they make them battle brothers I'll be fucking pissed. The last two editions of nid Codexes have already done enough to completely shit all over the lore.

Also the better buff the shit out of purestrains.

>>49303556
Just downloaded sumatrapdf and it works well enough. Overall improves csms, doesn't bring them anywhere near the more OP armies though

>>49303556
Kobo on Android, Readium on PC, buy it with your parents money on iOS.

Would you allow your oponent who plays Orks to field looted Imperial Knight or Warhound Titan with their regular cost and rules?

I'm thinking about converting 1-2 IKs instead of building regular ork walkers for myself.

>>49304794
Nah ork players can get to fuck if they think they're getting to use anything with BS4.

>>49304794
orks can take a renegade knight as allies of convenience

kitbash it together with a deff dread and a stompa to make it propa orky

>>49304794
Sure.
Desperate allies.

>>49304794
If you're going to take an IK just go Renegade, same rules just AoC

I'm being talked into getting some stuff to get into the hobby with Kill Squad, After looking around I'm thinking either Grey Knights, Tau, or The Death Korps and have some noob questions.

Are these factions strong? Is there a difference between Death Korps and normal Astra Millitarium? How different is Kill Squad from the normal game? How much should I budget out for this as an initial purchase?

I've played some ttrpgs before but never wargames, The smaller game seems to be a good starting point.

Thanks!

>>49304806
Guess you never hears of Nazdreg.
Our Megaboss with bs5 and assault 1 plasma cannon.

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>>49304841
>ork players have to reach back into the previous millennium to find decent rules
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>>49304816
>>49304817
>>49304830
So I guess my best call is to get IK: Renegade bundle and mix it with some orky bitz?

>>49304882
Eh, least out fluff has just gotten better with age.

>>49304890
Or just a single Knight, yeah

>>49304648

Pretty much. I honestly thought the cents came with power fists or something. When he said they didn't, I realized it was one for the tea party

>>49304890
the bundle gets you TWO knights

also renegades knights can double up on weapons, as where loyalist knights cannot. It's a lot of points to do this, but maybe having two battle cannons is worth it to you?

I suppose it depends how much dakka verses choppy you want.

I wish kill teams could include an inquisitor

>>49304924
Isnt there an Elite type inq somewhere?

>>49304932
not any more I don't think, unless the Grey Knights or Sororitas book still have the stashed away.

Actual inquisitors from the horribly laid out inquisitor book are HQ, but you can have two in a single detachment. Not that it matters for normal games, as you can have as many detachments as you want and at a minimum an Inquisitorial Detachment consists of just a 25 point inquisitor.

The henchment make a great killteam though.

How do Deathwatch hold up in Kill Team games?

Any cool paint schemes for my Eldar + Harlequins?

>>49304901
Ah yes, let's recap
>sanctus reach, new warboss is killed by a tellyporta
>the beast arises, orks become the secondary threat a few books in
Hey but at least Ghazghkull is slowly turning back around to lose at Armageddon once again!

Is the riptide wing formation in the Farsight Enclaves supplement, or just Mont'ka?

>>49304964
Tellyportas have been unreliable since the inception.
60% casualties are acceptable.

Orks have always been secondary or even tertiary to the "Forces of Order" as they always end up exhausting themselves and fracturing when they run outta momentum.

That said to individual planets/systems/clusters/chapters they are the ever present threat, one that every generation knows and fears unlike chaos and nids who lurk untill they annihilate.

>>49304956
Green white CWE Orange and black Harlequins.

>>49305004

If he does Biel-Tan CWE there's a specific Harlequin masque noted for working with them regularly. I forget the name but they're the easiest one to paint too.

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>>49305021
They have thematic relation yeah, the advantage of orange black is contrasting with the army as a whole accentuating both.

>>49300198
Dont suppose anyone has a digital 7th space marines codex lying about that Isnt a bloke taking pictures of only about half the book do they?

I've had enough of this fucking general. Look at this faggot over here:
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Don't tell me you fucking idiots don't realize he's baiting. And yet you fall for it. you think people like this are going to stop because you asked them nicely? Make no mistake, the only way to stop this kind of person in real life is to leave the premises or beat the shit out of them and since you can't do that via a computer, you just need to ignore his post.

But no, yet another general fucking ruined. Always people not being in control of their emotional faculties getting triggered by just hearing the word "Tau" for example and going off the deep end. Grow the fuck up, seriously. I assume everyone here is at least say.. 24 years of age perhaps? or at the very least engaging in a social passtime so you have a modicum of social finesse. Fucking use it holy shit.

Sick of this fucking place. If anything it's like an Imperium Simulator, since the society in here is fucking pants-on-head retarded.

>>49305513
The one in the mega link isn't a scan

>>49305794
Honestly didn't even notice that guy until you took the time out of your day to highlight it for the rest of the thread.
Spend a little time on 4chan and learn to filter the bullshit. You'll have a much more relaxing experience.

>>49305853
Oh, I can do it myself but what triggers me is not enough people doing it. Congratulations, YOU may not shit up the thread but so many others do that you have to police your own words to have a chance at getting a good reply.

>>49305794
And so you decided to post a meta rant that gave the shitposters (you)s and renewed attention, and the post itself'll get more replies than any of the shitposters.

GG.

>>49305863
You know one of the greatest things about anonymity is that you can just ignore everything you don't care about.
There might be two different threads of conversation in one topic, one with a guy you think is an idiot, the other one with a guy you get along great with. Point is they might be the same guy, you just don't know.

So if you feel you get so invested in something like this you probably should take a few minutes and do something else before posting. Puts things back into perspective for me anyway.

>>49301847
I now this is an obvious bait but I would really love if GW would do more with Adepta Sororitas. I wanna build myself a battle sister army but they are expensive as fuck. Make a plastic versions of those models and drop prices at least little bit.

Knowing GW though i think they would only increase the price.

>>49305794
>I've had enough of this fucking general.
Ok, then leave. Certainly don't give him more (You)s, you moron.

>>49306012
Classic

What's the title of the short story of a night lord who enters the warp during the heresy, spends a day or so in it, and exits it in m41? I'm trying to track it down.

>>49301475
Good thing my Kill Team has a Heavy Bolter Razorback (with a Stormbolter sponson) with the split fire specialist ability
>Killing up to 5 Guardsmen a turn after murdering the anti tank.
>What's your 27 lasguns going to do? I'm behind 11 AV.

>>49303118
Slow, expensive, elite

They're the Melee Elite to Deathwatch's Shooting Elite

Mediocre shooting, good assault, mediocre mobility, and moderate psychic (I'm going to get shit for this, but besides getting a good amount of dice I rank moderate because: 1. No bonus to harnessing, 2. Most powers are buffs for melee, and we know how good melee is. 3. The only good psychic killy unit (Purifiers), has no synergy with the playstyle the new codex pushed)

The exception to these rankings to the Nemesis Dreadknight which is dead killy (in melee)

>>49304237
You're a git, the boy with most choppy should be in charge.

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>>49306693
You wanna put Killboy in charge?! He's a soddin' maniak!

are mononurgle demons decent?

>>49306580

Vehicles can't be specialists

>>49306786
Wait what? Geez... guess back to the drawing board... thanks for the clarification. Good thing we haven't started playing K-Team yet.

>>49303176

>Eldar
>Uncreative

You have more shenanigans at your disposal than pretty much any other book. Aspects are love. Aspects are life.

>>49300539
Tetras are really good if you like deep striking stuff
Both Barracuda versions are good
Remoras are so-so, but they're probably the cheapest source of Death from the Skies attack patterns usage
Y'vahra is very good, but you must use it aggressively
R'varna isn't that reliable, but it looks cool
Ta'unar is only really fair in big games. If noone in your group is using Titans, don't get one (or get it for decoration, it's cool as fucK)
The turrets can be an interesting way to play

Everything else is meh or outright bad. The kroot stuff has been OOP for some time, I believe

I wanna stick a custom miniature in to fill a gap Im too lazy to spend five Bucks to fill.
It's in 30mm scale. Would it stick out too much?

>>49307009
Not really, 28mm models would stick out more thanks to GW's '''heroic''' scaling.

>>49307036
Sick thanks.

>>49304832
I don't know about kill squad, but I believe you intend to increase your army size later.
Supposing that, you should know beforehand that Astra Militarum isn't a very strong army right now - Death Korps is a bit better in melee and morale, but worse orders and more expensive (both in points and money).
Grey Knights is in a better situation, and Tau is better than them.

But I suggest you to test them exhaustively before deciding on an army. They're all expensive, take a lot of time to assemble (specially Astra Militarum) and, if you regret playing with it, you'll have a big problem in hands.

>>49307072
Guard are probably in a better place than Grey Knights, there isn't much between them powerwise though, they're both mid tier. And an infantry squad+priest at 75pts for 11 (although you'll be blobbing if you run that style) shits all over krieg's 70pt for 10 +1ws stubborn infantry in both morale and melee.

>>49307164
Well, yes, but DKoK has less need of priests than normal Guard, no? They don't break morale against shooting, IIRC

Do we still not have a scan of 7e Kill Team?
I'm tempted just to buy the box for a copy of the KT rules then trade fodder the sprues and full rules- if there's no scan by the time I buy my shit, I'll get a pdf up.

What is a good HQ for any marine/GK/deathwatch army?

I want something kind of good, is the "smash fucker" build still good?

Otherwise, what's a good on-foot no assault jump pack or Terminator armour build. Thinking librarian/chaplain but fairly.new not entirely sure.

>>49307432
What chapter are you thinking of using? There's a decent number of chapter-specific relics that can change things up now.

Can normal humans become Demon Princes or only space marines can?

Can space marines be sent to penitentiary worlds?

>>49307622
Normal people can, yes. Some of the Daemon Princes are older than space marines. For instance: Be'lakor

>>49307637
thanks