Flames of War General /fowg/ | No Spelling Mistakes Edition.

>>49289700
Just as a generalised reminder, you can submit questions to be answered on the next episode of Panzerfunk at the following link. The more questions we get the more we can answer.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeOBxEJbNzS_Ec7I76zQmCU9P7o0C5bAgcXriKQ4bOWBp4QkA/viewform

Huh, not only is the Estonian-SS list still up on the website, they updated it this august:
>http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/Documents/Briefings/Estonian-Forces-1944.pdf

Get it while you can!

just had my first battle as Japs today. fighting EW ruskies.

basically i had to hold two crossings for 6 turns.

started off trying to pick off or pin hordes of infantry with expensive jap arty before they could get close. no effect on the right hand side but the left eventually got they got forced to take a moral check. they ended up replacing losses every time. that rule is brutal. his tanks could pin my infantry and my AT guns were early casualties or bounce off his armour. this allowed him to get into an assault which was bloody for both sides but in the end he could take more losses than me. nikuhaku on tanks was glorious though.

anyway ended up a draw because i lost one bridge but he couldn't take the other in time.

Japanese arty and AT didn't do much for me considering the costs. should i buy engineers/more nikuhaku?

>>49290548
The better question is why were you defending? You should have been running screaming at him in the darkness.

>>49290566
homebrew mission. otherwise i would hsve prefered night attack

>>49290566
if its early war Ruskies it could be probably more of a Khalkhin Gol style battle - Japs on the defense and in danger of being overrun. Japs always seemed to be on the defensive against the Russians during WW2

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For you budding Iron Maidens: a guide to painting DPM

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>>49290781

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Scans for Iron Maiden when?
Also the lack of foxes makes me sad

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A brief look at bicycle troops in WW2, with a specific focus on the Hungarians.

>>49291492
>Shit what road are we in
>Max the nazi's got a hostage
>Quiet Stan I'm trying to navigate

>>49290781
>>49290792

Noice, but can I just paint em' drab green? I can't be arsed with all that.

>>49291794
You can paint them whatever colour you want but it sort of misses the point doesn't it?

>>49291492
>implying

>>49290829
It's not even out yet.

If and when I can get my hands on the preview copy at my FLGS, I might be able to start a scan.

>>49291794
Might as well just be playing with Green Army Men at that point.

503rd heavy tank battalion

1x Tiger 1 225
2x Tiger 1 430
2x Tiger 1 430
2x SdKfz 10/5 60
full panzergrenadier platoon w. trucks 185

How do I make this good?

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>>49291945
>>49294257

Well I'd do all the detail and paint the Chieftains camouflaged but painting 120 15mm men like that isn't my idea of fun.

>>49294325
What point total are you aiming for?

Because 5 tigers with minimal support isn't exactly the best list.

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Does anyone have any good tips for painting German Camo without an airbrush? I tried doing it by dry brushing it very lightly as shown.

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>>49296677
I dont understand why it went sideways. I apologize for that.

>>49296677
>>49296691

That's not too bad. You'll want to give that a gentle wash, then gently highlight the whole thing with middlestone (plus, optionally edging in something lighter like iraqi sand), but in terms of the "soft" edges, that's okay. In the field it was commonly painted on using a rag on the end of a stick. Rough is fine.

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Imma dump some pics from my latest game that I processed through some simple filters. Tell me if it's too awful.

>>49296677
I generally went for hard-edged camo before I got my airbrush, painting soft-edged with a brush is hard work

>>49296849
>Tell me if it's too awful.
Yes. Pls stop.

>>49294325
503. In Normandy?

Take a KT HQ and a single KT, then a platoon of 2-3 Tiger Ie. The KTs can babysit the smaller tiggers and kill stuff the smaller tiggers don't like giving the small tiggers more room to operate as intended.

>>49290410

Hmmmmm...

> SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier Platoon
> SS-Freiwilligen-Füsilier Platoon

>Replace up to one Rifle/MG team per squad with a
Panzerfaust Rifle/MG team for +10 points per team


>SS-Pioneer Platoon

>Replace up to one Pioneer Rifle team per squad with
a Pioneer Panzerfaust Rifle team for +10 points per
team.

That is new...and a sensible option, which is very odd from BF. They also added fortifications I see: makes sense for the Narva Line. I didn't notice any other changes.

As usual, the historically-favoured Fusilier Batt can only get one Panzerschreck while the Grens can get two, just because a BF employee's friend said they should...but it took me 6 months and numerous sources cited to get the Hetzers included...typical.

>>49296849
At first glance, I thought this was an oil painting..

>WWII miniatures
>T-72 in OP

Who are you faggots?

>>49297323
> He doesn't know about Team Yankee...

>>49297323
We cover all Battlefront games which include games about World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam, the 6 Day Arab-Israeli War, and now a fictional Cold War Goes Hot scenario set in the mid 1980s.

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>>49297323
ayy lmao

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>>49297323
Get with the times NERD

>>49297323
Because while Team Yankee is Scrotum-Botheringly popular, Flames of War is still at it's core a WW2 game.

>>49296737
What do you mean by highlight?

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>>49297323

>>49296883

wait..this one has potential....

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>>49296883

how about doing some selective cropping as well?

with larger original files, you can crop down selectively.

fuck, i just tabbed up all my TY purchases over the last 3 months....481 dollars!

>>49291492
>that thompson magazine

For when you need to shoot exactly 4 bullets before reloading

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I've just picked up Open Fire and was interested in expanding the Germans.

Is this list actually any good? I hate BoLS so I wouldn't be surprised if it was total shit (also it's 2 years old).

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/06/fow-expanding-from-open-fire.html

>>49302946
Surprisingly it's a pretty solid list. It could be better, it could be a lot worse. You'd need to buy Half-Tracks is part of the problem, and P2M is now bundled up into a compilation but in broad strokes, yes pretty okay list for a new player.

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>>49296677
I tried it on a 1/144 Panzer I. They used hard edges in their pre-war scheme so it's not as difficult... but a tan drybrush (dust) stippled on really helps blend everything in.

>>49302489
I think the point system tricks us into buying a shit tonnif stuff. I know I soent close to $400 on my Aufklärungs. So much resin...

>In Euroland for the week for a conference

Hope you can survive my shitposting in your tine zone.

>>49294325
You play kampfgruppe hummel or 500 abteilung instead

>>49290548

You always want at least one platoon of AT, preferably two. Arty can be substituted very well with tanks. Japanese tanks are an incredibly good bulwark against infantry, provided you have the ability to kill tanks to cover them. They're particularly good in assaults. Japanese really rely on their infantry platoons, so don't undersize them. If they have tanks, max out your nikuhaku. They're stupidly good.

>>49302946
That list looks pretty solid, although I'd take some Pazerschrek with the HQ section. I'd experiment with dropping the StuGs, and picking up a big blob of pioneers, as well. The odd number of platoons can be a problem in reserves games, but you can kampfgruppe out a team from one of the infantry platoons to bring that up to 8, so 'at least half' of your platoons being in reserves still leaves you with 4.

I might also swap the infantry scouts for armoured cars.

The list is basically decent, though. And none of the figures are unlikely to see use in the future. Nebelwerfers and Pak40s, particularly.

>>49303252

What about if they dropped the Panthers, added a StuH and tank escorts to the StuGs, and picked up a pioneer platoon and a pair of 88s?

>>49304408
The point I think is that with the exception of the Panzergrenadier Scout Platoon and the Volks Rocket Artillery Battery everything extra you're shoving into the list is plastic.

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So here's my first Panzer Zugwip. Pretty sure I've overdone it on the drybrushing. Also probablet shit photo.

Been a long time since I've do everything anything this small.

so like... how many weeks before my order from battlefront goes from downloaded to sent?

>>49306302
Depends on where you live. If you live in a Commonwealth country, could be within a week. That's how long I usually wait.

>>49306302
It was three months before I got my churchill.

There's a breakthrough assault review of Iron Maiden. Looks like the brits are all IR, so there's now one matchup where night attack isn't solely to hose down the soviets.

>>49306347
when i lived in aus it took 4 months for my italian paras to arrive. i put it down to playing italians and having them stereotypically turn up late. living in nipland now... god only knows when they'll arrive

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>>49305666
>every tank with a different camo
You know they are supposed to look all the same?

>>49303252
>>49304400
>>49304408

Where would I go if I wanted to take it to 2000 pts?

>>49307410
I'm not sure it matters. Here in San Francisco we haven't received any British or Soviet TANKS expansions yet... it's been ages. The starter sets and initial German and American expansions sold out very quickly but after those first two shipments, our stores didn't get anything else. It could've taken off.

>>49306302
I'm sorry but it's never coming Anon.

>>49308868
Not many people tend to play at 2000 points. 1750 is near the upper limits t of the size of games that people tend to play on a regular basis.

Normally it's even down near 1500.

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>>49311132
I see. In that case I'll just aim towards that BoLS list for the Germans. That it's 10 points over 1750 really annoys the fug out of me though.

>>49311132
1750 is basically standard here, but tbf I haven't seen more than that for a while.

>>49311214
Yeah, that's unfortunate.

It's called a points **Limit** for a reason.

>>49308868
I've played high point games before (2k, 3, even 4k, usually in 2v2s) but they are exceedingly rare unless organized ahead of time.

>>49300435
>highlight
Im assuming he means either highlighting the edges of the details (panels, hatches etc) slightly to make them stand out, or drybrushing the dunkelgelb a tad to brighten it back up after a wash.

I used to do both as I used to cover the entire vehicle in earthshade, but now I would recommend against washing the whole thing and use a pin-wash instead. I still use edge highlighting though
>>49308771
>You know they are supposed to look all the same?
Bit dull 2bh lad

Sitting in a talk at my conference today, I remembered that our group has an electrospinner. It's a piece of equipment that allows you to use a large electric potential to "spray" plastic fibers from a dope solution to form a fabric of coat a surface.

Basically it generates a shit ton of static electricity. I am going to try to use this to flock some grass onto some infantry bases. If it works like I have seen online the grass will stand up straighter and hopefully look more full.

I'll post pics next week when I get home from Potatoland.

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Here is the image of the unit we have. I am going to stick my bases upside down on the plate at the top of my machine. I will lay the flock where the plastick dope syringe usually goes.

>>49297011
I find it weird that they updated it on the website, especially since it's apparently included in Flames of War Digital now. I figured they were letting the free briefings wither on the vine.

>>49315137
> InB4 c3k tears a rift in our space-time and destroys the universe.

>>49315137
groovy.

>>49316805
groovier

i'd always been kinda "meh" about team yankee. the book was good but not enough to make me learn a new rule set. then i see these sexy sexy challengers and milans. push me over the edge and tell me why i should neglect my real life some more? how is TY compared to fow?

>>49317934
Fast and brutal. Things die insanely quickly. The rule set is actually simpler than FOW, and feels more streamlined.

>>49317934
Team Yankee is more streamlined and faster-playing than standard Flames of War.

Things pack a real punch. Any penetrating hit is almost guaranteed to be a kill.

Anyone able to post the Bulge British airlanding list? Looking at making my airlanding troops soon and I want to make sure there isn't some weird option in the bulge compilation that makes me want to rethink my planning.

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>>49311214
why net list?

come up with 1735 -1750 pts worth of something you think is cool?

you do think certain units are cool, right?

>>49317934
>>49318034

wait, i have a realization.

it has the same sense of initiative and pacing a good game of Chess or Axis and Allies does.
it plays closer to a classic strategy game that a modern competitive one.

it is no where as stat dependant as warhammer

>>49320024
Except for where tanks are involved (against other tanks).

>>49317934

The card based stats makes for a much more streamlined game, especially playing games with multiple people. You can habd out cards for what units people are commanding and you don't have to flip through the book.

I think the game will only continue to get more interesting as more forces get added. There are only a couple of things I disagree with: namely the chieftain front armor and how ineffective IFV's are at taking out infantry in buildings/dug in infantry.

I just realized when the French finally get their TY book they'll only have the AMX 30 for their MBT.

I don't know how to feel about this.

>>49323218
Don't worry, they'll probably give it Gundanium front armor like the Chieftain.

>>49323329
Not sure. the AMX was pretty well known for being of the Leo1 speed-is-armour design school, whereas the Challenger was a fairly unique go at a armour-and-firepower-over-speed pocket heavy.

I'm thinking it'll really just be a Stabiliser-less Leo1 with a bonus co-ax Autocannon.

>>49323406
My bad I read "Sacrificed protection for increased mobility" as "sacrificed mobility for increased protection". You are likely right then. Most of the tanks I am running are Leo 1s. As soon as I actually play with them, I'll post my experience with them.

The 20mm will help a bit against light vehicles so maybe it will cost the same as a Leo 1.

>>49302615
Not far off the 20 round box desu.

>>49323218
I'm okay with it as long as we get Plutons as well.

when will they release another warpac member though? Poland and Czech had their own domestically designed stuff too right?

>>49324105
A little bit. Not much.

They had a lot of domestically *produced* shit, but much of it was to Soviet designs.

>>49324105
Limited mostly to upgrade packs for existing T-series tanks.

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>>49324105
Some Czechnology. But mostly licensed Russian things.

>>49323749
It's got 80mm LOS armour on the glacis, so...

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>>49324105
The Czechs really liked to rename everything starting with "O"

In the road to rome book the allied companies have fortifictions listed as units but I cant find a slot for them in any army lists. How do I take fortifications?

>>49324661
For example, british Rifle Companies (I am certain others can as well, those were just the first one that came to mind) can take Field Fortifications. Begin by looking at that.

>>49324762
I looked at all the companies. No reference is made to it. Why is there an entry for it, or is there just an assumed slot for field fortifications in an infantry company.

>>49323218
How much do you want to bet that French will be the only "hit as trained" western force?

>>49325580
That or reluctant/hit as veteran.

>>49325535
Look at British Rifle Company on page 40. Under Brigade Support Platoons, for your first Machine-gun Platoon, you also have the option for "Field Fortifications" (assuming you're using the british 78th Division). This also points you to page 99. This page then shows you what's included in "Field Fortifications" (2 HMG Nests and 4 Minefields), how much it'll cost you (250 points) and any additonal options.

>>49325719
I MISSED IT! THANKS!!!!!!

(This post changed my life.)

>>49325788
Also available for US Rifle (3rd ID) or US 92nd Cavalry (dismounted)

>>49308771
Guys, should we just put out a laughing tanker meme for posts like this?

>>49326619
If you can find a good enough image, go for it.

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Is this a good way to start a murrican army?

How to expand it?

>>49328143
Yes, actually. Pershings are a bit of a funny choice, but they're not awful. You'll want some 105mm howitzers or priests, and some armoured cars/jeeps for artillery (with smoke) and recce, and probably more shermans later on, but it's not a bad start.

>>49328143
It's easily expandable into either an American Tank company with Armored Rifles in support, OR an American Armored Rifle company with tanks in support.

The only oddball inclusion is the Pershings. They're essentially American Panthers, and just as expensive points-wise.

>>49328431
Personal preference is a super pershing, if I'm going to run pershings at all, but a trio of pershings might work too.

>>49294610
Get a different hobby then. 120 15mm isn't even that big a project.

>>49328143
Add some support: Armoured Mortars are good, or even proper artillery. Also add at least one Recce unit: a patrol of Cav Recon or Armored Recon, or just the infantry guys. Some Sherman 105mm are nice for anti-infantry work with their Breakthrough Guns.

I would use the Reluctant Veteran 3rd Armored from Remagen: the Con Vet is a bit too expensive, and Pershings already eat up points fast.

What is it with battlefront's shipping? The FLGS hasn't had a single order arrive within two weeks, three times now.

>>49330283
Sometimes it depends on what is your n the order.

They're notorious for underestimating demand on their most popular products.

Team Yankee and the Tanks game are both perfect examples of this.

The production runs on both of those were the largest they could safely produce at once, and they had to order two more production runs the same size to keep up with demand.

>>49330716
Churchills, Finnish infantry, and panzers. Are those all high demand? I've never heard of anyone using a finnish list outside of a few hardcore fanboys.

>>49330806
Paradoxically, low demand items, like the Finns, are also hard to come by.

Because they produce less of them.

Churchills and Panzers should be fairly common though.

>>49330879
I don't get why it takes them at least a month to get anything to a game store, then.

>>49331185
i know.

no Soviet TANKS here in Utah....

>>49331185
I think what he's trying to say is that sometimes things don't get delivered to stores because there simply aren't any to send to the stores.

Battlefront is not Games Workshop. They're nowhere near as large of a conpany.

If Tanks or Team Yankee had gone bust and didn't sell at all, they would have been up shit's creek without a paddle.

So they play things safe with how much of any given thing they make. Which occasionally leads to unavailability until they produce more.

>>49332700
Yeah, I don't care about that. It's that it takes months to get anything you order from them.

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>>49333143
Ok. Let's assume the thing you want is not currently out of stock.

They're still in fucking New Zealand.

As in middle of the fucking South Pacific.

Stuff needs to be put on a slow boat across the Pacific Ocean, arrive at a port in the west coast of the US, clear customs, get sent from the port of arrival to a local distributor, and then sent from there to the local stores.

If the stuff is in-stock at the local distributor, it could be at your FLGS in a week or less.

If it has to be shipped in from The Shire, you might be waiting a while.

>>49333347
That's also not what you said. You said they had to do small production runs to avoid losing money if things didn't sell.

Anyway, regardless of the excuse, they put out a bad impression with how long it takes to get stock out, which is the ultimate issue.

>>49333660
TY pretty much died on the vine with the soviet stuff only coming out like a month after the US. By the time people had soviet stuff painted up everyone had gone back to WW2. Iron Maiden might change that though, we've got a few people who were in BAOR at the time so they might go in.

>>49333746
the fuck?

TY is the healthiest Battlefront product right now. it sells out. 300% profit for the whole company.

that's a nice opinion i have there, but i happen to know Team Yankee is making sales everywhere: Idaho, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Wisconsin, Virginia are what i personally know in the US. Nottingham has the expected lot, North Island NZ has TY players, ....where do you live? whom do you contact?

>tfw want to play, but nearest flgs is a 50 minute drive away and nearest town is a 20 minute drive
Sometimes rural life is a hassle.

>>49333746
i was going to post a sad post, about how i was sick of 4chan, but i loved /tg/ and /fowtg/ as well. it was going to be a pretty emotional post, since i have a lot to get off my chest, and a lot to praise you guys for.

then this fag shows up.
BRB, gonna go buy tons of Team Yankee Soviets.

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>>49333347
...You know that their shipping isn't based in NZ right? Their distribution centre is based in Nottingham.
I have my Invoice from them right here, some pisshole called 'Beeston' in Nottingham. They used to have their shipping in Australia but everyone hated it.

>>49336363
>They used to have their shipping in Australia but everyone hated it.

we truely are incompetence made flesh.

but seriously why does it take two months to go from "downloaded" to "packed". i think its a fair question when i have dolled out $100 or more for my tonks.

>>49336363
I don't know if there's any truth to this but come Singapore shop bragged about getting their stuff first because they are based near the manufacturer or something.

>>49335243

I take it he meant locally.

>>49336363
Nothing against NZ. Nothing at all.

It was more that I was having to explain supply and demand as well as supply chains on 4chan of all places.

That was pissing be off.

Also, if they do ship from Nottingham in the UK, how does that make any more sense then shipping from NZ?

You still have to get the shit to England from the factory, which is in Malaysia.

That ADDS to the distance things need to travel before being sent out to anyone that isn't conveniently also in Europe.

>>49336975
Because Shipping from the UK at least puts you in part of a major supply chain. You can road ship stuff to Europe, which is a fucking big market, or you can hock it on a container ship and send it to the 'States. Plus you can use UK Mail in some cases which is hella cheap.

Otherwise I don't know. Presumably because storing stuff in Malaysia is bad? Who knows. Sumiovich is in some kind of mad tax scheme doing this?

>>49333746
It was certainly a hiccup, but Team Yankee is still a smash hit.

They had to do multiple full-size production runs to keep up with the demand.

And according to Battlefront on the TY Facebook page worldwide almost equal numbers of Bannon's Boys and Potecnov's Bears are being sold.

The difference between the two is in the single digits. Something like the US set has sold only 3 more copies world wide compared to the Soviet set.

No clue where the West Germans factor into that though.

>>49335314
>and a lot to praise you guys for.

Us? Why? We're just a bunch of medium-skill players that offer advice on a game we enjoy playing.

>>49317934
Challengers aren't in the game sadly but you could play the over-statted chieftans we have as challies and call it a day, for now at least

>>49337261
Also i really hope we get all the shiny new NATO toys in another book. I really want the US to be able to field Black Hawks, Apaches, M1A1s, Bradleys and F15s as well as Warriors, Challengers and Foxes for the brits.

>>49337261
How are they over-statted?

They fall into a nice sweet spot right in between the Abrams and the T-72.

>>49337320
The normal one should be on par with the T-72 and the stillbrew should be one point if armor more, the frontal protection of the chieftan isn't that great.

>>49337304
I keep hoping for an eventual REFORGER book.

REFORGER was the name of a real world plan for the REturn of FORces to GERmany.

Hopefully a book like this would have options for both more advanced technology such as the M1A1 and the Bradley, and less advanced technology like the Patton.

And the same thing for the Soviets. This is where we could see T-80s, T-64s, T-62s, and T-55s.

>>49337375
Either that or it'll be two separate books "Hammer and Sickle" and "Stars and Stripes" to act as Codex Soviet Union and Codex American Army in Germany with the Afgansty and whatever else rolled in.

>>49337410
Hopefully, they'll do something like that. Sadly, "Hammer and Sickle" has been used for one of the books that went into Red Bear, they might wish to use another name. (And I think "Stars and Stripes" was the old US V book, but that might be old enough)

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>mfw my FLGS is having a BF sponsored massive TY tournament in October, but I ship for the Army in a week.

Where are all the gaming sets? You know those metal boxes with dice etc. I can't find them

>>49339188
They stopped doing those, IIRC because they sourced stuff from three different places for them.

>>49339188
You can try "Dice of War" for themed dice and tins, though you'll have to get tokens elsewhere.

>>49312307
>>49311341
We always play 2 v 2 3000 point games, absolute mad carnage on a massive table. Usually North Africa, or Hungary.

>>49339743
best game i have ever played was DAK and Paracadudusti Vs Kiwis and Brits in NA. battalion sized games are the best

Anyone had any PSC 25pdrs through the door yet? They're in the webstore now.

Guy last time i was here Leopard book just came out, did BF released the British book or said something about a warsaw pact book?

>>49341091
British for Team Yankee are due out within the next few weeks or so. East Germans have been bumped up from a Afgansty style small magazine briefing to their own full book and are scheduled for End of this year/beginning of next year.

>>49341113
Nice, what kind equipment British will have? Chieftans and Centurions?

>>49341158
http://www.wwpd.net/2016/09/team-yankee-iron-maiden-unit-cards.html

Centurions are out, too old, Challengers aren't in, too new. So it's Chieftains that sit in a comfortable tier placement between the T-72 and the M1A1 Abrams.

>>49341228
It's notable Britain did have Challengers, including one group in BAOR, but I guess it's just another C&P MBT at this stage.

>>49341228
Thanks, i thought some Centurion variants were still in service. I really want to see Battlefront releasing rules and cards for older equipment since i am pretty sure in a ww3 scenario those tanks would be used in reserve units.

>>49341466
Centurion ARV and AVRE existed but thats rather different than having Centurion 5/2s about the place.

Has anyone here had experience with contacting PSC directly? I'm trying to get my hands on some more paratrooper officer sprues, since their paras box was a bit short on NCOs and COs, but they don't list them individually like they do for the tank sprues.

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>>49344965
Last time I emailed the email on their website, Will got back to me the very next day.

>>49339489
How are Dice of War? I've been considering picking up some unit specific dice for some of my forces.

Judging by the pictures m, they seem high quality, but expensive.

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>>49341466
Older equipment will likely be added in a later book.

Or at the very least a mini-book like the Afghansty.

So guys, why did my Afgantsy heavy weapons not come with their cards like everything else?

>>49352823
Because they come with the Afghansty Briefing.

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We finally get the plastic M10s (officially for FoW, not just as single-pack TANKS). As expected, parts for M10, M36 and M10C (but no british crew)

Seems quite nice, I will definetely get a pack as soon as I can have a hobby budget again. Shame that the crew is the same as for the normal tanks, I would have preferred a few more helmets. Oh well, not as if I don't have enough helmets/helmeted heads to add (or just grab a few crews from the bits box).

>>49353832
While everything else gets their cards right in the blister pack. Smells like the usual suspects.

>>49355594

Yes, clearly this is the anti-soviet machine at work and not just clumsy packaging decisions.

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>>49356434
Did another bit of painting yesterday.

I know it's not show-accurate (only the Jagdtiger was in this colour) but I'd say it's good enough for a quick and simple starting point.

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>>49357064
Didn't mean to add that link, but have a slightly different angle as well.

>>49355594
All the Afghansty cards come with the briefing.

It's just the way they did it. *shrug*

>>49354705
So the crew is on another sprue, or are they recycling the metal crew from the current ones?

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>>49358299
The same plastic crew that you get with the new plastic Shermans and Pershings, pic related. Doesn't seem all bad, but I could wish for better.

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>>49358372
Doesn't look too bad, but as said, I would prefer more helmets. Happily, I have ways of making that possible.

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>>49358372
Huh, is there a similar sprue for the brits? More interested in making the M10Cs out of it, because resin sucks and BF's M10Cs have the uncommon early counterweight (most of the conversions used the turrets with the larger duckbill counterweight)

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>>49359292
There is BSO194, which is what it seems BF used for the Achilles shown. Mostly berets, I don't know how accurate that would be.

>>49357064
I thought the Jagdtiger was a little redder. Good job on the logos though.

>>49357108
I really like that color. It would look great with a black pin wash and maybe an oxide dry brush over the edge details.

>>49359429
Fairly accurate for most tanks, but as with the Americans it's a bit inaccurate for the crew in the open-topped turret.

>>49330806
>I've never heard of anyone using a Finnish list
Your meta blows.

>>49359429
Berets is correct for the brits, british tankers didn't get issued helmets.

>>49361323
I dunno about the average brit tanker, but if I served in (on?) an M0, with the open turret and all, I would grab a helmet pronto.

Also, those guys weren't tankers, they were Royal Artillery.

Also also: http://quanonline.com/military/military_reference/british/tanker_helmet.html They were issued, most tankers just choose to stick to the beret.

>>49361004
Hey, it's why I'm starting one. Now I get to be the Sisu guy.

Are there any American lists that can get Churchills (particularly Crocs/VIIs) as support?

>>49361942
29th Infantry in Overlord. Maybe something from BoB, though I don't think so.

What books should I check if I wanted to make an italian blackshirt regiment? Ostfront & Afrika?

>>49362150
Hellfire and Back, North Africa, and Burning Empires. There might also be some in Eastern Front.

>>49361323
They were issued them they just preferred not to wear them for a variety of reasons. Partially it was unit pride, especially among the Royal Tank Regiment units there was a lot of "If I'm to die, I'll die wearing my RTR beret, not some tin hat!", there was also an element of comfort in that the beret was easier to wear than a helmet and finally there was a (mistaken but prevalent) belief that in the event of your tank being hit, a helmet wouldn't help against the kind of damage a 75mm shell does. Some crewmen wore them, particularly I've seen drivers wearing them in pictures of Brit tankers, at least more than other positions.

Does anyone know the release dates for the new Bulge compilation?

There doesn't seem to be one listed on the official website.

>>49361323
>british tankers didn't get issued helmets

Yes, they did: the RAC (Royal Armoured Corps) tankers helmet. Berets or GS caps appear a lot in pictures, but pictures were seldom taken during action so that's unsurprising.

>>49363583
It came out at least 2 weeks ago.

>>49363583
Its free on the app.

>>49363583
Really? I haven't seen it in my FLGS.

>>49363717
I prefer physical books.

>>49363600
They had Helmets and GS caps. No berets as they weren't RAC, they were Royal Artillery.

>>49359546
Thanks. The minis in the pic do in fact have a black pin wash.
Not the perfect lighting to show that, but many of the panel lines etc would be nigh invisible without it.

>>49359462
Looking at the available images, it is indeed a bit redder in neutral lighting.
Still, this was the closest I could get without weird mixes, so I'm just gonna roll with it.

>>49363583
My FLGS got theirs delivered today. Picked up my copies.

>>49364120
>My FLGS got theirs delivered today. Picked up my copies.

I shall have to check mine over the weekend.

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In regards to the other guy is this set any good for starting Brits?

>>49365960
No it's not. Comets are highly specialised, motor platoons are garbage. Get Open fire if you must have a British List, at least the Shermans are reasonably priced and can work for more than one era.

>>49365960
Really depends on your style of play and so on. For me personally its a little bit of a stale package, if you like comets go for it

>>49365960
Sadly, no, unless you already have a bunch of FoW experience. Both units in it (comets and LW British motor platoons) are fragile and tricky to use right. And despite the Comet being more points-expensive than most medium tanks, the whole box is far less points than the other boxes so your points/$ is lower as well. They really should have at LEAST stuck a second Comet and two Cromwell CS sprues in there. As-is, it's something that only a really experienced player can use well.

Dammit battlefront, stop fucking up the british.

>>49366126
>>49366138
>>49366237

Cheers, I'll avoid it in that case.

I bought Open Fire but it was the old one and the Sherman's were a total cunt to build. I used elastic bands and glue activator but I still wasn't happy with them.

>>49366357
Trim the upper ridges on the side plates so that they're like the firefly and that makes them sit flat.

>>49366357
Yeah the old one is garbage.

I an coming away with $250 from a poster session award. Debating between starting Soviets for TY or picking up Rommels Furry's to add to the german half of open fire. Any thoughts? The Rommel box seems like a good value, and I was wanting to run DM for my germans any way though I wasn't sold on Panthers. I wish I had a better idea of what new stuff was coming for the Soviets in TY before buying things for them now.

>>49367400
>The Rommel box seems like a good value, and I was wanting to run DM for my germans any way though I wasn't sold on Panthers.
It's really hard to see 10 Panthers/Jagdpanthers fitting into a single army, and you have to use 7-8 of them for there to be any discount.

>>49367556
Retard Reluctant Trained Panthers from Bulge. You can easily slam ten into that list.

>>49367569
In the new book, I assume?

goddamn. i was only interested in the german or british boxes and all im hearing is bad things about both.

did i make an expensive mistake buying rommels wolves?. from what i can tell the box allows you to choose how many panther g's to jagd you want so i figured i could have a good look through the LW books and see what works best.

im from a BA background which has more cheesy gamey rules. maybe me bigger is better mentality is still kicking in.

help a noob out

>>49367777
No FHH Panzerkompanie from Blood, Guts and Glory. Which will probably be in the compilation.

>>49367843
You can salvage your mistake, look in the scans for either Devil's Charge or Blood Guts and Glory, or Desperate Measures and there will be lists that will let you field more than a few Panthers, albeit at a lower rating.

>>49361942
After sleep, I remember that there is also US Paras/Gliders from Nachtjäger (means Night Hunter), who can take Guards Churchills as support.

29th only get Churchill Crocs.

>>49369031
Bugger, both infantry lists with no other armor support. Was asking because we got a new guy at our shop that has been buying the models without playing for a while, and just decided to start playing. He has a pretty decent core of Americans: 5x M4A1 Shermans, a M4A1 76, 5 M5 Stuarts, 1 Super Pershing, 2 normal Pershings, an unassembled Armored Rifle platoon, a Priest, and a M6. Pretty obvious and usable (though bit poor on the Sherman variants) base for a Remagen list.


But he's also bought some Brits (namely 3 Churchill VII/Crocs) and Germans (a Tiger, 3 Panzer IVs, some halftracks, something else I forgot). I was hoping to find a US armored list with Shermans, armored rifles, and Stuarts that would let him throw the Churchills in as support, but I'm not terribly surprised to find no such list exists.

>>49367843
Desperate Measures Trained Panzerkampfgruppe. You'll run like 8 panthers in that and they won't be full retard with shit support.

I forgot the list I recommended to the last guy but once the plastic 8 rads the list was something like 90% kits.

You had 8 panthers, two 8 rad groups (1 each had a PaK 40) a Panzergrenadiers platoon mounted in Hanomags, some nebelwerfers, and a couple Ostwind for AAA.

Not tourney list of the year, but it's very solid and covers all your bases.

can I make jagdpanthers from Rommel's Wolves? Thinking about making the Heavy AT list from around Caen

>>49370957
I love Jagdpanthers, but they're very tricky. They're really designed as an anti-Churchill. That front armor 10 on such an expensive vehicle hurts.

>>49370957
Yes, I think each sprue allows for both options.

>>49370957
yes, you can actually magnetize the hulls so you can use both the Panthers and Jagdpanthers fairly easily

>>49335294
My local is 45 away. Im there twice a week. Man up.

>>49367556
That's a good point. The main appeal is my FLGS has it in stock and panzergrenadiers and a copy of desperate measures are included. Another mini rulebook is also nice, ask Hungariboo how bad my rulebook from open fire is botched.

Anyway, I will likely start on Soviets for Team Yankee. I am just a bit nervous about buying up a bunch of T-72s in the box set because I want to run some T-64/T-80s and I have no idea how the list will let me mix and match.

>>49371507
Right now T-72s are the only tank in the Soviet list.

Will they get other tanks eventually? Perhaps? We honestly don't know.

>>49367866
>FHH Panzerkompanie from Blood, Guts and Glory. Which will probably be in the compilation.
Can confirm it is.

Seems mostly unchanged, which makes it a briefing that can be pretty damn effective if you can manage your weaknesses.

Add some recce and some smoke-dispensing artillery to Rommel's Wolves and I'd say you've got a pretty solid force there.

>>49370957
>>49371119
>>49371169
Yup, you get enough parts on each Panther sprue for both Panther and Jagdpanther upper hulls, including two full sets of schürzen which are excellent for holding the upper hulls into place.

You might be able to get away with making them swappable without magnets, though I would still add them personally.

Looking at the official FoW website, it looks like Battlefront have finally compiled a variety of campaign systems onto a single page:
http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=4501

In addition, it looks like the West Germans are indeed getting an expansion booklet (Panzertruppen) for full Leo 1 Panzerkompanie forces and Panzergrenadiers in M113s.
It's gonna be released in the same manner as the Afghantsy.

>>49372021
I'd say odds are good we at least see the T-64. I suppose if I can't take a mixed formation of tanks I can at least mix two tank formations.

>>49372127
I will probably end up buying another box of janky resin Leopard 1's to run the Leopard 1 tank company. Then I can finally run Jaguars.

>>49369469
Oh, and I just remembered: he really wants to use his M6 in our LW games. What do you guys think would be a fair LW points cost for it? I was thinking ~160-165 with the LW ammo for the 3" gun, based off a comparison to the uparmored E8.

>>49372127
>Panzertruppen

Part of me is excited for a full Leopard 1 company.

But at the same time, I'm less than excited for more M113s.

I've built waaay too many of them already for my Americans.

Any leaks regarding the Panzertruppen lists?

Should I already start buying M113s and Leo1s?

>>49375899
The way the press release is worded makes me think there are multiple formations.

1) A Leopard 1 Panzer Formation
2) A M113-based Panzergrenadier Formation
3) A Fuchs-based Aufklarungs Formation

Is tank aces fun?
I'm trying to find something to help me revitalize my local fow scene.
>And by that I mean actually getting people to show up.

>>49376295
I've played it a couple of times.

It seems like a public beta for what would eventually become the Tanks game.

>>49376295
I'm kind of hoping to use it as a gateway drug to FoW for all the local Tanks players.

>>49376048
I would actually consider buying another box of Fuchs to run a Fuchs anchored list.

They are cheap and you could use spearhead moves to deploy an entire screening force or set up really obnoxious milan positions on the flanks.

>>49376295
>>49378001
It's decent fun, but the default mission kinda needs a tweak so that victory is decided by kill ratio, not surviving tank count, since with the default conditions a force of lighter tanks can just run away from a few slower heavies and time out the game.

Even without that, some unfortunate matchups can happen.
I once had a game using trained Panthers vs a KV-85 list. That was a one-sided slaughter.

>>49379202
KV-85s? Are those in Tanks already?

>>49379325
Nope, I was talking about Tank Aces.

The IS-85, on the other hand, IS in Tanks.

Hey just as a heads up, the Bulge Books are no longer free on the app, y'all missed your chance if you hadn't grabbed them yet.

Luckily, they honored the "purchase" of those who nabbed it in time, so if you hit "buy", even if you never truly downloaded it, you're set.

>>49379202
>It's decent fun, but the default mission kinda needs a tweak so that victory is decided by kill ratio, not surviving tank count, since with the default conditions a force of lighter tanks can just run away from a few slower heavies and time out the game.
On the other hand, a lighter force shouldn't be insta-fucked because the local german took two KTs.

I favor adding an objective worth 2xp. Both players place one within 8" of the center of the table, then the attacker rolls a dice. On a 4+ the one his opponent placed is removed, otherwise his is removed. This causes there to be a central focus, and means that just running and hiding isn't viable since your opponent will freely capture the objective.

You could also not play with assholes, though with larger groups and more structured campaigns that becomes harder.

Anyone know of painting services for this game or its size of 15mm?

My regular guy who paints my stuff doesnt go below 20mm.

I was thinking of getting involved. My local lgs has a lot of US and Germany players so I was thinking Hungry or England.

>>49291492
>that muzzle discipline

>>49380660
>He's hungry for pancakes

top show

>>49381088
Is Hungry not good? Should I go Romania? I didnt want to do Italy. Too many German and US players so I dont want that. I dont like Russia.

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>>49381316
No Hungary can be stupid powerful.
Assault Pancakes, otherwise known as Zrínyi II are some of the best Anti-Infantry units in the game because they have two shots and Breakthrough gun which automatically removes Infantry teams hit by it unless they're in hard cover.
Plus access to Cheap Panthers, Cheap Heavy Artillery, German Panthers, German Airsupport etc. Very viable army.

>>49381316
Hungary is surprisingly very good.

They're basically Discount Germans, with some prett good home-built vehicles, such as the already mentioned Zrinyi.

>>49381464
>>49381383

Thanks for explaining. Hungry it is I guess.

Just need to find painter.

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as it turns out, my penis can get more erect.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0rnWgwUcs4

anyone got any idea how to make a decent autumn themed base for the 15mm scale?

i have seen stuff for 28mm but it looks enormous next to 15mm troops.

>>49382793
they make autumn color flock material

i would actually take some HO 'flowers' that are the appropriate shade and use those, those are usually very fine grit

>>49382368
is that.....season 2?

>>49382907
>they
sorry who?

HO flowers?

sorry if these are stupid questioms but i hav only seen a few things from army painter that looked too big

>>49382956
Model railway stores.

HO is a model railroad scale, approximately 1:87th scale if I'm remembering correctly. It's "close enough" for Flames of War and Team Yankee which is 1:100.

>>49383070
i shall give it a look

>>49383070
si, el correcto

>>49371507
>and panzergrenadiers and a copy of desperate measures are included. Another mini rulebook is also nice
That makes it worth it. I'd still end up eBaying a bunch of those Panthers if it were me, though. Or painting them in silly schemes for TANKS.

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>>49382368
>>49382907
I can read some Chinese (which written Japanese uses a lot of, i.e. kanji) and I can see "final chapter; make a decision" (or make up one's mind, and it could be any tense).

>>49384974
"make/making a decision" might be the trailer's name rather than the show's. But it doesn't sound like a season to me.

>>49383921
no "el"

>>49371507
>I want to run some T-64/T-80s and I have no idea how the list will let me mix and match.
If BF keeps it historical correct you wont be able to mix.

>>49385107
>BF
>Historically correct

Yo, noob painter here

I have a US rifle company from devils charge with the winter uniforms and like the book said I painted them up in us field drab but obviously those big trench coats painted in one colour can easily be improved

What colour would you use to highlight the edges/elbows/folds of the coat (if they are in us field drab)

>>49386325
use a wash. then highlight with the original colour.

i'd use army painter soft tone but many people use GW agrax earthshade. I think GW makes washes in a few colours too. if anyone can confirm, that may be a good choice too

>>49386564
Right, I have had a bit of experience painting with 40k and usually you layered differet colours with washes for highlights

Re using the original colour over the wash to highlight somehow went right over my head

>>49386638
at 15mm its not really necessary but you could highlight with the original colour and then another lighter highlight. It looks good objectively but a little too cartoonish for my taste

>>49386663
That's just it, at 15mm especially the infantry you are not going to be looking all that close at the models when they are on a table

The tanks though on the other hand need more attention

>>49386859
a good base can distract from an average paint job too

The thing to remember with infantry at this scale is that they're tiny, and that typically you'll be looking at them from a few feet away.

As such you are looking to maximize results while minimizing effort.

The small scale and far away viewing distance will cover a multitude of painting mistakes.

>>49384985
>no el

>has not seen Inglorious Basterds

>>49390041
So why do they have 20lbs of wool shoved under their uniforms?

>>49390453
Preparing for the cold war.

Is there an army builder for Team Yankee lists?

>>49392075
FoW Blogspot has it for just the basic American and Soviet armor and mech lists. The Best Germans and Afghantsy are not on there yet.

>>49392075
Only one for the initial TY lists in the rule book, and that on:

http://fowlists.blogspot.co.za/2016/07/team-yankee_29.html

>>49392302
>http://fowlists.blogspot.co.za/2016/07/team-yankee_29.html
>>49392370
Alright, thanks

>T-72 costs 5 points
...I'm going to assume I shouldn't build at the normal 1500pts then?

>>49392497
100 points is the default for TY.

>>49392551
My FLGS is having a tournament hosted by BF in October, and the points for that is supposed to be 80.

>>49392603
Would this be the Iron Maiden Game Day on the 8th, by any chance?

>>49393246
Yes it would indeed.

>>49392497
>1500 points of Team Yankee
Jesus fucking christ, that's basically a full division...

>>49392497
>1500 points for TY
>300 T-72 list
>ypa!!!!!

Yeah, they've simplified the points a bit. 100 points is a standard list. I quite like it at least for the Cold War era. WWII has too many options to have that kind of point system.

>>49384890

Brilliant!! I am going to swing by the FLGS tomorrow. Just flew back to the states from Ireland and I am too jetlagged to do it today. Apparantly there is a sale on historicals this weekend.

Any scans of Iron Maiden yet? My LGS got a preview copy in.

Is there a reason to take Locusts or Tetrarchs? Neither of them seem very useful, and they're generally not even recce like Stuarts are.

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>>49393898
They are pretty adorable though.

>>49393847
Give us some time. We need to get our hands on some peview copies as well.

Once we do, it'll probably still be a few days to secretly scan the book.

>>49393898
>>49394160

What lists can even bring them? Market Garden or Remagen?

>>49394403
You can get them as support for British airbrone lists in Overlord (Tetrarch) or Nachtjager (Locust). Probably some other contexts, but those are the two I'm interested in.

>>49394403
Nachtjager (means Night Hunter) DLC and Overlord get the Locust and Tetrarch respectively.

>>49393898
They're usually an active detriment by being in the same slot as actual armour, at that. They're historically accurate but that's about it.

>>49394781
>>49393898
You're not taking Tetrachs because they're effective. You're taking them because they're historically accurate and neat.

Or because you wanted armour and you had like no points left.

The airborne tanks are one of those places where competitive and "fluffy" flames contradict; paratroopers would have, in reality, been very weakly supported with armour. It's why the beutepanzers should have some actual utility against those essentially all-infantry para lists. But in practise of course they're all supported by at least one fearless veteran cromwell platoon.

Tried my hand at a TY List, looking for feedback.

T-72 Tank Battalion HQ (p.89) - 1x T-72 (5 pts)

T-72 Tank Company (p.90) - 5x T-72 (22 pts)

T-72 Tank Company (p.90) - 5x T-72 (22 pts)

BMP-2 Motor Rifle Company (p.94) - 10x AK-74 with RPG-18, 9x RPG-7, 2x PKM LMG, 12x BMP-2 (24 pts)
- 1x SA-14 Gremlin AA missile, 1x BMP-2 (2 pts)

BMP-2 Recon Platoon (p.94) - 4x BMP-2 (6 pts)

ZSU-23-4 Shilka AA Platoon (p.91) - 4x ZSU-23-4 Shilka (4 pts)

SA-13 Gopher SAM Platoon (p.81) - 4x SA-13 Gopher (4 pts)

2S1 Carnation SP Howitzer Battery (p.95) - 6x 2S1 Carnation (10 pts)

99 Points, 0 Platoons

Right now my main concerns are that it seems a bit light of infantry, and I also don't quite have the number of T-72s I would need to deal with NATO armor. I might have overspent on AA assets, but at least I know my enemies probably won't get any use out of their planes.

>>49394998
Market Garden paras/airborne, at least, can't generally get anything more heavily armored than a jeep. Polish ones are the exception, being able to take Guards or 11th armored Shermans in support, but they lose British Bulldog and can't get the nice infantry/gun support options the other paras get (no 6pdrs, glider pilots, or Medium Artillery Support backed Light Batteries). Pretty much just as much armor support (ie: none) as they historically had.
Overlord ones have the one platoon of Tetrarchs (ha), independent armor Shermans, or the Seaborne Cromwells, and maybe a marine support platoon with the Centaurs and command Sherman. They do tend to have more armor support than they historically had.
For the Nachtjager lists you see them with up to two Churchill Platoons, but they actually did work that closely together for Varsity and Plunder. As with MG, about as much armor support as they historically had.

>>49394865
>>49394781
They can be useful for dealing with enemy infantry platoons without a lot of integrated AT, particularly those with enough (H)MGs to pin your paras in defensive fire even after pinning and smoke. Never underestimate bulletproof FV tanks in an assault role, especially if they've got British Bulldog. They're also useful for quickly redeploying and grabbing an objective. But most of the time they're pretty suboptimal, yeah. Flak shreds them, as do .50s, platoons with more than one integrated AT weapon, and any actual tank (including things like Stuarts).

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How this little cutie has an insane amount of dakka and is still travel so many inches is beyond me, I would take these over the cheaper pointed shermans any day

>>49395274
Looks pretty solid to me. The only thing I'd change is I'd probably add some air and more tanks. Russian infantry in the game right now pretty much exist to either assault or to be assaulted. They play a much smaller role in the game than they do in Flames.

>>49395612
Which cheaper pointed Shermans? They're the same points (on the dot) as bare bones M4A1 Shermans (trading 2 front and 2 side armor for Light Tank). And yes, they're pretty fucking good, though much more limited in availability than shermans.

Also, anyone care to provide a "scan" for Battle of the Bulge/Ardennes Offensive, for those of us without an iPad or similar?

>>49395612
Yeah, as a brit with Cromwells I kinda envy the Chaffee. Sure, I have more front and side armor, but Stabilizers, an extra .50cal AA MG, and being cheaper are nice. Probably a good bit of "grass is always greener", though I would trade SIDF for Stabs on the cromwell in a heartbeat.

>>49390453
No the American is actually that fat.

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>>493995466

But that was before we fully fell under the spell of the evil arches and sody pops

anyone got any experience playing Romania?

Having fuck off huge hordes of infantry and guns that can dig in and use the french trench warfare rule sounds fucking deadly for defence missions.
which lw books cover romania though?

>>49401759
Red Bear Revised. Their big thing is that they can out Soviet the Soviets in terms of massive fuck off infantry deployments. Also you can choose between either German or Soviet support. If you pick Soviet you can get Quantity of Quality and decent training possibly.

>>49401784

>decent training possibly

This. Nothing is better than rolling CV on a 20+ stand infantry company.

Also, Resita 75mm AT guns are awesome, take as many as you can.

For all the Anons out there in the snow...

http://www.mediafire.com/download/oofsn55o2n9m0aq/Bulge_Compilation.rar

>>49401892
Thanks, mate. You're awesome

>>49401784
>>49401854

this sounds amazing. i hate painting infantry but this may be worth it.

>>49401892
Thanks for the hook up mate.

Thought, why does the Churchill VII upgrade for the British Tank Companies not have a Jumbos Lead the Way style rule? There's not that much visual difference between the VII and the III in the fog of war.

Also resumption of American favouritism, in that their looted gun artillery platoon can somehow fire a Time on Target bombardment despite being fished out of a dumping ground recently. Someone explain this to me.

>>49402115
> Thought, why does the Churchill VII upgrade for the British Tank Companies not have a Jumbos Lead the Way style rule? There's not that much visual difference between the VII and the III in the fog of war.
Because the Churchill isn't American.

>>49402115
>their looted gun artillery platoon can somehow fire a Time on Target bombardment despite being fished out of a dumping ground recently. Someone explain this to me.

Because Battlefront is retarded and can't into copy&paste (they couldn't in Devil's Charge)

>>49402115
It's not American made, Virus. It's not imbued with the magical properties of freedom and patriotism.

>>49401892
Sweet.

I'll get that uploaded to our database soon.

>>49402115
I was going to say "Can you imagine a tank company where every platoon has an ablative Churchill VII?", but then I realised this is almost literally just an uparmoured sherman platoon with a jumbo.

>>49402599
And with less actual anti-tank punch. Or insane synergies.

>>49397218
so maybe something like this?

T-72 Tank Battalion HQ (p.89) - 1x T-72 (5 pts)

T-72 Tank Company (p.90) - 6x T-72 (27 pts)

T-72 Tank Company (p.90) - 6x T-72 (27 pts)

BMP-2 Motor Rifle Company (p.94) - 7x AK-74 with RPG-18, 6x RPG-7, 2x PKM LMG, 9x BMP-2 (18 pts)
- 1x SA-14 Gremlin AA missile, 1x BMP-2 (2 pts)

BMP-2 Recon Platoon (p.94) - 4x BMP-2 (6 pts)

ZSU-23-4 Shilka AA Platoon (p.91) - 2x ZSU-23-4 Shilka (2 pts)

SA-13 Gopher SAM Platoon (p.81) - 2x SA-13 Gopher (2 pts)

2S1 Carnation SP Howitzer Battery (p.95) - 3x 2S1 Carnation (5 pts)

MI-24 Hind Assault Helicopter Company (p.97) - 2x MI-24 Hind (5 pts)

99 Points, 0 Platoons

>>49401892
The desert rats recce patrol, for if you need your command team gun-tankable.

>>49402115
>in that their looted gun artillery platoon
Nearly 100% irrelevant. That's a doctrinal and organisational thing, not a gear thing. Most of the guns firing the ToT aren't the ones from the platoon in question.
>not have a Jumbos Lead the Way style rule?
Because they're not squishy tanks being lead by a very tough tank, with a doctrine that strongly emphasised leading with the Jumbo? Platoon sizes are also important here.

Previously, hit allocation rules meant that the Jumbo would be functionally useless most of the time, given that it would only be allocated hits if the platoon was hit 4 or 5 times. The Churchhills are tougher, and in far smaller platoons, so the VII is always going to see a decent number of hits repelled.

>>49403846
Yeah, nah, it's still dumb as fuck. Because as-is, this results in you having a tank that can't be gun tanked but simultaneously absolutely nobody shoots at it before shooting at the other two because somehow they magically know it's more heavily armored. Oh, and the blatant American favoritism, but we all know that's standard. At the very least give some sort of reverse gun tank rule to let the brit try and force the hit onto the VII.

Someone break down the Push To The Meuse rule for me.

The way I'm reading it, you always attack if your company contains any aufklarungs at all, and needs at least one aufklarung to unlock spearhead moves (which aufklarungs get), and if it's 2, 9 or 116 panzerdivision the panthers can also spearhead, if it's panzer lehr all tanks spearhead. However, if there's no aufklarungs in the list, the panzerkompanie would not always-attack and wouldn't get any spearhead moves.

Do I have it right?

>>49404006
Would be quite nice to have as a general rule in V4. Roll 5+ for each hit, if you wish (a skill check would be too good for veterans, I think), and if you succeed, you get to move a hit to another tank. Still can't double up on hits unless all tanks are hit, but you can move it to a heavier tank.

>>49404088
>Do I have it right?
Almost, Lehr only gets to spearhead with their Panzer IV (since that's their only choice in "Panzer Platoons")

>>49401892
Anyone else having trouble getting the page to load?

>>49404252
Are you sure? The rule says "A Panzer Lehr Division company may also use the Spearhead
Deployment rule for", with emphasis on the "Also", since Lehr can also take Panthers. It reads like Lehr get to spearhead both panthers and panzers, not that they can only spearhead panzers.

>>49404283
Do note that the Panthers are not in "Panzer Platoon", they're in "Panther Platoon". Sneaky little thing, but something that's been used before.

>>49404320
Yeah, I get that, but the full text is:

"A 2. Panzerdivision, 9. Panzerdivision, 116. Panzerdivision company may also use the Spearhead Deployment rule for its Company Command and 2iC Command Panther tanks and Panther Platoons.
A Panzer Lehr Division company may also use the Spearhead Deployment rule for its Company Command and 2iC Command Panzer IV J tanks, and Panzer Platoons."

Surely if the Panzer IVs spearhead in place of Panthers, that would read
"A Panzer Lehr Division company may *instead* use the Spearhead Deployment rule for its Company Command and 2iC Command Panzer IV J tanks, and Panzer Platoons." ?

>>49404377
Basically the way it's written looks like an escalating list of advantages; Auflakrungs can spearhead, if you're 2. Panzer and co your panthers can spearhead as well, and if you're lehr your aufklarungs, panthers, and panzer IVs can spearhead. It doesn't read like it means "in lieu of".

>>49404377
Ah, now I see the problem. Problem is, there is nothing that says that Lehr can Spearhead with Panthers directly. The rule about spearhead is in a separate paragraph for 2nd, 9th and 116th as compared to Lehr. If all of them could spearhead with panthers, surely they would have stated it more directly (such as "Panzer Lehr can make spearhead move with all of their Panzer and Panther platoons, and all tank command teams"). Basing your reading on an "also" referring to the previous paragraph (which does in no way mention Lehr), and not the one that makes more sense (the aufklärings paragraph).

Though I admit, it could be better written (nothing new when dealing with Battlefront, sadly).

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Soviet TANKS are finally in stock!

So, on to priming and painting… just how different is Soviet green from American olive drab? I don't have an airbrush so I'm considering buying a rattle can but it seems excessive for four models.

>>49404470
Yeah, I feel like the wording could be tidied up with an "May instead" or "May additionally", to indicate if the preceding paragraph is intended to be excluded or included. It's pretty obvious that the 2. Panzer "may also" refers to the aufklarung rule, but does the Lehr one refer to the 2. Panzer rule (which has included the Aufklarung one) or the aufklarung one directly? I think that's ambiguous as-written.

>>49404504
>just how different is Soviet green from American olive drab
Very. OD is more brown than green, while Soviet Green is indeed green.

>>49404524
>I think that's ambiguous as-written.
I think it's not quite that ambiguous (though it does deserve a LFTF) as long as you remember that the rules writers really could do with some training in legalese, and remembering that not everyone has the same Rules as Intended (the spearhead is "obviously" because of which company was kampfgruppe'd with the aufklärungs).

>>49404470
What? Just follow the sentence organically. If you take aufklarungs, they spearhead. If you're 2, 9 and 116 pzdv, you can spearhead aufklarungs and panther COs and platoons. If you're lehr, you can spearhead aufklarungs, panthers, and panzer IVs. Every paragraph modifies the one before it, and the paragraph the lehr entry is modifying is modifying a paragraph that's added panthers.

>>49402861
It's pretty good. The risk with running twos with TY is that if you kill one the other might run, but with Soviet morale and the amount of platoons you have, I wouldn't worry. It's always good to have a little bit of air assets just to keep the enemy guessing and to have an extremely mobile reserve.

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