/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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>>49280249
So, boys, let's try being less /d/ this time. How are your models looking? Any games coming up? Thinking about starting a second army, or adding something new to your current one?

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The anon who's painting his Mechanicum in these colors. Have you made any progress?

>>49280299
I'm considering selling off my Alpha Legion, as I don't really have the drive to work on or complete them, but I've been powering through painting Word Bearers. I'm the cultist spammer from the last thread.

>>49280299
I have a stupid list for my Alpha legion, containing all the stupid units I want in order to try out dumb strategies, and I can't begin to start another HH army till I'm done with that.

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Do daemons count as Fellow Warriors, Battle Brothers, Distrusted Allies or By The Emperor's Command? Can't find anything on the matter, except that if using the Dark Brethren RoW in your primary detachment, they're Battle Brothers. If you're not using the RoW or it's not in your primary detachment, there's no info that I can find regarding what level of ally daemons count as.

>>49280353
Nobody knows, anon! Better ask FW on that one.

Is the new legion army list in the copypasta at the top of the thread?

Anyone have experience with Knight Errants? Malcador's chosen, not the mechs.

Final time asking, I promise.

>>49280421
Sorry, anon. I can't even find another 30k player, never mind a Knight Errant user.

>>49280353
email forgeworld, if you're with friends just home rule them as allies. and if with others ask the store owner

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>All the primarchs are teenage girls.
>Be dating Lorgarina.
>End up fucking Gullimina in teacher's lounge while the Empress is watching
>Lorgarina walks in.

And such, the fall of the Word Bearers started.

fuck alpha Legion, i've tried writing an infantry heavy list for months, cant be done

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>>49280066
I believe that, Slaanesh. Though, >>49280013 sounds pretty true as well, with Fem Magnus watching to try and learn about sex and getting turned on by it.

>>49280299
>try to be less /d/
Aww, but it's fun! 'Tis why I am a Child of the Emperor, after all. :^)

>>49280487
fucking weirdo

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>>49280487
HOTPOCKETS, A MOMENT OF LAXITY SPAWNS A THREADFULL OF HERESY

>>49280496
Stop responding to my old com-- I mean, quiet with you!

>>49280509
Y'know, I still can't find a good pdf of Sixteen Hours. The last time one was posted it was a really bad handtyped looking one, with obvious spelling and grammar errors everywhere.

>>49280299
Building a Glaive at the moment but problem is my Night Lords are all tooled up for orbital/drop assaults with fliers and fast shit so it won't fit in the army at all. So question is what do I do with it once its done? what other legion would it fit into or should I put it aside for possible thousand sons soon?

>>49280487
>tfw can't find the pic of Femperor
It's a nice pic too.

>>49280544
Almost every loyalist legion wouldnt look too weird with a glaive except maybe RG and WS. On traitors SoH, EC, WB would be right, maybe IW and DG as well, but those two would be more likely to use a typhon or baneblade.

I'm still not sure if I should add graviton gun-multi melta landspeeders (because they look cool) and graviton cannon rapiers (because they look cool) to my Alpha Legion.

Downing all the spammed vehicles is a struggle but so far it appears that what I already have for anti-vehicle can (just about) manage it, so I'm worried it would be overkill in that department.

>>49280490
Get more terrain, don't fight on bowling greens and car parks

>>49280380
Help kind anons, it's kinda getting old having to write lists with some shorthand notes on the changes

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>>49280593
Would /ss/ Emperor do?

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>>49280630
This always gets me. Why don't LGS's get more line of sight blocking terrain in their stores?

>>49280695
Not that one, anon. I'm talking about cute/sexy Femperor.

>>49280718
Costs them money and prolongs the games.

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>>49280695
>>49280730
I think this has gone on long enough.

>>49280718
I make a point of collecting LOS terrain for my tables at home and my local club does mostly as well. Whats the point of putting down terrain if it does nothing to the gameplay! So many events does this as well and it saddens me.

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>>49280718
>B-but then how am I going to bring P-predators as troops, anon-kun!

Do we have a higher quality scan of the Taghmata red book?

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>>49280695
ENOUGH

>>49280835
one weapon, power of the machine spirit, no sponsens, final destination.

>>49280718
Damn I'd love to play that field. All anyone wants to play is flat surface where I'm at. My SoH and IF demand it, tired of bringing fortifications with me.

>>49280891
Kek.

>>49280789
>>49280927
I'm thinking of buying infinity terrain just to carry around with me to play 40k on.

Were there Terran Justaerin?

While we're on the Sons of Horus, could there be Terran "true sons" too?

anyone got the vanilla legion list, as the ones in the OP are out of date

>>49281050
Just the fancy physical one.

>>49281006
Don't see why not; their leader before Kibre was called Janipur which is an Indian sounding name
>>49281049
Sure; it has to do with geneseed; not Cthonia

>>49281108
?
if you do have it (most recent one with the cortus eg) could you scan it please
I raise you the latest white dwarf

>>49281166
I would if I had a scanner. Sorry, anon.

>>49281050
I have a PDF and EPUB of it, but don't know where to upload it to so others can get it

>>49281201
don't worry
>>49281204
upload it to mega or googledrives, or just attach the pdf file to a 4chan post, although there might be a size limit for pdfs like there is for web.ms

>>49281262
Others can get it from google drive ? Alright, here it goes

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx9WY96T_EWDdUF5WGNKZXdFU28/view?usp=sharing

>>49281317
thanks for the effort but I meant the legion book as in the one that lists units that all legions can take, not their unique units

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>>49280844
>You'll never make sweet tender love to Morticia after a fun date at the arcade.
>You'll never have her lovingly stroke your chest while she lights a cigarette.

>You'll never find her on the ground broken and crying after being bullied by her sisters

>>49281050
>>49281372
>>49281317
crusade army list would be a better description

the only legion specific things in the book is Rites of War at the end

>>49281372
Whoops, my error. Selected the wrong file. Take two ! (I've never done this before. Don't take that out of context ! Bad Anons, bad !)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx9WY96T_EWDYUVBck8xeU1aYUU/view?usp=sharing

>>49281407
>>lights a cigarette
DROPPED

>>49281372
Here.

http://www.mediafire.com/?f0c2pnieoijyrqk

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>>49281494
>Not believing in fixer-upper primfus

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>>49280436
i,m sorry anon

>>49281490
thank you man
Your kindness would make scanon proud

>>49281638
It's a bad feel. I have a pretty decent understanding of list making, but actually play testing my lists would help me find any glaring flaws they may have.

Dark Compliance Army, Word Bearers – 3000 Points

Provenances: Feral Warriors, Tainted Flesh – 70 Points

HQ: Legion Praetor, Master-Crafted Paragon Blade – 140 Points
Legion Chaplain – 85 Points
Force Commander, Power Armour – 60 Points
Elites: Gal Vorbak, 10X Brethren, 3X Power Mauls, Artificer Armour – 390 Points
Legion Contemptor Mortis, 2X Kheres – 180 Points
Legion Veteran Squad, 10X Vets, 2X Heavy Bolters – 200 Points
Legion Terminators, 5X Cataphractii, 5X Power Axes, Reaper Autocannon – 215 Points

Troops: Levy Squad, 50X Auxiliaries – 90 Points
Levy Squad, 50X Auxiliaries – 90 Points
Legion Tactical Squad, 10X Marines, Rhino – 160 Points
Militia Infantry Squad, 20X Auxiliaries – 50 Points
Militia Infantry Squad, 20X Auxiliaries – 50 Points

Fast Attack: Auxilia Thunderbolt – 200 Points
Auxilia Thunderbolt – 200 Points
Legion Seeker Squad, 5X Seekers, 5X Combi-Bolters – 205 Points

Heavy Support: Mutant Spawn, 5X Spawn – 135 Points
Legion Medusa, 2X Medusae – 310 Points
Auxilia Rapier Battery, 3X Rapiers, 3X LDA – 150 Points


This is my current list. I'm still putting the army together. The cultists are all quite literally meatshields that'll pack a small punch. Still, goal is to get them between myself and the enemy. It's not a perfect list, but it's fluffy. Still, glaring flaws can be fixed if tested.

>>49280927
What sort of fortifications do you have?

That goes out to all of hhg

>>49281407
Mort's a big skeletal ninja (he's specifically noted as looking like the grim reaper), is Mortica all dfc and skinny or is she adorably chubby ?

>>49281836
>Mort's a big skeletal ninja (he's specifically noted as looking like the grim reaper), is Mortica all dfc and skinny or is she adorably chubby ?

To be honest, I imagine a female version of Mortarion to be a lot like a grimmer version of Morticia Adams.

>>49281756
I realize I was right initially. Those levy squads are 100 points each, leaving me at a flat 3k.

>>49281756
Where do the spawn come from, daemon allies or what

>>49281999
Tainted flesh provenance.

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>tfw find out that you can't take Chimeras or Devil Dogs in the Militia army list
>Or valkyries
Sigh.

>>49282122
As it should be. Cannon fodder doesn't deserve a ride, walk those plebs !

>>49282179
Why so mean, anon?

>Leman Russes can't have Multimelta sponsons
For what reason?

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>>49282179
Sorry, can't hear you over my 6 lascannon super-heavy dedicated transport.

>>49282122
Yeah, the lack of chimeras surprised me a little, though I guess they want to differentiate even more between the Militia and the Guard

Banewolf best hellhound variant

>>49282338
They could have done that distinction with Rhinos and Land Raiders, but I know, this ain't ya pappy's HH, this is New and Improved HH(tm), now with Lime*. People are so used to the 40k aesthetics that playing 30k Army that has Marine vehicles will feel weird and frightening, and we can't confuse the customers or they won't buy stuff.

*Product does not actually contain lime. Consult your doctor before consumption.

>>49282447
Survivors of the Dark Age provenance makes Rhinos and Land Raiders an option.

>>49282600
And force you to take power armoured dudes. Must have 3+ save to ride, I suppose.

>>49282630

>Must be this tall to ride

>>49282630
True enough. What should the PA-d dudes be represented with without resorting to 40k range?
Even militia in general?
Could anyone here point me to some alternative miniatures producers?
I'm familiar only with GW and Perry brothers.

I am trying to figure out what vehicles and dreads to buy for my DG army. At the bottom will be a list of models if that helps in decided if certain units are good for me to get.

Are spartans still worth it with thier points increase or is something else now a better option?

Are the LR Achilles or LR alpha Achilles good?

Which is better lightning or xiphon?

What is the best unit to back in an explorator proteus? I was thinking a heavy flamer squad maybe.

Is a dread heavy list worthwhile with DG? It is fluffy but I am not sure it will be any good.

How good is the derdeo and what are its best weapons options?

New to 30k and just trying to figure stuff out. Here is a list of models I have so far. LMK what you think I need for support/transport ect.

mortarion
10 grave warden
10 deathshroud
10x lascannon marines
Leviathan Dreadnought (phosphex discharger, heavy flamers 1 drill 1 claw)
9x Space Marine Rapier Quad Mortar
Space Marine Apothecary Set
10x Cataphracti Terminators Came with calych sets, lan to make them spam plasma
2x Calth box Praetor
2x calth box chaplain as artificer praetors
calth box contemptor 2 kheres
calth box contemptor 2 fist in built graviton gun
10x autocannon marines
10x heavy flamer marines
38x marines with boltor, pistol, cc weapon
4x sergeant
6 flamer
6 melta
6 plasma

Anybody got a link to the Praetorian of Dorn ebook? Lost my Kindle in an airport like a tool.

>>49282718
>only with GW and Perry brothers
Still kind of amusing that the diversity in the IG range is basically because the Perrys wanted to make historicals

>>49282771
>Are the LR Achilles or LR alpha Achilles good?
Whether they're good or not they're tough as hell and you can give the Achilles' mortar Phospex, which is about as Death Guard as you can get

Though termies are bulky, so maybe use it as a chem flamer support/heavy squad waggon

>>49282819
And their love for historical made one of them almost lose a hand when loading a cannon.

>>49282930
>almost lose a hand
He actually lost his hand.
He just learned to sculpt with the other one like a boss.

They were also corpses in one of the LotR movies, 3rd one I think.
Which is cool, seeing as they sculpted most of that range

>>49282981
And then sculpted peter jacksons private Anzac collection
How much ficking money did he have afterwards I wonder

>>49282819
It gave them character. No longer were they just generic future troops with jumpsuits, helmets and shades.

Silonius Lives

>>49283190
Yeah but the one half that counts is dead

Bitter here, wharr do I get razorwire stuff? I can take sprues and make into tank traps, and have some barricades I can use, but what do I do for my barbed wire?

>>49283253

Such a lust for revenge...

WHO?

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Suppose an Astartes in standard-issue power armor attempted to block a melee attack by a Primarchs in fluff. What would the logical effects on his arms be? Would his arms come out of it intact or would he end up as the subject of a Douglas Adams parody image?

>>49283283
Good question mate. FW sells stuff, but meh. Most of the ideas I have would end up with them being pretty sharp too, so that's also a problem.

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>>49280496
>mfw someone uses my image

>>49283283
take two pieces of thin wire and wrap one around the other.

>>49283311

10/10 image.

>>49283319
But Curzefag-chan, I've been using your image for quite some time now.

I think I'm the only one to use it, actually.

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>>49280630
I made some myself, a bit shit tho :/

>>49283311
They would buckle and not block the blow. 99.99% of the time they wouldn't see it coming.

>>49283311
Both Perturabo and Ferrus would break their arms. After all, they both have AP2 fists.

>>49283334
Well, at least someone cares... r-right?...

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>>49283283
>but what do I do for my barbed wire?

You making tanglewire or what? I've made some as mines and for my DG I'm making them out of gas, because they're all about that propane and propane accessories.

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>>49283283
Fuzzy pipe cleaners. Perfect for brightening up those dreary trenches.

>>49283319
Didn't they use your images already?

>>49283311
Power armor and arms inside of it would crack/buckle and provide no resistance whatsoever. Corax once palmed a grenade, punched the hand into an Iron Warrior's chest, and just let it go off. The chest is the thickest part of the power armor.

Granted, then he had to shake his hand a bit because his fingers were numb, but still. Shit is ridiculous.

Curze once backhanded corswain and pulped half his face and an arm.

The Lion punched Nemiel's head off.

There are a lot of Canon instances of weaponless Primarchs just flat-out ignoring power armor when they hit it.

>>49283535
With the DG's love for gas you'd wonder how heavily their diet features tacos

>>49283622
Still feels good

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>>49283666
If you get gasses from eating tacos then you aren't a true DG. I'll eat yet moar tacos just to spite you.

>>49283666
They're probably just lactose intolerant and drink plenty of milk.

>>49283666
>Tacos
Too easy. They probably eat Indian food instead.

>>49283666
>>49283746
>>49283770
>>49283782
They don't even eat anything one might consider human food. Just poison and piles of filth.

>>49283339
Howd you do the wire?

>>49283535
Basically? They're for my magica- daemon fortress.

>>49283850
Get bases like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111765391761?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Put CSM vehicle kit spikes and crap on them. Paint as if the earth itself is becoming corrupt, oozing warp energies and spawning spikes and warpfire.

Hey I'm working on a fluffy Imperial Fists list. Is it any good? Shit? What else should I take?

2,239 / 3000

HQ (1)

(170 pts)
Legion Praetor
>Archaeotech Pistol
>Paragon Blade
>Iron Halo

Elites (2)

(284 pts)
Legion Terminator Squad
>Iliastus Assault Cannon
>1x Power Fist
>2x Vigil Pattern Storm Shields
>2x Thunder Hammers
>2x Volkite Chargers
>2x Lightning Claws
>Teleportation Transponder

(160 pts)
Legion Mortis Dreadnought
>2 TL Missile Launchers
>Havoc Launcher

Troops (2)

(225 pts)
Legion Tactical Squad
>Legion Vexilla
>10x Combat Blades
>Power Weapon
>Artificer Armour
Rhino Transport

(460 pts)
Legion Breacher Siege Squad
>Legion Vexilla
>Power Fist
>Breaching Charge
>Artificer Armour
Land Raider Proteus

Heavy Support (1)

(265 pts)
Legion Heavy Support Squad
>5x Lascannons
>Hardened Armour
>Augury Scanner

(370 pts)
Legion Vindicator Squadron
1x Vindicator
>Laser Destroyer Array
>Auxiliary Drive
>Armoured Ceramite
>Machine Spirit
>Dozer Blade
1x Vindicator
>Auxiliary Drive
>Armoured Ceramite
>Machine Spirit
>Dozer Blade

(305 pts)
Legion Caestus Assault Ram

>>49283939
>Imperial Fists
>Shit
Sounds about right

>>49283939
The Praetor would do better with a plasma gun, and the Terminator squad doesn't know what it wants to do. And the things you'd want Hardened Armour for are AP3 anyway, and it's not like your HS squad should be in the open.

Maybe with the saved points you could equip the Praetor better, like giving him Digital weapons.

>>49284143
I was planning on kitting out the Terminators for shooting. But I also wanted the Shields for more durability but the shields replace their ranged weapon.

>>49280487

There's a thread just for you. Please vacate this one and go there please.

>>49264304

>>49284075
Omegon spotted.

>>49284164
>I was planning on kitting out the Terminators for shooting
Then give them combi weapons and the assault canon.
Also Knight Anon I see you

>>49284204
Nah, not him. I actually have an easy time painting yellow.

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>>49284226
The Breacher and Caestus triggered a false positive, sorry to bother you, Omegon

>>49284183
>>49284259

He's not Omegon, I'm Omegon.

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>>49284510
Big talk for someone who isn't Omegon, Omegon.

>>49284530
Nice try, Omegon. You won't fool Omegon that easily.

>>49284530
You can't prove I'm not Omegon, Omegon.

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>>49284620

>>49284075
Who's primarch died to a mere human?

>>49284777

Curze got killed by an Assassin, while Dorn was gangkilled by a ton of Chaos Marines.

>>49280544
Every Legion had heavy assault units, even Raven Guard had super-heavies.

>>49284794
To bad Dorn isn't dead. Vulkan pretty much confirmed that.

>>49284777
A Callidus Assassin is far from a "mere" human.
Besides, at least we didn't fall for the Iron Cage.

>>49284818

Pretty sure the fall of Tsangualsa was basically the Iron Cage for the Night Lords, as all the Ultramarine Successors raped the fuck out of the Night Lords.

>>49284777
>VIIth trips
I guess that answers your question

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>>49284809
Uuuuuuugh, what else will they recton now? Next thing you know The Emperor's Text to Speech Device is canon and Dorn was hiding in a Centurion suit.

>>49283339
>a bit shit

Nah. Not sure why the roof's not symmetrical and the wire seems a bit misplaced, but other than nitpicks, job's a good 'un m8. Post moar.

>>49284871
Most of the loyalist primarchs can't die, they are building up to an end times equivalent where the Emperor is ressurected in some manner, the loyalist primarchs presumed dead/are dead turn out to be fully fledged warped entities that someone reform In the corporeal realm. The emperor rips the souls of all the loyalist astartes from chaos and wages an eternal war against chaos in earnest.

>>49284777
>he missed the point where Curze closed his own circle of punishment by letting himself die

>>49284871
thats the whole of it I'm afraid.

Don't be surprised when the imperium loses the great struggle and Akin to Warhammer fantasy transitioning into age of signal, expect Warhammer 40k to become Age of the Emperor.

Lol. Ah ha. Ah ha. Ha.

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>>49285085
So, Curze actually won Divine Cybermancy?

>>49282869
The LR wants to be far back with its mortar but those units want to be close. Seems like an odd box for a transport. Not too sure but phosphex is love so seems fun. Thanks.

>>49282771
Any other input? Would like some people who have more games of 30k to give this an eye.

>>49283939
At 3000 points you need like at least three, pref four troops.

>>49284809
"I'll tell Dorn ya did good when i see him in hell"

>>49285703
Would two 20 man Tactical squads and one 10 man Breacher suffice?

>>49286084
Three 20 man tacs are the least bitter we can do. More's even bitter, so that's better. Nothing like having 60 MkII or MkIII Iron Warriors on the table, alongside a good amount of Cataphractii for that Great Crusade feel.

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>>49286121
>Iron Warriors

>>49284871
Before you know it, it will turn out that Ferrus beheaded Fulgrim on Istvann V and Sanginius actually wasn't dead after all, just banished to the warp. And that only the Sons of Horus and Word Bearers where the traitor legions, all others just didn't excist like II and XVIII.

And the Emperor wasn't dieing, he just took a 10k year shit. Chaotic constapation or something.

>>49286161
Anon srsly stop it, I just had dinner and I'd like it to remain in my stomach.
>>49286147
This is the /IWG/, the Iron Warriors General. I thought you knew that.

>>49286147
Anon, /hhg/ is Iron Warriors general, with Fem Perturabo being our collective waifu.

SHE'S MINE!

>>49286121
What is bitter? I see it thrown around here alot.

>>49286285

>TFW no art at all of Petra

>>49286314
Anon, the joke is that everyone is an Iron Warriors player. At least it feels that way.

>>49286320
>feelsbadman.jpg

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>>49286285
>>49286320

Each day we walk further into The Eye. I hope you're happy, CQueen anonnette.

>>49286413
I bet she was an agent of Slaanesh, sent by Fulgrim as revenge for our denial of his so-called, 'gifts'!

>>49286413

The /HHG/ will have gone off the deep end of insanity well before Inferno comes out. And even then there's zero guarantee we'll ever see it. I expect the scanbegging to be worse than the current deviant shit.

>>49286413
>Each day we walk further into The Eye
Well hopefully we'll get cool powers Argal Tal style?

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>>49286413

>>49286443
And she played us like a damn fiddle!
>>49286484
CQueen sent us to hell, but we're going even deeper...

>>49286513
...so says the Trap?

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>FW won't let you use this in 30k

>>49286413
Literally who?

>>49286826
Don't ask.

>>49286792

Imperial Fist, I'm already a Beep Boop...

>>49286826
>Literally who?
Damnatio memoriae, anon, look it up.

So quick question. I am interested in starting White Scars. I was thinking of running a Chogorian Brotherhood list but I wanted to know if Jump Infantry count as infantry (would they get hit and run but have to start off the board or are jump infantry not actually infantry for the purpose of Rites of War?) I ask because Raven Guards Legion rules act as though they are separate so I am basically just looking for confirmation I am not missing something.

>>49286878

You've only got two options. Loyalty, or Heresy.

>>49286909
In my opinion Jump Infantery =/= Infantery where ROW restrictions are concerned, but there are certain people who are firm believers that that isn't the case because "A Jump unit follows all the rules of its main Unit type" etc.

A Chicken Sandwich is exactly the same as a Sandwich to those people I guess.

>>49287061
The more I think about the Rite the more I think that it doesn't fit the style of army I want to run. I wouldn't really benefit from it much since it wants to force you to go bike heavy and I would prefer a list with more substance. Bikes seem built for MSU tactics in 30k and I would prefer Marine horde.

>>49287061
>A Chicken Sandwich is exactly the same as a Sandwich to those people I guess.
So, a chicken sandwich is actually a pie? It's nothing but a more portable form of chicken that follows the rules of a sandwich, for all I'm concerned.

>>49286878
I learned most of my Latin phrases from New Vegas. So I do happen to know what it means. It also makes me wonder if it could be done today.

>>49287203
The thing is that it also follows the rules of chicken, which means it is not exactly the same as a sandwich, as chicken adds a number of limitations to the sandwich rules.

>>49287433
>as chicken adds a number of limitations to the sandwich rules.
Don't you mean a Sandwich adds a number of freedoms to chicken rules?
Turning things into sandwiches literally increases their portability with almost no drawbacks. You can even add salad to them and eat on the move; a step above regular chicken + salad.

>>49280487
What game is this and is it any good?

>>49287403
pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo

>>49287506
I'd say Sandwich adds certain modifiers to chicken, with some very good advantages and few drawbacks.

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>>49287620
Exactly
>>49287589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TQYeKgbU6M
I don't want to know what Gaius and Aulus do in their free time.

So I asked about assault marines last thread, but I figure I'll ask again. How are they in 30k? I heard they used to be overcosted, but that they got a points reduction?

And what are the best way to use them? in squads of 10 or a 20man with an apothecary? My legion's alpha legion, if that matters.

I figured I'd ask to see if they were garbage or not, since I wanted to know if I should just make 10 for display purposes or 20 for fielding in game, since I'm using calth mk4s as a base.

>>49287061

Its a sub set Anon. All chicken sandwiches are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are chicken sandwiches, just as all Jump Infantry are Infantry but not all Infantry are Jump Infantry.

>>49287807
They are good enough as far as basic troops go, both Drop Assault Vanguard and Angel's wrath make them a nice core to your army. If you're legion isnt boosting their close combat capabilities then its good to add power weapons and the numbers depend on if you're deep striking them or not, not much to say as they are a fairly straightforward unit and it would really depend on the rest of your army.

Why do these threads keep getting worse? Even the other Generals haven't gone this far up the shitter yet.

>>49287589
Ugh, you're so tight, bro.

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>>49288063
Looks like you havent seen the chaosfag crying gene...I mean WH40K general, we havent reached those lows yet.

And why? A mixture of small group of people, probably not getting many games in, no new info and nothing to talk about.

>>49288063
Because you aren't eating your greens, painting your minis and spreading the Imperial Truth.
A compliance a day keeps treachery away.

>>49288063
we got a fucking thunderhawk landing pad this week dude. bring on the dorn/alpharius fanfic.

>>49288063
So far this has been an improvement of the previous thread. Imagine that.

But yeah, no news or rumours to talk about, and people only theorycraft lists in here. Everybody seems very reluctant to share battle stories from their recent games.

>>49280718
Anon whats on that tv screen thing, mid bottom.

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>>49288335
Looks like one of the holo-ads.

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So anons- I posted my list here a couple days ago so I won't post it again (unless you need me to) but I play Word Bearers at 3k, my first game against my friend is happening pretty soon and he's running 3k orbital assault list of Ultras. Any tips? I'm not a very experienced general.

>>49288512

Have Faith, Word Bearer

>>49288512
against drop pod armies in general? make sure to bubble-wrap your valuable units to make sure they aren't easy pickings, rip and tear any heavy weapons that land first before they can start shooting.

>>49288281
I should be playing with my Imperial Fists this week if I actually man up and finish details, decals, and varnishing them. I was supposed to play a game tomorrow but I don't wanna risk smudging the yellow without protection.

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>>49288512
orbital assault smurfs huh, take lots of augury scanners and intercepter toys. Also prepare for them popping up in your lines

>>49288528

I have a mainly CC based army- Ashen Circle, Gal Vorbak, Lorgar and a Spartan, two dakka mortis dreads, a heavy flamer squad, lots of tacs, and some chaplains. Should I try to rush him as soon as he lands?

>>49288543

That picture is what I'm hoping WON'T happen- he's running Guilliman!

>>49288565
In that case, paint some hazard stripes that are slightly disaligned.

If anybody is capable of having an OCD breakdown, it must be Rowboat Girlyman

>>49288554
if you think you have the edge in cc, bum-rush his stuff asap. If you can rip apart his shooty units quick, do so. Chances are he will be coming to you, and the battle will be in your deployment zone. Drop pod armies have a tendency to rely on anything that can move+shoot so they can get thier first turn alpha strike advantage. The other solid knowledge is that only half his army can be on the board turn one, so make sure to kick as much of it off the board as you can as soon as it lands. Perhaps, if you were to put a tantalizing, high- value unit seemingly in the open while the rest of your troops wait to smash whatever lands to kill it.

>>49288628

Sounds like a plan.

General question- do any of you have a good idea of what Lorgar should run for psychics?

>>49284777
Death is nothing compared to vindication.

Another word bearer anon here, I'm debating between Army of Dark Compliance and Sacrificial Offering, any advice on these two?

>>49283939
With the termites you need them to be dedicated to one idea. Either give them all vigil shields, which works great on the table and thunder gamers/power fist. Or give them comvi bolters for the +1bs bonus.

Breachers, while fluffy, only work well if you build your list around them or you're playing ZM. Either way they will shine if you drop points into them, they are to expensive to only have a minimal squad, replace them with vets if that's the case.

>>49282718
Anvil Industries : http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/Regiments-Range-Guide

Victoria Miniatures : http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/

The Anvil Industries Regiments are probably the most varied and flexible, especially for unusual armour configurations on humans, their Exolord range is closer to Space Marines though.
Victoria Miniatures mostly makes alternative conventional IG/AM miniatures.

>>49284777
Seventh legion trips tell the truth

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>>49288705
Sacrificial is fucking hilarious if you rake a ADL with a comms relay for your fortification and hide fearless cultist behind. You will get a huge portion of your legion force turn up turn 2 in the flanks of the opponent and now with melta on rhinos it just got a whole heap more fun.

>>49288813
Thats pretty much what I was thinking of doing. A defense line with Comm relay, some laser destroyer support weapons and some big blobs of militia, supported by 2x20 man tac squads with additional CCW, and erebus, medicae and gal vorbak riding up in a spartan. Maybe a flyer or two

>>49288677
>vindication.
Yeah, being shot by a vindicator hurts.

>>49285320
Eh, there's a reason the LR has amazing armour and has short sponsons - I think it's fair to say you can get right in the enemy's face with it

>>49289122
It was a Callexus assassin.

>>49280335
Do it you fggt.

>>49280544
so you bought a points- and money-expensive unit that does not fit into your army at all?

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>>49289690
nah had it lying around from the remains of 2 other armies I did up and then sold on. I convert and paint up armies and once I am done sell them on after playing with them for a while. It is all about the process not the end product for me. Once I am finished I get keen to start something else.

Got it finished this afternoon, magnatised the side sponsors as well.

>>49289690
To be honest, every legion had the equipment necessary for heavy operations, even something like the Night Lords, their modus operandi was different, but that didn't mean they couldn't do an armoured thrust or siege if needed.

>>49288281
Then why do we need to keep having these threads, which are literally the worst Generals on the board, if there's nothing to talk about. Fucking /AoSg/ is better than us.

>>49289337
Was but a pune, or play on words.

As is the assassin actually, given their name is M'Shen

>>49289746
Huh, how much do you recoup doing that?

Seems like it'd be good if you want to change things up a bit, but means you don't have a big collection of Your Dudes - do you keep any models or units from the armies you've made, as a memento or anything?

>>49281756
I'd throw so many pie plates (including 7") and Phosphex until it knocks your armor off. I doubt your dudes reach my lines. And I don't reach 3k points yet.

>>49289798
I always make my costs back + 10-15% its not a business or anything its just for fun and to try and be creative with my spare time away from work and the missus. Pro tip, hobbies are for fun!

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>>49289846
Sounds good, guess you're a pretty decent painter then

In answer to your original question about it, prime legions for the glaive would be Iron Hands, Alpha Legion, Sons of Horus and Salamanders.

Don't think we really know enough about the Sons to say for sure, but seems like it'd fit okay

>>49286878
>Damnatio memoriae, anon, look it up.
>mentions the person
You're doing it wrong.

>>49288787
Thanks!

make an ok list for infantry heavy alpha legion. dare you

>>49290355
centurion

4 tactical squads with 20 tacs

kheres dorito
lascannon dorito

>>49284630
Is that the VULKAN lives announcement or something

>>49280544
How is the Glaive anyways? Whats its main weapon?

>>49290497
Volkite carronade 48" S8 AP2, ignores cover, heavy beam, deflagrate, haywire.
Heavy beam: 1" wide line from barrel to listed range -> every model in all touched, non-flying/zooming/swooping units get hit, etc.

>>49290688
... and BS4 14/13/12 HP12, two quad las, 2 twin linked heavy bolters, smoke, searchlight

>>49290374
dorito are garbage. foot slogging with no fnp or cover bonuses rules is garbage.

how would you play this list except dying turn 1?

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Mechanicum Ordo Reductor

+HQ+
Magos Prime (230pts)
Abeyant (25pts), Archmagos Prime (35pts), Conversion Beamer (25pts), Mastercraft a single weapon (5pts), Myrmidax (25pts), Phased Plasma-fusil (20pts)

+TROOPS+

Adsecularis Covenant (70pts)
Carapace Armour (20pts), 10x Tech-thralls (30pts), The Rite of Pure Thought (15pts)

Adsecularis Covenant (70pts)
Carapace Armour (20pts), 10x Tech-thralls (30pts), The Rite of Pure Thought (15pts)

Thallax Cohort (275pts)
2x Phased-Plasma Fusil (20pts), 6x Thallax (240pts)

Thallax Cohort (150pts)
3x Heavy Chainblade (15pts), 3x Thallax (120pts)

+FAST ATTACK+

Ursarax Cohort (310pts)
2x Power Fists (20pts), 6x Ursarax (270pts)

+HEAVY SUPPORT+

Krios Battle Tank Squadron (300pts)
Krios (150pts)
Upgrade to Krios Venator Tank Destroyer (25pts)
Krios (150pts)
Upgrade to Krios Venator Tank Destroyer (25pts)

Myrmidon Destructors (370pts)
2x Irradiation Engine (70pts), 2x Myrmidon Destructor (70pts)
Myrmidon Lord (35pts)
Graviton Imploder (35pts)

Triaros Armoured Conveyor (145pts)
Blessed Autosimulacra (5pts), Extra Armour (5pts)

Myrmidon Destructors (225pts)
2x Myrmidon Destructor (70pts), 2x Photo Thruster Cannon (70pts)
Myrmidon Lord (35pts)
Conversion Beamer (35pts)

2000 Points.

Thoughts? Magos would be joining one of the Myrmidon squads. Going for an Auxilia Myrmidon-lead Ryza-themed Reductor list.

>>49288813
As the Word Bearer from earlier in the thread with the Dark Compliance list, this actually sounds better than Dark Compliance. The only thing I'd change is that I'd probably use a Castellum Stronghold. I fucking love that thing.

>>49289815
The difference between your army and mine is that I'm not building for cancer, but for my entertainment.

>>49290786
Why the fusil on the archmagos? its kinda expensive, and at 24 inches, your CB becomes rubbish

You might consider picking up an engenseer/lacrmental techpresist unit: giving the extra FNP to the thralls and reparing your battle tanks can be very useful.

Who tops the legion powerranking pre-istavaaan?

>>49288512

Bring demons DEMONS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGHHHHHH

Gal Vorbak, Tainted dreadnought, the palatine blades and that summoner fag character.

Big squad of cheapies for the sacrifices.

Flood him with shit demons like nurglings and bomb the fuck out of him while he's busy fighting demons.

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Is this fag really Alpharius.

He looks generic as shit with a generic armor

>>49290786
Mechanicum with no automata makes me sick.

Arlatax>>>>>>>>>Ursarax.

Personally I don't see the point in taking reductor unless you're taking the artillery it unlocks.

Worst thing I can say about it is that you have next to no melee defence, those 3 Thallax will evaporate against any melee unit and the Ursarax can't be everywhere. Plus they suck.

>>49291193

Ultramarines based on numbers but maybe not because fagmarines controled a vast space territory.

Maybe Alpha Legion

>>49291193
Luna Wolves.

>>49291252
>>49288512
Fuck with his reserves via LR Proteus w/EAA and such, turns 2-5 his alpha strike will be thinly spread.

New list. Probably went a little overboard on the Cataphractii and the Castellum, but hey, I have fun even when I lose.

Word Bearers, 3000 Points – Sacrificial Offering

HQ: Legion Praetor, Paragon Blade – 125 Points
Legion Chaplain – 85 Points

Elites: Legion Terminators, 10X Cataphractii, 10X Power Axes, 8X Combi-bolters, 1X Reaper Autocannons, Spartan Assault Tank – 645 Points
Gal Vorbak, 10X Brethren, 3X Power Mauls, Artificer Armour, Melta Bomb – 395 Points
Contemptor-Mortis, Kheres Cannons – 180 Points
2X Legion Rapiers, 2X LDA – 110 Points


Troops: Legion Tactical Squad, 10X Marines, Rhino – 160 Points
Legion Tactical Squad, 10X Marines, Rhino – 160 Points
Legion Tactical Squad, 10X Marines, Rhino – 160 Points

Heavy Support: 1X Legion Medusa – 155 Points

Fortification: Castellum Stronghold, 2X Twin-linked Lascannons, Comms Relay – 335 Points

Allies: Cults – 490 Points
Provenances: Abhuman Helots, Cult Horde – 70 Points
HQ: Force Commander – 50 Points

Troops: Grenadier Squad, 18X Grenadiers, 2X Grenadiers w/ Grenade Launchers, 2X Fireburst Grenades, Lasrifles – 150 Points
Inducted Levies, 50X Levies – 100 Points

Elites: Ogryn Brute Squad, 3X Ogryn – 120 Points

>>49291274
Alpharius preferred generic armour (better to hide), his own elaborately styled suit of armour being used only when needed or expedient.

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>>49291359

One would think he'd actually need his fucking Pythian Scales armor for fighting Dorn.....

HoO 2k


Golg

Siege Consul in TDA, CF
Cortus talon (2) with kheres
10 Tactical with ccw & MB

10 Tactical with ccw & MB

10 Tactical with ccw & MB
Leviathan with Melta lance & phosphex

Scorpius

Scorpius

Tyrants (5)

2500 points of Iron Hands Armoured Breakthrough. Because yes, we need this many tanks. I feel like this has a pretty wide threat range (like the Avengers can mulch infantry with 21 AP3 shots or use their Kraken Penetrators to carve open tanks. Tank Hunter Predators and the Sicaran can glance armour to death or mulch infantry.

HQ:
Master of Armour (Sicaran, Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons)
Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth (goes in the Malcador)

Troops:
3x 3 Predators (3x Squadron Command Tank)

Heavy Support:
Malcador (AC, Flare Shield, Demolisher Cannon, Sponsor Lascannons)
3x Legion Laser Vindicators

LoW:
3x Avenger Strike Fighter (Kraken hardpoints).

>>49283535
Those are some nice assets. Where are they from?

>>49283535
>for my DG I'm making them out of gas, because they're all about that methane and methane accessories.

FTFY

>>49291597
Skaven Boneripper's warpfire braziers. I just took the half that has the vapors pouring out of them and put them on biker bases. Each base is about 3" long, so two bases will make the 6" of tanglewire per 5pts. Plan on making total of 4 sets (8 bases) to equip my Wall of Martyrs Defence Line (clean 100pts.) Gives some protection from advancing enemies and since I'm running The Reaping, I can walk through that stuff without a problem.

>"Ohh, what's that smell? ... The sweet phosphex, oh, it sings to me. It's enough to make a man sick."

>>49286824
We've only got PDF and Stormtrooper lists. Maybe wait for the run of the mill Army list before falling into despair?

Is what I tell myself every night while crying into my Solar Macharius bodypillow.

>>49291357
If this is the list you plan to bring against UM Orbital Assault, prepare your dice for anal circumference rolls. Your deathstars will never be able to be in enough places to counter mass drop pods.

>>49283339
There's fuck all wrong with that anon.

>>49291296
they're sons of horus once they meet the interex

>>49289815
Post your list faggit.

>>49290393
That was the Dawn of War III anouncement.

>>49291280
>>49291090

Ok thanks guys I'll play with it a bit more.

>>49291420
why are you taking golg, tyrants are still heavy support (or elites ;) ), if you took just a warsmith or kyr vhalen then you wouldn't need to take the siege braker
Why Scorpius, if you want deleting blasts then a vindicator its only 5 points more for large blast ap 2 to delete deathstars. or swap the 2 for a single havoc squad with missile launchers

Are you using cortuses to get cheap contemptors or do you overcharge their engines to get the bonuses to help in CC. if so drop it to one, give it a drop pod, take chainfist and CCW, 2 gravitons if you can find the cost, and every tank you want to, will die

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>>49291359
Some Primach armour was little more than Artificer armour with an Iron Halo and some extra stuff on it.
Alpharius' Pythian Scales is Artificer amour immune to Poison and Fleshbane.

Hell, Mortarion's Barbaran Plate is run of the mill Artificer + Iron Halo, even though it has a complete weed laboratory protuding from the back. It even melts on top of him once (not like he gives a fuck, though).

Both the SoH (Cataphractii Primus), IF (Eternal Warrior mantle), UM (FnP Artificer) and Salamanders (Eternal Warrior mantle) have better armours than Primarch Mortarion himself.

>>49292679
To be fair it's the armour giving Morty a 4++ rather a high-falutin force field.

>>49291511
FW should standarize it and make the Master of Armour a Consul with MotL, one who would give the tank the Legiones Astartes rule, or at least one equivalent depending on their legion, kinda like Praevians.

Example:

>EC
The Tank becomes Fast, and gains Scout. If it was already Fast, it gains +2" to it movement.

>IW
All of the Tank's armaments gain Wrecker, and rerolls all blast templates.

And such.

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>>49292729
>To be fair it's the armour giving Morty a 4++ rather a high-falutin force field.
I thought the Halo symbol of his legion's Icon represented his Iron Halo.

>>49292485
the list contains a Heavy Support Squad with rockets, a Medusa squad, a Typon and a Master of Signals. Supported by a LR with Termis and troops in Rhinos. The tanks have Heavy Flamers. Enough templates?

>>49292735
>DA masters of armour gain the skimmer type.

How does the Crawling Fire special rule works?

>>49289690
>>49289746

It's a recast, who cares?

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>>49292801
>White Scars
The Tank gains Skilled Rider and +1 to its cover save. The Tank gains the ability to Jink, and rerolls Tank Shock/Ramming if it moved full 12" in the previous movement phase.
Or use its smoke launchers and shoot in the same turn, if it makes more sense to you

>>49292748
It's a "dark sunburst" apparently, though what it symbolises I don't really know - might be Mort's Iron Halo, if his custom plate has one - like >>49292679 says, it's got a lot of shit in their just for his chemical needs

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>>49292892
>night lords
This model is WS4. When tank shocking, the model also makes 2d6+3 s5 AP4 attacks if appropriately modeled with enough spiky bits. This model has the Talent for Murder rule, counting as ten models for regular tanks and 15 for superheavies. Superheavies make their attacks at s7 AP3 instead

>>49292892
Infurno hasn't come out, so I won't do SWs
>Imperial Fists
+1 S to all bolt weapons and tank hunters
>>49292952
Leadership penalties against tank shocks.

Just like the good ol' days after Unification.

>>49292978
>salamanders
The model gains +1 STR to flame weaponry, gains Tank Hunters with Melta weaponry and may fire overwatch with any flame weapons

>>49292735
>alpha legion
Tank may scout and infiltrate, and any bolt weapons gains the banestrike rule

>>49292735
>Raven Guard
The tank gains stealth, move through cover and scout, and anything deepstriking near it only rolls d6 scatter. If commanding a Superheavy, it exchanges Scout for preferred enemy (warlord and unit)

>>49292735
>WB
Tank reduces it's BS by 1, however it gains Fear and 'It Will Not Die'

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>>49292905
>It's a "dark sunburst" apparently
It's a guitar? Stupid google.
I meant, you can see Iron Halos on Guilliman, Angron, Vulkan and Ferrus (both of the latter supercharged to 3++). And some others could be getting their invuln from other sources, like Kurze from those metal vanes on his back, the ones wearing terminator armour from their Cataphractii pauldrons (this is canon) and Lorgar from an early hidden Rosarius-like generator.

Mortarion has a bathtub on his back, maybe there's where he stores his Dark Sunburst guitar?

>>49292735
If anyone, blood angels should really get fast tanks given that they already had the baal predator STC by this point (was said that they found it during the great crusade). But, if EC have nabbed that, then looks like it's time for deep striking land raiders. Again.

>>49293052
I'd say fast and assault for BA

>>49293016
Alpha tanks should gain Mutable Tactics, just like that. Maybe replace Counter Attack for Interceptor.
There's so much more to the Alpha Legion than Infiltration.
>>49293037
>PE Superheavy
Now you're just being nasty.
Why not give the Superheavy a rule like the Typhon's Ramming? +1 to it's superheavy ramming, akin to their "Bulky things gain Furious Charge" thingy.

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>>49293089
>World Eaters
Up to 10 models may embark on the tank as if it had the Open-Topped rule, this is in addition to any transport capacity the tank may already have. The tank gains a 6+ invulnerable save while 1-5 models are embarked this way, increasing to 4+ if 6-10 models are embarked. However, for each successful save D3 riding models are removed as casualties. Bulky or very bulky models may not be transported in this way.

>>49293089
Fair point. Would be nice to see a wiser deployment of Bane strike rounds. especially grating for heavy support squads, who are just begging them.

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>>49293040
Your tank has Faith (Word Bearers)
Or, the Tank can have Dark Blessings:
>1-3
The tank gains +1 to ramming, Fear and rerolls Tank Shock. Units must test for Fear when being Tank shocked.
>4-5
The Tank gains IWND
>6
Where we are going we don't need threads! The Tank gains the DAEMON USR.

Daemon tank, Daemon tank, does whatever a Daemon can.
Gains a save, can Deepstrike.
Crushes people- just like flies.
Look out!
Here comes the Daemon tank!

>>49293126
I think you may have got World Eaters and Orks mixed up.

>>49293089
>typhon with +2 on thunderblitz
That'd actually be fucking ridiculous, it would annihilate everything forever. I want one.
>Iron Hands
get access to a list of special rules and bonuses like +1hp, rerolling IWND or a second POTMS. They can take one for free and another for 25 points
>DG
Any flame weapons gain shred, Demolisher cannons may take Phosphex rounds instead of demolisher shells for free or both for +20 points, when smoke launchers are used it and any units behind it gain shrouded until it next moves

>>49293126
Jesus, that goes beyon even Iron Warrior tactics, comrade!

>>49292851
Nyugguh that's FW

>>49293155

No, just put the Imperial Army soldiers on the Glaive.

>>49293152
>>typhon with +2 on thunderblitz
LEEEEEROOOOOOOY

>DG
Chem ammo should still be a choice, lest it hurts itself on ones.
Can we add "Ignores Vehicle Damage on a 4+, Explosion results instead do D6 Hull points of damage. The Tank may only Flat out half the distance"

And Salamander tanks can't flat out: They're using their gas reserves to fuel those flamers!
Also, Melta and flame weapons must reroll succesful Glancing and Penetrating hits, including Melta bombs.

>>49293205
Oh. Ok, maybe they'd indeed do such a thing.

>>49293126
they did something similar to that in betrayer with at least titans.
and you should be able to transport either 2 units, or 1 big one if it already has transport capacity,
although i'd prefer size to vary upon chasis, rhino's had an external capacity of , letting you take those 15 man squads up
godhammer landraider has 20 man
sicaran 7
you could also take 5 beyond the limits but for each extra model embarked its movement is reduced by 1 inch and it cannot flat out

>>49291378
"Dorn only has a chain sword"

Alphs last words to omegon

>>49293254
bolter and chainsword is all you need to win the heresy apparently

>>49293212
The DG didnt get the Gets hot on vehicles, only the shred. I like the flatout restrictions.

If the sally tanks get more durable, that basically supercedes their RoW with the obsidian forge stuff.

>>49293269
And unwaveringly loyalty

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>>49293254
It used to be the case his cost was balanced by having Unwieldy.
Now he has a Crusader Rampage Reaping Blow Furious Charge + Sundering blow (S9) Shredding AP2 sword.

This is the chainsword that will pierce the IWNDs :^)

Hail, Lord of Death! Torghun Khan greets you!

>>49293269
>'If I ever laid assault to a bastion possessed by you.’ Horus had quipped at a recent banquet, 'then the war would last for all eternity, the best in attack matched by the best in defence.’

>Then Horus brings 4 gods and three times the legions against Dorn and loses.

>>49293272
>If the sally tanks get more durable, that basically supercedes their RoW with the obsidian forge stuff.
The way I wrote it, it'd add on top of the Obsidian Forged rule.
5++ save against the usual tank killers (other than Armourbane & Lascannons), and meltas must reroll succesful damage!
Maybe they shouldn't even be allowed to go at Cruising speed to balance it.

>>49293333
>>Then Horus brings 4 gods and three times the legions against Dorn and loses.
Quads times three. This is now an Auric Comment.

>>49293348

Horus was a fitting sacrifice for ten times one thousand years of carnage.

>>49293348
>tfw when nothing can would your post on anything better than a 3+, regardless of any special rules it has.

Any other Fists players here besides Crimson Scorpion and Unification?

>>49293556
My most regular opponent is a Fist player. Otherwise, you could settle for Knight Anon

>>49293556
I play Templar Brethren with LA(Alpha Legion), if that counts for anything.

>>49293326

He was already laughing.

>>49293150
>>49293155
As >>49293250 says, they do it in betrayer. And not just on the warhounds, it's said they ride the outside of their rhinos too.

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>>49293556
Yep, I just don't namefag.

>>49294055
I'm loving the yellow on that Iron Warrior on steroids dread you got there. What do you plan on arming him with if you can forgive me for the pun there.

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>>49294112
Probably going to run him as a Mortis with dual-Kheres or as a Cortus with dual DCCW. I don't have any fliers, so a Mortis would be nice. I fully magnetized his arms at the shoulder and elbow joints so I'll be able to swap with Forge World arms later too.

>>49294155
Are Mortis Contemptors good enough as AA?
Also, can Deredeos intercept ground units? I was thinking about Plasma Carronade Doritos.

>>49294178
Interceptor is not restricted to aircraft, however due it also getting Skyfire from the Helical Targeting Array it can only fire snap shots against ground targets.

If it's not using the targeting array, it won't have Interceptor or Skyfire, so it can't do a ground intercept then.

>>49294224
That was precisely my concern: I wanted to use the Plasma Carronade Blast profile to intercept Deepstriking troops, Riptide style.

I guess the better way to safeguard those artillery batteries is, what, bubblewrapping?

>>49294178
I've only played Zone Mortalis with my Fists (because I'm a super motherfucking slow painter) so I honestly don't know. I would imagine that a savvy opponent would do his best to explode it if it was the only AA in an army though? At least they have some decent armour up front and that invul save.

>>49294238
Units with an Augury Scanner added on to it can do what you want.

Augury Scanners grant Interceptor against units that land within 18" of the model equipped with it.

For instance Legion Heavy Support Squads can take these for 5 points on their sergeants.

And Techmarines (and by extension Forge Lords) may also take them for 5 points, and you can attach those to quite a few things.

>>49290786
Pretty sure you need a compulsory (Arch)Magos Reductor if you're playing Ordo Reductor

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>>49294392
I think dual LasHavocs could do the deed. Before I consider other options, do Deredeo shields stack on top of each other? As in, a Havoc unit sandwiched between two Deredeos gaining a 5++.
And then you add the Voidshield...

>>49294452
page 79 of the Legion Red Book: "and its benefits do not stack with the effects of other atomantic pavaises, or other special rules, psychic powers or items of wargear which boost an existing invulnerable save."

So no, 2 pavaises do not stack with each other, or anything else, other than an existing basic invulnerable save.

>>49294515
So, people talking about 3++ daemons via pavaise and cursed earth are full of shit.

>>49294591
nope, but 3++ Cataphractii would work, and I suppose Daemons of Tzeentch (as they have a 4++ by default) can do it as well.

>>49294620

Daemons of Tzeentch have reroll saves of 1
CSM mark of Tzeentch is +1 invul

>>49295187
my mistake, then you can't really do it, unless Greater Daemons have a better invulnerable save than standard.

Will the White Scars be featured in one of the upcoming books?

>>49295336
No one knows whats after Inferno.

>>49295336
they won't be in the next book,inferno, and the book after that will probably be blood angels and dark angels. so come back in 2020 and then you might have a book

>>49292299
Different Word Bearer. I'd list differently for some Orbital Assault UM.

>>49290769
Here's how:
>turn one
>don't die
See?
Stupid primarchless iron hand.

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>>49280249
I just got Know NO Fear book, is it good?

All I read before it was the Space MarineS Omnibus.

>>49295389
That would probably still be before Dorn and Alpharius get their models

>>49296071
It's got good build up and some great bolter porn scenes then the plot wraps up in 5 pages.

>>49296071
It's alright, it shows you how ultramarines can be successful but they win abit too fast but my god the bolter porn is amazing, and also sets up calth and ventris books

>>49296089
Obviously do you know how many custodes they're going to make.
>Gargantuan creature to make the dreadknight cry himself to sleep.
>FLYING RHINOS
>cataphracti terminators with sweeping advance and ap2 halberds where if a custodian is in base contact with another that's in base contact with an enemy model then they can both attack
What else do you think they'll get

>>49296259
I think it's more of a question what they won't get xD

>>49296071
It's pretty solid.

How deep are you planning on going into the HH books? If you're going to read a lot of them then there might be better to hold off and do a few others before this one.

>>49295389
Will Sanguinius at least get a model before then? Will it even have pretty wings and hair to out-fabulous Fulgrim?

how were orks doing in 30k after ullanor? close to extinction or just a minor setback?

>>49296343
No he'll have the worse face as it'll be a two parter with ka'banda even if it's not signus prime or battle of terra in the campaign book, it's still his most iconic thing. His face will be taught with rage to show the corrupting influence of chaos

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>>49296316
Well seeing how video gaming is dying and I have more access to the books now, maybe deep.

Literally might do the acceptable and up half of this list I have.

>>49296371
Before ullanor they had plasma that didn't overheat, after ullanor there would still be feral strains everywhere.

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>>49296391
I use this one.

>>49296391
>Angel Exterminatus
>Mediocre tier
Nah.

>>49296463
It's all down to the characterisation of pertuabo
Some like him some don't.
Was the OC even a sergeant when he got promoted to trearch or was he just a legionary

>>49296528
Kroeger? Pretty sure he was the company commander under his Warsmith.

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>>49296388
>tfw it's just going to be a dead Sanguinius model since all it seems he can do is die. First to ka'banda, and second to Horus.

>>49296556
He's listed as a lieutenant in the book's character page.

>>49296391
>Fear to Tread in Acceptable
I'd bump this one a tier up, enjoyed it a lot. Ditto for Pharos. YMMV, I guess.

>>49296557
He's a vampire. It shouldn't be surprising that being dead is his default status.

>>49296556
Okay then it's more excusable his ascension as warsmith is the logical task for his previous warsmith failing, and also pertuabo showing the rest how he wanted new bloods and all their positions could be lost in an instant