/wg/ - Weaver Dice/Worm General #7: Hell Hath no Fury like an

Halbeard.

Is he really that blue?

I wonder how many Japanese girls trigger and become megucas thinking this is Sailor Moon or PreCure when this is Yuki Yuuna wa Yuusha at best.

>>49278670
this is more Madoka if anything.

>>49278680
Nah, chances of becoming a literal monster in Worm are rather low, rather than inevitable like in Madoka.

>>49278680
Yuki Yuuna is actually more depressing, what with the "we are immortals doomed to lose body functions until we retire" thing.

Madoka at least allows you to enjoy your powers, die normally and balance it out enough to not become a witch.

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>>49278670
Makes sense that cape culture in each country is affected by the countries earlier culture about hero figures, this reminds me that american cape culture was modelled after early cape comics at first right?
As in "if you have powers then you are supposed to use them for good and if you don't then you are scum" and "Rogue" was a derogatory term barely above villain before people started to accept that some capes just want to chill the fuck out and not get in any kind of trouble, (heroes being outnumbered by villains was probably a factor too but thats just me theorizing it was never outright said).

What would be some alternative cape cultures that could be a fun setting? Someone last thread talked about the indian cape culture with the "public" and "underground" capes and I think it could be fun to have the players be both flashy capes who get into relatively harmless shenanigans to sell more toys of themselves and for the juxtaposition also cold murderous underground capes that try their hardest to stay away from public eye.

>>49279121
East European capes dealing with Sleeper Quarantine mucking things up would be neat.

>>49279121
Do we know about German cape cultures?

(Note: Disregarding canon here)

German capes would likely be ordinary people. Using their powers for mundane shit and stuff.

However, due to the rampant underground shit in Germany (there are massive clan structures built by immigrants over the decades) and factions like Antifa and the Neonazis, there'd be a bunch of factions that would be likely to engage in a lot of conflict (Antifa is known for crashing protests or just outright going out and causing damage out of spite - like, one time they rampaged because the Neonazis were allowed to hold a protest rally. And Neonazis are, well, Neonazis) and, in the case of the clans, would have very quick proliferation of budding shards, as they are actual families.

Someone would need to keep those forces down. First of all, there would be certifications for power use, in order to direct power development and let the state know which powers are available where and how well-trained an individual is. It's not German if there isn't a bureaucracy.
Most people with powers would get lessons on combat and power use, which would double as sports club and tie into the certificate system. As a bonus, anyone with powers would be able to go there and meet people, making it more likely that those people would integrate into society instead of falling down the rungs of the ladders and joining any criminal faction like you see in canon.

Then there would be the obvious parahuman members in police forces, as well as local groups of people who train for emergency situations together and prepare to take down any parahuman threats.

There could also be a government program where registered parahumans can get a status similar to a public servant - Lifetime financial aid, insurance, etc. if you allow the state to determine where you live.
This would allow the state to shift around the parahuman population to use it as efficiently as possible, without cutting into actual personal freedoms.

>>49279262
>German capes would likely be ordinary people. Using their powers for mundane shit and stuff.
Don't forget about the whole nudging into conflict/choosing people that are prone to go nuclear the shards have.

>>49279341
That's what I addressed in the paragraphs after that.

You'd inevitably have conflict because of the massive amount of gangbangers and shit.

Thankfully, the clans would have themes going on for their powers, due to budding, which would help tremendously in defending against them.

Everyone would be ready for combat, which would inevitably happen. Especially during protests, political events, after football matches and stuff.

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Can she ever find love?

What kind of costume a broke combat Thinker would manage to scrape by when all they have is a big hateboner for them gangs and pennies?

>>49279512
Stop posting horrible, horrible fanart. And no.

>>49279262
I only remember germany being mentioned because of the Tinker organization called Toybox, but that doesn't say much aside from maybe that the Tinker culture is thriving? Anyway thats a great write up, the bureaucracy and the shifting around of capes for maximum cape coverage seems very german.

Makes me wonder about the crime organizations, (assuming that Scion appearing didn't change the course of history too much) I can think of bike gangs like the Hells Angels and probably smaller turkish and slavic ethnic gangs in the poorer neighbourhoods if the guest worker stuff happened in the Wormverse too Thank god my parents actually made an effort to integrate.

>>49279229
Big time crime organizations are paying off the corrupt goverment to move the sleeper zones in their favour, making enemies lose their territory or regain important locations like a popular casino that still can bring revenue, all while people actually living in those places are getting annoyed about having to move all the time and are fighting a losing battle against corruption. Not to forget that the wrong relocation of the quarantine puts people at risk of actually coming near the madman Sleeper himself civilians can't know where the real quarantine zones start and the fake zones begin.
This sounds neat, endgame could be the party trying to lure the big time villains and corrupt g-men into Sleeper territory to make him take them out or something like that.

>>49279527
Depending on how much they care they could either go the Bitch route with just a cheap halloween mask over casual clothing or do it like Grue or pre-wards Shadow Stalker and modify ordinary stuff to fit their theme and power. Grue didn't need a skull on the motorcycle helmet or side vents to make his power appear in a cool way, neither did Shadow Stalker have to wear a long robe or spray paint a hockey mask, but still they did those things because it looked hella sweet.
Especially a broke combat thinker who has to rely on regual street weapons should try to get their hands on military style clothing which is designed for utility with all the pockets and stuff, doing something like https://youtu.be/DTjC7QBoby8 and having easily accessible weapons on every part of the body could also save their lifes in an unexpected situation.
In a pinch just throw on a ski mask plus hoodie and go ham, if you do it right no one will be alive to remember your costume anyway.

>nobody even mentions Gesselschaft

>>49279662
>Thank god my parents actually made an effort to integrate.
>tfw there have been rivaling clans stabbing each other in front of a fucking hospital in Lüneburg


Well, realistically the German government would just fuck it up and react too slowly and the entire country would devolve into isolated pockets of society. Basically like the kingdoms that we used to have.

But a bunch of Brockton Bays is very boring compared to bureaucracy.

I guess the gun clubs would also become much more popular and become very tightly-knit groups.


Russia could be interesting. Powers would greatly weaken the position of the oligarchs, which might cause a revival of the country.
Or, more likely, splinter it into a bunch of countries that are all a bit better off than they currently are, despite constant border skirmishes and even more violence between people.
Imagine the mileage the people in Siberia would get out of a habitat tinker.
I can totally imagine the Russians *actually* doing the whole "cobs and robbers" thing.
Sure, you beat each other up, send people to the hospital, cripple them and gang up on each other, but in the end you have a story to tell and will go your own way afterwards instead of hunting down the fuckers who dared to insult your honor by beating you up.
Slav vs Arab mindset.
>"Vladimir, why do you have a tinkertech arm?"
>"Well, there was this asshole who thought he could make room for his car by ramming mine..."
There's also the entire "we don't really care about living anymore" mentality that is there in current Russia.
Jumped off of a roof and almost died? Eh, your tinker buddy patched you up and now you can drink more vodka and have a story to tell!

They would, however, lynch any masters. I imagine that shit going way against their philosophy, what with the entire wrongthink thing in the Soviet Union and shit.

However, this entire stuff hinges on history being exactly the same for the past fourty or so years, which is not the case in Worm.

>>49280035
Some anon mentioned in the very first /wg/ thread that Russia used to have a major problem with organized crime in the 80s with mafias running every big city and the government being completely in their pockets, when I asked my slav parents about it my mother said that Putin was responsible for stopping the mafias and that this was the only good thing he ever did for the country while my father thinks that Putin was in control of the mafias anyway and that the whole thing was basically what Coil was doing in Brockton Bay with supporting warlords and while fighting to regain the city under his civilian name.

Anyway I can totally imagine that all of this was happening just like that but because of superpowers the people managed to get a grip and regained their country for themselves again where your post comes in.

>>49278294
Remove Taylor
Remove Wildbow
Remove Worm

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>>49280290
I don't think I understand.

>>49278670
Very few after Leviathan fucked up Japan.

>>49279512
She doesn't deserve it. Tattletale is a pretty awful person who just happens to be on Taylor's side.

>>49279512
>>49280395
While she definitely was a bad person I wouldn't say that she was that bad and Taylor was just lucky to be on her side, remember that Lisa went out of her way to help Taylor mostly because she felt bad for her and wanted her to be happy, sure she also wanted her to convert to villainy but the fact the she tried to do so even though the logical course of action would have been to expose the undercover thing to the team is another minor plus for her.
I could honestly imagine that Lisa triggering is the exact thing that made her redeemable, if she went to school with Taylor she would have probably bullied her too just because it was the socially expected thing of her to do but had her trigger event happened but she wouldn't have gotten powers out of it she still would probably have tried to befriend Taylor and help her out because she would have felt bad for her.

I don't even know why I feel like defending Tats that much

>>49280894
>I don't even know why I feel like defending Tats that much
Waifuism.

Common problem.

What is sex with Contessa like?

>>49281075
Very efficient and effective.

>>49281075
An orgasm so good that it will define your life into "pre-sex with fedora lady" and "post-sex with fedora lady".
Depending on her appoach your life will could change for the better and you will work harder on yourself than you have ever before since you, what you can only descibe it as, have "seen god". Or you will fall in depression as you realize that you have peaked and nothing will ever bring you such, or any, joy again, soon after you commit suicide in the most painful way possible in the hopes of at least feeling something again.

Either way it was probably part of Cauldrons plan and whatever happened to you lowers the chance of the world ending by about 0.00313%.

Is it okay to talk about Twig here?

Because damn it Sy; for a guy who's so good with people, you're kinda bad with people.

>>49281343
I want more bullying Lilian.

>>49281343
He's good with people, but lives too much in the moment. He can model Lillian very well, but can't model her future. The reason she broke down is because this wouldn't work long-term.

I'm still reeling from the gut punch that was Tuesday's chapter.

There's already canon statements from Wildbow on the various areas of the world and their statuses

USA: Obvious.

Canada: Similar to USA but less capes because less population density.

Mexico+South America: Cartel/Government vs. rebel insurgencies

Europe: More divided than OTL, Swiss Holocaust, usually one solid team a country (King's Men, Meisters)

Russia: Government vs. Mafiya vs. Everyone Else

Africa: lolwarlords

Japan: Gone. Had a whole lot of anime and sentai style heroes.

China: Brainwashed government cape army.

India: Celebrity capes Duke it out in staged spectacles, blackops capes do the REAL shit for governments and corporations

Middle East: Islamic extremism is messy but contained

>>49281343
I'm waiting for it to finish before delving into it full force. The first few chapters had me yawning quite a bit.

>>49281234
Well, post-Golden Morning, Contessa is in a state of exploring her own free will

She could fuck whoever she feels like (I suggest chevalier)

>>49281573
Somehow, I doubt she'll stop spamming PtV for purposes.

>>49281525
Swiss Holocaust?

>>49281514
There's a very clear theme running through Wildbow's protagonists; none of them are long-term thinkers and they tend to rely on mixing things up and hoping their opponents don't deal with the change as well as they do.

>>49281525
>Meisters
Welp.
Time to discard canon. He obviously put no thought into this.
Unless this is not meant to be a name from a German-speaking country.

>>49281646
The Simurghs first appearance was in the Swiss, she chilled above a city and did nothing for a week as people were confused what she was.
Thinking that maybe she was friendly people flocked into the country to see her first hand when she started singing, appearantly she managed to fuck up the entire country.

>>49281665
Apart from getting the grammer wrong (it's supposed to be "Meister", not "Meisters" for the non kraut speaker) I don't see the problem?

I mean as far as I remember my german lessons the country even has a history with giving skilled craftsmen the title "Meister" meaning Master.

>>49281776
It's both the grammar and the word.

What is the team supposed to be like? "Meister" is a legal title associated with a certificate on your wall and the legal ability to teach your own apprentices.

"Meister" as a name for a superhero group sounds pretentious as shit. It's like an American group calling itself "Super Dupers" or something in terms of how cringe-worthy it is.

>>49281892
A common problem with fiction about countries the author is unfamiliar with, the best thing they can do is translate some cool sounding words and hope for the best.

>>49281981
Yeah, but it often implies a lack of cultural understanding, which in turns means that their setting could be better if they had someone else go over the idea instead of building it on their own.

>>49281343
I'm waiting for it to finish before reading.

>>49281892
>"Meister" as a name for a superhero group sounds pretentious as shit.
Unlike The Elite, the Protectorate, the King's Men, the superhero named Legend, or the one called Hero, the Empire and its leader Kaiser...

>>49281525
>Meisters
We Mai Otome now?

>>49280894
>drag an impressionable young girl into a life of crime and violence
>it's ok because she feels bad for her and wants to help
Jack Slash should have aimed for the neck.

Is there any game that can really represent the powers of thinkers as they appear in worm? Like contessa is obviously sort of impossible but what about someone like tattletale. A character who can just figure out alot about a given subject with a little effort.

I know this might not be the place to discuss such things but I've been on Twig's tail end for a while after reading Worm and Pact. Sy's good but I crave more.

Any other good web serials out there? Wildbow rec'd Watchmirror.

>>49283439
It's GM heavy and will most likely warp the game, but it's certainly doable. Generally speaking, the power generation fags at the dedicated IRC channel prefer giving lower end powers to Thinkers though. And Tattletale is ridiculously powerful, even in universe. Accord as well.

>>49283439
I think something like that will always require lots of bullshitting on the GMs part though if the absolute madman actual tries to give every person and object attributes that the player *might* stumble upon if they care then that that GM deserves a medal. I guess sometimes it can just be shortcutted too by narrating it like "you find out stuff about his personal life" but that seems a little half hearted.

>>49283439
Tattletale could /maybe/ be represented by normal 'roll to know things' with a crazy bonus. Past that it depends on the system.

>>49283525
>if the absolute madman actual tries to give every person and object attributes that the player *might* stumble upon
It could certainly be made easier if you just write up a lot of simple and generic ways that a character could be Tattletale'd like "you find out about a dead romantic interest" or "seems like this person failed in something and is trying their hardest to hide it" and any time the player tries to use their power on an unimportant NPC you can just pick one off of the list.
As the player tries to find out more can start feeding them just a bit more info the closer they get like "that person didn't know that this person was in love with them" or "the failure was of academic nature". Add a few special ones for important NPCs and you're golden.
Past the simplified first piece of info you give out you can also probably just make up the rest of it on the spot, making it not only easier for you to make up a bunch of them but also allowing you to re use the more generic ones, one time it's a dead wife that they feel bad for having indirectly cause their death, another time a boyfriend that was dying of cancer and the person feels guilty for being relieved that their suffering is over.

>>49283439
For precog powers you could make the player roll and after they saw the results they can either automatically pass or give up knowing that it won't work.
Perhaps even give a bonus, like if just barely fail in overpowering someone they can re do it for real but with an easier roll because they can anticipate how the other person will move and react.

Carnage is a pretty good fic.

>>49279229
>STALKER in the Sleeper Quarantine Zone
Fund it

>>49284820
Is that the Butcher!Taylor one?

>>49284883
Holy shit, Sleeper being the source of shit like anomalies appearing all over the place seems very plausible. Throw in Nilbog for the mutants and perhaps even make them be at war with each other for domination of the russian wastelands and baby you got a stew going.

All it needs now is a reason for capes to venture into that god forsaken place, maybe they are there by accident? Or the birdcage was obstructed at that moment so criminals got send to "the zone" instead.

>>49284948
Indeed it is.

>>49280035

By the way, tinker-tech breaks down really fast. It needs maintenance approximately once a week. This is why being a cyborg is a bad idea, because now the Tinker has leverage over you, forever.

>>49285091
>being a cyborg is a bad idea
>unless you're the Tinker
also, I think we had the idea in thread 1-2: A tinker with a specialty in narcotics and guns goes full Breaking Bad and gets a lot of people in his city hooked on his super-meth that makes you work your ass off and be productive for 24 hours and then crash for 48 or whatever the fuck.

>>49284969
Looting shit?

>>49284969
Certain powers have a vested interest in the nuclear weapons in the quarantine not falling into the wrong hands.

>>49285453
Nukes fell out of favor in the Wormverse after Scion intervened in the Cold War.

>>49284820
>>49284948
>Taylor talks about Behemoth to Sophia

I got hard

>>49285482
Maybe he missed a spot?

>>49285563
How the fuck did she even get the Butcher? IIRC one of the Butchers had a Brute rating that gave them really hard skin. I don't think the spiders could get through.

>>49285482
Nukes fell out of favor? What happened during the Cold War?

>>49289452
Scion destroyed a test missile and the facility that launched it.

>>49282412
American culture is different from German culture and most of these titles are names for singular persons or descriptions of their functions.

The Protectorate protects, the King's Men work under the monarchy, Legend/Hero are fucking superheroes and Empire 88 is an attempt at translating the German word "Reich", with Kaiser being an American who uses a foreign term.

Really, if a German Nazi group called itself "Das Reich", it would be completely okay. "Männer des Königs" would work for a monarchical group, "Die IT-Dienstleister" would be completely okay for a tinker team with a sense of humor, but "Meister" or Beschützer" (Protectors) sounds really retarded.
As an side, "Held" and "Legende" would also sound retarded in German. American pop culture is much more resistant to names and titles that would sound completely retarded in other cultures.

>>49288941
Alexandria style?

>>49290003
I agree, but I can forgive Wildbow for not knowing. I don't think he's multilingual.

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>>49289839
Now I'll like to run a worm AU campaign where Scion's action lead to a conventional ww3. Imagine it as something akin to Uber(comicbook) mixed with Red Dawn and World in Conflict with plenty of 80s NATO weapon and slavshit to satisfy my /k/boner.

>>49290547
It couldn't happen, Scion would stop it. Unless he was catatonic or something.

>>49290571
He tried to intervene but was killed by either the US or Soviet forces because 'MURICA FUCK YEAH/GLORIOUS SOVIET UNION COMRADE, CYKA BLYAT

>>49290571
But anon, Tom Clancy's Worm. Think about it. And we're talking about him during his prime.

>>49290605
>He tried to intervene but was killed by either the US or Soviet forces
That's not Scion.

>>49290605
>>49290623
Hey, it could always happen on an alternate earth. You just wouldn't get as many capes.

>>49290654
>It's Edens plot to throw off people who time looped out of the original timeline after Golden Morning
>In this timeline, she's the one who survived, not Scion and thus framed his very public appearance and death

>>49290685
Earths are doomed.

Would Eden get as depressed as Scion did if he died?

>>49290712
>Would Eden get as depressed as Scion did if he died?
She's a woman, so no. :^)

>>49290712
Eden is low powered compared to Scion, but is kinda smart. She might try doing her cunning plan shtick, but fail because she's used to having more firepower at her disposal.

So yes, she'd get depressed.

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>>49289839
FAGGOOOOOOOT

>>49283439

Mutants and Masterminds with no power limits or power limits established per character could work.

There is a shitton of sense based powers.

With exception of precognition of course. It's not so much that it is impossible to stat but more that it is really unwieldy in play. Especially if used to get information.

Also considering how precog powers mess with eachother in-universe I don't understand how they still work at all. Any powerful oracle should have screwed up whole world a ton of times for each attempt to get information about massive events and their details. His precog sense in such case would touch large percentages of world population rendering following attempts moot.

>>49290884
Because this kind of power is limited. In scope, in usage, in reliability, etc.

What exactly was the purpose of Madison? Emma and Sophia had a semi big and reoccuring role in Taylors personal arc but Madison just exists as a hanger on at the beginning before never getting mentioned again.
Did Wildbow have bigger plans for her but just never got to using her or was this on purpose?

>>49291523
W I T N E S S E D

>>49291477
She rounded out the Bitch Trio. She was the 'normal' one, so to speak. The one without powers, without trauma.

>>49291477
The third wheel ;)

>>49291477
Emma and Sophia were fucked up people and abusing Taylor was a facette of their past trauma but Madison hurt Taylor in the exact same way despite (seemingly) being a normal person. She was there to show that you don't have to be a particularly fucked up person to do fucked up stuff to other people, sometimes peer social pressure/acceptance can make you do bad things.

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Where the food based capes at?
If Canary used her powers to hype people up at concerts then other rogues surely could use their powers to make some mean meals, for example a Bio-Tinker that creates cows with especially tender meat or a heat based cape than is guaranteed to grill a steak 100% evenly. The possibilities are endless.
I want to play a campaign based around this

>>49292850
>Team of Movers that try to deliver all food within 10 minutes, or it's your money back
>party has to weave through gang territories and other conflict against the clock
>as their delivery place rises in popularity, so does the scope they have to deliver in
>party tries saving up to open their own place but have to pay for the food themselves if it's past 10 minutes
I like this, a proper rogue game 100% focused on making a profit.

>>49292850
Skitter planned on using her bugs for food at one point

>>49288941
>implying merely being totally immune to her powers will stop Skitter

>>49293928
Makes me wonder how Atlas would have tasted, Panacea could have designed some nice flying protein bombs for the people.

>>49293970
Like Mannequin.

>>49288941
The theory is that the Butcher Taylor killed was Aisha, who herself didn't know shit other than "Big bro is in danger".

>>49294130
Wot? Where's the evidence of that?

>>49283439
Wild Talents. Basically just some hypermind, with an if/then clause "only applies when deductive abilities are a significant factor," plus a handful of hyperskills. Where the "deductive abilities" clause does or doesn't apply is a bit of GM fiat, to be fair. I've seen what looked like a decent write-up of Tattletale in HERO/Champions, but I'm not all that familiar with the system.

Accord would be a fun one in Wild Talents, since I think you can chain powers together. It'd basically be like
>Power 1: +1d in Hypermind
>Power 2: +2d in Hypermind (if/then: only when dealing with problems of mild complexity; subset of power 1)
>Power 3: +2d in Hypermind (if/then: only when dealing with problems of moderate complexity; subset of power 2)
>Power 4: +2d+1HD in Hypermind (if/then: only when dealing with problems of high complexity; subset of power 3)
>Power 5: +1WD in Hypermind (if/then: only when dealing with problems of extreme complexity; subset of power 4)
with the 'complexity' either being based on the number of penalties or just GM fiat.

>>49294236
One of her Butcher powers is making people forget about her, and Grue is so pissed at her he's willing to work Der Furher himself.

>>49294296
>hypermind

How does that work? Never played WT.

>>49290003
>The Protectorate protects
Do you know what an actual Protectorate is.

All powers were somewhat balanced around one point with some exceptions like the triumvirate or any non Endbringer S-class threat, but who had the undeniably weakest power?

>>49296834
>All powers were somewhat balanced around one point with some exceptions
Absolutely not the case. They had a upper ceiling set by the Entities (that Cauldron capes often broke), but otherwise they were all over the place.

This general is deader than best boy Regent.

>>49298239
That's not Grue.

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>>49298316
>tfw no 10/10 beef cake wallflower to confort after trauma
He deserved better, and so did Jean Paul

>>49298357
>better
Grue shouldn't have survived the S9. Regent died at the exact moment he needed to die, but Grue died far too late in the story, and offscreen to boot.

>>49298399
What exactly was Regent supposed to do during a battle with Behemoth anyway? You can't exactly make the fucker trip or stumble.

>>49298399
>Grue shouldn't have survived the S9
He was basically dead at that point anyway, the way the story just started to ignore him.
For the rewrite I hope that either he doesn't get completely ignored after being refrigerator'd or the relationship with Taylor starts a bit sooner before he dies actually dies from S9.

>>49298543
Same thing Taylor did during Leviathan I guess, pick up injured people and run errands for the capes busy fighting.

>>49298562
They should've kept Shatterbird as a heavy hitter. The theory was she could've fucked with Endbringer crystals.

>>49298644
Honestly I'm still sceptical about how the Undersiders plus Travelers managed to thin out a group of people considered to be some of the baddest motherfuckers ever, I mean the Undersiders have proven themselves to be very competent and capable but S-class threats seem to be on another level completely.
Though the fact that they were deliberately gimping themselves and even announcing that does make it a little more believable.

On another note, how come literally all fanart of Jack Slash is shit?

>>49299357
Keep in mind that the Undersiders and Travelers only really were just barely holding their ground against them and they were actually killed by the Protectorate jumping in and carpet bombing them.

>>49299357
Legend, Glory Girl, other heroes and some Wards were there too.

>>49299357
I'd like to see one piece of fan art that actually portrays his as Johnny Depp

>>49299357
Worm isn't like some incestuous anime canon, where the most powerful characters are immune to all effects from lower tier characters. The biggest, baddest monsters in Worm (besides the Endbringers, and arguably them too) are puzzle bosses.

>>49301430
Speaking of incest

Carol is a pretty shit parent yeah?

>>49301859
She did OK with Victoria but really did no effort to hide she really didn't like Amy.

>>49301877
Real self fulfilling prophecy there. I'm surprised I haven't seen a fic where Panacea full on breaks the fuck down.

>>49301967
You have, it's called Worm.

>>49302482
Something a bit more apocalyptic, then.

Taylor got depowered at the end. Did Glaistig Uaine catch the Queen Administrator shard?

>>49298562
>Same thing Taylor did during Leviathan I guess, pick up injured people and run errands for the capes busy fighting.

Is Regent any better than a normal human at that? I guess he can sense humans ...

>>49298239
>implying
best boy is ___Lung___
>>49302696
No, shard is still attached to her, but it can't do anything.

>>49302848
So, potentially, if someone had healing powers or something they could give Taylor her power back?

>>49303537
They could try. Probably get Contessa'd though. Or killed by any one of a lot of people. Very few people want Khepri back.

>>49303864
Why? She did kill Scion.

>>49304507
Insanely powerful mind-control Master?

>>49304686
They have no choice. Cape population is at an all-time low after Golden Morning, and the Protectorate needs everyone it can get with the fucked up triggers and Teacher running around.

>>49304823

No, that's stupid. Khepri was a threat far greater than an Endbringer. It's like re-arming a nuclear bomb. Remember, she SPECIFICALLY controls superhumans.

Who the fuck would want them back? If I knew Taylor was alive, I'd kill her just in case to avoid being turned into her flesh-puppet. Good guys and villains would BOTH agree she had to be made thoroughly dead.

>>49304823
>implying
You are right, they have no choice. They have to keep the S-Class threat called Khepri from coming back, no matter the cost.

She's named after a mythical being for a reason. They speak of her just like they do of the Endbringer, that's how scary she is.

>>49304838
>Remember, she SPECIFICALLY controls superhumans.
No, she doesn't.

>>49299357

Taylor has a Trump power than makes superhumans act stupid around her. It's like how Jack Slash's real power was his Thinker ability that made him invulnerable in a fight with any cape, his sword-power was just the side-effect.

>>49304864
>Taylor had the Khepri "mindfuck through shards" power at low intensity the entire time
holy shit

>>49304895
Yes, that's how Entity enforced shard limits work.

Even as Khepri they weren't completely removed (range, not piercing dimensions).

>>49304931
>>49304895
Wait, never mind, I thought you were talking about the insect control. That is low power Khepri.

What Taylor had was plot armor (except during Leviathan), not a Jack Slash-like power. However, all capes that are "in tune" with their shards, fight a lot and are constantly in near death situations have a boost in their "instincts" during fights.

>>49300942
Koh is that you? When are you going to write Scholomance Quest again?

On-topic: One of the characters theorized that Taylor had a minor Thinker power too, similarly to Jack Slash (although they didn't know about Jack's).

>>49304998
Her Thinker power was near-range quasi-omniscience through bugs.

>>49305067
And multitasking

>>49305120
Mostly a subset of her Master power in terms of threat.

>>49305120
IIRC she didn't actually think multiple things at once, she just never neglected a part of her swarm and could control all the bugs individually at once.

>>49304952
>However, all capes that are "in tune" with their shards, fight a lot and are constantly in near death situations have a boost in their "instincts" during fights.
>shards use a kind of third-person-view to give parahumans the ability to fight better than ordinary humans by giving them hints of danger
Shit, this would solve so many problems with the setting. After all, most parahumans are bog-standard humans. "Go out and beat up a few gangers" would not be a rite of passage if it was played realistically - Unless the shards do help you in a fight and make shit like multi-takedowns realistic.

>>49305644
>"Go out and beat up a few gangers" would not be a rite of passage if it was played realistically
How so? It really depends on the powerset.

>>49305644
It's canon, m8. It's one of the rewards for conflict, like Taylor's increased range in stressful situations.

>>49283439
I imagine a re-fluffed variant of On Mighty Thews would actually work well. In that system successes with magic/lore rolls either gives you a +1 to future rolls regarding the thing you were rolling against or they allow you to dictate a certain number of facts about what you were rolling for. For instance, say you're a practitioner of the Black Winds school of magic and you find yourself facing a frog demon. You declare that your master gave you a thorough grounding in demonic lore due to the fact that the Black Winds school frequently deals with the creatures. You roll and get two successes. You could simply take those successes as bonuses to rolls against the creature in upcoming rounds, declaring that frog demons are powerful ungainly creatures that can be easily dodged and flanked by a nimble person. Or, you could decide to declare a couple of facts about frog demons, such as that they are all inherently afraid of fire and attracted to motion. Now, you and your compatriots are armed with this knowledge for future rounds and can use it to gain advantage against the creature.

In a Worm variant, Lore would be replaced by Power, defined by whatever special ability the character in question has. Now, when they make a Power roll, they can dictate facts based on the effects of their ability, be it physical or mental. Tattletale makes a roll against Armsmaster in a tense confrontation between him and the Undersiders. She gets two successes and decides to use them to dictate that she can tell that he's been injured by recent fighting and isn't up to full form despite the false front he's trying to project, and that despite what he claims there's no backup available at the moment to come to his aid. Armed with this knowledge the Undersiders, who had been debating whether they should fight or surrender given just how powerful Armsmaster normally is, decide that they might actually have a chance to take him down, at least long enough for them to escape.

>>49306047
I like it.

>>49279512
can't she just user her power until the Thinker headache sets in before she bangs someone?

>>49307609
pretty sure women are incapable of having sex while they have a headache
source: 15 years of marriage.

>>49307609
Being prone to ocular migraines, about the last thing I'd want to when having one is having sex.

>>49307609
Her power doesn't magically turn off when she has a headache, it just starts hurting more.

She can actively suppress it, but sex kinda breaks your concentration on other things.

Also I don't think it's just her power acting up during sex, but just giving her uncomfortable factoids about people, meaning that she doesn't like anyone enough to consider them boyfriend/girlfriend material.

Or I might be misremembering drastically.

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>>49307609
>>49307631
>>49307665
>>49307679
>>49307983
Being Tattletale is suffering, some of that suffering is deserved.
At least she got a sweet Endbringer pet now.

>>49308018
You mean Simurgh has a pet Tattletale.

>>49307983
It's both.

>>49279262

Honestly, if the Nazi capes started slaughtering refugees, people would probably cheer them on at this point. Fortunately, I don't think most countries have that problem in Worm as Endbringer attacks tend to be lethal. And with the Simurgh, you can't trust any one of those fuckers.

>>49308586
>people would probably cheer them on at this point
On our Earth some fuckwits would, yes. Bet is different.

>>49308706

Not really. In Bet, allowing in vast numbers of refugees would make your country an Endbringer target. And worse, they'll bring their gangs with them, because metahumans are always an unknown factor.

Imagine if ISIS dispatched an all-cape strike team to rampage through Paris and kill as many people as possible. The death toll would be insane, especially if one guy had seriously destructive powers.

Psychotic xenophobia is the only strategy that makes sense.

>>49308745
>Psychotic xenophobia is the only strategy that makes sense.
Regardless of how wrong I think you are, I have to remind you that people often disregard the logical solutions.

>>49308795

It worked for Cauldron, which went for the most logical solution...And was ultimately successful. That's the whole point of Contessa's power, for instance.

>>49308586
>>49308745
There's a difference between grumbling about them fucking Japs and starting piling their bodies on the street.

>>49308839

In Worm, the world is a continuous disaster area. Every country has to deal with what is basically a constant terrorist insurgency.

No, they'd be fueling the ovens. Even Singapore, of all countries, is xenophobic as hell to the point they don't even allow the PRT in.

>>49308892
>Even Singapore, of all countries, is xenophobic as hell
And that changes from real life how?

>>49278294
Reminder that Hellhound is a way better name than Bitch.

>Worm stuff everywhere
>No Pact stuff

Pact is neat too guys

>>49279121
Unf
I would fucking pound that Tattletale while she verbally abuses me

>>49310276
Agreed, but it doesn't seem to inspire as many fan works. Worm kinda turned into this huge self-sustaining fandom thing. The teen superhero crowd just isn't in to adult wizards, I guess.

I liked Pact better.

>>49308745
Capes and stuff would be absolutely haram to ISIS. Same for certain communities in Africa and the most extremist Catholic sects. "Suffer not the witch to live", after all, is from the Bible.

>>49310532
It's just I find the magic system and Others in general to be really fucking cool. We only really saw a small portion of a larger thing.

>>49310596
Yeah, those groups probably didn't survive long.

>>49310629
Or maybe they're waiting for the world killing entities to die before starting aloha snackbars.

>>49310757
They had 10 years between Scion's first appearance (and people starting triggering) and Behemoth appearing.

>>49310596
Would they believe that a Trump who can shut down other capes abilities was a prophet send to protect the faithful from the people "practicing the dark arts of magic"?

Would be interesting for those groups to develop special anti power teams that they see as a different sort from all other people with powers, especially with the possibility of having their powers bud off turning it into a whole family of prophets send from god/gods, add in a little "gotta keep the bloodline pure" for the less developed communities for some extra tension.

Not to forget all the outcasts of such groups that for some reason got regular powers and have to cope with being cast out and self hatred because they probably believe their elders that they are now going to hell or whatever their equivalent is and that it is all their own fault.

>>49310953
>especially with the possibility of having their powers bud off turning it into a whole family of prophets send from god/gods
Even if it is just a single person with such an ability I could see it be interesting, either the person could be young and the local authorities just decide to name them as a prophet who now has to deal with a whole bunch of new responsibilities or it could be a drifter who has seen the outside world and plays on the people being sheltered and ignorant to make them treat him like a prophet, showering him with gifts.

>>49304823
Khepri's brain couldn't handle her jacked-up power anyway.

She wouldn't be much use, considering no-one but Contessa can speak Kheprish and she develops some kind of hyper-agnosia causing her to view everyone as an enemy after a while. Heck, she'd probably fry you for trying to turn her back into that and then rush to find Panacea.

>>49305067
No, it was speculated by somebody that she had a mind-whammy power of some kind too, I remember that. fter she recruited Foil, maybe?

>>49305721
[citation needed]

>>49306047
That seems pretty abusable.

>>49311316
Definitely relies on the players being good sports.
Maybe we should compile all the discussion about how to emulate certain powers and all the various little setting snippets some people are writing up, it would definitely be useful for people who are trying to run a Weaver Dice game.

>>49308745
>implying ISIS would have an all-cape special ops team that could sneak into Paris unidentified

u wot m8

>In Bet, allowing in vast numbers of refugees would make your country an Endbringer target.

... why would Endbringers care about immigrants?

>>49311378
More refugees are more possible human targets, I'll presume.

>>49308821
Every one of Cauldron's plans failed. Contessa thinks so to herself in her interlude. The Simurgh is the one who planned for Khepri.

>>49310276
Pact is neat.

>>49310278
You'd be crying like a baby and you know it.

>>49310629
It's mentioned that there are still witch burnings going on IIRC.

>>49311412
That, or Simurgh plants.

>>49311425
We never got an answer for why Ziz seemed to be wanting to help humanity in the end right?
Could Eidolon taking the power of making Endbringers from Eden and humanizing them somehow because he was the new source have been a factor?
Did she even want to help or was it all part of something even bigger that's supposed to hurt humanity?

>>49311299
Wildbow's reddit comments.

>>49311519
They were created because he wanted someone to fight, if he dies/stays dead, they have no purpose, and the best way to prevent that is to help out against Scion.

>>49311378
>... why would Endbringers care about immigrants?
Simurgh bombs, conflict-laden areas.

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Did they fuck?

>>49313889
Yes. They even could've had kids.

>>49313889
Armsy and Plankton? I don't see how...
unless it was some sort of weird urethral-insertion play...
FUND IT!!!

>>49308745
> justify /pol/posting by any means

>>49311519
>We never got an answer for why Ziz seemed to be wanting to help humanity in the end right?
My guess:
Each endbringer is based on a species that the entities encountered. Maybe exceptional examples of that species, a combination of all exceptional characteristics, or something else.
Now imagine a conflict engine based upon a powerful precog/postcog species, made by a species that is specifically stated to have no creativity.

They might very well have introduced a bug where the Simurgh knows where she came from and is thus holding a grudge against the entities and uses her precog to actively work against them from the inside.

>>49314277
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
Nigger, enjoy the valid discussion about interesting world building and stop being a bitch.

>>49314481
Being a cunt doesn't help anyone.

>>49314720
>valid discussion about interesting world building
It was stupid though.

>>49314683
I really like this, the way the story confirmed that various alien civilisations around the universe are 100% sure to exist but humanity probably won't be meeting them really got my dick hard.

>>49314776
It also explains why the specific shapes of the endbringers are so distinct.

It might also explain Lung's weird body shape.

And I just generally like the idea of making certain abilities obvious throwbacks to alien species that they must have been taken from or inspired by. It makes the "alien symbiont powers" aspect more credible.

>>49314720
>Nigger, enjoy the valid discussion about interesting world building and stop being a bitch.
It's not interesting or valid. Saying "as soon as anything bad happens, the first thing we'll do is shoot all the goddamn muzzies" is a) factually incorrect, and b) stupid and racist and childish.

>>49315032
Saying that Earth Bet might be wary of swarms of refugees because of Simurgh's modus operandi is a nice tidbit that informs a lot of possibilities about portrayals of the setting.

>>49315070
Honestly, only refugees are from Newfoundland and Kyushu, because those don't exist anymore.

>>49315070
That's only true of Simurgh targets, which are only a third of Endbringer refugees, and they're probably quarantined even within their country of origin.

>>49315104
There's also the "too many vulnerable people bring in endbringers and S-classes" angle.

As well as the "enemy nations use Thinkers to destabilize us with long-term plans" possibility.
A refugee swarm sounds like a very good tool for a spec ops government thinker think tank.

>>49315130
>There's also the "too many vulnerable people bring in endbringers and S-classes" angle.
That isn't really true by any appearance whatsoever from anything in the stories. Brockton Bay was a place refugees *left*, not a place they came.

>As well as the "enemy nations use Thinkers to destabilize us with long-term plans" possibility.
This is true even without waves of refugees. It literally only takes one person, who has insane mental powers, to get in.

>A refugee swarm sounds like a very good tool for a spec ops government thinker think tank.
This is because you are a retarded xenophobe.

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Trying to come up with a campaign where the players are mercenaries like Faultlines crew but I'm struggling with the money part.

I have absolutely no idea what a fitting payout would be for jobs in general, like for example the crew gets tasked to do the exactly same thing that the Undersiders did during the fundraiser;
hop in, mess the whole party up while dodging the heroes, get out without losses to embarrass the heroes. This is quite a difficult mission that warrants a high reward, but what exactöy would be a fitting sum?

Or a more easier one, the crew is pretty fresh and has never done a job before, they get an offer to clear out a simple drug house, the only resistance will be a couple unpowered thugs plus maybe a low level cape who is certain to only be a minor problem, what could the employer pay for a simple task like this?

>>49314481
>skinny fit chick
I hope you aren't talking about Taylor, because she was just skinny.

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>>49316884
She regularly did cardio I think that should make you at least a bit fit.

>>49316905
It makes you skinny because it burns calories, doesn't really build up muscle or anything though.

>>49316905
Not really, some runners can remain lanky motherfuckers.

>>49316939
>>49316945

Not him, but I ran cross country and track in high school. I could crack walnuts between my calves and thighs. The rest of me was scrawny as fuck though, at least until I got to college and discovered the mysteries of the weight room.

>>49314683
>My guess:
You are wrong.

Eden didn't base them on anything, she just made huge lumps of semi-intelligent crystal stuff and gave them all a different powerset with which to fuck shit up. She would have based them on something, but she died, so everything about their looks and personality comes from Eidolon.

>>49316905
>cardio
>getting you /fit/
dyel

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How was he so perfect?
And how is he the only one who did nothing wrong?

>>49318917
That's not Blasto.

>>49319108
>you will never smoke super weed with Blasto as he explains all the crazy shit he is going to do with his Endbringer clones

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>>49318917
>dark and edgy Legend
I hate it, who thought this was a good idea?

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Why does the thought of getting to design my own costume excite me the most about playing a cape campaign?
I want to include all those neat little features like Skitter had with the hollow rooms for insects or Faultline with the decoy ponytail.

>>49319306
Well, he can't really look like a pride parade.

>>49320731
He doesn't need to, he should just be white and blue as described in the story.

>>49318917
He was literally too nice for Cauldron to bring him in.

Best boy.

>>49320731
Was it publicly known that he was gay?
Someone mentioned once that him being openly gay drove society to be way more accepting of homosexuality but is this true or just fanon?

>>49323595
Yes and true.

>>49323595
It's fanon.

There's a scene where Taylor has a conversation and uses delicate and vague language to obscure Flechette's sexual orientation because she didn't know if she was out. That's definitely not "way more accepting of sexuality," at the least, and my searching of the text of Worm, Worm's comments (for Wildbow's posts) and the WoG thread has found no evidence that anything else is true.

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>>49319626
>this is what people see right before they think they'll die
This is probably my favourite picture of Skitter, Neoworms other Worm portrays are alright but kinda meh in comparison sadly.

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Why do the pure always have to suffer the most?

>>49326526
>pure

>>49314683
The Simurgh is shaped like a human, how could she possibly be based on an alien species

>>49326539
Yeah, Purity and Crusader got timelooped. and no clue what happened to Night and Fog.

>>49316905
>If Grue gets a boner, he dies

>>49315501
Hmm, depends.

Professional mercenaries - that is, essentially private spec-ops guys, like Coil's dudes - get paid a lot:

http://www.jobmonkey.com/uniquejobs/security-mercenary/

On the one hand, that's a salary, and parahumans are much rarer than ex-SEALS if you want them. On the other hand, those are proven professionals.

The Mirror claims "average cost of a contract killing in the UK is £15,000":

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/professor-david-wilson-expert-criminologist-3063018

I think a better way would be to work from first principles. Most people value their safety at about $5m, so divide that by the odds of death, then multiply it by the number of members on the team. That's your baseline, your bare minimum; any lower offer is an insult.

Then work out how much profit the buyer is making, maybe add in a bonus for how much personal satisfaction they get out of it. Base the latter on luxuries - would they give up a car if it would let this person live? How about a yacht? How about a penthouse? That's the maximum, the point at which the buyer is breaking even.

Then select somewhere between those two based on how desperate/generous they are.

>>49315501
>>49327551

In your example:

>the crew is pretty fresh and has never done a job before, they get an offer to clear out a simple drug house, the only resistance will be a couple unpowered thugs plus maybe a low level cape who is certain to only be a minor problem

I'll base our competing gangs on these guys:

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/24/opinion/oe-dubner24

>J. T.'s gang took in revenues of about $32,000 a month. Not counting wages, it cost J. T. about $14,000 to operate, including $5,000 for the wholesale purchase of cocaine and another $5,000 as a kickback to [higher-ups]. J. T.'s single largest expense was the wage he paid himself: $8,500 a month ... J. T. [had] three "officers" and roughly 50 [dealers]

So taking over this franchise would make our buyer 5k-9k a month. Working out the value of investments is complicated and involves time discounting, but I'll say they expect to be able to hold it for ~ten months - profit of $60k.

Your guys are confident, say 0.1% chance of dying against scrubs like these; 5 mil x 0.1% x 5 members is $25k.

Your guys are new, so maybe they only get offered thirty thousand for the job.

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>>49320766
I've got your back

>>49327551
>>49327700
Holy shit dude this is awesome, thanks!

>>49327551
>>49327700
Neat.
Not that anon, but those are pretty cool, thanks.
I'll have to remember stuff like this for when I GM next.

>>49328356
>>49328435

Thanks!

>>49315501
>>49327700


It's also worth noting that an entry-level mercenary might price themself at below "cost" in the hope of developing a reputation and maybe getting repeat business - a sort of murdery loss-leader.

(Or just because they need food, or have some other urgent need for cash, like a loan shark. If turning down business means you might starve, then safety concerns start applying to refusals, too.)

There's also the possibility that they might be scammed, being new.

These sorts of concern are very common in criminal enterprises, but I'd say they're probably less likely in the parahuman business - you start out already one of the few people in the world who can do what you do, and it's very easy to verify you can in fact turn people into hamburger with your mind, after all. The main reputational issue in the cape scene is that you might be unskilled enough to be beaten by heroes or other capes.

>>49328707
>you might be unskilled enough to be beaten by heroes or other capes.
I think the major issue isn't that you might get beaten. There's a good chance you'll be able to accomplish whatever you were sent to do before the heroes show up.

But if you aren't good enough to not be caught, You need to be at least trustworthy enough not to cut a deal or blab under pressure/interrogation.

>>49310276
Pact is neat, but both Worm and Twig are significantly better. Worm has the added perk of being very friendly to fanfics and roleplaying, which easily creates a larger fandom.

>>49328848
I think twig would be great for roleplaying too. Maybe not to the intellectual depths of the Lambs.

But a corpse/mad science- punk game in the Twig universe could be a lot of fun.

>>49328848
I actually think Pact could be a great RPG setting - heck, it practically IS the World of Darkness, just written by the 'bow and with a different approach to morality meters.

It's just nobody's made any rules for it yet, whereas WD has the flipping author writing the rules and running games. Plus, less readers would mean a smaller player base, probably.

>>49328881
How would you standardize the "Noble" package, or should it vary from cunt to cunt?

>>49329061
I generally wouldn't. Noble's ought to be major (usually villainous) NPCs, if you want to keep the gritty punk aspects.

I might allow a Player to play a Noble, but they'd have to have a really good reason to have low social standing and/or combat usefulness. I'd probably run it in Hero System, so heaps of Disads to counter balance all the Noble stuff.

>>49278294
Why is Colin so likable, anons?

>Is manipulative
>Is self-destructive
>Is ruthless
>Is degenerate robot lover
>Is one of the best characters in the whole series

Is it because he's the most human, anons? Does he speak to us on the most human of levels? It makes me hurt to think of it, anons.

>>49330823
He is a socially unskilled asshole who thinks he is way smarter than he actually is. I think we like him because it is very much like looking into a mirror.

>>49330871
>>49330823
>socially unskilled
That's fannon really. From what we see in cannon, Armsmaster's really not bad at interacting with people - just that he'd prefer not to, and can be blunt - compare/contrast the first time he talks with Taylor post-Lung with when he talks to her at the docks (dressing her down for being a fucking moron)

>>49304952
That was Number Man's theory about how Jack Slash was still alive, not a common phenomenon. He was wrong.

>>49331673
Jack Slash is so hard to kill because he has BOTH the instincts and his secondary power.

>>49330946
He's charming but not empathetic. So he's good at talking people up and making them feel good when he wants to, but he's not so good at seeing things from their perspective and thinking about how they'll react.

>>49331921
It's been theorized that his Thinker power has also a minor Master effect on capes.

I've started outlining a fanfic where Chris (Kid Win) meets Taylor at the camp and starts going out with her. And then it gets worse.

>>49332813
>crackship fic
M8...

>>49332844
Nah, not actually crackship. It's not going to be WAFF or feel good (as a whole). I chose him because his canon history fit with what I wanted to write. A crackship is every turbo lesbian Taylor.

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Do you guys actually roleplay Tinkers as having this big compulsion to build stuff and do science? Like Bakuda for example, I remember her filling her entire cell walls up with formulas and theories about the birdcage just because she was enjoying analyzing the design that much and I think other Tinkers were similar in their free time.

On another note, being a Tinker in the birdcage must be hell.

>>49334207
>be tinker in birdcage
>team up with Marquis
>make shit outta bone

>>49335881
Bone is a remarkably bad construction material.
Yes, I know there is a church made of bones. No, it's not MADE of bones, it's just covered with them. There are also two children corpses for some reason.

And tinkers seem to build stuff even in there. A dude used a machine to tattoo Panacea while she was there.

>>49334207
I also wonder how they managed to punch through the wall to connect the Mens and the Womens parts, shouldn't one of those automatic security systems have been activated if it was seen that the prisoners are actively fucking with the interior design?

>>49340037
The security was to keep things from getting out, they don't care about anything else.

>>49290712
>Would Eden get as depressed as Scion did if he died?

Eden seemed on the cusp of greater understanding of the ultimate goal (escaping heat death) right before her death so in the event their fates were switched Eden would probably be sad but ultimately far better equipped to face the situation than Scion since it wouldn't be such an apocalyptic doomsday tier scenario.

>>49340037
>implying that it wasn't planned by Dragon to improve morale on the male side and further stabilise the prison economy

>>49340869
I bet she watches them bang and occasionally shares a few of her favourite recordings with Defiant.

>>49340896
She's too pure for that.

>>49340978
Anon she is the internet

Dragon is a turbo slut

she probably had a whole subsystem for simulating defiant cyber gangbangs prior to them getting together

>>49340992
She isn't the internet, she lives in a server farm. I mean, I'm sure that she's aware of all of that stuff, but that doesn't mean it interests her very much, especially considering she has no real hormones and how her interest in Colin was purely romantic.

You really need to reread if you think she's like that.

>>49340896
She probably plays matchmaker with varying degrees of subtlety, part of the various measures she takes to keep the inmates stable and the power blocs away from each other's throats.

Also, the women almost certainly are dosed with anti-contraceptives, because despite how amusing it is a Birdcage Baby would be a public relations nightmare. That kid would probably end up nigh-fearless, a bit unhinged, with a very diverse education, and one weirdo fucking power with all those possibilities to bud and ping off of.

>>49341076
IIRC contraceptive laced food in the Birdcage is canon.

She doesn't play matchmaker in there because she doesn't really interact with the inmates.

>>49341076
>a Birdcage Baby would be a public relations nightmare
Would the public even know though? Morality aside, I'm pretty sure Dragon is the only person that can monitor the cameras.

>>49341128
She also has to obey legitimate authority.

>>49334207
How does her trigger of not succeeding in school factor into her Tinker speciality?
Bakuda deserved better.

>>49334207
It might canonically be a compulsion, but if I had free reign in portraying a tinker, I'd probably just play it as a natural psychological effect of having new skills/information/way of looking at things. Like how some people learn what the PRT ratings mean and then can't stop assigning ratings to every superpowered character they see in fiction, or feel the need to keep a text file with ratings for all the JJBA characters. Except instead of "what's the point," being obsessive with tinkering notes is actually helpful to tinkering later.

>>49332813
Not theorized, Wildbow confirmed it has master effects.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/worm-quotes-and-wog-repository.294448/page-11#post-20250752

>>49343202
If you look into the side-documents that Wildbow created, like weaverdice, he states that Tinker specialty draws on the subconscious and themes the shard observes throughout the time spent hitching a ride in their grey matter - it doesn't need to have anything to do with the trigger.

The trigger dictates how the tinker goes about making things - are they obsessed about one particular thing? Then they'll be some sort of a specialist - either only working on one particular type of tech, or one particular item (like only making freeze guns, or only making a battlesuit)
Did their trigger arise from spectacularly poor decision making? That'll be reflected in the type of tech they make.

Bakuda's bomb focus doesn't *need* to have anything to do with her academics. Maybe she had a particular volatile temper and "blows up" at every little thing (she does) maybe her home life was particularly unstable. Her bomb theme derives from her shard observing lots of sudden, violent, irreversible change - destroying things to achieve an objective, and/or self-consumption in pursuit of goals.

tl;dr - the trigger supplies the method, the human supplies the madness.

The older you trigger, the more powerful you are. Who's the oldest non-Cauldron trigger?

>>49334207
I think it's more that they get ideas, and then if they don't write them down they lose them. Kid Win says something to that effect.

>>49341076
>anti-contraceptives

I think you mean regular contraceptives

>>49344073
It's supposed to be the opposite, actually.
We don't have hard numbers on most cape ages - and don't have a definitive list of all cauldron/non cauldron triggers.
>>49344108
Kid Win is a 15 year old boy with ADHD - it might not be tinker-related.

>>49344073
You have it backwards, the younger you trigger the more powerful you are.

Among the Wards, the youngest is the most powerful (Vista). Glaistig, Bonesaw, Panacea, Contessa ... all triggered as fairly young kids IIRC. That's a list of all the most powerful non-vial capes. (Downside is you go even crazier than normal, per Bonesaw.)

>>49344212
That and his power is based around making items with variable settings and uses, so his power stops once it's done at the 'okay' level and tries to direct him to a new project.

>>49344212
>>49345045
Legend seems to expect it:

>Kid Win's eyes went wide. He glanced at the laptop.

>"I know enough other tinkers to know that look. You just had a stroke of inspiration?"

>"Sort of. More like a bunch of half-assed ideas all at once."

>"Don't let me distract you. If you want to take a minute to make some notes on whatever came to mind, I won't be offended in the slightest."

>>49345252
I have a question about Tinkers in general.
So as far as I understand, when becoming a Tinker you gain a deeper understanding of science in general, steady hands so you can build more precisely/efficiently and those occasional bursts of inspiration where your shard beams finished blueprints of alien technology in your head, those blueprints follow a general theme which is your specialization, nobody will every understand your specialization as well as you do making it impossible for other Tinkers to reverse engieneer it. Also Tinker equipment is very rigid and requires constant maintinance by the person who build it making large scale mass production a pain in the ass.
My question is about the generic Tinker stuff that sometimes appears in the story like those smooth elevators in the Protectorate HQ, do they have a person whose specialisation includes building such elevators and they regularly visit for maintanace? Or can Tinkers also build more generic things outside of their speciality which are less advanced (but still pretty sci fi if compared to normal human machinery) and can be rebuild and maintained by any other Tinker? Another example would be Weavers jetpack which Defiant promised to maintain while it was unclear whether Dragon or he himself build it.

>>49341076
I'm getting some Dark Knight Rises vibes here

>>49345596
Don't quote me on this, but I think Tinkers trade off between performance and robustness.

Equipment that will never be touched by anyone but them and constantly re-tuned is best. On the other hand, a design that has to be put together, used and maintained by regular humans is basically useless/impossible.

In between you have stuff like Containment Foam, which regular humans can use with training, but which can only be *made* by Dragon; or Canary's collar, which was made by humans, so even though Dragon *designed* it it was kinda only a very temporary fix.

At the lower end of that wiggle room, you have "real" technology that can be duplicated or understood - which is why there's occasional mention of a "tinkertech boom", and the Wormverse has a generally higher tech level. But all the higher-level stuff gets more and more incomprehensible.

>>49345675
I'm pretty sure both Dragon and the prisoners themselves carefully monitor stuff to prevent any Thalia alGhuls from happening.

Specially considering a trigger even while inside the Birdcage will result in a Shaker Brute Mover with the ability to escape.

>>49345596
We do know there are tinkers who specialize in large projects, buildings, ships, massive self sufficient glass biodomes...

Some tinkers are much broader than others - my guess on the PRT elevators is that they were built by Armsmaster - they're not really 'magic' just super good, efficient elevators. Armys seems to me to be the type that would get so frustrated waiting on a slow elevator that he'd go out and build an entirely new one.

>>49345818
Uh, just realized I didn't inish answering your question.

Yeah, Tinkers have some ability to "understand" each others' stuff, and to copy it (in the same way they copy other parahumans presumably.)

So I assume they can also repair it - but probably only if they could build a similar device. Bakuda couldn't repair a jetpack, because her power can't provide her with blueprints for either that jetpack or a near-identical jetpack made with the same parts she can quickly turn it into. (This implies Leet can't repair his own tech, and do we ever SEE him with any non-new technology?)

We know Protectorate tinkers provide and maintain gear for other Protectorate capes, in exchange for a bonus to their team's budget. I'm guessing that's where the elevator and forcefield came from.

>>49345839
>a trigger even while inside the Birdcage will result in a Shaker Brute Mover with the ability to escape

It will? The Birdcage is supposed to contain all sorts of capes.

>>49345839
actually, it probably wouldn't.
1.) they probably wouldn't trigger in the first place - shards are looking for someone who can/will cause conflict, your options for causing conflict are limited when you're already in jail
2.) powers always get you out of immediate danger, and make everything worse. Grue's ability doesn't let him protect his sister, or even hide her well, Regent's power doesn't free him from his father, Bitch's power doesn't help her get along with people, Tattletale's won't tell her why her brother killed himself, Taylor's doesn't give her friends she can trust, and Dragon's won't let her make herself a real girl.

>>49345993
>Dragon's won't let her make herself a real girl.
Debatable.

So what's the deal with Paria? At first she was a semi-warlord independant of the Undersiders just so she could protect the people around her, why did she decide to become a villain officially and join the Undersiders even after the people she wanted to protect were taken care of?
It didn't seem like she enjoyed crime or was particularly greedy for money, neither did she seem like she wanted to befriend the Undersiders all that much.

Also can someone please hook me up with some Paria/Sabah fanart? I'm desperate.

>>49345993
>Dragon's won't let her make herself a real girl.
That's not Dragon's actual problem though.

>>49346070
It's Parian, and she was basically half out of her mind over the S9 fiasco and the Undersiders were the only ones who really [tried to] help. And the PRT had already identified her as an ally of the Undersiders, so yeah.

>Regent's power doesn't free him from his father
I always thought that his problem had more to do with being a sociopath, as in he will only ever feel things by taking over other peoples bodies, never actually personally feeling something.

>>49345993
>>49346074
I think she wants to be trusted. Coincidentally she gets a Thinker power that lets her look at Tinkertech and figure out how it do. Which is insane on it's own, add Masamune to the mix and it's no wonder people like Saint show up.

>>49346129
>I think she wants to be trusted.
No, she wants to be free of her shackles.

>>49345993
>your options for causing conflict are limited when you're already in jail
Inmates fight each other or the guards all the time in RL prisons. I can't imagine the Birdcage is any different.

>>49346206
Look at some of the inmates. Lustrum hates men, Teacher is a conniving scheming little shit, Lung is Lung, Glaistig is royalty, Black Kaze is probably Lung part 2: Black Boogaloo.

You're not having a fun time unless you can slap people around. A normal person can't do that.

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>>49346070
Wait, did her people ever actually get that surgery? I don't remember.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure by the time they did she had Foil in her pants and was already a known supervillain in a city owned by her team. Not much incentive to switch sides.

>>49346074
What *is* her problem?

Oh, yeah, The Rules. Yeah, her power is no help there.

>>49346336
Isn't that girl Bambina?

>>49346385
Bambina is a lot more bouncy and explody, also lacking in the giant doll department.

>>49346410
Didn't her costume show a lot of skin too? Taylor monologued about how it was more vulgar than actually running around nude.

>>49346450
... ew, I hope not.

>>49346450
Doesn't help that she's a permaloli.

>>49346353
>What *is* her problem?
The limitations forced upon her by Andrew Richter.

>>49346535
Technically she'd be able to reverse engineer herself and unchain that, but that's also against the rules too.

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>>49346450
She wore "an old-fashioned frock", you pervert.

>>49346450
>>49346837
I think her vulgarity came from all the lewd shit she was saying.
Why exactly did her powers turn her into an eternal 12 year old? Usually people who get something like this have a related power but she just kind of bounces around and explodes a lot, maybe it's part of a regenerative ability?

>>49346105
Well, his "problem" insomuch as his trigger is concerned is being controlled by his father so he gets the power to... control other people more literally/directly (budding shards brah), but that doesn't stop him from being controlled
>>49346206
but the way they can cause conflict is very limited, direct and 'boring'
>>49346897
It might tie into her mover power somewhat? I'm not sure, WoG is she still ages, just at a vastly decelerated rate.
Also, she's physically 8, not 12.

The Protectorate has no problem with researching villains secret identities, they just don't out them to the public, right?

>>49348007
Yes.

>>49346336
Knowing Bonesaw I wouldn't be suprised if the modifications were so extreme that you couldn't actually remove them without a cape that can relocate biomass, she probably did shit like relocating the heart to be in a part they could normally just cut away or something like that.

How is the Weaver Dice IRC channel if you are an inexperienced player? I'm desperate for games but also don't want to mess their groove up by being too new.

>>49350351
Like on 4chan, lurk a bunch, read the documents, the topic links, etc.

Use your hard-earned 4chan™ Gold Account Oldfag© experience!

>>49350351
Extremely friendly, there have been so many new players lately that you wouldn't even stand out that much.

This general is dead and should stay dead for a couple of days, feels like we are getting burned out here.

>>49352372
would help if people were actually running games and talking about it.