What if Elves had guns?

They'd find some way to tie them to arrow shafts and fire them from a bow

>>49276706
They would probably be lower caliber but higher grain to take advantage of their dex bonuses that they get in EVERY SYSTEM EVER.

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>>49276706
You idiot. We've all got guns!

>>49276706
You mean guns and no trigger discipline?

>>49276758

how do you know he's not aiming at something on the ceiling?

Everyone else would get guns pretty quickly. And that becomes a problem- if a couple goblins with one shot rifles actually have a chance of killing an elf, then elves are going to go extinct. Because goblins can bounce back from near total extermination, and the elves just can't. If one elf is the equal of 100 goblins, the goblins have 101 or more to throw at each elf.

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>>49276706
Shadowrun

>>49276786
Naw, each elf would just become an action movie star and all the gobbos would become your typical bad guy jobbers who forget to fire their guns or seem to literally shoot around their targets.

Humans have the potential to go either way.

>>49276786
A couple goblins always have a chance of killing an elf, they just have too bad hand-eye coordination for it to matter. They'll still need to mass formation against a race that tends to either be magic or extra stealthy.

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>>49276706
You know, this is something I always don't get when someone presents some of those "modern humans vs fantasy races" settings. Maybe elves would slowly adopt them, but as soon as they see their advantages they must fucking love them and be some of the best shots out there.
>What? The humans need to put scopes on their rifles? What's wrong with their eyes?
>And they need a second guy for who also keeps track of the wind? That's what we have those ears for!
Last part is headcanon

>>49276830
Shadowrun elves make really, really awesome gunbunnies, and in theory D&D elves with their added perception (esp. 5e wood elves) would be even better.

Guerilla in a wood elf forest would be vietnam against people who can literally find natural camo anywhere.

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>>49276706
Has nobody ever noticed that the deadliest sniper of WWII had pointed ears?

>>49276935
He also spoke quenya tbqh

>>49276771
The guns don't even aim at the same point in space. So he's ether super competent and tracks two targets at once or seriously inept. And between the two I'd go with the inept as the more probable one.

>>49276935
That's not elf, that's changeling, can't even keep the straight face...

Mods please set up an /elf/ board for the elfaboos.

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>recognizing each other's strengths, the dwarves and elves form treaties, with elven sniper contingents living on top of mountains while the dwarves live below them and in the valleys
>elves dominate open field and forest engagements, while dwarves dominate siege warfare

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>>49277039
So, it's finally time to exterminate the humans, isn't it?

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>>49276706
It's a well known fact that Elves can have guns OR they can have pants, never both.

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I imagine Elves would have guns like this shit. Super complex, super ornate, gives them way more firepower than their opponents beecause Elf gunsmiths makes the best guns bar none.

>>49277016
questfag detected

>>49277203
In early modern fantasy, I tend to have Elves running around with wheellocks well past their end-date. IRL the swedish army tried to get the funds to keep making the into the 18th century but the sheer cost was deemed too much, but they were largely superior to any mechanism until the capslock (low chances of hangfire, better handling of shitty weather, etc).

Weird innovations I put down more as a dwarf thing.

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>>49277203
Dwarves would probably go in the opposite direction.

>>49276992
That's because he got shot in the jaw with an anti-tank rifle.

He then sniped the man who shot him.

You don't fuck with The White Death.

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>>49276981
Not to mention that dual wielding anything has never been a good idea.
>>49277016
pic related

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>>49276706
What if the traditional games board had threads about traditional games?

>>49277423
>elfgames are ot on the elfgames board
t. dwarf

>>49277459
elves != games

>>49277478
>elves with guns isn't a game

>>49277490
>life is a game, fantasy is reality.

>>49277478
>discussing setting ideas and pre-existing settings with the same idea is bad
You should go back to /qst/

>>49276935
That is a Nosferatu

>>49277558
>forgetting your medicine
No really, elves with guns are scary as shit.

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>>49276935

>>49277577
My cousin Alwistiel just joined an elf gang and they're the terror of the neighborhood.

>>49276706
They'd all die because guns in OP's pic is owned by one bald angry gringo albino

>>49276935
>WWII

Man I'm gonna smack you.

>>49276981
>47
>inept

>>49277608
>picking up litter
>playing soft music on lyres

Wow what a fucking menace.

>>49277608
Well then arm yourself so those dirty elves don't shoot at you.

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>>49276706
>What if Elves had guns?

>>49277633
So, that litter stays there, why are you against the natural order of things?

>>49276706
On a slightly related note, I've always wondered why guns are so harshly looked upon in fantasy settings where highly intelligent creatures like elves and master craftsmen like dwarves exist.
They can unravel the fabrics of the universe to tap into magic but the prospect of them coming up with the idea of a firearm is too much?

I'm not talking fully automatic machine guns and M2s but things more crude like >>49277203 and >>49277354 would make total sense, even if the people capable of manufacturing firearms and ammunition are more suited to magic the notion that it could or would never happen in fantasy will never fly with me unless a specific setting has reasons for it.

In all likeliness guns when compared to magic would be the equivalent of crossbows to longbows; sure a trained bowman will be more effective than someone with a crossbow, but you can give someone a crossbow and they'll be able to use it right away.
Not everyone can use magic or has access to enchanted items, so firearms would make sense if someone had the sophistication to make them.

>>49277728
People just like to keep things seperate. Some don't though. Warhammer Fantasy has had guns and magic coexist for a long long time. It's just that just about everything in that setting is hardcore enough that guns are largely less effective as a whole compared to real life. Magic is also more wild and powerful when compared to other fantasy settings.

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>>49276706
>What if Elves had guns?

Do yours not?

>>49276981
Considering that's probably a cropped picture of Agent 47, I wouldn't assume anything of the sort.

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>>49276706
better question

what kind of guns would elves have?

>>49277815
Some fine ornate shit that looks like it was perfected but it's outdated by the rest of society.

>>49277728
>In all likeliness guns when compared to magic would be the equivalent of crossbows to longbows; sure a trained bowman will be more effective than someone with a crossbow, but you can give someone a crossbow and they'll be able to use it right away.
The thing is that's really not how it worked. The usual base for this comparison is wrong in that bows died because of artillery and how dependent their battlefield usage is on the enemy being led by morons. The moment the french started replacing their leaders, they started tearing through shit.

Meanwhile, steppe nomads largely adopted guns and loved them, only one people of horse archers was left in Russia by the 18th century, and they were fucking useless against Napoleon.

Also the japanese kept archery as an elegant sport even after the samurai started to adopt the teppo for themselves and not just peasant levies.

>>49276706
They would be masterworked and engraved with filigree silver, each round hand-loaded by artisans. With one you could shoot the wings off a gnat across a windy field.

Meanwhile humanity makes nuggets and shitty elven knockoffs by the barrel load, and starts shouting in Cyrillic.

>>49277815
They'd be fuddy as hell, probably the primary market for either rare, fancy guns, or still using levers in the 21st century.

>I'm sorry, human, but nothing has yet happened to surpass the accuracy of the Lugereleth as a handgun

>>49277815
The first thing I think of is silenced, longer range rifles that can pick off targets without much trace.
Maybe multiple, single shot concealed firearms for use in emergency situations.

I had an idea for a character not too long ago, an elf whose parents expected him to be great at magic but is totally inept and refuses to let his house down, so he learned alchemy and created a staff that is basically a long shotgun, then created all kinds of shells that imitate popular spells. Everyone thinks he's a powerful sorceror but he's really just a SHOTGUN WIZARD

>>49277815
>>49277830
I concur with the highly ornate shit. The type of gun I imagine them using is either an arquebus if you want oldstyle gun, or if you want more modern, M1 garand or some late 1800s shotgun.

If you want a pistol, give them a classy single-shot model.

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>>49277815
finely crafted antiquated style weapons that fire arcane bolts

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>>49276706
*fwooosh*
WAIT A MINUTE

>>49277902
>M1 Garand
>ornate
No man, we gotta go with a Winchester.

>>49277623
What's wrong?

>>49278032
>Finnish war against Russia
>World War II
That's why.

>>49278045
The Winter War was part of the Second World War.

>>49278045
Is this some weird finnish meme that you weren't Hitler's left flank at Leningrad?

>>49278058
The Winter War happened during the Second World War but it isn't part of World War Two.

>>49278086
They were?

>>49278086
>>49278152
No one denies affiliation with Germany, it's just that we never went through with the advancement to russian territory properly.
A mistake

>>49278223
>implying Finland wouldn't just have been turned into a SSR if it had tried

>>49277815
If they have a WW1-esque techbase, I'd say they favour a rifle similar to the French Berthier.
Three shots means you can't really miss, and Elves have a lot of time to practice not missing

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>>49277096

>>49277830
Elves are rarely behind to a high degree when it comes to technology.

Tolkien's elves were pretty much just as good at dwarves when it came to crafting armour, weapons, etc. If they made guns, they'd just make good guns.

That said, I do like the idea of backwoods forest elves with modded AKs (like that one in Elysium... Christ that film was so disappointing but had such amazing weapon designs).

>>49278088
>Began three months after the beginning of WW2
>Started as a direct result of the events that began WW2
>Created a series of events that effected strategic decision making of both sides during WW2

While technically it was a separate conflict, functionally it was a part of WW2. The argument for no is just as strong as the argument for yes, the Soviet-Japanese War being another example of this conundrum.

A friend of mine had the evolution of guns in their PF setting as:

- Dwarves are the first to invent guns, in the form of cannons and blunderbusses, but the very fact they have these things goes unnoticed for hundreds of years until they have to fight a surface war.

- Human smiths immediately set to work creating their own replicas. Initially they create highly unstable but cheap to mass produce muskets, after a few years the artisans of a few organisations finally manage to produce repeating firearm designs, of which fewer than two dozen exist in the setting, the overwhelming majority of which are light crew served weapons.

The ELVES meanwhile, taking cues from the success of the Dwarves, put their heads together and invented rifling, optics, and silencers, reasoning that guns were much better as tools of assassination than honest warfare, and indeed it was better to never even admit to owning any. They own about a dozen prototype guns that are man-portable and can hit targets further than sixty metres reliably, which none of the other guns can match.

Each one is completely unique and builds on the capabilities of its predecessors in concept only. Each one is highly ornate, and named, but also incredibly drab and dark coloured so as to not draw attention.

>>49277317
Elves would be more like the japanese with portuguese matchlocks. Not exactly innovate, but work out all the kinks of a given design and do little variations until it's optimal. Then hyper speciailize in producing that sort of weapon.

>>49277148
>obligatory "let me try to derail the thread with stupid anime smut" post

>>49279028
>reasoning that guns were much better as tools of assassination than honest warfare
Funny thing, pistol irl started that way and a lot of political assassinations in the 16th century were done by getting to your target and just shoving the barrel on their stomach. It turns out that shooting a pistol at the end of a charge was devastating enough to supplant the lance in some armies; the swedes in particular loved to do that shit.

>>49279087
It was a joke. Calm down.

Dresden files

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>>49276706
Elven revolvers are generally regarded as a fine type by rangers, but first appearances can be deceiving. Usually incorporating natural elements and using rough refinements of metal, the revolvers seem almost shoddy and some choose to distrust the guns even though there's nothing extraordinarily good or bad to write home about concerning the rifling. However the key element of elven revolvers is survivability. The rugged nature of the weapons belies their toughness and reliability, able to keep firing and fire accurately after weeks in the wildlands, with a unique but unobtrusive hammer mechanism designed to help keep the gun firing in most wet conditions short of monsoon or submergence. Despite their cultural snootiness, elven pistols are fairly cheap, and rarely found carried by their makers - perhaps out of said snootiness.

>>49277096
> And thus the humans developed Air-ship dropped incendiary weapons, because fuck that noise.

>"Silver Spoon in Hand" Plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IACglchX9n0

>>49276706
My high elf equivalents are overly British gentlemen on a Wild Hunt safari who consider the armies of the other races to be big game. They have many guns, all of which fire massive silver slugs inscribed with runes that enchant them to fly straight without rifling. Some of them also explode on impact.

>>49276935
Hayha fought in the Winter War, not WWII.

https://youtu.be/iLTpKs2ylP4

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>>49277096
It's fucking on now, elves.

Have fun losing half your country to the dwarves after you inevitably backstab them.

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>>49277815
Really advanced airguns.

>>49279028
I really like this idea.

Especially the notion that humans are essentially producing slavshit copies of dwarven weapons.

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I am disappointed in every last one of you that this wasn't posted yet.

>>49278045
The finns were basically fighting for ze germans tho

>>49280250
It wasn't Germans fighting in Finland with the Finns to fight the russians.

>>49280287
Fighting for =/= fighing with.

>>49280250

That's the continuation war. winter war was when Germans and Russians were butt buddies, before barbarossa, and had divided all eastern europe between them.

>>49278716
>Tolkien's elves were pretty much just as good at dwarves when it came to crafting armour, weapons, etc. If they made guns, they'd just make good guns.
they're better

>>49276706

Shadowrun. Seriously, it's like OP isn't even trying anymore.

>>49277815
Air rifles

>>49276706
>tfw no mix of fantasy and autistic contemporary weaponporn setting

maybe one could tack on a magic system and fantasy creatures on twillight 2000?

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>>49276706
What if Elves were guns?

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>>49277815

I see them using something like this because they are poncy elvish faggots.

>>49278716

I think the general rule of thumb for LOTR is elves make the best blades and dwarves make the best armor.

But you need to be a body builder to move in speed in dwarven armor so you are better off going with elvish armor if you can.

>>49276706
Who else here read that as

What if Elvis had guns?

>>49276830
gay as fuck.

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>>49277815
one of them super fancy, made to order physcionomical sumabitch wooden furniture olympic target shooter guns.

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>>49277815
>>49277830
>>49277876
>>49277900
>>49277902

What's funny is if you think about it purely in terms of stat bonuses, an "elfy" gun would be a high precise and fairly complex gun, but also high maintenance and prone to jamming.

So an M16.

On the flip side, what is the dwarfiest weapon? Well it'd be rugged, able to handle the toughest conditions, but wouldn't neccesarily be all that good doing fiddly things like "hitting targets outside cqb"... so an AK47.

Of course that then leads to dwarfietnam. And there's the problem that AK47s have all the wooden furniture which is really elfy while the M16 is made of only the finiest materials and metals which is really dwarfy.

>>49281517

He'd shoot his TV... again.

>>49281620
>AR-15 variants are jam-o-matics and the AK never breaks!

when will this meme die

>AR-15
https://www.full30.com/video/30a1f036a5143172f5da39cf50f46360

>AK
https://www.full30.com/video/753d617d16a9cb6c09526519a0740313

>>49281740
>This one video of this one gun that i have proves my point infallibly, checkmate /k/

>>49281620
>>49281620
>the M16 vs AK meme
Dwarves would use the FN FAL in all its variants and calibers, a mass produced, heavy, metal firearm which in it's default caliber hits like a fucking hammer, it's just as popular world wide in real life as ARs and AKs and yet gets no recognition. Dwarves would also use wooden furniture to cut down trees and piss off elves.

Elves would likely use weapons specific to them, customized to their comfort, balance, tastes and needs in a firearm, technically more modern AR platforms would afford them that level of customization with many different variants and parts, as well as a weapon which is reliable in all conditions without having to do anything as inelegant as bashing it against the floor to unjam it.

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>>49281810
Here's a FAL with two barrels.

>>49281740
It was true at the time. GI's weren't issued cleaning kits and they used shitty powder that fouled the mechanism.

>>49281620
>elves with M16s
But they aren't the marines, they're literally the gooks hiding out in the forests waiting to strike.

>>49281471
What if there was an ancient race of swords?

>>49281774
both the guns in the videos are well built, the problem is the designs, which is universal or at least very similar in all AR-15 and all AK variants. One of the designs has it's parts sit very tightly and has no open spaces where dirt can get into the gun and the other is the polar opposite.
They are both nice platforms though

>>49276706
You know, Shadowrun...

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>>49277423
You are the worst kind of person, they really ought to add a /nofun/ board you joyless fucks.

>>49276935
It is historical revisionism, like how we let the fact that Ireland refused to fight in World War II or the fact that a lot of Nordics contributed to the Holocaust more than any other nation outside of Germany.

>>49282528
Well I'm pretty sure the reason Ireland didn't fight was because they didn't want to be dragged by some faggot across the little pond

>>49281834
That was true for less than a year, from the switch to single base powder until the switch from XM16E1 to the M16A1. Before the powder switch and after the issue of chrome chambered rifles, it was still a better rifle than the slav shit alternative.

>>49282546
So what you are saying is the reason they didn't fight is because they didn't fight?

What follows is by no means the first reason, but it was a final thought that Ireland is one of the most Catholic nations in the world, it stands to reason that the Catholic Church with its long and proven history of Anti-semitism did not approve or condemn of the genocide of a people.

>>49277203
>Elven gunsmiths spend years crafting perfect instruments of death capable of killing at 1000 meters. Elves get their shit wrecked as everybody else actually has enough to equip armies.

>Fancy elven guns get used by fatso nobles as hunting weapons.

>>49282776
No, I'm saying why should Catholics fight for protestants?

>>49282932
Because every other Christian demonation fought in the war. You could find all of them in the US army, probably in one regiment or corp or whatever they use.

The facts are, Ireland did not fight. They remained impartial

>>49283000
Good, they shouldn't fight for a bunch of queen loving pieces of shit.

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>>49283023
>What's long, hard and comes from Ireland?
>Nothing.

>>49283074
>said the man who left his own party
What a fag.

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>>49283089
>Retired from politics
>After doing what he said nearly 20 years ago

>>49283115
>can't even lead his men after he got what he wanted
What a loser.

How would you model the stats for all of this?

>>49283573
That depends on the splat book.

>>49276736
>lower caliber but higher grain

What are they shooting? Tungsten? Depleted Uranium?

>>49283074
>What's long, hard and comes from Ireland?

Potato famine?

>>49279457
Fortunate Son*

If elves have delicate, artisan rifles and dwarves precision engineered cannons or whatever.. what's the classic human gun?

>>49284281
AK-47

>>49284281
Something in between.

>>49284281
Either an AK-74 or maybe an AR-18.
Something that's good for what it is but is (probably most importantly) able to be built in great numbers, with easy replacement of parts should it break.

>>49279992
Good god I'll love to have those air rifles

>>49284239
*I ain't me

>>49284397
*I ain't no King's son

>>49279457
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5-f6XCTOg

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>>49284281

.

>>49283000
>every other Christian demonation fought in the war

EVERY other christian denomination?! Even the jehovah's witnesses?!?

>>49284631
No.

>>49284666

talk of the devil! What about mormons?

>>49284681
Probably served, I mean hell they made the greatest firearm of all time for pete sake.

>>49284694
Christian Scientists?

>>49284768
Who?

>>49284782
Christian scientists are the ones who believe that you can cure all illness with prayer, and thus don't take medicine. I'm not sure if that extends to things like broken bones or gunshot wounds.

>>49284817
Oh. They probably go to hell or something I don't know.

>>49277815
Air-powered dart guns, for tranqs or poison.

>>49276794
awww shit, totally forgot i wanted this asshats tattoos

>>49277642
I miss that game.

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>>49278716
>elves with these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ErX3gOVpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZE29cOgvc

Ye Christ I honestly forgot how cool they were.

They should have just made a Shadowrun film out of this shit.

>>49282726
And yet everyone on the field was looting any aks they could find.

>>49281810
>dwarves would use a gun that's longer than them
>muh dorf fortress maymays

>>49281620
They'd use a high quality semiauto, not a spray and pray rifle. Something more like a fal or a svt (what FN copied to begin with). Or the mexican Mondragon.

>>49281008
Generally, yeah. Dwarves in LOTR were the hidebound conservatives, they were really good at making things but not, at all, at innovating. I blame WHFB for the tinker dwarf shit.

>>49278086
Winter war != Continuation war

>>49284681
Had one of the highest percentage of there population to serve than any other Christian faith, but to be fare I think there was at most 5 million Mormons in the world at the time so it was hard

>>49282776
This board has literally become tumblr

English fucked with the Irish for centuries, asking them to fight together is like asking Pakistanis and Indians to fight along side each other

>>49284281
1911

>>49292091
>is angry this borde resembles tumblr
>used literally inaccurately to add emphasis to his statement

You have become everything you hate

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>>49276981

>>49292098
Agreed.

And the standard human rifle is the Mini 30.

The standard Dwarven pistol would be a .44 magnum or a CZ 97B. The standard Dwarven rifle would be a G3 short barrel.

The standard Elven pistol would be the FIve seveN and rifle, it has to be a custom built carbon fibre Ar15.

>>49277593
god fucking damnit anon you owe me a monitor

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>>49291332

Weren't M16s unable to do full auto at one point? Just had "safe, semi, 3-burst" as their selectors?

>>49292579
>The standard Dwarven pistol would be a .44 magnum

Nope, you need a long barrel to get any use out of a magnum round, and "short barrel" and "snubnose" would be watch words when talking about dwarven pistols - might honestly gift Dwarves with something like gyrojets really, have their guns really stand out like that, might be good to go the opposite direction with elves and have them using air-rifles with flechette rounds - have humans and their gunpowder based weapons as the half-way house between them, or a thing produced largely by Mul and Helf gunsmiths who settle in various communities that the human population simply prefers to use.

>>49283754
Magical wood.

>>49284281
Six hundred smoothbore muskets.