MTG Modern General

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How's my Sun Titan list?

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Tiers are usage-based. A Tier 2 deck can be better than a Tier 1 deck in a specific metagame.

>>49276254
Any reason you're not running flags of trokair?

>>49276304
Hadn't thought of that
how many?
are you supposed to ghost quarter it?

>>49276329
Yeah, lets you turn ghost quarter into plains or a shockland. 4 is optimum, as there's next to no disadvantage to drawing multiples.

reposting my grixis shadow list from the last thread for the anons who wanted it.

>>49271914 #

creatures:
2 gurmag angler
4 street wraith
4 death's shadow
4 kiln fiend
spells:
2 mutagenic growth
4 gitaxian probe
3 thougtseize
4 stubborn denial
4 sleight of hand
3 lightning bolt
4 serum visions
2 dismember
4 temur battle rage
lands:
1 swamp
1 steam vents
1 blood crypt
2 watery grave
4 scalding tarn
4 polluted delta
3 bloodstained mire
sb:
1 thoughtseize
3 inquisition of kozilek
1 dispel
1 surgical extraction
3 young pyromancer
1 grafdigger's cage
1 spellskite
2 gut shot
2 grim lavamancer

That RUG Delver list that keeps getting posted here is hella fun and actually wins a lot for me.
Thanks to that anon
>obligatory lmao Tarfire

>>49276376
Don't listen to this guy, you're playing Emeria. You can't afford non plains lands. You would have to cut plains for a marginal deck thinning benefit you already get with fetches. I used to play that deck all the time, its not great but it is a very carefully thought out synergistic pile. Don't listen to random people when they tell you to make changes, test them first and use your noggin.

>>49278125
>its not great
That's an understatement

>>49278125
It's not for thinning, it's for turning your ghost quarter into plains for emeria.

>>49278125
>thinning
Lol

>>49278125
>I'm retarded

Does Cheerios still suck?

>>49278160
You would have to cut plains. Its not worth it. Why do you think the deck runs gq? Most of the time youre using it to lock down manlands and keep tron off of tron. You dont have to make that card better, you can afford 10 non plains lands. You can't afford 14. UW Emeria has never played flagstones because the benefits dont outweigh the deckbuilding cost.

>Run 2 Flagstones of Trokair
>Now you can turn your 4 Ghost Quarters into Plains if you need to

>>49278397
Unless your opponent is destroying your plains there's no reason to run 1-3 flags instead of 4. Drawing multiples turns all but 1 into plains.

>>49278445
Oh right, I was still thinking of mutual annihilation for legendaries.

>>49278397
2 is worse than 4 dude. Have you played this deck? Do you understand how it works? You need actual plains in your deck, going below 7 basics is really bad.

Hi guys, so my cousin wants me to play magic, but I'm not sure whats the best way to get a decent deck. I got some sample decks from stores, and bought some of the Eldritch series booster packs, I read that things like fat packs aren't worth the investment, should I look into intro decks or deck builders? I'm trying to build a blue dark deck, but my current cards are kind of a mish mash a various things i got from the boosters.

>>49278528
>my cousin wants me to play magic
Then your cousin is an asshole. Magic these days is a terrible game. It's ridiculously expensive (Modern's best deck costs about $1500. For fucking trading cards), and not even an enjoyable game as a lot of the time in Modern at least, games can end the instant someone draws the right card.

Don't play Magic. Your cousin wants you to, but your cousin is an asshole and /tg/ wants to save you before you get into expensive trouble.

I've decided to convert one of my old standard decks (INN/RTR Fight Club) to something that's actually built for modern, names Monogreen Stompy.
One of Fight Club's biggest assets was Predator Ooze, which won you the game if your opponent didn't find one of the four or five answers that were available in that standard. When I was looking over some lists for ideas, I noticed that Predator Ooze didn't show up in any of them.
Is it too slow for modern? Am I just being silly in wanting to utilize it?

>>49278611
>Path to Exile
>Dismember
>Ignoring it and just fucking killing you

Welp, that anon was right. Professor posted his pucatrade video. Hmm..

>>49278678
Good point. Out it goes, then.

>>49278611
>Three Green mana for a 1/1

Fampai you could spend that amount of mana on a T2 Infect kill

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ok let's play guys

>>49278557
Kys you jaded faggot

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>>49278528
play the Commander format

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>>49279127
While you're tearing the confetti, I do absolutely nothing suspicious

>>49279565
nice

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Rules question for you, since there isn't a more fitting thread for it right now.

I have a sparring collar attached to one of my guys (A). I attack with this guy and another one (B). During the first strike damage step, after A dealt its damages, I decide to move the collar to B with the {R}{R} ability.
Does B deal first strike damage, normal damages, or no damage at all? (since he was "too late" for the first strike step, but now having the ability he can't just deal damages during the regular damage step)

Where's the judge thread when you need it?

>>49276255
where is b/w tokens? 2.5?

>>49280623
Tier 3 or worse.

>>49280652
it used to be solid 1.5 or 2. What happened? did some quite often sideboarded tech come out that destroys it?

>>49276255
What happened to Hatebears?

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>>49276255
>tfw hanging on to tier 2

>>49280583
>after the first strike step, can my creature deal damage in the first strike step?

That question was just incredibly dumb

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Reminder that G/W/b aggro is a deck and is well suited for the meta right now.

>>49280724
List?

why is Noble Hierarch raising in price so much?

>>49280764
Because it's the best mana dork ever printed aside from drs

>>49280795
How is it better than birds?

>>49280711
>That question was just incredibly dumb
Good, because this is not the question.

>>49280838
exalted is strong as fuck

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>>49276236
>>49276255
>Why is Death and Taxes the best deck?
>Why aren't you playing it?
Pic related, best waifu

>>49280838
Exalted. Also red and black don't really need the dorks

>>49280899
Because the deck is trash. Everyone thinks they're hot shit online with this deck and I never lose to it

>>49280757
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/596576-abzan-liege-wilted-abzan-liege-rhino

Can't even find a decent list rn. I would link mine but not on my pc. Super slept on.

>>49280873
Ah, well it still deals damage in the normal phase even if it got first strike after first strike damage, which creatures deal damage in the following damage step is decided before the step starts, to circumvent people removing first strike from their creature and having it effectively "gain" doublestrike as it would deal damage in both steps.

Could've just googled it though.

>>49280757
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13124&d=276811&f=MO

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>>49280978
Thanks senpai.
So the collar can't function as a Horn of Deafening either, too bad.
>Could've just googled it though
I didn't really know how to word it, sorry.
Here have a cute statue as an apology.

>>49281295
I'm literally studying google-fu, so no problem

>>49281285

Voice of resurgence and its retarded price it's a bust for me.

>>49278118
Can you post it? I always forget to save it

>>49280939
(you)

>>49280583
I don't have the rule pulled up, but the creature just deals non first strike damage

>tfw buying merfolk

Soo, are any of the cards going to fall in price? MM 17 will do a shit job at reducing the prices but still, is there a chance that some of the cards will be reprinted?

>>49282770
>I don't like what you said about my shit tier deck so I'll just say you

>>49283153
Cavern will most probably be reprinted at rare, where it will drop to 30-40 at best.

Vial maybe.

Lord of Atlantis / Master of the Pearl Trident likely, but not both.

Cursecatcher likely.

The rest is up in the air. They won't reprint an entire deck in a set though.

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>>49282482

>>49283281
Oh, I see. I've already started to buy vials but cavern of souls and cursecatcher are the ones I care about, dropping 60$ and 45$ for a land and a playset of uncommons is a bit much.

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Spaghetti graph is spaghetti.
Added axes labels for the one anon.
And to the other: Any deck with bolt is capable of turn 1 damage, so I leave it on.

Doing Grixis next. If anyone needs stats isolated just holla.

>>49283264
(you) mad bro?

>>49283825
This is pointless

>>49283842
Why would I be mad?
This your first day on the Internet? Ebin trole :^]

>>49283851
>>49283842
Both of you 12 year olds shut up. DnT is a meta deck . Unfortunately this meta is not kind to it

>>49284050
Thalia IS the best waifu though, there is NO competition in that field!

>>49284050
For what meta? A legacy meta with legacy cards maybe. Scapeshift is like it's only good matchup

Playing a deck that tries to hate on mana bases without actual land hate is retarded and the deck is laughably underpowered and inconsistent

>>49284116
Thalia is pretty good, but lilianna of the veil is worth consideration.

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Best waifu is pic related.

>>49284522
>>49284364
I resend my comment. You are correct.

>>49284588
>resend
Illiterate retard

>>49284522
>not a woman you fucking faggot

>>49284364
See she kinda fucked bestwaifu back in OG Innistrad so I can never love her or show her the White affections a black-aligned self-loathing woman like her

I can get in and behind Saffi

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>>49284522
another 3drop waifu

Is Blood moon still a thing to put in an affinity SB?

My list is the standard G.blast build with a 2/2 split of Etched and Master.

>>49282441
>he doesn't know the joy of voice

>>49284170
Art thou fucking retard?
<NONCREATURE>
Get bent you retard

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>>49284637
>implying your waifu isn't Karn

>>49280583
Damage is dealt simultaneously so there is no point where Creature B is 'waiting' to do it.

>>49284953
Holy fuck you're an idiot. I know what Thalia does. Do you even know what other cards go in the deck or are you only here to be a pathetic waifufaggot?

>>49285215
Click clack the VOICE is coming out!

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So, aside from being relatively dead on board until turn 3, and probably scooping to distress effects, what glaring issues would exist in a tron land based deck which only uses cheap (0 or 1 drop) artifacts and knowledge pool? Win condition would solely be whatever my opponent's packing.

I was considering it for a default-to modern deck, since it's essentially forced to scale to an environment which doesn't win before turn 3, so it's good for casual as well as somewhat competitive affairs.

>>49285305
Wow. This place is terrible

>>49276254
Is running no Flickerwisp truly correct?

>>49276254
How is Azorius Herald treating you?

I should really drop the Mortar Pod in my version for something else, I guess you really don't need it as a sac outlet.

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Jumping on the hype combo train. Hows this looking?


//Artifact (13)
4 Altar of the Brood
2 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Liquimetal Coating
3 Mox Opal

//Artifact Creature (4)
4 Spellskite

//Artifact Land (4)
4 Darksteel Citadel

//Creature (3)
3 Simian Spirit Guide

//Enchantment (6)
2 Blood Moon
4 Oath of Nissa

//Instant (2)
2 Spell Pierce

//Planeswalker (6)
4 Dack Fayden
2 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas

//Sorcery (8)
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Serum Visions

//Land (14)
2 Breeding Pool
3 Copperline Gorge
2 Forest
2 Island
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground

SB: 1 Blood Moon
SB: 1 Ensnaring Bridge
SB: 1 Keranos, God of Storms
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 Nature's Claim
SB: 1 Negate
SB: 1 Pithing Needle

>>49285610
>dack
>modern
Are you the single most RETARDED MOTHERFUCKER ever alive?

>>49276236

>tfw I want to play UW heroic in modern but its no use because Bogles and Suicide Zoo does what it does 10x better

I just want to run Battlewise Hoplite and Hero of Iroas again ;-;

>>49285610
>1 moon
What's the point? At least 3 if you actually want to fuck someone with it

>>49276254
Looks solid, I notice you still keep Aetherbomb in the main, it does help out a lot game 1 vs quite a few decks .

Can anyone explain to me why Stonecloaker is in so many of these sideboards?

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>>49285835
Oh that was my bad, the program I used didn't have the new walker in. Dack is suppose to be Saheeli Rai. I assume you already knew that.

>>49285858
I have 2 moons main and 1 in the board.

>>49286990
Oh and the coppers are suppose to be the new U/G fastland.

Man modern really reminds me of why I quit yugioh,
>too expensive
>games end on turn 4
>meta hovers around only 1 or 2 playstyles
>meta shifts too quickly
>ban lists can destroy a $1000 investment
>not fun

Fuck this, I'm selling out. I'll see you guys at pauper tuesdays

>>49276525
Should just play elemental shotgun, you're literally just diluting that deck.

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will mox opal see another reprint in modern masters? they are relatively cheap right now but not actually need them despite really liking them but afraid that they will be used in a new artifact meme deck

I can get a playset of all the new fastlands for $100. Invest or wait and have them drop a couple more bucks each?

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>>49287053
>>meta hovers around only 1 or 2 playstyles
>>meta shifts too quickly

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Liliana, The Last Hope
>mfw is modern viable
So far grixis control is loving her at 2x

>>49287809

what the fuck are you doing?

>tfw we don't have a fun "friends and decks" template like /edh/ does
why are we such cucks, bros?

>>49288612
>why are we such cucks, bros?

modern format in a nutshell.
wotc says modern is the eternal format of choice, but not really
people want to play modern for fun, but it isnt really, since the real format is legacy

>>49288656
>legacy
Here's your (you). EDH is probably wizard's most desirable format, since it's a format where tryhards and casuals can sit at a table and play to no remarkable amount of discourse.

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>>49288424
>seems easy enough

What are the chances BBE gets unbanned the end of this month? Do you guys think anything will get banned/unbanned?

>>49289465
Nothing seems particularly broken in the format right now, I think we can expect some bans from Wizards. No idea about unbans.

Become immense will be banned, maybe not this update but eventually

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>>49289465
Jace Mind Sculptor Unban

Please

>>49285853
Yeah just run bogles my friend. It's very similar to the UR aura playstyle and in my opinion it feels more rewarding

>>49290480
I meant UW it's late leave me alone

>>49290357
If the Wallet Sculptor did get unbanned what deck would be the best shell for him?

>>49290515
And if he really wants to do UW he can run the worse version with Invisible Stalker, Geist, and Steel of the Godhead

>>49290357
lol this will never happen. Even SFM is more likely to get unbanned. which will also never happen

>>49291046
It's actually fairly high on the unban list.

>>49290540
Jeskai probably. Nothing will make Esper modern playable

>>49291174
What's the problem with esper? is it because it's outclassed by jeskai?

>>49291104
Source?

>>49291046

I believe this solely becuase SFM is more in line with "battlefield Magic" than most of the current bandits. WotC is pushing the game toward midrange slugfests (see the repritnts of Imp. Recruiter and then Sanctum Prelate in Legacy) and SFM accomplishes that goal well. I don't think we'll see Jitte unbanned, but having SFM means better midrange and control decks, and more importantly it makes the control decks more creature-centric. This is what they want.

>>49291746

meant to reply to >>49291104

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Nahiri is the cutest Hitler

>>49291979
Nissa is best hitler but Chandra has potential to be hitler this set

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>>49285555
Holy fuck I love herald
you can use the same one with multiple triggers to gain 12+ life a turn
And he's a clock

>>49278528
UW Emeria Control is fucking amazing dude, i got it on MTGO for like $100, list is at the top of the thread

If you're brand new, play Standard, and then if you like that, get into Modern or EDH or whatever, it'll come naturally. Find a standard archetype and build that i guess, you can get budget shit pretty easily if you do some googling

>>49278557
bruh why are you on a magic thread if you hate the game this much?

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>>49285397
Play it with Shared Fate for meme cred

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>>49292001
But Nahiri fuels the most fun deck in the format

>>49291174

>Nothing will make Esper modern playable
>implying it's a bad thing

The game is already autistic as fuck, I don't want even more autists playing competitively. Right now they sit in their hugboxes or are busy going 0-4 at fnms, so I don't have to deal with them at GPs (except once in a blue moon).

As a white mage, modern just isn't fun. limited ways of interaction and your creatures suck. The only maindeckable white cards are path to exile and lingering souls(which requires another color ).

>>49292913
>what is g/w hatebears

do you hate fun?

>>49292960
Which isn't even tier 2 in power

>>49292987
Jeskai and Zoo is t1.

>>49292987
>ill just ignore the last 2 gp's top 8

ok m8

>>49293010
The deck is bad and only enabled by aether vial. Blow up vial and you're good, slam a moon for extra measure.

Oh no I have to pay 1R to bolt your small Thalia. Oh no arbiter cut me off my third land. I don't care, I ain't playing tron or ramp nigger

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>>49293148

>>49282441

don't know where you want to play the deck but I replaced Voice with tidehollow sculler for my local fnm. it's not optimal but still works pretty gud.

>>49292220
Damn, now I wanna make a shared fate deck, too.
4x Shared Fate
4x Peek
4x Gitax Probe
4x Reach through Mists
4x BOP
4x Abundant Growth
4x Fog
4x Utopia Sprawl
4x Transguild Promenade
4x Rupture Spire
10x Forest
10x Island

Would it work, /tg? Would it be tilty enough?

>>49293364
I played something similar but with white for PtE and wraths; you want them to have little to no board prescence when playing Shared Fate. It's not good but the tilt factor is SSJ3

Super Secret Tech: Teferi's Puzzle Box

>>49293423
You're gonna have to humour me here, I don't play white much, so PtE?

Puzzlebox is fuckin' noice, you absolute madman

>>49293460
Path to Exile

>>49293482
oh, makes sense. Sorry, local nomenclature is just "Path".

>>49293364
shit man try it out on mtgo or xmage or something
Needs wraths, like Verdict or WoG or something

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>>49293148
Yep, hates fun

>>49284759
>>49282441
GIVE YOUR SOULS TO SELESNYA

>>49284953
bruh, its 2016

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>>49285853
why not play uwu bogles with battlewise hoplite

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What deck would a become immense ban hit the hardest?

I think infect would hardly feel it

Suicide zoo probably takes the biggest hit?

Either way neither deck are so good to demand a ban

>>49294454
suicide zoo is a meme

I dont see why become immense would need a ban. Right now I just want to see some new printings or unbans that stop the format from being so linear

>>49294534
What unbans or printings would help the format tho? Honest question. I've playtested chrome mox and stoneforge mystic, and neither did shit versus zooicide, burn, affinity, or infect (minus the lucky turn 1 thalia turn 2 strip mine games).

>>49294015

Because UWG bogles have terribad manabase.

>>49293148
>implying you can blood moon and blow the vial in a post-sideboard game while applying pressure to the board

If a creature like spiteflame witch or rix maadi guildmage gains infect, does its triggered ability give players poison counters?

>>49294801
Not him but

>T1 delver
>T2 any artifact hate
>T3 Moon

Or

>T1 artifact hate
>T2 goyf
>T3 Moon

>>49294801
You would know how easy it is if you didn't play a deck that does nothing for the first several turns

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>>49276236
Hey guys, what do you think of my Stompy? It's done pretty well lately, and I've been looking for ideas.

is it worth getting Magic Online and buying my 10 dollar (online) stompy deck? I have xmage and use it often, but what are the advantages to Magic Online?

>>49295729
Less God awful shitbrews I would assume

Want to get my brother into magic; are there any modern decks that have a hint or flavor of buddhism?

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>>49284637
>not a woman you fucking faggot

Karn has the heart of a woman. This woman, specifically.

>>49296130
Soul Sister?

>>49296130
Tell your poser brother that trying to make his personality not shit by saying he's a Buddhist is basic bitch shit

>>49294534
Become Immense is the most likely card to be banned of anything floating around right now, mainly because there have been some turn 2/3 kills powered out by it lately during some high profile events. WotC doesn't want to compromise the image of Modern's turn 4 rule, so any complaints about those wins will fall squarely on Become Immense.

>>49295729
>>49295418
Hey, what does /tg/ think of Scythe Tiger in Stompy?

>>49296130
something something Jeskai

>>49296276
Depends on your stomp, my stomp (>>49295729) is slower with +1/+1 counters and devotion to green, while most stomp is faster with groundbreakers and aspect of hydra. scythe tiger might be good if your stomp runs mana dorks in it or surrak so that after turn four you can drop hasted tigers and not care about land anymore. all in all i think it could fit well into a dedicated stompy, but not the two most popular varities

>>49295418

>harmonize
>gladecover scout
>no dismember
>no experiment one
>no the best card this deck has access to: aspect of the hydra that lets you pull wins out of your ass

Just why?

>>49296375

Oh wait, never mind the aspect part. I'm blind. Still gladecover scout is just godfucking awful in stompy.

>>49296375
>harmonize
Really good, I'm just going to pretend you didn't question that like an idiot.
>Gladecover Scout
Gotta admit, I want these to be experiment ones, I just don't have any yet.
>No Dismember
What is sideboard anon?
>Aspect
Do you mean the three that are in my deck? Did you even look?

>>49296414
Ahh, fair enough, and yeah I don't like gladecover either, but they aren't bad against control

>>49280583
Normal damage. The Comprehensive Rules have a specific entry spelling out how this works, at least if you're asking what I think you're asking:

> 702.7c Giving first strike to a creature without it after combat damage has already been dealt in the first combat damage step won’t prevent that creature from assigning combat damage in the second combat damage step. Removing first strike from a creature after it has already dealt combat damage in the first combat damage step won’t allow it to also assign combat damage in the second combat damage step (unless the creature has double strike).

>>49296445

>No Dismember
>What is sideboard anon?

8 out of 10 times it will work better than prey upon. I tested it myself.

>>49296223
Hes 19 dude. He wont have a real personality for a decade.

>>49296476
This was answered so many times. Why did you feel the need to post this?

>>49296495
Tbh the PU is better in my Meta, I don't have goyf decks/infect, and against some of the decks floating around its a dead card because they don't run creatures.
If I ever went somewhere I'd not been to before though, I would definitely stick the Dismembers mb.

And the award for wrongest answer goes to >>49285162

>>49296510
Because the relevant rule wasn't posted so many times.

>>49294848
Life loss is not damage. Infect solely replaces damage.

>>49296510
At least he was trying to be helpful.
Sometimes I wander into ancient threads and read from the top too

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>>49296517

Instant on dismember also helps against ravager shenanigans. Anyway here's a shitty pic of my stompy. Most of the time I play dredge now, but I still consider it to be one of the best two entry-level modern decks (the other one being 8whack namely).

>>49296509
Fair enough. I just know because I did the same thing

>>49296821
What's that FNM promo? I can't read it at all, it's a one drop.

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>>49296967

>>49297055
Oh, I'm retarded

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just checked in on mtg after being away for a while, what is this bullshit?

>>49297141

A new Thalia. Nothing special.

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>>49280939
most people don't know how to play it properly, either. i play mono-white d&t in modern and legacy and let me tell you about my fucking flickerwisps.

modern d&t is a flickerwisp/displacer deck first and foremost. anyone that tells you otherwise needs to pick up their deck, put it in the trash, set the trash on fire and then climb in the trash.

>>49295418
Drop Harmonize for Courser of Kruphix.

>>49295418
kitchen finks? Or is that out of your price range?

>>49297226

it (along with a few others) makes humans the deck to beat. Human decks are boring.

>>49296930
Being young is hell.

OFFICIAL TOP 10 BEST CARDS IN MODERN

1. Fetch lands
2. Lightning Bolt
3. Snapcaster Mage
4. Tarmogoyf
5. Noble Hierarch
6. Path to Exile
7. Thoughtseize
8. Serum Visions
9. Liliana of the Veil
10. Mox Opal

>>49297844
>tfw snapcaster is legal while sfm is not

>>49297868
tfw blue is still the color in modern getting shafted

>>49297868
Because batterskull is disgusting. I'd happily see it banned and some unbanned. The swords would actually see some play then

I sold my modern Jund deck for around $3.800 after 4 years of playing with it.

Did I fuck up or should I just waited a lil more for prices to go up?

>>49297945
Opps, I wanted to say 2,800$.

>>49297945
Depends on the currency. But really, you do what you want with your personal belongings. If you'd rather have the cash, then good for you for selling it. Waiting probably wouldn't have granted you much more.

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>tfw mommy buys you birthday snappies

>>49297945
Pretty odd to sell a deck with so many versatile format staples. What are you hoping to go into, if anything?

>>49298005
Nothing desu. I just got bored after playing for years. I am also selling my Jeskai Nahiri, Infect, Affinity and Naya Burn and Legacy Miracles, but Legacy is so dead where I live nobody is interested on it.
Also I dont like the direction WotC is going.

>>49298056
Where do you live anon, I might buy ur Inkmoth Nexus.

>>49298056
That's a damn shame, anon. I'm sure your local store(s) are worse without you. Hope you get to do something sweet with the money you picked up!

>tfw have both, deaths shadow zoo and Affinity
>no idea how to play them, can't get any consistency
>try out R/G Tron pre-eye ban
>win almost every game I play

How do I get good with aggro decks? Either I manage to pull it off and kill people on turn three or we reach mid to late game and I die because they get there win conditions out.

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How do we MMGA?

>>49298664
Your first priority should be learning your decks if you don't know how to play them well already,

That aside, aggro's weakness is that it's poor in the late game so it's not too surprising that you're losing games that go long.

>>49276254
Isn't this a meme deck? I remember posting about a deck like that a while ago and people called the archetype a shitbrew

>>49297327
Haha, no.
Humans are not the deck to beat. What do you think this is, Standard?

>>49298766
I'm really trying to learn them, I just make bad mulligan decissions, that's the whole problem. Guess I just need more experience in what hands to keep and what not

>>49298056
This makes me feel
Ive spent probably $3000 or so on the game and i feel like i could never sell out but im pretty bored with the game too and dont like the way WotC is taking the game directionally. Also the local game stores around here are all pretty bad and the one good one management, event and size wise got infested with shitty people.

>>49276254
Looks good, needs more surgical extractions in the side for a better chance vs. Tron.

Either run 2 or none if you just want to give up entirely on that matchup, I don't blame you.

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>>49280899
Explain to me why you would use this card over this?

>>49296223
>you can't become a Buddhist at 19, he's obviously pretending

In the modern globalized age we live in I'm disappointed that there are still people who assume others do things for attention only and could not possibly have genuine interested in foreign religion.

t. butthurt slant eyed gook

>>49299435
You've got to be kidding. Costs 1 more and doesn't have first strike. Flying is not that useful for what the deck is doing

>>49299196
I'm in the same boat. I'd love to go to more serious tournaments, but I can never do better than 2- 2 at fnm.

I'm hoping I've made the right sideboard decisions and can 3- 1 this week.

Just gotta keep practicing.

>>49299196
Sequencing is a big part of Affinity. Knowing when to spend mana on creatures and when to spend it casting a Drum, Blast/Thoughcast, or Plating, activating Moths, or even holding up mana to switch up Cranial Plating. Run through opening hands and try to figure out the most efficient way to spend your mana and maximize your presence early on. Don't forget that every Mox you draw after the first is essentially a Lotus Petal if you need it to be.

Remember that your moths count as artifacts and creatures even if they have summoning sickness and that they can pay to activate themselves. Sometimes you'll activate Moths that aren't attacking just to grow Cranial Plating or Master, tap a Drum, feed the Ravager, receive Overseer or Ravager's counters, or even rarely to enable Metalcraft. Learn when it's best to attack with two Moths or to use a Blinkmoth to strengthen one of your others. Try to play Moths as early as you can when choosing between lands, to allow them to attack.

Being a synergy based deck, most of what correctly playing Affinity requires you to do is just learn how to make the most of your cards' interactions.

>>49299435
2W is worse in every way. Keeping your Vial on 2 is just as important as actually casting the creature.

>>49299674
I will do that, thank you.

>>49298689
1. Fuck NWO
2. Fuck the Reserved List
3. A lot of reprints
4. Fuck the Jacestice League
5. Correct color identities
6. Fire MaRo
7. Make Magic about exploring new worlds again
8. Another Time Spiral set

>>49299912
I just want them to fuck the reserved list into another orbit. Noone benefits from it. Not even they themselves really benefit from it that's the funny part. And from my understanding it's just some promise they made long ago right? So noone could sue them for getting rid of it.

>>49299912
>Fuck NWO
NWO isn't a real problem for Modern. It's just complexity of commons.

>Fuck the Jacestice League
Also irrelevant to Modern.

>Correct color identities
>Fire MaRo
>Another Time Spiral set
These are conflicting arguments and show you don't really understand what goes on in the background of development. MaRo was the main reason Time Spiral happened to begin with. A second Time Spiral is also probably the worst thing you could possibly to do maintain color identities.

>>49300020
>thinking the nwo doesnt provide a color by numbers card design philosophy at every rarity

Embarassing.

>>49300017
>So noone could sue them for getting rid of it.

>Promissory estoppel is a legal principle that a promise is enforceable by law, even if made without formal consideration, when a promisor has made a promise to a promisee who then relies on that promise to his subsequent detriment.

Anyone who spent thousands of dollars on Reserved cards would be able to sue if any of those cards decreased significantly in value after they were reprinted. WotC might be able to win those lawsuits, on the basis that they have removed cards in the past, but there exists much more risk of losing them than there is any benefit they could possibly pitch to make legal willing to take that risk.

>>49300067
>opinion of a nonlawyer on the law

Always hilarious.

>>49300067
Ah, I see. That sucks and it's quite sad. but would a black lotus reprint in another eternal master-like set that costs 12$ per booster at mythic really hurt the price of an original alpha/beta/unlimited near mint black lotus?

>>49300058
And what exactly are you implying by "color by numbers" here? That there haven't been any cards noticeably pushed since the NWO's inception? That they haven't reconsidered the boundaries of a color's slice of the pie?

>>49300080
I could say the same to you.

>>49299912
What does NWO stand for?

>>49280661
It just wins or losses pretty much. The bad matchups are quite bad and with a bunch of decks like Burn, tron, affinity, etc it can't keep up

>>49300192
New World Order.
It was WotC's attempt at a card design philosophy designed to reverse the severe decline in players that Magic suffered following Time Spiral and Lorwyn.

It has been successful so far. Magic's community grows with every set where before it simply held at the best of times and diminished whenever things went wrong. Theros, often derided by /tg/ as one of the worst sets in recent history, experienced steady growth even amidst the sea of complaints.

>>49300192
The idea of the NWO is to dumb down everything especially commons and uncommons because 12 years olds with brain damage get confused when a good set like Time Spiral introduces more than only 1 mechanic. So now every set has boring new mechanics with +1/+1 counters

>>49300279
>>49300455
Ah, as long as a good rare comes out every now and again which provides a convoluted horseshit, "build around me" kind of effect, I'll be happy.

>>49300484
It hasn't even been solely the property of Rares to shake things up even since the NWO was implemented. Two of the most important cards in enabling Dredge as a viable Modern archetype, Faithless Looting and Insolent Neonate, were Commons printed after the NWO's inception.

Admittedly, it's Prized Amalgam that serves as the actual teeth of the deck, but NWO hasn't invalidated Commons as an important source of cards for some engines.

>>49299554
>>49299732
you actually don't know how to play modern d&t.

1. flying beats is how you win
2. vial should be on 3 for flickerwisp

fucking scrubs holy shit

>>49301365
Yes, that's why Vryn Horse has shown up in more top 8s than Thalia. Because successful players don't know how to play the deck.

>>49297879
white is worse than blue in modern

>>49301427
White's doing alright as long as you check the sideboards.

>>49301398
>more
it's a 2-of you absolute retard

fucking immolate yourself as penance for your transgression

>>49301473
It's funny watching retards argue over garbage decks. Lmao what's the point?

>>49301473
The original post was:
>Explain to me why you would use this card over this?

Which is kind of a fucking mess in terms of properly identifying which "this" is supposed to be which, but definitely seems to be asking why people would play Thalia over the horse. Saying people play 2x of the horse vs. 3x or 4x of Thalia actually serves as evidence to support the reasons why people play Thalia over it. If the horse were better you'd see 4 of them and 1 or 2 Thalias.

>>49301557
>you don't know how to play this deck at 100% efficiency!!!!!!!
Doesn't really matter when the deck loses at any efficiency

>>49301473
Mtgtop8 shows 23 decks with Wingmare and nearly 300 with Thalia. Not only that, all the decks with Wingmare have Thalia in them.

"More" is an appropriate way to describe it.

So I'm a new player and friends are trying to get me in the game. Everything seems super expensive but Burn seems rather budget. Is burn competitively viable?

>>49301663
I wouldn't recommend starting with Modern right off the bat

but mono-red burn gives you a shot at scooping up some wins at FNM and is definitely the best bang for your buck

>>49301663
Yes burn is a tier 1 deck. I've day 2nd a couple grand prixs with Naya Burn

>>49301691
Well they've been teaching me the game with modern Friendly's but standard seems lack luster compared to what you can have in Modern. Plus the way I see it Standard eventually goes into modern right? Might as well play with the better cards like Lightning bolt than paying 3 mana for 3 dmg.

>>49301764
if you have the cash to spare, then go for it

>>49301764
Optimal burn is around $600

Also my friends play commander and it looks really fun. Do you guys have some examples of budget commander decks? They suggested Mob Goblin guy but what's the average price of a viable commander deck?

>>49301829
Well that's just because of fetch and dual lands right?

>>49301764
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-67-13-tix-modern-mono-red-burn

replace spark elementals with monastery swiftspear, this will get you started

>>49301862
pretty much any 1-2 colored commander deck can be as budget as you want it to be, it's a casual fun format

>>49301862
Magic threads get separated into generals based on different formats.

Here's the current commander thread >>49288722, though it's soon to be closed and a new one started it's still worth skimming the resources and keeping an eye out for the next one.

>>49301874
Yes. It's perfectly fine to tell new players to sink money into lands though, because if they don't end up liking the deck those lands can usually be put in a different deck, hold reliable value for being sold, or be used as good trade fodder.

>>49301862
Just build a cheap purphorous deck and lose all your friends

>>49295418
Gladecover Scout is worse than Experiment One, once you swap those out for 4x E1 you should run more Avatar of the Resolute and fewer Kalonian Tusker on account of Avatar being better. Harmonize is weird but I can't promise that it's utter piss without asking how it works for you. How does it work for you? Running that many 4 mana cost things seems like a bad idea in stompy to me fampai.

>>49285412
Then leave, and don't come back. We have enough faggot shit posters without your sensitive mancunt in here.

>>49288806
You've clearly never played with actual tryhards in EDH.

Do I cut all my discard in jund vs dredge?

>>49303388
I think vs dredge you just handshake and take the match loss. Really though that matchup is really hard. If you're on the play no, on the draw yes.

>>49303746
What are dredges actual hard match ups? Do they only lose to RiP?

>>49303838
Dredge can have a really hard time against Tron, especially if they go straight into Ugin or get their random mainboard Relic. Firespout can hold you off while they look for something to ruin your life.

Infect can be a bit of a problem as often your only removal is Conflagrate and your only fliers are Narcos, so there's a real chance you just get slammed by a Blighted Agent or Inkmoth and never really had a chance to do anything about it. Gets a lot better with Darkblasts in the mix though.

Ad Nauseam can kill you just as quick as you kill them, only they have cards that can interrupt you and you don't really have anything to interrupt them.

>a good modern deck is $600

Defend this, I dare you.

I want to make an Orzhov Control deck. Where do I start? All I've got right now is doom blade, path, dismember, phyrexian arena, ghostly prison... Not aiming to be tier 1, but I'd like for my deck not to be shit.

>>49304571
Lingering Souls is the biggest pull for that colour combination. Splash green for siege rhino, get some thoughtseizes/IoK, and Scope/goyf. look up Modern Junk. There are gonna be somethings that you can skip on and get budget versions, but others are pretty integral. Like turn 1 discard

>>49303997
Tron is a great matchup wtf? You just run them over turn 3/4, none of their cards matter except for exactly turn 4 Ugin which is beatable with any decent hand. Relic is a speedbump at best.

The matchups that are hard for dredge mainboard are.
>Infect
>Ad Nauseam
>Bogles
>Suicide Zoo
>GR Breach
>Thing Storm

Abzan CoCo, Bant Eldrazi, Burn, Affinity, Elves, and Gruul Zoo can put up a decent fight in a match if they board a little hate. 3 color goodstuff.dec is a bye no matter what flavor, I'd say if you have 4 dedicated hate cards you can get your post board games to 50/50 at best. Merfolk, Death and Taxes, RUG Scapeshift, Kiki Chord, Living End, and Tron are byes as well.

>>49304571
No reason not to run lingering souls

Also if you wanna be control you should probably splash red and bolts

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>>49304653
Don't play Mardu, anon

>>49304690
I don't think she will see any play in modern desu

>>49304571

Path to exile
Inquisition of kozilek
Thoughtseize
Damnation
Lingering Souls
Anguished unmaking

Here.

>>49304757
Maybe fringe sb play, but not much.

>>49304791
I can agree with this

Similar to how new Gideon panned out

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>>49299912

>>49300067
Is there any case of applying promissory estoppel when the promise isn't given to any particular individual/company/institution, but rather an open statement like the reserve list is?

>>49305104
>What it feels like playing noncreature hate in a format full of creatures
I've played D&T against Standard decks. It just can't hold up to creatures.

is tezzerator viable yet?

>>49305936
No. Check back when full Kaladesh spoilers are out.

>>49304571
>Where do I start?
You don't. There really is zero reason to play Orzhov control. There is nothing that deck could do that another deck can't do better. Just play Mardu, all memes aside it's not that bad of a deck, might even be tier 3 one day.

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"Toolshaper Paradigm"WCreature - Dwarf ArtificerAt the begining of your combat step, if you control an artifact "Toolshaper Paradigm" gains +2/+1 until end of turn. If you control at least 3 artifacts, it also gains first strike until end of turn.

>>49306117
Not bad, very easily a 1 cost 3/2. Biggest problem is that it's not an artifact itself.

>>49306117
Is he holding a golden staple gun?

>>49305924
... Maybe I'm being foolish here, but if Modern is so choke full of creatures why doesn't D&T run the Heretic Cathar Thalia?

It is creature AND mana disruption on a pretty good beater. She even survives Bolt and combat with Eiganjo. You'd think it'd be usable as a sideboard tool against Suicide Zoo and the like.

>>49306235
The cancer creatures come down before turn 3.

>>49306424
Is that really the only thing keeping her from being playable?, Her CMC being 3 rather than 2?

Seems like a pretty meager reason. Is there any way ypu could speed her up?, Surely there must be something.

There's also Path if you are running mono-W with Arbiter. Spot removal goes pretty well vs cancer creatures.

>>49306471
Spot removal DOES do well against creatures. But when the iconic card of D&T is a 2 mana creature that makes spells cost more, giving your opponent an extra land is just dumb. Modern just comes at you from too many directions, and D&T lacks the ability to interact with land, which is half of why the Legacy version of the deck is so good.

>>49306512
Then what sort of Mana acceleration could be run in the deck?, Acclerating your own mana should work nicely alongside slowing your enemy's.

I feel new Thalia has real potential. With the original it enables D&T to deal with a whole new range of creature-based decks in a meta where midrange is gaining weight with every new set.

>>49306815
If you're going to accelerate your mana, just run Titanshift and blow people up on turn 4.

>>49304650
>Tron is a great matchup wtf?

Not really. If you don't hit a perfect stride turn 2, they have any number of options for stalling you with Firespouts, Oblivion Stone, or Wurmcoil. An early Relic can perfectly prevent you from hitting that stride too. It gets no better in game 2 where your sideboard cards are mediocre at best against them, and theirs can easily shut you down.

Like I said though, "Dredge can have a really hard time against Tron". It's a matchup that can very easily go against you.

>>49304791
>Maybe fringe sb play
>sb

What exactly are you siding her in for?

When did affinity become so expensive?

>>49307652
Modern Masters. A bunch of people opened Moths and Ravagers and thought "Affinity isn't that expensive, I should buy in." Supply barely increased but demand doubled.

By the time Modern Masters 2 came out, people were already aware of just how little the reprints actually affected card prices, so the Moxes barely dropped at all.

When I got into Modern I bought a playset of Ravagers for $40. Now it's almost $40 for a single one. If that doesn't go to show how ineffectual MMA was at lowering prices, nothing really will.

>>49308306

Exactly. People open MM because they like modern. That means when a dude cracks a goyf, hes gonna wanna look for more, usually.

I can't stand how they think limited print runs designed to //generate interest// in a format will cut prices.

hi, newfag here who stopped playing around Khans of Tarkir and would like to come back to the modern format. I've also been away from the whole mtg community so its kind of harder.

What has changed? what new cards should I look forward to build some control deck? Is U/W viable again?

>>49308476
>what new cards should I look forward to build some control deck?

Nahiri, the Harbinger.

Pretty much the only viable Modern Control deck is Jeskai Control, also known as "Nahiri Control" due to how vital Nahiri is for providing the deck the finisher it always lacked. If you stopped around Khans, you might recognize what colors Jeskai stands for, but if not they're UWR. If you're looking to get back in on U/W Control, this is the incarnation you'll most likely find yourself playing.

>>49308306
Oh, I see. I bought a playset of inkmoths for 30€ and a playset of ravagers for like 40€ too. checked the prices today and was pretty surprised.

>>49308540

Thanks, I'll see

>>49307487
Grindy matches where her +1 is relevant. Same situations as when you board in pyromaster in jund.

So she could take pyromasters fringe slot in jund, but I'd figure most lists are just going to stick with pyromaster.

>>49308540
nahiri jeskai is a combo deck though, there are no viable control decks in modern

>>49306235
Enough lists are, and I've been very happy with her as a 2-3 of depending on what I'm expecting to run in to
as far as >>49306471
Her CMC is kind of a rough spot, I've been considering whether it could be worth it to go G/W and play heirarchs since her or an arbiter+GQ activation on turn 2 could be pretty backbreaking against a lot of decks
Also I think the Eldazi and Taxes lists aren't just a meme, displacer especially is really good with a ton of the cards in the deck to interact with opponents

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>>49309823
>Plussing a planeswalker until you ult them is a combo

>>49309823
GR8B8M8

>>49309443
I don't know a soul that plays Pyromaster mainboard in Jund. Jund player here, I think she outright out replaces Pyromaster. Since I like playing with new cards I'm gonna test it as a 1 of in the mainboard over Liliana, the Last Hope. Will get back to you on performance in a couple weeks when it's out.

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So a Preordain unban is pretty much certain at this point, right?

>>49310687

Nothing is ever certain with Wizards of the fucking coast.

>>49303388
I cut them and side in 1 Graf diggers, 2 Anger of the Gods, 1 Extripate, and 1 Obstinate Baloth. Not too sure on how correct that is. There is only 1 Dredge player I have ever played against and I've probably won half our games.

So every set is going to have a few expeditions from here on out. Called masterpieces.

How do you feel about this?

>>49303388
>>49310869

Cut all of your discard and put in GY hate and Fulminators.

If you take them off of Green mana their options for dealing with your board/burning you out are basically gone.

>>49310625
>I don't know a soul that plays Pyromaster mainboard in Jund.

I thought it was clear I was talking about the SB, but whatever.

>I think she outright out replaces Pyromaster

I think it comes down tp preference. If you value the shock Pyromaster is worse, if you don't care about the shock, just keep playing Pyromaster.

Keep in mind ToD's clause of "You may cast that card" vs Pyromasters "You may play it this turn."

Unless for some reason it gets insane results, I'm fine with just leaving in Pyromaster.

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>>49313159
>>49313159

New thread

>>49311069

It's fine but I can't believe the shithulks are all getting them. Only green and white are worth the paper they'll be printed on. They're gonna put one money reprint to try and spur pack sales, with no guarantees once the novelty wears off.

I don't mind that they exist. I think if people with too much money to spend that want to foil out their decks have one more money sink to shoot for, by all means. If I get the chance to pull one in a draft, I like it. That said, their justifications in the article are bullshit. Standard will only be affected if these masterpieces actually make them sell that many more packs to have an oversupply of new cards so secondary market prices are dirt cheap (they have the metrics internally from the experiment with nu-zendikar and subsequently nu-innistrad), and the "we are giving you reprints!" Is bullshit too because the people who want reprints are looking for more supply and reduced prices, not a handful of foil mythic rarity reprints that will probably only drive up demand and costs will still remain absurd if expeditions are any indication.

The real issue here is the dude who will pull mana crypt and slaughter the limited grand prix due to the highest RNG variance mtg has ever seen.