WotC STOP Listening to Tumblr

>make an Indian themed set to please the Indians
>Indians still aren't happy
I spy 10 years of Medieval Europe on the way

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>>49257721
I agree, it's kinda ironic. A few vocal majority trying to exploit WotC for exploitations, even though WotC is trying to walk a thin line for these fuckers. The should stop listening and focus on a good quality product.

>>49257721
Return to Kaladesh should be about a WB nation colonising it

>>49257816
It's the eternal catch-22 of the social justice movement.

If you stick with writing what you know, other cultures aren't "represented" enough and you're "erasing" them.

But if you do try to include them, you're bound to get some detail or another wrong, and then you're guilty of being "insensitive" or of "cultural appropriation" out whatever bullshit they can come up with to make it out to be your fault that they're irrationally offended by your good-faith effort to include them.

Heads I win, tails you lose. The only winning move is not to play.

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>>49257816
The faggot that wrote the original blog post was that fucking fat Indian guy from Pax who said he was "I am watching you, Wizards"

See his Shit Street Post: http://talinthas.tumblr.com/post/150111624732/kaladesh-you-break-my-heart

It's clear that this guy is a fucking loser who is only using PC culutre to get some money and 5 minutes of internet fame. When will this bullshit end?

>>49257859
>and focus on a good quality product.
We both know MaRo is physically incapable of that - these days his main focus in Magic is to reuse mechanics from his less successful game in vain attempt to give some justification to their existence.

>>49257941
What an entitled asshole.

>>49257816
Exactly. If they stick to medieval europe they won't have to worry about people screaming "cultural appropriation" or getting mad because it's not accurate. They can just claim fantasy and call it a day.

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>>49257941
>When will this bullshit end?
November Anon, see related

>>49257974
>is to reuse mechanics from his less successful game
That explains alot, I just thought they were slowing down the game so they could make a new modern, starting with Origins forward.

>>49257816
>indian themed set to.please indians

dude it has single women doing stuff other than being good wives
it has educated women
it doesn't have obvious castes
it is critical of authority

as if it would pass muster

>>49257721
Doesn't the article in question have nothing to do with SJWS and more to do with the fact that Kaladesh is as culturally bankrupt as Theros?

... Damnit, I am going to have to read the post to figure out if it is actually by an Indian raised in America who is salty about Kaladesh having Islamic themes.

Just for this guy

Dowry X - when this creature enters the battlefield target opponent may pay X. If they do not, pair this creature with a creature they control

Paired creatures can't attack or block

If this creature would die, exile any creatures paired with it

Much better for.a loyal wife

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Can you make an Aurochs tribal deck? I want to call out anyone who uses a Kaladesh permanent to harm.a cow as insensitive

>>49257941
>I’m American, born and raised, though if you looked at me you wouldn’t think so. First gen immigrants still bear the marks of their ancestral homeland, and you can never hide from who you are.
>Spoke 3 languages before I started kindergarten, and none of them were english. >Had that funny accent from the get go, and the funny immigrant parent clothing and the funny immigrant parent lunches.
I'm fucking done

>>49257923
this. the product can't have possibly offensive elements. It must b bland, to not include things that would enrage any culture, Dragons and knights it is, and walkers won't be named Kiora Atua,but Jane Smith, and Daniqua Shisha

>>49258033
Presumably there are loos that are pooed in

>>49258121
>Daniqua Shisha
>D'ya nick 'er shisha?
So you're condoning stealing ethnic women's smoking paraphernalia now? Ugh

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>>49257941

> let me tell you a story.
> Imagine you lived in a village, and every year, the big store at the center of the village put on a display showcasing one of the families of the village, or the surrounding cultures, or whatever the theme they decided that year was. And one by one, you saw all of your neighbors get to go up, celebrate themselves, and be feted by the town. You participated joyfully, buy their items, share them around, because you loved seeing other people be happy, and you knew someday your turn would come too.
> Years passed, and your turn never came up. And then one year, they came and said, Ok, we need a theme this year, so why don’t you bring some clothes and fabrics and things to the shop, and maybe this can be your year.

This is absolutely, 100% the wrong way to feel about anything.

YOU are not in charge of Magic. YOU do not get to impose your will on the creators, and act upset if they don't design the art to your exact preferences.

What self-importance. What arrogance. And this is how he honestly feels?

Fuck, now I'm mad.

>>49258121
The twistedly hilarious thing here is that the guy who wrote the blog post referenced in the OP screencap is pissed PRECISELY BECAUSE WotC did their best to play it safe and respectful.

>It was an amazing anime, but it was not Indian. Or even india. All of those buildings and clothing styles were persian, not indian. And over and over I was told “We didn’t want to offend anyone. We didn’t want to step on real beliefs, or real cultural influences, or do anything to make anyone mad.”

LITERALLY, they were trying their damnedest to be sensitive and avoid any offense, and BY THE VERY FACT OF DOING SO they turned out a product that this guy found offensive. But you know what, if they had gone deeper on the Indian culture, I guarantee you some other enclave of SJWs would've been pissed that this detail is inaccurate, or that's an offensive stereotype, or this villainous character/faction seems to resemble this particular Indian subculture and OMG are you trying to imply that they're evil, etc.

In Social Justice Warfare, nobody wins. Ever.

>>49257941
For the loser it's 5 minutes of fame he will remember fondly for the rest of his empty life.
For the media that enable him it's another day at the job, another article that is guaranteed to get the readers because the libtards will care enough to praise it and other will care enough to hate it.
Sure, those people don't matter as the individuals, but there's entire branch of business that uses them en masse as a daily fuel. Just less literally than would be desirable.

Has anyone read the full thing?
The final fucking paragraph is nuts, he spends the entire fucking essay going on about "wahhhh, not muh..." then the final fucking closing arguments is about how he wasn't able to buy a FTV because someone else had fucking reserved it.

>A few years ago i was at pax, and they announced that they’d have FTV 20 for sale at cost. I camped out at 3am to try because lol, it’s magic and you’ll never get it at cost. I got in the hall and went as fast as i could and was like 14th in line for 10 possible copies. first seven or eight went, and a few others left the line till there were two more and a few dudes ahead of me. a soldier came in and took his copy that somehow had been reserved for him as a person with a disability of some kind. apparently the last copy had also been earmarked for a person with a disability, but she hadn’t shown up yet and it had been four or five hours since show opened. dudes in front of me bailed and it was just me. Lady at the counter sighed, took the copy, and placed it into my hand. my other hand had my money out. She started to reach for the money and then a voice rang out and said “Thanks for waiting!” and the lady straight took the box back out of my hand and pivoted to give it to the other person. I stood there for a few minutes, just stunned like someone had clocked me or something. My hand was still in the shape of holding the box.

>She turned, apologetically, and said “Sorry, that was the last one. But how about these chandra goggles instead?”

>I turned and left.

>I waited so long. I’m still waiting.

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>>49258254
>I guarantee you some other enclave of SJWs
I 100% agree, but I also feel that the Pax fatty would have still been upset, he's trying to get something out of this and the only why he can is by getting offended. It's like Anita, she doesn't give one fuck about women, she just found a way to make tons of money.

>In Social Justice Warfare, nobody wins. Ever.
Fucking true also Pic related

>>49258057

Pretty much. It's a very faint coat of Indian paint, which they are bitching about.

Basically: They wanted Indian Kamigawa, they got Indian Theros (If anything, even thinner as it doesn't touch on any mythology)

>>49258300
If he wants to start the Minority vs Disability tango, I'm in, that shit is hilarious

>>49258300
He probably thought it was a poignant metaphor for how he got shafted out of his special set just for him.

I don't think he realizes what a cunt he comes across as, being butthurt that he didn't get to take a disabled woman's stuff.

>>49257721
I bet most of these conversations went along the line of "Have you seen the fat indian nerd? LMAO"

>>49258329
>>49258352
You know, I don't really care about his opinion on Kaladesh. Fuck I can kind of empathise, I'm half mongolian and I'd have liked Tarkir to have drawn more from my cultures history.
But fuck me his, "I wasn't able to buy something because a disabled person got there first" shit rubs me the wrong fucking way.

>>49258300
>a soldier came in and took his copy that somehow had been reserved for him as a person with a disability of some kind
Somehow I feel he wanted to write something far ruder.

The guy probably had mental trauma and could have been missing a leg, but it's more important for Pajeet to get his cards.

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>>49257721
Then again, imagine if he had said he doesn't particulary care about these things. It's easier to drop some PC words and assume people will be sated.

(I know this doesn't excuse that he answers these. I wonder how many other inquiries about Social Justice he gets and how he picks which ones to answer).

This is going to end up with WotC establishing a diversity committee from whom they'll need approval before creating any world or character.

They've put a bunch of whiners on such a high pedestal that they can't call them out on their whining without sounding like hypocrites. Talk about painting yourself in a corner.

>>49258444
I wonder if we could turn this around and sic the SJW on him. The second cripple was a woman after all, shouldn't be too hard to trigger them with that kind of setup.

>>49258519
Get the left on him with the disabled woman and the right with dishonoring a veteran. EZ.

>>49258546
yeah, like pajeet needs more sympathy points
let WotC fuck up by actually caring about next plane mythology, watch SJWs offended by slavery or whatever, the pendulum swings again

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>>49257721
God Damn it WotC
>>49257941
Watching those Wizards employee's on stage walk on thin ice with their words, that fat fuck had them right were he wanted them.
>>49258511
God Damn it, this might happen, and it will be supported by the fucking mtg reddit too.

I wish WotC said something like this: "We decided to have an Indian based focus for this set since we wanted more cards/worlds that the diverse mtg community can relate to. We took the route we felt was best to reach that goal. If you have issues with how we represented Indians, then you are free not to play our game." or just "If you have an issue here's a tissue"

I feel like there's a /pol/ tier joke in there about him being mad he can't use the cards as toilet paper but I can't be fucked.

>>49257721
He just wants in on that sweet "consultant" cash that one company got for the forgetable Conspiracy 2 BW planeswalker.

You know, the funny thing is, for all I think this SJW blogger is entirely too up his own ass about the whole thing, I have to agree with him insofar as I'd have enjoyed much more if Kaladesh had a stronger influence of Indian culture and themes than it does. I couldn't care less about the whole "representation" thing, I just like learning about other cultures, and variety (as they say) is the spice of life.

Of course, I'm the kind of guy who fucking loved Kamigawa's flavor, whereas WotC these days is catering to the brain-damaged fuckwits who can't stomach anything that doesn't already fit into their neat little pop culture based preconceptions. So odds of getting a genuinely rich and interesting Indian plane (or any plane based on a foreign culture, for that matter) are slim to none. If they had really tried to make Kaladesh Indian in more than just the most superficial possible way, it would have undoubtedly been the most dumbed-down pop culture stereotyped India possible. Which would satisfy neither the SJWs, nor the folks like me who just like to explore a variety of cultures.

>>49258777

Maybe Egypt-land will be better

>>49257923
Or, and this is a thought, you could do some basic research and maybe even include someone with firsthand experience with that culture in the project.

I know you're OK eating the same microwaved crap over and over for all eternity, but some of us want to try something new every so often.

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>>49258793
>tfw you realise Bolas being the Pharaoh slides delicately around the skincolor question
I bet someone will get mad though

>>49258901
We wuz draguns and shit

The complaint was that the 'Indian' plane of Kaladesh is just a coat of paint on an artifact plane that doesn't seem to be inspired in any way by Indian mythology or culture.

They could at least have named the Demons Rakshasa or the Dwaves Vamana.

>>49258944
Maybe because India in real life is fucking SHIT?

>>49258960
And Mongolia is a pretty awful place to live, but Tarkir turned out okay fluff-wise. "Mahabharata, but with robots" should not have been a hard concept to write.

>>49257941
there's so much waffle here i can't be bothered to read through, i tried to find her point but i'm not sure if it's even there.

>>49258992
Tarkir was mongolian in exactly one respect, and that was the Mardu, which was a pretty shit place to live and was accurately reflected.

You cannot give India a positive coat of paint, especially by making it the most advanced society in the setting, without introducing ridiculous inaccuracies.

>>49258797
you realize the cause of microwaved crap is the sjw outcry, right?
You can't try new things if they might be offensive for someone, and there is enough someones to always be offended. Despite you wanting a cushy "asic cultural research" job at WotC, I doubt you could catch Atua, or any other mistake like it.

>>49258797
The problem is that then you end up with another Kamigawa which was a financial catastrophe. The alternative would have been to make another Theros which would have been an offensive stereotype of a living culture.

I'm sure a lot of people here would have preferred the former. The problem is, the majority of people who play Magic wouldn't, and so WotC decided to make a set that recembles India on the surface but has nothing to do with it in reality, because that was literally the only way to handle this situation with any form of sanity.

>>49258944

Wizards have been trying for a while now to avoid the problems of Kamiagawa: that no one wants a setting based deeply on a culture about which they neither know nor care.

It's why Theros is based on the things people *think* about ancient greek mythology rather than on actual ancient greek mythology and folklore. The product just sells better that way, and people prefer it.

>>49259066
I wasn't aware that "make the same medieval European fantasy over and over again forever" was an SJW goal. I think you're just blaming everything on SJWs again.

>>49258511
This would be the beginning of the end. I can see it now
> maro approaches the closed door with a manila folder in hand
> knocks 3 times
> "YOU MAY ENTER!"
> the room is dark
> Maro bows down before the Diversity Council raising the folder above his head
> "oh wise masters! I have brought you the mechanics for a new block!"
> a hand reaches out from the shadows and snatches the folder
> maro shrinks back
> "WHAT IS THIS?!" shrieks a voice from the darkness
> "KIIIIIIIICKER?! REUSING A MECHANIC? AND AN OFFENSIVE ONE?!" comes another voice
> "wh-whats so offensive about Kicker?" maro asks in a quivering voice
> "PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS CANT KICK YOU CIS-ABLEIST SCUM!"
> "b-but the fans love Kicker!"
> "WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE FANS! DIVERSITY OVER DOLLARS! WE WANT REPRESENTATION! OUR CONSULTANTS DEMAND IT!"
> "i'll r-remove the offending mechanic xir! right away!
> A page turns in the darkness and another voice screeches out
> "A COMBAT TRIGGERED MECHANIC?!!! MY PTSD!"
> "WHY IS THERE STILL AN ATTACK STEP? ATTACKING IS LITERALLY RAPE! CHANGE THIS NOW!" screams the scond
> "HELP ME ! IM BEING RAPED!" cries a third voice
> "the mechanic is good as gone glorious council!" maro bows lower to the floor "what about the last one?"
> the folder flies from the darkness
> "WE WILL NOT READ IT! YOU HAVE TRIGGERED US ENOUGH FOR THIS DAY! TRICK! ESCORT ROSEWATER BACK TO HIS CUBICLE! YOU WILL SCRAP THIS SET AND CREATE A NEW SET THAT IS NOT OFFENSIVE IN ANY WAY BY THE END OF THE WEEK! YOU WILL THEN EXCLAIM ON TUMBLR HOW EXCITED YOU ARE FOR IT SO THAT WE MAY REBLOG IT MANY TIMES!"

and that is how we end up with the set with now white creatures, no removal spells, and no interaction. Players now cast their 0/1 creatures and stare at each other while the winner is determined by decking. Except there are no winners so no ones feelings get hurt. all games are draws.

>>49259134
Sooo... blue deck?

>>49258322
What is this Anita, and what the fuck did she do?

>>49259152
counterspells are oppressive

>>49259132
It's a byproduct of their actions, not their goal. Reading comprehension.

>/tg/ STOP Listening to /pol/
>Just Stop, these people barely make up 1% of the player base. Trying to cater to them is impossible. These stupid fat stormNEET bloggers have /tg/ shitposting for them.

>>49259132
>You can't try new things if they might be offensive for someone, and there is enough someones to always be offended.
there you go, core of my previous post. Knights and dragons have the amazing ability of being unoffensive. Kaladesh needed to be milquetoast for that. And someone is offended that it's milquetoast too. Can't win

>>49258992
>Mahabharata, but with robots

Holy shit that would have been amazing.

>>49259125
It's deeply depressing that you're right.

I mean I thought Kamigawa was cool and Theros was disappointing, but I recognize I'm in the heavy minority.

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>>49259171
Anita Sarkeesian turned the video games industry into a world of gender politics. He "non profit" company made half a million non taxable dollars thru donations from numale cucks and fat feminist. She brainwashed a generation of nerd girls from "I like FF7 and Adventure time" into "shut it you CIS white male, your way of life is oppressing me"

I feel for the guys pain, but he does have unrealistic expectations. Wizards has learned that just dipping into mythology doesn't get you there in terms of design space: there has to be something else going on besides the Locally Guided Tour of Your Cherished 4k year old Mythos to capture people's attention. Kamigawa was entirely mythos and didn't sell great, and Theros had a little more going for it and was only pretty good. Wotc has to splice in elves, demons, dragons, Twilight Zone gremlins, Speed Racer and Worlds Fair and Mughal shit because people want a whole bunch of shit going on. It's not realistic anymore to demand an entire plane for your 4000 years of culture because the audience has a bunch of touchstones they want to reach for to get their bearings. People want the Disney Epcot version of your culture and heritage and WotC get burned every time they don't deliver that. This man has learned that you shouldnt hope for your culture to get a turn at being magicified anymore.

Though really they should give proper Hindi names to the elves demons, angels and dragons if they are forced to have them. Namedropping Asuras, Devas, and Maruts might encourage some normies to explore your 4k year old culture in a way that isn't a children's card game. Wizards not facilitating that is pretty lazy.

>>49259256
has "consulted" or contributed to the Betrayal at House on the Hill Expansion, a wotc published board game.

>>49259256
Jesus H Christ.

>>49259177
>>49259211
Except it sounds like the real problem is that MtG's player base likes microwaved crap and won't eat anything but microwaved crap. It's disingenuous to blame SJWs for that.

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>>49259212
Fuck, Indian mythology had nuke-arrows wielded by god.

Imagine if the metaphorical nukes were actual goddamn nukes.

Indian mythology is metal as fuck, adding cyber-fantasy to it makes it even metalier.

>>49259282
But if you just slap a name on elves and dwarves, you end up with "This isn't close enough to the actual mythos!", followed by a wide variety of insults, accusations, and sometimes even calls to pull the entire set.
Especially Indian stuff. Their religious leaders regularly call for removal of Indian gods from games (Under an almost reasonable "You shouldn't be able to control these gods like puppets." argument), and making it more accurate just makes them call harder.

>>49259256
Not this /v/ shit again.

>>49259256
Poor neckbeard. Did you felt threatened 'cause your boys club exploded in your face? Sucks to be you, little boy.

>>49259340
I dunno, the gods problem has a point.

SMITE is the obvious example. It's generally a load of wacky ancient gods that nobody takes seriously any more. Look how funny they are, guys! Look how cool it is to play as Zeus! And Ymir! And this god from a religion worshipped by literally over a billion people! Isn't it all just so silly?

But not Jesus. Can't have Jesus. Or Uriel or Satan or any of the saints. Because that'd be disrespectful.

I really want to play as Azrael so much ;-;

>>49259340
I remember years ago wondering how Indians feel about Shiva, Ramuh, etc. being summon able in Final Fantasy, and how much shit would go down if you could get Jesus, Moses, Muhammed. This was different times.

The fact is that no gamers will care too much about your culture if they can't interact with it, if it's in a window box display or on your mantlepiece. They want to go into the store that this guy postulates in the article, and dress up in saris and bindis and play with their Ganesh headed loxodons and get bonuses for being Dravidian or whatever. It's Wizards job to keep making a good faith attempt at giving others a chance to experience that literal magic and mythos, and it's their job to let them meet them halfway. I don't think either Wizards or India guy is doing their job.

>>49259458
Jew here.

Gimme my Moses summon. Fuck you.

>>49259442
>But not Jesus. Can't have Jesus. Or Uriel or Satan or any of the saints. Because that'd be disrespectful.
>In a game about pantheons fighting each other people want a monotheistic religion...

Its Smite, why would they add Christianity when there would be one playable god and the rest would be mere angels and demons? Sure pantheons also have monsters and demons and shit but the majority of the pantheon not being actual Gods is a waste of design space...

ON TOP of that they have added numerous Angel and Demon skins, including an Azrael like skin... Its so many angelic/ demonic skins that fans are actually complaining about the endless surge of that shit.

But Smite, with the exception of Hindu, have pantheons no longer worshiped, characters from mythology.

Greeks and Romans
Vikings
Egyptian
Mayan
Chinese
Japanese
Hindu

of all of these only Hindu is still worshiped, and the insane majority of their worshipers aren't even in the demographic to play Smite.

But yes, they didn't think of those complaints originally, but the only difference is that every time a Hindu throws a fit, a number of hindu players stand up for Smite, commenting on the accuracy and detail and such nonsense, so it never goes anywhere.

>>49259282
Like, think how fucking rad that could have been:

>obligatory angels are ebony fire and storm spirits with sweet headdress
>obligatory demons are multitusked multi armed mariliths and shit
>more vehicles are sky chariots, and warriors engage in sky archery duels with great bows
>remove elves, replace with nagas
>keep cute dwarves

>>49257721

I wish he would have had a serious conversation with R&D about the FUCKING REPRINT POLICY AND RESERVE LIST YOU FUCKING HACKS.

>>49259571
Fuck yeah man! Get Ezekiel and all the other OP as fuck Old Testament shit in there.

>>49259602
Nigga where's Metatron.

>>49259575
Japan still has active Shinto-Buddhists. The religion is small, not dead.

>>49259613
in Undertale

>>49259627
There's an r, smartass.

>>49259382
I genuinely love seeing girls in my hobby, but I don't like Anita's Sex-Negative attitudes and her criticisms of some games are obviously based on a surface level reading of marketing instead of complex look at the games she examines. Her work is sloppy and she should not be regarded as an expert.

As a Cherokee I'd love to see a block with Native American flavor but I know too many people would cry about it.

Shame, too, there's a lot of potential there.

>>49259580
They likely have discussions about both, but they also can't tell us about it nor why they can't tell us.

>>49259575
>Chinese
>Japanese
Uh, dude, there may be less Shintoists and Taoists than Hindus, but they do exist.

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>>49259313
The SJWs exacerbate the problem by insisting that nothing short of perfect fidelity to the original culture is acceptable.

The plebs could at least stomach more than what we're getting as far as cultural elements in the block aesthetics, but we can't even have that because the SJWs will cry racism if it isn't absolutely perfect. They're actually more accepting of the more whitewashed settings -- or at least, their bitching is easier to deal with there, since it's easier to deflect accusations of "erasure" than it is to deflect accusations of disrespecting or misrepresenting a foreign culture.

>>49259707
>I don't like Anita's Sex-Negative attitudes
All American movements have been puritan, regardless of how conservative or progressive they are.

>her criticisms of some games are obviously based on a surface level reading
It's not even her criticism. Macinstosh writes all the episodes. Anita is just the face of the product. Kinda like Maro, but not really because Maro still has some form of power over the product he promotes.

>>49259738
Their gods are different though, they are already stories that are told and reinterpreted in their societies and as such have less problems with them being in videogames. No one is going to complain that NeZha or XingXian are "sacred and should never be played" or that Guan Yu is inappropriate.

>>49259728

Choctaw here. The nation can't tax Magic cards, cries foul because they're "gambling", and got them removed from the shop that sold them in town. Same with all TCGs.

Screw the tribe, screw wanting anything Native American, I'm going full white-wash.

>>49257923
>It's the eternal catch-22 of the social justice movement.
The social justice "movement" is not a hivemind. It's the eternal catch-22 of expecting to be able to please everybody, which is pure retardation and deserves the inevitable difficulties it encounters.

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>>49259321
>Indian mythology is metal as fuck
>Rampaging Kali can only be pacified by literally stepping on man.
metal my ass, hindus were the original beta males

>>49259819
>cries foul because they're "gambling"
I thought you guys all had casinos. Are they worried about competition?

>>49259819
That's some shit

>>49259878

Casinos are essentially pure profit.

They can't force a ludicrous hike on pack prices and skim 99% of the profits, so they want it gone. Like anything else they can't leech off of.

I swear, the Euros should have coughed harder on the blankets they gave us.

>>49259768
Sounds like a strawman. You don't have to choose between being perfect cultural representation and stereotypes in funny hats. Do some basic research, get shit right, and make up shit that's actually inspired by what you're giving homage to instead of slapping a mask on an elf and orc and calling it a day.

>>49259914
>instead of slapping a mask on an elf and orc and calling it a day
Now I want every repackaged card to literally just be wearing a setting appropriate tribal mask and have a profile something like 'Masked Orc 1/1'

>>49258057
More culturally bankrupt than Theros actually.

>>49258325
Pajeet here would have been happy with an Indian Theros, which was a quick splash of paint and calling the demon "Asura of whatever" in the card name slot.

His bitching is basically that we got Steampunk with some Indian spices thrown at it instead of Indian Steampunk. He's upset WotC was too safe.

>>49258793
Egypt has western knowledge like Greece thanks to Napoleon and the Prince of Egypt. It'll be _GREAT_

Expect a cycle of high cost strong spells called "Plague of _____"

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>WotC catches flak for being half assed in mixing Hindi shit, robots, and anime shamelessly
>laughingspaniards.jpg

This idea might sound a little crazy, but if you dorks are really this upset about a corporation trying to make money, then vote with your wallets and stop buying their products.

Complaining about it on 4chan just tells Wizards "hey, these are the Internet racists that we heard about, better do the opposite of what they want". Yes, you might miss the next "block" (I don't play Magic, I just see the daily threads about faggots complaining about whatever SJWs are complaining about that day), but it will create an actual result.

Or it won't and you'll realize that you're the unimportant and unwanted demographic.

If Mark Rosewater tells you that WotC will only ever use bottom-up designs and never do another Theros/Kamigawa/Mirage, it seems counterintuitive to believe that Kaladesh would be anything like them.

Heck, based on the fact that so few people even know what an asura or rakshasa is (aside from "jazz hands"), even what we got in Kaladesh came as a surprise to me (eg. four-armed angels and elephantine goblins).

Honestly, though, I'm mostly saddened by the fact that WotC's focus on the Gatewatch has caused representation issues like this.

>>49258057
No. The author says he wanted an Indian Theros, something Wizards conciously choose not to do because that's essentially blackface (something they could get away with in Theros because no one actually believes in those stories anymore).

I don't know, maybe Prajeet, or whatever his name is, just doesn't realize how offensive and distasteful Theros would be to someone who actually believed and practiced ancient Greek religion? Maybe he thinks it was just as faithful as Kamigawa was to Shintoism?

>>49257941
That last part though.
>waaaaah I was too late to queue for a release and those evil DISABLED PEOPLE got their cards instead of me

>>49259340

Eh,

Having Angels borrow heavily but not use the exact terms of Hindu mythology works well enough.

Would it be awesome if Asura and Deva were used? Yes, but not stamping a non-legandary creature with a themed name of a magic creature is gonna happen.

>>49260083
No more kamigawa? They really said that?

>>49260105
There are still people who practice the Hellenistic faith. I really don't think they care about Theros

>>49260178
There are also people who claim to practive Asatrú, but they are clearly just neo-pagan wafflefucks.

>>49260155
Kamigawa was very top-down. "Bushido" could have been called something else. Spirits could have been called something other than "Kami". The most new parts of Kamigawa had everything to do with its setting - otherwise we'd have seen Splice, Arcanes, etc. on cards not related to Kamigawa.

WotC have said on multiple occasions that they won't do another top-down set. If something bottom-up fits the plane of Kamigawa, however, I don't see why they couldn't return to the plane. After the stuff that happened in the novels, the world would've changed a great deal, after all - and the "present" is probably hundreds if not thousands of years into the future anyway.

>>49260178
Yeah but that's few outliers in a small as fuck country or out in the rural sticks.

That's different that fucking up and pissing off the largest religion of a country with 4 times the population of the United States.

>>49260201
Eh, Asatro is different since it's still disputed whether there was actually a pantheon as such, or if the gods were just regional deities that were rationalized as a pantheon by later generations.

>I agree, it's kinda ironic. A few vocal majority trying to exploit WotC for exploitations, even though WotC is trying to walk a thin line for these fuckers. The should stop listening and focus on a good quality product.
What a false dichotomy. You act like this ISN'T focusing on trying to make a good quality product.

I get that /tg/ is afraid of different demographics, but /tg/ isn't WotC's core demographic. Making a quality product and making a product that resonates faithfully with the culture that it's trying to represent and take inspiration from are not incompatible goals. In fact, quite the opposite: Making something that resonates more faithfully with it's inspirational material IS what makes a product have better quality.

>>49257923
You act like valid criticism is equivalent to being thrown in the gulags. Good-faith doesn't mean you've succeeded, and I'm glad that Wizards of the Coast and other developers aren't so afraid of criticism that they go into a furor if anyone ever complains.

>>49258797
No, don't be silly. You should just go with your gut feeling and base it on stereotypes you get from /int/ and /pol/.

>>49259066
>>49259177
>It's a byproduct of their actions, not their goal
The social justice movement as people define ~SJWs~ didn't even exist before 2011, and wasn't really a thing until about 2013. The rehashed Medieval European fantasy setting has been a staple since before most of us were even alive. Saying that people are sticking to bland cookie cutter settings out of some kind of fear of SJWs is ridiculous.

Especially ridiculous is that half the comments in these threads talk about how ~SJWs~ are a shadowy cabal that forces developers to change things, while the other half complain that it's a tiny tiny minority and that they shouldn't be pandered to.

But then again, like I said in a previous thread: Privilege is being pandered to and having it called marketing.

>>49258228
>YOU are not in charge of Magic. YOU do not get to impose your will on the creators, and act upset if they don't design the art to your exact preferences.
Isn't this entire thread /tg/ doing the exact same thing? In fact, that's EVERY Magic thread.

>>49260223
>WotC have said on multiple occasions that they won't do another top-down set
>Theros and Innistrad are basically the most succesful planes in the past decade
What kind of business sense is that?

>>49260223
>WotC have said on multiple occasions that they won't do another top-down set.
That's bullshit. Both Innistrad and Theros were considered successes. What they won't do is base their top down designs on the actual source material but the pop culture understanding of it.

>>49259779
>All American movements have been puritan, regardless of how conservative or progressive they are.

You have apparently no idea what any of those words mean. It's like you took letters and put them in a blender and stopped churning them when they resembled a sentence, despite making absolutely no sense.

>>49260279
when Maro mentions /tg/ you will be right

>>49259256
>>49259171
>>49258322
>Anita, she doesn't give one fuck about women, she just found a way to make tons of money.
People who believe this are on the level of Birthers and Infowarriors. Seriously, all evidence points to the contrary, and yet everyone gets TRIGGERED over her.

This article highlights some of the gymnastics people do to hate Anita.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian

>inb4 someone bitches that RationalWiki is too SJW for them

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>>49260201
The originals are just retropagans. What's the difference? Ellinais even has state recognition, and if anything it's more authentic than Wicca and the other neopagan religions

>>49260236
It's one guy and a lot of tumblr nerds

>>49260290
>not the source material, the pop culture
Why not Bollywood?

>>49260351
Please, SJW, fuck off. Possibly die, but definitely fuck off.

>>49260379

Wtf is that gif man, I need that shit.

>>49259707
>>49259256
Be honest here: Have you ever actually watched any of her videos? Have you listened to anything she actually says?
Or did you watch Probably Sargon or Thunderf00t or Amazing Atheist rant and rave about how MEAN she is?
Because she's not sex negative (in fact, as far as I can tell the opposite is true), and she has literally never said anything approaching "shut it you CIS white male, your way of life is oppressing me".

Christ, I hate #Gamergate. It's like Glenn Beck level bullshit for nerds.

>>49259942
>He's upset WotC was too safe.
That's kind of a valid criticism, though.
"You said you wanted to do an Indian world, but you just made a steampunk world that looks Indian."

>>49260351
Isn't she that woman who claimed to be a "woman of color" even though her ethnicity are among the whitest people on the fucking planet?

>>49257941
See, the chucklefucks who think this way miss one very crucial fact: Kaladesh is NOT INDIA. It's Indian-flavored, a veneer of vaguely southeast-Asian imagery, nomenclature, and culture, but was never intended to be a 1:1 representation of any part of the world we live in. It's like putting jerk chicken on a pizza: it doesn't make it a Caribbean dish, and that's not the point.

And this is coming from what you'd call a "liberal". I'm glad we're getting other flavors, drawing from other sources of inspiration. It's a good thing for the game, because variety is the spice of life and all that. But seeing shit like this, and MaRo's response to it, is a reminder that not everyone's on the same page here. Treating this as a matter of "inclusion" or "representation" in the way Tumblr and SJWs in general tend to just makes no sense, but that's how it's being framed.

>>49260379
>It's one guy and a lot of tumblr nerds
Yeah the way they did it resulted in this, which is really acceptable.

The other way, which would of been indian blackface basically, would have pissed off a lot more people.

>>49258033
Man, as an Indian dude I kind of wish they had gone for broke with our crazy esoteric mythology. Like we have so many crazy ghosts and spirits; my family's regional cult is based around appeasing goddamn ghosts and that shit is fascinating.

Throw in Yaksha and Raksha and Naga proper; really go to town on how fucking weird shit can get. Have the world actually be on the back of a goddamn turtle held aloft by elements; have it be a world that is literally flat and acts as a cosmic chess board between the forces of righteousness and wickedness who all take turns and spin along a cosmic wheel where one will become the next.

You could still bring in the bizarre magitech aspect too. Go full fucking Vivec allegory with stuff. You could have trans people and gingers and wives to wives; but you'd have to present it as though this plane is about taking the weirdest aspects of Hinduism and Animism in the region with some Zoroastrianism and Buddhism and just playing it up to the most ridiculous level.

Fuck. Hinduism is a religion of allegory, most of our gods are reincorporations of other deities; that's how we fucking existed for 4000+ years. Ganesh is just Jesus; look at the timelines and talk to some prominent theologians on the subject.

Hell, Kaladesh as a plane where the mythology of Magic: The Gathering was incorporated to fit an Indian vibe could be glorious. Misinterpretations of Bolas and other shit made manifest, contending against and working for their original forms.

>>49260404
Okay, this thread is shitty and I hate to be on this side of the argument, but some of Anita's videos do point out that she's a shitty feminist.

Her review of the video for "Monster" by Kanye West actually felt pretty racist to me. She didn't bother to look at the context or meaning of the video, presumably only seeing "Ooga booga black man has dead girls on the screen, must be treating them as objects."

Some of her videogame-related critiques are valid, and the entire nerd community does have a misogyny problem, but Anita herself is not a great spokesperson.

>>49260395
An Indian film called Endhiran. Gif is from about 1:30 in this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysbbPStfWw

>>49260439
>indian blackface basically, would have pissed off a lot more people.
You don't know that.

>>49259981
Aleph models are only named after Hindu mythology. They have nothing in common otherwise. Kinda like navy seals aren't really animals

>>49260404
>"You said you wanted to do an Indian world, but you just made a steampunk world that looks Indian."
The problem is, they didn't say that. They told him straight up, when he asked about the possibility, that this was exactly how it would probably go.

>About four years ago at the theros party at pax, I asked magic head designer Mark Rosewater if we’d ever see an Indian themed set. He said they’d never make a top down set because the tropes weren’t understood by the masses, and folks wouldn’t get it, because it lacked resonance. 4,000 years of culture, but ok. He said if they did it it would be a bottom up set with an indian overlay.

But he saw one Indian lady in a sari and got his hopes up on his own. Sure, the reality is lame and disappointing regardless, but he was told, to his face, by Maro himself, that this was how it would go. He has nobody to blame but himself when those hopes get dashed.

>>49260465
>I kind of wish they had gone for broke with our crazy esoteric mythology
I agree. However, as it turns out I am in a minority here. Most Magic players would not want that and wouldn't buy the product.

>>49260380
>catchphrases and buzzwords in response to actual coherent shit
Keep /pol/ in /pol/

>>49260494
>Most
Loud.

>>49260494
>tfw no monoblack Jagganath/Kali control deck
Maybe in another life

>>49260511
keep tumblr in tumblr then

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>>49260465
That would be pretty fucking sick

>>49260312
Just because Maro doesn't care about what goes on in this dumpster fire of an imageboard doesn't mean /tg/ isn't whining that the game should change to suit them.
He cares about the other people because they actually come to him and discuss their issues. And, also, they're not alt-right MRAs like a lot of the people in these threads seem to be.

>>49260395
Check out r/bollywoodrealism on Reddit and/or Imgur. It's basically gifs of crazy as fuck Indian cinema where the laws of physics and logic can go fuck themselves.

>>49260410
No. You might be thinking of Rachel Dolealz?

>>49260411
I think that's sort of the point. "This setting is really just an Indian coat of paint instead of Indian inspired". They're saying they're disappointed specifically BECAUSE it's just aesthetically Indian.

>>49260482
She's not a TERF or a SWERF, so she's not a shitty feminist. She can do better. I haven't actually seen most of her videos, though, so I can't comment on any specifically.
>Anita herself is not a great spokesperson.
She didn't make herself one, other people did; she's not really a spokesperson for feminism anyway. I mean, most of third wave feminism is actually from academia, not Tumblr. Anita isn't some big voice in the movement; she IS however a spokesperson for cyberbullying awareness, because no fucking shit.

>>49260489
Seems like they misunderstood what "an Indian overlay" would entail. Presumably they thought it would involve more Indian narrative elements.

>>49260465
>>49260494
INDIAN SPACESHIPS

>>49260529
It was /pol/ that created the fucking thread.

>>49260529
>no excellent quality pornographic gifs to be seen
Looks like tumblr has successfully been kept in tumblr, now it is your turn

>>49260494
This is pretty much the problem. Nerds are trash and would gobble up some Aladdin/Mysterious Orient train wreck.

>>49257721
>"Wahh! Racial diversity is taking over muh gaems!!"

This triggers the /pol/tard.

DESIGNATED

The Silumgar were way more cool than anything on Kaladesh. They at least had Rakshasa and Naga.

Why the hell are there no Naga in this set? Elves bother me as well. Wizards really dropped the ball on this one.

>>49260555
>>no excellent quality pornographic gifs
>in the age of .webm

>>49260537
And I'm saying his point is retarded. Kaladesh is not India, and picking nit over how much of it could or couldn't pass as being "authentically Indian" or whatever misses the point. It sounds like a classic case of an entitled little shit with unreasonable expectations getting upset when he hasn't been sufficiently pandered to.

Again, to reiterate the point, Kaladesh is not India.

What about a block inspired by Turok?

>Tribal warriors
>Alien tech
>Dinosaurs
What could go wrong there?

>>49260606
>Why the hell are there no Naga in this set?
Really, that's the one spot where I can safely say WotC dropped the ball. I want me some snekgrills. And accuracy, I guess.

>>49260593
SUPERPOWER

>>49260622
Turok has problem with "no firearms ever" creed.
Try Dinotopia.

>>49259134
>> "WHY IS THERE STILL AN ATTACK STEP? ATTACKING IS LITERALLY RAPE! CHANGE THIS NOW!" screams the scond
>> "HELP ME ! IM BEING RAPED!" cries a third voice
kek

>>49259382
Killing the industry

>>49260622
FUCK YOU MURAGANDA NEVER
t. wizards

Wtf did this dude want from a magic the gathering set an acurate representation of india?
So overpopulation gang rape and slums seriouly this set is called kaladesh not india

>>49260610
Tumblr not supporting webms makes no Goddamned sense to me.

>>49260583
I would love an actual Arabian Nights setting. I mean, one that's up to modern standards, not the one that came out way before I cared about Magic and only slightly sooner before WotC itself cared about Magic.

>>49260616
It's not really a nitpick. You can keep saying "Kaladesh is not India", but that's the point. People wanted an actual Indian setting.

>>49259134
>>49260676
It never ceases to amazing me how little /tg/ actually knows about the social justice movement. But that's what happens when you get your info from cherrypicked or trolling blogs linked on r/tumblrinaction and /pol/, or dumbass New Atheist Youtubers trying to find a new outlet now that no one needs their help being told Christianity is stupid.

>>49260682
Really? Someone better tell WotC that Magic isn't ACTUALLY making them the shitloads of money that they think they are.
In fact, it actually seems to me that diversity is growing the industry.

But then again, I bet you're one of those people who thinks criticism is censorship.

>2018
>Egypt block spoilers
>the flavor is closer to yugioh than the actual mythology
That's my guess for the future

> Magic shifted from I am the Planeswalker to These dudes are the Planeswalkers and you’re telling their story through cards
Guy doesn't even know the lore kek

>>49260758
fingers crossed for stargate-tier lore. all gods are just dickwaving walkers.

>>49260731
So people wanted something that hasn't been done before a set of a literal country and exact culture these same people would be screaming cultural apropriation if that happened you realize that right

>>49260758
Egyptian God Cards are already confirmed I'm holding out hope they're based off of Bolas's elder dragon buddies he hates to name himself the supreme God of that plane.

>>49260775
i think he's referring specifically to the focus on the gatewatch and their overarching narrative over local flavor that you as a planeswalker ostensibly interact with

>>49260379
>Why not Bollywood?
Kaladesh isn't a top down design. But even if it was Bollywood wouldn't be a good fit either because it's still far too obscure. And even if it wasn't it would still not be a good fit because Magic only does original settings these days, so even if - especially if - they did a setting based on Indian mythology and culture inspired heavily by Bollywood's interpretation of the subject it would just come out as even more offensive.

>>49260731
>Tumblr not supporting webms makes no Goddamned sense to me.
Much of the internet is still very backwards as far as webm support.

I recently discovered that while imgur will host webms, it won't let you upload webms. That is, every webm you find on imgur was uploaded as a (likely very large) gif, and imgur's own systems converted it to webm for hosting. If you already have a webm, nope, can't upload it.

>>49260775
>>49260810
>i think he's referring specifically to the focus on the gatewatch and their overarching narrative over local flavor that you as a planeswalker ostensibly interact with
No, that can't be right, that would mean he's complaining about something that /tg/ complains about, and that's impossible because he's The Other!

>>49260792
It's been done plenty of times, what the hell are you talking about? Theros did it, for one. Hell, Arabian Nights was actually based on the 1001 Arabian Nights. Even Khans was more than just slapping some Mongolian aesthetic on shit, though not much more, because Khans had the worst story structure possible.

Also, cultural appropriation isn't "basing a fictional setting on a real culture". If anything, what Kaladesh does is more cultural appropriation than Theros.

>>49260840
I thought Imgur used gifv for some stupid fucking reason.

>>49260731
>People wanted an actual Indian setting
And what they got was what we all should have expected: an Indian *themed* set. Complaining about ways in which it's not "Indian enough" is practically the definition of nitpicking.

It's not perfect. It was never going to be perfect. Perfection was not the goal. Kaladesh is not a literal representation of India. Fucking deal with it.

>>49260861
They call it .gifv but it's literally just webm. If you go to save one of their ".gifv" files, it will save to your hard drive as a webm.

>>49259624
Japanese gods were only added very recently. Until that point I believe every pantheon except hinduism (and /some/ of the chinese gods /arguably/) was a dead faith.

>>49259575
The greeks/romans have a shitload of characters who are either not gods or just shitty gods nobody cared about in the actual religion (who the fuck cares about janus?).

They could easily make a christian/jewish/islamic pantheon with some kickass characters, they only don't because it would offend people.

I have no idea why I'm arguing this and derailing the thread.

>>49259357
You have time, don't let the same fate of /v/ befall /tg/

Im serious you can stomp this out before it gets outa hand and you guys have your own version of Table Gate.

>>49260404
Yeah, I've watched several. I just don't agree with her. Her video game critiques are extremely surface level and almost never talk about mechanics (the actual important part) and only on appearances.

It's sickening in the same way that people say old games are bad because of bad graphics. She or whoever is really doing the work is saying "video games are sexist because sexist graphics" which is just as dumb of a statement when mechanics matter so much more.

As an example, she critisizes Super Princess Peach (a game I have 101% completed) by pointing out that it's about a woman who can't control her emotions and paints women as weak. Mechanically this can't be further from the truth. Mechanically, Peach is in total control of her emotions and uses them to become more powerful and solve her problems. In addition, every other character in the game is either male or gender nuetral and also uses emotions to become more powerful to achieve their goals. Every one of those male-ish characters has less control over their emotions than peach, who is again in total control and empowered, not weakened, by them. This means that mechanically, it paints men as slaves to their emotions and women as enlightened masters of them if you want to push that interpretation to the extreme. So it's clear her team didn't actually play the game and just said "Look, she's crying in the advertisements sometimes, she must be weak! How sexist!"

kaladesh isn't india

it's okay that there are dwarves in kaladesh because there are rakshasa in tarkir

magic expansions aren't created in a void, they have to at least somewhat mesh with all previous sets

>>49260865
I feel like we're having a circular argument here. I KNOW WHAT WE GOT.
People are wishing that it was more. No one wanted perfection, they just wanted more than a visual design.

I mean, shit, I expected Kaladesh to be more than just a coat of paint. I think most of /tg/ did as well. I'm hoping the Egyptian setting is at least as good as Theros, thematically.

>>49259575
>of all of these only Hindu is still worshiped, and the insane majority of their worshipers aren't even in the demographic to play Smite.
This is a dumb argument. Whether they play or not, the game can still offend them, and I doubt that literally no Hindu has ever played Smite.

>>49259340
You don't just literally use the existing mythology. You create a fictional mythology that's similar. That's what Theros did, it's what Khans did, it's what Innistrad did. In all likelihood, that's what Amonkhet will do.

>>49260910
What the fuck are you talking about?
Again, #Gamergate pisses me off so much because it's bringing the same kind of Alex Jones loony brigade into nerd shit. I don't want the fucking conspiracy theorist MRA nationalist "anti-racist is code for anti-white" nutjobs in my hobby. I *DO* want inclusiveness and diversity, not fucking idiots who get their undies in a twist because they're whiny babies.

>>49260351
Just end it all senpai. No is girl is gonna sleep with you anyway.

>>49260892
>christian/jewish/islamic pantheon
>Thinking these are all the same
Your right, melding them all together WOULD offend people

Sure the greeks have Medusa and Scylla, but the VAST majority of their character are actual gods. In Christianity you have Jesus... then the rest would be random angels and demons, of which there are few and their actual descriptions are barely anything to go off of... Smite covers them with skins, fucking archon Thanatos alone is basically any angel character you could want.

>>49257721
Yep, wasn't Indian enough. Everything wasn't covered in shit.

>>49258121
See, but then you're whitewashing. Not enough diversity.

>>49260968
How MUCH more did you honestly expect? At what point would you have considered it "sufficiently Indian"? And when it was clearly designed as a steampunk/aether heavy setting, what made you think the Indian influences were going to be in any way predominant?

You're nitpicking.

>>49260794
Now that you mention Elder Dragons I really want a Timespiral like block that takes place during Bolas's ascension and his duel with the Leviathan planeswalker, his feud with his cousins and stuff like that.

>>49260487
You have grasped my core conceit, well done, anon. All of the Vedic cyborgs just have names (designations?) and no other characteristics, but it works because it's fun to play around with these names. Kaladesh constructs could have been called Dakini and their flying thopters could be called Garuda and it would be pretty sweet. It's a perfectly fine way to add flavor to your robots and cyborgs and shit but Wizards couldn't make that last step.

Why didn't Germans complain about Innistrad and the butchering of their language, painting them as evil and wicked crusaders?

>>49260968
you need to include the "whiny babies" in your worldview, unless the diversity means people of different colours and triggers, but with the same opinion on everything :^)
Also Gamergate was right, for limited amount of time. Finding that game journalists are just a clique (kinda like you're trying to make MtG into) is actually important, ecause it reminds people to not trust blindly when someone writes a good review. You would prefer doxxing through.

>>49260555
>Excellent quality
Shit lasts like 4 seconds man before repeating

>>49261062
>And when it was clearly designed as a steampunk/aether heavy setting,
The Bhagavad Gita is literally a sci-fi story

Guys there isn't even designated shitting streets how can i even feel at home with this set

>>49260258
>are a shadowy cabal
No, they are a loud and immensely faggy cabal.

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>>49260912
She's talked about mechanics before. In fact, mechanics and plot are some of the things she constantly mentions. One of the only videos of hers I've watched was the Assassin's Creed Syndicate review. It praised the fact that there's a diverse cast and even a transman that's treated as a character instead of an oddity, and criticized things like the way you defeat shitty labor laws by... killing overseers and freeing child slaves (although it could be worse; Errant Signal has a video about how Freedom Cry essentially has you indulging in the same problems as the slave trade, without the game acknowledging the irony).

Regarding Super Princess Peach, I feel YOU are reading too much into it, though I've neither played the game nor seen the video. Still, from all the other reviews I've seen of it, the impression I get is not that Peach is an enlightened Ubermensch (Uberfrau?) in control of her emotions. The game definitely seems to portray her as crying and getting angry at the drop of a hat, and the trope of the biopolar, hyper emotional woman IS an incredibly sexist one.

>>49260983
>Implying people only care about social justice because they're white knights who want feminist chicks to sleep with them
Anon, I prefer my girls to have cocks.

>>49261062
>How MUCH more did you honestly expect?
I've mentioned Theros like six fucking times. Yes, it's steampunk. You can still have Steampunk with more than Indian aesthetics, especially considering Hindu mythology has fucking spaceships.
For fucks sake, even Fate/Zero gets that one right when it gives Gilgamesh a fighter jet.

>>49261103
Half of Gamergate's conspiracy theories were lies and bullshit. Zoe Quinn never slept with a Kotaku writer for a good review. He never even reviewed her fucking game.
Gamergate also did most of the doxxing and harassing. The entire ethics bullshit was a smokescreen. /v/ and /pol/ repeatedly pulled off false flags to stir up shit.

>>49261146
You seem quite a bit louder and whinier.

In fact, I literally go out of my way to learn about and immerse myself in social justice topics and I STILL see and hear more whining from people who hate social justice (without knowing a damned thing about it). SJWs didn't start this thread.

>>49261091
Because they're only allowed to complain about being depicted as nazis.

>>49261108
I don't even know what you guys are complaining about. You can skip webm and upload videos directly to tumblr up to a 5 minute, 100MB maximum. If you can't find good porn there you aren't looking

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>>49260258
>Privilege is being pandered to and having it called marketing
That's a complete non-sequitur. You just liked the way it sounded. Go hang yourself.

They're right about being culturally misrepresented, WotC didn't give indians the "poo in the loo" and "designated shitting street" cards.

>>49261152
>I've mentioned Theros like six fucking times
And guess what? Theros wasn't a fucking prime example of authenticity or depth either, unless you know literally nothing about Greek mythology. It's ALL varying degrees of superficiality, variant on what else they want to throw in there.

So there was less India in this set than you wanted, big fucking deal. That was always a possibility, if not a likelihood. Quit being such an entitled little bitch, anon.

>>49260351
>Actually making apologies for Anita Sarkeesian
Is this an elaborate plot to torpedo your own argument?

>>49261166
well you whine enough to put /pol/tards to shame, so I guess you can't see the forest for the trees. Then again, nothing I write will ever change your viewpoint, and same goes for me.

>>49261152
Oh great, it's le spoopy gamurgate conspiracy again. Give it up. No one gives a shit.

>>49261091
Because Innistrad was fucking awesome.

>>49261171
I don't like that my sound options are on or off. Being able to tweak the sound is of vital importance for porn.

>>49261177
It's not a non-sequitur. It's an observation about how every one of these threads go. Any time someone tries to appeal to a demographic that isn't white/straight/cisgender/male, everyone bitches that people are pandering to them.

>>49261196
I feel like you're missing the point. It's not about authenticity or depth. It's about "Theros used Greek mythology to create an interesting world that played to those themes" and the fact that Kaladesh missed the opportunity to do the same.
Also, this thread is literally you and people like you bitching and being entitled. That's a terrible argument.

>>49261208
I'm sorry that your conspiracy is actually bullshit.

>>49261226
In what way am I putting /pol/ to shame? I haven't called anyone a cuck. Also, again, this entire thread was created to whine.

>>49261152
>Half of Gamergate's conspiracy theories were lies and bullshit.

Which puts them at about a 25% better truth to bullshit ratio than the opposition.

>>49261260
>In what way am I putting /pol/ to shame? I haven't called anyone a cuck.
>I don't want the fucking conspiracy theorist MRA nationalist "anti-racist is code for anti-white" nutjobs in my hobby. I *DO* want inclusiveness and diversity, not fucking idiots who get their undies in a twist because they're whiny babies.
funny enough, I'm sure you have an explanation that goes like "I'm right, they're wrong", which will also prove me wrong, because you can't be a hypocrite in any way. Maybe it's "priviledged can be hated". maybe something similar. Seen it before, just accept that both sides feel superior and righteous. You are not better than /pol/

>>49261264
Hue.

>>49261354
You're making a false equivalency.
Wanting gaming to be diverse and welcoming to more people is not morally equivalent to wanting gaming to only be for one specific group.

The reason I'm in the right is literally just because I want more people to be happy, instead of creating a tiny little exclusive enclave. Despite what crazies on the internet calling themselves Rationals™ will tell you, social justice is not about killing all the whites or something, it's about more people being able to have fun and be happy.
"More people being happy" is as close to an objectively better goal as you can get when compared to "Only I get to be happy".

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>>49261260
>It's not a non-sequitur. It's an observation about how every one of these threads go. Any time someone tries to appeal to a demographic that isn't white/straight/cisgender/male, everyone bitches that people are pandering to them.

And yet the only reason that any of this is happening is that an attempt to go outside of the box was immediately attacked by a bunch of whiny liberals. You want to blame this on privilege and the ebil white people hating anything different--that is the opposite of what happened. A cringeworthy minority of your precious underrepresented minority have begun bitching that the whole setting was really not quite Hindu enough, and now WOTC is getting ready to do what they always do--panic and yield to the most vocal critics they can find.

I could be the king of portugal and my "privilege" wouldn't mean a damned thing in regards to any of this. The only people who see that word as some sort of black stain of original sin are the Nu-Left.

>>49260968
>I expected Kaladesh to be more than just a coat of paint.
Why? Nothing we'd seen or been given from the plain before this point indicated that it was anything more. All the cards we got in Origins from Kaladesh were all about the cool artifacts with the Indian stuff as nothing more than some cool visual designs to distinguish them.

>>49261423
Holy shit this delusion. I didn't want to get dragged into this but how can you not see that literally every group and ideal had a simplistic "goal" to begin with. I'm not saying you can't be better or worse than another group, but you're delusional if you think "it's about goodness around the world" isn't a goal about near everything and obviously hasn't been splintered apart into about being about something else for its inhabitants.

>>49261260
>Kaladesh missed the opportunity to do the same
If it's not about authenticity or depth, and it's not about the aesthetic, what is it about? This vague thematic notion of yours?

It's not a story about Indian mythology, or modern India, or Indian people. The design of the setting also has to serve the story WotC wants to tell, which is fitted into MtG's overarching storyline and universe. You're expecting WAY too much India for a narrative that has nothing to do with ACTUAL INDIA.

>>49261122
That's offensive.

>>49261423
so, Indian guy from OP wasn't happy, because there is too little India flavor. However MtG team decided to not use too much India flavor, because it could have been seen as disrespectful. To make everyone happy you need to not make anyone hurt, but the number of people getting hurt over MtG getting India wrong would've been higher than the number of people mad because setting is milquetoast. Being mediocre doesn't offend anyone. No pain. People are happy, not as much as they could be, but they are also less sad.

The thing is, you can't just showe colours down people's throats and expect them to accept it. Like on /co/ we're getting black bland Spider Man, black bland Iron Man genius girl, and white bland Whor. Since PoC/lesbians/we can't bulid their property from scratch, they use social media to tell authors "add colour and lesbians", which gives us cardboard cutouts. I prefer a tiny detail, like Robograndma being a lesbian in one sentence, but you want to showe a ton of representation at once to include everyone. Since I'm from Poland I have no idea whether black Spider Man is a huge deal for black kids, but T'Challa should work better. More organic.

Tl:DR I don't really believe in making people happy with pandering done by non-controversial corporations. You make people happy by helping your local community. We don't really need spiritual leaders pushing progress onto masses from their willas.

>>49261449
>And yet the only reason that any of this is happening is that an attempt to go outside of the box was immediately attacked by a bunch of whiny liberals.
Actually, the criticism was that they didn't go outside the box. They just slapped a new coat of paint on it while staying in the box.

I'm blaming nothing on "the ebil white people hating anything different". I'm white. I don't hate things that are different. I'm blaming it on people who literally are hating anything different, like the fuckers who come into every Kaladesh thread to go DESIGNATED like it's the funniest joke ever.

Meanwhile, this entire thread is about people bitching and whining that Wizards is listening to people you don't want them to listen to, because you don't want things different. Hell, look at what you say is happening:
>now WOTC is getting ready to do what they always do--panic and yield to the most vocal critics they can find.
You portray listening to valid criticism and using it going forward as PANIC. You think that if they take those complaints into consideration for future sets that they'd be YIELDing. You talk about how cringeworthy minorities are bitching, but this thread is entirely based on bitching about other people raising reasonable criticism. I fucking hate this notion that criticism is somehow the tool of authoritarians.
You don't even seem to consider the notion that perhaps listening to people is how they can create a better product. The second post in this thread even makes the false dichotomy that listening to criticism is mutually exclusive with making a quality game.

>>49261491
>Muh slippery slope
Truly MLK should have thought of the horrors he unleashed when he argued for equality.
But seriously this notion that social justice will somehow become totalitarian is a fiction in the minds of nutjobs, wholly unsupported by actual evidence. It's like the people who cause moral panic over trigger warnings and safe spaces.

I'm actually glad to see someone on Tumblr complaining about this. Normally I hate how easily pandered to they are and their total inability to recognize tokenism. You see it with comics from there all the time. The artist will try so painfully hard to cram as many ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, and genders into a panel as possible... only to make every single one (who isn't supposed to be a bad guy) speak, think, and act like a white middle class American 20-something woman. That's not to say over the top caricatures are good either, but if your "diversity" is literally only skin deep it's not really diversity.

Kaladesh was fucking lazy. Even if you don't give a shit about representation, you still be annoyed because it's simply bad writing. Even a fairly small amount of lore borrowed from actual south Asian history and mythology would have given us a much richer and more interesting setting than the low-effort crock of magitek steampunk horseshit we were given. If they were worried about offending people they should have hired an actual Indian person to consult on the whole thing. It's not like they're some tiny startup that can't afford it.

>>49257923
>>49257941
>>49258228
Too bad they'll never do a Kamigawa styled, well researched set now that that's been proven to fail. It's great! Under this narrative, EVERYONE LOSES.

>>49260810
>>49260861
Even with the focus on the Jacetice League, you're a planeswalker. Sorry you're not the Most Important Planeswalker(TM), but the fact that you're familiar enough with the Gatewatch that you can summon them is pretty fucking baller desu. If you based the story around a character that has more than a million faces, no one will want to play it. How do I get immersed in the game if the decision the main character is making isn't the same decision I'd be making? It's always been a better business model to set the blocks around someone that isn't the character, so you don't step on any toes. The fact that he's upset that he's not the "main character" anymore means he has a shitty grasp on how the lore works, and honestly he should be working on that entitlement issue he has before he keeps complaining about a lack of pandering. I have yet to see a planeswalker with a dick who CONFIRMED likes dicks; am I complaining about a lack of representation? Fuck no. I'm busy getting a hardon for the greek beefcake.

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>>49261423
Nobody has ever said that gaming is for one racial or ethnic or sexual group of people. It is supposed to be for gamers primarily, however--a demographic without race or sex. The source of the discomfort here is not that there are women or minorities or queers or whatever in games. That isn't the issue.

The issue is when a clique of non-gamers, people who are frankly not part of the culture and not people with a varied experience in the medium, enter and begin demanding, shaming and at times organizing boycotts against developers because they don't have enough blacks in their game about medieval Austria.

They then create elaborate theories for how evil and sexist everything in the medium is, how oppressive towards minorities my Mount & Blade is, how Super Mario makes kids into sexists or whatever other nonsense will get clicks today, and the unspoken (or at times spoken quite loudly) message is that either you will stick some pink-haired trannies into your game, or by God you're a mysoginist.

Now this is important: You claim to want everyone to be happy and more welcome in vidya. That is all well and good, but what has actually happened? Has any of this worked? Do you think that any of this has actually made the environment any less toxic or more welcoming? Or has it fed into a narrative of invasion and subversion, and galvanized, perhaps permanently, a large swathe of the audience against even the idea of Social Justice.

What is ironic about all of this is that vidya in particular, but I imagine /tg/ stuff too, have always been more progressive than the mainstream in terms of diversity and representation. These were the hobbies of outcasts and the marginalized a few years ago, and only recently have become mainstream. This miasma of distrust and prejudice is RECENT, and it is the fault of a bright blue-haired brigade of idealogues who thought they could bully people into agreeing with them.

>>49261509
>You're expecting WAY too much India for a narrative that has nothing to do with ACTUAL INDIA.
And... Theros had nothing to do with ACTUAL GREECE and Innistrad had nothing to do with ACTUAL GERMANY and Khans had nothing to do with ACTUAL MONGOLIA.
Again, I don't know how much clearer I can be. "It would have been nice if the Indian and Hindu elements had been more than just aesthetics".

>>49261534
It has spaceships, Anon.

>>49261541
Again, this is a false dichotomy. Also, I don't see WotC saying they didn't use curry flavour to be "respectful". I saw them saying that they didn't use themes or ideas from Indian culture because the audience wasn't as familiar with them. It's not about getting *India* wrong. No one wants *India* any more than they wanted Theros to be literally Greece. They did that for Arabian Nights and it was dumb. No, what people want is a setting that FEELS like those existing cultures. Not replicates them perfectly, but creates a fictionalized setting inspired by them.

Theros didn't have Zeus and Hades and all that bullshit, but it still felt identifiable Greek, even if it wasn't just literally Greek mythology.

>Since PoC/lesbians/we can't bulid their property from scratch
I fucking hate this argument because it's so myopic. First off, there are plenty of properties created by PoC/lesbians/whatever. They're either small print or they don't sell when they're from the main companies. For fucks sake, WHITE characters don't sell unless they're popular names. That's why we're still reading Spider-Man and Superman and Batman comics decades down the line. Because making new characters PERIOD doesn't sell. Meanwhile all the shit you're bitching about seems to be selling pretty well. Diversity!

> I prefer a tiny detail, like Robograndma being a lesbian in one sentence
Robograndma can only be acknowledged as a lesbian in one sentence, but Peter Parker's dick can drive the plot for decades and no one cares.

>>49261583
Social Justice is already totalitarian. They've started rioting over people even being allowed to speak at their universities. The desire to silence the opposition is quintessentially totalitarian.

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>>49261583
>But seriously this notion that social justice will somehow become totalitarian is a fiction in the minds of nutjobs

In Germany, there are people IN JAIL at this very moment for making a facebook page in which they discussed that perhaps letting ten million Iraqi immigrants pretending to be refugees into the country wasn't a good idea.

We've already seen what the equality-loving neo-left does when you let it take control.

>>49261586
Most of the shit in comics tries not to be tokenism. Also, plenty of people have complained about that, like Miles Morales not understanding why black kids would care that Spider-Man is black.

Just because you don't go into those spheres doesn't mean there isn't criticism and everyone is just fine with white guys writing black chicks. Although your impression of how the companies handle things also comes off as bitter and cynical and resentful and not entirely accurate.

>>49261610
Actually, the player is a Planeswalker, but the player doesn't really have any effect on the story.
I mean, I approve of the Gatewatch, but the criticism of it is valid: The people who hate it wish that there was no connected story, and we were just traveling to different Planes and seeing what was happening on that Plane, the way things worked from Time Spiral to Alara.

Also, I feel like your understanding of what he's complaining about there is off base. Again, he's complaining about the same stupid shit /tg/ keeps complaining about: He hates the Gatewatch.
>I have yet to see a planeswalker with a dick who CONFIRMED likes dicks;
Jace and Liliana fuck. Gideon was introduced to give Chandra a love interest. So those chicks like dicks.

ITT: people who think they know a companies audience better than the team of researchers paid to know the companies audience.

>>49261846
>Planeswalker WITH A DICK to like dicks
Are you implying lilliana and chandra are trans or did you misread?

>>49261866
That doesn't really mean anything.
The researchers companies subcontract for this stuff are notorious for loading focus groups full of precisely one demographic and then using loaded questions to get the results they pre-determined were "correct".

>>49261740
>>49261792
>/pol/

>>49258352
>I don't think he realizes what a cunt he comes across as, being butthurt that he didn't get to take a disabled woman's stuff.
Truly, the case with every ThatGuy. They always think it's someone else being the ThatGuy. I don't know how many ThatGuy threads I've seen where the one posting was obviously the ThatGuy in the situation.

>>49259442
As a Christian, I say use all those deuterocanonical angels and demons, gnostic aeons and kaballah sephirot all you want. Not in my book, not my lore.

>>49261703
>Nobody has ever said that gaming is for one racial or ethnic or sexual group of people.
Except for all of the people who constantly tell me that "these people don't even play" or that gaming shouldn't pander to anyone [other than straight/white/cisgender/males]. Or that games are filled with sexist imagery because they're for guys, and anyone who doesn't like that should leave.

I mean, you're even doing it in that post. You're implying these are nongamers. You're implying they're not part of the culture.
You act like you even NEED an elaborate theory on how the media is oppressive. I mean, that's statistically backed facts. And, despite what you seem to think, no, no one is saying anything even remotely like "you will stick some pink-haired trannies into your game, or by God you're a misogynist".

>That is all well and good, but what has actually happened? Has any of this worked?
By all accounts, yes, it has. Gaming is more diverse than ever, and more people are gaming than ever. Despite loud, hateful, bitter people, the hobby is more inclusive and represents more people. The biggest sex symbol in video games was rebranded and turned into a well rounded and interesting character. Comic books are finally changing up the rosters. The people making the environment toxic are not the people pushing for inclusiveness, it's the reactionaries pushing back against it, and by all accounts they're losing. There are more voices able to add themselves to the conversation thanks to the fact that it's becoming easier to create games outside of the mainstream, and easier to find said games. And despite all of the whiny babies complaining about ~censorship~ whenever anyone complains, companies are actually listening to their customers and changing problematic elements to be less so.

You can push the narrative that ~SJWs~ are ruining games, or that they're the reason there's a "miasma of distrust and prejudice", but that's a false narrative.

>>49261928
What, are you just too lazy to link the other 212 /pol/ posts?

>>49261717
How did Khans, Innistrad, or Theros have any uniquely Mongolian, Germanic, or Greek "themes" to them that go any deeper than horsemen, geists, and the afterlife? How is that any different from the Angels on Kaladesh basically being Asuras?

Most settings and cultures share a lot of the same basic elements, and these elements are only ever superficially fit into an MtG set "based on" a culture. It's there for flavor, because these planes are not meant as 1:1 representations of the cultures that influenced them.

Kaladesh was executed the same way as these sets you keep touting as better examples of including regional and ethnic flavor. The fact that you can't see that just because some Indian guy on Tumblr felt it wasn't Indian enough is a little confusing, and the fact that this came as a surprise to HIM is equally confusing. It's like neither of you has ever REALLY looked at the setting design for a Magic expansion before, or else view all the previous examples through rosy lenses an inch thick.

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>>49257721
>Indian guy at PAX
"Thanks for not making it four armed blue people and not treading on live cultures."

>Indian Woman on the internet
"Why isn't it more explicitly Indian?"

Thank God I never pursued that career in the arts.

>>49261846
I think he means more now since Chandra and Nissa are gonna be an item, Lilly and Jace got sexual tension but Jace is grounded atm and Gideon is Gideon but there's room for another dude to get on that 5/5 indestructible dong

>>49257721

this post is kind of insufferable too.

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>>49260494
Alas the grim task of posting it continues.

>>49261846
I am not one of /b's beloved dickgirls, and we haven't confirmed whether or not Chandra and Liliana are either. The closest we have to a dick-loving dude is Ral'Zarek, who we were told "migjt have a thing for Jace." Once again, I'm not mad at the lack of representation, or even the blatant queerbaiting to make chicks happy. I don't care; it's a game. It's not supposed to give me 100% validation or representation; if it was we'd have already had a Legendary Land that detains humans with 2 or less attack and turns them into 1/1 elves. If I want to see things about my heritage I look for them in the real world.

>>49261929
>As a Christian, I say use all those deuterocanonical angels and demons, gnostic aeons and kaballah sephirot all you want. Not in my book, not my lore.
There's only one angel that's specifically deuterocanonical, which is the archangel Raphael. Most of what you're probably thinking of is apocrypha.

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>>49257941

I think it's funny he's shitting on Dwarves so hard when people have been clamoring for them for fucking ages.

Kaladesh looks great so far honestly, I like it flavorfully and mechanically. Maybe it was a bit disingenuous to call it an "Indian World" as opposed to a "kind of steampunk world" like it is, but god damn it I'm happy with the result.

Besides that, he's hardly the only one with a niche cultural interest that could make for a great world setting that doesn't get as much attention as it honestly deserves.

>>49261983
I think the worst part about this is how the asker vallows in his own ignorance as if it is something to be proud of.

Mark's response is expected. His goal is to make money, and unfortunately the way to do so is by catering to dumbfucks like that.

>>49261942
it's important that you believe that. Narrative must be false, you must be opressed but slowly win, people in Germany must not have freedom of speech.
It's like that webcomic Sinfest, where feminists are fighting the Patriarchy, but are never in any danger, are crystal good, and the Devil always loses. Your life must be pretty simple, when everyone disagreeing is a whiny baby.
Two sides. Same coin. Both believe they make the world better.

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>>49257721
Magic is probably about as SJW friendly as you can possibly be.
And yet they still get crying SJWs. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?
I remember the nigger at pax that asked when will we get fat an disabled characters in MTG?
DO YOU HAVE EYES SHITSKIN?
Karlov and many others are fat. And Daretti is in a FUCKING WHEELCHAIR. Shut the fuck up.

Social Justice is LITERALLY un-pleasable.

>>49260688
>Vanilla matters
>Muh dinosaurs
Muraganda is a shit concept, I hope we never go there

>>49260731
>It never ceases to amazing me how little /tg/ actually knows about the social justice movement
Please, enlighten us then, oh learned one

>>49261740
>Protests are totalitarianism!
Anon, do you understand how free fucking speech works?
Fuck, I was literally just reading an article talking about how ridiculous it is to bitch about protests. Oh well, this is close enough
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/01/14/if-only-they-understood-what-free-speech-is/
Let's throw in a Gawker link, since I know it will TRIGGER you.
http://gawker.com/in-defense-of-protesting-commencement-speakers-1578500053

>>49261792
Yes, I'm sure said page was a thoughtful and rational criticism, as opposed to neoNazi Islamophobic ramblings about how the Mooslims are taking over.

>>49261886
>>49261988
I misread, but don't disrespect my headcanon.

>>49261952
No one is saying it should be a 1:1 representation... how are you not grasping this?
"Do for Indian culture what Theros did for Greek". I don't know how I can be clearer. Create a fictional setting that is inspired by the Hindu mythology.

>>49261955
It's almost as if those were two different people.
It's also almost as if those weren't the only options.

>>49261983
Honestly you can't blame him for that. Kamigawa was garbage.
But I think the problem with Kamigawa lies entirely with the fact that it uses a lot of foreign terminology and concepts in a way that isn't approachable.
I mean, just linguistically, people *understand* Greek terminology more easily. But a bunch of fake Japanese names? That's harder to grok.

Although Kamigawa has a ton of other problems, so I don't think it would be impossible to do the Theros thing with less popular cultures.

>>49262023
Kaladesh looks great, and I don't hate it, but the Indian aspect is wasted.
Also, using the Indian aesthetic setting to bring back dwarves is... weird.

>>49261152
>Gamergate is conspiracies
>proceeds to spout conspiracies and talk like a total SJW
Okaybro

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>>49261955
It's the same person, the pax guy and the blogger mark was talking about
>>49261971
Mark's post or op's

>>49262056
>I remember the nigger at pax that asked when will we get fat an disabled characters in MTG?
A fat planeswalker could be pretty rad though. Like a fat merchant who searches the planes for rare and exotic wares which he then sells on other worlds for good money, and then spends the money on the best food that the multiverse has to offer.

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>>49262032
Isn't this a great world we live in?

>>49262077
>Yes, I'm sure said page was a thoughtful and rational criticism, as opposed to neoNazi Islamophobic ramblings about how the Mooslims are taking over.
Even if they were, the fact that you can post this immediately after talking about "free fucking speech" is a perfect illustration of how completely full of shit you are.

>>49262062
I disagree it would be rad to see some under developed backwater plane that's basically Skull Island on Steroids. Hell I'd love a Planeswalker from there to help slot in where Garruk left off like a Viashno dude.

>>49262120
true, but that will never be seen by our believer. Their side is right, other is National Socialism, and National is baaad and /pol/.

>>49261152
>Want Trans feminist "chicks" to sleep with them
FTFY

Either way your trying to get laid.

>>49262048
Man, you sound like you're about to start talking about the ZoGoverment.

>>49262056
>Social Justice is LITERALLY un-pleasable.
As opposed to all these cishet white dudes who make up the M/tg/ threads and are always happy.

>>49262076
Literally just google it.
Jokes aside, RationalWiki actually does have a good explanation of it.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice
You can also find articles like this
http://www.thetattooedprof.com/archives/572
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/26/12657684/chicago-safe-spaces-trigger-warnings-letter
https://everydaygeopoliticshouston.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/a-reply-to-lauren-southerns-why-im-not-a-feminist/
And videos like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbyosLN58BU

Frankly, 4chan's understanding of social justice comes almost entirely from 4chan, or similar places, like r/[Kotaku/Tumblr]InAction or Youtube Rationals™ like Probably Sargon, Amazing Atheist, and Armoured Skeptic, who are all woefully uninformed reactionaries who barely even attempt to engage rationally with anything that might threaten their worldview.

>>49262179
>>49262120
Free speech is not unrestricted. Hate speech isn't protected by German law and shouldn't be protected by American law.
Harassment and fearmongering are more likely to silence someone than actual government censorship.

>>49262198
Not everyone thinks with their genitals.

>>49261152
>Ubermensch (Uberfrau?) in control of her emotions
Those are called common actors. The way to most realisticly depict an emotion is to actually experience it.

>>49262077
>"Do for Indian culture what Theros did for Greek"
Represent it in only the most generic, superficial, and easily-digested terms? Seriously, I don't know why I should expect you to even read my whole posts when you think that Theros was actually good.

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>>49262077
The fannyfucker quotes
Freethoughblogs and GAWKER
Two shit stain SJW sites that are fucking dying.
LOL KEK LOL KEK

Just how fucking mind controlled are you?

>>49262056
I see no reason why in the Magic universe any Planeswalker would be fat and/or disabled.

It is a world where magic is built on absolutely no fucking rules and the only thing that binds you are ridiculous pacts made with the most powerful of beings. There is absolutely no reason why any Planeswalker has any reason to be naturally fucking crippled or overweight unless they willingly sacrificed their weight and spine for power - and that in itself is the dumbest decision ever given that you can earn ridiculous power for tattoos that bleed every morning - still not as bad as being fat and crippled.

In exchange for being fat and crippled you would get to be Yawgmoth. That would have to be the deal at minimum. The second coming of a power equivalent to Yawgmoth would have to be someone who traded the integrity of their spine and skinniness for that level of power.

>>49262270
enough to believe people with different opinions should rot in prison and that it's a wonderful thing as long as they say the untolerant worlds. So tool/10

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>>49262226
>cishet

It's from tumblr
kek

I am ded. I am ded.
It's a real life homsexual bearking from tumblr. I never thought I'd meet a real one.

kek

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>Muh culture

Right because Khans of Tarkir gave us such great insight into Mongolian culture

It's fucking evident that, and they even said this, that Kaladesh was an artifact plane with Indian flavor to it. It wasn't supposed to be some in depth look into Indian culture.

>>49262296
Well the loss of Daretti's legs is actually what triggered his spark.
So him being a Planesroller makes since.

>>49261886
I was about to remind you of that one Lilliana card, then remembered it was Olivia Voldaren instead.

Still wouldn't put it past her.

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If you need a movie, book, or game to make you feel good about your race you must have a naturally shit opinion of your own race. And that is no one's problem but yours.
If a card game is what makes you feel okay about your skin color, you might be fucking retarded.

>>49262077
>Kamigawa was garbage.
I will kill your entire family.

Also Greek is way harder to pronounce than Latinised Japanese, which is super easy to pronounced because it can be written exactly as it sounds by virtue of not being translated.

>>49262296
>>49262365
I could live with an obese Orzhov Planeswalker, or WBG one. Fat as a sign of wealth, just like in pre McDonald times. Something like maw of Obzedat

>>49262226
>reactionaries
1941 called; they want their communist lingo back.

>>49262226
>As opposed to all these cishet white dudes
So the people who disagree with you are "cishet white dudes"? That is literally the worst sort of argument you could possibly make in this position, it makes you no better than the sort of "uninformed reactionaries" you seem to treat as boogeymen. This has nothing to do with the color of my skin (it's white), what's in my pants (it doesn't dangle), my education, political leanings, or any of the rest of it. You do not get to belittle your opposition and simultaneously claim any sort of moral or intellectual superiority.

And quit bitching about not having enough Hindu elements in Kaladesh. Doing that would leave the Buddhist, Sikh, and Islamic communities unrepresented. It was a no-win, so WotC justifiably treated it as a light coating of India over a plane of artificers and aether.

>>49261994
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_angels_in_theology
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_theological_demons

http://www.gotquestions.org/names-of-angels.html

There are no named demons in the bible, unless you count Satan as a demon, and the only canonical angels named are Gabriel and Michael. If you include catholicism, mormonism, and islam, the list gets a bit larger, but you'd be surprised how many are from dead sects or ancient fanfiction.

>>49262226
Hate speech laws are universally garbage, because they are not applied equally and don't always have strong definitions.
All it takes in Germany is for a judge to interpret what was allegedly said as hate speech for someone to end up in jail for it.

>>49260279

Saying, "This is stupid and should be better" is one thing. "I'm in the designer seat and I should call the shots because I'm a player" is completely different.

Both exhibit a sense of entitlement, but one just means you're a nerd with opinions and the other means you're a narcissistic psycho.

>>49262092

The tumblr post, I guess I was kind of vague. Mark's post is just depressing, but I've come to expect it out of nerd culture now.

>>49262077

I think Dwarves aren't here because it's indian, dwarves are here because the steam punk aesthetic of the plane itself meshes well with dwarves.

>>49262270
>LOL KEK LOL KEK
>Just how fucking mind controlled are you?

I don't think this was intentional, but it's pretty funny.

>>49262473
Exactly. Hate speech laws are fucking stupid. All we need to do is protect free speech and let people say whatever the fuck they want. And I will fight to the death to protect the freedom of assholes to say despicable things because when they say shit like that that lets me know exactly where they stand and that I can properly hate them.

>>49262510
so by definition of our gawkerposter you're an untolerant nazi mooslim hater, back to /pol/ with you.

It really takes a naive or insane person to believe their side won't ever abuse anything or do no wrong.

>>49262497
You were an unintentional birth

>>49262077

>Kamigawa was bad

I think part of what made Kamigawa so bad was that it came after Mirrodin. As far as World building goes however, it is absolutely top notch. It's one of the most interesting MTG worlds in my opinion and the kami themselves made for a lot of great monsters.

If they could do Kamigawa and make it better mechanically, I'd be all on board, but unfortunately WOTC is too concerned with playing it safe (except for creatures).

>>49257721
They won't learn to be silent about this shit until their job is being taken by a multicolor-haired landwhale that shinks she's a dinosaur.

Corporations need opaqueness so they can do what is good for the company and not what a bunch of screeching harpies want.

>>49262257
Theros' setting was good, regardless of the actual block. Or, at least, I like the approach it took, and it sounds like Amonkhet is going to do similar with Egyptian Gods.

>>49262270
>wah wah wah
Shit, just google it. Literally just go to Wikipedia and read the article on Social Justice. If you make me do the work for you, I will find the most SJW source I can just to trigger you

>>49262331
>Right because Khans of Tarkir gave us such great insight into Mongolian culture
No one is saying it should. You're misrepresenting the complaint.

>>49262405
Again, misrepresentation of the argument. First: No one is saying they NEED representation. They want it, because why shouldn't they have it? Why should only one race be represented in a way that doesn't match the actual demographic statistics?
Second: Repeated social/psychological research has shown that poor or negative representation in media leads to lowered self-esteem among demographics. If you're only shown as sidekicks, comic relief, villains, or idiots, that's going to make you feel shittier about yourself. In fact, being made aware of negative stereotypes can actually impact your productivity (the study in question guaged women's ability to do math when made aware of the stereotype "women are bad at math"; the group made aware of that did worse than the group that wasn't).
Sources:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.594.8754&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/dev/40/2/284/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1460-2466.1979.tb01691.x/abstract
http://spq.sagepub.com/content/68/1/75.short

Here's an article on how "PC Culture" is actually beneficial.
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/01/30/382475295/what-research-says-about-the-consequences-of-p-c-culture

>>49262411
The problem with Japanese names (or fake Japanese) is that they're comparatively weird, and tend to follow patterns most Americans aren't familiar with.

>>49262564
Calling
>it's not my job to educate you
unironically.

Stay classy.

>>49257878
What do you think the phyrexian invasion will be.

>>49260537
>not alt-right MRAs
le epic ad hom mra boogeyman :^)

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>Create a Hindu mythology plane like Theros was a Greek mythology plane

Look, the social justice crowd has done a good job keeping White people from ever touching brown people beliefs, especially, as they said in the panel, there's still like a billion people actively participating in that religion while there aren't as many worshipping the Greek gods.

>>49261983

this is why MaRo needs to retire already.

>>49262543
Is that really the best you could come up with?

>>49262682
it's not like he needed more.

>>49262433
Literally neoreactionary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

>>49262434
It's a good thing that's not really the argument I made. What I said is that the people in these threads--who are primarily [but not exclusively] white, heterosexual, cisgender, and male--are clearly not pleased, so clearly that's not a trait unique to "Social Justice", as that anon implied.

Also, it's not a no-win situation.

>>49262473
>>49262510
>>49262532
>All we need to do is protect free speech
Laws against hate speech do protect free speech. And the argument "the law isn't applied equally, it could be abused!" applies to EVERY law, yet we still have those.

Amnesty International, the UN, and the European Court of Human Rights, and basically every "these are the rules that society should be governed by to protect the dignity of all human beings" organization are in favour of hate speech laws.

>>49262474
/tg/ often wants to do the second.

>>49262549
Kamigawa was bad because the setting was kind of a weird clusterfuck. I mean, I don't hate the setting itself, and I think most of the problems are mechanical. Like I said, Kamigawa's problem wasn't that it was top down, or not rooted in pop culture.

>>49262589
It's not. This is the internet. It's simple to learn things. And, on top of that, I still AM educating you.

>>49262631
>Implying it's a boogeyman
You are literally on 4chan.
SJWs are more of a boogeyman. Alt-Right is all over this fucking place.

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>>49262652
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>>49262652
The whole point is that Theros wasn't just Greece.

Heliod is inspired by but clearly distinct from Zeus, for instance.

>>49262652
It's not like they would ever do such a blatant transfer for a setting based on Christianity or Islam Arabian Nights doesn't count that's super early and one of only two close-to-real pseudo-historical fiction the other being Three Kingdoms.

>>49262738
but anon, you're the boogeyman

>>49262738
>SJWs are more of a boogeyman. Alt-Right is all over this fucking place.
Do you have any proof whatsoever? All I see from you is making sweeping statements about swaths of individuals ie:

>/tg/ often wants to do the second.

>>49262738

I think Kamigawa's setting and everything about it is a lot more popular than WOTC gives it credit for, but a lot of times it's remembered for being that set that totally sucked ass with 2-3 good cards across the entire block. That's because it came pretty soon after Mirrodin, which was totally fucked up on the power level. If Kamigawa hadn't been played so safe, then I honestly think it might be remembered a little more fondly.

>>49262564
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/01/30/382475295/what-research-says-about-the-consequences-of-p-c-culture

One side doing a warm-up discussion does better than one that doesn't, colour me shocked.

>>49262738
>Amnesty International, the UN, and the European Court of Human Rights, and basically every "these are the rules that society should be governed by to protect the dignity of all human beings" organization are in favour of hate speech laws.

I don't care if Jesus Christ comes down from the sky and pronounces himself in favor of them, Hate Speech is free speech, and trying to punish it is an infringement upon that right. As we've seen recently, the State can simply redefine "hate" to mean "anything which disagrees with our agenda," which means that even if I were to concede the possible benefits of such a law applied fairly (and I would not ever concede this) it would still be irrelevant because of the ease by which it could be--and indeed is--being abused.

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>>49262738
I get the sense you're very new to 4chan and still believe you can change peoples' beliefs here

>>49262738
Kamiya was certainly had issues mechanically. Specifically that none of the mechanics, except Ninjutsu, were interesting.

However, WotC's market research is pretty clear on this: its main issue was that it alienated players through flavor they didn't get.

>>49262816
>>49262738
The only speech worth restricting it that which incites unlawful violence or unlawful conduct towards another group. That is the only valuable definition of Hate Speech as a crime.

>>49262817
They used the terms headcanon and cishet seriously, I think they just monitor /tg/ mtg threads for any sign of anti-SJW stuff. It's so fucking irritating.

>>49262738
>Hate speech protects free speech
No, it doesn't. "Hate Speech" is bullshit. It's Newspeak, a way to make it impossible to even EXPRESS ideas that contest the State's narrative. It is orwellian in the strictest sense of the word.

>B-but the UN says its good!
Literally an appeal to authority. You instantly reveal yourself as a fascist and your excuses are terrible.

>>49262457
Well, the list is a bit longer than just Michael, Gabriel, and Satan.

The Bible mentions a few foul gods of the other cultures surrounding Israel, which are essentially treated as demons (and often are more fleshed out as such in non-canonical works): Moloch of course is mentioned in several places, Baal is a commonly-mentioned one in the Old Testament, and Chemosh is briefly mentioned in 1 Kings 11:5-9. There might be others I'm not thinking of at the moment.

There's also Legion, the demon (or hivemind demon swarm, perhaps) that Jesus drove out of a man into a herd of pigs. And there's Abaddon, aka Apollyon, the "angel of the abyss" in Revelation 9:11 who leads the plague of stinging monster locusts in the end times. Who may be a demon, or may be an angel of God's wrath, depending on how you interpret the text (though generally he's been considered a demon).

The deuterocanonical books (which are only those 7 books of the Old Testament used by Catholics and Orthodox, but not Protestants), only one additional named angel is added (Raphael, as previously stated).

Then all the rest is from apocrypha (a distinct category from deuterocanon, being the books neither Catholics nor Protestants accept;Protestants often call the deuterocanonical books "apocrypha", but to do the reverse and call all apocrypha "deuterocanonical" is in no way accurate), or later fanfiction (Dante's Inferno, for instance, or the various medieval/Renaissance demonologies).

>>49261260
>I didn't call anyone a cuck
I cant't be arsed to go through all of your comments but you went through pretty much all of the possible insults "SJWs" throw at right wing people. You only need to straight up accuse people of being racists, because as of now you only alluded to that and Trump supporters

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>mesoamerica plane is on the short list
>want a savage plane with sacrificing and devotion as key mechanics
>any of that would be too problematic

It will be speedy gonzales all over again, probably won't even get llamas

>>49262855
You don't even need HS laws to cover those. Incitement to violence is a crime. The idea that it should be a different crime because there is a racial element to it is retarded, and the only purpose it could possibly serve would be to give progressives another bludgeon with which to threaten anyone who disagrees with their multiculti bullshit.

>>49262789
>I think Kamigawa's setting and everything about it is a lot more popular than WOTC gives it credit for
Why would they lie about it? Like 'this setting was moderately popular and could possibly make a return in a supplementary product but let's not say that and instead pretend it's one of the most despised settings in the game's history, that'll show the weebs." It makes absolutely no business sense at all.

>>49262738
>It's a good thing that's not really the argument I made
You painted the people who disagree with you with the same, broad, "white cishet shitters" brush in an effort to more easily dismiss them. And simply stating that it "wasn't a no-win" in no way, shape, or form addresses my point. Including blatantly religious concepts unique to Hinduism is a no-go, and identifying India as a geographical region with Hindu cultural elements minimizes the presence and importance of other groups. The approach WotC took was the best one in that regard.

Address my actual points or don't bother responding.

>>49262931
It's more to do with the fact that a lot of the playerbase today that enjoys the flavor and art of the set and want to see more didn't play a standard or extended format with the cards and experience what actually playing with the cards in that context was like.

>>49262914
I don't know nobodies actually worshipping the Sky-Serpent and crossing their fingers about the sunrise any more.

>>49257941
When you stop giving him 5 minutes of fame.

>>49260465
After Kamigawa they will never again use a real world culture in a way your average person isn't familiar with.

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>>49262077
>Yes, I'm sure said page was a thoughtful and rational criticism, as opposed to neoNazi Islamophobic ramblings about how the Mooslims are taking over.

Correct. It was not Nazi, or fascist, or even nationalist in character. It was a page made by a middle aged family (private, btw) for them to talk to some like-minded people about what was happening to their community. For this, they got jail time.

Also, I notice that you have no answer to why exactly it's okay to put people in jail for making a facebook page, even if it IS covered in ebil Neonazi Islamophobic ramblings.

So please, spare us all your lies. You have now admitted that you think it's perfectly acceptable to put people in jail for believing differently from you, and your only defense against this was "B-but they were nazis!" when they weren't even fucking Nazis--as though that would matter. And you do all of this while claiming that your precious progressive movement isn't totalitarian? PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR HAVING DIFFERENT OPINIONS FROM YOU IS TOTALITARIAN AND YOU DON'T EVEN DENY THAT YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

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I love how that fat towel headed cuck wants to shit on the set for being bland but if they went TRUE full on east asian with the shit. They would be offended too.

Much like Disney having to censor the line in the original Arabian Nights song even though it's true and the middle east is barbaric as all fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Pf3SL6GKs

>>49263030
>jrpg mc returns to his village

>>49262970

Like I said earlier (not who you're responding to), part of Kamigawa's problem is that it got played WAY too safe. Some of it's mechanics were bad too, but I imagine this is partially due to the playing it safe. Imagine if Splice onto Arcane was just Splice onto X instead. It'd be an awesome mechanic (in my opinion) and not parasitic at all, but it also might be strong. Instead of printing something that might get banned they chose to go with the worse version that will always be bad. They do this a lot, and the vast majority of pushed cards nowdays are Creatures or spells that give you creatures (collected company, which Maro considers evidence of there being good non-creature based strategies).

>>49262931

I wouldn't even call Kamigawa "weeb". It's japanese, but it's not very anime.

>>49263013
>PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR HAVING DIFFERENT OPINIONS FROM YOU IS TOTALITARIAN AND YOU DON'T EVEN DENY THAT YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
this should be understood by every person in this thread. Thank you.

>>49262776
It's not really a sweeping statement when this thread is whining that WotC is doing things OP and others don't like.

>>49262809
The warm up discussion was about ~Political Correctness~. Which, according to most handwringers, would stifle creativity and make people afraid to speak their mind. Instead it made them more creative.

>>49262921
>>49262855
>>49262816
Speech can incite violence more than just immediately. I mean, fuck, Bengazhi happened because of a fucking Youtube video. Wars have been fought over ideals.
Hate speech isn't free speech because it causes emotional distress in the victim, and incites violence in others.
Here's more citations:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2010.00548.x/full
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v51n03_04
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08964289.2015.1028322
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/0022-4537.00200/full
http://cilvektiesibas.org.lv/site/attachments/30/01/2012/Naida_noziegums_ENG_cietusajiem_Internetam.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1540-4560.00264/full
http://journals.lww.com/psychosomaticmedicine/Abstract/2004/05000/Immigrant_Suicide_Rates_as_a_Function_of.9.aspx
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v49n02_04
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13811118.2010.494133
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022399905002163
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1540-4560.00257/full

And characterizing hate speech laws as simply being used to shut down political speech is a bullshit false equivalency. One that generally tends to be used by people who feel Islamophobic hatred is justified.

>>49262858
>>49262817
Bitch I've been here for ten fucking years now.

>>49262879
>Using the term Newspeak to dismiss an argument
You know that Orwell was a Socialist, right? Everything he wrote was in support of Democratic Socialism.
Hate speech is not about making it impossible to express ideas that contest the State.

>>49263111
>it's not a sweeping statement because I said so
Cuck off

>>49263111
>You know that Orwell was a Socialist, right?
He was also a staunch anti-Communist. He was a democrat first and foremost.

>>49258797
>Or, and this is a thought, you could do some basic research and maybe even include someone with firsthand experience with that culture in the project.
Didn't they do this? Not only do I remember them saying this at the PAX world building panel, but they brought a black nerd girl so they could design and write in a way that wasn't offensive, I'm sure theyd have taken the same steps for Kaladesh just logically. What is this guy offended about?

>>49263111
We shouldn't be held responsible for other people's actions.
Especially when they're just looking for excuses to be angry. Remember when an American embassy was attacked because a Dutch cartoonist drew Muhammad?

Under that definition, if I shot someone and claimed that I did it because of what you said, you'd go to jail for hate speech. Doesn't matter what you actually say, as long as it "incites violence".

>>49263170
He's upset it's an artifact set with Indian people and not an Indian people set with artifacts

>>49263170
His problem is that he wasn't the one being consulted.

>>49263111
Have we even been reading the same thread? WotC tried to do what people have been whining about them not doing enough of, and now those people (including you) are whining that they didn't do it well enough to meet their own personal expectations. THAT is what OP and most of the 100+ posters involved were whining about.

Get your head out of your holier-than-thou ass for long enough to actually pay attention to what people are saying and maybe we wouldn't have to correct you like this.

>>49263111
>it's not a sweeping statement because I said so
Where are the proofs faggot?

>speech can incite violence
Yeah and you throw the fucker in jail for trying to incite violence, which is already a crime. Hate speech and hate crimes are complete bullshit.

>>49262931
Different anon here, but I would say it's not so much a matter of WotC *lying*, but more a fact that the issue of the horrible mechanics are tainting their market research on the subject. Obviously, I'm not privy to the details, but I'd be very surprised if they actually designed the surveys with enough rigor to adequately separate people's impressions of the set purely on fluff vs. purely on crunch.

For that matter, looking at it in hindsight a few years down the line, many people's own actual remembered perceptions of the fluff are likely tainted by their bad memories of the crunch. As any Psych 101 class will teach you, memory is extremely malleable; I'd say it's entirely plausible that someone could have been really stoked for the fluff at first, then realized the set was 99% total jank, and ultimately looking back on it years later mostly remember just the overall impression that they didn't like the block (not remembering specifically why) and retroactively project that dislike onto the fluff. With a bit of distance, your memory of a thing tends to get simplified, and you forget the details that ran counter to your general overall impression. Almost a sort of negative nostalgia, in a way.

No doubt there are people out there who really didn't grok the fluff at all, but since it's so closely associated with the horrible crunch I'd say the actual proportion of such people is likely lower than WotC's metrics indicate.

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>>49258025

This episode and this threads makes me realize how sad it is that people all over the first world, where more or less anyone is granted with a more than decent education compared with what most of the people in the last ever had access to, is slowly starting to put aside a common reality where the single must confront in some way with others in favor of one where personal feelings are more relevant than actual facts, or even the point of view of anyone else despite of how "good" or "bad" it may be. It's not only true for SJWs, look at Trump voters, look everywhere else. Maybe it all comes from 200 years of decomposing and rotting romantic culture, but I'm no philosopher.

>>49262921
The reason that hate crime laws exist is because some animals are more equal than others, and the law seeks to correct that. It's not something that progressives use to threaten people with. It's something used to protect the rights and dignity of minorities who have no real protection due to the limitations of democracy.

Nevermind that the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause are like the first fucking things thrown out. Multiculturalism isn't some spooky scary thing. It's literally a positive in every conceivable way.

>>49262968
You're not addressing my points, either.
And it's not "no-win" because for one, they didn't exactly try. But beyond that, you're presenting a false dichotomy that it has to be one extreme or the other. You can balance being "cultural appropriation" and being a reasonable, interesting setting inspired by a real world cultural.

>>49263060
>>49262970
Kamigawa is one of those settings that is cooler in retrospect.

>>49263083
>>49263013
Link me a source, then.
Also, no, I don't think people should be jailed for BELIEVING differently than me. I'm just in favour of criminalizing speech that slanders, harasses, or fearmongers about minority groups who would otherwise have no protection. These are actions that have repeatedly been shown to harm the groups in question, and lead to violence. You've got Europeans acting like their countries are going to be placed under Sharia Law by the 3% of Muslims and you've got people going out and beating people half to death. Shit, after all the rhetoric of UKIP and the Brexit referendum, harassment and violence against immigrants and even minority citizens spiked, because they suddenly felt it was acceptable now.

Although I don't think anyone should be jailed for it, but I think the concept of prison is absolutely horrible and there are much more reasonable alternatives than throwing people in a cage for an arbitrary amount of time.

>>49263030
Wait, the issue is that it wasn't tied to Indian culture enough? What in the fuck??? He said st the PAX panel that he didn't want the fucking world to be elephant headed people and four armed gods and shit. What the fuck is he looking for? Even then we still got angels with red skin and four arms

>>49263311
Reminder that in the same panel people got pissed off about Dwarves because it was marginalizing little people.

>>49263244
>looking at it in hindsight a few years down the line
Wizards do their market research as sets are released. Not a few years down the line.

>>49263335
But they fucking hyped up dwarves... what the fuck?

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>>49263311
Breaking News.
SJWs don't know what they want. They only know they want to be offended.
More at 11.

Yes, his fucking tumblr post in a full on chapter about the set not including ENOUGH of his culture. And that it was just "window dressing".
It's nine kinds of fucking autismal.

>>49263350
They thought that people would have common goshdang sense and think of dwarves in the fantasy aspect and apparently that wasn't the case with a few.

>>49263030
Frankly speaking, considering this is the HISTORICAL Middle East (9th or 10th century, to be exact), cutting off ears isn't even all that barbaric regardless. You'd find similar extremes of corporal punishment in Europe or anywhere else in those days.