Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1071: Hold, Release; Rakshasa and Carcasses

>>49234011
Don't you mean catch and release?

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When's the last time you had to do the opposite of your job, /jc/?

>>49234035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UBAHSnUxgU

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>When you realized Jenny fucked the wrong kind of vegetable

Jesus Christ, what took so long?

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>>49234102
For a time, we were... sated. Content. At peace.

It is a strange feeling.

Just out of curiosity, is there a mandatory delay or something before the next thread can be posted, or did we all just spend the last two hours thinking 'someone else will do it in just a minute'?

>>49234146
Pretty much the latter.

>>49234158
I wish i'd made this thread an hour ago.

>>49234146
I would have made it, had I not been banned.

Does anyone else kinda want to just go to all the low tech worlds and enjoy the feeling of pure martial power?

I just feel that high-tech isn't half as much fun with how they tend to systematically study tech and magic.

>>49234146
I think there's usually only one or two people who make threads, and everyone else just waits for them. They were probably not around.

I make the thread whenever no one else is doing so and I get tired of waiting, so I've made about two dozen threads or so? But yeah, finally decided I might as well go ahead and make it and here we are.

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>only 400 points left in /co/co/
>trying to decide between importing two Companions and getting a Stand

Send help.

So, guy from last thread claiming Val gave permission. Just checked the thread you gave as evidence and it's nothing more then this guy claiming it, she never speaks at all. The guy also says he's gonna hand out Grand Servants too, which is a great indication of his quality.

More importantly, why the fuck are we honoring a claim by a guy form SB that has never posted his work here and never intends to? His claim should be invalidated if he never intends to show it here.

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Okay, people. I need ideas. Racial perks for the Qlurians. AKA space elves.

Throw some ideas at me. Please.

>>49234064
What's the opposite of jumping?

>>49234261
Falling?

>>49234257
Getting your own Rock.

>>49234279
That sounds more like a companion option than a racial perk.

>>49234246
Hey now. It's not like you can't find a Jawbreaker and test your luck in-jump.

Assuming you didn't roll an Era before the things even existed, anyway. In which case you're fucked and I recommend Companions.

>>49234254
>grand servants
>ridiculously expensive
>locked till post jump/spark
>maybe both.

ive never posted because ive never had anything you wouldnt reject out of hand. now i have the claim on the jump, so i kind of HAVE to post it here.

>>49234064
I guess any time I work as a healer, seeing as my original Class is Maid of Doom.

>>49234311
Going Long Runner. I'm 52 jumps in at this point and if need be I can duck out before Part 6.

>>49234329
>have to post it here
Yet you never have till now despite having a WIP. And how you've repeatedly said you don't intend to post your jumps.

Look dude, it's pretty simply. You have the claim on it over at SB. If you never intend to post it here and make it acceptable for here, rescind your claim for it here.

>>49234329
Again, you're not going to get constructive criticism when there's nothing to critique.

Anyway, there's a link to the IRC at the top of the page. It's usually better for such things anyway.

>>49234329
>Don't worry, you just have to wait till the next jump to use your x1,000,000 strength Excalibur guys, this is totally balanced.

>>49234329
Bitch Babylon isnt even done yet, why are you claiming it, collabs and side events are probably canon. the Illya collab is probably canon. Why are you touching something we only just got skills for barely half of the roster

This is dumb

This is beyond dumb

Don't mind me.

Lessons of Adversity(100cp, Free Shard): Regardless of the form it takes you find that conflict is the perfect stimulus to learn and train yourself. You always learn or grow at least a little bit from a confrontation or conflict, no matter what form it takes. The more intense, risky, and the higher the stakes the more you’ll take away from it. This applies to general development as well. Fighting for your life is the perfect exercise regimen for you, and pushing your abilities to their limits in such situations is the best training you could ask for.

Root of Distress (100cp, Free Shard): Everybody has faults, weaknesses, seams along which certain kinds of pressure can break them. You have an intuitive ability to sense these in a person’s psychology and personality as you observe them. You can tell what stress they can handle, what would break them, and in what manner. You can also tell what kind of pressure would make them grow. Beyond this being able to know the faults and flaws of a person always comes in handy, let alone knowing exactly how they’d respond to different types of strain. This sixth sense won’t necessarily give you the means to capitalize on this knowledge, but you can tell where the chinks in their armor are.

>>49234386
wow your thick. or just ignore the bits i say that you dont like.

either way, have a link to the google doc the jump is in.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/156jVI9Iia2ariqihKvLz-eNoPi_eZceyBhlsxv4Ig_k/edit

>>49234434
You said in your post 'post jump' you fucking moron.

>>49234386
No, he's repeatedly said that he doesn't intend to post jumps here which violate the rules, such as lewd jumps or a Bleach replacement. Stop trying to drive away jumpmakers, shitposter.

>>49234434
You do realize proper summaries do exist on at least /fgog/ right? Like most of your plot stuff probably isnt right

>>49234417
Are shards even sapient?

>>49234417
Well I was going to go Shard for the novelty anyway, but these are great.

>>49234455
He's not from 4chan. He probably doesn't know /vg/ has a Grand Order General.

>>49234459
Not really (it's complicated), but you're a jumper playing the part of one. You're not getting lobotomized by taking the origin.

>>49234465
Glad you like them.

>>49234455
when i find actual translations and stuff, ill rework it. those are just from memory, for the most part.

So, apparently there was some confusion over what I said/did not said last thread (And this thread too?).

I've never given permission for a GO jump because I don't need to. I have no claim on it (And have only ever said I /might/ do it well in the future) and anyone who wants to have a shot can, no skin off my nose. So yeah, please stop arguing about that in the future because it's stupid.

However I would ask that anyone who does make another Fate jump, and intends to post it on 4chan's /JC/, talks to me about how they're handling stuff related to Servants and the Servant Supplement. It'd make the lives of myself and any jumpmaker/s making said GO jump much easier if we worked together on this, because I handle the supplement and I'm sure things would just get really unpleasant if people decided they wanted their jump to change the supplement or something dumb.

>>49234539
about the only modification i was going to make was the base amount of sp you would get to use in the supplement, based off star ranking.

>>49234434
>You get 10% more magic everytime you face someone with more magic
>Double all damage you deal
>You can buy Solomon as a Servant
Only need a quick skim to see this is just another power grab from space battles.

>>49234640
That's a dumb system, like honestly even crunching the numbers im doubtful it will work well for either end of the rarity scale

>>49234640
Well, first things first. You DO intend to post it here? Want it clear because it's a little confusing now and I'd hate to waste time if you're not.

So from what I understand, the various stars just indicate how much SP you have to make that Servant? It's not a way to buy any Servant with that many stars regardless of how much SP they'd really cost? The note about the scenarios is making me a little doubtful it's the former.

>>49234434
>>49234329
>See the notes about NPC Servants
>'Yeah you can buy Solomon if you want'
You are just full of shit aren't you?

>>49234745
yes, i do intend to post it here.

you can use the sp to custom build them, or you stick to the canon build for the servant.

so if you want a 1* arturia who literally cant be a saber, then you can theoretically take that.

unless i change that to only canon 1*'s, which i might do.

scenarios/events are for dropping the prices somewhat.

>>49234808
>solomon
>is literarily the most expensive thing in the jump
if you want to buy solomon, and only solomon, go right ahead.

Jump #21: Megaman Classic

Drawbacks: Comm-Chatter, Copy Robot, Three Laws Compliant (1600)

Name: Diamond
Age: 33
Location: Archie Comix
Origin: Doctor (1500)
Gender: Female

-Perks-
Basic Robotics (Free)
Enhanced I.C. Chips (1400)
Weaponisation (1200)
Robot Master Builder (900)
OST (Free)

-Companion-
Bass

-Items-
Light Capsule (Free)
Beam Saber (0)

Hello, Doctor Wily. You are a tough man to get ahold of.
>That was intended, hence the army of robots guarding the fortress.
Yeah, sorry my little friends here had to bust them up. but they just wouldn't let us in. Anyway, i'm sure you're curious about why I'm here.
>Yes, that started after you destroyed the second platoon of robots.
I had a proposal I wanted to share with you: I want to make you, the most famous person on the planet.
>Yes, and I suppose you'll also give me a billion dollars while you're at it?
I'm being serious doctor, there is nothing I dislike more than someone not getting the recognition they deserve.
>...Why me?
Because you're the best at what you do Doctor.
>While that is true, you're probably looking for Light.
Nah. For one, you plan so far ahead of him that its ridiculous. Two, it's his little robot who needs to smash yours to get those nifty abilities, isn't it?
>I suppose I would be working under you?
Yes, though yoou'd mostly be doing what you've been doing, except instead of committing acts of terrorism, the robots will help clean up the environment.
>...I accept.

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>>49234880
>The man with 1 million excalibur lasers
>Go ahead

>>49234434
For one, use proper capitalization. Your text is hurting me inside.
>Everything Is Berserkers
Maybe have it be a mode that gives you the actual modifiers of Berserker? It would still be a good perk.
>Three Servants
Does the 10% boost to mana only apply to Nasuverse mana? Maybe replace the hard 10% to something like "in a particularly difficult fight, you have a chance of having a breakthrough, restoring most of your Mana/Od/Prana and slightly increasing your maximum reserves and the quality of your circuits."
>NPC Servant
You might want a ban list. I know Solomon and Gilgamesh would be on there, but other than that I haven't been following phone games enough to tell.

>>49234880
>post here
I'll leave the rest of the jump to other people then.

>Stick with the canon build
Yeah, that's not gonna work out that well. There's a reason the supplement exists and it's not so you can put an option in your jump to bypass all the rules and limits in it while also being cheaper, sometimes massively so, then they'd ordinarily be.

>Solomon
Honestly don't even know how you can justify that one.

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>>49234880

>>49234932
*, especially if you're good at dodging or healing yourself.

>>49234915
City of Heroes let's you buy a top tier Darkseid level guy for 1200/600 cp. If taking Solomon costs all of your points to get him, I'd say that's fine.

>>49234994
>Darkseid level
Since when was anything in that setting Darkseid level? Proof or get the fuck out man.

>>49234941
Val, if you don't mind, I have some questions.

Firstly, is there any reason to purchase Expert of Many Specializations over Wisdom of the Gods? From what I can tell, the latter is just more of the former.

Can EoMS include combat skills?

Does Knowledge of Respect and Harmony actually do what it says it does, or does it just add various effects to go about achieving that goal?

>"prevents any decrease in the effectiveness of a technique, regardless of how many times it is used against the same opponent"

The following adds effects to make it harder for enemies to adapt to your attacks:
>B: Attacks cannot be perceived by the enemy.

Does Eternal Arms Mastership include Servant-level combat skills?

And one more: In future jumps, if an NP is based on the rank of an attack, should I base its primacy on displayed feats of Noble Phantasms or Magecraft? Because the ranking system doesn't really translate very well in non-Nasuverse settings, it'd make sense to choose one or the other.

>>49234885
Oh? And what projects would you be having the good Doctor work on in particular? And don't forget about Zero. He's pretty crucial to the timeline.

>>49235003
One anon made the mistake of comparing a character to Darkseid by saying he was that much stronger than your PCs comparatively, and the guy you're quoting basically latched onto it and is trying to use it as bait.

>>49234941
>canon build
then what would be fair? removing the supplement entirely, unless importing a companion? (or yourself?)

>solomon.
i have zero interest in him, personally.

if i up the npc price by another 400, then solomons price becomes 1600 cp, assuming you use the free 3* discount. if i put a 600 cp drawback limit, then he becomes 100% of your budget. or i can ban him. either way.

>>49235003
Fuck if I know. People talked about it last thread, and no one seemed to disagree. I'd trust them over your salty ass.

>>49235013
Zero is secretly the worst villain in history.

>>49235025
Maybe make 2 versions of the jump, one for the SB drive, the other for the /jc/ drive?

>>49235065
That's one of the stupidest things I've heard in ages.

>>49235025
Just have the supplement function like normal, with the exception of adding more SP based on star-level.

Also, just ban Solomon. He is just so far above the other Servants, it's not even funny.

>>49235034
Not that anon, but the character you are referring to isn't anywhere near Darkseid's level. For reference, he's weaker than a being that's basically planet cancer or something. So he's at most a planetary scale threat, where as Darkseid is always at least a galaxy level threat.

Doesn't Grand Order use multiple servants in a team anyway? How would you build three servants with the normal amount of SP?

>>49235025
How much higher-powered is GO than regular Fate? Are all the servants stronger, or do they just get rolled when Solomon shows up?

>>49235079
so instead of 200/600/1000/1400/1800, make it 1000/1200/1400/1600/1800?

start at 1000, not at zero? thats... fair-ish. may need to reprice servants themselves though.

to be fair, he is a grand servant.

but, sure. why the hell not. its simpler than trying to rebalance the pricing.

>>49235012
1. Not sure. I've always treated them as mostly the same as each other at each rank, rather then one being explicitly better then the former.

2. Sure, though I imagine the broader the form of combat, the less good overall you'd be. So just going 'combat' won't make you as good with knives as if you went 'knife fighting'.

3. It does what it says. The 'cannot be percieved' thing seems to be a mistake the wiki made. It's based on Kojiro's rank in the skill which works like your first quote from it. Saber could still see his attacks, she just saw each one as the first one rather then remembering how it worked the last time.

4. EAM doesn't give any combat skill, just prevents you from losing it and stuff. Very few of the skills actually grant combat skills, surprisingly, so I guess most Servants are just assumed to have great combat skill with their NPs. You can assume that too if you want, that you're automatically extremely skilled with any weapons you pick as your NPs.

5. The ranking system is pretty weird. NPs and Magecraft both operate on a different system, which is why Rin's attacks, which are much weaker then some of the other NP based attacks Berserker shrugs off with Godhand, can harm him. If you want to stick to canon, you're better of judging things like physical attacks, magical weapons and supernatural abilities as NP based feats and any normal magical spells as based on magecraft feats.

Not gonna jump down your throat if you just base it off NP stuff though, it is pretty complicated and contrary.

>>49235025
Just don't let people buy the canon builds? The star idea seems fine, if a bit unnecessary with the existing system, if it just translates to SP instead.

>>49235101
Have each one get the normal amount of SP each I imagine.

>>49235130
That works real well. Solves my issues with it.

>>49235106
From what I've heard, everyone's stronger, it's just that Solomon is to GO what Gilgamesh was to Stay Night

>>49235130
Well, maybe you can go like SMT demon fusions. Pay CP for multiple Servants. Least expensive or first is free, middle or second most expensive discounted, most expensive or last full-price.

>>49235096
...No anon, no he is not. At regular levels Superman can fight him, and Superman is only rarely above Solar-System busting, and usually quite a bit below that. Darkseid normally isn't close to Galactic-level.

>>49235106
regular fate can be considered a 1 vs 6 match.

Go is canonically a 2 vs 6 or so match. you have mashu and a random other servant, vs a half dozen or so other servants in each singularity.

except theres 8 singularities, so its more like 1.5 vs 48.

and mashu is slowly dying over the course of this.

camelot basically boils down to 'lancer!saber with excalibur, rhyosomething, and an unlimited power supply, vs a dying mashu and a hassan'.

so pretty bad.

>>49235148
does the changed sp value solve sticking to the canon build?

>>49235226
>Solve
Erm, assuming that you can no longer stick to the canon builds, yeah I think it fixes it.

>>49235163
>>49235226
So, uh, does that mean that using the current Stand Supplement is even appropriate for Grand Order? In terms of the level of power and ability Servants get from their Stats/Noble Phantasms per rank in FSN vs FGO, I mean.

>>49235148
1. I asked this question because Wisdom of the Gods seems to apply to every skill, while Expert of Many Specializations has a limit of about thirty. Unless my reading is off, WotG seems to be the vastly superior purchase.

Also, thanks for the quick reply.

>>49235247
Stand Supplement?

>>49235247
WHAT current stand supplement? No such thing exists.

>>49235179
>At regular levels, Superman can fight him
Clearly you've never seen Darkseid's feat list before. He's been a multiversial threat before.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/supervillain-feats-darkseid-a50986

>>49235247
The current Supplement should be yes. 1000SP alone is enough to put you easily on average, above average if you have any thought to your build in most Fate settings (And high tier if you actually abuse it with actual knowledge of the setting). Most of GO's Servants aren't actually that much higher in stats and abilities, from what I can tell most of the really strong opponents come from plot power ups and not having super powerful builds. More then 1000SP, such as 1800SP, should be enough to make you a very strong Servant even without much planning (And again, with canon knowledge and that many points much stronger), even if you might not be at the top tiers of the series. From what I see in the jump, having several Servants too (And assumedly not the in game limitations on more then 3) would make it easier as well.

>>49235272
>>49235280
Servant Supplement, I mean.

>>49235245
Actually, there was one more question that I forgot. What counts as an "engagement" for Information Erasure? Is it merely combat engagements, or would sneaking or diplomacy count? Also, can it be toggled?

>>49235245
erm, other way around? given that they are no longer saving several hundred sp by going with canon, can they just keep the canon build?

>>49235247
with a little extra cp, or some powergaming, you can do fine.

>>49235298
six, technically. protag can only support having three out at a time though.

>>49235261
I know. I'm trying to use a more reasonable reading of the skill. Mastery of every skill ever would be extremely silly to give for the same rank as just 32 skills from EoMS at A+ rank.

>>49235306
I believe it is combat yes.

>>49235308
No, them being cheaper was just one of the problems. Letting them keep the canon build bypasses any rules or limits that the supplement has on making Servants, which isn't okay. There's a reason you can't get a fully stocked Gate of Babylon or some of the banned skills when making a Servant.

>>49235284
We're talking about capeshit. Darkseid's powerlevels and abilities are all over the frigging place. Kind of the inevitable result of over 50 years of different, sometimes retarded writers. But generally, Superman can fight on par with him, and Superman very rarely gets beyond Star-levels of bullshit.

>>49235306
Oh, sorry, missed the last part. I guess you could toggle it off like any perk if you desired.

I'm looking for a ruling and having trouble, does anyone else remember this? I vaguely recall Babylon Anon saying that your civilizations in Fall From Heaven and Sins of a Solar Empire follow you, but the text doesn't itself mention this. And it seems odd for entire planets worth of people to come along, so if that is the case it must have some limits. Does anyone know what those might be? I've got a project that would benefit from having some aliens having "always been there".

>>49235357
but you're not making a servant? you're getting the canon one, as is.

you CAN use the supplement, and im sure there are cases where one is more beneficial than the other - for example, trying to replicate solomon, had he not been banned.

but, for a slightly more meta perspecitve, summoning gil without his armory is pointless.

if you want to be gil, then you can pay through the nose for it, but if you want him as an ally, then he should have it.

>>49235441

Maybe it's like Civilization? More just ruins or proof of your civ being present in the past with a small nation or embassies or something in the present?

>>49235463
>you're getting the canon one, as is.
Yes, that is the problem. Because there are several canon servants who cannot be built because of bans or limits in the supplement. The option you are trying to put bypasses all of that. That isn't a good thing.

>summoning gil without his armory is pointless
Only pointless if the only reason you are summoning him is for the countless thousands of Noble Phantasms he has. Which is why you can't buy a stocked GoB. And why you putting in an option to get around that rule is a problem.

>>49235473
I hope not. I've already got Civilization to fill the ancient progenitor race slot. I'm basically making a sci-fi universe to my specifications by using things that follow between jumps and then activating that one perk from Kingdom Hearts that lets you change the tone of a world.

By the way, was the person who made the SB Bleach Jump going to do something related to the filler?

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Seeing as everyone is talking about Fate I thought I'd show how I'm planning to do the class cards in Prisma Illya. Haven't done the prices yet though. Currently only has the cards from the fifth war (normal Fate) as I'm unsure about other cards. Any suggestions or questions welcome.
>>49235357
I wasn't aware of any main Fate jump maker and when making my claim for Prisma didn't see any objections, you ok with me doing this?

So what can this Solomon guy do that makes him such a big deal? How do mc-kun and his shower of bastards beat him?

>>49235554
I'm...not necessarily opposed. I thought cards were all supposed to be weaker then the actual Servants though, there's several here that manage to be equal to or stronger then the originals. Interested to see how you handle Gilgamesh too.

>>49235567
>So what can this Solomon guy do that makes him such a big deal?
Yes.

>How do mc-kun and his shower of bastards beat him?
They don't.

>>49235567
I'd give him fair odds against two Teen Titans Trigons at the same time.

>>49235567
Pretty sure he just tests them, finds them worthy, then fucks off.

>>49235603
It's weord. They're all supposed to be weaker, but Shirou takes Archer and makes it like 10* stronger.

>>49235637
>>49235603
From what I remember they are weaker than actual servants on average, but "aligning" with a specific servant can make it stronger.

Shirou obviously aligns with Archer.

>>49235603
Ah, that first sentence came off weirdly. What I meant to say is I don't really have any objection to it. My issue with the GO stuff is that it relates to the supplement I handle, whether doing stuff in it or making it obsolete, which is a problem. Your supplement seems to handle the situation really well by not needing to interact with the supplement, which is good, and since it's an AU I don't need to have any involvement either.

>>49235516
...not actually seeing a problem here?

>>49235551
maybe? was gonna do the movies for sure.

>>49235567
let me put it this way. you know how gaea invited type mercury over to kill all humans, but he got here early?

if gaea hadnt invited him, and mercury had come anyways, solomon would have been one of the ones responsible for making him go away. and he would have been expected to be successful too.

painfully.

>>49235612
So universal. That makes him over dozens of orders of magnitude stronger than the Types. The fuck Nasu?

>>49235603
If we choose Servitude in either of the Fate/ jumps, will we be limited to the perks of that jump and the Supplement or can we still pull OCP shenanigans?

>>49235013
None, really. The doctor built robots to help cleanup the environment, and in his spare time worked on whatever interested him, including Zero.

>>49235688
>Universal
No, anon, Teen Titans Trigon. He's only planetary scale.

>>49235683
You're not seeing a problem with your jump letting people get around all existing limits and rules to get access to all the crazy broken bullshit that was otherwise locked off for a reason?

>>49235690
You still have all your perks.

>>49235723
Who was the canonical possessor of the Zealotry skill? There are no example ranks in the Supplement.

>>49235723
i may be looking at this from a story perspective.

their skills and NP's are what makes them who they are (or maybe the other way around, in that they are perfectly expressed by them).

having them be missing these things feels... wrong.

using the supplement, i dont have a problem adhering to the rules. but not having the option to have them the way theyre 'supposed' to be irks me.

>>49235683
You're not seeing a problem with having on-command access to literally every thing ever made by humans including several thousand world-shaking magical artifacts for a few hundred CP? Wot?

>>49235748
The assassin from Strange Fake

Zealotry
A: (No Name Assassin (Assassin)) Trauma is instantly overcome, strong resistance to mental interference type magecraft is obtained.

>>49235760
>having them be missing these things feels... wrong.
Then only get servants you can build in the supplement. I've managed a few before, like Attila.

>>49235762
Everything that was, is, and ever will be made by humans you mean.

>>49235765
Thank you.

>>49235767
i thin we were talking about banned skills and multiple EX's (though i think thats only solomon), more than cp/sp costs.

>>49235748
Assassin from Strange Fake I think. It was on the skill page when I initially brought everything onto the supplement and it's one of the ones I intended to try and give an explanation to in the (eventual) update.

>>49235760
It might feel wrong to you, but it's a massive balance problem and rather insulting to boot. If you want to talk about story issues, there are far more issues with say, people making Servants just to get certain powers, then that they don't get the most powerful, broken abilities in the series. There's also very little reason to use the supplement to do more then give the jumper powers if your jump lets people buy non jumper Servants for cheaper (Which if they can stick to canon builds, they will be) and get stuff they couldn't normally.

>>49235788
>>49235760
I think the bigger question is about how you guys are going to handle GO's new servant skills, stuff like Star Emblem and the like. Will those be added to the main supplement?

>>49235804
That's part of the aforementioned update I'll eventually get to doing, once I'm not so bogged down with Uni exams and I get some motivation. I'll be trying to add a lot of the skills that do have info on them from G/O, maybe not the most recent stuff till it has more, and some skills might not be added, but almost everything should make the cut.

>>49235788
...how about this.

if something is banned in a canon build, replace it with something that isnt.

imperial privilege with expert of many specializations. no longer infinite, but still has a decent base.

would something like that work?

I want to rescue as many Diclonii as possible in Elfen Lied. What's the best way to do this?

>>49235603
I suppose that I might handle Gilgamesh by saying that due to his special circumstances, after the corrupted version is defeated then whether he incarnates or remains a card he is no longer properly connected to the gate of babylon and can only draw forth minor noble phantasms at the very most (E rank maybe). Don't really want to ban it but also don't want people to get the full power gate of babylon. Any other suggestions from people on how to handle Gilgamesh are welcome.

>>49235828
It fixes the banned part, it'd also need to apply to more then one EX builds, but it doesn't fix the problem that sticking to canon builds can end up as cheaper ways to get the Servants them building them. Yes, I said earlier it was solved, but that was under the impression you were not keeping the canon build stuff. With you wanting to keep it, the problem of some Servants being worth much more CP/SP then what you're offering them for is still present.

>>49235804
>>49235815

Well so far we only have the Materials/data book for everyone who debuted in anything up to Oceanos, which does include proper Jeanne Alter Avenger i think. That being said some of these feel like you could've fluffed them using earlier skills, like Marie Antoinette is litearlly stacking 3 different forms of Charisma or something

>Grace of God: B
Born to be a beautiful monarch, endowed with the greatest body and good looks.

>Beautiful Voice of Fascination: C
A natural beautiful voice.
It works as a fascination magecraft-like effect towards males, but evasion is possible by means of Magic Resistance Skill. Even without Magic Resistance, one can abate it to some extent so long he maintains a will to resist.

>Princess of Loveliness: A
A charismatic nature in regards not to leadership, but the ability to charm the people around her.
For Marie, who possess A Rank in this Skill, she can attract a knightly individual to protect her just by existing.


Or in Asterios' case you have
>Natural Demon: A++
Not a hero or god that has fallen down to a magic beast; this is a Skill that those who were given birth as a monster are endowed with.
Asterios has attained a Rank of STR and END which is absolutely impossible for a human body.

>>49235683
Really? Do you think it'd be okay for Complete Arsenal from Worm to give access to as many powers as you want, pretty much whatever you want, whenever you want them, all at the same time? Not only that, but with what you can get not weaker than the power it's based on, but much stronger. Because that's basically what a fully stocked GoB would be the equivalent of.

How the fuck are you even a real person?

>>49235845
Yeaaaah, I noticed long ago when looking at some of the skills Apocrypha Servants had. When only one character has a skill it can often get pretty specific and kinda not great.

Thanks for the Oceanos thing though, that'll be a good mark to add things from up to.

Can someone help a tired idiot out?
I don't understand the purchasing system for Jobs in Fallen London.

It states "Each job rank costs 100CP. Each successive rank includes the perks of the previous ones."
So do I have to purchase the previous ranks or would I only have to spend 100cp on Expert?

>>49235829
Well, first off, most of the Diclonii will need serious therapy. Lucy isn't an odd case, plenty of others like her suffer similar pain, both mentally and physically. Another thing you're going to want to do is find a way to bring humans and Diclonii together in peace. Naturally, due to the latter's strange appearance and powers, the first reaction people will have is fear and hatred, and Diclonii have that DNA voice thing. You're going to need to address both of those things. And finally, putting a stop to the horrific experiments conducted on the Diclonii should not only improve their lives but also help them with dealing with each other and with humanity.

>>49235884
You do have to purchase all the ranks leading up.

>>49235848
We both know that's bullshit. Gil has those weapons, but his ability to use the majority of them is limited by his skill, to the point he basically throws anything that isn't Ea or Enkidu. He never displays so much versatility that he can be said to have 'as many powers as you want, pretty much whatever you want'. That's pretty goddamn misleading.

>>49235921
He's actually quite skilled with most of them (Just not to the level of a Servant who'd actually become legendary using their weapons) and is shown to be able to use and activate the special features of a fair number in his various appearances. It's mostly his arrogance that leads him to NP spam, not really a lack of versatility or ability.

>>49235890
What's the point of those experiments anyway?

>>49235957
>most
Eh that's not quite right, maybe more like he's quite skilled in a number of weapon types.

>>49235843
...its not really fair of me to ask you to provide examples of where this occurs.

i have no problem booting a second EX down to an A, for the record.

maybe paying the extra cp difference? though that feels klunky at best.

>>49235829
Mindreading, clones and teleportation to find and rescue them. Also I'd also get that thing from Elite Beat Agents that lets you hijack global broadcast systems and translate into any language to show exactly what the researchers were doing. Use that to publicly display anything that the people in charge are doing thats messed up and it should keep the future people in charge in line.

>>49235921
How hard do you actually think it'd be for a companion to test the limits of his abilities and acquire the skill/mindset necessary to use them like that? Because Gil's Treasury contains the better prototype of nearly every conceptual weapon in the Nasuverse.

>>49236008
I just want to know who built all those for him.

>>49235911
Thank you.

>>49235982
I'm fine giving examples. Look at the pricing for any of the star rankings. I can give a almost certain assurance that the majority of Servants under each tier would cost more to make with the normal system then they would to just buy them with these tiers and keep their canon builds. If you're talking about examples of banned things or rules being bypassed, go look at the banned list in the supplement. Taking any 'canon build' Servant would let them bypass that and get their banned skill back.

Paying the CP difference would be very unlikely to work, since the costs would be very large, especially if you intend to have 1600cp limit on the drawbacks. It'd also make several Servants like Gilgamesh impossible to get, as you don't have the several million CP to pay the difference that should exist.

>>49236033
no one. its a conceptual armory.

alternately, the ancient babylonians who also turned his throne into a spaceship.

>>49235988
Hmm. I think I know the perfect setting for the first two, and I picked up Terminal Networker in SMT, which should be good enough for teleportation purposes.

>>49235957
I was mainly talking about the 'special features'. Gil is a skilled warrior (generally), but the other anon was implying that he basically has every super power, which is blatantly false and it takes him time to withdraw his weapons from the GoB, which leads to him getting fucked over by a certain autistic redhead.


That's not getting into the fact that Gil acts differently depending on how hard the plot needs him job, so trying to take all of his appearances and look at all of them together as a 'complete' picture of his abilities doesn't really work.

>>49235965
Supposedly, it was to create the ultimate Diclonii capable of spreading them throughout the earth and eventually replacing humanity, or at least that was that one guy's goal. Can't remember his name right now, but he was some crazy scientist.

>>49235842
One thing I thought about when I briefly considered doing the jump myself (never got anywhere since I didn't actually like Prisma Illya that much) was making up some bullshit about the Gates recognizing that you're not the real deal on some level and locking you off from some stuff. So on the meta level you'd be able to pick X from a selection of Gil's more iconic NPs (individually, not a package like the next choices), being able to access everything but being unable to actually activate them at all (fiat block) so they're just really, really, REALLY good swords and lances and whatever else you can get there, and having access to the Gates as an actual place to store your own stuff. Your own idea of only having minor stuff could work with this system too, if you think it's any good.

>>49236081
Ahh, my bad then. It's true he doesn't have every superpower and certainly not at every level, but I don't doubt he could solve most situations if he ever bothered to catalogue what he had in there and plan prior to fights. Definitely not something any of his incarnations would do however. Even the less arrogant/idiotic ones like in Extra seem to prefer just going max power with the strongest NPs instead of abusing the various artefact abilities he has access to.

That said, the time he takes to draw things is pretty negligible. It's only within the REality Marble where Shirou/Archer actually outspeeds him.

>>49236008
I don't know what you are asking. It kind of depends on the companion, and this is a conversation about Gilgamesh, not Gilgamesh working with another powerful companion.

>>49236090
>Some idiot thought he could replace all of humanity with a species made up only of little girls

>>49236048
...actually make a few. im not certain on that.

generic saber
class - 475
A Str - 0
A End - 50
A Agi - 25
A Mana - 100
A Luck - 150
A Riding - 100
A Mresist - 100
A Personal - 100
A NP - 100

475+50+25+100+150+100+100+100+100=1200.

thats exactly on the price for a 2* servant, and well below a 5*. adding an Ex makes it 1550, but thats still below. adding some +'s (two and a discounted one, or one and three, or five discounted) takes it to 1800 exactly.

that seems well below that stat levels for most servants.

if your talking about the gate being full, then empty it i guess? but if you mean that most servants in FGO would cost more sp than would be available, then i think i disagree.

>>49236140
There was a male rapebaby Diclonii. Or it might've just been a deformed human. My memory is a little fuzzy.

>>49236140
Eh, Vectors can apparently transform babies in the womb into more Diclonii or something, but yeah, that plan was stupid. I mean, what happens when all the humans are dead? You can't even say they could use sperm banks or some shit, because Diclonii are sterile. How the hell are you going to keep the population going?

>>49236090
Kakuzawa.

He wanted Diclonii to replace humans so that, like, hundreds of years down the line the new race would worship him.

>>49236140
What this >>49236173 guy said. The good director fucked some woman so she had a male diclonii that he could then make rape his half-sister.

>>49236168
Most Servants have more then a single NP and more then just the skills discounted for them. But fine. Tell me what each tier of Servant costs and I'll have a look myself. I'm sure I can find at least a couple Servants that are worth more, considering how many there are. Even one is really enough to show the system doesn't work.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, but you offering discounts or freebies for Servants also kind of wrecks the argument that the prices aren't cheaper.

>>49236168
There are very few Servants that are built with all As. You'd be better off trying to stat Medusa or Cool Chewtrain if you are trying to make an actual point.

>>49236195
But that makes no sense! First off, he's a human, and one who tortured them, why would they worship him? Second of all, Diclonii are sterile, and even if two of them weren't, that's nowhere near enough to sustain a population, even ignoring the fact that incest would cause eventually cause the line to fall apart. This is even ignoring the fact that the Diclonii were already starting to fight amongst themselves, and odds were they'd probably kill the fertile ones by accident. This whole plan is absolute bull shit!

>>49236204
1* is 1000 cp, and it increases by 200 for each one.

and... not in grand order? gameplay limitations force them to only have one Np.

>>49236256
So all canon builds may only have a single NP in this jump then? You're not putting in any clause about getting the other ones post jump?

>>49236256
>gameplay limitations force them to only have one Np.

Okay, but is that true in fluff as well?

>>49236256
>>49236264
Problem: The Materials mention additional Phantasms for GO Servants besides the ones used in game, like Marie's (Yeah I'm using her as an example a lot but honestly she's one of the more weird/stand out ones IMO) Crystal Palace

>>49236264
in a canon build, (er, canon to FGO, not the nasuverse as a whole), only 1 np.

and... i dont think they can? you cant go through the supplement twice, so i dont think theres a way to get more anyways?

>>49236246
He's a mad scientist in an anime. Logic never gets in the way of their dreams of godhood.

>>49236276
apparently not? >>49236293

that said, im looking at three different wiki pages, and none of them list her with a second Np.

>>49236293
Does Attila have any extras beyond rainbow sword?

>>49236264
>>49236256
I have no idea what this is about anymore.
Can we just have a fixed cost for a Canon Servant (or their stat sheet if you are becoming the servant)
You can pay the fixed cost in lieu of buying the stats NP, etc a la carte if you wish.
(Gilgamesh would let you summon copies of stuff in.attached to your warehouse.)

Valeria, what do you think in a fair price for that?
Anon, what about you?
Normally a complete package background is 1,000 CP. Do you both think that is fair?

>>49236246
From what I remember his family had vestigial horns and passed down a legend that they were descended from demons with powers or something that lost their powers and were hunted down by humans. He thought that the diclonius were a resurgence of the demons. Turned out that it was just a family myth though.

>>49236256
Well, first hiccup. Tried making Saber, according to her profile in GO game, and it comes out to 1850SP. That's one, the main mascot, already over the limit.

>>49236354
A fixed cost is the problem anon. That's what this entire argument has been about. There is no fair price because Servants vary so much. Either your paying far, far less then what it should cost or your paying much more then you should be paying. This is all trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing, when the fix is flawed and full of holes.

Yes, it can take a few minutes to make something in the Supplement, but it's mostly balanced and allows a wide range of creativity while not over or under charging the jumper. A fixed cost will not work because the Servant system is practically built on contradictions and the tier system in game is more then a little based just on the popularity of certain Servants.

Are there any perks that keeps blood out of my clothing? I'd like to Rip and Tear, but I'd rather not stain my shirt.

Jump #140: Titanfall
>Justice (Things set to rights.)
>Age: 34
>Location: ...the cockpit of a Titan? What?
>Identity: Engineer (-100)
>Drawbacks: Even In The Future, Nothing Works! (+200)
>Back from the Brink (1000)
Back to friendly territory? Hm. Doable.
>Titan Engineering (Free, Engineer)
And now I know how to put together yet another variety of mech. I would however argue that these ones have nothing over the many others I'm familiar with by now.
>What's This Do? (900, Engineer)
Oh hey, now I can basically learn how to operate virtually all advanced technology with an interface.
>Synergy of Man and Machine (700, Engineer)
This... kind of seems overpriced, but hell, I may as well go for it anyway. Yay I know how to design control interfaces? Actually, this sort of thing would've been useful for Legacy of the Aldenata since the controls of power armor there are absolutely retarded.
>Cheaper By The Dozens (400, Engineer)
Mass production. Streamlined designs. I'm going to have to just make some sort of semi-autonomous mass-produced robots that will work when I need warm bodies. Perhaps I'll shrink down some SupCom engineers to do the work.
>Authority Equals Asskicking (0)
Now this is a perk that will be handy. The higher my rank in any organization, the more competent I am.

Now, the question becomes, which side is right?

Well, not the corporation doing its corporate thing, that's for sure. First thing I'm going to do is jack something FTL capable and go to Earth to ask them what the hell. From there... well, depends a lot on questions that can't be answered, now doesn't it?

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>>49236333
I don't think so but Atilla has a skill where everything she touches is Sword (Civilization Erasure EX). Well more properly its:
>This is a subconsciously active skill of the heroic spirit Altera.
>Anything in her grasp is transformed into its "best" form currently most suited for herself.

Which is why her valentine's chocolate is partially sword

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>>49236413
That's not fabulous enough. And besides, I don't do monochrome.

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Okay I have a lot of catching up to do, been working with my kid nephew, who has freaking pneumonia right now cause he loves to swing a bit too much.
Mardutkh thank you for trying to answer the questions. You trying to help when I wasn't here really was nice.

>>49227861
>One, we are back to charging for things a Fae-Born should be getting for free.
Perhaps you weren't here for the Knowledge vs. Access that I gave out a while back.

>Errata weirdness.
Like any good ST, just ignore Errata and other sources when they make little to no sense.
Some design decisions were made for the oddest reasons, and some were even made out of spite.

>Native Nerf.
I have looked it over and the above decisions should work most of the time. The only things that I that are prevented from Creation-Born Fae-Blooded with a forged Grace is Unshaped and Assumption Keyworded Charms.

>>49236429
Truly the most Shirou of Sabers.

>>49236388
I think maybe aura from RWBY? I don't recall ever seeing blood on a hunter/huntress with an active aura, though that may just be due to poor animation quality.

>>49236384
I was assuming you would pay a la carte, like now if it is cheaper.
And that there should be a maximum cost for existing servants you should not have to go over to duplicate them. 1,000 CP is basically the entire budget, on one thing, either being or summoning and existing servant. It seemed fair to allow something pre existing in the setting for 1,000 CP without needing drawbacks

So that would be the most you would have to pay to have be that one servant you really wanted.

>>49236413
For ANTS I tell you!

>>49236429
>I don't think so but Atilla has a skill where everything she touches is Sword (Civilization Erasure EX). Well more properly its:
>This is a subconsciously active skill of the heroic spirit Altera.
>Anything in her grasp is transformed into its "best" form currently most suited for herself.
>Which is why her valentine's chocolate is partially sword


So what you're telling me is, she is Shirou's dream waifu.

>>49236573
So you want to be able to buy Servants that might cost upwards of 2000 or close to 3000 Cp for half or less the actual cost? You're not serious. That's WORSE then this canon build stuff. Add in the freebies and discounts on the overall price this jump already has and it's just insane.

Why should this jump offer them at such a massively reduced price?

Can someone remind me what the ruling was for what an EX-rank God Hand would stop?

>>49236650
I don't remember what I said at the time but it should still be in the archives. If it's not I'm fine saying again but don't scream at me if it accidentally contradicts what I said a year or more ago.

>>49236332
Anon.

Anon please. Capitalize this properly. Every time I read you I feel like I'm reading Bancho

>>49236388
Just grab some form of hydrokinesis.
Or enchant/science your clothes to repel liquid and grime.

Warding and the like saves big on utility bills.

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So, how is Ultimate Spiderman, or whatever s/he's going to use for their title, going?

Also howdy all.

>>49236773
>Warding and the like saves big on utility bills.
I have Inventory for that.
But yes enchantments using Prestidigitation as their core can have the item instantly warm, chill, change color at will, repair at a slow rate, clean or soil itself (if you want that dashing just out of the dust storm look), among other things. Prestidigitation was callled Least Wish at our table for ages just because of how good it was.

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Jumpers, when have you managed to not only redeem but befriend the BBEG?

>>49236925
Why would you want to?

>>49236925
By befriend the big bad do you mean waifu the big bad?

>>49236680
Found it:

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/41116863/#41117482

>>49236925
Yup.

Nyx.

>>49236987
Well, there you go. Hope it's good enough.

>>49237011
>>49236987
The resistance gained from Godhand wear off? The wiki completely failed to mention that.

>>49237011
Yes, it is. Thanks. Also, how many characters in Fate actually have EX-rank attacks? Gilgamesh and, what, Semiramis?

>>49237042
It does but it also seems to be what happens. Saber can still manage to hurt him (At least break the skin, not take a life) with prana burst boosted strength in their second fight, despite the fact that what little damage she could do in the first one should've made that impossible.

An NP that makes you permanently immune to any attack after experiencing it once (Well, nigh immune apparently?), when the attack can be as broad as 'burnt by fire' would be too powerful in any case, especially combined with what else he has. Hence the pseudo canon limitation that it goes away after some time. I've tried to limit as few things as possible with NPs but this is just one of the things that's too much to have as in canon.

>>49237067
Anyone with an EX rank NP generally should, long as it's not a defensive type like Arturia. You should be able to easily find a list of those on the wiki. I don't believe anyone with EX strength exists but you might want to be wary of anyone with above A rank strength, since they might have a skill or NP that boosts their strength further. Semiramis is the only one I know of that should have magic spells capable of harming you at that level, with her NP fully active, though if you screw around too much/give them warning, other Casters /might/ be able to set up a big enough spell. This is more for the Medea level people with a huge leyline area and territory creation then it is for guys like Gilles. So uh, just be careful and murder the wizards first.

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>>49236999
As expected of reverse Satan

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>>49234064
>Defending Freedom, Liberty and humanity with a collective hive mind of mutant daughterus

I don't even know what my job is any more.

>>49237256
You're nothing more than a walking uterus, senpai.

>>49237263
I outsource it out to the spawning pools these days, I get a much better 1st generation yield.

Besides which I was still doing other things! I used the time to build various flavors of laser.

>>49237307
Every house mom needs her little hobbies, I suppose.

I read the City of Heroes Jump, and looking at Heir to the Throne, it seems like it doesn't actually need you to take eNCsoftropy, point-wise. If I missed something however, please correct me.

Tech Origin (0)
Controller Archetype (50)
Clockwork Faction (150) [Discounted Tech]
Gadgetry (300) [Discounted Tech]
Psychic Mastery (450) [Discounted Controller]
Psychic Control (750) [Discounted Controller]
Minions, Robots (1550)

>>49237473
I guess the maker forgot to change costs when he raised the drawback limit.
I don't know if you're supposed to be able to get it without that drawback.

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>>49237371
American Values starts with the family

Rolled 62 (1d100)

Dont mind me just rolling.

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can you produce offspring with angeloids?

>>49237641
>Breeding with your robot slave.

>>49237641
If you try hard enough you can get results fugging anything.
Might I direct you to some of the perks from in Nomine?
Alternatively Shrek has an option for that as well.

>>49237659
Are you telling him that he needs to Shrek that pussy?

>>49237641
There are perks for letting you breed with anything, even a robot.

>>49237669
did you forget to turn off the meme drawback anon?

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>>49237256
>collective hivemind of mutant daughterus

This seems like, at least 3 different kinds of heresy.

>>49234064
The LAST time? Well-technically I was supposed to be a gun cultist but I decided the universe ill needs a cosmic reset button, channeled Balefrost through the thing so it shot itself out of existence and became the new gun deity under Necromonger law.

There's at least 5 people I've fucked over in the process, but fuck 'em, they didn't play through Undertale.

>>49223615
[City of Heroes]

Drawbacks: Mission Architect Addict, Ambush! Wanted, Nemesis Plot (1800)

Rolled Mercy Island

Natural, Defender (1750)

Time Manipulation (1350)
Kinetics (950)
Force Field Projection (650)
Gravity Manipulation (50)
Holy Shotgun (0)

In which I STILL have no idea what I'm doing or how anything works other than going on the run. How does a singularity that has my powers even work? Does my Stand pop out of it to bop people on the head every now and then? Does it turn into a white hole when it gets set on fire?

I don't know, I'm just this strange hobo constantly playing mobile VR simulators while never going on missions and ranting about nemesis plots. I don't even know who or what Nemesis even IS at this point, I just know it's out to get me.

Is city of heros done? I thought it was a wip.

>>49237688
I live on stupid jokes.

>>49237731
The main jump has been done forever. You're thinking of the gauntlet/dlc thing.

>>49237731
The actual jump is done and just got an update.
The gauntlet made by someone else is not and probably won't be for a while considering how it looks at the moment.

Jump #141: Alien
>Four of Swords (The need for vigilance in a moment of calm.)
>Location: USCSS Hereward
>Identity: Captain
>Drawbacks: Company Man (+600)
This should be easy as long as no one does anything too stupid, actually.
Wait, this is the Alien 'verse. Fat fucking chance of everyone not being morons.
>Navigation (1400)
Any captain worth their salt should know how to fly the damn ship.
>Radio Operator (1200)
Coordinating crew is part and parcel of the job.
>Leadership (Free, Captain)
Having rank means knowing how to use it properly. Captains don't last long otherwise.
>Intuitive Direction (800)
Well, it's important to know one's own ship. Otherwise you get lost walking down endless beige corridors- wait, that was TNG.
>Fabrication (400)
Hey, everybody needs hobbies.
>Direct Commands (200, Captain)
When I speak, people need to listen. When I make a plan, I need to make sure it's the right one.
>Headset (150)
Hey, a set of headsets is useful, never know when you might need to coordinate a group.
>Computer Passkeys (Free, Captain)
Who needs to hack? I have rank here.
>Portable Computer (0, Captain) (my captain)
Having a direct link to the ship's computer is useful. And I'm pretty sure that, despite not getting the hacking skills of this jump, the myriad hacking abilities I obtained in other jumps should still work so that maps can be updated.

So, I've got to check out a missing ship, which is so far out of the way that it's going to take a better part of the year to reach it. But then, we're probably the closest and fastest ship to it. I suppose we should be prepared for anything, but... you know what? This ship is pretty crappy in several ways, and I'm an engineer who has little tolerance for bad work. And so over the course of a year we get some interior redecorating done. This accomplishes not much, other than ensuring the ship doesn't look like an industrial nightmare. It may not match technical specs, but if it purrs like a kitten afterward, it's worth it.

>>49237756
Power-limiting things are annoying, I would say. I got so used to using my clairvoyance to look for things that my first instinct was to look for the Nostromo when I decided to call it a night on the first day I was there. I woke up three days later in Medical, with the knowledge that Ripley was in an escape pod bound toward the frontier and the Nostromo was in atoms. And that I was starving after not having eaten for three days. That's all well and good, but it meant no using my favorite power to cheat early on, unless I wanted to be knocked out.

Also, screw food restrictions; I have so much stored in the warehouse that it isn't even funny, who needs to actively make it? Bread! Apples! Cake for everyone!

>Where the fuck did you get all that from, captain?
I went out to the corner store, now shut up and eat your damn cake.

Once we arrived... well, system is empty. There's barely any sign of wreckage (but there IS some wreckage in a decaying orbit). Okay, that's all well and good. Let's go investigate the planet- oh hello this is a derelect spacecraft which has been here for a couple thousand years, just sitting. Aaand idiots had to go and poke the fucking eggs. And the facehuggers have acid blood. And now the aliens have left behind a couple of corpses. And now I remember the setting.

WELP. Into the warehouse we go. Out we come with military hardware and a floating flashlight that talks, so there can be a safe patrol of the less-traveled areas of the ship, for we are going to make damn sure these aliens don't get to eat the crew. Sure, specimens are interesting, but specimens are expendable considering there's a source of the damn things on the planet.

>>49237748
My dude he just posted an update with a bunch of new stuff in the last thread.
>>49223615

>>49237765
In fact, they only got to kill three people and one dog. One was killed when the crew lit it up with assorted weaponry from Halo (and its corpse nearly melted through the hull). The other was flushed out an airlock along with myself. I apparated back onto the ship and nearly passed out from the effort and the regeneration from injuries, but the xeno mostly burned up in what little atmosphere the planet had. Anything that didn't burn up, I guarantee splattered on the planet. Xenos are tough, but they're not survive-reentry tough.

After that... sat down with the crew, weighed options, and managed to get five people to volunteer to go back to the planet. People will do anything for money, after all, and the terms were set down very carefully - live video from all five of them, one of which was to watch the perimeter and the other two to operate in two-man teams. No poking the eggs, document the hell out of everything involving that ship, then come back.

>Where the fuck did you get all that from, captain?
I went out to the corner store, now shut up and hide those damn gold bricks.

So naturally, Alien being the setting that it is, one of them poked an egg. Instead of letting it play out as it did the last time, we just threw that idiot in cold storage and went 'fuck this, we're all getting the hell out of here, and the Company can deal with it themselves'.

Fuck it. Gold and cake for everyone! Now let's go find Ripley's escape pod.

What's that? An explosion on the planet as we left? Perhaps that derelict craft's drives finally went up. It definitely wasn't the ten kilograms of antimatter I snuck on board when we were preparing to dust off.

>>49237771
I noticed it in ASA's post after I posted. Shows me.

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>>49237721
>This seems like, at least 3 different kinds of heresy.

In my mind the fact that they're adorable daughterus defending Justice, Freedom and Humanity balance the scales. I don't expect the Ecclesiarchy to agree but its really hard not to be a heretic where their concerned anyway.

You know what I say? Cute mutant with glasses is cute and purge all who disagree!

>>49237679
Jump?

>>49237832
Already some in the thread.
>>49237659

>>49237832
Also Generic Hentai. . .

>>49237865
>Staying up to 6am to troll

>>49237866
Gotta get it in before school, or so it might seem.

I wonder how many others are even awake at this hour?

>>49237879
Seems like about 4 or 5, but none all that active.

>>49237879
5 AM here.
Though, I'm not sure I qualify as awake.

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>>49237887
Designated Shitposter Reporting

>>49232191
>After bonding with a perfect host they can't do that anymore.

That is also the point when they gain a resistances to their weaknesses, if we get a "perfect bond" we shouldn't need to pay CP for that resistance.

>>49237879
Back when I was going to school, I'd wake up a couple hours early so I could real and truly "wake up" so to speak. It takes me awhile.

Although sometimes my insomnia would kick in and I'd wake up several hours earlier than normal and decide, "Well, I guess I'm just up now."
Which meant I got a lot of extra time to futz around on the internet before class.

If I could choose between that and more sleep, though, I'd take the sleep every time.

On a compeltelly different note.
Don't drink a dose of Nightquil and then chase with water before going straight to bed. I just woke up to my own shouting of 'Why are there tires in the line!?'

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>>49223615
Doesn't it seem unfair that there's only this NPC Background section for mostly evil people? I mean, they get special bonuses for combos, and there's nothing comparable for the good-aligned.

The Patron/Sidekick and the
Lieutenant/Membership perks they block off don't really compare. Membership and Lieutenant gives you a 300 point perk for paying 300 points (assuming you go with the discounted) after the jump is basically over or a single companion. Patron/Sidekick is a drawback and just gives you a discount on something. Meanwhile NPC Backgrounds pay nothing to 300 (mostly 150-200) and then build normally, and if things were going along with their powers get free powers, improvements to their purchased powers, and often free companions.

>>49237915
Yeah, it's 6 in the evening here in Australia. Prime time for doing nothing constructive.

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>>49237966
I stopped shitposting out of sheer Pic Related. WTF man?

>>49237966
Nyquil reacts poorly with. . . water? Are you serious?

>>49237994
Our shitposter isn't an Oz, though. He has none of the skill and creativity you associate with ausposting. He's just a North American of some sort who's angry that, though Tyron is fucked his mom senseless, he ended up with a microdick.

>>49237966
Nigga, NyQuil doesn't react with or to water. You just had a bad dream.

>>49237966
I think that's less the nyquil and more your head...

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>>49238013
Dude, I have no fucking clue.

>>49238024
I don't think so. I've chased Nightquil with water all my life, it was just the one time, I thought it'd be funny to tell you guys.

>>49238029
See above.

>>49238033
See above and probably.
I wonder what 'tires in the lines' means in dream speak.

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>>49238033
I've been wondering where that brain went.

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I feel like I have made a huge error.

>>49238053
>posting this late
Yeah, probably. Almost no ones on.

>>49238053
What error did you make?

>>49238053
Oh neat! Looking at it.

Before anyone says, yeah, it's just a sample WIP.

>>49238057
I frontloaded it with lore.

>>49238053
You're getting bogged down in the lore IMO
We've got wikis and other crap if we have questions

>>49238053
>57 pages
You are very ambitious to be giving page numbers for material that isn't done yet.
I have to say I like how you have hyperlinks in the index.

>>49238071
Lore is good.

>>49238073
>Relying on a wiki to inform people about your jump
Shit-tier.

>>49238071
It does have a lot of a lore, but my major issue is the light blue letters are hard as fuck to read in some places.

>>49238073
Not always the best idea, as I've been told. Repeatedly.

>>49238080
You can also use lore to fluff out perk and drawback descriptions, but there is a limit on how much you can include.

>>49238087
>Not always the best idea, as I've been told

It requires balance. It shouldn't require it to make the jump, but you also shouldn't make your jump 20 pages of straight lore without any purchases.

>>49238108
>there is a limit on how much you can include.
No there isn't.

>Waah too many pages!
Use the index to skip ahead.

>>49238114
>Use the index to skip ahead.

Most jumps don't have it
Though Myrmidont did good with that.

>>49238108
>6 pages
>20 pages
Learn to count.

The problem is if I have a perk that goes "...your ego and morph are especially resistant to attempts to corrupt it, such as through the exurgent virus...", nobody is going to know what I'm talking about unless I put it at the front.
So I'm thinking I might have to shuffle it all to a lore section at the back, but then I need to work out what needs to stay at the front end.

>>49238126
I was making a general statement
Stop being such a cunt

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>>49238053
You need to insert a clause ensuring that continuity and consciousness are preserved through egocasting, backups and the like because that is normally NOT the case in this setting, everyone is just a psycho that doesn't care that they're constantly killing a version of themselves to create an identical clone.

I have read your section on it. You are STILL killing our original with egocasting and such. This doesn't adequately address the issue as far as I'm concerned. I do not care if the clone gets the perks and keeps jumping.

>>49238142
It is hard to balance, I'm glad you're at least attempting to adjust based on these suggestions.
You can have some lore up front, especially vital terms for the metaphysics or abilities of the setting, then elaborate enough on each perk.
An optional clarification lore dump would fit the usual notes section.

>>49238164
It's six pages with an index. You can easily skip it if you don't care. Positioning is irrelevant and from a design perspective it's always important to introduce terminology at the earliest possible convenience.

>>49238152
The "clone" is you, though.
But if you think it doesn't adequately address it, I'll change that.

>>49238198
The clone is a clone. As I said, I don't feel it adequately addresses the problem without a direct statement on continuity of self and consciousness.

>>49237915
Your nose is broken

>>49238203
Same thing happens every time you beam somewhere in Star Trek. Just don't think about it too much until you have more than one instance of yourself around at a time.

>>49238209
The Star Trek jump says it doesn't work that way for you unless you take the drawback.

>Don't think about how you're committing suicide!
This is a horrible and dangerous way of thinking and reveals a lack of self-preservation or sense of value in your own life.

>>49238198
Myr, have you not played SOMA?

They only way the clone becomes you again is when you "Defork". After assimilating your clone what you are is up to philosophy, but if you have two bodies with the same memories and they start experiencing different things they become separate entities.

>>49238198
>>49238209
The clone problem can be a big deal for certain people or philosophies, and gets even weirder when messing with the metaphysics of various settings and being a Jumper.

>>49238216
I thought it was just the fact that they ROUTED PLASMA THROUGH ALL CONSOLES EVERYWHERE that revealed a lack of self-preservation instinct.

Also, are you just asking for a fiat for that jump to ensure you have continuity of consciousness? I mean, the innate 'you'-ness persists, right?

>>49238223
They usually delete the original outright in egocasting, so you don't even get to ponder those kinds of issues. 'cause you're dead.

>>49238231
>Also, are you just asking for a fiat for that jump to ensure you have continuity of consciousness?
And self, yes.

>I mean, the innate 'you'-ness persists, right?
Not as it is currently.

>>49238232
Wouldn't your clone?

I mean providing that there was a 1:1 synchronization at the moment of termination that fact makes things a little more hazy.

>>49238246
Who cares? You the original is dead. You will not experience your clone's ponderings.

City of Heroes
age 23 male
rolled Ouroborous: chose Paragon City in the modern era
Mission Architect Addict +200
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Medicom Woes+400
Scrapper- 50 me
Elemental Melee:Darkness- 300 discounted for scrapper
martial arts -300 discounted for scrapper
Weapon Specialty:Zhanmadao -300, discounted for scrapper me
Umbral- 800
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Pamela "Pam" Poovey
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Themed Costume- Free
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Medicine -200
Presence- 100
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Defender-free
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*Notes: standard superhero scenario, trying very hard to be creative, my powers think the way the flash and Superman are still interesting Despite their amazing abilities. Might have to leave
the my coat off for this one.

>>49237765
>>49237772

I like your answers to the crew. I should start saying that, rather than bothering to lie, even if whoever is asking will believe me in most cases.

Sometimes it's just not worth the effort, but I'm still pretty early in my jumping career and keep thinking like a regular human.

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>>49238256
It's more complicated than that

>>49238272
It is not. I don't care about the observer side of the argument because I am no the observer in this situation. I am the original, and I have died.

>>49238216
Alright, so how about this:
> Since this mode of travel is so common (and starships take ages to get anywhere), during this jump egocasting from place-to-place will maintain your jump continuity. From your perspective you simply close your eyes in one place, and open them in the new body, continuity of consciousness intact.
>Since the method of travelling via Pandora Gates is canonically unknown, they will also work on the
same principle – travelling via Gate will not end your continuity of existence either.

Does that solve the issue?

>>49238226
>a big deal for certain people or phiosophies

...why should canon be rewritten just to appeal to some manic-depressive autist's pathetic excuse for philosophy?

Don't like ego casting? Don't take ego ego casting, genius. It's that simple. I don't see any hardcore Christian taking issue with demon perks or any solipsists saying they should be able to make their own CP.

>>49238152
You need to stop being an entitled, petulant child and realise that maybe.

Just maybe.

If you don't like an ability, you aren't OBLIGED to make use of it.

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>>49238281
At the moment of death the observer and the original are the same person, sharing information.

If I cut out half your brain are you dead or have you just lost part of yourself. Now I expand your brain and then remove it? Isn't that a similar situation? Every 7 years? Every atom in your body is exchanged. If you're completely different but just the same person what makes you you?

It's more complicated than that.

>>49238282
It works. I'd put the world self in there too somewhere, not 100% required but that's clear up the last bit of doubt on my end.

>>49238303
So you don't die? Most of us aren't really cool with that.

>Philosophy
It's literally an argument of observers and the coin flip between whether you're the clone reminiscing on the recent past or the original dying in the moment. Do you like gambling 50/50 with your life?

>>49238309
>Ability
Read the doc please, it explains this mechanic to you.

>>49238317
>same person
I meant same shape
Just fuck my shit up

>>49238317
>Observer
In this case this refers to an outside entity. From the perspective of everyone else.

Every part of your body is slowly replaced a few cells at a time, never losing continuity. It's not the same as what happens here, where your mind is uploaded to a server, then copied and sent elsewhere while you on the server is deleted.

>>49238318
Again-don't use ego casting. I don't have the patience or lack of dignity to indulge your whining, so I'm just going to repeat the obvious solution since you're slow in the head:

Don't

Use

Ego

Casting.

As opposed to changing everything about how something works in canon just because you said so. What next, you going to say Stands aren't really you so you should be able to have more than one?

Thing you can do. Whatever.

>>49238336
It's not an ability. It's literally how they travel.

Then again, you're not the jumpmaker, so your patience is irrelevant to me, and your hostility makes me think you're the shitposter getting some more jabs in before school starts.

>>49238303
>>49238309
I think (could be wrong) the concern is more about ego casting, exact physical clone comes into existence, original gets killed, Jumper wakes up on their home Earth.

A note that this is not how it's going to work for this jump (same as Star Trek had), is not a bad idea.

>>49238053
Not familiar with the setting, but why does the version of the virus that only changes your body cause chain end?

>>49238282
That seems to fix it for me, thanks.

>>49238331
>It's not the same as what happens here, where your mind is uploaded to a server, then copied and sent elsewhere while you on the server is deleted.

I agree but this isn't what I'm saying.
There has to be an almost flawless connection for continuity to be possible, but it is possible to hot swap bodies this way providing some theories about consciousness are correct.

But to be honest, the chance that these theories are incorrect would make me not want to chance it.

>>49238364
I don't trust theories on anything this important, it's not worth the risk to gamble your life on suicide.

It's also worth noting that plenty of people in this setting don't restrict themselves to ego-casting, they keep brain backups that get rebooted and put into bodies when the 'original' ends up dying. I don't think even you would argue that could be the same person. People in this setting basically have eroded their sense of self and self preservation to almost nothing.

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>>49238346
Okay man here's the thing. If the fiction doesn't agree with you and you don't like its mechanics, but it is canon you don't have to Jump it. Either don't do the thing you don't agree with, or don't Jump it. Jumping is purely a choice, in most cases with very few outliers like my own 'let the thread decide' system and the one guy who Jumps via a D8.

>>49238361
Ah, cool. I hope that's the guy I was talking to. I love it when everyone is satisfied but I'll take just a few as a solid second place.

>>49238380
I agree, I'm not chancing it
I've got a star ship that can space fold, I'll travel like the pedestrian hive queen I am

>>49238346
Weird, I had the same thought about you.

I think it's bullshit fundamentally that the wsy something works canonically is being rewritten solely because you're asshurt about MUH EGO DEATH even though I recognise it's not an overpowering advantage. I'll just wait until you try to use your stupid excuse to somehow wrangle owning two Exaltations in Infernals jump and get chewed out.

>>49238394
>If the fiction doesn't agree with you
The fiction does agree with me, in the sense that it states that it's basically the death of the original. Transhumanity just doesn't care.

If you're talking about how it works, then this kind of thing is generally fiated away not to kill you. Because jumpmakers generally don't want people to get instantly murdered by the common method of travel. This is how it works in Star Trek, the jumpmaker says "Teleportation doesn't kill your original." Saving everyone the headache and death.

>>49238410
Then is this, >>49238282 okay with you?

>>49238405
Why are you projecting random unrelated crap onto me? So you can generate some fake shitstorm later then point at this and scream "SEES!? I TOLDS YOUSE HE WAS BAD!"?

Why would you even want two Infernal Exaltations? Just one is going to give you access to all Infernal charms. There's zero reason to double down.

>>49238410
>everyone

Speak for yourself.

The issue is that I don't want to lock off a significant part of the setting because of philosophy, the same way jumpers in Star Trek don't have to shuttle everywhere (except for those that take the drawback).

If you're concerned that it's re-writing the setting, it's not, really; Joe Transhuman does indeed close his eyes and wake up in the new place, "his" continuity of existence intact, while his previous body is now braindead and wheeled off to the freezers.

Final revision for tonight:
> Since this mode of travel is so common (and starships take ages to get anywhere), during this jump egocasting from place-to-place will maintain your jump continuity. From your perspective you simply close your eyes in one place, and open them in the new body, continuity of consciousness and self intact.
>Since the method of travelling via Pandora Gates is canonically unknown, they will also work on the same principle – travelling via Gate will not end your continuity of existence or self either.

>>49238356
If it successfully infects you, it changes your body, including your brain. So it's kind of "some types just fuck your mind, other types fuck both your body and mind".

>>49238420
Yes, see my post >>49238318
>It works. I'd put the world self in there too somewhere, not 100% required but that's clear up the last bit of doubt on my end.

>>49238422
That turn of phrase does not mean everyone agrees with me. It means nobody will have a headache, whether they cared in the first place or not.

>>49238426
You're doing good myrm, there's only one guy who is flipping his burgers over the solution and I think he just wants to attack people/shistorm because of how hostile he is.

>>49238421
Because it pisses me off you're pushing to include noncanon crap in how a setting works SOLELY BECAUSE OF YOUR WORLDVIEW. guess we should never offer demonic powers to not offend all the christians/be damned to hell huh?

you know I don't think that we had these arguments over transporters in the Star Trek jumps, and it's basically the same thing. Why is this so different?

>>49238447
So you're projecting unrelated, theoretical, future shitstorms about different subjects with absolutely no relation in setting or in the core foundation of the disagreement onto me, because you're pissed about EP?

You know that doesn't justify it.

>>49238422
So... are you arguing that teleporters in Star Trek should kill you and end your chain then? I'm not sure why you're angry about that?

>>49238426
I don't like it, but like I said it's not something obviously OP so I don't think I can convince you and it's your call in the end. More than anything I'm just pissed that he'll try to use this as precedent for putting in increasingly gamebreaking noncanon shit in future jumps

>>49238460
See
>>49238456
>>49238421

For why your position is nonsense and probably just some ploy on your part.

>>49238438
Ah, cool then.
I has trouble telling the Anons apart sometimes.

>>49238455
Looks like for the most part it's cleared up, but a highly aggressive voice is on the rise. If you get what I'm saying.

>>49238455
Because most people had the decent to fanwank their own shit regarding that.

>>49238456
And you're not even disagreeing. You're saying f someone's an otherkin they should get to start every jump with their weird otherkin form.

>>49238476
I admit I'm salty. I'm salty as hell at what this represents: Some Insecure shit being able to dictate how a fictional setting works.

>>49238447
No. He's saying that a clone of yourself with your memories isn't you. It's basically oni lee's power from Worm. He's just wanting clarification that it won't end his chain. It does the exact same thing as before, there is no improvement from how you think it works (I'm assuming you don't think it ends your chain). Why are you so angry about this?

>>49238481
>Weird otherkin form
Do you even know what an Otherkin is?

If you meant furries, you might want to check Body Mod again.

>>49238495
He keeps saying I'll turn everyone into furries, give myself more power, and get two Infernal Exaltations. I think it's just bait really.

>>49238492
Just to be clear, I'm not sure I understand your perspective on this. Do you mind running the abridged version by me?

>>49238492
so you're saying jump makers should not make notes on how things in their jumps work within the greater scheme of Jumpchain ?

>>49238481
>Because most people had the decent to fanwank their own shit regarding that.
No the jump outright says it doesn't kill you.

>>49238509
Admittedly I conflate the two and I'm aware of the Body Mod option, but what you're doing implies you think you don't even NEED that option to be able to fanwank how established things work if that's how you REALLY feel about your personal identity and how it relates to Jumpchain.

You're taking something most people fanwank about and making it an overriding statement over the setting.

Power comes in differnet forms. If you don't care about giving yourself more power why don't you just NOT use ego casting to get around?

>>49238511
I recognise that this change doesn't meaningfully alter the functionality of ego casting, but I unilaterally oppose it because it represents the precedent of someone pressuring a jumpmaker to retcon the fundamental functionality of a described mechanism in a setting solely because of their own opinion on identity.

>>49238492
I'm kind of amazed at how enraged you are at someone being worried about the implications of continuity of consciousness meaning death of the original. Seriously. Was your dad an abusive philosophy major or something?

>>49238519
Alright, I admit to missing that.

Though the killing you part isn't a big deal to me as long as it works as canon. It's still ambiguous as to how it doesn't kill you; presumably whatever molecular weirdness the transporters there do don't count as death unlike what the other anon is flipping out about.

>>49238518
No, I am saying random people shouldn't change how something in a setting works as per canon because of their own personal whims without a good justification. And identity issues aren't a good justification.

>>49238536
>Fanwank
You can't fanwank in a situation where the canon is crystal clear on how it works.

>Power
Didn't you yourself say that this doesn't provide any power?

>Why don't you just not use ego casting?
Do you even know anything about this setting you're frothing at the mouth about?

>>49238536
When do your classes start?

>create clone of myself
>soul transfers to the clone
>my old soulless body dies
>I live on
I don't see the problem.

>>49238536
Okay, I can get that. I will say I think it needs to exist as a disclaimer, not because of an opinion on Identity, but because of concerns relating to the nature of the Jumper and what counts as death within the context of the Jumpchain.

No one wants to lose the chain because they felt like taking a weekend trip.

>>49236874
Posted my rough draft of the symbiote builder in the last thread >>49229621

Today's going to be busy but I'm hoping to get some work done on it today.

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>>49238544
First, you triggered me there, as in your description is very close to some things I'd rather not have dredged up. Second, It doesn't need to be gone over again it's settled.

>>49238573
Oh shiny.

>>49238544
...why do you keep accusing me of things I suspect of you? This is getting weird, man. Can you just call me a faggot or some shit?

Look. For the last time-I'm upset with you because you're using your concernsa bout the implications of continuity of consciousness to overwrite a setting's canon. I consider this absolutely abhorrent because this logically justifies any alteration of setting canon to appease an individual whim. That's the long and short of it.

>>49238554
>where the canon is crystal clear

And you don't have to use things if you don't like how they work.

I'm sick of being a broken tape recorder. I'm done.

>>49238567
Honestly I think a disclaimer is wholly reasonable too, people should know how something that affects them this fundamentally should work before choosing whether or not to make use of it.

>>49238561
Thank you, exactly.

>>49238553
A jump that allows you to go to oblivion while a perfect clone takes your place as jumper is called a "trap jump" anon.

Besides, Star Trek already made this same change. Why aren't you equally salty about that?

>>49238561
>create clone of myself
>implant my memories
>disintegrate myself
>clone takes my place

>>49238586
>Create memory of myself
>Implant my clones
>disintegrate myself
>memories take my place

>>49238580
>you?
That is someone else. You now have multiple anons speaking against you, if only for your tone.

>You don't have to use the things!
I repeat: Do you know anything about Eclipse Phase?

>>49238559
False positive. He hasn't said anything shitty about Red.

>>49238586
>>49238591
Your soul knows where it belongs.

>>49238586
Ah so you don't believe in souls and are just another salty athiest. Glad to know I can ignore you.

Any jumps out there with an Abridged Series drawback other than Naruto and DBZ? Gotta get that sass.

>>49238592
He said he's done, anon. I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>49238616
That wasn't me either. Also not how you spell atheist.

>>49238608
Meh, you know he's capable of harassing other people and bringing up other bait topics like lewds or names when he really feels like it.

>>49238608
>>49238616
Your soul belongs in your original body. A clone isn't a horcrux.

>>49238628
I think we just have more trolls than we're willing to admit.

you people know Consciousness will stop During certain parts of sleep or when you are sedated right? Also you are all arguing from The preassumption that your memories and thought patterns are not what made you you rather than a copy ,so if there's only one copy of your memorys and its Transfer'd from your body to another body on another planet why isn't that you?
>>49238608
the religions in the eclipse phase universe have different ideas about that then you.

>>49238619
Isn't Araulnauts or whatever Star Wars basically an Abridged Series jump?