MTG Modern General

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>>49232523

Tiers are usage-based. A Tier 2 deck can be better than a Tier 1 deck in a specific metagame.

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Posting best pact

RG Breach is my deckfu

>>49232523
Click! Clack! The Queen is coming out!
>Why is Death and Taxes the best Modern deck?
>Why aren't you playing it?

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>>49233343
Poc related

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>>49233343
But anon I do play Death and Taxes

Are there any decks that uses or could use Narset Transcendant ? I really want to see her have some play. Maybe a UWR shell to copy spell with value ?

>>49233343
I only opened two Vials during the first Modern Masters.

>>49233462
Doesn't provide enough value on the spot, or protect herself. Death knells for a Planeswalker.

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>>49233343
>>49233393
What is the best Death and Taxes?

>>49233393
>budget gw hatebears

not reason to play this over gw on modern, unfortunetely

>>49233615
>stable mana
>can actually run enough LD to matter
>makes better use of vial
GW hits harder but Mono W is more consistent.

>>49233612
>>49233682
How is the B/W Eldrazi version?

>>49233055
i'm not sure if i get it. the fact that it's modern playable? the op is a free force of will you can fit into any deck

>>49233562
I made some research and I guess you are right because she's only played in some fringe deck as 1-of. Too bad, really like her design.

>>49233897
>you can fit into any deck
>UU
>you have to pay 5 CMC on the upkeep or lose
>this vs a -2 that loses you 1 life and can be used even during your opponent's first turn
Force of Will is better in pretty much every situation.

The green pact, on the other hand, searches out a combo piece intended to take over a game when you cheat it into play. On top of that, 1 less CMC to pay during your upkeep if you have to in a color with a metric fuckton of mana dorks.

>>49233682
there's no mana problems on g/w. sure, you take some damage because of it, but only matters against burn and finks can fix most of that damage.

it runs 4 gq with 2 tect edge + loam on the sb, i think that's an amount of ld that matters.

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Is it possible to make this deck decent in modern?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/405249#paper
It's fun af and I'd hate to not be able to use it anymore

>>49234188
Yeah, you can convert that to modern. There are some Grixis variants, mostly control, that use snapcaster, dank- dwellers and various control spells. Midrange variants use Cletus and it's all fine. Be prepared to drop about 500 bucks for a land base.

>>49234188
holy shit this looks fun.

>>49234340
>Cletus
What exactly is that?

>>49234541
A nickname for Kalitas, I assume.

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Grixis Delver is best modern

I'm kinda hoping the new Chandra might give way to a better variant of Grixis Control though

>>49234541
>>49234553

The local nickname for Kalitas.
I particularly like it because on scg and wotc streams that pronounce it Kuh- LEE- tus when it's so obviously KAHL- eh- TAS.

>>49234594
Sorry bud. We rug in here

>>49234594
Potentially fucks up delve, snap and Tasigur abilities. Dunno.

>>49234511
Samefag please.

>>49234687
Not really? Exiling the top card of your library doesn't hurt your graveyard at all.

>>49234688
Dumbass please.

>>49234706
Yeah, I'm not sure why I was thinking that now.

Either way, forced to cast at sorcery speed seems bad senpai.

>>49234340
Same anon btw. Any lists I could take a look at? Or just throw together some control good stuff and fine tune from there?

>>49234799
When would you say you cast most of your creatures?

>>49234928
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/624058-grixis-midrange-control-blue-jund

>>49235032
Thanks so much familia

>>49234962
Right, right, because grixis casts so many creatures.

>>49234594
Don't let then pull the RUG out from under you

>>49235195
Grixis Delver?
Around 15 Creatures, and just to sweeten the deal, maybe 7-8 Sorceries.
You've got a pretty decent shot of hitting a card you were going to play at Sorcery.

>>49235483
>15
Yeah..more like 10-12 and 4 of which are snap, 3~ are delve so basically cost 1.

I'm getting the feeling you've never played the deck before.

>>49235821
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13397&f=MO

There's 15 in there. I'm getting the feeling you haven't won a Grand Prix, so you know, it's hard to value your opinion over recorded decklists.

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>>49233615
>>49233715

>>49236199
for gw, between hierarch, vial, path, pridemage and only being 2 colors, im quite ok with blood moon

>>49236199
Are we supposed to randomly point out that hate cards exist?

Should we be posting pictures of Rest in Peace whenever someone mentions Dredge, Delve, or Living End cards? Am I supposed to post a picture of an enchantment removal spell now?

What the fuck are you on about?

Say I were to build a modern G/W enchantress deck. What are some good ways to blank enchantment removal outside of my 2 copies of greater auramancy? Ivory mask is pretty good but it's 4 cmc. I suppose sideboard witchbane orbs could work as well?

>>49236324
Also, I'm not that blood moon posting cuck. Just wanted to point that out

>>49236234
ah, forgot they didn't always forgo vial for company

>>49236311
it wasn't random. someone said there was no reason not to play gw hatebears over monowhite, and i think weakness to hate counts as a reason not to play it instead of the version that isn't weak to hate

How the fuck does runed halo work. Is it only fit for naming creatures or damage spells? Can it stop cards like diabolic edict or batterskull? How about emrakul?

>>49237401
It gives protection. Go learn what protection does. Then the card does exactly what it says it does.

>>49237401
>You can't be targeted, dealt damage, or enchanted by anything with that name.

that's it. choose wisely

>>49237420
it's literally printed in the card. i bet his a standar player

>>49237401
LITERALLY SAYS

NAME A CARD

LIKE

FUCKING ANYTHING

ALSO NAMING BATTERSKULL WOULD BE RETARDED ON SO MANY LEVELS

>>49233343
modern DnT is a complete memedeck and is fundamentally flawed

eldrazi taxes maybe just because it runs a shitton of value, but monowhite "Im running path to exile in my mana disruption gameplan" DnT is a joke

>>49238036
>Legacy D&T shouldn't run Swords!

>>49238049
I don't agree with that guy but you clearly missed his point entirely

How does Magic work in universe? I assume people aren't actually playing cards like Yu-Gi-Oh. But then when someone summons Emrakul, how does that work? What's actually going on?

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>have disciple and coating out
>cast Saheeli
>use coating to turn her into an artifact
>us her -2 on herself
>get copy of her (which is an artifact) and sac the original
>disciple makes opponent 1 life
>activate -2 of copy Saheeli to get another copy Saheeli
>sac first copy
>disciple makes opponent 1 life
>activate -2 of #2copy Saheeli to get another copy Saheeli
>etc.

>>49238555
Wrong. Copying is the very first layer, so you get a copy of Saheeli before anything is done to her, so the copy isn't an artifact.

>>49238577
It copies all attributes of the target. If the target is an artifact at the time then the copy will also be an artifact.

>>49238593
Type modification comes after copying. That's literally all there is to this.

>>49238555
I already goldfished this like 25 times.

The combo is wildly inconsistent but can pull turn 3/4 wins out of nowhere.

However you lose to literally every interactive spell in the modern format, notably Lightning Bolt.

>>49238604
Judges have confirmed that this works. You are simply wrong about this mate.

>>49238577
Sheeli's -2 makes a copy as an artifact in addition to its other types. Read the fucking card.

>>49238577
This. Please stop, this doesn't work guys.

>>49234594
Tasigur looks like Meowth with long flowing hair in the thumbnail.

Also, Grixis Delver a best.

>>49238687
>-2: Create a token that's a copy of target artifact or creature you control, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. That token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
>except it's an artifact in addition to its other types
>it's an artifact
it's a simple concept. Before you call a judge, talk about layers, post on 4chan, you read the card first.

>>49238687
>an artifact in addition to its other types

>>49238555
>>49238577
>>49238593
This shit works because her ability makes it work

>>49238707
>>49238719
Guilty as charged. How embarrassing.

>>49238555
It depends on whether her ability is interpreted as
>copy target artifact [END] or copy a creature; it becomes an artifact

or

>copy target artifact or creature, it becomes an artifact

because the former would only make creature copies also an artifact (and thus it wouldn't work) but the latter always makes it an artifact no matter what you copy

but it's a 3 card combo using indvdually bad cards that dies to bolt so it's unplayable either way

>>49238764
Yeah, it's definitely the latter. It would seem that if you copy an artifact the type-altering part of the ability is just redundant.

Thanks to oversimplified text I'm fairly certain it works.

>no thread for standard

I want to build a deck around Displace and "Enters the battlefield" effects. I'm browsing as hard as I can right now through the standard card list, but I haven't played MTG since like Stronghold was a thing. Inspiration friends?

>>49239295
Just look for effects that draw cards, create tokens, or kill stuff.

>>49239295
Use the advanced search function on gatherer for EtB effects in standard

>>49239315
Basically what I'm looking for, but I wanted to see if anyone knew of specific cards/colours that would compliment this idea well.

>tfw awaken is too expensive to do some kind of derpy landfall awaken flickerdeck.

Could be fun though;)

>try to make fun themed decks
>usually not the most powerful decks but fun one
>friend just goes green/white buff and exile deck every time
>has half my creatures suppressed or exiled by round 10 and has 4 10/10s with menace and life link

No fun allowed

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>>49239325
>>49239315
IhavenoideawhatI'mdoing.png

>>49239412
.... are you joking? Seriously, tell me you're joking.

>>49239434
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[enter]+[the]+[battlefield]&format=+[%22standard%22]

>>49239465
I did the same search in xmage.

>>49239484
Idk, this is the modern thread. Go look at bant eldrazi decks, those eldrazi are still in standard I'm pretty sure, use some of their stuff.

>>49239412
This is the modern thread, not tyhe casual general. You could start one though, they tend to be fairly successful. Dont forget to post pics of your decks!

>draw SB cards
>win
>don't draw SB cards
>lose

>>49239785
(you)

>>49239785
>not main decking sideboard cards and building around them for maximum jank

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Thoughts?

>>49240189
obviously great sideboard card: scapeshift, ad nauseam, primeval titan, nahiri, living end, ...

i just realized that wotc successfully managed to kill control AND combo in modern. quite impressive

>>49240249
Just ones with only 1 win con. They can always go Celestial Colonnade to the face.
Some Ad Nauseam lists run conflagrate as well as lightning storm so they'll be fine.

>>49240281
>They can always go Celestial Colonnade to the face.
an?

>Some Ad Nauseam lists run conflagrate as well as lightning storm so they'll be fine.
name ad nauseam?

>>49240308
My bad, I was thinking they could use spoils of the vault but I read part of it incorrectly.

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Updated Tendo Ice Bridge at uncommon is sort of neat. Not really a huge deal, but Ice Bridge had gotten up to about $7 just from being a 1-of in random decks.

If they print any good cards that need Energy, it could see play.

>>49238555

alright boys time to start brewing modern liquimetal

run any number of 1 cost destructions and just start picking off any permanents, saheeli is your wincon

you can run splinter in the sideboard if you wanna piss off someone someday who thinks they're clever with their Mountains Only board and blood moon

ready?

>>49240189
>valakut
>splintertwin
well shit, time to uncuck modern

>>49240249
It hurts Nahiri but it's pretty meh against other control decks.

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A new toy for BW decks? More looking at Deadguy Ale and BW Eldrazi rather than tokens.

>>49241919
Can't see why you'd run this. SB Rule of Law if you want to beat storm, this card reads 'gain 5 life' against burn.

>>49241944
His is a one sided effect where as rule of law and eidolon are both. Plus he doesn't read in that sense more, pay 3, negate 5 damage to you, make opponent waste a card, opponent loses 2, at least in the burn matchup he does.

>>49241919
It's just not big enough I think. The effect is not bad since at the very least it also drains 2 when trading 1-for-1 with removal.
It's just that it's a very subpar beater for 3 mana. It doesn't hold up as a blocker or attacker compared to other creatures in Modern.

>>49241992
>negate 5 damage to you, make opponent waste a card
he only does 1 of these things. You don't gain 5 and make the opponent use a bolt, you gain 2 and make the opponent use bolt. If the opponent would prefer to bolt your face that's exactly the same as a gain 5 deal 2 damage spell.

>>49240894

>tfw all it needed was 2 counters

>>49241730

>naming valakut
>"the card says nonland though"
>"wait seriously? fuck okay, scapeshift"
>"i slam titan"

>>49241997

I think it's big enough for a sideboard in Junk or something. It's a free 2 for 1 against burn and counters a lot of Zoo's pump. If they don't deal with it, they can't beat you. If they do deal with it, which they have to, then they burned a card on him and rolled back a bolt (almost)

>>49240894
time to sell my ice bridge i guess

>>49233715
The manabase ends up kind of inconsistent since there's plenty of both colored and colorless mana requirements and fetches are a complete nonbo with Arbiters. Also you'll end up mulling more on top of that because theres plenty of MUs where you just can't afford to be playing a bunch of painlands on the curve.
It's super abusive when you get to go off and your opponent just doesn't get to play, but i ended up going back to monowhite + eldrazi since it can operate at a baseline level much more consistently
>>49233615
>Budget g/w hatebears
There a reason that the tier 2 builds that actually put up results consistently are the white and eldrazi builds. A deck with no card advantage will suffer from having 8 additional dead topdecks once your sitting on top of your curve at 3-4 mana. It also doesn't have as many good ways to interact with a bunch of other decks. It can be way more explosive and end the game a lot sooner but its much more vulnerable to non interactive combos and bad draws

>>49241919
that is not a modern card, it's a commander.
cool flavor tho

>>49242881
I would have been hyped if it was a 3/4 or it had Lifelink or something. It just feels like it's not pushed enough to be Modern playable.
I think the ability is cool though.

>>49242854
Id name titan before scapeshift. Fuck that fukboi. I can float negate mana because im already playing 1 bad card, I might as well go all in.

>>49242936
Definately too late....

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>hive mind
>deflecting Palm
>Angels grace
>parexian unlife


new meme adnausuim?
how well would this work

and more importantly
how funny would it be?

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How far do you go when stat-ing your decks?

This is a method where I goldfish for a number of trials keeping track of how much damage done per turn and then averaged.
Then I graph the average and the linear regression/equation. Pic related is for my burn deck; very steady deck. Obviously the caveat for this is the lack of opponent, but in 'gotta go fast: the format' it's good to see how fast a deck can hit for.

>>49243434
Autism

>>49242936
Only an idiot would buy one now. You'd be lucky to sell it if you listed it for $5.

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>>49243378

>>49243654
?

>>49244197
If you cast Madcap and hit Emperion, it doesn't matter if you revealed 40 cards, the damage does nothing. Madcap basically says "3R: Put Platinum Emperion from your library onto the battlefield."

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>>49240249
>Scapeshift
>Play Lost Legacy naming Scapeshift
>They reveal a hand full of Prime Times
>yfw

>>49243378
>Deflecting Palm

I'd like to see you run this combo anon

>>49244310
i named prime time and spaceshift separately for this reason

>>49244323
Who will make the memest boros/jeskai madcap deck?
>soulfire grandmaster and mistveil plains out
>madcap experiement
>simian guide, deflecting palm and spell pierce in hand

>>49238722
This, Her ability makes it an artifact regardless of whether i was one or not

>>49244308
question, is there a trigger for the damage after emperion has entered play?

>>49244684
read deflecting palm one more time bud.

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>>49245088

>>49240894
Not strictly better though, you can respond to energy gain trigger with LD

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>>49245147

>>49245181
Lol what. Instant speed land destruction that comes early?
This is the modern thread

>>49245074
No, the card literally just does what it says, in the order it says it. Emperion hits the field, then you take X damage, but since your life total can't change, nothing happens. You just paid 3R for an 8/8.

>>49245424
Ghost quarter and tec edge. It's also worse if you play it into blood moon as tendo will still get the counter while the new land won't get any energy. Also potentially allows weird situations where you can get fucked by instant speed hand disruption if they know you're color screwed out of something that's played at sorcery speed. The fact that you keep the colored mana through land destruction still makes it better though.

>>49237450
At least I am capable of forming complete sentences.

>>49246011
>instant speed hand disruption

Like what?
Aether Vial'd Tidehollow Sculler?

>>49247201
Vendilion Clique

Any chance of Wizards banning something in Dredge?

I'd like to complete it but I'm worried they'll go full Hitler on it

>>49248272
probably not.
except shitty city games, dredge hasnt put up many results. did pretty badly at the 3 last gps.

it is easily hated out and worse than affinity. new sets dont have graveyard theme, so id expect dredge to stay in the format for a long while

>>49248272
No, recent results have proven that Dredge is too easy to hate to warrant bans.

Is this pile of cards good enough at fnm? My meta is pretty aggro heavy. Thinking of getting rid of Rachet Bomb atm. Sideboard is undecided.


Creatures [17]
4 Hangarback Walker
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
3 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Wasteland Strangler

Spells [20]
1 Dreadbore
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Ratchet Bomb
4 Relic of Progenitus
1 Slaughter Pact
3 Terminate
1 Thoughtseize

Lands [23]
4Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Mountain
4 Mutavault
4 Sulfurous Springs
2 Swamp

>>49248272
>>49248395
>>49248862
Dredge is now back in its proper place as a format bogeyman. It's the deck that gets to sit back, bide its time, and wait for everyone to forget before stealing a major tournament and shaking up everyone's sideboards again.

The reason it's good for MtG to have a bogeyman like this is that it fights against players solving the format. It helps keep things from becoming stagnant and induces "seasons" in the meta.

The deck isn't abusive enough to warrant anything being banned and WotC is conscious enough about format development to know what sort of asset it represents. They're not going to kill it because it's exactly what they want it to be right now.

>>49249555
Is pretty shit sempai

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Can someone tell me why Bauble is so expensive holy fuck
I'm trying to build Tezzerator with Mishra and 2 cards for 0 feels pretty good desu

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>>49243654

>>49250586
It's an old card from a set that didn't see a lot of print and everyone that wants 1 of them actually wants 4. It's the simplest story of supply and demand.

>>49250608
I don't think you'd ever need four Emperions. At best it's probably two. Don't forget your Sleight of Hands and Serum Visions, so you can make sure to put one on the bottom.

>>49250636
Who wants them?
What does it go in?

>>49250662
Suicide Zoo.

>>49250662
Death's Shadow zoo, and any deck that's playing around with delirium cards too. I mean its not terrible in Jund even to help creep that tarmo bigger, after all its free and cycles.

>>49243068
No it a sideboard card. Get your EDH garbage out of here

>>49250755
Why is everyone so damn obsessed with making Delirium work? The deck is literally a worse version on Jund.

>>49250794
Delirium is not a deck, it's a mechanic. And decks like jund have been trying things out, dryad and traverse are pretty decent cards that might find a home in jund or another deck eventually.

>>49240189
Did people forget slaughter games exists? Or any of the other cards that have this same effect? Why are people discussing it like its gonna start hosing certain decks. It's not.

>>49250868
Its faster and easier to cast for Jund (because jund is already setup to power out BB from lili). It could see some SB play, but I doubt any more than that.

>>49250868
It's faster and costs 1 less. That's pretty significant against combo. Also doesn't target, so ad nauseam can't side board in leyline against it.

>>49250913
>Also doesn't target
um, read much?

>>49250942
My bad. Swear I read someone say it doesn't target

When did aether vial become a 40$ card? Decided to price out a deck I had sitting around and was surprised to see that

>>49251703
According to pricing sites, it was holding at around $10 after the MMA printing, steadily climbed up after Theros/Born of the Gods (Thank Master of Waves), then shot up from $25 to $35 about a month before Origins (Probably G/W CoCo builds), then it climbed up into the $40-45 range after Oath (Eldrazi and Taxes).

>>49252010
Okay, thanks. Wasnt sure if it skyrocketed suddenly or creeped up, bought mine fore around 10 after MMA

>>49250608
How does that card interact wuth eidolon?

>>49246486
>openly admits to standard playing

>>49241919
If heartwood storyteller isn't playable, why would you think this is?

So, I am I awful or is Jeskai Nahiri actually pretty difficult to play?

I'm newer to playing playing modern, but been following it for quite a while and I'm a very mid to low level player. But man, I'm not having much success with this deck. The fringe decks just wreck me.

>>49254603
yeah it's one of the more difficult decks

on top of that, playing control in modern is tough because there is a huge amount of viable decks of which 80% are noninteractive racing decks so you need to predict/guess the meta a bit and then when you succeed and control is good for a month you're instantly the format's new Hitler

Only play control in modern if you're really into it and winrate comes secondary

>>49254666
Not getting ancestral T1 and drawing it later feels so fucking bad..

>>49254725
You'd be surprised how often an AV still comes off suspend if you draw it later; it's another challenge of the deck knowing when you should suspend it; the earlier the better of course, but suspending it on turn 2 means you cant hold up countermagic, or sometimes you're on the draw versus a turn 1 manadork with bolt and AV in hand

Nahiri was practically made with AV in mind though, being able to cycle away late copies

>>49254725
Don't worry friend it could be worse.
>Suspend Visions, pass
>Opponent plays an Eldrazi processor and puts Visions into your yard

>>49254725
>>49254603
could you post your list btw?

>>49254792
that's not THAT bad if they are forced to kill one of their own creatures

>>49254250
Emperion stops Eidolon from damaging you.

>>49250793
it's not a sideboard card in modern because it's not meant to be played in modern. how hard is it to understand? unless you meant a standard sb card, that might work

>>49237401
>naming Batterskull with Runed Halo
Batterskull isn't the thing hurting you, the token is.

>>49255819
It's not the BEST sideboard card but it's not bad against burn, storm ect.

Which card would be playable (but not broken) in Modern if it cost 1 less?

>>49256296
Path, assuming you still needed a plains but didn't need to pay anything

>>49256296
bolt

>>49256296

Doubling Season

>>49243378
What if you just get the artifact early?

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>>49256296
This fucker

>>49256296
Trinisphere

>>49256296
falkenrath marauders

>>49256306
>Path as a free spell instead of costing 1

Jesus

There would be no reason to not run 4 paths in any deck that even touches white

>>49256612
What white deck doesn't run path now?

>>49256654
Ad Naus
Thing Ascension

>>49256693
>Thing Ascension
>deck

>>49256693
I can't see Ad Naus running path just because it's 0. They aren't exactly using all their mana turns 1-4.

>>49256712
It's popular in Japan for some reason

>>49256654
Burn.
Although they have it in the side

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Modern playable perhaps?

>>49257323
Nah

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I have this sudden idea of using 4x Spoils of the Vault as a toolbox for an instant disruption/counter Delver shell, with 4-ofs to mitigate life loss.

Are there any existing decks like that or use Spoils of the Vault outside Ad Nauseam?

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>>49257345
What about this?

>>49257366
Possibly

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Playable in Affinity? Ravager eats something, pay 1 for a token, eat it, pay 1 for a token, eat it, pay 1 for a token.

>>49257524
When it's only interaction is Ravager/overseer I don't think it's quite good enough.

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>>49238555
NICE BAIT, CHEATER.

MTG RULES CLEARLY STATES THAT THERE CAN NOT BE MORE THAN ONE PLAINSWALKER OF THE SAME TYPE IN PLAY.

306.4. If a player controls two or more planeswalkers that share a planeswalker type, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “planeswalker uniqueness rule.” See rule 704.

>>49257785
Are you retarded?

>>49257785
Repeal the 19th amendment you cucks

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Better than Disenchant y/n?

>>49257785
>that player chooses one of them

And there it is, you idiot.

>>49257985
Probably not, Disenchant is much more flexible and can be cast at instant speed.

>>49257985
>sorcery
Cucked

>>49258186
>Green gets two different one mana instant artifact/enchantment destruction spells
>White can't get any
Thanks Wizards

>>49254792
I've fought bant a few times, I don't think they run any. But yeah, that probably sucks.

>>49254794
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/465958#online

>>49254789
AV in your opening feels like bait sometimes too. You'll be inclined to take 5 landers and shit like that if you have AV and possibly get fucked. I take the bait :(

>>49233343
I'm trying to.

Is Death and Taxes too crazy for my first modern deck coming from EDH? Vial/flickerwisp interaction caught my eye. Any advice on building or sideboard cards?

>>49258891
Just use this guy's list:
>>49233393

It has pretty much every interaction you could want in its purest form.

>>49258891
Doesn't DnT require moderate meta knowledge to pilot well? Wouldn't that be pretty difficult for your first deck. Or am I wrong?

>>49256574
Okay, am I the only one seeing the ability to pay a total of 5 mana and pumping out a giant creature?

So question, doing some Zombies playthrough.

Should I stick with my Sultai zombies or modify it to be Grixis?

>>49259586
Why,are you not just playing Dredge?
Let's see your list. I promise we won't laugh hysterically.

I'm guessing you don't understand the mechanics of Magic as most other people.

>>49259550
No. But it's 5 mana in modern. Why not just win the game?

>>49250608
Where's your Tauren Warrior & AR-15?

>>49259615
Don't have my cards on me so I can't get a list out.

Also can't afford Dredge, I'm a budget modern player.

>>49259550
You're not, I had the idea of trying to make it a deck after Twin got banned (because the biggest counter-argument at the time was "Just play twin instead) but I don't have the cash or events to test the deck out.
Also, you can do it for 4 mana using a Mishra's Bauble or a Gitaxian Probe.
The only real issue I can see with the deck without testing it is that the creature you want to drop is a dead draw if you don't have Fold and a card to counter and that Fold is a combo piece that doesn't do much outside the combo, while both parts of the combo in Twin could get value.

Of course, you could probably even make a deck that's purely built around using the card like you would a Breech or Goryo's.

>>49259654
Dropping Emmy on turn 5 (Or possibly 4) seems pretty close to game winning if you ask me.
Also you're acting like all modern decks win in the first 4 turns, ALWAYS.

>>49259683
If you fail to get Emrakul out then you just two-for-one'd yourself. But if you want a more reliable way then go esper Polymorph + Tokens :^)

>>49259683
I'm acting like the decks that don't lose to turn 5 Emmy don't care because they've won and the decks that haven't won will have striped it from your hand and/or just counter your shit.

>>49259662
Without a list, how are we supposed to help you?

And Dredge is around $500. Can you not save $100/month to spend on a hobby?

>>49259691
The difference here is that Fold only demands U, so you can run it in a lot more colour combinations while the esper Polymorph deck

>>49259725
Good to know every opponent is always getting the perfect magical christmas land to ruin my deck. Affinity is shit too because it can be sideboarded for right?

>>49259749
I could but I rather spend on hobbies that are more fun, like Warmachine and Heroclix.

MTG is just a fun side hobby i like to enjoy.

>>49259754
Polymorph only demands U & searches your library for Emrakul instead of requiring it to be in hand. The big difference here is that Fold is instant speed, making it much better in the draw-go shell that it wants.

>>49259754
Make a list, test it out and go win a gp with it, but when you scrub out on day one remember, it's not because the card is just bad, but everyone who beat you lived in magical Christmas land.

>>49259848
>Polymorph only demands U
Well, don't most Poly decks use Lingering Souls to get their tokens? That's why I said esper, plus the anon I replied to specified esper polymorph.

>>49259874
Esper is a good wedge for either shell, but that's beside the point. Fold is instant speed, but it requires Emrakul in hand, while Polymorph searches up Emrakul, but is sorcery speed.

So /tg/ what are you bringing to FNM tonight?

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>>49260850
nothing, because: 1 im poor, 2 im too anxious to stay in a small room filled with people OK!?

ill go back to my cockatrice now...

>>49257366

>needs crew

I'm not really sure about this bud

>>49260850
Jeskai Harbinger because I'm a draw-go control cuck.

>>49260943
This

The crew mechanic single handily made vehicles dead on arrival for anything beyond standard.

>>49259920
Polymorph is completely unplayable because they can just bolt your token in response to fizzle it.

>>49260884
>too anxious
You mean obnoxious, right?

>>49260943
>>49261001
basically this.
i think anything beyond crew 1 maybe 2 is unplayable. lower crews with maybe manlands might be playable depending on the vehicle, but we'll see

>>49261001
I'm hoping for a heavily pushed vehicle with crew 2 for Norin, but otherwise yeah they're pretty meh.

>>49261055
sure, im not a fun guy to be around.
but lemme tell you, obnoxious is people who dont shower, dont pass deodorant, talk loudly, fat fucks who occupy 1.4 tables with their fat arms/legs.
i just prefer to stay away from it, idk how i can be obnoxious when im not there

>>49261058
It doesn't help that almost all vehicles do nothing when they sit around as artifacts and most of them are just nothing but dumb beaters when they turn into creatures.

The only kind of vehicle I can see having any sort of modern play is if it had good utility as an artifact, did something else on top of turning into a creature, or had Crew 0 so affinity could use their Ornithopters to activate them.

>>49261232
Smuggler's Copter is the closest they've gotten to playable. It won't pan out, but they just barely missed it.

If the damage trigger had actually been relevant for Affinity, it might have been worth trying out, but looting isn't amazing for a deck that empties its hand so readily.

>>49261232

Some Elemental Shadow anyone?

Lands (16)
1 Steam Vents
2 Mountain
2 Scalding Tarn
3 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills

Creatures (13)
4 Death's Shadow
4 Nivmagus Elemental
2 Street Wraith
2 Flamekin Harbinger
1 Simian Spirit Guide

Spells (31)
2 Dismember
3 Apostle's Blessing
1 Surgical Extraction
4 Gut Shot
4 Mutagenic Growth
3 Temur Battle Rage
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ground Rift
1 Slaughter Pact

SB: 2 Spellskite
SB: 1 Dismember
SB: 3 Kiln Fiend
SB: 1 Blades of the Valis Vel
SB: 3 Lightning Bolt
SB: 1 Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 Shattering Spree

>>49257366
The new titans (gearhulks) are far more relevant for modern then any vehicle, and even with them I expect maybe only to see one in modern constructed. They look really powerful in standard though. Cataclysm on a stick looks pretty cool for some kind of control deck.

>>49257364
There was a Death's Shadow deck that did once

>>49243434
Seems inefficient, I'd rather calculate probabilties directly.

Also, at least apply LOESS to get a more accurate estimation if you're going for regression prediction, although you'd rather utilise a discrete instead of a continuous distribution.

>>49261658
Which gearhulk were you thinking about being modern viable?

>>49261001

I doubt it will be playable in standard.

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Alrighty. I would like some input on this deck and some suggestions on what to add in and what to take out.

>>49262089
Take out: Everything

Put In: modern cards

>>49262089
diestoaggro.dec

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>>49232523
I wanted to make a cheesy deck around tree of perdition.
The main combo is:
tap tree of perdition interrupt with turn to frog/ovanize, health is set to 1. lightning bolt. gg
then a secondary win condition would be trisk + tree, or demonic pact + harmless offering
you can also harmless offering trisk to make it activate during your opponents upkeep instead of your own.
thoughts?

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>>49262089
(You)

>>49262089
I fail to see how does this deck could beat a turn 1 goblin guide.

>>49262267
Easy! By playing Ral Zarek and bolting it!

>>49262089
Why don't you try actually building the Doubling Season deck instead of super shit friends?

Pro-tip : double Jace, Architect of Thought and tutor out your Emrakrul
Also leaves you room for a Gifts package in three colors

>>49257364
it's better to just play more action. Also, the life loss is still going to be relevant.

>>49262308
I could put in Emmy, as I have all of the Titans in all forms.

>>49262215
I built the deck to specifically go up against my other friends super friends deck.

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>>49262216
I built a TriskPact deck.

>>49259683
>Dropping Emmy on turn 5 (Or possibly 4) seems pretty close to game winning if you ask me.
Dropping emmy on turn 5/4 won't really matter because your opponent can still win the game next turn. Don't even fucking say it's christmasland for infect or affinity to win on turn 6/5.

>>49250868
Instead you use it on yourself. Draw 4 for 1BB. Fun shenanigans with Eternal Scourge.

>>49262349
Super friends vs super friends seems like a boring as fuck match-up.

If you really want to counter his deck, fast aggro fucks up super friends hard

>>49257524
You'll have to build heavily around it. An affinity list with Module would probably play Hangarback and maybe arcbound workers in order to ensure the card does something. Probably too slow, but I wouldn't be surprised if it saw some play as players test it out..

>>49262375
your deck seems a lot more focused than mine.
How does it work for you?

>>49262089
You are going to want ramp instead of garbage like Thrummingbird. Ramp plays well with Oath of Nissa too.

Call of the Gatewatch is too slow, imo.

>>49262449
It's not countering my multiple friends decks. I have burn, humans, bogles. That's not the point. The point is to make a good super friends deck.

>>49262478
It's not bad so far an. Gets off really easy. The only thing I think lacks is the Nevermores and I don't know what I should replace them with.

>>49262089
>>49262490
Also, consider a Nahiri & Emrakul package. Doubling Season into Nahiri is a much faster wincon than like, Venser.

>>49262438c
Technically a draw 8, if you run four scourges. You can cast them when you cast legacy, so technically you drew them

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If you were to try and put together a Modern Heroic build, would you do U/W, Jeskai for Battle Rage, or Bant for Dromoka's Command?

Yes, I know it's gonna get blown out but I got the pieces laying around from Khans/Theros standard and I just wanna try something out for a couple FNMs.

>>49261658
I'm running Darwin chord and I'm probably going to add it as 1 of sideboard card

>>49262740
If I put together a Modern Heroic deck, I would save myself the FNM entry fee and save up towards buying good cards.

There's a point where it's really not worth trying to make the best version of a bad deck, and this is easily past that point.

>>49262438
>>49262730
Ah fuck, I didn't read it very well. Just realized you only draw based on cards exiled from your HAND. Well, still fun with Eternal Scourge.

>>49261232
The cataclysm one, that is

>>49262785
The only cards I'd really need are some shocklands which just go in other decks anyway.

>Noble Hierarch now 70$
Jesus Christ, even Snapcaster is cheaper.

>>49262851
See though, you're going to put the deck together, head on over to your local shop, pay the admission fee, and then lose most or all of your games. It doesn't sound like a fun evening.

>>49262883
And they were reprinted last year. At rare and not mythic.

Hope you own your set !

>>49262883
Where? It's like $55 on eBay.

>>49262883
Don't worry goy

In modern masters 2017 she will be reprinted for all those people that want to get into modern!

However, due to circumstances we will need to bump her up to mythic rare and the msrp of a pack will need to be raised to 20 dollars per pack.

Also this is our announcement that modern masters 2017 will have an EXTREMELY small print run

We hope this will help players get their playsets of Noble Hierarch at an affordable price

-WotC

>>49257366
thinking of maybe lingering souls and bitter blossom tokens crewing copters

>MFW Modern cucks will be sad when this game dies.

Enjoy throwing your income into a dying game.

>>49263699

When the time comes, let go. Nothing lasts forever.

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>>49260850
Would have been Prison, but I'm too bushed.
Thankfully my FLGS runs Saturday Night Modern as well.

>>49257366

I really really like this card. Simple design, aggresively costed, great stats and useful ability. I doubt it will see Modern play buts its very cute.

Ask an undefeated player anything

>>49264159
What knowledge could we glean from someone who's never played the game?

>tfw nothing yet for affinity in Kaladesh.
Not like Affinity needs help, but I'd like some new toys to play with.

>>49264208
Play one game against someone who else is playing their first game, then retire.

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>>49262089

>>49264248
Affinity already has more than enough senpai. There's flex slots in the current decks with tons of cards capable of filling that hole.
What Kaladesh needs is ways to make tezzorator a thing

>>49264462
I wonder what they could do with a Tezzeret to make him worth playing.

>>49258574
green and white do so much of the same shit, and green does the overlapping stuff so much better

>>49264704
make him 3 cost and have him search 1 cost artifacts

>>49264462
Same here. I'm really really hoping that we have another viable artifact deck. However sadly Affinity has a complete and total monopoly on what it means to be a good artifact deck.

>>49264993
>search 1 cost artifacts

You don't want another Signal Pest on turn 4, and the only other option is Springleaf Drum. If it could cheat a CMC 2 artifact out of your library, it would be perfect.

>>49262944
>>49262740
>>49262785

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-heroic-naya-modern

This went 5-0 not too long ago. Not a very good deck but probably ok for FNM if you practice and tweak your list.

>>49265145
its not for affinity. It would be a new deck.

>>49260884
this looks like a gaia post

Did anyone else find manasource's pucatrade video really sketchy?

>>49265770
>most of my public like pucatrade
>accept their sheckels
>realize most of my public now hates pucatrade
>make a video saying how pucatrade is bad and part ways with it

the "professor" is gonna do the same thing tomorrow.
both these shady fucks stood with pucatrade for as long as it could, even after it exploded, until people started complaining about their silence.

>>49265839
They sponsored them, they gave them money or points and then he just completely shit on them. Literally doesn't show any support back.

In the comments he mentions "Things might change in the future". Ya fucking right pucatrade wants anything to do with you now.

I heard some shit about this guy, but man the greed is real.

>>49265968
Who gives a shit about pucatrade?

It's awful

>>49266022
I'm sure a couple people, I don't give a shit if it lives or dies, but the whole thing just seems fucked up to me.

>>49265968
>m-muh trust

it is business, friend. loyalty or w/e has nothing to do with it.
he cant advertise a product that his viewers dislike, it is as simple as that. his viewers have to trust him. he can fuck with his sponsor, not with his clients. grow up kid.
still hate that fat fag though.

>>49263826
I'm proud of your suppression fields but your lack of green disgusts me.

>>49233462
It's seen some play in Turns

>>49262089
Oh no... not you again

>tfw just bought my last two fs goyfs
Oh boy I can't wait to get my rug on

>>49267980
>fs goyfs
based

>>49268078
See, you get it.

Everyone I talk to scoffs and says shit like, when I get my goyfs I'm not gonna skimp out and get the bad art.

Nigga it's superior and it actually costs more

>>49268436
fs goy is the ugliest tho

>>49268546
Embodies the card better with it's ambiguous look.
Also will retain value better

>>49268598
i dont care about value, it just looks cooler.
same with narcomoeba fs.

>>49268598
>will retain value better

That may not actually be true. The better proxies get, the more wary of old Goyfs people might get. Personally, I'd have bought the ones with the stupid little security foil.

>>49268598
>>49268546
It isn't even ambiguous or ugly. Look at a legit one under decent lighting and you'll see the details

>>49267980
fs goyf best goyf


anyone know if grixis delver is worth fooling around with while i save up for goyfs if i want to avoid buying snaps?

>>49270110
play grixis shadow instead. I 6-0d tonight and it was the easiest fnm of my life. none of the games were even close. also, "bolt myself" is a really fun line.

>>49262740
I'd play bogles

>>49270577
i've actually been been running 1 shadow in grixis delver for an hour. nothing like closing out the game with a 12/12.

Are you talking about a tempo shell or just like combo-aggro? I'm wondering if shadow would be reliable enough in conjunction with tasi to turn on stubborn denial. compared with goyf, shadow is still weak to decay but fine against RIP.

>>49262458

>Probably too slow

Affinity doesn't get mana. Affinity has cards. Module wants 3 mana a turn for one counter on one thing. Do you actually think anyone will even try it?

What do you want your curve to be? T1 module t2 hangarback t3 sink your mana into a counter? lmao

>>49271293
>not reading the ability on the module
You don't fucking tap the module for counters, it's so you can pay 1 mana for a 1/1 artifact creature every time you get a counter from other means (i.e. ravager activations, hangarbacks ect.)

>>49270752
I'm playing super aggressive. 16 lands, 4 shadow, 4 kiln fiend, 1 angler. I prefer the extra point of power to the activated ability.

>>49271293
>"Competitive discussion" modern thread
>idiots can't even read the fucking cards they're talking about
Competitive my fucking ass, Spikes are retarded

>>49271471
dang that's gnarly
what kind of interaction are you running?

>>49271551
3 thoughtseize main, 1 side plus 3 inquisition in the side. 4 stubborn denial main. 1 dispel and 1 spellskite side. 4 bolt 2 dismember main, 2 gut shot 2 lavaman side.

>>49271728
sounds pretty sweet. i'd play something like this

>>49271728
You should post list, I'm interested also.

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>>49262398
this is correct

i've been out of magic for awhile now but recently found and reconstructed my casual intruder alarm deck. i want to turn it into a modern deck so i at least have something thats an actual format. heres what i'm thinking.

Dryad Arbor x4
Khalni Garden x4
Yavimaya Coast x3
Karplusan Forest x2
Gruul Turf X2
Simic Growth Chamber x2
Forbidden Orchard x1
-18
Virulent Sliver x4
Bird of Paradise x4
Gemhide Sliver x4
Sprout Swarm x4
Drift of Phantasm x4
Intruder Alarm x3
Presence of Gond x3
Manamorphose x2
Mana Leak x2
Lightning Bolt x2
Essence Warden x2
Slaughter pact x2
Blur Sliver x2
Thought Courier x2
Cunning Sparkmage x1
Harmonic Sliver x1

thoughts?

>>49271915
Label your axes

>>49271915
Was this without taking into account your opponent can cast spells too?
What about listing some other decks in the format too instead of just the two fastest decks?

>>49272071
Do you not know what goldfish means?

>>49271915
You know both decks absolutely can't win turn 1 so you should force your trend line to pass through 1,0.

>>49271914

creatures:
2 gurmag angler
4 street wraith
4 death's shadow
4 kiln fiend
spells:
2 mutagenic growth
4 gitaxian probe
3 thougtseize
4 stubborn denial
4 sleight of hand
3 lightning bolt
4 serum visions
2 dismember
4 temur battle rage
lands:
1 swamp
1 steam vents
1 blood crypt
2 watery grave
4 scalding tarn
4 polluted delta
3 bloodstained mire
sb:
1 thoughtseize
3 inquisition of kozilek
1 dispel
1 surgical extraction
3 young pyromancer
1 grafdigger's cage
1 spellskite
2 gut shot
2 grim lavamancer

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So I bought Sun Titan Control today, how's my list