Worst 40k author I'll start : Gav Thorpe Complete shit

Cz Dunn
There's another one.

If Sandy Mitchell wasn't so lazy is love him more

C. S. Goto.

You know I'm right.

>>49220411
I'm too lazy to google.

Whoever perpetrated The Last Church.

>>49220411

Can I say that I honestly disliked Graham McNeil? I know he's one of the most prolific writers, but his writing is bland and uninspiring. Like, you can see how suddenly everyone gets really stupid in his Horus Heresy books.

That man wrote ONE decent book - Storm of Iron - and he's coasted on it for the rest of his life.

Ben Counter would have an honorary mention, but I like Ben Counter's really gonzo, out-there demon stuff. Daemon World is not a good book, but it's entertaining. Same for his Grey Knights trilogy, which is so stupidly over-the-top it's like junk food.

>>49220411
>>49220525
>>49220661

This kind of high level literary criticism really belongs on >>>/lit/

>>49220537

"Sandy" has all this good but at the same time limited by himself due the copy paste shit he does


Though I do want a Cain book with Eldar

Dan Abnett gets let off the hook for a lot.

>hurr durr Ian Watson's 'Space Marine' isn't in line with 40k lore any more

Well just look at all the stuff in Eisenhorn. In just the first book I remember there being landspeeders everywhere, including in wide civilian use. Abnett seemed to think Betancore's needler was something different to canon, because it punches straight through armour and even destroyed a landspeeder. There's a Rogue Trader who somehow manages to travel through the Warp without a Navigator. Astropaths are portrayed as all-purpose psykers, mixing their role with Sanctioned Psykers.

I liked Eisenhorn, but it had a lot of background inconsistencies with canon lore.

Don't even get me on the Dark Eldar using gunpowder weapons in Iron Snake...

>>49220717
>>49220537
>huehuehue

You'll get b& if you don't use comprehensible English.

>>49220732

Eisenhorn was great, though. Remember, at that time a lot of things weren't set in stone yet.

For instance, the dead Space Marine is recommended to the Primarch of the White Consuls, where it should be Chapter Master.

But he set the groundwork for a lot of things to come. Ravenor and the later Gaunt's Ghosts novels are a lot more focused. (Eisenhorn was my first Black Library novel, and it was great. Malleus, in particular, was a good example of how I expected America to react after 9/11.)

>>49220732
You can travel through the warp without a navigator.

>>49220732
You can travel without navigator. It's just not a good idea on the less stable routes.
The rogue traders in eisenhorn all had navigators.
The one of Eisenhorns bro was heavily augmented and fixed at his station like many servitors.

>>49220411
Graham McNeil. His writings about Chaos are pretty good, but his characterization and dialogue? Jesus fucking Christ. It hurts to read. It's like he's an alien whose understanding of human behavior comes from Mexican soap operas. It's so bad. I couldn't get past 50 pages of Fulgrim.

*shudder*

>>49220411

It varies. Some stuff they do good, others bad. Gav Thorpe should stick to Elves and the Dark Angels... his Raven Guard stuff wasn't very good.

Dan Abnett can write a good story, but he knows fuck all about 40K lore - hover bikes owned by civilians, a servitor-Navigator (I'm pretty sure the Navigator houses would flip if you servitor-ed a member), Inquisitors having to turn up at civilian courts to answer for their methods (what part of answer only to the Emperor wasn't clear?), etc

Graham McNeil... is wank. He seems to view 40K as the marvel universe, and can't stand the idea of 'grey', your character is either super good, has no spots on him, or he's an irredeemable bad guy. Shouldn't be allowed to write 40K at all.

>>49220661
>C. S. Goto

Funny thing is, his last novel was 'alright', and I think people wouldn't mind Space Marines armed with Multi-lasers and backflipping Terminators rising atop Razorbacks so much if the guy hadn't been such as asshole with a "well the BL published it, so I think they know more than you" to the FANS.

>>49220850
>Graham McNeil. His writings about Chaos are pretty good, but his characterization and dialogue? Jesus fucking Christ. It hurts to read. It's like he's an alien whose understanding of human behavior comes from Mexican soap operas. It's so bad. I couldn't get past 50 pages of Fulgrim.

It's because Fulgrim will turn into a bad guy... so McNeil can't handle the idea Fulgrim has any good in him... as we all know, good people never do bad things, so Fulgrim must have been an unknown asshole from the very beginning...

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>>49220672
I liked Mechanicum and the first two of the priests of mars books. The third was 100% shit it went from rouge trader politics and slice of life admec in space to standing around on a robot planet for the entire fucking 250 pages shooting at literally 7 fucking robot dogs.

Every time I think, oh hey, i'll give him a chance and keep reading, he fucks it up. He gets the lore well, and he has mega street creed company wise, but the fact he left to work on league of legends tell you how relevant he really is.

>>49220878
Where is Titanicus on that list?

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>>49220898
gaunts ghosts?

>>49220878
>soul drinkers
>good

At least I didn't have to go far down to see that the list is trash

>>49220748
I really like Eisenhorn, but by 2001 most of the stuff was already set in stone. We were playing 3rd Edition for two years already by that time.
Abnett has always played fast and loose with the lore and he's always been critizised for it. Eisenhorn and Ravenor just have a special place, because they aren't just another instance of Bolterporn, Lasgunporn or the odd Shuriken or Dakkaporn.

>>49220925
>dakkaporn
Man I remember when GW was holding their totally fake black library fan submission and they mentioned that they would love to see a book from the orks perspective.

How would it even work?

>>49220411

Sandy Mitchell is utter trash, completely missing the point of the setting. There is 0, fucking 0 respect for what loose canon there is or any individual act of heroism.

DKoK? Combat druggies, nobody could ACTUALLY stand unflinching in the jaws of death

Inquisitors? Not actually tactically astute, need other people to do that for them

Astartes? Well, they're big and strong, and they have great gear, but they don't actually fight any better than an extremely skilled normal man in hand to hand combat.

Regiments are about a thousand men, in every war it's the PDF doing most of the work. By the way, despite how PDF are mentioned to always suck, they do about as well as guardsmen whenever Cain is with them.

Chaos? Not that big of a deal, really (According to an Inquisitor!) Half the time they're too stupid to even fire their guns, and others are apparently less capable fighters than an underhive gang.

Utter trash.

>>49220961

... you know there have been stories written from an Ork perspective right, like "Evil Sun Rising"?

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>>49220974
Because 40k is always super, super cereal business all the time, no exceptions.

>>49221020

In his defense... that was from Rogue Trader era.

>>49221020
You left off the ridiculous picture.

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>>49221038
I see nothing ridiculous.

>>49220974
I think you are completely missing the point of the Cain novels. Just because Cain thinks something is the case doesn't make it actually true.

>>49221020

But that's silly, but over the top silly. 40k is supposed to be how IN THE FUTURE, everything is BIGGER and BETTER but at the same time UTTER SHIT. It's not a setting about ordinary people, it's a setting about over the top exaggerations meeting each other.

Mitchell either doesn't get this or doesn't give a shit. I'm banking on the latter

ADB, people still try to pretend he's good.

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>>49221059

Poor quality bait.

>>49221056

So Cain "only thinks" that a Guard regiment has about a thousand people? He "only thinks" that the DKoK losing "scores" of their people is a major loss? He "only thinks" the things that Inquisitor Vail says, or annotates his books later with? He "only thinks" that there's but a vague sense of unease around a blank instead of atavistic hatred? He "only thinks" that washing away a couple thousand orks would cause a severe disruption to their attempt to overrun a fairly major planet? He "only thinks" that he held his own against a CSM, hitting the guy twice and not taking a blow in return?

Pull your head out of your ass.

>>49221057
And yet they are still infinitely more readable than Bolter-Pron issue #4,371 or another iteration of Everybody Dies: The Grimdarking

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>>49221083
>>49221057
>>49221083

It sounds like you need some Tana and Sandwiches

>>49221083
For the last part, if you consider the fact that CSM are WS4, mechanically it'd be possible.

Cain would probably be WS4 or possibly even 5 as a character.

>>49220961
>How would it even ork?
FTFY

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>>49221011
Ooooo thanks anon, I skipped looking at all the tie in books from the campaign books.

I personally hold you responsible for delivering me high quality content, and i want to see plenty of apostrophe abbreviations and terrible grammar.

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>>49220961
>>49221165
>>49221182


I got something even better from an Orks perspective

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>>49220974
>>49221057
>>49221083
your one salty dog m80. If you haven't noticed, 40ks cannon shifts around like crazy. Even in codexs they change stuff all the time, really really badly too.

>why do you read them if you don't like them anyway...

>>49221083

Assume it's propaganda?

https://regimental-standard.com/2016/09/07/the-betrayer/

>>49221257


Which part is propaganda? The secret memoirs Cain writes knowing nobody will ever read them, or the Inquisitorial edits made to those?

>>49221214

This is retarded orks should be monstrous creatures hell bent on extermination not the DAKAA LELE LETS TALK LIKE RETARDS.

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>>49221293

I understand its the grimdark future but no fun fags are really starting to bother me on /tg/

>>49220974
>despite how PDF are mentioned to always suck

Where?

>>49221146
Grimderp fags are beyond the help of mere Tana Tea.

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>>49221293
>orks should be monstrous creatures hell bent on extermination

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>>49221293
>orks should be monstrous creatures hell bent on extermination

Then they'd be Chaos Space Marines...

>>49221293
Your "should be" is retarded. We have enough brain damaged shit hell bent on extermination. Also, your arsecanon directly contradicts every scrap of actual canon.

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>>49221293

Oh look its the one guy who likes the "Beast Arises" series

>>49221390
Where did the beast touch you anon?

>>49221403

He picked me up actually while he fed me mutated cow humans.

>>49220743
Nigger, they messed up up a letter and forgot a word, respectively. Apply yourself.

>>49221236

>Missing the point this badly

It's not that it's "inconsistent" with previous lore. I know that 40k is a mass of contradictions. It's that the fundamental premise of 40k, is "Amp it up to 11. No wait, go further than that".

Everything is exaggeratedly over the top. There might not be agreement exactly how it's over the top, but whatever's going on, it's over the top. Mitchell tries to bring things back to reasonable reality, and it just doesn't work.

>>49221335

In Cain's own comments for one.

>Of all the duties being a Commissar dumped in my lap, liaising with the PDF trolls had to be the most onerous.

>>49221327
Underrated post.

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>>49221663

I mean its right

The amount of "lets apply real life logic to 40k threads" are getting to retarded levels

ADB, he clearly doesn't like Space Marines and yet continues to write about them all while inserting his waifus and sjw agenda.

>>49221709

Are you that guy who made an entire thread on atechans /tg/ saying how Black library are full of SJW cucks?

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>>49221709
>sjw agenda

Name ONE, just ONE example.

>>49221723
No.

>>49221732
He inserts girl power everywhere.

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>>49221827
>He inserts girl power everywhere

... was that the Navigator lady that GOT RAPED in the Night Lords trilogy?

Yeah, totally SJW, GRRL POWAH there.

>>49221827
>He inserts girl power everywhere.

Thats a tradition with some writers though.

I think i remember being put off from nWoD because everything in their rulebook was like; SHE put the magazine down, and picked up HER pen. It was in the whole book and i felt like they were trying to forcefully change my brain gender. Or get everyone who played the game to play a female, reguardless of weather they were themselves male or not. In other words, magical realm shit.

>>49221910
Just for the record: EVERY SINGLE BLOODY WoD BOOK, old or new, defaults to female pronouns for gender neutral stuff. Why do people like you even exist?

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>>49220411
The man made the Last Chancers trilogy, it makes him alright in my book.
Best IG novels I've read, slightly above the best Gaunt's Ghost stories.

ADB
>Feminizes Space Marines
>Inserts powerful women everywhere for no reason
>Wears a hat to cover his bald

The worst.

>>49222038
>>Feminizes Space Marines
?

>>49220672
>Daemon World is not a good book, but it's entertaining.
It would have been a lot better if the Word Bearer subplot was edited out

>>49221827
>girl power

What does that even mean?

>>49220852
Thorpe Elves sucked ass. Gav should not be allowed outside 40k.

>>49220974
>but they don't actually fight any better than an extremely skilled normal man in hand to hand combat

Many normal people can reach WS4

>>49223308
>>49221152


Not him, but I thought it was an article of faith that fluff does not equal crunch, otherwise, we get nonsense notions that like the maximum effective range of the weapons they use is like 100 feet tops, to keep in line with how quickly people can rush into close quarters combat on the tabletop.

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>>49221293
>This faggot hasn't read an ork codex

Unless you mean that's how you want them to be.

Then you're having badwrongfun

>>49222307
Fucking this, it felt so unnatural and forced...

>>49223334
That doesn't mean that Space Marines are superior to EVERY normal human.

I'm pretty sure an experienced commisar or a commander could reach a space marine prowess in hand to hand combat.

Especially since Cain was training with Black Templars for a while

>>49223380


Firstly though, it does mean that just because they're equivalent on the board, doesn't mean they should be equivalent in the crunch.

Secondly, SM's have

>Superhuman strength (Amplified even further when in power armor)
>Superhuman speed
>Superhuman reflexes
>Better stamina
>Longer reach
>Better weapons (usually)
>Decades to centuries of both practice and combat experience


I'm pretty sure that an unmodified human, even one who has been a combat veteran, doesn't get to the literally superhuman level. That's like saying that you think a real life, medieval era knight could reach Space Marine prowess in hand to hand combat.

>>49221083
The Ciaphas Cain books are in-universe propaganda, written from the perspective of a character who isn't 100% reliable and edited by another unreliable character. It's possible entire chapters were made-up in universe.

>>49223502

>The Ciaphas Cain books are in-universe propaganda,

This is literally false. They are the private memoirs of an in-universe character, who could easily be mistaken, as well as his editor. (For instance, in the second novel, there's an amberly note that a certain tech-priest who was instrumental in waking up the 'Crons didn't do anything of note after it, despite being assigned to that shrine on Mars I'm blanking on the name on, but the one associated with the Void Dragon)

But they're not propaganda, and I've never seen anything to indicate that they're not accurate to the best of Cain's limited knowledge.

>>49223550
The covers are propaganda

>>49223571

I don't think anything this anon >>49221083 mentioned was information included in the covers.

REMINDER THAT CANON INCONSISTENCIES ALA ABNETT CAN REASONABLY BE PUT DOWN TO THE SHEER FUCKING SIZE OF A GALAXY AND THE UTTER IMPOSSIBILITY OF A TOTAL HOMOGENEITY OF SOCIOTECHNOLOGICAL LEVELS EXISTING ACROSS ITS INCREDIBLY HUGE TIMESPANS AND DISTANCES

THINK ABOUT IT YOU FUCKING PLEBS

>>49221390
>its the one guy who likes the "Beast Arises" series
>one guy
If only that were true.

>>49220974
>but they don't actually fight any better than an extremely skilled normal man in hand to hand combat
[citation needed[
>Half the time they're too stupid to even fire their guns, and others are apparently less capable fighters than an underhive gang
The average Chaos cultist isn't a Space Marine or even a traitor guardsman.

>>49221083
Considering how these books are his in-universe memoirs & then edited by an Inquisitor, did you expect otherwise? Amberly adds footnotes about the things Cain exaggerates or gets wrong all the time.

>>49220411
Whoever the hell wrote Bastion Wars.

I was so mad when I found out Khorsabad -name of his villain - was actually the name of a place in Iraq. He's not the worst writer, but he feels like he's basing far too many things directly off of history, and I hated his Inquisitors, who felt very...Victorian. It was like someone was trying to jam Steampunk into 40k.

>>49221585
I wonder how all those footnotes made by Amberley got missed. She notes that most Guardsmen have a poor impression of the PDF, considering them to be poorly trained & disciplined but also notes that they often fail to give them credit when due.

>>49220878
>Iron Guard isn't even mentioned

Come on, it was a great book. Classic grimdark.

>>49223502
Bullshit. The whole point of the Cain archives is to be different from the propoganda circulated among the general populace - they're supposed to be as unedited as possible and meant for Inquisitors to read.

>>49224326
>as unedited as possible
Somewhere in the 40k galaxy, an Inquisitor just had a good laugh.

>>49223380
Sisters of Battle have been described in short stories to be close, at least in how disciplined they are. If their numbers are equal they might manage to give a Space Marine a run for their money.

But most normal humans suffer from things like fear, actually feeling pain and shock over losing limbs, and being very squishy and able to easily die.

>>49224222


>[citation needed[

That one on Adumbaria, The Traitor's Hand. That first wave has him duel a World Eater for a short while before Jurgen gets him with a Melta. If you look at the blow by blow, he hits the CSM twice, although doesn't do any real damage due to the armor.

It's pretty clear that Cain is the superior hand to hand combatant.

>The average Chaos cultist isn't a Space Marine or even a traitor guardsman.

And apparently, not even as good as a street thug.

>>49224255

I expect Cain to know how many men (within an order of magnitude) were in the regiments he served with, yes. I think he would know about his reaction and the people around him's reaction to Jurgen. There are things that are acceptable error, like how exactly machines around him work, but I wasn't including things like that.

>>49224357
Vail added her annotations, but she went out of her way to not change Cain's words, except adding in things for the sake of background information or skipping parts of little interest.

Even then, you don't need propaganda for the Inquisition.

Best:
Ian Watson (Draco, Imperial Fists)
Guy Haley (IG tanks, Black Templars, Novamarines, Apocalypse novels)
Chris Wraight (Space Wolves, White Scars, Iron Hands)

Good:
Aaron Dembski Bowden (Horus Heresy, Black Templars, Night Lords), though recently I came to dislike many aspects of his work
Dan Abnett (Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Gaunt's Ghosts, Horus Heresy, Iron Snakes, Sabbat Worlds)
Steve Parker (Crimson Fists, Deathwatch)
Steve Lyons (Imperial Guard)
John French (Thousand Sons, Ahriman)
Sandy Mitchell (CAAAAINNNN)

OK:
Anthony Reynolds (Word Bearers)
David Annandale (Yarrick, Salamanders, Raven Guard, White Scars)
Rob Sanders (Carnac, Legion of the Damned)
Matther Farrer (Shira Calpurnia)
George Mann (Raven Guard)

Mediocre, with one or three readable books:
Andy Chambers (Dark Eldar)
Peter Ferehvari (Tau)
Mitch Scanlon (Imperial Guard, Dark Angels)
Gav Thorpe (Eldar, Dark Angels, Horus Heresy)
CZ Dunn (Dark Angels, Grey Knights)
Toby Frost (Imperial Guard)
William King (Space Wolves, Lord Solar Macharius)
Andy Smillie (Flesh Tearers)
Henry Zou (Imperial Guard)
Sarah Cawkwell (Silver Skulls, Red Corsairs, Huron Blackheart)

Bad:
Graham McNeil (Ultramarines, Iron Warriors, Mechanicus, Horus Heresy)
James Swallow (Blood Angels, Sisters of Battle, Horus Heresy)
Johnatan Green (Armageddon)
Nick Kyme (Salamanders, Horus Heresy)
CL Werner (Iron Warriors)

SHIT nigger, what are you DOING:
Ben Counter (Grey Knights, Soul Drinkers, Imperial Fists, Horus Heresy)
C. S. Goto (Blood Ravens)

>>49220878
>Ian Watson still writes books

Absolutely disgusting.

>>49224440
Where's Mark Clapham?

>>49224369
But we can assume Commisars are on the same or similiar level to SoB

>>49224378
As someone who's actually read the book, Cain admits that he stood no chance against the Berzerker & that he'd easily have died in a 1vs1. What he did was taunt, stall & overall try and make his opponent make a mistake and create an opening which one of his allies can take advantage of. The World Eater's the better fighter and could have won had he just shot Cain with his Bolt Pistol.

>>49224378
>not even as good as a street thug
Even a thug has some degree of experience. Chaos Cultists tend to be untrained fanatics whose already poor combat skills are reduced by the lack of any discipline & sanity. Just imagine a drunk or high civilian operating military weapons.

>>49224577
That'd be like saying marines and army officers are on the same level just because they had similar basic training. Commissars are morale officers encouraged to support troops in the thick of the fray but still consider themselves their own men, Sisters of Battle are trained to fight as units and are zealous, but tend to be good at medium to close range. They have different roles on the battlefield and different attitudes towards fighting.

And that's not even taking account of the fact that some Commissars will die quickly as glory-hungry idiots who don't consider survival a high priority, and some sisters will send themselves to the Repentia Squads because they thought the Cannoness had a nice butt for a half a second.

>>49224440
I'm looking forward to Robbie MacNiven's Carcharodon novel. His short stories were pretty good.

>>49224699
>because they thought the Cannoness had a nice butt for a half a second.
I can't blame them

>>49221182
Engine of Mork should also be read, as it's a prequel to Evil Sun Rising.

>>49224577
The average commissar is nowhere near the level of someone like Gaunt, Yarrick or Cain. It's very difficult to use averages when considering outliers.

>>49224655

He admits he stands no chance because "the cold would rapidly sap his strength". He's worried about being outlasted, not outfought.

>>49224752
Not really, he admits from the start that the Berzerker could have just made any other non-chainaxe attack while he was frozen in fear.

>>49224752
Being outlasted is being outfought. Someone's endurance & not tiring out matters plenty in a race.

>>49224856

Which demonstrates that the CSM is a better hand to hand fighter how exactly?

Plus, Cain does a lot of "Well, I was frozen in terror, except I kicked in with the right thing to do at the last second!", and he gets into and out of those scrapes a lot.

>>49224440

>Nick Kyme
>Not SHIT nigger

Kyme can suck a sweaty Salamander ballsack

>>49224887
It shows that the Berzerker had a good chance of killing had years of experience not instinctively reacted to a chainaxe. Also, it's mentioned that Cain would have no chance of outlasting his opponent even without the cold & during the fight, only Jurgen's Melta really did any damage. All the other attacks just bounced off.

>>49224886
>>49224943

>So, for all these other factors that aren't related to skill, Cain couldn't win the fight
>That's why Cain is less skilled than the CSM at hand to hand combat!

>>49224928
His Marines Malevolent shorts are quite good.

>>49225031
>for all these other factors that aren't related to skill
Skill in manipulating people? Other than that, not really. He just played to the opponent's emotions, something a regular space marine might not fall for, in a skirmish which lasted a minute at most. Besides, a World Eater? I thought they were more renown for sheer brutality & anger than skill. I thought it was the Emperor's Children who were the perfectionists & obsessed over skill.

>>49225031
>unrelated to skill
>maintaining endurance
Have you ever ran?

>>49224480
Inquisition war are the old Draco books

>>49221083
>So Cain "only thinks" that a Guard regiment has about a thousand people?
Maybe the ones he's interacted with do.
Tithes vary from planet to planet and with trillions of guardsmen there's a lot of room to say he's only ever served with small regiments.
> He "only thinks" that the DKoK losing "scores" of their people is a major loss?
He may believe that because he knows they're specialists.
>He "only thinks" the things that Inquisitor Vail says, or annotates his books later with?
That's his editor.
>He "only thinks" that there's but a vague sense of unease around a blank instead of atavistic hatred?
Hey, people only feel uneasy around Jurgen.
That means he's right.
>He "only thinks" that washing away a couple thousand orks would cause a severe disruption to their attempt to overrun a fairly major planet?
Which could very well be the truth depending on the ork's baggage trains and methods of movement; establishing a strong foothold in an area where orks can't easily reinforce is a major deal.
>He "only thinks" that he held his own against a CSM, hitting the guy twice and not taking a blow in return?
Well he did.
For all you know it was one of the retard-baby CSM made after the fall, or even one who has felt the passage of 10k years in the warp as a few days.
Space Marines and by default CSM aren't supreme godlike warriors, they're just a couple tiers above most of our best people; they die like anyone else dies and they have their bad days too.

You seem to have this super-duper autistic set-in-stone headcanon narrative that in a universe with hundreds of quadrillions of humans alone and millions of inhabited planets that the small subset of stuff you read once is that way forever for everyone in the setting.

>>49224440
>Best:
>Ian Watson (Draco, Imperial Fists)

lol, picking it literally for the sake of being "old skool" retro. Ian's Watson's stuff is entertaining and he's certainly not a bad writer, but you can see he was just throwing stuff down and seeing what sticks, since this was written ages ago.

It's not a well crafted story by any imagination, and ends with the characters literally and metaphysically "walking off stage" into the webway.

What happened to the Harlequin Man? What about the Eldar controlled the Sensei Knights? Did anyone ever mention the Hydra, the semi-psychic entity which was going to infect all human worlds to create a human hive-mind to deprive Chaos of power source?

Nope! Dead assassin-girlfriend, wander off into Webway, rocks fall, party dies, the end.

>This is high quality writing

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>>49222038
>>Feminizes Space Marines

Every single BL book is YA trash.

>>49220878
>soul drinkers in good tier

At least someone knows the light.

>Ravenor in God tier

For what purpose?

>>49227138
I tried reading Soul Drinkers but lost interest after the first book. What about it did you enjoy exactly?

>>49221059

Agreed, man makes any combat boring as fuck, his characters are all the same and his endings are anticlimactic.

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>>49220878
>the beast arises
>acceptable
Under what notions?
>bastion wars
>heresy
Now you're just fucking with me