BUT YOU CAN CALL ME DANTE THE INQUISITOR. HAS A NICE RING TO

>>49204935
heretical scum get off my board

>>49204935
Need a dispensa!

I enjoyed the prologue a lot more when I looked at it as if it were a Dark Heresy group, with a token edgelord, serious soldier man, and quiet girl doing very little.

>>49204935
Those marching marines tho.

>>49205016
the best part. probably the only good part. Eternal crusade could use these guys for art

>>49204935
I really hope he's gonna be the main character. He's a little bitch, sure, but that means there's room for him to change.
But I think he's gonna be corrupted or something.

>>49205068
I like him.

>>49205055
lmao stop being a contrarian bitch

the prologue was great, no if and buts about it

>>49205223
ok

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>>49204989
this. This guy reminded me so much of some of my players.

>>49204935
Wtf is that thing?

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>>49205345

>>49205374
I don't spend 24/7 here, guilty.
WTF is it?

>>49204935
>smiling

fallen to Slaanesh instantly.

>not smiling
Nurgle

>>49205399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZc6cr6G2E4

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>>49204935
>not 'Harry the Heretic Slayer"

>>49205425
Well.

That was horrible on countless levels.

>>49205583
ok

>>49205780
Well it was, wasn't it?

The acting and characterisation was awful, the animation was janky, his depiction of Terra was lore raping. Half of it was static shots of backgrounds and the other half was mid 90's Mainframe trying to do 40k as a side project.

>>49205838
What part of his depiction of Terra was lore-raping?

You know, there are lot of open air hives. Probably also on Terra, there is nothing written to the contrary AFAIK

>>49205838

>mid 90s mainframe

BEAST WARS 2 WHEN?

>>49205960
CAPTAIN POWER AND THE SOLDIERS OF FUTURE!

Wait, that was 89. Fuck.

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>>49205973
>>49205960

Beast Wars was good shit

Megatron was way better than the one in G1 could even be a nice BBEG in campaign

>>49205959
Almost all of it. Every core rulebook describes it as a fucking smoggy hellshit. Not this banners and parades blue sky haven. Why not set it ANYWHERE ELSE?

>>49205960
We got Beast Machines and BW Neo, sad as it is, the beast era is over... Until a Bayformers variant...

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>>49206023

>Beast Machines

>>49206011
>Trex Megs BBEG
>Yyyyeees
I literally used all his mannnerisms on a polymorphed black dragon BBEG....
No one else at the table knew Beast Wars...

>>49206053
Yeah, it wasn't great. Even if I was the one person alive who liked the Rhinox/Tankor plot.

>>49206023
It looked hellshity to me, although I do not know where you live that you consider that bloody lack of ozone a "clear blue heaven".

Just from my head, both HH a TBA have description of Terra´s weather not being the Beijing all the time all over the planet, although they take place thousands of years before current 40k. Cant remember the weather description from Wolfblade, and Vaults of Terra is still upcoming.

If your source is 3rd Edition rulebook, dont forget its the grimdarkerst piece of fluff ever written. And also about the writeups in rulebooks, everything you have been told is a lie.

>>49204989
What does that make the Inquisitor?

>>49206134
The sitting omnious man.

>>49206080


>Rhinox/Tankor plot

FUCK 40K for second here

That entire arc made bleed from the eyes fucking Rhinox agreeing with megatron? Never in a million years and not to mention unlike Rhinox who was given a choice to stay as tankor. Jetstorm was straight up killed by Blackarcahnia

>>49206113
>dont forget its the grimdarkerst piece of fluff ever written
That's 40k though, isn't it? The tone changes with each writer and with each medium. Heavy metal album cover for the tabletop game, where no one ever needs to be reasonable and there is only war. Progressively more logic and apologising/justifying for inconvenient setting details when you get into the RPGs. Gothic saturday morning cartoon for the computer games.

>>49206192
Yes. And so, pretty much all interpretations (with the exceptions we will not speak of) are valid. Valhallans as described by Sandy Mitchell, Steve Lyones and Cruddace in codex are all true. As is writing about Inquisition by both Abnett and Thorpe, and even your friendly, local, Lexicanum-reading Gm.

So seriously, is realy air with no hellsmog such a big deal?

>>49206169
That's just it, he didn't agree with Megatron. He agreed in principle that disparate ideologies led to conflict. And after millenia of war it was nice to see a Cybertronian on a good side driven to end the madness by any means.

>Jetstorm killed
Now that I don't recall, or at least the way I recall it his death was temporary, because Sparks n sheeit.

>>49206265
If it weren't Terra?
Sure.

>>49205583
the lip syncing seemed pretty bad, but everything else seemed pretty good

>>49206335
It's originally in German and redubbed.

>>49206335
Even the edgy teen Inquisitor...?

>>49206023
He's hunting an aristocrat, it's clearly the upper levels of some hive, it's above the smog layer.

>>49206393
Do you really think 40k doesn't have a shit ton of edgy inquisitors?

>>49204935
This guy is the reason I turned to chaos.

At least mai waifu Slaanesh isn't an arrogant, edgy piece of shit.

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>>49206442

Imagine the type of shit he would be doing to isha.

>>49206424
Probably, but they don't really fit the aesthetic and aren't very fun to watch. There's probably a shit ton of instances where muhreens have walked slowly through a desert as well but that doesn't mean they make for a fun film.

>>49206424
>Teen
No.

>>49206456
Nothing besides tender loving.

>>49206456
>r6
hows that renown going?
>>49206424
>>49206393
Can't really judge a whole character on the prologue, gonna wait for the final verdict when the damn things out.

>>49204935
It wasn't fun the first time, it won't be funny now.

>>49206463
>but they don't really fit the aesthetic

A part of getting over your autism is recognizing Warhammer 40k is a hodge-podge of everything from Gundam, through Mummy to Robocop.
Your narrow definition of the "aesthetic" is lore-breaking and delusional to be frank with you Anon.

>>49206499
>You only ate shit for a few seconds, how do you know it's bad?!

>>49206560
Way to ignore his point.
Saying it's a hodge podge doesn't justify choosing a crap character.

>>49206475
All those inquisitors that die off screen doing stupid shit have to come from somewhere

>>49206560
>Gundam

Tau battlesuits aren't gundam, unless you mean by virtue of gundam inventing "mechs as another military weapon".

>>49204989
Edgy actually feels like one of my players. Exept for he's the last choice for being an inquisitor from group of 6 characters. And I can barely imagine my group letting him do that kind of shit without at least one bitchslap, two facepalms and one "wtf is wrong with you". And that edgy inquisitor guy didn't put group in danger by his edgelord fuckery... yet.

>>49206475
Everyone starts young.

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>>49206581
Thanks anon.

>>49206499
>Can't really judge a whole character on the prologue,

While I don't disagree, and I'd be happy if it was just a bad first impression, I think we got a pretty good indication of what kind of character he's going to be.

Even beyond the edge, his VA was pretty crap. But if I watch it I might watch it in German with subs if it's available anyway.

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>>49206499

Its going good

and if you guys want EDGE

>>49206638
>Tau battlesuits aren't gundam

Tau have a Char/clone in their ranks.
Said Char clone has a custom red robot.
Said Char clone leads the rebellion of a colony.
They win wars by fielding prototypes ino production.
Their new battlesuits can use temporary overdrive boosts.

They still need to get equipment backpacks but they're mostly there.

SIEG ENCLAVES!

>>49206636
>>49206654

You wouldn't make Inquisitor so young.

>>49206722
>See Farsight
>See MUH Animoo
He's Che Guevara you weeb tool.

>>49206742
He looks vaguely 18-24 in a setting that has extended age reversing and cosmetic treatments that can bring you back to that look. Judging by the intro he probably hasn't partaken in any, but with shit like the schola and death worlds I'm not particularly shocked by a younger inquisitor (particularly one who's probably working under a more important inquisitor, which really only puts him a step above an interrogator)

>>49206905
Interrogators work under Inquisitors.
Inquisitors work under Lord Inquisitors.
It isn't a complicated hierarchy.
And no, 40k tech slows aging, it doesn't reverse it until you become a teenager.

If you see this as ok, your choice I guess, but it's certainly not common or a good choice on the creator's part.

He also acts like a bad fanfic character.

You won't let a mid twenties guy be an inquisitor but you'll make a preteen a space marine?

>>49206979

The character is shit and I won't dispute it, but I don't think a young inquisitor is unreasonable. Not every character needs to be an "average example", and I think that goes double for the inquisition. I also don't think it'd be that unfeasible for an inquisitor to have a "pupil" that he might prematurely promote out of favoritism.

For all we know, and I really hope not, edgelord is meant to be a prodigy.

>>49207028
Yes, because the treatments work better on younger initiates.

Also, Apples not Oranges. More at 11.

>>49206715
>posting Zika fat Latina butt
Scrub detected. Pick Rook.

>>49206979
A lot of inquisitors just work alone or outside of lord inquisitors. "Lord Inquisitor" isn't even an official title so much as what someone called an important enough inquisitor. I also vaguely remember a character in a rogue trader adventure who used those age treatments specifically to look like a young fop and throw people off, so there's that

>>49207087
>Prodigy
That is almost certainly the case. Fuck.

Maybe I'd be more open to a teenaged Interrogator if he wasn't a douchenozzle.
But this guy is a teenaged Inquisitor and a barbed douchenozzle.

>>49207144
>Third party got lore fucked
What else is new?

>>49204935
My hope is that the Lord Inquisitor is going to be the main hero in this movie, with the plot revolving around his pet dodecahedron falling to Chaos.

With the way the Inquisitor acts he's obviously vainglorious, very smug and a little bit sadistic... smells a bit like heresy to me.

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>>49207188
Reminder that edgelord isn't the Lord Inquisitor. He's an Inquisitor but pic related is the Lord Inquisitor, and the movie is named for him.

>>49207188
>>49207240
The website says that the young inquisitor is the main character.

>>49207247
That makes me sad.

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>>49207240
Bitch that's Coteaz.

>>49207240
Hey Torquemada, Whadda you say?

>>49207240
It's obviously going to be the story of asshat's ascension after his former mentor gets killed. Probably at that parade.

>>49207272
I am aware of this. It says his name at the bottom of the pic.

>>49207284
I just got back from the Auto de fé!

Thank goodness he's a donut steel so you can take his personality at face value and not an atrocious reinterpretation that shits on everything the original character stood for.

I like my inquisitors with more dignity than this CN "That guy"
Except for him the rest looks good

>>49207377
The atrotious reinterpretation will be the lore.

>>49207377
Lets at least hope that smugshit witnesses a few cosmic horrors, judges a handful of Chaos tainted friends, and becomes an pissed off, bitter old, Emperor-bothering Inquisitor that can't remember what a smile feels like.

>>49207478
Doubt it.

>>49206722

>spacenoids
>ever winning a war

>>49207478
Do like every inquisitor ever?

>>49204935
main character is shit

his scout buddy seems shit

and his stupid waifu is probably going to be shit


so the question is, who gives a stuff?

>>49207285
doubt that the mentor will get killed

I guess the plot will be around the first true tests for the flEDGEeling inquisitor with the assassin and guardsman used as observers from the mentor

>>49204935
>Edgelord

Right because working for an organization with absolute power and the authority to torture and execute anyone it chooses at an time is totally not going to attract some truly vicious sociopaths.

>>49207743
Mentors exist to get killed.

My best hope, if edgelord is the main character, is that he was intended to be an intolerable fuckwit in the trailer and it'll be a "coming of age" story for him where he matures and stops being a fuckwit.

I won't hold my breath.

>>49204989
Even the voice acting fits.

>>49207873

And I suspect the guy he executed turns out to be a rule horrible cunt of a human being and it makes all of you feel stupid for whining about torture before execution.

>B-but that's edgy abd inhumane

You fuck wits whine all the time when shit isn't 'grimdark' enough. Do you truly expect Imperial inquisitors to be nicer people than the enemies they face?

>>49207968
>Thinks its the "torture" we take issue with
It's not his actions, it's his character. His dialogue. His mannerisms.

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>>49207794

I think the problem people have is that he's edgy in the "teenaged fantasy" way instead of edgy in the "organization with absolute power etc etc"

For example, if you've seen Schindler's list I wouldn't consider pic related edgy because he was a vicious sociopath, because of all the context surrounding it. It'd be edgy as fuck, however, if some dipshit kid on 4chan said he did nothing wrong and that he idolized the character.

You obviously will have some crossover (and grimdark mishandled can be pretty edgy), but there's still a difference, at least to me.
I don't know if I explained that well at all though.

>>49208042

A cocky little shit?

>>49208079
More like a Coldsteel.

>>49208076

To sum it up in a way I think explains it better than I did there, the difference to me between the edge factor would be writing the character like Amon Goeth because you wanted to depict a monster, and writing a character like Amon Goeth because you think he'd be super cool and a total badass. Inquisitor edgelord gives me the latter vibe, it's like he's supposed to be a cool character.

I'm more concerned by that Laspistol. How the fuck does it work? Is that a magazine under the barrel? What does the cylinder do?

>>49208137
It's a stubber

>>49208137
It goes bang not pew, it's not a laspistol

>>49208042

>his character
>his dialogue
>his mannerisms

Ok, so you don't like to follow personalities that you don't like. That's fair.

Quit yer bitchin and don't watch it.

>>49208099

If he's supposed to be a cool character, wouldn't you think he was cool?

>>49208076

>instead of edgy in the "organization with absolute power etc etc"

His boss is in the middle of a giant parade where he is wearing fur-trimmed power armor and is surrounded by Imperial Guard and Space Marines.

>>49208197

>Quit yer bitchin and don't watch it.

Oh fuck off.

Most people I've seen complaining about edgelord like most of what they saw, they just don't like edgelord, because he's a poorly written, poorly voiced and badly designed character from what we saw in the trailer. If you think he was well written, well voiced and well designed that's your opinion but I disagree and so do a lot of his detractors, seeing as he's the most shit on part of that trailer by a long shot.

>>49208076
I think you're missing the point. That character's behavior was over the top even to the other characters. If you recall, the guardsman seemed visibly uncomfortable during the whole episode and kept trying to get the Inquisitor (or maybe he's just the Lord Inquisitor's Interrogator) to hurry it up.

>>49208197
>Quit yer bitchin.
No.
The fucking thread OP is saying how shit he is. You're the fucking aberation.

And no, this personality done well might be han solo meets amon goeth. The key phrase here is...
>Done Well
It's written like a fanfic.

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>>49204989
>token edgelord, serious soldier man, and quiet girl

Fucking hell Anon this is my group

>>49208234
You are retarded or bait.

>>49206403
Most certainly.

>>49208234

Yes, and? Perhaps I didn't explain my thoughts well, but a mannerism that evokes "Roman imperial triumph" is very different to me than a mannerism that evokes a teenager grinning with his "nothin personnel kid" attitude while he kneecaps a guy and taunts him.

To me, you could have had a totally different character do the same thing, but with a different mannerism, and it wouldn't be so jarringly bad. Take my example of Amon Goeth. There's a scene where he literally stands on his balcony with a sniper rifle and shoots innocent people for not working hard enough, but it evokes a radically different atmosphere. Both that scene and the scene with edgelord tell you about what sort of person they are as they perform a cruel act.

Maybe you like the sort of attitude the kid depicted, maybe you like that archetype of "cocky smirking braggart", that's fine. The people complaining don't like the mannerism, because it comes off as annoying tryhard instead of "ruthless".

>>49208269
> poorly written

Nope. I could easily see a tool like that being in the Inquisition.

>poorly voiced

Oh yeah, cuz everyone else was so amazingly voiced. It's a fucking fan film, why the fuck would you expect good voice acting?

> badly designed

His design was pretty alright. A bit "sensible" for my 40k tastes but it's fine.

> your opinion
>I'm going to state stuff as fact
>stuff that actually has years of analysis behind it with some pretty solid metrics of measuring quality
>but if you disagree it's an opinion

>>49208374
Are you involved with the video?
Serious question.

>>49208278

That's why I'm hoping for him being irritating to have been intentional. If he was DESIGNED to be shitty and annoying that's very different and, presumably, the narrative will turn out different as a consequence of the writer's awareness of that. I also made this post if it shows better how I feel about him >>49207873

>>49208289

>done well might be han solo meets amon goeth

Where the fuck are you getting this from? His character was nothing like either of those guys or the combination of them.

He's a young shithead in a position of power so loves to fuck with the people he's sent to go fuck with.

>>49208373

What, you took one look at him and didn't think he was a shithead teenager?

>>49208416
He's badly written and badly acted.
What he said >>49208401

>>49208401
>>49208442

What does it matter?

>>49208441
Even if that was the intention, it's a jarring awful character. Even a shithead needs SOMETHING to hook viewers if he is the protagonist.

>>49208457
So that's a yes.

>>49208374

>I'm going to state stuff as fact

Whatever you say, man, I literally said straight in my post "if you think contrary to what I said that's valid but I disagree"

It's pretty fucking obvious "did you like x fictional character" is a subjective discussion, it should go without saying it's a matter of opinion.

>stuff that actually has years of analysis behind it with some pretty solid metrics of measuring quality

The fuck metrics are you talking about? "Studies show this character isn't a dipshit"?

>but if you disagree it's an opinion

Both of what we're saying are opinions you jackass, I never said I was objectively right. Nobody is objectively right, we're talking about if we like a fictional character for christ's sake. I can't believe I need to actually add "in my opinion he was a poorly written, poorly voiced and badly designed character" so that you understand it's an opinion.

>>49208441

No, that was pretty much my first impression, but it got worse as it went on certainly. So? The point is people think "shithead teenager" is an irritating character archetype. If that was on purpose, we'll see how it turns out. I don't mind annoying characters being in something if it's the writer's intent that they're annoying, but if he's as intolerable throughout the movie as he was in that trailer and he's meant to be the protagonist I'd say that would be to the detriment of the movie.

>>49208215
That's the dilemma, isn't it.

>>49208476
> jarring awful character

I didn't find him jarring or awful. Well aside from being a shithead. The guy he was fucking around with could also assumed to be awful so I didn't mind it too much.

>if he is the protagonist.
>protagonists are the sole thing that carries a story and makes it interesting

Homie I loved The Hobbit and could not give a fuck about Bilbo.

>>49208496

Homie, people have been researching characters and what makes a character good/bad for centuries.

There are ways to define is a character is "shit."

Although it's good to see you admitting that your reasons for not liking the character are entirely personal and not really about the "quality" of the character

>>49208627
Yeah, but your opinions are invalid as you're involved with the production.

>>49208215

The writer's intent doesn't always line up with audience opinion. Though like I said before, it's equally possible he was supposed to be annoying and that
A) He'll get character development in which case it could be an interesting arc from cocky smirking teen to somebody with a bit more substance.
B) He'll be an antagonist and people will be glad to see him get his comeuppance for being so annoying.

>>49206777
He's not wrong by implying Tau battlesuits are supposed to be based off japanese mechs. They look like they have their origin from Battletech stuff, which in turn just used stuff from Dougram, Crusher Joe, and Macross.

>>49204989
That... actually makes me like it a whole lot more. It's DH, not modern 40k.. yeah, yeah I can roll with that. Thanks Anon!

>>49208544

>but it got worse as it went on

Why? He was being a shithead to another shithead and I felt like his homies had a bit of "Oh god can we get this over with" going on in the back of their heads.

Overall I enjoyed the scene as it went on and I got to see more of the world and the character's relationships.

>>49208658
Tau are space china.
Battlesuits are terracota warriors.

>>49208682
See >>49208655

>>49208658
>They look like they have their origin from Battletech stuff, which in turn just used stuff from Dougram, Crusher Joe, and Macross.
So not Gundam then.

>>49208682
>>49208627
>>49208653
>Homie, homie, homie
Fuck off retard.

>>49208653
>My opinions are objective, yours are smelly badwrong

>>49208610

No it's not.

If you don't think the character is cool then the character isn't "supposed" to be a cool character.

Unless you somehow came to the conclusion that it's "supposed" to be a good character and you are offended that the creator dare not appease your taste of "cool"

>>49208653

>Homie, people have been researching characters and what makes a character good/bad for centuries.

Ok. Walk me through what makes Donte the Inquisitor a "good" character by this extensive field of research on character quality. I guarantee you even the most universally liked character in fiction (presumably there is one, seeing as you have a metric?) has detractors.

>There are ways to define is a character is "shit."

Like?

>Although it's good to see you admitting that your reasons for not liking the character are entirely personal and not really about the "quality" of the character

My personal reasons for disliking him are a CONSEQUENCE of his qualities, and this is also the stated reason why many others also dislike him and why he keeps getting threads dedicated to shitting on him. If you like him, good for you, but it takes some brass balls for you to whine about me stating my opinion like a fact then pull out this post about your "research on defining if a character is shit" when it's subjective in both directions.

>>49208656

Writer's intent doesn't mean shit.

>>49207285
>>49207743

But the lord Inquisitor IS Cortez

>>49208731

>I don't like how you talk
>Imma whine about it

Homie, you gotta chill homie.

Take a homie pill my homie.

>>49208781
>If you have an opinion on a piece of fiction, that was the intent of the author.
So Harry Potter was supposed to get worse?

>>49208733

They are opinions as much as global warming is an opinion.

>>49208781
>If you don't think the character is cool then the character isn't "supposed" to be a cool character.

In the context of my statement I meant supposed to as in "I cooked the meal and it was supposed to taste good, I'm sorry you didn't like it." Not "I suppose this meal tastes bad."

If a chef cooks you a bad meal the meal it's still "supposed to" taste good. And if he wanted you to have a shitty meal, intentionally cooked it badly, but you liked it anyway, the meal was still "supposed to" taste bad.

"Supposed to" as I said it depends on the intent of the creator.

>>49208812
So?

>>49208653
The fact that such a simple concept has been researched for centuries and actual reception of characters has flied straight into the face of it on regular occasion means it's just a shitty opinion.

>>49208781
I don't think original Dante is cool, I think he's a massive mary sue. fite me 1v1 irl on ranked Leage.

>>49208847
Back up your point then as >>49208785 asks.

>>49208805
Fuck off, Barthes. You were the worst thing to happen to literary criticism, and criticism in general. Hell, even academia in general.

>>49208785
>Inquisitor a "good" character

He's a believable person who (from what has been made apparent from the setting) could easily exist in the world.

Boom. Good.

>Like?

They aren't believable in the setting.

Like a pacifist Inquisitor who has existed for centuries and never killed anybody. That would be a huge stretch unless they are going for a huge twist or the whole plot revolves around this track record.

Or a Lord Inquisitor who very visibly worships chaos and everyone knows it but they are cool with it. Another stretch unless you make the Inquisitor operate in an extremely specific area.

>>49208929
That's just more opinions, where are the facts and metrics?

>>49208841
>If you have an opinion on a piece of fiction, that was the intent of the author.

wut

>>49208805

It does when speculating on how things will turn out in the future.

If you know for a fact the writer's intent was for him to be annoying, then (unless the writer is retarded) he probably did it for a reason, which will become clear in the full movie. I'm all for annoying characters that get character development or are meant to be antagonists that you root against. If his intent wasn't for him to be annoying, then he did it by accident (or personally doesn't think the character is annoying) and the character is liable to continue to behave that way.

NEWSFLASH

>NEWSFLASH

This is originally an GERMAN voiced production.

The ENGLISH trailer version was a rushed last-second effort that was voiced by the german CREW and English speaking FRIENDS. Not ACTORS.

99% of the threads concerns are now
invalidated.

This includes the fucking SUBTITLES.

Germany has a surprising low English literacy, and twice as less that number when you account for INTEREST in English. (MANY young germans study English for YEARS to get into universitets, but don't WANT to speak it and actively dislike the language)


CAPS.

99% of the threads concerns are now invalidated.


Go back to bitching about Chaos Space Marine drop pods you footslogging idiots.

>>49208971
Your words >>49208781

>>49208859

>cool is as easy to measure as flavor

Fuck even flavor is subjective as all fuck.

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>>49208970
His opinions are facts and metrics anon.

>>49205583
You're obviously just saying that to be contrarian/fit in with the contrarians here.
A single guy made that entire thing and much more by himself, without a budget, on his spare time, and it looks better than some professional animated studio films.

>>49208982
Addendum:

There will be a fully funded professional ENGLISH voice cast (drawn from known European English voice actors) once the movie is finalized.


Shut the fuck up everyone and fucking READ before you whine.

>>49208867

Or a lot of people don't actually study shit too hard when they go out to create a thing?

Like I doubt that the creators of the fan film have done extensive research into what makes a character "great."

They were probably like "yeah and the Inquisitor is going to be like X" and had a good time with it.

>>49208982
Even if you just assume badly acted lines, the lines were translated from an original script.

>>49208982

>99% of the threads concerns are now invalidated.

No, because 99% of the thread are going to either watch it in English or with English subtitles. How, exactly, are concerns over the product we're obviously going to consume invalidated by the fact that there's possibly a superior product exclusively in German?

>>49209014
Nope, it's shit.

>>49208970

Why would a person who clearly would not exist in a setting that they are existing in be considered "good"?

>>49208982
>You don't get to call shit dubs shit because it was done by people who are shit at it.
Eat a bag of dicks.

>>49208981

If you are feeling negative about it then sure.

They showed me cool 40k stuff with some characters and a plotline. I'm happy

>>49209048
Where are your facts and metrics though?

>>49208990

I was making absolutely no argument over objectivity or measurement. I was saying "Supposed to" meant the impression the writer was hoping to evoke in his audience.

Something that's "supposed to" be enjoyable isn't necessarily enjoyable. Have you never heard the phrase "It wasn't supposed to turn out that way"? The fact it did turn out that way doesn't mean that was what was "supposed to" have happened.

But this is turning into a pedantic argument that's hardly related to the actual movie so let's cut it here.

>>49208982
>>49209015
None of this changes the fact that the character is edgy and annoying, which is what 99% of the complaining in this thread is about.

>>49208988

No they are not.

>>49209024
>>49209025

>Addendum:

>There will be a fully funded professional ENGLISH voice cast (drawn from known European English voice actors) once the movie is finalized.


>Shut the fuck up everyone and fucking READ before you whine.

The CREW translated the script on their own, as a side-project.

Note: The Original german Inquisitor, is also "high and mighty" edgy, but he sounds truly disgusted instead of sneering teenager.

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>>49209039

>>49209039
Nope, it isn't. You're not fooling anybody.

>>49209025
>are concerns over the product we're obviously going to consume for free

Make sure to note that you are consuming it for free when you get all high and mighty about "voice acting quality"

>>49209085

Again.

A fucking gain.

A ragtag bunch of german-speaking production people literally scrabbled together the lines from the limited English vocabulary they have and tried to make a dramatic scene out of it.

WATCH IT IN GERMAN
WATCH IT IN GERMAN
WATCH IT IN GERMAN
WATCH IT IN GERMAN

>>49209079
>the impression the writer was hoping to evoke in his audience

Yeah, and the writer is hoping to invoke "this guy is an inquisitor who acts this way"

And the writer was successful.

>>49209099

Well in that case I'm excited for the fully funded one, I think it was ill advised for them to release a badly funded translation/VA trailer and not expect people to base their opinions on it.

>>49209052
It's not the end result.

You're watching an intentionally "lessened" alpha product. You can't have an opinion on the final product once the full production cycle has run it's course with professional voice acting and native-English script translation

>>49204935
I don't get the hate for the guy, I rather like that he is not generic Inquisitor #782

>>49209150
Come on dude.

They knew how much the English 40k world was interest in this project.

Yes they could have done a better amateur job. But still.. COME ON. You really think they could have just released a german trailer and COMPLETELY skip an english version ?

>>49209103
It's like people forgot the adage "Ironic shitposting is still shitposting."

>>49209099
But it's still translated from an original transcript.

This isn't transliterated from Japanes to English. It's German to English. We are getting the essence of the story.

>>49209117

I'm going to call a spade a spade, whether it's free or not.

>>49209170
In the german trailer he IS "Generic *young* inquisitor"

For good or bad.

>>49205068
you are not supposed to spill blood on terra

he does not only NOT give a fuck

he pulls out his fucking knife to kill the heretic

>>49209103
>>49209105
No really, I hate it.

>>49209189
Translators are not working on this.

It's literal german-born film crews (or the digital equivalent crew) of people with different English educator backgrounds trying to make a scene dramatic in a different language.

>>49209190

>I'm going to inflate my ego by casting down judgement for I am an arbiter of truth unmoved by pity, remorse, or context

>>49209189
Also; The essence of the story isn't what's under critique here in this thread.

>>49209226
I never implied professional translators.
Read it again, sam.

>>49209200
Inquisitor

>>49209135
Where's the German trailer? Link? Youtube account only seems to have an English one...

>>49209200
>you are not supposed to spill blood on terra
I've heard this a lot recently, where is it from?

Also considering that Terra is canonically 40k Game of Thrones it must be just about the most broken rule in the Imperium.

>>49209256

>they aren't professional translators
>I'm going to hold them to high standards anyway
>because I hate it when people have fun and want to share their passion

>>49209243
A protagonist isn't part of the essence of the story?

Can someone tell me what the fuck those balloons carrying the procession were? They seem stupid and impractical and give off an orky vibe if anything.

>>49209256

>>49209243

>>49209271
>Be nice, we worked hard on it.
Ok, so expect criticism.

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>all this talk of voice acting and characterisation and shit
Personally I just wanted to see some nicely rendered gothicness in motion and I was very happy with what I got.

>>49209279

Yeah, the balloons were pretty lame. I think that's more "artistic licence"

>>49209281
See >>49209275

>>49209136

Wow what a simplistic way to look at it, anon.

>and the writer is hoping to invoke

First, unless he went on record stating his intent, we're not sure what he was going for.

Second

>"this guy is an inquisitor who acts this way"

When people write a story, at least one that isn't garbage, they generally introduce elements for a reason, not "just because". If you include "an inquisitor who acts this way" it should be to work towards some sort of theme or narrative, otherwise it's a disjointed mess. If he's supposed to be a protagonist, which I've heard people say he might be in this thread, you should have more in mind than "this guy is an inquisitor who acts this way."

And additionally, what's "this way"? Is this way "cocksure and arrogant"? Is this way "Ruthless and cold"? Whenever anybody writes a character, even a shitty writer, they have an idea in their head that they're trying to evoke, and sometimes it doesn't come across. Sometimes people dislike characters you wrote intending for people to support. Sometimes people love your antagonist more than your protag and wish they'd actually win.

>>49208412
Or he was designed to be irritating and he turns out to be a disposable patsy in the Lord Inquisitor's grand scheme.

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>>49209302
...oh, and the music surprised me with how good it was too.

>>49209300

>it's criticism
>so I'm going to be a shithead about this fun thing the artists are passionate about
>because I want people to care about the words that I say and to pay attention to me

>>49209307
ie, they couldn't figure how to make antigrav effects

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>Rogal Alphariusfucking Dorn is not amused by current levels of autism

why dont you go and watch Hunger games or something

>>49209326

>First, unless he went on record stating his intent
>We have no idea if the Inquisitor he put in his story is actually supposed to be an Inquisitor

I just...what?

> it should be to work towards some sort of theme or narrative

The theme is "human beings inhabit this world" and the narrative is "this human being that inhabits this world is doing this stuff"

> what's "this way"

"I'm going to talk shit about this guy and fuck with him and then kill him."

>>49209334
>Anything but glowing praise is being a shithead
Grow thicker skin, get better actors, hire a writer.

>>49209307
So many people have a boner for Krieg. World War 1 is a huge aesthetic and war balloons are a thing.

>>49209332
It was by same guy who made Ultramarines Soundtrack, probably only good thing on whole wreck. I hope Prologue OST would be released in some form.

>>49209344

I can't see how "they can't make antigrav" makes any sense.

All you need to do is see the thing floating with some glowy engines and you are done. Like, fuck, there is shit everywhere with 40k that shows anti-grav.

>>49209360
>Anything but glowing praise is being a shithead

Straaaaaaaaaaaaw maaaaaaaaaaaaaan~~~~

>>49209173
>and COMPLETELY skip an english version ?

I think it would have ultimately been better for their product image than doing what they did and providing a misleading trailer that makes it sound worse than the potential end result will be, to be honest.

I think most people would completely understand "this is a low budget project and we haven't been able to afford translation and voice acting that meets our standards yet, but it will come." instead of releasing something that's below their intended standards as a trailer, and being at all surprised when people base their opinions of what's to come on the trailer.

Still, like I said I'm actually quite glad to hear they're funding a better version, I'm just saying nobody should be surprised that people assume that the voice acting and translation in the trailer would be the same as in the movie. I've never heard of another movie that released a trailer and an end result with completely different VA, it's definitely not a given.

>>49209362

Ahh I can see this.

>>49209237

>I'm shocked and appalled that people have opinions.

>>49209362
They look like more like they're supposed to be decoration for the parade than not!zeppelins.

>>49209380
Then why the shoddy looking balloons?

>>49209426

Well at least you admit that your "criticism" is entirely subjective and based off of your personal taste instead of any pretense of quality.

>>49208374
>Oh yeah, cuz everyone else was so amazingly voiced. It's a fucking fan film, why the fuck would you expect good voice acting?

Because everything else was done so well, it just seems jarringly out of place. Mostly it's disappointing because there are many voice actors that have professional setups and great range who'd probably jump at the chance for exposure (even offering it to the DBZ Abridged crew or LittleKuribo or something would produce good results).

I spoke with the creator briefly about the voice acting cast about two years ago and he insisted he'd found a good selection. I recall the Inquisitor's ship captain will be Scottish.

I'm hoping it's placeholder dialogue just to plaster over the not-lined-up lip syncing.

>>49209431

40k strikes me as a place where their decorations are inspired by war.

>>49209397
Not really, I stated its crap and that triggered you.

>>49209357

>is actually supposed to be an Inquisitor

We're not talking about if he's supposed to be an inquisitor, we're talking about if he's supposed to be annoying.

>The theme is "human beings inhabit this world" and the narrative is "this human being that inhabits this world is doing this stuff"

>"I'm going to talk shit about this guy and fuck with him and then kill him."

You must write some uninspired garbage if you think a writer's intent is supposed to be this surface level. Or you're being deliberately obtuse right now.

>>49209449

Because the artist liked how they looked?

It's kind of a big motivation when artists are working for pretty much free.

>>49208079

That's what I like so much about the character. He IS a cocky little shit. It's easy to have these straitlaced serious-face-all-the-time Inquisitors but at the same time, there's nothing preventing a younger Inquisitor from being a cocky little shit. He wields extraordinary power and he enjoys executing that power. Hell, even Eisenhorn gets enjoyment out of some of his kills.

Leave the whole "stoic warrior-monk" archetype for the Astartes. Inquisitors can be anything, including Lord Edge, and I love that we're seeing something different to the stereotype.

>>49209453
See about a thread ago.

>>49209453

Are you this dipshit? >>49208653

>>49209355
>dorn with modern HJ cut
what is this hairesy?

>>49209486
But they look crap, not just because it isn't very 40k, but they looked unfinished and bad compared to everything else.

>>49209464

I just figured the guy was primarily a visual dude and voice acting was not his forte.

> he insisted he'd found a good selection

I'd be willing to put down a bit of money to say that he just said that because a fan was looking for answers.

>>49209472
>it's not a straw man! I'm psychic

Obviously you don't know how a straw man works, let me provide you this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGZkCPo7tC0

I hope you like hipsters.

>>49208929

>He's a believable person who (from what has been made apparent from the setting) could easily exist in the world.

>Boom. Good.

Are you serious? This is the consequence of centuries of objective research and metrics on what constitutes a good character?

Ok, by that pants on head retarded metric of "he could exist in that fictional universe" he's a fantastic character. Most people, when discussing characters they like or dislike, take their analysis further and discuss the actual qualities of the character and their behavior because they're not braindead.

>>49209493
Bait?

>>49209542
Dude, it's shit. Deal with it.
My opinion isn't a strawman because it hurt your feewings.

>>49209402
I think they would have come to your decision if they weren't a bunch of rag-tag amateurs and professional CGI workers drawn from different backgrounds.

Good or bad, they provided what they though the vast masses wanted.


Imagine "Mount & Blade" (game) but with actual talent, experience and drive behind it. "Amateurs" can truly produce some amazing things.

>>49209550

Nope. I genuinely like something that you happen not to.

>>49209478
>we're talking about if he's supposed to be annoying.

And I'm saying that him being annoying is completely irrelevant due to the fact that he is a believable person combined with my own personal hunch that he isn't going to be someone we are completely glued too without a cool supporting cast.

>if you think a writer's intent is supposed to be this surface level
>all writers create things to explore THEMES and BIG PICTURES and to DEFINE HUMANITY

Get your head out of your ass. People write things because they want to write them.

>>49209520
They look fine.

>>49209503

Are you?

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>>49209517

>>49209571

w-wut?

Your opinion isn't the strawman.

Your strawman is the strawman.

Did you watch the video? Hipster aside it is quite informative and it could help you learn how to talk with people and actually form arguments that aren't just you throwing a tantrum.

>>49206113

Lets also not forget that per Eisenhorn the Imperium does have weather-manipulation technology, and if there's anywhere I can see that happening, it's Terra. Not to mention there's a giant parade with Astartes (including Dreads which don't come out often) and an incredibly high ranking Imperial official occurring at the same time AND it's in a district with tons of aristocrats.

>>49208296
This is all the groups, also the girl in my group was a priest.

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>>49209718

Wouldn't terraforming tech be one of the most common and well-understood technologies in the Imperium anyway?

It's literally the tech that makes inhabiting planets possible.

>>49209762
>well-understood

lol no

They probably have some kind of building that the Mechanicus has a vague blueprint for that they slap down on a planet.

Also iirc most of the Imperium are a bunch of planets that were "reconquered" after humans spread across the galaxy. Not sure how much they actively go out and colonize worlds that don't already have a hospitable environment.

>>49209762
Wasn't the terraforming done in the Dark Age of Technology, by and large.

>>49209601

>And I'm saying that him being annoying is completely irrelevant

No, actually, it isn't. There's a reason why I can't write this story and get it published:
"Jim lives on earth, and Jim is aggressive. Jim shot the man. The man died. Jim holstered his pistol."
By your metric, Jim is an excellent character. Aggressive people on earth? Check, totally believable. Aggressive person acted aggressive? Wow! What a great character. Yet most people would say Jim is a shallow, shitty character in a shallow, shitty story, because "person on x does y" is not compelling on its own. It DOES need a bigger picture, regardless of whether you're such a braindead fuckwit to never catch it. Practically all but the most uninspired tripe, like my example, have a bigger picture of some sort. Some sort of intent on the part of the writer. The thing the writer wanted to write.

Now, if you want to assume that this movie is at the very bottom tier of all writing, "person on x does y that's all there is to it, wrap it up folks" that's good for you, but I'm just going to assume the writer had at least a modicum of human intelligence and creativity and wrote a cohesive plot with characters he intended to give a certain impression. No, themes don't need to "define humanity", I'm not saying it needs to be some pretentious "the movie is really about the human condition", I'm saying if the writer wasn't a total sperg he has some conception of what Donte the inquisitor is supposed to evoke to the audience beyond your totally superficial reading of it.

I'm just curious by the way, have you ever GM'd something before? Or made a character in a game as a PC? Even badly I would just assume anybody who's ever written any character whatesoever has an understanding of "This is the kind of character I was going for." rather than "my character does y just because"

>>49206134
...The Inquisitor.

>>49209824
> Jim is an excellent character.

Uhhhhhhhhh wut? You might want to double check what I said again homie.

>>49209824

>Yet most people would say Jim is a shallow, shitty character in a shallow, shitty story

Nooooo. Maybe in your pretentious /lit/ bookclub or something but most people would say "okay" and that story would barely register with them at all. And if you asked them their opinion on it they'd probably say "It wasn't very interesting" or maybe "It was alright" if they default to polite.

>>49209637

>Dorn has good trigger discipline

Best Primarch.

>>49209863

>>49208929

>He's a believable person who (from what has been made apparent from the setting) could easily exist in the world.

>Boom. Good.

An aggressive man on earth? I can believe that, homie.

>>49209899

Oh for christ's sake, do you want me to rephrase to "most people would think"?

>and that story would barely register with them at all.

So it's mediocre?
If you were to rate my story would you give it a 5/10 or something?
What is a 1/10 story to you?

>>49209911

>excellent = good

Is english your second language? I can understand the confusion since people tend to use them interchangeably when talking casually with friends and stuff.

>>49209952
> "most people would think"

They wouldn't even think that dude. The only people who would think that are pretentious fucks with their heads up their own assholes who are all "I studied the literature for 5 whole hours just so I can go around and call other people's stuff shit while never creating anything myself. Cuz lol criticism"

Most people wouldn't get offended by it.

So actually yeah I'd personally give it 5/10. It had stuff and it all made sense, I just wasn't wowed by it. I wouldn't advise it to anyone and I probably wouldn't read it again.

1/10 would need to piss me off. Like aforementioned 40k stories where the main characters would not work in the setting.

>>49209985

Oh so you're being a pedant now because you refuse to admit your "objective metric for a good character devised over centuries of research" is actually not useful at all, and it's only an objective metric for "a character" period, because whether you think a character is good or bad is subjective in the first place.

Somehow you've trailed me along in this retarded discussion for this long but I'm gonna just concede.

Let's both just say you won and you're completely right. Donte is a good character, objectively. I'm sorry, anon.

>>49210039

>1/10 would need to piss me off.

Is that what it takes, then?

So why is people being pissed off at the inquisitor guy not an acceptable reason? Is breaking your suspension of disbelief the single only way to annoy you?

>>49210061
>Let's both just say you won and you're completely right. Donte is a good character, objectively. I'm sorry, anon.


:D

>>49210090

There is a difference between

"I don't like this because the character pisses me off"

and

"I don't like this because the character is a bad character"

>>49210124

Most people are saying they don't like the inquisitor because he pisses them off.

If we work within the framework of
Good character = consistent with setting
Bad character = breaks suspension of disbelief

And we leave it solely at that metric, with no additional criteria, then ok. By that definition of a good and a bad character I agree with you, the inquisitor is not a bad character.

>>49210172

I'll clarify I didn't mean to say "most people don't like him", simply "Most people who don't like him don't like him because he pisses them off."

>>49207303
Auto de fete? What's that?!

>>49210172
>Most people are saying they don't like the inquisitor because he pisses them off.


Not really the people that I've been arguing with

>>49208982
You are full of shit.

t. German

>>49210244

In almost any discussion you're going to have where someone says "x fictional person is a bad character" Just pretend that they said "in my opinion" because that's what it is.

I've never heard of people using this metric that consists solely on whether it broke your suspension of disbelief. That is certainly a contributing factor towards a good or bad character, but I don't see why it should be the only one. They might provide other evidence. You might say "The protagonist of this story was a bad character because he was annoying, irresponsible, and made the entire story unpleasant to watch as a consequence of his actions [in my opinion]. I didn't enjoy this story because of the way he behaved." Then you could counter with [In my opinion] his irresponsible nature was a characteristic that made him interesting and made me more invested in the story, therefore he's a good character."

Much like a good or a bad meal, it depends on who sampled it.

These discussions aren't supposed to be pretentious /lit/ book club shit, it's a dialogue. Some people like to share opinions. Personally I don't understand why wanting more depth than "character is consistent with setting" is pretentious or why it's "snobby" to think a story like Jim's provided above is bad by virtue of being uninteresting.

Most people don't watch / read things to not be interested. I seriously can't conceive why anybody would WANT to read a story like the Jim example. I can't imagine, if it was 200 pages of a similar quality - consistent, understandable, but completely dull - wouldn't be an unpleasant experience.

>>49210423

>Just pretend that they said "in my opinion" because that's what it is.

Nah

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>>49210458

If you're getting into discussions on fiction expecting objectivity and clear, well-defined metrics which are universally understood by all people discussing it you're an idiot, but whatever floats your boat.

>>49209517

This is a statue made by a Man who has not only never seen Dorn in the flesh, but the only surviving source he was allowed to access as a reference was the 500 year old imperfectly replicated copy of a 1500 year old holoplay that was itself based upon a transcription of a third-hand replicate of the works of a Rememberancer who once took a few poor-quality picts aboard the Phalanx.

Of course it's not going to be 100% accurate.

>>49210498
>If you're getting into discussions on fiction expecting objectivity and clear, well-defined metrics which are universally understood by all people discussing

Nah, I'm not into that.

>>49210231
It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway.

>>49208982
This is literal absolute bollocks

The creaters themselves stated that this WASN'T originally in German

Stop spreading bullshit to make the shit you like better

>>49213583
It should have been then. Because they're clearly shit at making good English dialogue.

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>>49209903
Sure he was, pumpkin.

>>49205583

Have faith, Word Bearer.

>>49213583

>fanmade film has poor translation and voice acting
>this surprises people enough to make them buttmad