MTG Modern General

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Tiers are usage based blah blah blah

>>49202470
This is what we get because WotC couldn't make the Zendi land cycle legendary.
They have names for fucks sake

>>49202476
At the very least copy-paste the whole sentence. It's not even funny man

>LSV explicitly states that he's going to play Valakut at Worlds
>He plays Abzan at Worlds
>No one bats an eyelash at him being a lying piece of shit

>>49203040
It was a ruse. The hands to keep against Valakut are different than the ones to keep against Medium Abzan. Against Valakut, it's okay to keep fragile hands ad long as they get you there, since they lack interaction. Against Medium Abzan, you better hope Thoughtseize doesn't lose you the game.

>>49203068
So basically, LSV is a lying faggot. If Ari Lax had done that, people would be all over it.

>>49203214
Can we agree they're both shit people?

How budget can a deck be while still being good? I really want to get into modern and jund seems awesome, but between the tarmogoyf, liliana, and dark confidant, there's no way I could afford it. Are there any decent replacements for those cards? Or am I just better off building a cheap infect deck, since that seems more realistic?

>>49203837
Jund is a pile of the best cards in the best colours. Sure you can find a replacement for the cards you listed but they are nowhere near the efficiency or power. You'll end up with an incredibly unsynergistic deck and many cards will be too underwhelming.
I suggest build a cheaper deck and penny pinch for jund. Any cheaper deck is a good starting point save for affinity.

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>>49202470
>>49202470

>pic related breaks Modern

4x Hangarback Walker
4x Experiment One
4x Servant of the Scale
4x Strangleroot Geist
4x Avatar of the Resolute
4x Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
3x Garruk Wildspeaker
3x Dismember

4x Hardened Scales
4x Animation Module

2x Treetop Village
2x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
18x Forest


:^)

>>49204069
Here's your (you)

>>49203214
>>49203760
All pros do that. It's part of the game and getting butthurt over this is childish.

>>49203040

What do you mean by "explicitly states"? He told it publicly beforehand and then showed up with a different deck? Before each match he would say "lol, I'm playing Valakut", while playing an Abzan deck?

Either way, you're not supposed to ask or expect your opponent to say which deck he is playing in a competitive environment with such high stakes. If you know for a fact what your opponent is playing THEN you adjust accordingly.

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>>49204060
Damn, ok. Budgety infect it is then

>>49204474
I'd suggest budget Grixis actually. You need terminates and kommands plus some other creatures for jund. It also shares some of the colours so you're getting some of the lands for jund. Realistically you're only out green stuff and some black stuff then. That's a lot better than getting infect, while has all ofno cards jund uses.
Plus all the Grixis stuff that jund doesn't use also is just permanently good stuff that will always see some play

I've been looking into getting into MtG and I would like to play Modern. What competitive deck could I get with 40-50$?

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P L A T I N U M

E M P E R I O N

>>49205085
There really isn't one
Best you could do for that price range would probably be some older Red Deck wins type list with like hellspark elementals and unearth effect type stuff

>>49205085
For that amount of dough you can get inner and outer sleeves, a deckbox and a nice set of dice

>>49204916
Grixis seems fun, any specific budget lists I should look at?

>>49205339
>40-50$
>inner and outer sleeves, a deckbox and a nice set of dice
Doubtful.

>>49205116
>if Emperion is the only artifact in your deck, the card basically reads "Sorcery 3R: put Platinum Emperion from your deck to the battlefield."

I can already see the Shape Anew + Madcap Experiment memes coming.

>>49203214
Lsv said in grand prix indy coverage he would probably end up playing abzan.

>>49203837
Someone called the chinamen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70cbNJrs2Xw

Do you guys think that Storm Ascension could do well competitively at a GP? From what I can tell, none of the big lists are running the hate for it. Granted things like rest in peace and Graf diggers cage stop wins with past in Flames, but that definitely doesn't stop the deck. What do yall think?

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Is Abomination of Gudul a good card? Pic related.

>>49205116
That's pretty cool and I would suspect that it would be a pretty solid package to include in Rx control and midrange decks, but I think it might be more powerful to run something like Burrenton Forge-Tender with something like Blightsteel or Leviathan. Unfortunately there's not quite an Emrakul equivalent for artifacts but it's still a pretty cheap way to cheat out huge dudes.

How would one go about getting into modern? I have no idea where to start. I don't wanna do the boring netdecking thing, and rather find some path to learning the decks/meta and coming up with my own decks. I haven't played since I was a kid and was playing a very casual format.

>>49206117
You should always start out net decking when moving into a new format. Once you actually have the vaguest understanding of the existing decks then to can start innovating.

>>49206117
Even if you want to play your brew, you should look up tornament winning decks since they're the ones you'll play against the most

>>49205882
Just make sure you can play it quickly and flawlessly, there are no takebacksies at a GP. Announce all your triggers and have a clear way to mark the boardstate and floating mana

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Requesting a depiction of a mtg mage in this posture I remember seeing a while ago. I need it to make a meme.

Budget Grixis Delver Deck
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/334928#paper
How good does this deck look?

>>49206866

>announce all your triggers

you don't have to announce mandatory triggers, but if it helps you keep track it doesn't hurt.

>>49208165
What do you mean mandatory triggers don't have to be announced?

>>49208325

If I have a creature that says

"whenever you play a land, this creature gets +1+1 until end of turn" I don't have to announce "my creature triggers, so it gets +1/+1". It's assumed to happen, and my opponent will get priority as usual, but you don't need to declare it happening as you would with a "may" trigger.

You can miss "may" triggers, but you can't "miss" mandatory triggers. If you don't call Pyromancer's Ascension, it will be considered a missed trigger as you didn't actively choose to copy the spell. If you have Diviner's Wand and drew a card that turn, you don't have to remind your opponent that your dude has flying now, they need to be keeping track as much as you do.

Maybe at a top level, when people are saying "pass priority" "pass priority" "pass priority", then maybe it's impossible for things to be missed. However, at any other level, it happens quite frequently. If you swing in with a diviners wand flyer and your opponent says "he doesnt have flying, you didnt announce the trigger" you can safely tell him to fuck off.

>>49208532
But in your examples with landfall and Diviner's Wand, you're still announcing the trigger. You are demonstrating awareness of the trigger before it has a visible effect.

>>49208532

>and my opponent will get priority as usual

i'm gonna nitpick my own post here and say that opponents don't usually get priority when you play a land, but they do get it off of land ETB effects. However it's supposed to be equally understood by both players where one or the other has priority, and it's not my job to sit and go "....do you pass priority?" every time I cast a spell if they're sitting quietly. You just have to be mindful of their responses and when they could want to use one, so you don't get ahead of them and reveal your own cards (trying to play them) while you don't have priority if they're holding it and thinking about a response.

>>49208532
>>49208673
>>49208687

yeah, nevermind. after a google search, you do have to demonstrate awareness of a trigger as it goes on the stack, and if you choose not to, your opponent does not have to make you do it. If you forgot to announce a dark confidant trigger, your opponent can choose whether or not it would be considered detrimental to you. If it were, you can be accused of cheating; if not, they can simply choose not to call a judge or not make you put it on the stack.

>>49208673

I had a judge tell me otherwise at my LGS, and I only now actually looked it up, so pardon my ignorance. I called out a missed prowess trigger, and he told me "it happened anyways, you can't just "miss" a trigger that doesn't say you may"

shit ass judge

>>49208765
>>49208801
I think there is some confusion here. You need to demonstrate awareness of a trigger by the first time it would have a visible effect, not necessarily the moment it goes on the stack. For the case of prowess, you don't need to announce the trigger until the creature with prowess does something, like deal combat damage to an opponent.

>>49206750
Where would I go to look up such decks?

Alright guys, for some reason I have a playset mishra's baubles and street wraiths and I'm thinking about building suicide zoo. Is it just a meme or is it legit good?

>>49209101
http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

>>49209143
Two thousand dollar deck Wat.

>>49209171
Welcome to modern. Srsly only two decks are 2k, Jund and Abzan, most are less than 1k.

>>49209054
>>49208673

So you have to demonstrate the trigger at the time? Or when it has an effect? How is one supposed to have a chance to respond to the trigger if the opponent doesn't announce it and acknowledge it on the stack? I mean feasibly, the opponent can't ignore my priority, right? Because you do get a chance to respond to triggers.

If my opponent has a card that says

"3/3
When this creature attacks, target player discards a card
Prowess"

and I have a card that says
"Destroy target creature with power 4 or greater"

my opponent should have to announce the prowess trigger, for me to get a chance to respond with my card before the "visible effect" of damage (and discard).

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>>49205116
Soulfire Grandmaster, than cast Madcap Experiment into a Blightsteel Colossus.

:^)

>>49209188
I'm pretty sure you can just cast the removal spell whether or not he announces the trigger.

>>49209188
The system isn't perfect. Even the rules acknowledge it.

>If an opponent requires information about the precise timing of a triggered ability or needs details about a game object that may be affected by a resolved triggered ability, that player may need to acknowledge that ability’s existence before its controller does.

>>49209185
>most are less than 1k.
As if this somehow makes it better.

Most decks should be under $150 tops -_-

>>49209266

Huh. Go figure.

So >>49208532 wasn't wrong in the first place? Because you only have to technically demonstrate awareness of those mandatory triggers when they tangibly impact the game state aka ("your dude doesn't have flying because you didn't announce it" "yes it does") and in situations where your opponent needs to know about the trigger before it matters, like if they have "destroy target creature with flying", then it's up to them to demonstrate awareness of it before you do.

Okay, so that's literally what I said in >>49208532
and I got corrected by someone causing all this confusion in the first place.

I suppose now I understand it better than I did, but it's not much more.

>>49209399

For the record, the better understanding I have is that you actually *can* miss a mandatory trigger, but only if you miss the time where it actually impacts the board. If I swing with a dude that gets lifelink on prowess trigger and I forget to call out my lifelink, I can't say "wait well he had lifelink when I attacked" (or with Bob, you can't say "well I should have drew an extra card") or else I could get called out for failure to maintain board state.

>>49209444

>failure to maintain board state

Perhaps, but more likely your opponent will just say "but you didn't gain the life" or "but you didn't draw it". In the case of Bob where the trigger could make you lose, your opponent could either force you to put the trigger on the stack or even call you out for cheating if they have reason to suspect you missed it on purpose.

>>49209399
The correction was based on what was stated in >>49208165. This post stated that mandatory triggers did not need to be announced. But the triggers in the examples of >>49208532 were being announced.

>>49209506

I think the confusion is in the semantics of "announce". I was under the impression that you "announce" something on the first time it exists in the game, such as when you get priority, what you choose to cast, what triggers are going on the stack, what your targets are. The semantics of "announce" regarding triggers are odd in that you're still "announcing" a trigger for the first time long after it happens, in contrast to... everything else in the game.

>>49209322
Why? Because you don't want to spend your money? Then go play something else.

>>49209666
Because I want to play a variety of decks, and blowing thousands of dollars on cards is insane.

>>49209666

epic meme, epic trips, great post, magic should only be for working upper class adults or lower middle class manchildren with nothing better to spend their money on than dumping thousands of dollars in a trading card game secondary market that falls on the whim of competitive bans leaving your investment worthless if you invested your money the most efficiently

epic!

>>49209773
>>49209693
>everything should be accessible to everyone
When you grow up you'll stop living in fantasy land

>tfw obliterate jeskai Nahiri every time
How was this deck ever good?
Do nothing until turn 4 then tap out for a planeswalker that can maybe grab emrakul.
Pretty boring too if you ask me.

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>>49210000
It's a meme deck

Never lost to it myself

>>49209132
Stats say it's legit.

>>49209322

Standard is 300-500$ at the moment.

>>49210513

lol

>>49209886
>i've already spent a lot of money on this so they CAN'T lower the price or I'll feel like i've wasted my money

jokes on you, you already have wasted your money.

also
>a fun hobby card game shouldn't have such a high cost barrier of entry
>everything should be accessible to everyone

great meme analogy friend, maybe you'll trick someone into thinking it's accurate.

>>49210630
(You)

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So it, ravager, and?..

I don't want to have to go 4 card combo to run alarm and a mana dork, or cryptilith rite and mass hysteria; so does any single modern card provide at least 1 mana whenever a creature enters or dies, or can repeatedly tap sick creatures for mana?

What are the decks that trigger you the most?

For me, it's a tie between Burn and Infect. Nothing makes me say "fuck you" in my head more then them getting their lucky turn 2 or 3 win. Also to those guys that say "I-It's harder then it looks..." are either lying through their teeth or are completely delusional.

>>49211197
I hate scrubs like you with shitty attitudes

>>49211197
>Also to those guys that say "I-It's harder then it looks..." are either lying through their teeth or are completely delusional.

It's harder than it looks when it comes to different matchups. You sound like a typical Tron player, so their strategy against you is braindead, but can be different against the rest of the field.

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>>49211238
>You sound like a typical Tron player
apex kek

>>49210000
>fuckboys keep trying to make blue work when its been banned and canned by wotc
Why arent they just playing green like how bad do you have to be?

>>49210630
Go back to the Hearthstone reddit, your entitlement and desire for instant gratification will be more welcomed there.

>>49210630
All this projecting is unbecoming.

>>49211197
This is probably bait but what the fuck ever.

For me it's probably Jeskai Harbinger. Not because of the deck itself and playing against it, but rather it's pilots.

It's an okay deck, but Jeskai Harbinger players have a tendency to be really fucking smug and think their geniuses as they engage in their battle of intellect against you as they tip their memehats and smirk.

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nice card

>>49210886
Dross scorpion plus any artifact to tap for mana. Pop whatever to put a counter on ravager, it triggers modules, tap yoirn (let's say) darksteel citadel to make a servo. Ravager eats servo, it dying triggers scorpion to untap citadel. Assuming you got a trampler or trample onto ravager turn3, you can swing for whatever you want on turn 4 usimg an easily interrupted combo.

>>49211697
I think we got a new "Rev for 15" meme boys.

>>49206050
what the hell is in her mouth

>>49205085
A budget Mono Green Stompy or RDW type thing could steal you some wins at FNM, etc, but you can't really build a competitive deck for that price.

>>49202470
How is Valakut not a legendary land?

>>49211413

>entitlement and desire for instant gratification

except I play magic, have thousands of cards, plenty of modern staples, fetch lands, and some modern decks. it's kind of dumb that you seem to think "if you don't like the cost of entry into a card game which is steadily rising, you must just be poor, and/or self-entitled"

i'm willing to bet that many of the people in this modern thread would be paying legacy if they had more money, except it's a rich man's format and you're paying into the thousands for a single card.

just get a second job, jose. buy those dual lands from starofdavid games.

>>49212032

because its really really big, big enough that you can have multiple of them

>>49209886
I don't know about everything, but I do know magic is freely accessible. As a neat little plus, xmage is coded better than mtgo too.

Oh, and there's China man doing his thing.

So what's your point?

>>49212196
What is your point? I'm not the one crying that I can't afford cards.

>>49212247

>lol ur poor

Modern!

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I really want to make RUG Infect work, but I can't afford $200 in lands or Noble Heirarch. Here's my best attempt, what can I fix?

4 Blighted Agent
2 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Glistener Elf

2 Assault Strobe
3 Become Immense
2 Flesh / Blood (only use Blood)
2 Distortion Strike
4 Groundswell
4 Mutagenic Growth
2 Simic Charm
4 Vines of Vastwood
4 Rancor

2 Blinkmoth Nexus
2 Cathedral of War
5 Forest
3 Hinterland Harbor
4 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Island
2 Pendelhaven
3 Rootbound Craig

Side:

2 Apostle's Blessing
3 Corrupted Resolve
3 Gitaxian Probe
2 Manamorphose
2 Nature's Claim
3 Turn Aside

>>49212247
I can afford cards though.

It's a pretty simple deal: either wizards provides cheaper cards through a rational player focused reprint policy, or I take my business elsewhere, (but still play the game ;*). )

As long as wizards is artificially limiting supply, counterfeits and modo clones will be a very prevalent thing.

>>49212297
I never said that. Dude, you're fucking retarded

>>49212326

>i'm not the one crying that I can't afford cards
>implying that you can afford cards, and that the poster can't, even though he said nothing like that

pretty sure you implied it. your only statement was talking about how the poster doesn't have enough money to play magic.

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>>49209666
Look, is the one who thinks that investing in cardboard is a good financial decision
What does it feels knowing that i can beat you with my chinese fakes and your money don't buy you skill?

>>49212068
>have thousands of cards
No one gives a shit about those commons you have rotting in your shoe box.

>i'm willing to bet that many of the people in this modern thread would be paying legacy if they had more money
Nine times out of ten there isn't enough people playing Legacy locally to be worth it.

>buy those dual lands from starofdavid games.
"H-hey guys! S-s-so uh. Star City Games, t-they are a b-bunch of J-Jews amirite? Hahaahaa..."

>>49212454
>Nine times out of ten there isn't enough people playing Legacy locally to be worth it.

and why, might I ask, do you think that is?

>>49212068
>you're paying into the thousands for a single card.
Lol wut. In legacy?

I buy counterfeit cards and use them in tournaments, and there is nothing you can do about it.

I do inform people I'm trading with if they're fakes.

>>49212493

okay, perhaps not. you are looking at several hundred dollars a piece for staples, and god help you if you don't want white border dual lands.

>>49212314
start with the list that won GP Lille.

>Drop Hierarchs for Birds, and cut Become Immense for 4 Rampager. You aren't playing fetches so you aren't delving half as often as you could be.
>Strobe is medium, probably play Phytoburst since Rampager will give trample.
>F//B is fine I guess.
>Drop Charms and 2 Rancor for 4 Might of Old Krosa.
>Play more Wild Defiance since you aren't going to get any Exalted bonus from Hierarch.
>Groundswell is shit in regular Infect right now, it's super shit in a deck with no fetches. Play literally anything else. Probably Wild Defiance.
>Blinkmoth does hot nothing, no it's not worth it to pump your Inkmoths.
>You don't have enough blue sources to cast Agent on T2
>Where the fuck are your Gix Probe oh they're in your sideboard
>Btw your sideboard is hot shit

Y'know I'm kinda bummed because once I got to the last few points I realized you've done actual nothing to prep this decklist besides cobble a bunch of cards together, and then you vomited it onto a Mongolian leafwhistling board because you didn't want to think about your choices in life. It's not difficult to look at a top 8 list and modify it. Eat shit you lazy prick.

sauce: i play infect. it makes you a cunt.

>>49212473
Because most of the time, it's true. Decided to sell my Legacy deck because there were literally only 2 other people who were able to afford it in my city. My town is one of those "everyone's a broke college kid" towns.

>>49212473
You're average young teen through young adult has no interest in the format.

Think I'm giving up on magic boys. Modern is showing no signs of improving, legacy is dead but still costs a kidney, and standard is lol.

On top hearthstone for me.

>>49212690
>>49212537
>>49212068
These are all made by the same person.

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So i've saved up 500 bucks to get into modern. Could someone give me a few suggestions within that budget on fun decks? Not looking to go pro or anything, just have a good time at fnm

>>49212643
>Because most of the time, it's true.
This is not a reason.
>there were literally only 2 other people who were able to afford it in my city.
This is the reason. I said "more people could play it if they had more money" and I was told "well, they wouldn't because nobody plays the format". Excellent circular logic.

>>49212653
For what reason? Do you think that if it were within a young adult's price range, they might take an interest in it? Or do you fancy the idea that they just don't like playing formats with old cards in them. The barrier of entry in cardboard is $2000+ on average for any top tier deck. I can think of many better things for a teen/young adult to spend 2000 dollars on. The only people I can think of with the disposable income that they can justify spending on Legacy are middle-aged with established careers (or nothing better to do with their lives). What an excellent audience for your oldest and most interesting format, the people who are least likely to be into card games.

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>>49212742

excellent deduction, Watson.

>>49212747
I suggest Dredge. It's powerful, fun, and it provides good practice for advanced thinking.

>>49212742
>>49212776
>>49212799
These are all made by the same person.

>>49212747
Finally, a "How to get started?" post that's actually realistic.

>>49212802 made a great suggestion.

>>49212747

You can get Dredge at that budget if you cut out the Tarns

>>49212826

>linking to two posts obviously by the same person
>linking to your own post for the third one so you can bait out a reply

well, you got me.

>>49212872
Dredge never played scalding tarn in the first place. Some lists rarely sometimes run 1 Steam Vents, but your 6 khans fetches are more then enough to get all the colors you need.

>>49212442
You won't beat me. You haven't been playing for more than a few years and i have some fakes myself. Why do you feel so big on this site?

Why is it that modern attracts actual bums? Like homeless people? I know of at least two homeless people who play modern at my lgs, both play burn. Then every one of these threads has people complaining about how ridiculous it is that a meme deck like Green Devotion costs 200$. Why aren't these people buying things they need, like cans of soup and warm clothing? How do they get games in by candlelight at the shelter?

>>49212963

bum for a day, and you can make enough to buy burn from the chinaman. people need to entertain themselves somehow. that, or they played magic before they were homeless, and those cards are some of the only valuable things they own.

>>49212747
Here's a list of decks that won't make you go 0-2 drop at FNM for that budget.

Dredge
Ad Nauseam
RG Breach (Depends on the price you get the breaches at)
Death and Taxes
Bogles
Ponza (debatable on if this one is really viable, but I like it)
Living End
Soul Sisters (check out your meta, does really badly against Tron and Infect)

>>49213090
>check out your meta, does really badly against Tron and Infect

RougeDeckbuilder's hateboner for infect is honestly pretty petty and pathetic. Soul Sisters is his baby (and skred is his illegitimate child).

>>49213195
Rogue Deckbuilder made me throw up when he played Emeria control. Like he put a brittle effigy in the sideboard with one trinket mage specifically to tutor that piece of shit card.

>>49213263
>"GUYS, IT WASN'T A MISPLAY, OK?"

>>49213195
>RougeDeckbuilder's hateboner for infect is honestly pretty petty and pathetic.

In one of his more recent finances video, he went on a rant about how he hates modern now because aggro hurts his feelings and won't let him win with his stupid memebrews, and said he wishes death upon Infect/Burn players. Of course I'm sure he didn't literally mean that but wew.

In the comments he goes on about how "This Simian Spirit/Become Immense bullshit needs to stop!"

>>49213263
At least he isn't DesolatorMagic.

>>49213433
I like Desolatormagic.

It's funny watching how bad he is.

>>49213467
Literally the DSP of Magic

>>49213433

name one tolerable mtg youtuber

protip: you can't

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>>49213433
>>49213467
>>49213480

You rang?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPB-TCYVDdc

>>49213523
I like TCC enough to subscribe to him.

I once followed him on twitter and he was fucking intolerable.

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>>49212442
>>49212940
Ya'll think you're special playing fakes? Learn to speculate on rares and buy in as they spike, sell when they're high, buy real cards. Stop being autistic shit lords who can't even win a pptq

>>49213467
>Verdurous Gearhulk is too powerful for modern

cant make this shit up

>>49213523
MTGGoldfish/Saffron Olive

He's actually pretty good at the game and does a way way better job then RougeDeckbuilder at presenting and playing memebrews whilst also being more entertaining then monotone McWhineyfaggot. Also covers a wide variety of formats.

>>49213195
Please. He's fucking terrible with skred

>>49213637
>Kitchen Finks should be banned!
>Liliana of the Veil should be banned!
>Legacy is so dumb and stupid, it's a coin flip format!
>My modern homebrew (TapDance) is soooooooo OP I wouldn't be surprised if this gets banned.

And the classic
>HOLY FUCK GUYS CRYPTOLITH RITE IS THE MOST BROKEN CARD IN EXISTANCE WHY DID YOU MAKE THIS WIZARDS!!!

>>49213692
Not saying he's actually good at piloting the deck, or at playing the game for that matter.

>>49213726
>Liliana of the Veil should be banned!
I'd be all for banning cards that are that expensive, to be honest.

>>49213761
>I can't afford it! Wizards please ban!

>>49213834
It needs to be reprinted, more like it. I'm talking more house rules and not serious shit.

>>49213761
It's pretty retarded that Wizards is so stingy with reprints, but the retardation of what you think is tenfold.

>>49213523
There really isn't any.
I follow the plebby shit still.
>Manasource
>TCC
>/MTGHQ/
>MTGgoldfish
>TWoo
Eh, there isn't much else outside of mtgo matches from ChannelFireball or SGC

>>49213645
Mtggoldfish is bretty gud, I love their commander clash videos

I honestly want Wizards to ban Modern staple cards so that more decks can actually be viable in the format.

Fuck Goyf, and fuck Lightning Bolt.

>>49213968
You sound just like Desolatormagic.

Why is Jund the most fun deck in the format?

Why does it feel so good?

>>49213968
>fuck goyf
that see-
>fuck lighting bolt
holy shit QQ more

>>49213968
Fuck you dude. Those are my two favourite cards. Tempo needs these cards. Play kitchen table if you want you epic wombo combo creatures

>>49214140
People literally run red just to play bolt. Think about that for a second.

>>49214079
I find it very boring.
It's almost too good and you're left with very little room for error so it basically plays itself

>>49214253
Woah. I wonder why they don't run green or blue for bolt. Really makes you think

what's the verdict on Kaladesh, any cards seem like they could fit in modern decks?

>>49214253
People literally play blue for semen visions
People literally play white for path to exile
I can keep going, you're complaining that the color is working as intended

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>tfw you destroy someone in the mirror match

>>49214253
And? Path is literally the only good main board white card in modern, what of it?

>>49214266
T1-3~ sorta do play themselves, but it gets a lot more fun after IMO. But I see where you're coming from.
>>49214289
not yet.

>>49214360
Geist, Knight of the reliquary, Lightning helix, Nahiri, ajani, lingering souls

>>49214397
>all the good white cards are actually other color cards
hmmm

>>49214424
They're still white

>>49213645
He's improved. I remember a year ago watching his videos and getting seeing so many missed plays he could have done. Nearly every game.

Now that only happens maybe once per video on average, which makes them much more watchable.

>>49214523
Menguchi should be fired. He's the misplay messiah

How to fix modern. Every year a group of impartial modern experts convene to assign points values to cards.

Most cards have no points. A deck can only have seven points in it to be legal. Fetches and duals are a point apiece. Tron lands are two points.

>>49214466
But being white doesn't make them good. The other color makes them good, white just tags along (with the exception of lingering souls I guess). White is the worst color in modern, white cards as a whole as shit in modern, and white multi colored cards that see play barely get any power from white's color pie.

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>>49202470
I felt so fucking clever when I used Valakut with Primeval Titan.

mfw i found out it was already popular in competitive play

>>49214615
Nearly every card in tron would be 0 points though, even with tron lands being 2 points RG tron would be exactly the same unless ancient stirrings made it up to 2 points as well.

>>49214651
I wasn't clear: reach copy of a card with points counts.

So if you had three urzas mines, that would be six points, and now you can't fit another copy of a two point card in your deck.

Under this rule set, tron would only be permitted to run one set of tron lands.

In all honesty, tron would be fine at 1 point per tron lands, but I hate tron so much. I would obviously not be in the counsel.

>>49214716
tron would be dead if they could only run 7 tron lands.

>>49214615
or they could make new sets less shit and try and shake up modern without reaching Eldrazi bullshit levels

So is the new Chandra going to actually slot into any decks? Seems like she's just in a spot where no deck really needs her.

>>49214765
>Seems like she's just in a spot where no deck really needs her.

Pretty much. Abilities are weird. First +1 is fine, second +1 is just bad. Who the fuck needs sorcery RR?

>>49214742
Never gonna happen while nosewater is in charge. Remember, this is the man who thinks mana screw is good.

>>49214811
Yeah, the second ability feels like they wanted to make a 4 ability planeswalker, but couldn't think of an appropriate second ability

>>49214289
I'm going to make a pastebin and post it here in a sec regarding new cards that are viable.

The cards from SOI/EMN I thought might see play did, so my opinion is slightly valid (although I'm still waiting to see a singleton Ishkana in a Junk list somewhere)

>>49214811
>>49214905
>turn 4 chandra, use first plus
>next turn use second plus, have 7 mana presumably in a Grixis deck, start chaining snapcasters
Two red mana is better than two colorless mana when casting Kcommand/snap

>>49215246
>two colorless mana
What are you referring to that gives you colourless?

>>49215054
Mind linking the SOI/EMN pastebin?

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>>49215246
>chain sorcery speed snaps

>>49214615
>waaaaaaah I can't afford my manabase: the post

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You have been given executive power to make decisions for this month's modern unbans. The objective they want you to achieve is to make Blue and White better colors.

What do?

>>49215549
Unban SFM
Fuck blue

>>49215549
Preordain, ponder unban for blue

SFM unban for White. White really has nothing that's banned that's that good beyond SFM. In fact it's the only white banned card. What white needs is StP in modern, as well as more, better ways to go wide.

>>49215432
My point is that if you have a ton of manasinks if your deck, the option of +2 mana could be useful for a huge turn.
>>49215302
I mean that you can use the red mana for things like Snapcaster, Tasigur's ability, Creeping Tarpits, anything that requires (1).

It's an option, one that has use in some cases, the mana ability is the bit of parsley on top of the spaghetti dish.

>>49215620
Preordain and ponder ...or JTMS?

>>49215620
Adding StP in modern makes decks now run 4 StP and nothing else new in white. Bolt and goblin guide are examples of good cards in their colors, they not just good red cards but good cards for red decks. StP is a good white card, but does nothing to further the strategy of white decks (because they don't exist).

>>49215684
Well no other card can be unbanned to make white good on it's own, is the problem. What White is good at just doesn't seem to matter in modern, aside from Path and assorted sideboard cards.

>>49215671
I think a BigJace unban would be super interesting, especially since he was never given a chance in the first place since his banning was a carryover from Extended. However it would be a terrible move to unban him how little of him there is to go around. He'd easilly shoot up to Lili level and beyond prices overnight. Look at Ancestral Visions.

>>49215736
Pretty much this, a shitton of white's true power comes from beyond modern and will likely never show up again in newage Magic.

>>49215736
What is white good at?

>>49215620
I don't get why they are so chikenshit about unbanning Preordain or Ponder. Just one of those would be really nice. I can understand their concern when Twin was the deck to beat, but since it's gone now there isn't much reason not to unban them unless Wizards is just that deathly afraid of Scapeshift and Ad Nauseum.

>>49215852
B-BUT STORM!!!!!

where my /pauper/ bros at?

>>49215888
That actually makes too much sense. Although we'll see if they axe dredge this month or the next bans/unbans after that. If they don't then there's hope.

>>49215802
Not really. A good portion of white cards that see play in legacy/vintage are modern legal, the notable exceptions being mom, StP and SFM. Stuff like monastery mentor and thalia are legal in modern, they're just not that good for modern. Unbanning SFM would go a long way to making white decks viable in modern.

>>49215901
in a thread about pauper, I assume.
Pauper's an eternal format, not modern.

>>49215932
True, I guess to redo my statement. White's power in older formats stems from their synergy with cards not legal in modern. Things like Karakas, Port, Top/Brainstorm/JtMS for Terminus and Entreat the Angels, etc. So really unless they make some of the older cards modern legal, the best we can do is SFM and thats it.

>>49215932
If they changed Conspiracy cards to be modern legal, though. We'd see a bit more white. Prelate and Recruiter are of course who I'm talking about most notably. White in general needs solid cards that aren't just "Good for standard" like Thalia's Lieutenant or Archangel of tithes.

I love playing white, but the things it can do just don't make up for the shit it can't do well in this format.

>>49209444
Lifelink isn't a trigger so it can't be missed.

>>49216097
>Conspiracy 1+2 are now legal
>Omni-tell can exist in nearly full power in modern

Yes please.

>>49216162
Yeah. Obviously they'll never do that, but I think conspiracy sets could be a way to introduce reprints of nonmodern card to modern and skip standard (which they claim the issue is). It's an extreme option, but I'd rather have crazy, insane games in a healthy format like modern and not play with the same 10 people once a month in legacy,

>>49215549
Ban batterskull, Unban SFM.
Ban serum visions, unban preordain.

Hey guys, post your local paper meta. That way we can see if modern really is a shitstorm in real life like everyone says online. Each line is a regular player I can expect to show up to weekly modern events, their deck is listed from what they're most likely to play to least likely. A lot of the less likely decks get borrowed by other players, so they end up getting played a fair amount

GR Tron/Merfolk/Storm/Burn
Gruul Zoo
Bant Eldrazi/ Death Shadow Aggro/ Affinity/ Jeskai Nahiri
Mono White Humans
Boros Humans
Affinity/ Grixis Delver
Affinity/ Gruul Zoo/ Jund
Restore Balance/ Grixis Control/ Skred/ 5C Nahiri Control
Mono G Stompy
RG Titanshift/ Dredge /Ad Nauseam
Esper Thopter Sword
Eldrazi and Taxes/ Esper Gifts
UW Control
RUG Scapeshift
GR Eldrazi Tron/ Double Moon Walkers
Jund/ Abzan Coco/ Jeskai Nahiri
Jund/ Kiki Chord

The Mono W Humans guy and Affinity/Zoo guy do the best consistently.

>>49216635
Unban ponder, not preordain*

>>49215384
pastebin.com/tiWWL1iP

If there's any card I missed let me know

>>49216737
What makes you think the ship will see play when Inferno Titan barely does?

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>>49215549
Unban SFM
Unban Preordain
Unban Seething Song
Reprint Counterspell
Reprint Vindicate

Preordain and Counterspell make blue control decks consistent enough to survive a wide meta.

Vindicate gives the format a strong answer to land based strategies like Tron and Valakit, as well as a catch-all answer to free up sideboard space.

SFM gives white midrange decks another tool against the hyper agressive decks in the format. Combined with Counterspell it will also shift power away from GBx as the de facto midrange shell.

And finally Preordain and Seething Song will bring storm back with a vengeance. A turn 3-4 combo deck that is easy for control to deal with will put pressure on other linear strategies like Tron, Eldrazi, Valakut, etc and give interactive decks a more solid role in the metagame.

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What decks besides Cheerios let me use pic related?

>>49216935
Ad Nauseam

>>49216935
Rad Nauseam.

>>49216953
>>49216958
Decklist?

>>49216844
This, sure it's colorless but it being an artifact makes it vulnerable to K-command, and Crew X is pretty much a death sentence that keeps vehicles from ever being viable.

>>49216991
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13391&d=278580&f=MO

>>49216991
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/470650#online

>>49216844
Literally because Titan sees play, and the ship costs 1 less, in any color. Upon thinking about it more, Crew is such a shitty mechanic and I doubt this ship will be any good.

I wish you could sink mana to self-crew it. I won't write off the ship just yet though, but I should take away the part about it maybe moving up to viable.

>>49217008
>>49217017
Neat, thanks.

>>49215549
Reprint brainstorm, reprint cabal therapy. The interaction between these two cards is as fun as magic gets.
Unban sfm.
Print new forms of extra draw hate in white.

>>49215901
Checking in.

Paradoxical outcome makes reality acid/demonic pact control viable.

>>49217130
>interaction
???

>>49217208
Hide your pieces with brainstorm

>>49216737
>VIABLE

Saheeli Rai - Can't protect herself, her plus ability is dogshit, and the situation you described is getting to magical christmas land territory. Her colors makes finding a home for her difficult and probably isn't going to enable a new deck like Nahiri.

Inventor's Fair - I can see it as a one of too, hard to say which land it replaces.

Ceremonious Rejection - unless Eldrazi becomes the terror of the meta again, I doubt people will waste their sideboard slots for this. For artifacts I'd rather have removal.

Chandra - I can see her possibly being one of Jund's 4 drop threats.

Cataclysmic Gearhulk - Same opinion.

>GOOD

Skysoverign - A flying, colorless inferno titan that costs 1 less. However Crew is going to make this incredibly awkward to play if not unplayable, and it folds to Kolaghan's command.

Pia Nalaar - Interesting card, although people will just stick to Pia and Kiran.

Nissa, Vital Force - At best will see fringe play in something like a tier 3 devotion deck or whatever. Doesn't fit anywhere else and costs too much.

Voltaic Brawler - A potential contender for Zoo decks.

Filigree Familiar - lol Utron.

Verdurous Gearhulk - Not really.

Aerial Responder - If Nighthawk doesn't see any play, why would this see play?

Demon of Dark Schemes - Costs too much.

Gonti - An edh meme card. Dies to bolt before you can cast the stolen spell.

>HONOURABLE MENTIONS

Arborback Stomper - You bring in Thragtusk against aggro and burn. The extra 3/3 is better at helping you stabilize then trample does. Although the 4 toughness is a point in it's favor.

Rashmi - Another edh meme card. Does nothing other then being a 2/3 blocker if you play him on curve. Pretty much fails all the criteria for creatures above 3 cmc.

>>49215549
Ban serum visions, mana leak, dispel and spell snare, snapcaster mage and any jace
Unban bloodbraid elf, deathrite shaman, punishing fire

>>49217474
>Dies to bolt before you can cast the stolen spell.
That isn't how it works actually. The card is still just EDH bait, but the way it is worded lets you still cast the exiled card after Gonti has died.

>>49215549
Unban Jace, unban treasure cruise, unban preordain, unban ponder.

Ban goyf.

>>49217474
>hard to say which land it replaces.

Fair is fighting for the same spot Sea Gate Wreckage is. It's a close call and I'm honestly not sure which one will ultimately take the spot.

>>49217799
Goyf is a blue card deep down. RUG is life.

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>hey kids
>you want some modern staples?
>well have this mythic and...

>>49217474
>>49216737
I wouldn't compare Arborback to Thragtusk as much as to Obstinate Baloth. The decks playing Thrag either genuinely do care about the death trigger, like Evolution, or they could be in situations where GG might be hard to come by, like Tron or Ponza. Essentially, the decks playing Thragtusk are going to keep playing it because they have criteria Arborback doesn't fit under.

Comparatively, vs. Obstinate Baloth it's a more threatening iteration of the same basic premise, but coming down a turn later makes it feel a lot worse against the decks you actually need Obstinate Baloth against.

It's alright, but don't expect it to see it taking many spots from it's competitors.

>>49218027
>mythic land

What are you on about?

>>49217474
>Chandra
>I can see her possibly being one of Jund's 4 drop threats.
Can this meme stop already?

>>49218358
I feel any list that plays Pyromaster in the main or side(usually in side if at all) wants this over it. New Chandra is a powerful card, but a 4 drop walker in this meta is scetchy. It has to be able to take over a game and with New Chandra we won't be able to tell until she sees play.

>>49218007
Orrery will replace both, one-time tutor for 5 when you need to outgrind BGx and UWx is just bad (especially when whatever you tutor just eats a thoughtseize, path, grudge or mana leak) and if Orrery draws you just the 3 before getting removed it's already better than Sea Gate, although the latter is harder to remove. In the MUs where said cards are relevant your opponent isn't ever hellbent so Orrery's an asymmetrical recall.

>>49218450
Maybe, but my point is there's no fucking reason jund wants it. Sure, some lists running pyromaster might put new Chandra in, but it's a pretty lateral move, plus >60$.
KEK

But what 4 CMC MB/SB slots is she realistically going to take? Kalitas? Huntmaster? Olivia? Night? Thun? Fucking none.

>>49205116
I'm thinking something like a WR package with blightst eel as wincon, with burrenton forge tender, sulfide grandmaster to negate the life loss. And things like apostles blessing and temur battle rage to push through with bloghtsteel.

Then just slap in some bolts and paths and call it good.

Thoughts?

>>49218712
Phone autocorrect why do you do this to me?

Side note, is there any good way to dig for the madcap card? Or would it be a case of "stay alive til you find this"

>>49218712
Seems like some solid jank. Perhaps intervention pact over soulfire since they can kill it in response unlike the forge tender. Blightsteel already has trample, probably just use stuff to protect it from path, it doesn't need that much help hitting in.
There's some dig for instant/sorcery cards but they're not great. Mystical Teachings off the top of my head

>>49218766
What are some things that protect it from path? Blessing obviously, but is there much else in modern?

>>49218766
>>49218889
Also I suppose it could run both white spells for life total protection. Or is that too many?

So is that new hellion playable in Modern? 3 mana to swing with a hasty 4/4 twice seems pretty damn good.

>>49218889
In red white? Blessing, Rebuff the Wicked, Blessed Breath, Emerge Unscathed, Gods Willing.

>>49218889
>>49219042
You could also run inkwell leviathan in the SB and switch it in when against decks with path too

>>49218990

Id rather have that 3/2 beater for RG that gives 2 energy and gets +1/+1 and trample when you pump it. Easily has a spot in Zoo decks especially when you cast it off Burning Tree Emissary

>>49219042
>>49219100
Ooo sexy. What about expedite? Worth it to get that attack in one turn sooner?

>>49213570

>Talking about how he "Destroys net-deckers" at FNM with his rogue counter decks
>When he literally admitted in a previous video that he has NEVER won first place at an FNM because of cheating net-deckers

DesolatorMagic is such a fucking embarrassment.

>>49216683

>Mono W Humans guy do the best consistently
>two jund decks

How?

>>49218620
If you get your fair tutored card thoughtseized you are literally and objectively playing it wrong.

Please do not offer your opinion on card evaluation any more until you learn how to play the game.

>>49218739
>>49218712
Go jeskai, you get shape anew

>>49219736
Pilot skill, just because you have jund doesnt mean youre going to play it right

>>49220079
Boros reckoner, pariah, mistveil plains for jeskai control. Instead of trying to nahiri ult out an emerakul you can just dig for the artifact, dump it then put it on the bottom and then madcap experiment. Who cares about ulting nahiri when you can meme on them.

>>49218990
Would be payable with trample, without it's kind of meh

>>49218620
Orrey would be a sideboard card at best, and even then I doubt it will see play.

>>49218620

>Orrery
>An expensive brick that can make your opponent draw 3
>Will replace utility lands

youre comparing apples to wastes of time.

>>49220171
Yep. The guy with Jund/Coco/Jeskai is literally the worst player in our lgs. He bought all of the pieces for Jund, Pod, and Twin when they were at their most powerful and thinks that makes him a pro. Then he terminates a sakura tribe elder on an empty board. Never seen him do better than 2-2.

>>49213523
I Hate Card Games

i hate how different decks all demand different answers

having to jam 1 for 1 removal in every deck to deal with 3/3 one drops and 6/7 two drops is a pain in the ass because I don't always want to run those cards but the meta demands it (and also demands grave hate)

the deck Im running has answers for Tron, Dredge, control, elves, infect, and a few other noteworthy decks. but the moment I go up against zoo or jund, im boned.

the fair game is just so strong

/blog

>>49222359
A deck can't be perfect. Even WU Eldrazi wasn't perfect, but it was damn close.

print abrupt decay in the next MM at uncommon.

draft will be fine, christ.

>>49222579
Of all the cards to complain about, why Abrupt Decay?

>>49222597

Im not complaining about it, I think it deserves an uncommon printing. It won't slaughter the draft format, something that only hits 3 CMC is a whole lot narrower in draft.

>>49222597
Not him but i fucking hate this card. It's just lazy design and irritating how g/b get an amazing catch all answer

>>49222781
It was printed to help put Countertop in check.

>>49217510
>I hate blue with a passion.

Dude its a shit color in any format that aint legacy so shut up.

>>49224483
Well, there's also Vintage, EDH, and most Cubes.

>>49223824
>Miracles is still top memedog in Legacy.
LOLNO!

>>49224666
To help, I said.

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>>49205116

>>49224750
Affinity could very rarely get rid of it with a double Galvanic.

>>49224750
>loldeadzo

except infect can kill you t3, before you can do anything.

not even worth reading the rest

>>49224750
The most likely scenario is that you're running Madcap in a control shell, so you're hoping to stick the landing and then counterspell away the cards that threaten your Emperion.

There's a problem that it's locked out by Grafdigger's too and everyone is running it.

>>49224858
Saying "loldeadzo" is referring to the Emperion player because Emperion doesn't do fuckall against Infect.

>>49224858
Yeah anything with Red means it's bad

Yellow Means okay

Green means good

>>49224901
This anon gets it

>>49224932
I'll add that Burn should probably be Yellow since they can possibly easily kill you before you can resolve it. Depends if you're on the play really.

>>49224750

>Ad Nauseam
>Can't deal with

They run Slaughter Pact

>>49218710
It depends on the 75 and your meta/expected Meta. If there is a cut I'd be Olivia or Night as you may not want use them often. She needs to be tested.

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THE TIME HAS COME BITCHES
STEAMFLOGGER BOSS WILL HAVE HIS DAY

>>49225892
This is not relevant to the thread

>>49225398
Conflagrate could also deal with it if it absolutely has to, I guess.

>>49225398
generally on the sb only

>>49226522
if they run conflagrate, yes. most use lab maniac instead, which also wins the game regardless of emperion

>>49226522
>>49226838
Well, it does point out Dredge has an option too.
Not a good one, but one.

>>49211197
>What are the decks that trigger you the most?
Mardu midrange shitters. Stop being fucking snowflakes.
The deck is shit and you're better off playing jund, junk, grixis or jeskai.

>>49203837
>>49203837
just get mono red burn

>>49216683
my local meta is
>4 Jund players
>4 burn
>2 breach
>1 merfolk
>6 control
every one just plays net decks and about 65% of people there are nice

I only play shitty brews and almost never do worse than 2-2

>>49228512
What control do they run, vanilla Nahiri?

>>49210000
Nahiri is fun and one of the more interactive decks in the format.

There's a lot of difficult decision making playing it, I think that's why I like it. Emrakul feels like the reward for doing that correctly. You don't really get the feeling when you win that your deck did all the work, like you can sometimes in say, jund IMO.

>>49202470
Does modern feel fucking boring all of a sudden?
Am I the only one who feels this?

>>49229145
If you play a boring deck maybe. I'm still having fun

>>49229212
What deck you rocking anon?

>>49229145
No, I'm selling the fuck out as we speak. It's uninteractive, expensive, and VERY matchup dependant. You brought Tron? Round one you're up against Jund, so you've pretty much automatically won. Round two you're against Infect. Ouch, sorry, looks like you've lost this one.

Repeat until you collect your 3 losses and go home.

>>49229224
RUG Delver mainly.

I also play skred, grishoalbrand and jeskai ascendancy gifts. The last one is pure jank.

>>49229238
That's because tron is a stupid deck in modern. This is what you get when you play it

>>49229297
>RUG Delver in modern
I'm just getting into Modern since I own 70% of Merfolk from Legacy. What is this deck? Decklist?

>>49229385
The format is still heavily matchup dependant no matter what deck you're playing. And post-board games come down to whether or not you drew your insurmountable game ending bullet. Opening hand has a Grafnigger's Cage? Put your signature on the slip, Dredge player. Got a Leyline in there? Sorry Burn friend, it's curtains for you.

The only decks that don't suffer from this problem are Jund and Abzan because they're just a collection of good cards. Wanna know the secret as to why you don't see other goodstuff decks? The power level of BGx is leagues above any other in Magic. Even in Legacy it's the same shit. Abrupt Decay, Tarmogoyf, Liliana of the Veil, Dark Confidant, Scavenging Ooze, Thoughtseize. Everything has horrifying levels of value attached AND THEY KEEP FUCKING PRINTING THIS SHIT LOOK AT DEATHRITE SHAMAN.

Fucking awful format.

>>49229489
You just seem bad. Sorry friend

>>49229489
They'll eventually start running 5C lands for Nature's Claim.

These have always been a problem for Dredge in Legacy, and honestly the deck probably has more abuse for potential than Modern.

>>49229489
Well put, do you play any other mtg formats that aren't modern that are moderately more interesting and fun?

>>49229556
potential for abuse*

Fuck drinking and posting.

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>>49229485
I feel like a faggot for posting this every thread but people ask.
Check out mtgsalvation monkey grow if you're interested in the deck.
It's fun tempo that rewards learning the deck.

>>49229764
>4 goyfs
I'm good anon, looks nice nonetheless

>>49229775
Fair enough.

I guess this proves that the new Chandra really is good enough for modern :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrOp6r3rGEU

>>49230004
Cryptolith Rite has been going in sideboards everywere over legacy, I only get my best mtg advice from desolator :^))

>>49230004
I legit wonder what the people at his lgs thinks of him. He sure does love to talk shit about the place and the people who go there right in his video.

>>49230004
Biggest lolcow in the mtg community by far

>>49230141

Who cares what they think they're all just a bunch of cheating netdeckers :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPB-TCYVDdc

>>49230141
They probably hate him and think he's a retard. But unlike him they have tact.

>>49230188
Somebody else already beat ya to the punch boyo.

>>49230141

>see a retard
>tell him to fuck off
>get banned from a store for starting a fight

OR

>just ignore him and/or laugh behind his back
>later that day just wreck his shitbrew with no remorse.

There's only one correct answer here senpai, especially if you like your LGS

>>49215549
Unban everything. Literally everything.

>>49230004
>>49228586
nahiri and like 2 grixis
I've seen Kiki jiki like once

>>49229764
Top lel I own most of this deck, save for a single goyf, tarfire, mandrills and a misty.

I'll try it out. Though to be honest I can't imagine it translates well to the format.

Question,why would anyone use Horizon Canopy in mono W humans? Is it just as a pseudo -cycling?

>>49230004
Is he legitimately autistic?

>>49232200
Don't underestimate T2 Goyfs with counter backup.

>>49232201
>Is it just as a pseudo -cycling?

Why ask questions you already know the answers to?

>>49232200
It's obviously not as good as Canadian Threshold but it's well positioned seeing as most linear decks fold to a quick clock and disruption towards their key pieces.

Stubborn Denial is also criminally undervalued.

>>49232477
I could see how it could be sick. Is Simic Charm really worth playing over Izzet Charm though?

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>>49232523
>>49232523

New thread

>>49232528
Not him hut I could see it. All modes are insane
>buff a body to either close out damage or make a combat favourable to you
>blank removal
>bounce a troublesome body to finish the game or bounce a delve creature to really fuck them up

>>49232528
>>49232692
What he said mostly. It's counterspell when facing an Abrupt decay and midrange is the decks worst matchup

>>49232730
>It's counterspell when facing an Abrupt decay
Oh baby

>>49229489
Lol wtf dredge doesn't lose to grafdiggers after board, they can beat it even without claim or abrupt decay. Just play lands and cast a troll. Burn is the same shit, they can just run you over with nacatls and guides even if they don't have revelry.

>>49233809
>just cast a 5 drop and hope they have no removal

>>49234014
>What is regenerate
>What is dredging it back and casting it again
>What is just dredging another one

Grafdiggers is one of the worst hate cards against dredge, only slightly ahead of tormods crypt and relic.