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Never ever seen on the table

So if Rogal Dorn is a potato
What othet vegetables can we use to represent the primarchs?

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Also, I just noticed that's an Iron Warriors version of one of the casemate Baneblade variants, but I can't be sure which. I also just noticed that they positioned the exhaust pipes to cover up the statue/mural/whateverit'scalled on the back.

>>49195012
Look up FW Stormsword and Stormblade. They have that type of exhaust.

"Have faith, Imperial Fist."

Attributed to anonymous loyalist IV Legion Terminator during the assault on the Vengeful Spirit.

>>49195189

Imperial Fists confirmed faithless heretics

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>>49195004
Adding fruits in here too because whatever

>Lion El'Jonson = Cucumber
>Fulgrim = Grapefruit
>Perturabo = Bitter Melon
>Jaghatai Khan = Bok Choy
>Leman Russ = Turnip
>Dorn = Potato
>Konrad Curze = Pumpkin
>Ferrus Manus = Coconut
>Angron = Chili Pepper
>Mortarion = Durian
>Guilliman = Broccoli
>Magnus = Tomato
>Horus = Apple
>Logar = Onion
>Vulkan = Watermelon
>Corax = Pickle
>Alpharius = Corn

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>>49195524
Better version.

Recently started reading the earlier BL books about the HH again. It's kinda funny how all the primarchs who were bro's were "Closest palls of all the primarchs !" back then. Specially because where we're at now in the series it's like every book has at least 2 duels between primarchs that doesn't result in anything really happening because that'd change the battle at Terra too much.

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Are there any examples of a land raider phobos as the standard plastic raider or is it all MkIIB during the heresy?

>>49195668
The friendships pretty much went:

>Horus & Sanguinius = friendly with everyone
>Fulgrim/Ferrus/Vulkan crafters clique
>Logar/Magnus/Khan deep thinkers clique
>Guilliman & Dorn = no real friends but resepcted Ferrus, Horus, Sangy, and Russ the most
>Lion & Russ = Distrusted by everyone else
>Corax = edgy loner neither liked or hated
>Pert, Curze, Angron, Alpharius = actively on bad terms with everybody besides Horus

>>49195876
It was always pretty ridiculous how the rest of the Primarchs were supposed to accept Curze. I mean Angron you can make the excuse of the nails messing him up but Curze is basically a serial killer.

>>49195740
MkIIB GOAT

>>49195911
Fulgrim did accept Curze and he was the closest thing to a friend that he had.

>>49195740
There's one image in one of the books of the plastic LR with its sponsons. Also, they Prometheus is featured in several images and it has the MkIII sponsons, just with heavy bolters instead of lascannons.

>>49195876
You might lump Magnus and Perturabo together. They were friends and spent time together exploring Terra and discovering ancient secrets. There's one scene in Angel Exterminatus where Perturabo is being inaugurated by the Emperor and he mentions how he shares close bonds with Magnus.

TROOPS:

Infantry Platoon 1 Platoon Command Squad, 2-5 Thunder Warrior Squads, 0-5 Unblooded, 0-3 Specialist Teams.

Platoon Command Squad:

Squad Size 3 (75pts)
WS:5 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W:2 I:3 A:2 LD:8 3+ save (Platoon Commander)
WS:5 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W: I:3 A:2 LD:7 3+ save (Honor Guard)
Rules: Thunder Warrior

Wargear: Power Armor, Power Weapon, Tonitrus Bolt Carbine, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak grenades

Any Honor Guard or Platoon Commander may take equipment form:
Special Issue Wargear


Thunder Warrior Squad:

Squad Size: 5-20 8pts each
WS:4 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:3 A:1 LD:7 Save:3+
Special Rules: Thunder Warrior

One Thunder Warrior may be upgraded to a Champion for 10pts (+1atk, +1LD)

Wargear: Tonitrus Bolt Carbine, Bolt Pistol, Frag And Krak Grenades

Any Thunder Warrior may take an additional close combat weapon for +2 points per model.

One In Three Thunder Warriors may take one of the following:
Heavy Stubber: Free
Flamer 5pts
Rotor Cannon 5pts
Autocannon 10pts
Missile Launcher 15pts
Lascannon 20pts
Power Weapon 15pts
A Thunder Warrior Champion may take any of the following:
Artifier Armor +10pts
Melta Bombs +5pts
Nuncio Vox

If the squad numbers ten models or less you may choose from one of the following to take as a dedicated transport:
Legiones Astartes Drop pod
Rhino
Land Raider Proteus or Phobos

Thunder Warrior Squad:

Squad Size: 5-20 8pts each
WS:4 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:3 A:1 LD:7 Save:3+
Special Rules: Thunder Warrior

One Thunder Warrior may be upgraded to a Champion for 10pts (+1atk, +1LD)

Wargear: Tonitrus Bolt Carbine, Bolt Pistol, Frag And Krak Grenades

Any Thunder Warrior may take an additional close combat weapon for +2 points per model.

One In Three Thunder Warriors may take one of the following:
Heavy Stubber: Free
Flamer 5pts
Rotor Cannon 5pts
Autocannon 10pts
Missile Launcher 15pts
Lascannon 20pts
Power Weapon 15pts
A Thunder Warrior Champion may take any of the following:
Artifier Armor +10pts
Melta Bombs +5pts
Nuncio Vox

If the squad numbers ten models or less you may choose from one of the following to take as a dedicated transport:
Legiones Astartes Drop pod
Rhino
Land Raider Proteus or Phobos

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>>49195189
>"Have faith, Imperial Fist."
>GLADLY

>>49194953
I'm sorry I didn't cover for you, but I'm busy with examns.

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>>49195876
>You forgot Mortarion
>He wasn't even included in the list
>He's got a tier for himself: Mortarion-tier of lonelyness.
>>49195963
C-curze had Morty as a sempai.

>>49196378
The Black Templars are a bit of a black sheep of the space marine chapters, with them being the only chapter that does believe that the Emprah is a god and all

>>49197356
They are the only ones who do obey the Edict of Nikea to the letter, though.
Emps would look at the Angels of Death psyker supplement and say "Didn't I just ban these witches?"

>>49197356
Actually there are approx. 37 chapters that worship Him.

>>49195740
MkIIB and Armoured Proteus are the only true Land Raiders around here, anon!


Their sponsons make me hnng!

>>49195876
Actually Pert and Magnus were best friends, and Curze looked up to Fulgrim and confided in him.

>>49196447
Mortarion was pretty much Corax-tier in relationships. He wasn't hated but kept to himself.

>>49198254
Mate, everyone hated Mortarion except Horus. Heck, Perturabo hated him extra!

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>>49198162
The sponsons on them are beautiful indeed, anon. Glad to see that I'm not the only one with a love for them. Pic isn't mine.

When you see it.

Hey, does anyone know what the order code for Z's phobos bolters with hands attached are?

Trying to order some MkII crusade armor but am afraid to purchase bolters without the hand parts.

>>49198432
>When you see it
Anon, it's like this but with MkVI and that chaos star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc5G04nJecI

>>49198274
No suprise really, I mean who likes a guy who kills everybody that's down-wind from him by stench alone right ?

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So I decided I have more money than sense, rip me.

Also, was there ever any errata that the achilles can take other shells in the quad mortar?

>>49198693
>Warlord Titan
Anon I love you.

>>49198162
What about the achilles alpha?

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>>49195876
>I'm a Ravenfag
>nobody likes or dislikes me
>got into the army cause I'm a goth edgelord and a sucker for Poe's work
>spend my days lonely building my army
>mfw

>>49198432
>beaky iron warrior

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49198719
Whoops, forgot about the glorious armoured quad mortar!

>>49198693

How good are your building skills? Because unless you're hyper talented, you really should not risk breaking that monster.

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>>49198847
Im up to the task of building, painting not as much. Ive already done an arm cannon and both laser blasters, have been working on torso

Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my soul... And my mind... even my voices... The body I've lost... the primarchs I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past!

Proper tips on weathering my Iron Warriors? Just slap nuln oil on them and put the mus technical around the base?

I'm still here because I can't find a better tabletop or video game hobby. WoW is fun, but it's much more satisfying to finish building and painting an army...even though I can only play once or twice a month.

>>49199677
Weathering powders will help if you want to go for the dusty/rusty look

>>49195876
Pertuabo and Magnus were close friends, but they're Still distrusted allies in game

Rolled 1 (1d2)

1 for one more round, 2 for taking a break and going to sleep.

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Credit to Athrawes from BaC

Rolled 8 (1d10)

>>49200286
>xenos runes
I've seen too much, rolling for it now.
Looks much better painted.

Rolled 7 (1d10)

>>49200308
I live!

>>49195911
Fulgrim was something of a mentor to Cruze, but it is only mentioned in one short story, and holds no ground anywhere else, there are no mentions of friendship between those primarchs or legions.
In early years of HH books, when there was no consistency between writers and no general rule how to write legions/primarchs, Corax saw Curze as someone really close to him, 'cuz of "my stealth" eaven if NL were not prone to stealth tactics, and it is questionable how much Curze was stealthy during his years on Nostramo.

>>49200286
Looks better, but still Ahriman deserves FW treatment

Rolled 1 (1d10)

>>49200434
>>49200434
Vulkan too was mentor to Curze, but it was already too late, Curze lost what little trust he had after Dorn confronted him about the visions he had confided in Fulgrim.
Pre-Isstvan V Curze ran away from Vulkan and rejoined his legion, which made Dorn quite distressed when he found out that his orders to gather at Isstvan for the VIIIth had been received by Curze. This is in the Outcast Dead and the part with Vulkan in Artefacts, which is more than just one short story.

>>49195876
>>Logar/Magnus/Khan deep thinkers clique
Lorgar-Magnus and Magnus-Khan were definitely friendships, but I'm not sure Lorgar-Khan was ever a thing.

>>49199677
Dust (weathering powders or a very very light tan drybush over everything) does a lot. It especially cuts down the brightness of the hazard stripes.

>>49195876
It's a shame that the Lion and the Wolf never got to patch things up. I get the idea that Russ matured a bit after the Heresy.

>>49200811
Nah, he just got tired of getting his shit kicked in by everyone and fucked off to hell.

>>49198921

Oh that poor warlord, please stop hurting it

Is the land raider phobos just the standard 40k land raider from GW? Looking at what boxes to buy for my DG and just trying to make sure I get the dedicated transport for Deathshroud

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Land-Raider?_requestid=3389833

>>49200286

At this point anything that's not FW is a pass for me.

It just looks all so cartoony.

Fuck GW

>>49201411
Yeah it's a regular one, Phobos sounds cooler than MkII or whatever.

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>>49201532
If Phobos is MkII, what's MkI and what's MkIII? Because Phobos is the variant that has several marks just like how Proteus has different variants.

It's weird they couldn't just name the Proteus the MkI, armoured proteus as maybe MkIb, FW variant is the MkIIb and GW variant is the MkIII. Pic related could be maybe MkIc or something.

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>>49195876
>le emo Corax meme
Corax might have been a loner, yeah but friendships with Guilliman and Russ are at least somewhat implied in his background.
>Beat Guilliman at warhammer three times.
>When Corax wanted to punch Horus after they told him to suicide his legion at Gate 42 Russ was able to stop Corax and convince him to go along with the plan.

>>49200434
Corax also only really felt something for Curze because Curze reminded him of himself. He basically aknowledges that he would have ended up the same if he had crashed on Nostramo instead of Deliverance.

>>49199923
Makes sense to me - Pert and Magnus may have gotten on together, but I can't imagine the casualty-heavy tactics of the Lord of Iron would sit well with the smallest legion, which probably also had one of the lowest legion recruitment rates - we know gene-seed implantation-wise the IW's was the easiest and the BA's was the hardest (I think they even used Sang's own blood to try and stabilise it), but the nature of the Sons makes me think they're not much better than the BAngles for it

>>49202005
Sons, Ravens, BAngels and Emperor's Children all had problems. Which one is worst is a matter for debate

>>49202005

The TSons used psychically controlled Automata from the Arkadine Mechanicum to supplement their forces and take the bullets for them.

>>49202005
SW was one of the gene seeds with the highest rate of rejection, but maybe TS had similar problems as well, with all those emergent psykers and some flesh changes.

>>49200231

>>49202068
Hmm, wonder how/if that'll be included - super cortex controller?

>>49202052
Didn't know the Ravens had problems, but I think the Children's main issue was a lot of their gene-seed getting hit early on - once they got back up to strength I didn't think their were many issues

>>49202160
Flesh change and Perils probably did a number on them, yeah.

It's 2017 we should finally be getting Inferno, right?

>>49202389
>>49202389
Probably their praevians get even better bonuses or mechanicum troops can be taken with +1 generic boosts
>>49202005
TS only recruited from prospero so they were guaranteed psykers, and then used robots ask the foot sloggers, once they reunited with Magnus and he lost his eye they were actually pretty stable
So they would have bonded over BEEP BOPS and the final grand attack that overwhelms the enemy with minimal casualties as well

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I really dont get it

> shattered legions cant have a primarch
> including wounded corax
> t'd make loads of sense with the After Isstvan RoW

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>>49202628
Let me tell you about sneaking around whilst playing death metal and having flash lights on

>>49202628
Read deliverance lost, corax and the RG had plenty to do.

On istvaan, i was under the impression the loyalists were divided

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>>49202488
>Probably their praevians get even better bonuses or mechanicum troops can be taken with +1 generic boosts
I don't even care any more

>TS only recruited from prospero
Recruiting mostly from a single planet is stupid.
Even 40k chapters recruit from whole planetary systems, so not only it's hard to concieve a legion could mantain its numbers using a single source of manpower, but strategically detrimental, as it would mean a legion's ability to deploy dozens of thousands of marines depends on a single world, and the supply lines that are easiest to disrupt are those which are very definite and concentrated.

Huh, now I understand why Perturabo hated Mortarion.

Just look at Ultramar, and the Iron Warriors also used the whole Meratara cluster as main recruiting grounds, which coupled with their EZ geneseed allowed to pump out marines on an industrial scale.

>>49202628
>>49202720
Now I understand why Corax was scared about ending up like Curze.
Konrad Corax, Corvus Curze, the initials stay the same, whilst still having kewl nd' X-otik letterz in their names.

>>49195524
Turnip not furry enough

i'm interested in starting a solar auxilia or a (dark) mechanicum army
are the rules for the mechanicum condensed somewhere ? i get the impression that they are scattered about different books

>>49198921
What the fuck is up with the white lines?

>>49202963
Liked the idea of grey trim on the armor plates? I still havent weathered it, so the contrast looks more abrupt than it will be.

>>49201411
While the LR Phobos is the standard one, the LR MkIIB and the Proteus/Armoured Proteus are the standard ones for 30k. Nothing wrong with the plastic phobos though, just as there's nothing wrong with the regular Rhino.

>>49202931
>i get the impression that they are scattered about different books
Not any more. They're in the Crusade Imperialis pdf.
I downloaded it back when they posted it here as I'm always lurking. I forgot the link, however.

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LUPER-FUCKING-CAL

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>>49203475
no...

>>49198787
Speaking of beakies. I was thinking of using the imperial space marine as a specialist for my DG force. Now I'm not that concerned about a special weapons guy having a suit to boot, but would it be too strongly against established fluff? From what I understand the civil war was well underway by the time the armour was produced.

>>49203554
Fluff it as salvage from a looted corpse or a single tester wearing Artificer Armour

>>49203568
Aye that could work, maybe giving it more of a beaten look and perhaps signs of repurposing.

>>49203591
The armour was being tested as a prototype throughout the legions before the heresy broke out, so it'd make sense for a consul or maybe a kitted out sergeant to have it.

>>49201728
GW naming conventions are based on real life chronology and FW naming conventions are based on which model they're remaking.

Rhinos:
>1988 - 40k MkIb
>1989 - Epic MkIb
>1997 - Epic MkIb
>2002 - 40k MkIIc aka. Mars pattern
>2011 - FW MkIc aka. Deimos pattern, inspired by the 1988 Rhino
I don't think MkIa, MkIIa or MkIIb exist, the MkIb and MkIIc designations were probably based on "rule of cool".

Land Raiders:
>1988 - 40k MkI
>1989 - Epic MkI
>1997 - Epic MkII
>2000 - 40k MkIII aka. Phobos, sometimes called MkV, has dozens of variants both with and without kits
>2004 - FW MkIIb aka. Phobos(?), inspired by the 1997 Land Raider
>2011 - FW MkI(?) Proteus, inspired by the 1988 Land Raider
>2011 - FW Mk??? Armoured Proteus, inspired by the 1988 Land Raider but with MkII sponsons because why not
>2012 - FW Spartan, in-universe invented after Proteus and before Phobos, inspired by 1989 White Dwarf article for 40k
Not sure where the Achilles and Achilles-Alpha fit in.

Got most of my information from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvdD50nSISs with some supplementary googling.

>>49202160
Both SW and TS had the highest rejection rates, and both of their geneseeds was basically a death sentence since the flesh change/wulfen curse was inevitable

>>49200651
It wasn't; it's mentioned that Lorgar thought Khan was an uncouth barbarian

>>49203624
And wasn't there a bit about Iron Hands and/or Iron Warrios getting some suits for testing first ? I remember something about that, as they didn't like it at all and said "Let the new guy (Ravenguard) test it" to make sure it failed. Only for the Ravenguard to make the mark VI get qualified for full production

>>49204387
I'm now picturing a bunch of gene-seeds dressed up like ganstas with the text "the body can't even handle us right now."

>>49203693
>FW MkIc

Was it actually named the MkIc? That just throws the entire marking system right out the door.

>sometimes called MkV

As I remember, the Phobos has marks from III to XXVII. Where IIb fits into I don't know. Possible the IA fluff piece was made before the IIb or they imagine the IIb being different from the III-XXVII or something.

Quite frankly they just started the number so low and came up with so many new vehicles that they have trouble fitting them all in there. It's fucked and there's no fixing it without hard retcons left and right.

>>49202628

Because shattered legions is a shit-tier army only made so players can join their differently painted small forces to play an actual game

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>>49202628
I guess the idea is that a primarch should be able to find enough of his sons to field a monolegion army. And balance issues.

>>49201411
There are two looks for the Phobos: the FW Mk IIB and the GW Mk III. The FW model adds resin parts to the GW plastic kit – I think it’s not only the old-school armored sponsons (same as those on the Armored Proteus) but also a different hull top. The Mk IIB is based on the 3rd edition Epic 40,000 Land Raider (let’s call that one Mk IIa), which was the first time we saw what would later be called the Phobos. In other words, the first time we saw a Land Raider with front doors.

You can use either one (one of the FW books has a GW plastic kit in a background photo) but the FW model does fit in better. Especially for Death Guard – I think the Mk III’s sponsons look too modern for them. But it’s an extra $22 if you’re in the US.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/MKIIB-Land-Raider

>>49198052
Word Bearers won.

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>>49205389
There's also >>49201728, which lacks the hull gun, has MkI style wrap around tracks and the sponsons are separate from the side doors.

>I think the Mk III’s sponsons look too modern for them

Don't know why. Proteus, spartan, predator, sicaran, etc. all have sponsons that aren't in WW1 side turrets. I'm a little baffled at why we don't have Russ style sponsons on 30k Marine vehicles.

>>49202931
Mechanicum taghmata list should hold all the truths you desire

>>49204637
Yeah, that's Pert being all grumpy - he didn't feel the armour was up to scratch, wanting something more along the lines of a better Mk.III than the way Ml.VI improved on Mk.IV.

Given the Raven Guard were on his shit list after Gate 42, he felt that giving them the clearly inferior armour to test would mean that the design failed and his own ideas for Mk.VI would be picked up

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>>49202931
The choice is clear

>>49202803
Thousand sons only recruited from prospero as aspirants would already have minor psychic training and basically guaranteed to be psykers whereas everywhere else it was a needle in a planet sized haystack, and more likely than not they can't control their emotions so in their angsty teenage phase become a daemon rift, or they're empathic psyker and even then only for humans.
Although it's pretty much head canon when you think about how advanced they were in the disciplines, the fact they had their own forgeworld right next to them, they probably could have survived any siege xenos threw at them and the emperor himself would have defended the great psykers who would defeat any daemons if things went to plan.
Along with guaranteed psychic sacrifices like the emperor does in 40k, as it was Magnus who was due to sit on the golden throne and keep the webway open so they wouldn't have to use the warp anymore

>>49203475
>this fag again
Also your eye of Horus looks more necron than anything and only alpha legion is allowed necron stuff
>>49203132
Would you also accept unmarked chaos marine back packs ?

>>49205794
>Would you also accept unmarked chaos marine back packs ?
fuck no

>>49203693
Thanks man even scanon would be proud of your research and nerdieness

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>>49205794
>Would you also accept unmarked chaos marine back packs ?

I got two legions whose Breachers have those things, because fuck year extra thrusters for zero-g operations.

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>>49205828
This one minus the edgy spikes. I think in book 1 it's mentioned in the death guard section as a prototype in void warfare, so breachers could have em

>>49205880
T. me
>>49205843
Mein neger, I post mine and then when it updated I saw yours
Also if you did a blackshields army how would you model pariah armour, different marks slapped together with even more exposed cabling
>>49205828
Are you still ignorant

>>49205914
>ignorant
you dont know what that word means so stop using it retard.

they also had world eaters with sarum pattern helmets, does that mean people should use the shitty 20 year old csm kit in 30k?

>>49206003
>fluff and art support the use of X
>no way should you use X, because of muh feels

>>49206003
>they also had world eaters with sarum pattern helmets, does that mean people should use the shitty 20 year old csm kit in 30k?
yeah, why not?

>>49206057
because they look like shit

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>>49206083
ah okay, muh feels it is then

>>49205638
Does that Land Raider exist as a model? The illustrations in Visions of Heresy live up to the name – I’m not sure I trust them.

If you go back to the ‘80s and early ‘90s, all the Space Marine tanks had side-mounted weapons like the Proteus, Sicaran, and 30k Predator (i.e. sticking out on a circular mount), both in Epic and in the 28mm game. The 3rd edition Epic Land Raider was the only time those WWI-style sponsons were used on a SM vehicle. The “modern” 40k look is actually closer to the old ones, so it was the Epic look that was an outlier.

FW declared that those outlier sponsons were simply an up-armored version of the original designs, and I guess it makes sense that the extra weight is only worth it on the Land Raider. I personally like the look.

>>49206135
>The 3rd edition Epic Land Raider was the only time those WWI-style sponsons were used on a SM vehicle.

Did you just miss the Predator with the sponsons I posted? That was an official model they sold.

>>49203475
looks good, although sparsely decorated

>>49206245
Oops, yeah, I need more coffee. That would have been around the same time period as the Epic Mk II Land Raider (late '90s), but then they changed it up when the new vehicles came out in the early 2000s.

Maybe we'll see Predators with sponsons from FW later in the Heresy?

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Mr. “It is what it is”
Mr. “You’re gonna have a bad day”
Mr. (Anything to add?) – “Nnnope”

>>49206673
And listening to audio books makes you understand bolter porn better

>>49206592
Who knows. Maybe they make an "Armoured Predator" with the boxier turret and WW1 sponsons?

>>49206828
Yeah, they should. We already have Deimos- and Mars-pattern Predators, call this one... well, probably not Phobos (Mars's other moon) because that'll cause confusion. Lucius, maker of boxy things?

>>49205253
There is nothing wrong with this.

>>49200308
That's the Egyptian eye of aversion you dumb wanker American piece of shit

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>>49202720
>death metal

wew lad!

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According to an interview the other day, Graham McNeil says Perturabo would win a deathmatch between all the Primarchs

what do you think about this?

>>49207328
Well the strongest was Vulkan or Ferrus; the most vicious Angron; the most powerful Magnus, so I doubt it

>>49207328
That McNeil is hardly an unbiased judge of Primarch capabilities.

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>>49207276
I want to see Corax painted with 80's King Diamond facepaint

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyivPrecyGI

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senpaitachi, do you think the 40K Red Talons/Clan Morragul would structure themselves and take their culture directly from daddy Autek Mor himself? extremely rigid autocratic organization, arbitrary fits of violence and ruthlessness coupled with 'the flesh is weak' sentiment and general instability?

pic related

>>49207328
and yet he'll never be rogal dorn.

>>49207217
>Not understanding 40k's satire might imply that 'xenos' was not merely a term Europeans used for those from the colonies
WEW LAD

>>49207328
Obviously pertuabo has already ran these scenarios more times than others, as whilst the other Primarchs had to secretly run these simulation and then destroy all the servitors.
Meanwhile pertuabo just rolls up to his friendly local gaming lodge as he does every Saturday

>>49207057
The armoured proteus is just a proteus with some extra bits. Armoured Deimos would just need new side panels and box sponsons, as well as a boxier turret. Armoured Mars would only need box sponsons and turret. Maybe use the same sponsons and give the Mars pattern mounts that go over the doors to fit the sponsons onto it.

More likely that we'll just get Armoured Deimos, if anything, because fuck anything that's not FW OC, donut steel.

>>49207328
In his own book Fulgrim told Perry he was the mightiest of them all.

What a fanboy.

Pert doesn't even have a primarch kill like Dorn.

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>>49200456
>>49201505

When models have been sculpted by FW, but you see plastic and you immediately go full retard.

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>>49207217
>doesn't recognize Eye of Isha
>inb4 "magnus dindu nuffin"

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>>49207819
Try the Eye of Horus instead Anon.

>>49207328

we all know Perty would lure the primarchs to a certain point, where he happened to have buried several plasma generators which then, quite unfortunately, are overloaded.

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>>49207871
You posted the wrong picture.

Also, no tear on that one, unlike the one on Ahriman and Eye of Isha.

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>>49207525
pls repsond

>>49205774
>TK only recruits people with pskyer potential.
That's even dumber. They should recruit a lot and eventually get psykers due to sheer volume of recruits combined with statistics.
And the things you can teach to children you can still teach to your aspirants.

>>49206673
Who are you referring to, specifically?>>49206703
Same question about the audiobooks. My ears NEED bolter porn.

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>>49195012
I like the deepstrike mishap

>>49208188
>Mr. “All day!”
Michael on Radio Free Isstvan
>Mr. “It is what it is”
Ryan on Radio Free Isstvan
>Mr. “You’re gonna have a bad day”
Michael on the Eye of Horus podcast (different Michael)
>Mr. (Anything to add?) – “Nnnope”
Mark on the Age of Darkness podcast. They do a lot of fluff discussion and that’s clearly more JP’s realm (the main guy in the cast) than Mark’s, but JP keeps prompting Mark when the latter has nothing more to say.

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With the release of the Secutarii Titan Guard (>>49204210), I'm now wondering just how close the Mechanicum's Skitarii will be to the Skitarii of 30k - they're said to be Mechanicum-level ancient, but they're very similar (for fairly obvious reasons) to 40k Skitarii

>>49207328
Duh, of course the guy who wrote 30k would list-tailor against his brothers.
He's also be the only one who would bring a Typhon to a Primarch fight and actually get shit done, rather than get them locked in a duel all game long

>>49208274
Dankeshan

>>49208188
You might like the Age of Darkness podcast and (more so) the After Ullanor podcast spend a lot of time talking about books and fluff. The Age of Darkness guys only talk about novels that have been out for at least a year to avoid spoiling things, and they find some interesting ideas in there.

>>49208274
the guy on Geno Five Two podcast keeps saying "fast forward' wtf

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>>49208445
I wouldnt be surprised if Skitarii were a traitors only army considering they are the army of Mars and are loyal to the Fabricator-General.

>>49207988
The name Wadjet is derived from "wadj" meaning "green", hence "the green one", and was known to the Greeks and Romans as "uraeus" from the Egyptian "iaret" meaning "risen one" from the image of a cobra rising up in protection.[6] Wadjet was one of the earliest of Egyptian deities who later became associated with other goddesses such as Bast, Sekhmet, Mut, and Hathor. She was the tutelary deity of Lower Egypt and the major Delta shrine the "per-nu" was under her protection.[6] Hathor is also depicted with this eye.[7]

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>>49207988
How can a nigga be denser than Osmium, I have no idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus

>>49209204
With the time of posting it's probably an Austrian - a lot of the 40k autist Aussies who don't have the money to play but jail sit around on autism buxs have migrated here hence the decimation and other crap

>>49209245
>probably an australian
Nigga, it's 4:30 pm here and the ground isn't spiders.
>I'm retarded, out of ideas and I can't stand being wrong, so I'll use ad hominem.
How does it feel to be 30k's cancer?

Can someone explain to me the appeal of 30k vs 40k?

How is it not boring as shit if it's roughly the same as 40k but with only Space Marines and Chaos fighting each other?

>>49207525
>>49208011
They did just that, Red Talons are to Iron Hands what Iron Hands are to other chapters.
Brazen Claws may be another offshoot from papa Mor's fleet as they share the same heraldry and ruthlessness.

>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Red_Talons#Known_Engagements
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Brazen_Claws
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_Medusa
Sons of Medusa have been formed out of all the Iron Hands and successor Moirae dissidents other than Red Talons' - they had slain the heretics, more on it is in Imperial Armour 10.

I’m confused by this whole Skitarii thing, both in 40k and 30k. Years ago, I understood the Skitarii to be infantry belonging to a titan legion. Ever since mid-WWII (bazookas and other weapons with shaped charges), infantry have been effective against tanks so tanks have needed cover from friendly infantry. Therefore titans have infantry support.

Then the HH stuff came out and the Mechanicum had tech-thralls and myrmidons as their human(ish) infantry. No conflict there. But 40k then got Skitarii that belonged to forge worlds rather than titan legions. And now 30k is getting… what, exactly? Do we know for sure yet how these new units are organized?


>>49209245
>it's probably an Austrian
literally Hitler

>>49209393
Because YOUR DUDES, minimum level special snowflakes. And everything keeps on getting retconned, so the ride never ends
In book 60 we'll find out these were all simulations planed out by the Lord of iron to combat all possibilities and 40k is him thinking what would be the benefits of more modular forces.
Also gets rid of Eldar and tau spam so the playing field is more balanced and you don't have to take specific things to check others.

>>49207721
Neither does Dorn :^)

>>49209448
>Also gets rid of Eldar and tau spam so the playing field is more balanced and you don't have to take specific things to check others.
Perty for Warmaster.

>>49209393
Every legion is really quite different to one another when you play them, and due to them having the same basic units available the balance is much better (e.g you cant come up against a triptide list with eldar allies).

Not to mention everyone here is much more concerned with having fun and making lore styled fluffy lists, rather than going WAAC.

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>>49209393
>only Space Marines and Chaos fighting each other

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>>49209462

>>49209393
A lot of people fled 40k as the balance between factions continued to get more and more ridiculous. The fact that in 30k most fights are marines vs. marines means it's automatically much more balanced than 40k, and so many consider it a better game. Still enough uniqueness between the legions to keep things interesting though.

Don't ask about the admech.

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>>49209393
>Can someone explain to me the appeal of 30k vs 40k?
No Tau or Eldar. Think about it.

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>>49209175
>>49209204
>>49209245
People come to a thread about the Warhammer 40,000 universe and totally ignore the lore of the setting. What did you think was going to happen? In 30k and 40k the Eye of Horus is >>49207988. There hasn't been any use of the Egyptian Eye of Horus, unless you can find examples if one.

The closest symbol to the Egyptian Eye of Horus you'll find in Warhammer 40,000 universe is the Eye of Isha, used by the craftworld Ulthwé. It's different from the Egyptian Eye of Horus by the fact that it has a tear (symbolizing the Tears of Isha) in the corner of it. Tear we can see in the symbol on Ahriman's armour.

Ulthwé is famous for its use of seers and warlocks and TS are famour for their psykers. Ahriman himself is very keen on breaking into the Black Library. Why is it so hard for people to even amuse the thought that his armour might have an Eldar symbol on it?

>>49209060
Know no Fear has skitarii fighting alongside the Ultramarines, so not everyone got the memo

>>49209436
Skittari were the biological side of mar's armies as even machines can falter.
All the tech priests and everything else originally come from Mars, who then set up shop and terraform other planets.

So while the skittari are stills Mars army in 30k it's the slow descent into decentralisation and dilution of power. Hence why in 'know no fear' there are skittari adjoined to the tech priests of calth.
Skittari along with Grav Technology was meant to stay in 30k, with the skittari of 40k meant to be really imperial guard with bionics. But then GW saw money in a small range that could easily be sold, so advanced skittari appear in 40k again.
Tech thrall are really just servitors with slightly more advanced programming, whilst myrmidons are just tech priests with guns
I'm guessing hoplites are meant to form phalanxes around the Titan feet so they can't get swarmed, and the peltasts outflank and pick out enemies behind cover. But yeah expect more skittari upgrades
This is probably barely articulate so ask and I'll try to rephrase it

>>49209544
>TS are famour for their egyptian motifs. Ahriman himself only ever cared about the Black Library after the razing of Prospero. Why is it so hard for people to even amuse the thought that his armour might have an egyptian symbol on it?
FTFY

>>49209544
Fuck off
They do know some of the old stuff especially the thousand sons
Prospero burns - Hausar and Navid talk about the eye of aversion the wadjet
Fucking autists like you should be banned from Warhammer it triggers your autist shit too much

>>49209593
I'll get a page reference later but I thought they were attached to the tech priest who finds a cure for computer virus AIDS IN SPESS, and then they guard the female tech priest he fell in love with >>49209597

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>>49209597
>Skittari were the biological side of mar's armies as even machines can falter.
Get a load of this guy.
Machines don't "fail", it's meatbags who don't know how to properly treat the Machine Spirit.
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>>49209393
Cooler Knights without wraithkinghts, although knightanon's knight is pretty cool

>>49209689
I am a firm believer in beep boops.
But i forget why did calth get fucked up, was it because people sacrificed themselves to create scrap code
OHH YEAH

>>49209746
>I am a firm believer in beep boops.
Ok then.
>why did calth get fucked up
You mean the WBs initiating the warpstorm and poisoning Calth's star, turning it radioactive boogaloo?

>>49209671
The fabricator is the top general - with the forges of Mars each lead by lower rank generals
The outer forgeworlds have lower rank generals with loyalties to him via the central forge or one of the other forges whichever founded them
However as in real life wars especially civil wars generals and colonels have big enough egos to spit off on their own and do their own thing make their own choice
Quite a few see Kalbor as traitor so they don't need to obey him and their forces obey them due to chain of command and personal loyalty

I get what you’re saying. We do have guard-like armies hereand the Mechanicum has a much wider range than in 40k, so it’s not all marines… but the story really is about them.

There are upsides, though. The game isn’t suffering from 40k’s current problems: it has no formations, no grossly overpowered units or armies, and most underpowered units get fixed sooner than in 40k.

Second, its limited scope allows for more inherent balance. The sheer variety in 40k means there’s a strong paper-scissors-rock effect between armies; you need a high points limit in order to cover all your bases.

Third, the community is different. For some reason, 30k is attracting more players who care more about the narrative than being competitive. Maybe it’s because there’s much more specific fluff for this period – it’s more akin to historical gaming. Or maybe the cost involved has drawn an older audience (not sure I buy that theory myself, but it’s common). Either way, it’s a more close-knit group with a lot less animosity than you see in 40k communities. That’s actually a little scary because it suggests that you CAN actually have a happy customer base at prices higher than GW’s.

Finally, it’s fun because the story is still unfolding and every new chapter means we get new releases. And they’ve been good releases. It’s getting increasingly difficult to find niches for new units in 40k, and a lot of recent additions have been odd or ugly. The Land Speeder Storm was the last time I thought highly of a new Space Marine release…

>>49209490
Alpharius just staged his death so well that even the writer believes it.

Because Just As Planned xD

>>49209843
Forge World has a much better way to handle the game and the fluff than GW. It actually feels like they are really passionate about the thing.

>>49209866
Alpharius staged his death so well even he believes it. He currently thinks he's Silonius who was Alpharius for a while.
He thinks he's a butterfly dreaming of being a man.

>>49209894
Goddamit when are we getting a FW rulebook to fix the clusterfuck that is 7th? Please GW just let the based FW team write 8th edition

>>49209628
>>49209632
It's amusing that people going full sperglord over the matter are accusing others of being autistic.

So why does the symbol have the tear instead of being a plain Eye of Horus?

>>49209436
No, anon. The Skitarii don't belong to a Titan legion, they directly belong to the Forgeworld, responding directly to their Planetary Governor-equivalent, the Archmagos Intendant.

The Scutarii (not Skitarii) are the Titan Legion's Infantry.

The Skitarii may indeed fight alongside the god machines of the Colegia Titanica and even of the Centuria Ordinatus, but that doesn't mean they're directly oathed to them.
Also, scutarii hadn't been implemented in the game just yet, so there's that too. Expect some retcons to fill in the blanks, and report to the mind-scrubbing center nearest to you. Afterwards the steps are very simple, and no further explanation is needed.

Praise the machine god.

>>49210055

I think the Skutarii have been renamed as the Secutarii.

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>>49209967
>Calls people autistic and sperglords
>"Gee, you gais are so mad!"
I don't know, anon, why do their stuff looks egyptian instead of looking like the rest of the Imperium? It's as if they had their own aesthetics or something!
>>49210087
Skitarii, Scutarii and Secutarii are different things.
HH3 p.205.

>>49210127

There's no mention of Secutarii on that list. There's mention of Magos Secutarii acting as command and control officers, but nothing of the Secutarii Titan Guard. I think they decided to rename the Scutarii, otherwise these new releases would be called Skutarii Titan Guard, because I'm pretty sure Titans wouldn't need both Skutarii and Secutarii supporting them.

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>>49210224
Magos Secutarii are indeed command and control officers. Codex Skitarii has some mentions of them directing the Skitarii in their duties.
I blame GW for this, I'm a Reductor and the only thing I care is to be pointed in the right direction in order to smash things, that's all.

>>49210224
Your scrapcode is mallignant, I meant to say "Magos Secutors of the Secutarius"!
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>>49210301

>>49210352

That doesn't change the fact that it seems the Skutarii have been replaced by the Secutarii, because we now have models for the Titan Guard/Military Retainers, and they're not called Skutarii.

>>49210380
Never heard of "Skutarii", and Secutarii are Scutarii to me. Both are "the shield bearers", as Secutors were gladiators who had shields called "Scutum" (escudos).

They are the Titan's shields.

For what it’s worth, Scutarii comes from the Latin word for “shield” (scutum) and refers to either a class of gladiators that used them or a guard with a shield. Secutores were another class of gladiators who also had a shield, but their name comes from the word for follow/chase because they were always set against the trident+net guys and had to try to win quickly because they were carrying more weight.

>>49210612

I'd actually like to see FW produce a 'Secutarii Skutarii Squad' armed with Swords that act as the hand-to-hand fighters of the Secutarii. I also want to see a Secutarii Toxotes squad with long-ranged guns as well.

>>49210380
Yeah, I have to wonder what's going on - my thinking so far is that, much like the Legio Cybernetica changed post-heresy, the Scutarii (Titan Legion foot guard, probably the same as skutarii) have evolved into the Secutarii (still titan foot guard, but less independent and closer to the "standardised" skitarii found in the M40)

But that's just guesswork

>>49210646
Hmm, indeed so. I love it regardless, it's like spanish to me. Seguidores and sScuderos. But it's the "tarii" in Secutarii confuses me. I know of Secutors and Scutarii, but not Secutarii. Are they the "Chase bearers"?
>>49210654
Gladiators are "the ones with swords (gladii)". They already have Secutarii Hoplites for melee, and Peltasts for ranged. But I'm at a loss at what Secutarii Gladius and Toxotes (archers) would do.

Again, I love I played Age of Mythology

>>49210750

Hoplites are both melee and short ranged (They have a Shooting attack) so Secutarii Gladius would have no shooting ability whatsoever and be dedicated melee fighters with a higher WS and special rules to make them more effective in combat. Peltasts are short ranged, so Toxotes would be halfway between them and normal Skitarii Rangers, perhaps with an anti-air attack as well (Aircraft are one of the biggest threats a Titan has to face. See taros for a clear example of that.)

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>>49210820
I see now.
Hoplites would be the """heavy""" infantry used to take and hold ground, exemplified by their rules
Gladius would be +WS, probably with +1A and...Crusader, perhaps?
Toxotes having AA capability sounds great, probably the biggest threat to Titans.

Damn nice, anon.

>>49210892

I like to spitball ideas.

Secutarii Gladius
.....................................................................
150 points
WS 5
BS 2
S 3
T 3
W 1
I 3
A 2
Ld 8
Sv 4+
Unit Composition
• 1 Gladius Alpha
• 9 Secutarii Gladius
Unit Type
• Gladius Alpha: Infantry (Character)
• Secutarii Gladius: Infantry
Wargear
• Secutarii war plate
• Gladius Warblade
• Scutum-Mag shield
• Kyropatris field generator
Special Rules
• Doctrina Imperatives
• Feel No Pain (6+)
• Crusader
Options
• The squad may include:–Up to 10 extra Secutarii Gladius.........+14 points per model
–The Gladius Alpha may take items from the Melee Weapons, Special Issue Wargear and Relics of Mars lists (see Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus – Skitarii)
• The Gladius Alpha may have one of the following options:
–Enhanced Data-tether............................................+5 points
–Omnispex ............................................................+10 points

Secutarii War Plate: This confers a 4+ armour save.

Gladius Warblade
Weapon
Range Melee
Str +1
AP 3
Type Melee, Rending

Scutum-Mag Shield
The Scutum-Mag Shield differs from the Mag-inverter shield in that it is designed for assault rather than defence. It can unleash blasts of energy forward to disorientate and stun enemies on the charge. The Scutum-Mag shield provides its bearer with a 5+ invulnerable save and, in addition, they count as being armed with Assault grenades.

>>49210750
>I know of Secutors and Scutarii, but not Secutarii. Are they the "Chase bearers"?
Latin words ending with –us get pluralized with –ii; it’s the second declension. Secutor is a third declension word, so it gets pluralized with –es.

Secutarii isn’t proper Latin. We just have to accept that.

>>49211114
>WS5
>that melee weapon
nah

>>49210127
>Calls people autistic and sperglords

Oh bullshit, I didn't call anyone anything until people started attacking me for daring to suggest the obvious Eye of Isha was an Eye of Isha.

But whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

>>49211217

Have a better option?

>>49211114

Secutarii Toxotes .....................................................................160 points
WS 3
BS 3
S 3
T 3
W 1
I 3
A 1
Ld 8
Sv 4+
Unit Composition
• 1 Toxote Alpha
• 9 Secutarii Toxotes
Unit Type
• Toxote Alpha: Infantry (Character)
• Secutarii Toxotes: Infantry
Wargear
• Secutarii war plate
• Toxote Launcher
• Kyropatris field generator
Special Rules
• Doctrina Imperatives
• Feel No Pain (6+)
• Relentless
• Blind Barrage
Options
• The Squad may include: –Up to 10 extra Secutarii Toxotes..........+15 points per model
• The Toxote Alpha may take items from the Ranged Weapons, Melee Weapons, Special Issue Wargear and Relics of Mars lists (see Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus – Skitarii)
• The Toxote Alpha may be equipped with one of the following:
–Enhanced Data-tether............................................+5 points
–Omnispex ............................................................+10 points

Secutarii War Plate
This confers a 4+ armour save.

Toxote Launcher
The Toxote Launcher is an galvanically accelerated mini-missile launcher designed to engage hardened targets that even Peltast Kinetic hammershot cannot easily take down. With their advanced guidance systems, the Toxote rockets are also highly lethal against low flying aircraft and skimmers and Toxotes are often found engaging enemy aircraft that dare to strike at their charges.

Weapon
Range 48”
Str 7
AP 3
Type Heavy 2, Skyfire, Interceptor

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>>49211141
>Secutarii isn’t proper Latin. We just have to accept that.
Then I'm going to set my headcanon at "Secutarii are the Titan's mortal retinue, their shields, who follow them" and say they are the Titans' guard.

>>49211114
I'm not sold on their Scutum invulns and quiropraxis shield. They should be deadlier in melee than Hoplites, but less resilient to ranged fire.
How about no Kyropatris, but add a/some mobility rule(s)?

Like Fleet/Move through cover.

I like the Mag Scutum being opposite of the Mag inversor, that's nice.

>>49211296
>But whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
But it's plain day!
And the Eye of Isha is the Eye of Horus, the original one, by other name. The Eldar have a hard boner for "Dying race". If only they finally comitted to finish dying for once.
Those anons did call you things, did overreact and you are right on that one. If it helps any, I merely called you Osmium-dense, which is at least stable, unlike Iridium.
So, at least on my side, let's agree to disagree.

>>49211346

All Secutarii have the Kyropatris field generator. It seems to be a universal rule for all of them. That's why it isn't removed. The Mag Scutum could act like a Combat Shield, so a 6+ Invuln at range and a 5+ in Close Combat, perhaps with it also acting as an additional close combat weapon for the extra attack?

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>>49211458
Let's also agree to forget our images in our comments.

>>49211471
>All Secutarii have the Kyropatris field generator. It seems to be a universal rule for all of them. That's why it isn't remove
Alright
>The Mag Scutum could act like a Combat Shield, so a 6+ Invuln at range and a 5+ in Close Combat, perhaps with it also acting as an additional close combat weapon for the extra attack?
Very well then.

>>49211320
"Toxotes" is singular, Toxotai the plural. The way you wrote them are overpowered: Heavy 2 Relentless AP3 Skyrife Interceptor weapons with 48" range?
Nope.
Make them AP4, BS4 non-Skyfire, but give them a rule to pick Skyfire at will, give them Interceptor, and a special weapon they can take one in each five. The Daedalus launcher, a weapon with two profiles:

>Focused
Str 9 AP1
Range 36"
Heavy 1 Skyfire
Yes, the Focused profile always has Skyfire
>Dispersed
S6 AP2 Large Blast Heavy 1 Range 24"

You could call it Helios instead of Daedalus, given how it's the sun who killed Daedalus' son, Icarus.

>>49211740

Helios is the Land Raider, so Daedalus launcher is a far better name.

Now all that needs to happen is for this to end up in FW's lap somehow. If only we had someone from Holland who is attending the FW European Open Day next month.

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>>49211320
>>49211740
Now I want to make a Gastraphetes (a belly crossbow) squad. They could be snipers that have the Lumbering Advance rule (no Run, no Sweep)

We already have Defensive Heavy infantry (Hoplites), Offensive Infantry (Gladii), Skirmishers (Peltasts) and dedicated Interception units (Toxotes).

Do you think there's still a niche the Gastraphitas can fill?

>>49211740
>Helios
The AA Land Raider is Helios

A special weapon seems to be against how these guys are equipped - they look to all (bar the prime) be the same

Skyfire weapons would be a good way to lock them into an AA role, letting them have strong guns that aren't OP, as long as they're not Blasts

>>49211940

Short ranged, high strength anti-Terminator squad for keeping heavy enemies off the Titans. Remember Lysander's Terminator Titan Hunters? A squad to counter them, and also kill Knights and Dreads that try to melee the Titans to death.

But don't Onager Dunecrawlers already fill the AA/AntiTank niche for the Skitarii? They were invented by Arkhan Land, meaning they have existed before 30k

>>49212002

Secutarii aren't Skitarii. They don't use the same weapons and equipment. Besides, Onagers would be left behind by the Titans, they're too slow to keep up.

>>49212002
No, iirc the M.U.L.E. was built by Land. The Onager was a weaponized variant of it made far later.

>>49212002
Maybe, but these aren't Skitarii - these are the dedicated Titan-protecting troops of the Secutarii (and possibly the Scutarii)

That said, they were developed in parallel to the Skitarii, so they might have an Onager variant

>>49211975
>>49211990
Ok, what's the Titan's enemies?
Hordes and TEQs.
The toxotes already cover interception and AA, so it falls to the Gastraphetes to cover the former two. I say then don't give the Daedalus launcher to the Toxotes, and make the Gastraphetes a blast template weapon, maybe with Rending.
>>49212019
>Onagers would be left behind by the Titans
They have Scout, and it's not like infantry can move 12"
>>49212024
The Onager is a tool of destruction "tempered in the fires of history", and the M.U.L.E. "proved so successful it was SOON rebuilt as a weapon of war.
>>49212049
I have problems when understanding unusual tabletop factions like Tempestus, Inquisition and Skitarii, sorry for using them as interchangeable.

I mean, if Adeptus Titanicus' Secutarii has all it needs...why would they ally with Skitarii?

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Anybody got a pdf of the Crusade Imperialis redbook?

How much would you guys figure the actual game part of B@C is worth? I got a buddy wants to buy mine, just the rules/board/dice/cards, not the minis. All unopened if it matters. I don't want either of us to get fucked but I have no idea how to price it. I'm thinking $20?

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>>49212113

Knights are an enemy of Titans as well. It's mentioned several times in the fluff (And during the Battle of Manichea, as seen in pic) that Knights can nip through a Titan's fire and using their Reapers cut the Titan's legs to shreds, toppling the Titan. And while Hoplites could be the Anti-Knight defense, I'm pretty sure the Knights would just walk right over the top of them.

>>49212191
Heh, Titans in turn could be preyed on by Mechanicum battle automata. Or at least I remember a Knight felled by multiple battle automata.
Your filename however makes me wonder about your identity...

>>49212120
Srry buddy, I tried to put the Crusade Imperialis pdf in the MEGA, but I don't have writing rights over it.

>>49212390

It's been mentioned that FW plan to have the Secutarii as a standalone though small army in its own right, a bit like how they plan to do the Custodians/Sisters of Silence.

So with that in mind, Hoplites and Peltasts are troops, Gladii are elites, Toxotes and Gastraphetes are heavy support.

Know No Fear has Fast Attack covered:

They’re coming up on Titans. Titans marching down the highway towards the port, single file.
They trudge. They are immense. Outrider gun-carts and skitarii speeders with flashing lights surrounding their feet, waving Ventanus wide.

So Secutarii Gun-Carts or Speeders as Fast Attack.

As for the filename, I have the raws from all the books and I post from them.

I have the new weapon set for my Warlord in my hands, but im not quite sure on how to paint the plasma effect on such a large scale. Any tips?

>>49212548
Saint Duncan has done a video regarding the plasma glow on GW's official channel. Do that, but scaled up.

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>>49212548
I would just do it how FW does it. If you don't have an airbrush, don't bother with anything else.

>>49212580
That would look retarded as fuck.

>>49212580
i feel like that wont scale well. I have an airbrush, but im not sure if i should go withe the classic blue

>>49212652

This >>49212586

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>>49212507
>It's been mentioned that FW plan to have the Secutarii as a standalone though small army in its own right, a bit like how they plan to do the Custodians/Sisters of Silence.
This is awful.
Codex Inquisition sucks, Codex Tempestus sucks, and I don't want the Secutarii to be weird as well.
If anything, I'd like them better than Skitarii, who are caracterized by a lack of proper HQ. Secutarii could be centered around a Titan, having the Warlord special rule akin to the Leviathan alternate FOC.
As for Custodians and Sisters of Silence, maybe it'd be best if they remained as Agents of the Throne rather than mini armies of their own.

>Know No Fear has Fast Attack covered. Outrider gun-carts and skitarii speeders
This is nice. Will a faction have grav chariots? Hopefully it'll be Custodians. I'd also like to see the Imperial Jetbike non-Scimitar one they are riding in Brotherhood of the Storm, akin to Sammael's.

>As for the filename, I have the raws from all the books and I post from them.
I don't know whether you're Archivebro, The Scan Anon or something, but you think you could upload Crusade Imperialis and the latest version of the Legiones Astartes book to the MEGA? I can't do it.

>>49212760
Only if that Titan includes Knight Titans, as then they wouldn't be a proper army outside of ridiculous points levels.

>>49212760
Pretty sure Secutarii are just going to be additional Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus army units in Imperial Armour 14 along with Red Scorps and Tau. I doubt FW is going to write more rules than those two units for IA 14.

>>49212798
Oh plus they'll be bringing over Mechanicum models from 30k into 40k in IA 14 as well.

>>49212760

As it happens, I have one of those.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/meqp1hn5sa3d6gt/The_Horus_Heresy_%E2%80%93_Crusade_Imperialis_-_Army_Lists.epub

>>49212798
Honest question, could someone explain to me why Cult Mechanicus is different from Skitarii?
As in, Skitarii are the armies of the Forgeworlds at the behest of high ranking Magi...and Cult Mechanicus are Magi with servitors and robots...so why can't they be together an an army outside of "Bring allies, buy the models!" and "Bring War Convocation formation bullshit, buy the models!"

>>49212783
I don't know how to solve this.

>>49212120
Here, good anon has provided you.
>>49212855

Who can edit the MEGA? We should have a compilation of the books, and as of today some are outdated or missing.

>>49212870
>Honest question, could someone explain to me why Cult Mechanicus is different from Skitarii?

GW just wanted to sell you two codex books instead of one. Is the rumor still floating around for a combined Skitarii/CM/IKs codex?

>>49212891
Isn't the MEGA outdated? If you look at the MEGA in the 40k General, it's different now. Either update the OP here or get in touch with whoever is running the new 40k General MEGA.

>>49212927

It's got the wrong copy of Conquest in it.

>>49212927
But I can't update the OP, that's what I'm saying. I'm just an anon (one of MANY, you mute lot) who has the Crusade Imperialis pdf that was converted from the epub back in the day, and I can't upload it to either the MEGA or here (because it's too heavy).

>>49212905
So, it wouldn't be too wild of an idea to house rule it/gents agree to use those codices combined together?

plastic spartan soon

>>49213025
if I were playing a 30k game against somebody using the standard force organization chart for those two codices I'd happily play them as long as they didn't use War Convocation.

>>49213120

In your wildest dreams anon. Alongside lewd Primarchs and Iron Warriors actually getting something.

>>49213120
I wish. a plastic spartan would reaffirm my decision to buy a caestus from FW, because GW is never making a plastic kit for that.

>>49213120
Along with the plastic Warlord.

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>>49213163
>tfw no giant Primarch gf, only Bittershafting.
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?...

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What are you guys working on tonight. I'm making my Fists more yellow then hopefully going over it with a varnish or something. Also hoping to learn how to tank as a demon hunter.

>>49213120
Would that be before or after the plastic thunderhawk is released ?

>>49214034
after. plastic thunderhawk is out before xmas
>>49213840
the yellow looks fine bro id just give in and paint them yellow, maybe leaving some parts steel.

also im not working on shit since im out of primer

>>49213248
Fulgrim is actually a girl, the Emperor just never got around telling it to her.

>>49213840
Nice work knight anon! Slap on some IF transfers and they will be dandy!

>>49212855
yay!
It's not a pdf or mobi, but I can easily convert it. Thanks!

Anons I have fallen in love with the Knight Acheron.

>>49214094
>>49214398
Thanks guys. Should decals be the absolute last thing I do? Like never touch them up after?

>>49214619
You can do things after decals, just make sure you seal them first. You should be sealing them after applying them anyway.

>>49214619
You should do decals, then weathering if you want to, and then seal it.

>>49207328

He's the GM; he can do whatever he wants.

>>49213248

Malcador played the Emperor like a damn fiddle.

Thunder Warrior Squad:

Squad Size: 5-20 8pts each
WS:4 BS:3 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:3 A:1 LD:7 Save:3+
Special Rules: Thunder Warrior

One Thunder Warrior may be upgraded to a Champion for 10pts (+1atk, +1LD)

Wargear: Tonitrus Bolt Carbine, Bolt Pistol, Frag And Krak Grenades

Any Thunder Warrior may take an additional close combat weapon for +2 points per model.

One In Three Thunder Warriors may take one of the following:
Heavy Stubber: Free
Flamer 5pts
Rotor Cannon 5pts
Autocannon 10pts
Missile Launcher 15pts
Lascannon 20pts
Power Weapon 15pts
A Thunder Warrior Champion may take any of the following:
Artifier Armor +10pts
Melta Bombs +5pts
Nuncio Vox +10pts

If the squad numbers ten models or less you may choose from one of the following to take as a dedicated transport:
Legiones Astartes Drop pod
Rhino
Land Raider Proteus or Phobos

i wish there was a right of war that let you DS terminators without needing to be forced into being drop pod only.

>>49215380
Zone Mortalis, Hammerfall Strikeforce, Erasmus Golg with Orbital Assault.

>>49215462
i mean a generic one

>>49215469
Like Orbital Assault? Just use Assault squads as troops if you dont like drop pods.

>>49215501
no. like one that allows you to run tanks AND ds terminators.

orbital assault is shit

How are GW decals compared to FW ones? I've accumulated a lot of night lord transfers from plastic CSM sets and was wondering if they'd not blend in as well as FW legion transfers.

Just saw the rear of the Thunderhawk in the 360 view on FW's site.

... It ain't pretty. If that is the best they could make of their show model, I'd rather scratch build one.

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The yellow looks more orange in person, but I've got shit lighting in my room for taking big pics. Really liking how the color contrast is coming. Feels like I have an actual Imperial Fists Armored Breakthrough. Albeit a budget newbie one.

>>49216006
Now for the careful Abaadon Black stripes, and your Iron Warriors chevrons will be done!

>>49216006
Looking much, much better KA. Now take what you have learned and apply it to a whole model and see what you come up with.

>>49216006
>imperial fists
>silver
?

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>>49216053
>>49216063
Still set on doing this scheme. The decals instead of hazard stripes will help the brand recognition.

>>49212951
ScanAnon did provide us with RAWs for Conquest for the first time two or three weeks ago when some of us asked for better quality links. I have them saved but I've never made a .PDF file out of images.
If anyone could suggest a good program so the size is within reasonable limits and I can include bookmarks, I'll be glad to do it once I get home from work (~8h).

>>49216006
Your Iron Warriors are coming along great anon.
Memeing aside they look really good now

>>49216094
This whole thing got started because you did a mistake when painting Black Templars.
Do you think in the future you'll get back to them? Back to the original plan?

>>49216354
Thanks dude. Your honest opinion is valued, so I'll allow you to sell me on my next legion. Not Iron Warriors.

Anyone have experience fielding Iron Warriors with a Librarian? I'm probably going to be rolling with on regularly in my lists for the buff potential.

>>49216396
Do full Roman-style Ultrasmurfs

>>49216396
Iron Warriors.

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>>49216386
This all started because I tried to match the yellow on my imperial fist/Templars to the neon yellow on my knights. And it went fucking poorly because I did Celestra Grey to flash gitz to seraphim sepia. Now I'm just repainting my knights with a darker yellow to match my current army. But I'm glad how it all turned out six months later...

>>49216396
How about Word Bearers for a little irony? Seeing as the Black Templars came to worship the Emperor so soon after the Heresy. Plus Saint Duncan has even done a tutorial on how to paint them too.

Make their eyes blue.

And so you can have faith, Word Bearer.

>>49216396
Maybe you should do one of their Sworn brothers.

>>49216396
Iron Warriors.
>Not Iron Warriors
But why? Fine, then I'll second >>49216450

Paint their eyes green so we can trigger anon's autism though.

>>49216428
>>49216450
>>49216485
>>49216488
I wanna do an army that I can easily spray a base color for, so white red or blue preferably since those are the current GW cans out (I actually wanna play this army before 2017) so my three top picks are Blood Angels, World Eaters, and now Ultramarines because holy shit Roman stuff makes me erect.

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Has anyone else experienced the comedy troupe better known as the plasma support squad? To date, this squad has done nothing but fail spectacularly and hilariously.

>has yet to live past turn one
>often deals more unsaved wounds to itself than what it shoots at
>I once had it get hot 6 times, fail 6 armor saves, then fail the leadership check against itself and flee
>I started pairing it with a divination libraian, who can never seem to actually cast anything on the squad
> said libby once periled, got a 1, failed leadership, and self-terminated, and opponent managed to deny the spell anyway.

>>49216587
That's why I go with volkite support squads

>>49216587
I think your biggest mistake was not rebasing to the bigger sizes. I keep forgetting how tiny the old marine bases are!

>>49216552
Do Roman Ultramarines

>>49216552
Pick a playstyle you may have fun with

>Want fast choppy? WE or BA
>Want mechanized troops that fight better together? UM

>>49216587
Who is sabotageing you, anon?

>>49216646
as much as I like the roman aesthetic, I think I need a break from mechanized anything. if I have to build another rhino chassis I think I'll have a mental breakdown.

>>49216667
Have faith, Ultramarine

>>49216611
I know this Alpharius-lover IRL, and he started this army way before the change to 32mm, and he adamantly refuses to change because of the sheer size of his army.

>>49216667
Have faith, Ultramarine.

>>49216226

He provided those within a few weeks of the book coming out. It just happened that a bad camera version was released shortly beforehand, and his version was never distributed and vanished from sight.

>>49216661
It's all good, I always get a good laugh out of the squad.

I play orks in 40k, so my squads detonating under stupid conditions is something I am very, very used to.

>>49216846

And both threads, as it happens.

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/36336010/

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/36435186/

Praise be to Archives.

>>49209393
1.) rules are better

2.) Models are better

3.) The conflict has a more epic feel with high stakes and drama

4.) More interesting characters present like Primarchs/Emperor

5.) Can still unofficially but easily put Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks, and even Necrons in 30k. My FLGS groups all do it.

>>49216442
That's looking good! Quite a journey, huh.

>>49204818
>Was it actually named the MkIc?
M8...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/MKIC-Deimos-Pattern-Rhino

>>49213840
God fucking dammit Knight Anon, when I link you a video on how Duncan makes yellow look good I don't expect you to do the first step, varnish it and call it a day.

Get the basecoat evenly into the recesses
Pinwash with Agrax Earthshade
Clean up the bronze parts
Edge highlight with Hexos Palesun/Flash Gitz Yellow (optional on infantry, necessary on vehicles)
Glaze with Lamenters Yellow

>>49216587
The most tragicomic part is that they're minimum 32.5 points per model.

>>49211114
>BS2
even rust stalkers are BS 4 brah, this makes no sense

>>49216587
Brother, you need the Big A on the feild
>PE means you never need worry about gets hot
>if they are within 12, enjoy that +1 BS!
>in a pinch you can hide him in the squad for the surprises bitch slap
Primarchs are love, Primarchs are life

>>49218891

Big A has a habit of losing his head though.

>>49218966
He will never be the head of a black crusade.

>>49216587
Why are their bases so small, also are you drop podding them in or foots logging
>>49216396
Do blood Angels because nipple assault cannons > nipple armour
>>49216415
Why are you training your mind to wield the warp when you could train your mind on the trigonometry of artillery, butter brother
>>49216063
>what is bare ceramite
>when legionaries betray each other vox codes are more important than colours
>>49216006
Looking great KA, as always you da man
>>49214607
Why not the Atrapos?
>>49213120
OVER MY COLD DEAD BODY
Then SpessMehrens would get even more units whilst chaos was left in the dust again
Also you'd get more power gamers in 30k rather than fluffers
>>49213163
>implying we won't get Fulgrim prolapsed when he finally gets rid of the daemon
>>49212927
Yeah the non legion book is black not red
>>49212905
Combined codex mechanicus was a rumour awhile ago, so we might finally see it, or it was just a no name emailing in
>>49212174
Take averages of selling eBay lots, that's how trading cards work
>>49210750
'Tarri' is probably just them wanting the bionicaly advanced infantry to all sound the same
Or it a reference to (tau'ri) from star gate sg1 which was the name for humans

What's the general consensus on HH novels? I'm at "Shadows of treachery" and so far there have been a few notably solid books (Mechanicum, Legion, Fulgrim), but a good part of them follow the same plot over and over.

>Introduce a legion
>Standard_mission.jpg
>Something weird happens
>Good guys meet bad guys who are still not revealed as traitors
>Trap is sprung
>Good guys lose but they kinda weasel out of being completely beaten

It's like blue balls - the series. That bit about Imperial Fists fighting iron Warriors was the worst, I guess.
Also I did enjoy the portrayal of the Emprah after a few spoilers about him have been revealed.

>>49219266

That format ends once there's a clear delineation between Loyalists and Traitors.

>>49216587
Welp, that's actually something I needed to hear. Been trying to justify *not* taking a Plasma Squad for the sheer points cost, even if it fucks anything on paper.

>>49219302
Best thing I've read this week, thanks Anon.

>>49195544
this is amazing

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who would make good grandmothers for the primarchs?
> got one for corax

>>49216587

That's why volkite, flamers and even melta exist, alphafriend.

Funny how all the most terrible players ive met / the most unlucky armies i've known are all Alpha Legion.

Alpha Legion is one of the less straightforward, hardest legions to play. You adapt to the enemy and not the other way around.

I'd NEVER EVER take a plasma squad. For what purpose?

>>49219560
>Alpha Legion is one of the less straightforward, hardest legions to play.
really?

they have legion wide infiltrate and have preferred enemy with alpharius. and they can steal anything they want with coils of the hydra.

they are probably the easiest legion to list build

>>49219587
>they have legion wide infiltrate
Doing it wrong.

>>49219587

They're pretty vanilla unless you exploit them to the max, which very few people do.

Things like having unique units from other legions are a very rare event on games.

The whole legion also doesnt infiltrate, and Alphas have no clear "death star" units in general.

Their rules aren't that awesome either, they're good on paper but very restricted in practice

Alphas are one of the most tactical-minded legions.

I've played and won with Salamanders just moving forwards and burning / melting everything , but you can't do that with Alpha Legion.

>>49219753
>not infiltrating a spartan with alphameme, 10x firedrakes and a primus medicae
>not also infiltrating 6 rapier laser destroyers
>not also infiltrating 10 volkite culverins and 10 plasmaguns
>fuck it, just fill the rest of your list with preferred enemy plasmaguns
guaranteed to alphastrike the opponents deathstar completely off the board turn 1, then run roughshod with firedrakes

>>49210127
So you're claiming the TS just added the tear to their own Horus-Eye-motif and it just happens to be the Eldar eye motif?

>>49219774
>The whole legion also doesnt infiltrate, and Alphas have no clear "death star" units in general.
firedrakes in an infiltrating spartan with a medicae and alpharius is easily one of the strongest death stars in the game

preferred enemy firedrakes are insane

>>49219794

How could I make Alpha firedrakes?

My main concern are the storm shields, but also the hammers.

Should I use Salamanders helmets or just regular cataphractii

>>49219794
Out of curiosity, how much does that deathstar cost?

>>49219812
its comparable to any of the other big deathstars, except it will rape them.

the only way to make a comparably pointed deathstar thats better, is to abuse invisibility.
>>49219809
if i played alpha legion id just paint the firedrakes in alpha legion colors. all the scales and shit would work well as alpha legion

>>49219835
No, im not saying anything about its effectiveness or anything, im just curious as to how much that goes for, since i never use deathstars, and rarely play games at higher points than 2500.

>>49219845
its like 1350 or some shit, maybe a little more

comparable to any of the other big primarch deathstars, except its better than them, and is totally redundant since 6 rapier laser destroyers and like 20+ preferred enemy plasmaguns will delete most deathstars turn 1 anyway.

alpha legion is the brute force alpha strike legion, they are like raven guard on steroids with deathstars

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>>49218966
Too soon brah, too soon.