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Oblig: Traitor's Hate repost

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>not "chaos isn't eldar tier, thus traitors hate is ghazkul tier" edition

>>49192894
So is this the first time the explicit wording of "X Battlefield Role" has come up?

How do I kit out a Tacmarine Sergeant? Combi-weapon, I know, but what about Melee weapons?

Power Fist?
Power Sword?
Chainsword?
Plain old Combat Knife?

>>49192999
no. Its been a standardized term since the start of 7th

>post yfw Fenris isn't getting a second book and the Space Wolves arch-enemies didn't even bother showing up for the book about the Space Wolves almost getting annihilated

>>49193018
i recommend kitting him out with a black dick in his mouth, because loyalists like that

>>49193018

No, nothing.

Not even a combi weapon, what the fuck use is a weapon you can only shoot once?

I mean, unless you design your units about fluff instead of MAX OPTIMISATION then just do whatever desu.

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>>49193086

>>49193033
Really? Odd that I've never noticed that wording before. Oh well, I have the dumb.

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Any Blood Angel players who can help me figure out how to expand this collection? With the possibility of Blood Angels getting a decurion, I figured it was time to help my sister actually make a decent list. So I was wondering what models she should buy in the future to expand her army in a way that'll help her now and possibly when the next supplement hits.
She has a Librarian, Astorath, Sanguinor, 2 Death Companies, Jump Chaplain (played as Lemartes), Sanguinary Guard, 20+ Tactical Marines and a Rhino.
I figure she needs more transports, some Dreads and Dante and/or Mephiston, but other than that I have no clue what to recommend to her.

>>49193139
off the top of my head, at least, the warrior/wych elite upgrade uses that term (may be upgraded to true born, changing their battlefield role to elites)

>>49193086
I don't collect either army, but I was really looking forward to the Space Wolf vs Thousand Sons grudge match. I hope that they're just holding on to it to coincide with the HH Inferno release. although I doubt it.

How viable would the new possessed formation, a nurglemace prince and the warpsmith + three land raiders formation be?

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Thoughts on my black legion list?

Was 2k points but had to take out mah land rayder formation.

>>49193197
Tried to trick Army builder into doing Traitor's hate stuff?
Nearly pulled it off, too.

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>>49192894
finally, a way to field defilers without a bunch of other things

>>49193106
>le ebbin "what good is a combi-weapons" may-may

Based on advice from last thread, here's my updated KT:

SoB KT 200pts

Celestians x5
Flamer
>Specialist - Infiltrate
Heavy Flamer
>Specialist - Exploit Weakness
Superior w/ Bolt Pistol and Chainsword

Dominions x5
Melta x3
>Specialist - Eagle Eye
Melta
>Leader
Veteran Superior w/ Bolter and Bolt Pistol

I went with Celestians because they have Furious Charge, Ld 9, and 2 attacks base for only 5 points more than a battle sisters equivalent.

>>49193195
It's shit. Either the Land Raiders are blowing up transports, in which case they aren't getting the Possessed into combat, or they're getting the Possessed into combat, where they'll be forced to attack transports and promptly get shot to death by the occupants.

Don't worry though, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you that the new formations are excellent and you'll be fine.

>>49193086

That's the kind of off the wall bullshit that the Thousand Sons need! How do you feel about having your soul bound to a suit of armor, son?

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I want to pick one start collecting box to play some kill team games at LGS and paint the minis with my Age of Smegma paints . Which one should I buy? Tau and Space Wolves seem to be a decent choice with pretty varied miniatures pool in their sets.

1500 pt tourney coming up at my lgs at the end of the month. First one for me. Maybe ITC or Nova rules. Lot's of hard hitters because I live in Virginia. Been getting my ass handed to me by the tau tourney guy at the shop for practice.

1500 Grey Knights with allies

NSF formation:
Brother Captain, psycannon - 170

5 Terminators, hammer, psycannon, meltabombs - 200

1 Dreadknight, greatsword, h. pyscannon, h incinerator, personal teleporter - 225
1 Dreadknight, greatsword, h. pyscannon, h incinerator, personal teleporter - 225

IK Oathsworn Detachment:
1 Knight Warden - 375

Librarius Conclave Formation:
Chief Librarian Tigurius - 165
Librarian, m1, force axe, stormbolter - 70
Librarian, m1, force axe, stormbolter - 70

1500/1500

Idea is to have 4 different units/threats that are hard to kill for the average unit, as well as dish out firepower. Will struggle hardcore vs msu armies on objectives though.

>>49193325
Chaos Space Marines just got an awesome, powerful, and revolutionary new supplement. You should pick them.

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Does anyone here use flyers often?
I'd love to use this thing but I doubt many people keep AA handy

>>49193325
tyranids and orks are the 2 strongest armies right now

also their start collecting boxes have the best value

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>>49192894
Holy shit, is this stuff actually almost kinda maybe just a little not utter garbage?

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>>49193449

>>49193239
>Why dont my formations let me kill my opponent with no resistance or obstacles at all waaah

>>49193468
You're right it's not complete and utter garbage. It's still shit that does fuck-all to actually help the faction.

>>49193411
I tried to use my xiphon interceptor a few times, but most people at my shop don't like to play against flyers, so I just keep it around if someone else brings their own flyers.

>>49193508
For casual games it actually looks like it could make it FUN to play CSM for a bit

>>49193449
Nice maymay bro :^)

>>49193508
We went over this. Imagine how stupid you look to ork players right now

>ALL units in the formation get objective secured
neat, but not that neat

>>49193088
>chaos shit talking any army
>when they're celebrating over getting some mediocre formations, including one shitty version of the loyalist ones

>>49193529
its not a meme

they actually are the best kill team armies, and their start collecting boxes do have the best value.

>>49193563
There start collecting boxes do not have the best value.
And eldar still exist, so no, they are not the best kill team army.

>>49193594
>There start collecting boxes do not have the best value.
they do
>And eldar still exist, so no, they are not the best kill team army.
they are better than eldar

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>>49193553
Remember, Chaos Space Marines can't have Drop Pods, because that would just make them spikey loyalists.

>>49193614
>Orks - Total: $129.50 with savings of $44.50
>Nids - Total: $133.75 with savings of $48.75
>Tau - Total: $141 with savings of $56
So no

>>49193685
>saves like $50
>not a good value
just keep flinging shit at the wall

im sure itll start sticking sometime

>>49193710
His point is that Tau have a BETTER value than they do.

And in terms of effectiveness, Tau also has a leg up.

>>49193614
>they do
No, that would be skitarii. Who give a saving of 56 dollars, compared to orks 44.5$ and nids 48$. So no. Not best value. By 8$.

>>49193530
Anyone that thinks that getting fucked over by GW is a zero sum game is a retard whose opinion isn't worth noting. GW has more than enough shit to give all the NPC races a good smear.
>>49193527
The free boon every turn working with the roll twice benefit is neat, and should be fun for casual games. It's just a shame that they did fuck all to fix the army's issues and the faction is still fucked on the competitive scene. This release also blows all the formations released with the BL and CS reprints back into utter irrelevance, which is just an extra slap in the face.
>>49193503
Powerful factions like Eldar, Space Marines, Tau, and AdMech getting better formations than shitty factions like Orks and Chaos Space Marines is bullshit, shitposter-kun.

>>49193710
You said BEST VALUE - not GOOD VALUE. Pls stop this cancer, save it for your family or something

>>49193614
not him, but how would orks or nids even deal with a few windriders backed by warp spiders? I mean the speed and maneuverability alone seems disastrous for nids and especially orks?

>>49193710
>claims something has best value
>get proven wrong
>hurr durr it's still a good value.
Nobody said it wasn't a good value mong. But it's certainly not the best value.

>>49193325
unfortunately most of the start collecting boxs have one MC or vehicle you cant use in kill teams

>>49193678
Remember, 30k Marines do get drop pods, because who the fuck wants to play CSM without all the cool loyalist shit?

>>49193710
Nice goalpost shift, shitposter-kun.

>>49193594
>And eldar still exist, so no, they are not the best kill team army.
can't split fire in kill-team, outside of one specialist

Hordes and toolbox units like deathwatch/sternguard are the more useful dudes in kill-team.

>>49193786
Chaos Space Marines already have drop pods in the fluff and there's no thematic reason that they shouldn't have them in-game.

>>49193791
>can't split fire in kill-team, outside of one specialist
Yes, and? Every man for himself is a thing.

>>49193775
by having like 40 models

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>>49193449
>>49193563
Actually I would like to play a Nids army but their SCBox looks poorly compared with other boxes. I mean, I want to play for fun and shit so only 3 types of minis? No, thank you

>>49193821
Maybe if Chaos ever had drop pods the model would look less fucking gay than the loyalist one.

I can't be fucked looking at all those photos and the tiny text on my phone. Is there a Death Guard/ Nurgle helpful formation in there?

>>49193872
>csm models
> ever looking better than loyalist equivalents
Yes, stick spikes and weird shit on loyalists models, that looks sooo much better
in all seriousness, there are a few that look better, but for the most part GW design strategy for chaos is that

>>49193898
no cult anything except berserkers

This is a chaos undivided release fag

>>49193086
>>49193260
Honestly the Sons need something. I'd argue that the only reason people like them is what they were like pre-heresy and their paint scheme.

All they do is get jobbed by the Wolves with an unclear recruitment or replenishment method. Magnus is getting rekt by BL and with him gone maybe even Magnus-posting will die out (One can hope). Ahriman is still stuck almost doing something worthwhile I guess, but retcons so who knows.

The Rubric was supposed to be a power up for those that survived it yet theres no sense of how scary it should be to come across one of these guys.

>>49193833
>Yes, and?
It means you can't just apply scatter lasers and death spinners to your problems.

Killteam is far from balanced, but the typical eldar strengths aren't what breaks it.

>>49193930
M80 if I didn't bumlove all the spikes and weird shit I'd play another army.

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So how would I turn my Scion Army perfect for HoA kill team into some GW rules would like?

Some people I know would rather play it so yeah :P

I have 2 Scion Squads and a command squad at my disposal with a offico perfectorum commissar aswell

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I started playing in 2nd Edition, when Chaos was one faction. Chaos Space Marines, Daemons, and even the Lost and the Damned were all contained in one book. A daemon prince was a true nightmare on the tabletop. Heck, I could even include stuff from Imperial army Codexes for a points cost markup.

My question is this: Is Chaos in a better place now than it was back then? Can they do more? Or are they more limited?

>>49194063
Chaos are absolutely cucked and I'm saying that as a Chaos player.

>>49194063
>Is [army] in a better place now than it was [in 2nd edition]?
no

>>49194063
Chaos overall is in a better place.
Chaos space marines just using the GW stuff, not so much.

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HEY

NIGGER

YOUR EMPEROR IS A CORPSE LOL

WHAT ARE GUARDSMEN EVEN FOR IF ANY CHICKENSHIT CHAOS SPAWN CAN KILL HALF OF THEIR REGIMENT LMAO

YOU FUCKING NIGGER CUNT


AAAAAH KURWAAAA XD

>>49194030
One or two threads ago we discussed it, basically here's your list:

Militarum Tempestus Scions

Troops - Scions - 100
2x Plasma Gun

Troops - Scions - 100
2x Plasma Gun

Give your plasma gunners specialist things to make them not die (preferred enemy, master crafted, feel no pain).

You could also run a platoon of them out of the IG book if you really wanted a Tempestor, but having one extra wound, WS 4, Ld 9 may or may not be worth it.

>>49194114
NO DROP PODS
EVER YOU FUCKING SHITPOSTER

>>49193976

I actually like Rubrics but dislike the pre-heresy Thousand Sons/Color Scheme

But then again I like Rubrics so take that for what you will

>>49193858
And guard can have like 60, so I guess they are the best of the best.

>>49194171
>bs2
>t3
>best of the best

>>49193018
depends on what you want from him

If yo have a 5 man team with melta a combi melta is good, to have a better chance to do damage. A Meltabomb might be handy, too and not too expensive.

If you have a 5 man team with a missile launcher in the backfield, ever point for upgrades is wasted, vet-sarge- shooting weapon etc.

If you want a midfield unit to clear out enemy not-so-strong infantry or support your heavier hitters a powermaul might be good, to get some S6 attacks which are useful against vehicles (almost all have rear armor 10). It might also be a good idea to 'intercept' a challenge for an ic especially by a model that hits before the ic does

normally I would suggest to save on points as they wont get into melee with anything where a weapon would make a difference.
Meltabomb is always something to consider, coz cheaps and you get a second grenade attack as its one grenade per unit and per type

>>49194191
Well it's so easy to tie people up in combat in KT that you could have 2 dudes per MEQ and then just focus-fire whoever's open.

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>Abimtoo babimtoo le for the emproneh xD

What did he mean by this? Could he mean that he's a fucking cunt and a whore? Could it be possible that Space Marines are the shittiest faction in all fiction? Could he mean that everoyne who likes them is a faggot?

Anybody got the Kill Team rules download? I downloaded it but I can't find the file. Maybe I didn't. I know I had to fuck around with readers to read it...

Any help would be appreciated.

>>49194117

Fuck I only have one plasma gun each in my models eh ill just say one of the hotshot lasguns is a plasma gun.

>>49194161
Just the idea or the execution? Cause honestly I cant think of a single piece of fluff where they 'achieve' something.

Also not shitting on you. Thats just my opinion from talking to 1ksons fans.

>>49194191
>he says
>while defending fucking orks
I2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08CPnOxcdn0

fuck Imperium

>>49194191
Stick a priest in that mob. When it comes to tarpitting they really are the best of the best.

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>>49194226
>>49194114
>you will never be this buttmad

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>>49194226
they are pretty much generic religious knight fanatics.

>>49194117

Just plasma guns not HSVGs? I like the list but I guess plasma is better and less cumbersome than the volley guns

>>49194246
>t4

30 orks would beat the shit out of 60 conscripts

>>49193161
Drop pod would be good. Also Razorbacks as you can easily make them dual use as rhino/RB
Landspeeder/ attack bikes with multimelta
Something that has ranged firepower
vindicator is something to consider, especially for BA due to being fast.


I would refrain from too many HQ units. Maybe get a cheap librarian with jumppack

>>49194238
If you want, try converting extra plasma guns out of the plasma pistols and grenade launchers.

You could also justify using HSVGs if you make the guy Relentless, since then he's got a 4 shot AP 3 bolter, which is nice.

>>49194246
orks have T4, which is relevant in 200 point games

that said, guard have way more variety

>>49193976
I love the idea of ultra-powerful sorcerers using the souls of their dead kin as golem bodyguards. I also like the pre-Heresy Sons. It's a shame that the one is absolute garbage and the other doesn't exist yet.

>>49194296
Yeah, you're getting the same number of shots (since you're on the move all the time in KT) with better strength. As I said in>>49194313
though, you could make the case for an HSVG as your Relentless specialist.

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>>49194117
>plasma guns with PE
>not volley guns with relentless
You do remember that 3+ is as low as armor saves can go, right?

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>>49194114
>>49194226
>>49194250
Holy fuck, Poland, calm down. God damn.

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How obsessive do you get with making your own character models? Do you just use GW's kits or modify them? Do you make your own?
I've kit bashed a full libbie conclave, three techmarines, and am going to end up doing a few more librarians for the deathwatch because I just have so many parts for them

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In the previous thread, someone was talking about running Crimson Slaughter with the Traitor's hate Possessed Detachment (1 Daemon Prince + 3-5 Possessed), and then taking Malefic Daemonology to give the Possessed 2++ (3++ from one of the Possessed mutations which you get automatically, then Cursed Earth).
As long as you bear in mind that the effect of the formation happens in the Fight sub-phase, (meaning no beast movement UNLESS you roll that mutation in the movement phase anyway), it works. It's probably a better idea to make the Daemon Prince a psyker for Daemonology instead of taking a sorcerer for it; it saves points, and the possessed have to be within 12" of the DP for the formation to work anyway.

This is assuming you can field any formation with a Daemon Prince in it as Crimson Slaughter in the first place, as it's contentious as to whether or not you can - on one hand, Renegades of the Dark Millenium says "No Models *can have* VotLW", and Daemon Princes/every special character (also Thousand Sons, but nobody mentions them because they're so bad nobody cares just kill me now) come with it; on the other hand Daemonheart specifically says that it can't be taken by Daemon Princes, which would only make sense if you could take DP's in a Crimson Slaughter force anyway.
It's a grey enough area that you could argue for it with good grounds, in my opinion, and only the most anal cunts would throw a fit over it in the first place.
Though having said that, if you're fielding 2++ possessed, you may want to be ready for some grumbling from your opponent, in either a tournament or casual setting.
I reckon the formation is balanced though, even with Cursed Earth shenanigans. It relies on positioning, Possessed have no grenades, are expensive, are strictly a close combat unit, and you can always just shoot the fucking daemon prince anyway, same way you deal with Tyranid synapse.
TL;DR Crimson Slaughter + Traitor's Hate Possessed Formation + Cursed Earth = Probably Yes

>>49194353
It's the slav shitposter doing his new gimmick, just report and ignore.

>>49194304
I don't have the rules for KT, but is it possible to take Priests or Pyskers? If they could get that Rending power thing, it'd be neat.

>>49194350
And even with the HSVG's S4 you wound MEQs on a 4+, and can't even glance their Rhino except from the back.

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>>49194313

Alright so basically

its 2 squads of


3 hotshot lasguns
2 plasma gun master crafted while the other has feel no pain
2 HSVG relentless

>>49194408
>I don't have the rules for KT, but is it possible to take Priests or Pyskers?
no also everybody is an individual unit so theyd still be shit

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How do I start collecting Chaos Daemons?
I want about 500 points and like Slaanesh and Tzeentch.
Should be lots of horrors. A Daemon Prince? Or a LoC/FW instead? A Soulgrinder? Seekers? Fiends? Daemonettes? I dunno, guys. What's the most bang for my buck

>>49194433
Darn. Do you have the rules handy? I'm sure somebody has done it?

I'm very interested in this though, as it seems to be a simple system to have fun games with a bit more narrative behind them.

>>49193325
Normally the answer is imperial guard or be a coward, however in killteam the IG box is bad as the Leman Russ aint allowed. (33 armor combined, pffft, Russ has 37)

demons would allow you to use them in both aos and 40k

SM is bad as neither the termi could be used nor the dread, so is CSM for the same reasons.

tau is good. one 5 firewarriorteam with rifles and SMS-turret for long range,one 5 man breacher team and crisis as heavy hitters
a second fw rifle team might also be good

>>49194239

Hats and play style of Relentless Implacable Doesn't Afraid of Anything.

But ya. In the fluff they get shit on all the time.

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>>49194355
I make my own. Made my own terminator libby conclave as well and a custom tigurius. Made my own draigo, and gk librarian, as well as multiple custom brotherhood champions.

>>49194429
you cant make 2 hsvg relentless

>>49194114
>>49194226
>>49194250
>>49194369
Holy fuck, I think we broke him. The asain has consumed him, nothing else is left

>>49194350
plasma guns can bust vehicles and wound everything on 2's

>>49194335
I think most people could get behind Magicians in space if as you said they weren't absolute garbage. Honestly you hit the nail on the head with
>It's a shame that the one is absolute garbage and the other doesn't exist yet.

It just amazes me that they haven't tried to cash in on it, especially when theyve set themselves up with the perfect spot to give them some love. Heres hoping Inferno isn't just them getting jobbed again, if its ever actually released.

>>49194369
kek even autoguns are better than their flashlights

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>>49194422
>>49194475
A HSVG will put out more MEQ wounds up to 24" than a plasma gun can at up to 12". HSVG also works tremendously better against every other kind of infantry. It's not about what number it wounds on; it's about putting out 4 shots every turn at 24".

Sure, it's not as great against vehicles, but there's only 1 option of a Relentless specialist anyways, so there's no reason not to take it and do the rest as re-rolling plasma.

>>49194473
I've kept off /tg/ for ages for people like him, is he a new gimmick shitposter? Or is he just one of the originals? Got Slav Shitposter, Carnac shitposter and a few others.

>>49194503
>>49194335
It's long been rumoured for them to be updated in Warzone Fenris: Part 2. Since, you know, Space Wolves + Thousand Sons go way back. So the suggestion is this is all a JUST AS PLANNED by 1k Sons to fuck over Space Wolves like they got fucked over by them. You know, by making them look heretical rather than them actually being so. Just like Emperor's order got changed to kill, not capture.

So, wait till then.

>>49194455
links to the epub were in the last few threads but i dont have the link handy

>>49193821
>there's no thematic reason that they shouldn't have them in-game

Yes there is. The "not being spiky loyalists" reason. Same reason CSM don't get any of the Legion stuff loyalists get. Because that crap was around when all legions were loyal and thus only loyalists should get to use them while traitors can get the bare minimum and then fill the rest with daemon engines and daemons.

>>49192894
DOES THAT MEAN MY FORGEFIEND CAN TRANSCEND REALITY AND BECOME A DAEMON PRINCE?

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>>49194403
i dunno but the wording at the top of the picture '' black crusade detachment are used exclusively by the forces of the chaos marines '' could mean this is only useable with core csm
but maybe i'm retarded, it's been a while since i've played and i'm not sure what wording they usually use

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>>49194355
I made my own Ordo Malleus Inquisitor last year so I could run him WYSIWYG.

How does it feel like to be a marine fan? Must be nice right? Being pandered to all the time just like those fucking WOC were in Fantasy, knowing that Emperor will most likely be reborn and Imperium will win because GW won't dare to piss you off and having an army that is always competetive.

YOU FUCKING BITCH

>>49194552
>I've kept off /tg/ for ages for people like him, is he a new gimmick shitposter?
Maybe? It looks like Al'kaps, but the lack of dumb frogposting, inability to keep stupid /pol/ memes in /pol/ and bitching about pods suggests other wise.
Just report, hide and ignore nonetheless. we've had a shitty past couple of threads, and b&ing people like him will help remedy that.

>>49194569

No. Two ways to get Boon rolls: Champion of Chaos and Boon of Mutation.

That formation does not give Champion and Boon makes you reroll Daemon Prince results (Because it's too powerful or something)

Source: Am Thousand Sons spammer and only derive joy from spamming boon of mutation

>>49194588
>YOU FUCKING BITCH
Legitimate kek

>>49194588
>How does it feel like to be a marine fan?
Good.
>having an army that is always competetive.
>space marine have always been top tier and completely competitive
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HA.
Sure, we've never been as bad as CSM are now, but that is fucking laughable

>>49194627
Shit, you're right

>>49194671

I know. I have spawned a Helbrute after I had to reroll Daemon prince on a boon before.

The worst part is the helbrute wasn't "Destroyed" so it's friends didn't get Rage.

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>>49194588
give em hell lad.

give em hell.

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guys i worshiped chaos and now theres a daemonete awith a dick following me everywhere i go how do i dispel it????

>>49193553
Nurgle bikers with obsec.

Tzeench termies with obsec.

Chaos jugger lords with obsec.

You are a moron.

>>49194453
demon prince alone is 250 upwards. In a 500 pts list however, you might get into That-Guy levels, especially if he gets wings.

Unfortunaly there is no Start Collecting set for either.
If you want it as start for a bigger demon band, I would suggest start with one squad of horrors and one squad of demonettes + a herald, as you need 1HQ and 2 troop choices.

Any word on the Terminator formation?

Khorne is the most boring god.

>>49194790
>Tzeench termies with obsec.
>terminators
>good

>>49194790
>You are a moron.
was that really necessary

>>49194813
We all know who the most fun is.
https://youtu.be/HsGRsDe3iRw

>>49194759
start worshipping khorne to have bloodletters make mincemeat out of her/him/it

>>49194813

>le blood and skulls xD

>>49194826
ironic since he thinks terminators are good. lmao

>>49194808

Still MIA, sadly. I doubt it will be any good since, well, Terminators =[

>>49194797
really? i would think that putting half your army's points into one unit (esp if you pay for the wings and the armor) would kinda suck ... plus ap3 against the warp forged armor. but i haven't played much 40k, so what do i know?
i could also get another box. what do you think of screamers vs flamers vs seekers vs hellflayers? they all seem like they have merits for killing something big/important really quickly

>>49194813
my favorite is slaanesh

>>49194849
Don't care anon.

I will use all of my Terminators without CAD tax or having people roll their eyes at me when I run unbound

>>49194403
It is literal. As in daemon princes in crimson slaughter do not have the rule.

Ffs you rule lawyers are annoying as shit.

How do IG Orders work with Kill Team? Does the platoon commander / tempestor prime just order individual models now, since each is its own unit? Does vox no longer work since the solo officer can't carry a vox-caster himself?

I think shoot-then-run is the only useful order in this format, but it still helps.

>>49194901
yeah mostly

>>49194849
But the raptor/warptalon one is ok. Charge the turn they arrive is what talons needed. Disordered charge means Khorne mark is nogood, so slaanesh or nurgle wth nurgle being the most useful. Also deepstriking meltagunraptors that can charge afterwards sound pretty fun.

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>>49194570
If you're referring to the "Restrictions" area, where it says that all units must have the Chaos Space Marine faction, that only means that every unit being taken has to be from the Chaos Space Marine codex; the Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion supplements are subsets, and part of, the Chaos Space Marine faction.
Anyone can field their Black Crusade detachment as Crimson Slaughter or Black legion units, or as plain old Chaos Space Marines.
>MFW Chaos Warband gives EVERY model in it Objective Secured, including characters and non-troops
I play for objectives every game anyway, suckers.

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>>49194562
Damn. Thanks anyway anon. I hope it'll pop up in a later thread. I don't want to hang around in this one, for obvious reasons. Have some cosplay as a thanks.

>>49194606
Yeah, this guy seems familiar. I've stopped coming because Carnac spends the entire threads copy and pasting stuff from new releases, twisting it to fit his headcanon, but worse of all, not spoilering the text, so I see all this shit ruined for me because he has to roleplay for (You)'s.

Wish he'd just get IP banned, he's a prick. So many people in /tg/ are pricks these days. /pol/ calling Trump 'God Emperor of Mankind' hasn't helped, meaning they have been coming in. /tv/ and /v/ are constantly coming in too (Carnac is one of them). It's just madness, anon. Then we get shit like >>49194835>>49194901. This thread is fucked. I just came to try and find KT rules so I could leave.

>>49194981
The large ears make her look abominable now I understand why Imperium is so disgusted by xenos they legit look fucking awful.

>>49194981
somebodys triggered

>>49194846
Three termies with mark of tzeench, a boon, and combi meltas are 137 points.

For that you get 2+\4++ with deep strike, melta, and power weapons.

In this formation they also get +1 leadership, preferred enemy marines, hatred imperials, and two rolls on the boon table during any turn.

AND THEY HAVE OBJECTIVE SECURED.

I know you guys like to circle jerk but that shit is really good.

>>49194903
problem is a spellthrowing flying dp is almost impossible to kill at 500 points. Need 6 to hit without skyfire and who has skyfire.

at 500points you should try to get something that can deal with light armor/dreadnaughts. so AV12 is what you need to open. I dont play demons, so i cannot suggest something.

>>49195020
>deep striking is really good
>relying on reserve rolls and mishap tables are good

>>49194949
neato, as casual csm player, that makes me very happy indeed. time for some CS daemon formation then!
also
>49194949
nice get, kinda

>>49195020
>http://s1331.photobucket.com/user/KhadorBlood/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved%20Images_14284838_10153865857293848_2003333056_o_zpsmr9lgei2.jpg.html
I dont see the rule for the terminator formation? Sounds fun but I want to see it for myself.

Can someone post the rules for the baneblade and its variants? The Shadowsword and Banesword both look really cool, and I want to use one of them.

waiting for plastic rubric marines and rubric terminators to start a tzeentch csm/daemons army

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>>49195066

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>>49195008
Not at all. Just made /tg/ unbearable. /tg/ has been fucked over so many times in the last 7 odd years I've just given up. I don't want to do it any more. Wading through shit for a few mins of normal stuff.

>>49195006
Not all of the Imperium is disgusted by them.

>>49194981
WHY ARE HER EARS AT HER JAWLINE!?

Is running a pimped out flying tyrant with 60 gaunts in a 500 pts good?h

>>49195006
some aftermarket company needs to make eldar ear necklaces

making them out of greenstuff would suck ass

dirty knife eared xenoniggers

>>49195089
This seems perfectly fine.

>>49195150
it doesnt even give free transports

>>49194904

In that case, Good for you!

I wish you the best of luck!

>>49195173

I said fine not retardedly broken.

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>>49195111
Probably attached to the facemask.

But I think it's just a perception thing, seem the right place here.

>still no Kill Team rules link

God damn dunno where I saved it and I can't find the old link I used.

Haven't kept up with the news in the past few months. Any recent evidence/rumors of an new Tyranid codex?

>>49195195
too bad there are at least 4 "retardedly broken" codices then

>>49195236
no but genestealers will probably be a thing

>Fluff : Terminator armour kicks serious ass and allows the wearer to fucking headbutt demolisher shells for laughs
>Game :"LOL look at that retard, he brought terminators ! Wanna surrender now or did you bring the lube ?"

It is hard to believe that anybody doing the rules at GW even plays the actual game

>>49195238
There aren't. Maybe 3, but realistically only one undeniably so, Craftworld eldar. Everything else is just shades of stupidly broken.

>>49195236
Levi Thieves are the next codex related. It's a supplement codex intended to give Nids some allies.

>>49195230
Here
filedropper
com/kill-team-2016

If somebody could put this in the MEGA I'd appreciate it.

>>49195279
not really, they just stopped playing all those Judas Priest albums and started watching anime

>>49195279
it's easy to believe

whoever was in charge of giving terminators their new, third edition stats had just come off an extremely unpleasant ass-reaming at the hands of someone's basic terminator squad

Question: What ways can CSM get 3+ invuln saves? I don't see storm shields in their codex (apologies if that triggers another Chaos Rage Session), but I'm almost certain they have a way to.

The reason for asking os to know if that + Mark of Tzeentch means they have a (relatively) easy way to get 2++

So uh, I have an 800 point linebreaker gake against nids coming up this week for our campaign and im pondering what would work best
So far the only thing im certain im fielding is 4 tactical squads with flamers because fuck gaunts, and maybe a predator to support them or a dual lascannon razorback to fuck up her big ass hive tyrant
That leaves round about 300-400 odd to work with and im wondering what would work best.
On the drawing board is jam a bunch of lascannon devastators in a high building and paste her tyrant /termigaunts on the other side of the table or spam dreads and some termis to deep strike in and get the linebreaker points.

>>49195332
>Question: What ways can CSM get 3+ invuln saves?
they cant

thanks GW

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>>49195230
Well, both the pdf and the epub have shitty quality. Of them, I think the pdf is more readable, and it's the only one I can offer you right now.

>>49194981
To be fair, it has been a very very bad weekend. Holiday plus new release for a shit codex that a certian shitposter loves is basically a perfect storm. By this time next week it'll be back down to normal levels of shitposting, so slightly less than other major boards.

Moreover, I don't think /pol/'s stupid shit about calling trump the emperor has done all that much damage to here. Don't get me wrong, it's stupid and anyone who does it is a major faggot, but most /pol/fags who come here to shitpost would be doing it regardless of that. And frankly, /v/ 40k threads are suprisingly good, esspecialy for a board like /v/.

>>49195332
IIRC mark of tzeench says it cannot push an invul past 3+.

>>49195332
Well Mark of Tzeentch cannot increase an Invul. save beyond 3++ as per the rule itself so that would be kind of a miracle

>>49195310
>>49195261
Oh, is this confirmed, or just super implied?
Are Levi thieves just more genestealer-stuff, or are they something new/different? Honestly, either way, sounds good to me.

>>49195279
You have it completely wrong
> Fluff terminators
Used to prove how powerful X weapon/xenos/hero is by completely defeating terminator armour. Literally everything defeats terminator armour.
> Crunch termis
used to demonstrate how powerful a weapon is by showing how well it does against termis. AP2 proliferation means literally everything beats terminator armour.

>>49195332
The only way to get a 3++ is to take a sigil of corruption (4++) and the mark of tzeentch for +1 Invuln. The only way to do this is on IC like a chaos lord or sorcerer, and for them marks are 15 points, so for a 3++ it ends up being 40 points (15 for MoT + 25 for Sigil).

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>>49195364
Wow. Thanks.

>>49195310
You too.

>>49195401
Didn't you see a few months ago? Genestealer Cults got models and rules. That's what will be release, apparently. It'll be a Codex: Tyranid; Genstealer Cults. Just like Codex: Eldar; Craftworld/Harlequins/Dark Eldar.

So basically it'll be the rules from White Dwarf plus unique warlord traits and maybe relics and shit. Basically for allying with Nids.

You remember these, right?

>>49194403
Crimson Slaughter is not allowed to take units with VotLW. Daemon Princes have VotLW. There is no confusion here.

The restriction on Daemonheart is just a left-over from the last Crimson Slaughter book, before they decided CSM needed more nerfs and restrictions.
>>49194564
We already are just spikey loyalists. Have you seen the Traitor's Hate leaks? It's absolutely retarded to pretend that Drop Pod access is the one thing that would tip the scale too far.
>loyalists should have more legion gear than dudes who literally fought in the legions
Never go full retard, it let's them know you're just trolling.
>>49195020
>preferred enemy marines
If you don't actually know what the rules for something are, why don't you kindly fuck off? That's over 40 PPM for a terminator. You're delusional if you think that's going to be good.

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>>49195364

I have zero issue with the epub

>>49192894
Warp Talons can charge from deep strike. They actually did it, the absolute madmen. Best give them Nurgle, probably, since it's a disordereed charge. Not Slaanesh since they're probably going through terrain.

>>49195510
Not him but I had to download another epub reader to get it to work.

>>49195364
Wow, what a complete surprise that it fucking sucks, and has literally no customization for your teams, aside from giving some special rule to one dude. "LOLGUYS, JUST USE THE ORIGINAL CODEXES, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WEREN'T INTENDED TO BE PLAYED AT GAMES THIS SMALL ANYWAY". I can't believe I had even a tiny shred of hope that it might be somehow decent.

I won't be buying this codex, thanks guys. My group will probably stick to playing Heralds of Ruin, instead of this rehash of the old 3rd ed book.

>>49195456
Oh, sorry. I thought there was another thing coming out in addition to genestealer cults. Yeah, I know about those.

>>49195020
keep the termis as cheap as possible.
For 148 I get four termis with combi-melta. No mark, no anything. Thats only 11pts more.
and remember power mauls and axes. Mauls against vehicles, axes against armored infantry, if they survive.

>>49195539
Odd. Awhile ago, someone suggested Kobo to me and I haven't had an issue since. In fact, I'm hooked on epubs now. Idk that I can go back to pdfs again.

>>49195550
Kill Team isn't a codex. It's a starter game. It's a small version of a starter box.

What did you expect, anon? It's for new players who want to practice small games.

>>49195558
Just the Genestealer Cult codex is the rumoured release. So the White Dwarf rules will be put in a book with fluff and shit. That's what will likely happen. As for anything OTHER than that, not that we know.

>>49195595
I know other people had problems with it.

>>49195513

or no mark as they are expensive enough as it is. And there still is a high chance they deepstrike out of charge range.

>>49195607

With Kobo?

I'm reading on my phone, which has a weird resolution, so many it actually works in my favor.

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>>49194911
If you can take Daemon Princes in any Crimson Slaughter list, those rules cannot be literal.
If "Can Have" is literal, it would mean that nothing in a finished CS list would have the VotLW special rule; Renegades of the Dark Millenium says nothing about a model losing VotLW if it comes with it, so if Daemonheart didn't have the restriction for Daemon Princes the clear interpretation would be that DP's/Special characters/Thousand Sons cannot be taken with CS.
I understand why "no model can have" can be interpreted as "if they have VotLW in their profile, they lose it", but it isn't explicit, and if that were the case then Thousand Sons would lose VotLW when other cult troops could take it, which makes no sense from a fluff perspective and is weird enough to be contentious IMO.
On the other hand, If models with VotLW in their profile can be fielded (as Daemonheart implies), but models without it can't be upgraded to have it except cult troops, then the exact wording should be "Models can't BE GIVEN the VotLW special rule" (especially as that's what the previous incarnation of the CS supplement was).
The rules interaction of Renegades of the Dark Millenium and Daemonheart with Daemon Princes cannot be literal without also being contentious; it has to be subjective. You can call me a rules lawyer, but I've had to argue this point with other people in real life during games many, many times, so I'm just making a point of providing my perspective and reasoning so other people can make a better informed judgement if this ever comes up for them. I don't give a shit if someone else fields a DP in CS.
Personally, I'd settle for losing VotLW on all my models as a compromise to a stubborn opponent if it meant we could just play the game, I'm not interested in fielding 2++ possessed anyway, but I personally think it makes more sense if DP's can be taken in CS lists, and they keep VotLW.
All of this could be fixed by GW with, literally, 1 line in an FAQ or errata.

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>>49192894
Does Path to Glory and Favored Scions make the Chaos Warband worth taking (over the more economic Lost and Damned)?
Does the Raptor Talon make the Dimensional Key worth taking?

While it's not the War Convocation solution I still think CSM need their detachment doesn't look like complete shit.
Still requires a fuck ton of point in near-useless or horrendously prices Chaos Lords however. And other assorted compulsory characters.

As a last note cool about getting Hate vs Space Marines two different ways, instead of say, preferred enemy.

Also I guess Cult troops will still have to wait their turn to become worthwhile.

>>49195364
Thanks. Does anyone know what a ghostarc counts as for armor value?

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>>49194849
>>49194904
Here you go lads. Glory to the Dark Gods.
(I want to try some of these formations just for fun, but damm this is making me want to buy more models.)

Anyone got a pdf/epub/etc of the new killteam rules?

Or do they even differ from the older 5ED i think their last time was?

Looking at least for the rules needed to build a legal kill team.

>>49195681
>Does the Raptor Talon make the Dimensional Key worth taking?
probably not, as you need to kill something before the Raptors come in for it to be effective

>>49195640
Nah I mean reading the epub and pdf. The text is smushed together so it's difficult to see where each word ends.

Shame, really.

>>49195718
We just posted them, anon. Read the thread. >>49195364 for pdf and >>49195310 link has the epub.

>>49195715
that's a cool rule

chaos terminators are fairly budget, too

>>49195742
Oh cheers, didn't realize you could post pdf's in /tg/.

Scrolled right past it assuming it was just a picture.

>>49195718
Someone just posted
>>49195364


>>49195715
Yeah free shooting attack on units commonly equipped with combi-weapons. Genius. *applauds*

>>49195715
OH GOOD. HATRED.

Thanks for the upload though, seriously.

>>49195715
why the hell do GW seem to think giving hatred to CSM is actually a useful thing to do? they have the easiest access to it of any army out there, so many different ways and they just keep stacking it on

When I was a teen I smashed the window of a hobby store and stole three shopping-cart loads of solo metal models and boxes.

The guy was sleeping on the floor in the shop with a baseball bath for weeks and had his bored elderly family "hang around" during day hours, even when it was packed with nerds.

He grew gray/white hairs and sold the store location to some shitty computer cafe chain that got infested by Somalians and immigrant dregs that would roam around the entrance and do 'rap battles' when they weren't yelling indoors about who killed them in DotA.

>>49195715
I feel like dragging out my crappily painted csm guys now...

>>49195733
Don't you roll separately for the different units of raptors? It could theoretically be useful for if you don't make all your reserve rolls.

>>49193325
I wouldn't recommend using a Start Collecting for Kill Team, but if you must;

>Space Marines
Pretty bad, Space Marines are best with Vanguard/Sternguard in KT
>Space Wolves
Better, but if you're doing it it's for the cavalry and you'll want (need, right?) more than 3 models.
>Blood Angels
Gives you no Assault Troops in an army of Assault Troops. Pass.
>Chaos Space Marines
Pass. Regular Marines aren't great, spiky or no.
>Khorne Daemons
Pretty solid, gives you plenty of options that are all decent
>Nurgle Daemons
Also pretty solid, they aren't great but gives you lots of options.
>Necrons
Decent, but it'll be bland. Better of getting something different.
>Orks
Hahahahaha
All joking aside, Orks are good in KT, but this doesn't play to their strengths (unless you want to fill the board with boyz)
>Nids
If you like Gargoyles, go for it. But no one likes Gargoyles, T3 and 6+ dies laughably fast
>Eldar
Scatbikes. You're a fuck, but you're a fuck that wins.
>Deldar
Just worse Scatbikes. Pass.
>Guard
Doesn't play to their strengths or give you 66 Conscripts. Pass
>Stormtroopers
Interesting option, not top tier but gives you a lot to play around with. Like the army itself, (in fluff at least) when a smart commander takes charge it's deadly, otherwise it's dead.
>Skitarii
Doesn't give 20 Vanguard or Infiltrators, just go buy some Peltasts and shoot without LOS.
>Tau.... Ew
Pretty great, either Fire Warriors or Crisis Suits are decent, not bad.


In summary, if you want to win then Eldar or Tau (wow, never heard that before)

If you want an army start, any SM, Daemons, Crons or Skitarii are best while still good in KT.

Any better players have critiques? I've only played as KDK, Necrons and SM in KT, so I could have missed something

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>>49195510
>It works fine for me :^)
I hate you and everybody like you. If someone releases a .doc file that can only be read legibly by opening it with an extension on google and not any regular document reader like Word, Office, notepad, etc., then it is a shitty doc file.

>>49195733
Fair. If you actually make use that means you have a unit that's coming in turn 3+ min. Not ideal anyway. Especially in competitive play that rarely seems to get to turn 5 anyway.
The formation is still really good as I see it, however.

>>49195715
thats total garbage 2bh

>>49195671
Just thought about it more, Crimson Slaughter not being able to field Thousand Sons isn't completely stupid from a fluff perspective as Crimson Slaughter is a mostly Khorne-aligned warband. But then, Mannon was a Lord of Change that influenced them, and some of the CS worship Tzeentch so that doesn't make sense either.
This is all making me really fired up at GW for not reading their own damn rules and not giving FAQ's and Errata rulings to things that are genuinely ambiguous.

>>49195114
Yep. Go for it. No one takes AA at 500. Just be ready for sour looks and some gaunts running away.

Is solo running nids with a tyrant and gaunts viable ?

>>49195800
>>49195783
Seems to me like this makes them good as surgical strike teams, continuing the Termicide approach, possibly deep-striking a 5-man unit with a heavy flamer next to a few objective holders or hordes.

Could these rules mean that a unit could drop in with combo-meltas, destroy a transport in their first round of shooting and immediately after use their next round of shooting on the unit that was inside? If the transport and the unit inside count as separate, the Termies could be useful at chipping away at an HQ or some bodyguards.

>>49195840
Grey Knights are meh. Interceptors do well vs 'elite' kill teams like marines, but won't do well vs high model kill teams or multiple vehicles.

>>49195780
You're welcome. It's a bit iffy to read some of the text, but the rules bit should be simple enough.

It's basically an introduction game type for new players. The rules specifically state they're suppose to be modified and altered, but for enjoyment and fairness, not to curbstomp opponents. So, just cause it says 200 points, doesn't mean it's 100% stuck on that.

>>49195867
Heh, thanks man, my little brother likes tau, he's gonna get mad so I throw in a riptide for him. Hopefully 60 Gaunts Will Just Load the Board With models

>>49195841
>"good" epub is just wall of text on a white background
>"bad" epub has a layout

I'll never understand how people keep pimping e-readers and shitting on PDFs...

>>49195071
Bumping for tonks.

>>49195951
Its in the OP, stop talking like a retarded child.

So how does a squad of Sternguard not completely break Kill Team?

Special Ammo + Space Marine statline with the 3+ = GG

>>49195913
I was talking Start Collectings, but Grey Knights have long interested me. I played a game against all Interceptors w/ Halberds, and it was pretty interesting. I feel like KT isn't for them, the army is based on 2+ everywhere and Psychic Brotherhoods, so they got BTFO'd a lot. Interceptors and Purifiers with the Psyker Rule Changes (not sure of the details, just know brotherhood does something now) may be viable, need to play to see.

>>49195715
>additional shooting attack with models almost always equipped with combi-weapons
>hatred again
Wew lad. Now, all we need is for them to reveal that there are no new psychic powers for the disappointment to be complete.

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>>49195950
>"bad" epub has a layout
It is a straight image. If all you wanted was a straight image with some tabs on the side for navigation, you could have just kept it a pdf (and a tabbed pdg would be far better than the schlock we got).

Copy/pasting said image on 1% of a huge canvas, and not resizing that canvas (or the image for that matter) is just the embodiment of lazy.

Anyone got a link to the Deathwatch Codex/Supplement whatever the fuck it is?

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How shit?

>>49196018
official psyker rule changes? I haven't heard of that. Is something like that coming?

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>>49196044
Somebody will post the epub, I'm sure, but here's the pdf.

>>49196059
Blurry/10, so pretty shit.

>>49196059
Chimeras are great-ish

>Black Crusade Detachment
>can't actually use the Black Legion formations with it
You can't make this shit up. It's like GW goes out of their way to fuck with the players.

>>49196059
>storm bolter
>not heavy stubber

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Does anyone actually own three of these hideously over-priced and ineffective models?

>>49196059
pretty bad camera

>>49195896
>Could these rules mean that a unit could drop in with combo-meltas, destroy a transport in their first round of shooting and immediately after use their next round of shooting on the unit that was inside?
yes but you are shooting them with bolters so who cares

>>49196160
>use as knights
>problem solved

Also:
>3
>not 8

It's like GW hates Khorne AND money.

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>chaos marine players spend literally all week whining about how hard their lives are
>blood marine players deal with it
what is it that compels chaos players to bitch so much

>>49196213
There are more then 3 Blood Angel players so it makes it seem worse.

>>49195801
>why the hell do GW seem to think giving hammer of wrath to Orks is actually a useful thing to do?

Welcome to my hell

>Be me, Lieutenant Eagle of the Mordian 6th armored.
>Be deployed with regiment on a real nice civilized terran world
>find out orks got a strong hold on the place, and the command structure is made of swiss cheese
>Ineedmorerecaff.jpg
>Regimental structure degrades faster then anyone down wind of a bane wolf
>end up with a bunch of other lieutenants who lost their squadrons
>I command a Hydra, so rip me when they say help some pdf who got cornered
>command ranked it "medium difficulty" because they forgot actual danger classifications
>find trukks and grot tanks, wut?.img
>things going well until two mega grot tanks show up, dakka commenced
>find myself out dakkaed in a machine who spits 600 rounds per minute
>other commanders take out one tank, but the second one actually hits me.
>shell was filled with bullets, all HE.
>lose track, two barrels, but finish tank off because grots can't build shit tough
>have to get dragged back home, casualties staggering in assault
>tech priest is pissed AF, almost get castrated right there.
>go to bunk, find out the chimera crew that dragged me back requested to sign up with my command.

More?

>>49196247
Sure dude

>>49196213
blood angels are better than CSM anyway

>>49196213
They don't bitch because it would just bring up why exactly does a codex chapter with a gimmick have its own codex.

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>>49195989
>my face when Command Squads don't get special ammo
>MY FACE WHEN CHAPTER HONOUR GUARD DON'T GET SPECIAL FUCKING AMMO

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>>49196213
Fuck you, if I cant have my own codex than neither should you.

>>49196213
You get your book next week, and there's no reason for Codex: Furious Charge Marines to have its own book anyways.

>>49196203
>must take 8
>Specieal Rule: Once per game, you get Twin-Linked :^)
It's so mind boggling comparing these to the special rules of, say, Knight formations. I feel its almost like the higher the points, the worst it must be.

>>49196227
HoW is pretty great. Even a twenty-man mob of boyz will kill two marines at I10 with HoW.

Hatred is fine, but we have way too much redundant access to it.

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>>49196293
My two armies were Black Templar and Chaos Space Marines.

What say you.

>>49196293
Honestly the current SM codex fully provides for Black Templar.

They really don't need their own special snowflake codex

and neither does blood angels

>>49196282
>yfw command squad/honor guard don't get heavy weapons
>yfw command squad/honor guard don't get terminator armour or jump packs
>yfw command squad/honor guard don't get scout armour or sniper rifles
>yfw sternguard heavy bolters don't get hellfire shells

>>49196293
>>49196326
BT have always been the coolist loyalist SM and they always get fucking shafted.

even with all the free drop pods and shit they still suck balls since their rules are trash and you cant take libbys.

still better than CSM though, at least they get grav and skyhammer

>>49195715
>Shooting the burning brand twice
pretty good

>>49196360
>Honestly the current SM codex fully provides for Black Templar.
Except for there being no sword brethren
And their warlord trains being redundant with their special characters
And crusader squads being excluded from every SM formation

Ive said this, but a space marine army painted as black templars is great

A Black Templars army is not.

>>49196381
>they always get fucking shafted.
Don't forget their newest book explaining that they only have 1,100 marines in their whole Chapter now across all of their crusades. Apparently this change is under the direct command of GW to BL "for greater internal consistency."

>>49194453
>49194161▶>>49194239 >>49193976
I always loved those claws with the light orbs in them. They helped reinforce a sense of the otherworldlyness that Tzeentch aligned marines should have.

>>49196360
>Honestly the current SM codex fully provides for Black Templar.

Ok so where are the formations that use crusader squads or bolster our CTs? Where are the vows for the Emperor's Champion? Where are our chapter specific relics? At least Crimson Fists use IF chapter tactics so they're not as fucked or neglected as the BT who have the worst chapter tactic in the entire book.

I hate what they did to them its like went 'Yeah ok, we'll put you in this codex, never give you an update as we pretend you dont exist, remove all your fluff and specific shit and YOU'LL THANK ME FOR IT'.

>>49194453
Seekers and daemonettes are fine.
I really, really don't recommend the chariots.

>>49196399
>Except for there being no sword brethren
aren't sword brethren just vanguard veterans with the serial numbers filed off

or did they have WS5.

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>CSM get 3 fucking supplements
>Sisters of Battle haven't had a printed Codex since 2012
>it was a white dwarf
>last real Codex was 2003
>no new models since 2004

>>49196480
>no new models since 2004
well csm have only gotten like 3 models since 2001

>>49196506
>CSM recut
>raptors
>mutilators
>resin warpsmith
>resin dark apostle
>resin sorcerer
>terminator lord
>vindicator
>dinobots
>heldrake
>plastic aspiring champion
>helbrute
>plastic kharn

I'm sure the plastic terminators are newer than 2001 as well, but can't be sure.

>>49196506
>has plastic
>has fliers
>3 supplements
>basic squads cost less that $120

>>49196480
Well, yeah, CSM are an integral part of the setting played by a lot of players. SOB of three players.

>>49196610
So did DE before their 5e update.

So have heavy bolters finally found their place in Kill Team?

They seem to be pretty good with the specialist skill allowing them to target multiple models.

You have the option of putting 3 S5 AP4 3+to-hit shots on a single model or 3.

Seems pretty good to me.

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>>49196636
>my face when I started 40k in 3ED with the SMvsDE starterset
>my face when the DE at the time relied on imperial lascannons for their anti-tank

Anybody have any experience buying Krieger's off eBay? I love their look, but I don't want to pay FW my left testicle for a squad of troopers.

>>49196262

>wake up next morning, get told command has a mission
>pdf next to a volcano haven't been getting reinforcements or supplies, entire supply trains going missing. scouts they sent went mad, mumbling nonsense
>command gets turned over to some dyke who could pass for an Ogyrn, probably just as smart.
>of course she gets the Punisher Variant Leman
>also along for the ride are half a dozen chimeras, three lemans, four hell hounds.
>go to hydra, find a frail girl with purple eyes and blond hair going towards it, easy 7/10
>says she was to report to me, and I ask who she was
>turns out shes was a psyker, old watcher got BLAMed by only two female commissars on the planet simultaneously. I'm her new one because the command structure is messed up.
>BLAM cock block engaged, not even my raunchy driver wants to mess with her
>her name was Arisa and she was from Elysium of all places, trying super hard not to enjoy talking to a Bolt Magnet, fail
>all the sudden the whole hydra jumps into the air. She smacks her head against ceiling, insta KO, face falls into the middle of my lap
>I decide to contemplate the heresy later and get on my weapon station
>ork choppas up the wazoo, firing missiles. They already killed a chimera and a leman
>turn them to scrap in about .5 seconds as I finally see an air target
>trundle along until cultists show up with five corrupted lemans and 6 chimeras. Well shiiii
>plague drones and doom wings show up too, so I focus on them.
>plague drones explode into gory mess, the punisher mows down cultists as vehicles engage each other
>doom wings focus on punisher, dyke is toast. great loss etc etc, I kill the doom wings.
>commander dead, others squabbling for control
>Arisa tells me that an enemy psyker is on other side of a volcanic hill to our right. Decide to flank it
>a hell hound and my chimera come with
>halfway around the hill, Arisa says she shielded us from being seen by the psyker

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>>49196480
>>49196597
>not just converting sisters out of eisenkerns big booty bitches for like $1 a model
low test

>>49196326
But anon! Black Templars have never been above 1300 men at most, and have always been codex-compliant!

>>49196687
Buy chink clonecasts/re-casts
I picked up my Deredeo dreadnought+ weapons and missile pack for $40 which includes shipping.

FW wanted like fucking $120 for that. Which doesn't even including shipping or bullshit VAT.

>>49196726
Did I miss a fluff change whilst attempting to ignore my painting backlog?

>>49196709
sisters would be the one army, that if I played, I would learn to re-cast stuff.

Trying to make the Marks if Chaos a more important shift in play style/stats.

Nurgle is easy. +1 T and Feel no Pain. Khorne is likewise easy. +1 A and Furious Charge.

Slaanesh and Tzeentch are more difficult. +1 I and Fleet makes sense, but it's pretty melee focused despite Slaanesh CSM's only real unique items being guns. +1 Invulnerable (or 5++) is nice, but what else do you add to it? Reroll 1's? Snap Shoot at BS2?

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>>49196480
The sad thing about Sisters players is that when(if) GW revamps their line with new $30 single model HQ's/Hero's and $30/5-model troop squads along with the obligatory $185 limited edition codex

Sister players will eat it up and buy them all out.

>GW's face when

I asked this in a previous thread but got no information. Is there a benefit to buying the older tau battlefield box?

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>>49196783
Give them infiltrate because Tzeentch is a better strategist than Creed godsdamnit.

>>49196801

You're not wrong, and yet its like GW doesn't want free money. I know 4 people irl that said the only reason they're not playing SoB is because they have no plastic. I've been playing them for years, and its hard to justify buying anything for them.

>>49194588
>and having an army that is always competetive.
Let me guess, you started at the end of 6th edition just when vanilla marines received their 7th ed codex.

>>49196689

>do a 180, go a little, crest hill
>a platoon of traitor guard and a couple lemans stand in my way
>shred through infantry, hell hound takes out a leman while all the sudden a Devil dog appears from behind us
>apparently it was part of PDF, came to our aide, takes out other leman
>then a very feisty Decimator charges out of the wood works while Arisa spots the enemy psyker, surrounded by psykic shield
>I spray down the psyker, but shield is too strong. Arisa begins battle of will, I'm super worried she is about to explode into blood monsters
>chimera tries to dodge Decimator and is torn in half, then obliterated with a giant laser. hell hound gets kicked onto it's back
>devil dog goes in for the save, uses it's melta cannon to to blow off the thing's arm. I spray into the hole and start tearing into the body.
>it ain't dead yet and Arisa isn't going to hold on much longer. Devil dog melts off one of it's legs at the knee
>now it's hobbling at me and about to kill me most horrificly with a giant laser
>Devil dog takes out other leg and it falls. Arisa loses to experience and falls to ground, unconscious.
>psyker's shield is down though, and I lay into him. he retreats into the warp as Devil dog finishes off Decimator
>Arisa is fine, and I go back to base with Devil dog and hell hound. get wasted. get carried back to bed by the psyker.
>wake up naked with her, commissar standing over me. Well shit.

>>49196765

Pretty much what I was trying to imply without actually saying it. Chinaman's recasts are pretty good quality though? Comparable, at least?

>>49196895
In many cases they're not even recasts.

FW has a production site in China and workers? managers? use the same moulds to make and sell models on their ebay stores for a fraction of the cost.

>>49196801

Would love to play sisters, honestly, but the models are shit, and their one good tank isn't even in production anymore. They're either getting a seriously huge redo, or were axed years ago and GW just never officially announced it. I think we all know which is more likely.

>>49195840

How good would the Scion kit be for KT?

All I would need be an extra Scion Squad im thinking

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Sooo, should I start a KDK or a CSM army? With the new formations out, which will actually win more games or be more fun_____? I've heard KDK is spamming a bunch of the same units and I don't know much about CSM tactics.

>>49196945
You have literally everything you need in that box, actually.

>>49196925

Thanks for the info, Anon. Just the little reassurance I needed to try it. No harm in placing a small order to give them a shot anyways, right? If I'm disappointed I can always just end up going to FW anyways.

>>49196930
That they're getting a redo.

Who would have thought GW would do a Deathwatch CODEX?

No one.

Who would have thought GW would actually do a Mechanicum codex?

No one.

Sisters are just another card in GW's deck that they haven't chosen to play yet.

>>49196964

The starter kit is actually good for KT HoR

One Scion squad+Command squad with the insane kit options each scion could get is great

>>49196930

The thing is, awhile ago we got a plethora of rumors about new plastics that people had seen, the ones with the veils.

>>49196995
>That they're getting a redo.

Yep, just gotta wait 13 more years! 5 more editions! WOOOO!

>>49197014
That kind of rumor has been a thing since 5th edition, every year theres a rumor about Sisters and every year it turns into a lie.

>>49197061
believe me I'm not looking forward to having you faggots bitch about it that long either

>>49193088
>At least Empy has arms

You can redesign ONE unit from your codex into viability. Which unit do you choose and what do you change?

>>49197187
the emperor is a corpse

>>49196832
It should be cheaper?

>>49197203
>all marine armies, loyalist or otherwise
>terminators can charge from deep strike

>>49197287
lolno

>>49197203
>Codex Space Marines (just to fuck with the special snowflake marines who have their own books): Terminators now have 3 wounds each. Everything else about them is the same.

>>49197203
>Tau Kroot
>12" movement
>Stealth and Shrouded while in cover, any cover not just jungle/forest
>3 attacks base, so 4 total each if they're using kroot rifles.

>>49197203
>Grey Knights Vulnerable Dreadnought
>Now has a 4++ invul save and a new name: Venerable.

>>49196247
>>49196689
>>49196878
its
shit
its like a greentext from /b/ only even more autismal

>>49197203
ork boyz:
i3. i4 if you're feeling WILD and CRAZY

>>49197387
Insanity.
Isn't it, like a rule that stickbombz must always do nothing?

>>49196769
Yep. Extreme retcons, mate.

I hear they LOVE Psykers!

>>49197472
Yeah, they just... "lost" that Librarius. Lost it. Right.

>>49197203
>Sisters Repentia
>always get 4+ FNP
>AoF to let them assault even if they otherwise couldn't (like having deployed from a non-assault vehicle) at 6+1d6"

>>49197203
>Grey Knight Paladins
ability to take stormshields

>>49197203
berzerkers can run and charge in the same turn. their first charge of the game they charge a full 4d6

>>49197203
Ork Slugga Boyz, Can always run 6" even through difficult terrain.

>>49197524
That right there is what tore me when I was deciding on Dark Angels, Space Wolves, or Grey Knights for my Terminator army.

I ultimately settled on GK because at the time Halberds were OP, of course now their psychic powers make them OP so it still works out.

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>>49197538
>24" threat range

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>>49194355

I like it, its part of making my army MY army. But I generally just stick with a simple kitbash. Not to fount of green stuff, so if I can skip it, I will. Using parts from other companies seems like a waste for me, as I have dealt with GW for about 17 years now and have a pretty big collection of bitz lying around.

>>49197586
I love them to death. You made the right choice brother. We have the best terminator models to boot.

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>>49197607
yes

>>49194465
Did you fix your shields and sneks yet?

>>49197607
>24"
potentially 36" if they roll a 6 to run and 4 6s to charge

>>49197472
This sounds like your over reacting to something not the real fluff.

>>49196962
Bumping this question in case there are filthy heretics lurking ITT who've played those armies.
>>49197427
You didn't hear this from me, but I think Boyz would still be fine if they had Fearless.

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>>49194355

If I didn't suck with green stuff, I'd probably make my own. Best I've done is a model I can't even use anymore.

>>49197691
I already shaped the snek heads to what they are in pic after someone told me too (they were worse before), but didn't change anything else besides smoothing some moldlines out. I primed them, but then tried to strip because the primer went on rough, but the primer wouldn't come off with super clean, so I just tried to recoat and now they are based with silver.

Long story short, they look meh now and I don't feel like finishing them because I plan on using tigurius and power armored libbys for the conclave. And I have a Imperial knight to convert and build...

>>49197649
I LOVE my GKs but it feels like they're lacking SOMETHING to be decently GOOD but not broken. Feels like aside from being jacks of all trades, masters of none, you only get 1 chance to do what you need to before your game starts to fall apart.
Sure, they can dominate a psyker phase, but refer to the 1 chance thing above. You get 1 chance to get your powers off or you're screwed because there's little to no re-roll manipulation in the codex.