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>>49183767

First for Wyvern CSM armies

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First for smug anime girls.

>>49183767
Can I take a Heavy Destroyer in KT if it's the upgraded one in the regular Destroyers?

>>49183796

Yes, but it'd be pretty inefficient.

Just take 5 destroyers. Exactly 200 points.

What are you working on /tg/, on this fine labor day? Play any games recently? Plan on playing any soon?

Any word on when the new Traitor's hate will be coming out?

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>>49183767
Seventh for galaxy would've been a better place if the Men of Iron won.

Drop Bags.

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>>49183812

Who says they didn't?

>>49183807
Its the wife's and my anniversary today. We're gonna paint models while Guardians of the Galaxy and Clerks 2 are playing on the laptop.
I'm salty she paints better than me. I got the shakes something fierce, and I can't into fine detail.

>>49183806
Kill Everything Team.

Any ideas for making them look more individual?

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>>49183795

What army would smug anime girls play?

>>49183835
>>49183795
Eldar Cheddar.

>>49183833
giving them different weapons and crying on the inside because kill team doesn't actually let you customize your guys

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>>49183767

>"Woah dude, I count 9 squads of wyverns, what IG regiment are you playing?"
>"Oh, I don't play IG, this is actually my CSM army"

>>49183874
WAIT WHAT ?

You can't add wargear ?

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>>49183835

Smug Anime Girls of Battle, duh.

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>CSM are a good army!
>Spend 30%+ points on allies or else

>>49183879
you guys are really close minded he spent 1 hour telling you so many different ways

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>>49183890
oh lord
what have we wroght

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DROPS PODS FOR CHAOS SPACE MARINES WHEEEEEEN?!

>>49183898
Do you know where you are? memes rule all.

also his way were literally 'play something other than CSM'

>>49183883
no, you can. it's just hard to actually give it to your guys and make them feel different from one another without having like, 5 models that are all from the same unit anyway. which sucks in kill team because you can only shoot at 1 guy a turn with each model

>>49183852
I think we all know why chaos wants loyalists stuff so bad: deep in their hearts, they strive to emulate the on true way to fight, striving to be like their spiritual leige. The fact that they don't have drop pods and grav reminds them of this horrible truth, a fact which makes them so bitter and angry: despite how hard they try, they will never be ultramarines

>>49183921
Is a nurgle plague marines focus or allies kdk really other army ?

>>49183940
might as well pain their CSM blue at that point

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>>49183940
in your fucking dreams loyalist
(pic related its a tzeentchian snake)

>>49183962
No matter how hard you deny it, you know it to be true :^)

>>49183890
>Anyone calling CSM a good army
>Missing the point and changing up the meme only to fuck up the joke
>Shitposting

>>49183918
When you cough up a liver and 260pts for a Kharybdis Assault Claw instead.

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>>49183974
I ssssserve the darker powerssssss.

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>20 man Sob blob with 3 librarians all on telepathy and force, with Cortez, allied in with yarrick and a priest and some SOB char for a 27 man blob of fearless, Invisible, Force, reroll armour saves and wounds, a CQC monster, 5+ invlun and anti deepstrike
How do I deal with this as daemons.

>>49183944
plauge marines no, but KDK, yes. also this: >>49183894

>>49183996

Ally some CSM :^)

Fuck, did Peltasts just render Rangers irrelevant?

I tend to take a mix of vanguard and Rangers 'cause rangers have long range kinda lacking in the rest of the codex, but Peltasts have longer range on their regular shots than Vanguard, and even better range on their AP3.

>>49183996
bring some formations, like forgehost and whatever infantry formation corresponds to the models you own (for me it'd be tallyband. anti overwatch ftw)
how many points is this?

>>49183996
You go after objectives and ignore it. That's how people beat me when I run my deathstar.

>>49183996
they're majority T3.
Tzeentch herald, take paradox staff and a squad of horrors, cast prescience on yourself then spam as many flickering fires as possible, crush them on the weight of the dice?

They only get to pray for rerolls when in close combat so they're 'just' T3 3+/4++ vs ranged.

Maybe try and take an exalted flamer and throw all your dice at denying invisibility then hitting them with the torrent, ap3 flamer.

>>49184063
Well Vanguards already made Rangers irrelevant so yeah. Peltasts are very decent unit, even more if you compare them to Rangers.

>>49184063
rangers have precision shot for what it's worth? but yeah the fact that anyone thought rangers would ever be taken over peltasts or even vanguard is laughable. the number of viable units in the codex just went down despite new units being introduced...
we definitely need more models than this for the admech army

>>49184118
>Well Vanguards already made Rangers irrelevant

Like I said, range.

Not really a hell of a lot of long ranged weapons in Skittles, beyond them and Dunecrawlers.

>>49184063
Fuck, man, i used them the other day, and 40 shots with shred on a minium squad is fucking nuts, and thats not even looking a -1 str thing

#sans special wepaon, these guys out class both rangers and vanguard

>>49184158
doesn't really matter though. the opportunity cost lost of running rangers over vanguard just isn't worth

Really sick of the GW employee who gives a lecture on how great railgun broadsides are and that's why you should never listen to the Internet to anyone who will listen to him.

>>49184254
what

>>49184297

I hear his lecture in the background whilst I'm trying to play a game about twice a month.

>>49184155
Neat. Hoping it goes well for the BA. They deserve a win

>>49184254
Wait they're bad?
Should I get hammerheads instead?

>>49184353

Not so much outright awful as laughably weaker than missile broadsides to the point where you'd be painfully aware how much better missile broadsides would be doing every time you played them.

>>49184353
S8 means railsides can't deal with AV13/14 very well anymore.

Quick newb question.
Invuln isn't a save, right? So I can use it when I fail the Ld check on Demonic Instability?

>>49184399
Railsides would be fixed immediately if they had rapid fire, allowing them to both have 2 shots at 30 inches and reposition whilst still shooting.

>>49184414
Invuln is a save. Unless it says you can take an Invuln, no saves means that you get no saves.

>>49184438
K. What about FNP?

>>49184414
If the game states no saving throws, it means all three types.

If the game specifies no armor saves can be made, then you can use an invuln save.

>>49184453
No saves means no saves. Check the rules for FNP if you don't think it's a save.

Mega anon, can you share Storm of Damocles?

>>49184475
FnP is not a save senpai

>>49184436
No, they would still unable to death with heavy armor

>>49184453
FnP Doesn't count as a save so you can take it against wounds caused unless stated otherwise.

>>49184339
I'd been worried about that. It seems unlikely that chaos will lose the very first battle of this campaign/warzone, so I kind of feel the BA may be in for a kicking.

>>49184490
I never said it was. I told him to check the rules.
>>49184471
Put it in much better words.

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>>49184475
>>49184490
>>49184492
proof

>>49184168
Yeah the shred-shot is retarded. Against everything it can hurt it actually outclasses the S4 ap3 rending shot haha.

>>49184491

So?

They'd be very useful as a source of high strength AP2, and as it was actually AP1, serve a good anti-medium vehicle role too.

Tau vs Chaos Daemons pros and cons?

>>49184512
Tau already have that in abundance. S8 AP1 just makes them redundant to the other stuff Tau can bring.

>>49184557
That's how we got Farsight

How to run Renegade & Heretics in Kill Team while keeping both thematic & functional (don't need to win but don't want to lose in 5 seconds either?)

>>49184589

Pfft, and we don't have a shit ton of 5/5 and 7/4 redundancy?

Tau quite honestly do a handful of things well, all of them relating to shooting, durability or maneuvering. The rest is just mixing and matching.

>>49184605
Well they have a lot of themes going on really. Mutant hordes, renegade rabbles, elite mercenaries, darkmech doohickeys.

I can imagine few Thudd Guns would be very nasty in KT.

>>49184639
No heavy support in kill team

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>>49184557
tau - pew pew pew pew dftdftdftdft kchoom kshhhhh
daemons - zzzzap pchoooo skreeeeeyoowwwwww tiktiktik

>>49184557

Just remove Tau from 40k.

>>49184635

The sad part is that shooting, durability and maneuvering is what the current meta is based on so Tau are really fucking strong and no one sees their weaknesses.

>>49184690
Oh damn thats true. I'm so used to playing Renegades of Vraks that i forgot that Thudds arent really troops.

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>>49184720
Seems ligit

>>49184339
>>49184497
Blood Angels won in the Shield of Baal.

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>>49184497
>It seems unlikely that chaos will lose the very first battle of this campaign/warzone

>>49184812
Name a single campaign series where the Imperial won the first part of.

You can't.

>>49184557
Tau: Shooting, no psychic whatsoever
Daemons: Psychic, close combat

What's going on with the last few Horus Heresy Books on Mega?

They're Rar files and I don't know what to do with them.

>>49184857
Who has the advantage ?

>>49184063
>>49184118
>>49184158

SEMI SERIOUS QUESTION from NON PLAYER
pls no bully

have GW ever changed the stats or cost or a unit or fiddle with balance in any way?
all this talk of making character obsolete and 'need new models'.

now I know GW are in the business of wanting you to buy new models but im pretty sure they'd be just as unhappy with stuff sitting on a shelf unsold as its now irrelevant.

Im also aware that GW have a less than stellar reputation for balance so maybe this is why.

do they -ever- tweak things post release? if so is it just major events like codex updates?
just curious

>>49184155

>Starter box: Unlimited Toys Space Marines vs Unique Human-Alien hybrid faction
>Starter box: Unlimited Toys Space Marines vs Ridiculously underpowered alien faction
>Codex: Unlimited toys Space Marines
>Codex: Bad Guy Space Marines
>Next is Codex: Red Space Marines
Loving the diversity of these releases.

>>49184865

unrar them?
http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm

>>49184973
Every once in a while they will release a rules errata to change something, but it's pretty rare and typically won't change a lot.

>>49184973
>have GW ever changed the stats or cost or a unit or fiddle with balance in any way?
I remember they did change Oblitrators T5 into T4(5) like.. 15 years ago. After that? Nope.

>>49184984
yeah, me neither. Can't wait for my Grey Knights to get on that list.

>>49184993
I used 7zip and it didn't work, that did it. Thanks.

>>49184984
Orks vs MT when?
Just kidding, never gonna happen

any one have Trators Hate epub3

>>49184984
>>49185081
It's almost like marines (Chaos and Loyalist) are the posterboys and centerpiece of the setting, and always have been.

>>49185118
Anyone want to bite on the bait?

>>49185150
yeah and it's almost like people don't like that

>>49185118
Any one have Time Machine?

>>49185150
Ok CSM vs Nids or Orks
That work for you?

how do I beat daemons as space wolves. They just keep summoning stuff D:

>>49184063
Yeah, this is concerning. Skitarii were almost cheap enough for me to get into, and the they obsoleted everything I'd already built and charge double for the improvement...

>>49184961
Tau, they can shoot up their best units and shut down charges with their stupidly powerful overwatch.
But, Daemons have a lot of tools to either get around that or drown them in so many units they don't care and if they get in to close combat they will eat them alive, so it's not like it's a one sided affair.

>>49185150

>posterboys and centerpiece of the setting
How can anyone like marines? They're bland and hardly differ in appearance from chapter to chapter. Even IG found different ways to make flak armour look unique to each Regiment.
Hell, I dropped marines when I was 12 because I realised then how boring they were.

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>love lore of admech
>been playing techpriest in rt campaign for 3 years now
>check out admech in 40k, never been into the game
>they're fucking boring
>one good infantry unit, split codex
>these peltasts just came out and make the rest of their guys look like a joke too
what do

>>49185254
>they're fucking boring
>one good infantry unit

Fuck off anon.

>>49185254
30k

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>>49185254
>what do
This.

>>49185254
Play 30k mechanicum, Cybernetica for gigantic stompy robots, Reductor for the best tanks in any game

>>49185118
Yeah. That I paid for. So poor fags get out

>>49185190
Give us tzeetch powered de-evolution guns that are equivalent to grav. They are medium vs infantry, do nothing against vehicles (chaos drawback, hurr durr) but royally fuck over any MC or GMC that looks at them funny. Make Tau players run to GW saying it makes no sense that riptides get hurt from this, can they please be walkers now

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>>49185015
They adjusted the base cost on Helbrutes in the current CSM codex, but that may have been an issue of a misprint.
Also the attacks of Dreadnoughts and Helbrutes has recently been increased.

>>49183898
>>49183921
>>49183822
>>49183940
So last thread's CSM back and forth got me thinking. As a long time Chaos player, I don't want my army to just be spiky Imperial Space Marines. I do not want drop pods.

I'd like to inject 10,000 years of warp fuckery into CSM tech. Why do CSMs ride around in stock standard vehicles? Daemonic Possession is just the tip of what it could be. Someone mentioned letting us choose to sacrifice a model inside to restore a hull point. Someone else said let us restore hull points via deaths caused by tank shock or a Helbrute's melee attacks. CSM vehicles ought to be nightmarish abominations of what they once were.

CSM guns ought to be the same: Twisted versions of the tech they used to be. Lascannons firing beams which temporarily merge reality with warp space. Bolter and heavy bolter rounds that explode with filth and caustic bile. Rocket launchers sending volleys of impossibly hot blood raining across the battlefield.

Using the warp to deploy, move, and obscure our troops. Rending open daemonic gateways for limited deep strikes. Tie it in to icons or something to direct them. Swirling vortexes granting cover to advancing troops as the very land around them appears to take the shape of daemon worlds.

Fuck, I dunno. Something that makes us more than just evil Space Marines. And something that isn't just random tables that -might- give us something relevant. I do like the idea of allying in daemons and/or renegades. I just don't want to be forced to.

>>49185347
This
Dont make CSM into just spikey marines, give us options to play toe to toe with the SM, but not the exact same
Equivalents not Equal

That said I think Night lords should be an exception. Give them special rules that make them able to take VotLW, but have them run off C:SM, with restrictions on what gear they can get. So SM drop pods, some weapon options, some vehicles, plus fear and Veterans

>>49185278
jesus loves you
just kidding hes dead
>>49185283
>just build this incredibly expensive high point option limiting formation
no

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CONVINCE ME TO BUILD DAEMONS INSTEAD OF ORKS___

>>49185684
orks have become a joke online

>>49185684
No, stick with Orks unless you only care about winning.

>>49185535
>just build this incredibly expensive high point option limiting formation

>Normal amount of models for 1500pts
Poorfag get out this hobby isnt for you.

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Hey guys,

Putting the finishing touchs on my 40k cheat sheet for new players. Made some major corrections last night but can I get one last check before I start printing some for my friends. Thanks!

>>49185160
most people do like it, though

like, you've seen how well HH and DW have sold, right?

Is Squad Broken the greatest literary accomplishment of the 21st century?

I'm really enticed on the idea of an army that is centered around the lost of the Imperium. Like the Legion of the Damned, Death Company and other forlorn types.

What others of that type exist?

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>>49185756
nicely done

>>49185347

That would mean new models, new rules, new writing, new lore, new molds.

And that means spending money, when you could just make a set of spiky bits and put them in an old space marine box.

So how should flesh hounds of khorne be used? Anti-infantry obviously, but what type?

>>49185756
Printed, thanks

>>49186044
throw them against weak troops like firewarriors or guardsmen. matter of fact make that anything they can get their paws on because due to ws5 s4(5) and 2 attacks they should be able to beat most troops. between scout and beast movement they can be used to set up charges and put pressure on the enemy

>>49185805
Is that the gay Ork/Marine slashfic? if so, then yes.

>>49186044

Anything with a bad save, they have no AP at all, not even Karanak. that said you can drown a 5-man terminator unit in attacks, they will fail some saves

Anti-vehicle too, since they can punch the back armour at S5. just scout forward and use cover to get there.

Speaking of Khorne, do we know anything more about Kharn's new rules?

>>49185756
How psychic charges work, like what warp charge you need to get stuff on
>>49186083
oh well, too late

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Been meaning to make a scion kill team list and I found this one from an official GW pack.

2 Hotshot las guns
1 Plasma gun
1 Hotshot volley gun
and the Tempestus gets a CCW and boltpistol

Tauros prime has a missile launcher with twin linked storm bolter and auto cannons


but I was also told of a kill team combo of a scion command squad and a scion squad

Just wondering whats the better idea here

>>49186205
Taurox is very squishy and expensive. I'd bring more infantry.

P.S. don't buy that bundle if you were thinking about it, just get the Militarum Tempestus Start Collecting box.

>>49186248

Bundles been gone for a while but I see the starter has some nice combos if I were to make a kill team.

So if I were to ignore the Tauros and bring the Command Squad/Regular Squad of scions would be it be alright? I think I would be able to make a list with the commissar in there aswell.

>>49183767
Can you fire heavy weapons from a Rhino?

>>49186296
Yes.

>>49186318
Thanks senpai, the plan is jam a devastator squad in a Rhino and just have it cruise around, s7ap2 blasting tyrannids into xenos paste

>>49186278

I dunno I feel like if you want "That" army is just take 10 scions all with hotshot volley guns

>>49186349
Uh, you might not be able to do it with blast weapons.

And if you move you snap fire, so you can't fire your blast weapons.

>>49186365

He could take 2 tactical marines one with plasma gun and one with a lascannon though

>>49186379
Buying a 10-man squad with a rhino just to have a plasmagun and lascannon shooting out of it seems a bit much.

If you can keep the Rhino stationary, I'd go with a dev squad with 2 heavy weapons in a rhino.

If not, I'd go with a predator or a razorback.

>>49186365
Do flamer templates work?

>>49186363
You can't. You have to buy the units as units and then they just act as independent characters.

>>49186278
IDK if I'd take the Command Squad or if I'd go double Troops from the MT codex itself. With the Command Squad, you can take the Tempestor Prime who has 2 wounds, WS 4 and Ld 9. So that's nice. but then the base squad cost is bumped up by 15 points, so you'd have to be aware of how you want to squeeze in your special weapons.

>>49186379
He said devastators, so I figured plasma cannons.

>>49186425
Most flamer templates are Assault, so as long as you move Combat Speed you can fire them out of a Firing Point.

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1000 (w/ 15pt overcharge) KDK
for casual MURDER

Chaos Lord [165pts]
>Bike
>Goredrinker
>Lightning Claw

Bloodletters (20) [220pts]
>Banner of Blood
2x Bloodletters (8) [180 total]

Bikers (4) [148pts]
>2 TL plasma guns replacing TL bolter
-Champ
>Melta bomb
>Powersword

Flesh hounds (6) [96]

2x Skull Cannon [250 total]

Total: 1014 pts

Chaos lord +bike squad goes around being a Deathstar and raking up Goredrinker.
large Bloodletter squad matches forward as the other letters DeepS into them
Flesh hounds munch on randoms
Cannons move and shoot

I've considered taking out a few things from biker and flesh hounds to get pts for Sigil of Corruption. thoughts on that (and the list)?

>>49186479
Bikes are good, not sure about bloodletters. Drop the Champ's sword and you're at 1k.

Is the new deathwatch rules worth it? I can't find the book anywhere and I need to know if I want to get a fancy boardgame just for the cool mini's

>>49183874
And then start playing Kill Team:Heralds of Ruin >>49183883

Ugh, why is Forge World so much better at preventing leaks? Fires of Cyraxus when?

>>49186415
Might have a combined heavy weapons squad for it, multi melta, two plasma cannons and a lascannon and just swap out whatever more appropriate for the occasion

aight guys i'm doing it, i'm shelling out like $250 bucks on fucking orks
boyz, trukks, bikes, meganobz
what do y'all think of killa kanz

How would you allocate specialists in a KT made up of 5 Necron Destroyers?

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So a friend came up to me this weekend and told me his brother and his friends all jumped into 40k. About 5 dudes in total. Some start collecting boxes for tau, space marines, and a guy going guard. alright, cool.

>"oh and his last friend went chaos"
>oh nice, what did he get?
>"well the dark vengeance set"
>oh that's an ok st-
>"and a chaos reaver titan"
>mfw
This guy has never assembled a model before.

>>49186499
I usually play online with others on Tabletop Simulator, and they usually go over a little bit on their list (a lot of times they try to go 25pts over), so I usually get them to agree on a 15pt overcharge on points.

>Bloodletters
I know, Bloodletters are shit. might replace them with Berzerkers and Cultists

>>49183807
I'm probably going to prime and paint half a squad of Skitarii Vanguards later today. I'm waiting for any of my boxes to come in still.

One more box (after that one) of troops, a couple Ballistarius boxes, and a couple Dunecrawlers, and I'll have my 1000-point Skittle army.

Can anyone recommend a place to get these cheaper that ISN'T recasts? I'm gonna get one squad and one dunecrawler through Start Collecting, but that's still expensive, yo

>>49186561
Kanz are fucking dogshit, whatever you buy do not even bother with them, they don't even fit into a Klan theme so fuck them.

Bikers, Defkoptas, Painboyz, buggies, Lootaz, Mek gunz, and possibly Meganobs and Dreads are all decent/okay units.

All the characters are disappointing and shit except maybe Grotsnik, Grukk and Baddrukk and

>>49186455

So your saying its incredible hard to make a straight Scion kill team? I quickly checked over the codex and got this now.

11 Scions

Squad 1

Temoestor Bolt pistol+CCW
Plasma gun
Rest with just hotshot lasguns

Squad 2
1 with hotshot volley gun
Tempestor with CCW and bolt pistol
1 with a melta gun
Rest outfitted with hotshot las guns

>>49185250
There seems to be a lot of people with power fantasies that lead them to venerate the Space Marines. The manchildrenest among the manchildren that we are.

>>49186205
>>49186673
The better idea is to try (just try) Kill Team: Heralds of Ruin. Many more options.

>>49186569

Give one either +1 BS or +50% range, and another either scout, infiltrate or move through cover.

The third? Not really anything else that's super useful, but I guess just model him a bayonet and pick some fluffy but mostly useless combat specialisation.

>>49186653
I replaced my Bloodletters with

Berzerkers (9)
Champ
>Chainaxe
Rhino
>Havoc Launcher

2x Cultist w/ Autoguns (8)

>>49186701

Im reading though these rules and im liking them already I havent play 40k in ages and Scions look cool so I just wanted a scion kill team

>>49186673
I think your math is off, you mean 12 scions?

I'd ditch the two extra dudes and take another volley gun and a second plasma gun instead of a melta--you can give your Plasma dudes Master Crafted and Preferred Enemy so they don't burn up.

Like this:

Scions - 95
1x HSVG
1x Plasma Gun - Preferred Enemy

Scions - 95
1x HSVG
1x Plasma Gun - Master Crafted

You could even go with 4 plasma guns since you have 10 points to spare. The reason I suggest them over the volleyguns is that volleyguns are basically AP 3 bolters, which is okay, but you move around at close quarters a lot in KT and having the same # of shots at higher strength would do you better for dealing with MEQs and the light vehicles you'll encounter.

>>49186188

Ya I had trouble with that and couldn't think of a good way to phrase it so that it would stay within that box. Any ideas or suggestions? Should I just explain what a psychic dice is?

>>49183807
I'm about to get the Tau Start Collecting box to get more drones and suits, work towards a more populated FSE list.

Khorne daemonkin Kill team ideas

Thinking
8 Cultists - Shotgun on champ, Flamer

3 Blood-Crushers

My leader will be the Crusher champion. Give one crusher rerolls to wound, the other can have the assault grenades trait, and the Cultist Sargent can have always wounds on a 2+ because why not.

Wish possesed were minimum 1 or 3, i'd like to have one, but it's 150 just for 5 and we all know they are shitty

>>49186856
do blood tithes count each model lost in kill team?

>>49186800

So just ditch the tempestors and just get an extra HSVGs and a plasma gun I like this might use it if people dont want to use heralds of war

>>49185756

Also I forgot to mention I intended to use this as a replacement for Arbitorlan's 40k reference sheet. That way new players can go through the turns without having to flip through all the pages unless theres something they need to look up.

>>49186917

Ack sorry, too early bad spelling. I meant to say I intend to use this as a replacement for the first 2 pages of Arbitorlan's 40k reference sheet. I figured new players don't really need to know about pre-game set up and stuff just yet. I suppose I could just change the page numbers on it to match the full thing

>>49186908

There is no blood tithe in kill team.

>>49186908
None of that works in Kill team.

doctrines, blood tithe, mob rule, anything like that is disabled we had some shitarii faggot sperging about it last thread.

And before you ask, the reason why is because Doctrines, Chaos boons, blood tithes and warp-storm would be overpowered, whereas Mob rule just doesn't work if you're not a unit. Marines get their chapter tactics though unless i'm wrong.

>>49186666
what's the go-to anti tank for the army? i wanna build like 1k points
also i only have 2 trukks, who do i put in there? the boys, the lootas, the megas?

>>49186821
Yeah, psychic is convoluted BS, so yeah, probably just stick with what youve got. Or make the back entirely about psychic

>>49186701
He wants to play kill team. the guy's said it. if he wanted to decide between the two then you can go on about heralds of ruin, but right now you're just saying shit that's irrelevant to him

>Read the latest Red Path series story
>Kharn punches a loyalist marine with Gorechild and lifts him up with it
>He moves Gorechild that still has the twitching body of the loyalist marine in front of him and charges
>He uses the marine body as a living shield so that the loyalist dreadnaught and other loyalist marines won't shoot at him as he closes the distance

What the fuck? That's dirty and dishonourable move. Why didn't Khorne punish Kharn for it? I thought Khornates were honourable.

>>49187228
because different people write the shit
theres your answer and thats all there is to it

>>49184107
Sisters all have adamantium will

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>>49187168

Hows this? At least it explains they need successes and shit. From there they can reference the actual spells or the psychic section in the rules.

Also changed the part about overwatch to specify they can only overwatch a unit charging at them.

Is there a formation comprised of dreads, or at least mostly dreads?

I want to buy a shitload of BaC contemptors and make a list out of 90% those.

>>49185904
Bumparino for this posterino

Tzeentch Kill Team:

Do I take:

3 flamer, 5 screamer
4 flamer, 4 screamer
5 flamer, 3 screamer.

>>49187420

I feel the screamers are more consistent than the flamers. They have a large movement, free attacks by moving over shit and decent in melee.

Flamers can DS in I guess but after that they are moving 6 inch and are limited on what they can hit by the template range. If someone spreads out they'll have a hard time catching them.

I vote for 3 flamer, 5 screamers

>>49187472

Flamers can move 12, to be fair.

>>49187472
flamers are jump pack, they're also not deep striking. flamers might do a lot more work due to everyone having 3+ and i've never been impressed by the screamer sweeping attacks

Traitor's Hate formations / detachment
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daemonette porn is the best 40k porn, prove me wrong

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>>49187572

I like girls in armor

that gets me

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So nothings changed with him? A bunch more stuff leaked for traitors hate as well but I can't seem to find it The ducurian is a free chaos boon each turn, free veterans of the long war and hatred(Armies of the imperium).
The only other formation i got a look at was the raptor pack which is :

1 chaos lord with jump pack(the jump pack is actually listed as free wargear) and 1-3 warp talons or raptors. They get charge on deepstrike but it counts as disordered.

How's this for a KT?

SoB KT 200pts

Celestians x5
Flamer
>Specialist - Relentless
Multi-Melta
>Specialist - Rending
Superior w/ Bolt Pistol + Chainsword

Dominions x5
Melta x3
>Specialist - Eagle Eye
Melta
>Leader
Veteran Superior

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Had an awesome game today, 700pts my Eldar vs Necrons. Wraiths are fuggin scary, tanked almost every shot I threw at them bar 1 wound from a scatbike. Then my Scorpion Exarch Bigballs McRoflstomp killed 2 of them on the charge, and the other Scorps got the rest.

His lord was in a unit of Scytheguard, and amazingly one of them was killed by a fuckin Guardian! They got wiped in return, then I shot 2 more dead. Then they charged my Scorps, of whom I had 2 left plus Exarch at this point (Exarch had taken down 3 warriors as well). They got the charge, but my Scorps took down all but one of them due to insanely bad rolling on Necron dude's part. Exarch was in a challenge with his overlord; 7 attacks at s6 ap2, and the fucker only took one wound after RP. And of course, he got mulched in return.

At end game, he had his overlord left, and I had 3 scatbikes, 2 vypers and my farseer. I woin on objectives, but holy shit was his warlord unkillable. Other dude was a real bro about it to, good times were had all round.

>Pic related; Uh, Warlock? Don't suppose you forsaw a way to get the fuck out of dodge here, huh?

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>>49187607
That's a man anon.

>>49187613
Holy shit it's so fucking awful.

>>49187570
Holy cow finally leaks. Many thanks anon.

>>49187613
This is pretty fucking neato actually

The berserker one lets them get a free attack phase where the enemy cant fight back

>>49187728
The problem is you're using 40 fucking berserkers, who struggle against hard targets, and still have no good way to get across the board.

>>49187613
>troops battlefield role
>elites battlefield role
>not just "troops" and "elites"

For what raisin?

>warp talons no longer shit

My prayers have been answered

>>49187117
The answer to both questions is MANz.

>>49187802
Right? That possessed formation looks like it'd actually make them usable too, which is nice.

>>49187655

But Celestians suck. Just use normal battle sisters.

>>49187570
>All that good shit

Holy fuck, I don't even play CSM and these formations are making me erect.

Anyone got a PDF/Scan of the new Killteam book?

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>Traitors hate is actually decent

Of course it would be

Only orks get shit on

>>49186701

eh I think ill give up on returning to 40k table top

I gotta buy more scions then paint them just not in the mood anymore and would rather just have them on display

>>49187228

Khorne hates archers, newfag.
That's totally kosher.

>>49187728
Orky painmob does the same thing every turn and at least they can get power klaws.

>>49187876

I actually just thought of something.

Since im a lazy fucker how good/trustworthy are studio commissions on 40k related projects.

and how bad will it hurt my wallet since all I need is just another set of scions+a command squad painted

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>>49187613
>unlimited chaos spawn
>possessed in formation get all 3 benefits
>raptor/warp talon formation get assault from deep strike (disordered though)
>multators get to attack twice and oblits get to fire twice in formation commanded by a warpsmith (can only pick 1 unit though)
>can use daemonforge twice in a game in helforged pack


err i guess helbrutes gained daemonforge in a certain formation. dare i say we got a decent upgrade?

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>>49185248
>20 Flesh Hounds + HoK with Loci on Juggar and Lesser
>Add Grimoire from outside Herald
>Move 24" turn 1
>Eat the shooting with 3+ invuln
>Charge next turn
>win
That's how I do it

>>49187870
Hey nignog. Orks only ally of convenience is the spiky gits. Now we can just pick up a couple units of Raptors and a jump Lord. That gets us melta and a way to tie up ranged units without raping fluff.

Hmm, can that Posessed formation be taken with Crimson Slaughter?

Because that would make for posessed with a 3++, rending, shrouded and a 12 inch move that can keep up with a jumping daemon prince.

>>49187228
>Khárn
>Honorable
Pick one and only one. Khárn knows the purity of Khorne's path and honor just gets in the way

>>49187870
How do you know that? Did the formations leak? What about the Psychic powers?

>>49187968
Helbrutes don't get daemonforge.
And the formation is they can use Daemonforge again as long as warpsmith is alive and on table

>>49188008
yes but they would only get all 3 in the beginning of the fight sub phase, making them some how less useful as crimson slaughter

A tournament my FLGS is coming up soon, and I was thinking of bringing a Culexus Assassin to shutdown Psychic bullshit. But against armies with no Psykers, can he even do anything? If I have no Psykers, and he has no Psykers, can I even shoot his animus speculum?

>>49188040
Scroll up formations leaked but no Psychic powers yet.

>>49187845

Furious charge and Ld 9 is more relevant in kill teams. I originally used Battle Sisters, but had 5 points to spare, so I made them celestians.

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>Every model gets Hatred: Imperium
> Every model gets free VotLW.

Dis Tautology?

(Also leak doesn't include "Veterans of the Legions."
Gonna guess it's an entry, not a formation.
Sad tzeentchy tears.)

>>49188089
no page # so just an entry

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>>49188057
that's a good point, so there's no reason to fit a helbrute in that formation. at least now when we have the other formations that do more for him

>>49188059
he does alright at fighting other things but he's fragile despite everything hitting him on 6s

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>>49187670
How the Wraiths failed this charge I will never know, but if they hadn't I would have been utterly boned. This was definitely the turning point of the game.

>>49188059
You'd still roll for warp charges and could use those, couldn't you?

>>49188089
Holy fuck Hatred: Imperium finally

That's sweet.

Anyone know if Kharn can be used for Daemonkin now?

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>>49187802
>Implying you wouldn't just take meltafist raptors.

>>49188185
No he can't.

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>>49187570
>3 vindicators make can make 1 apcotolypic ignores cover blast
>3 predaters have monster and tank hunter
>Decurion gives free VOTW and hatred to IMPERIUM, not just space marine as well as free chaos boons a turn
>possessed formations gives all the mutations at once when near the daemon prince
>raptor formation can deep strike and charge
>lost and damned formation is literally just regenades, infinite waves of guy on a 4+
Nice

>>49188089
Read your codex you dumb fucking cunt

VotLW gives Hatred: Space Marines and +1Ld

Formation gives Hatred: Armies of the Imperium and no +1Ld

Not the same thing, no tautology

>>49188151
I can't tell if his necrons are painted or not.

>>49188151
did the necron player forget that wraiths ie beasts can reroll charge distances?

>>49188185
kharn doesn't have time for your quick fix codex

>>49188119
Using him as the squad leader with a 4++ and character to bash characters with 4 attacks would be cool

obliterator/mutilator cult is questionable
double shots/double attacks is nice but you have to use different weapons and can't use the same ones in a row

Mutilators is more abuseable since you attack after you pile in so you use swords then immediate attack again w/ PFs

>>49188230
Formation gives VotLW for free if you can take it.

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>>49188151
Those greys I see?

How's this for killteam? Was thinking of giving the Crisis suit the specialist thing that gives it 50% more range and using it like a hit and run snipery guy

+ Elites (57pts) +

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (57pts)
····Crisis Shas'ui (57pts) [Counterfire Defence System (5pts), 2x Plasma Rifle (30pts)]

+ Troops (64pts) +

Strike Team (64pts) [6x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle (54pts)]
····DS8 Tactical Support Turret (10pts) [Smart Missile System]

+ Fast Attack (80pts) +

TX4 Piranhas (40pts)
····TX4 Piranha (40pts) [Burst Cannon]

TX4 Piranhas (40pts)
····TX4 Piranha (40pts) [Burst Cannon]

>>49187179
I'm telling him about a similar ruleset with a big community that would allow him to do the stuff he wants to do. Now stop mouthbreathing.

>>49186798
There is a big, very active group on Facebook, you should check it out.

>>49187655
Can't remember SoBs very well, but if you can, get a Heavy Flamer in. Well worth it.

Also, with the limits on armour and 2+save, there isn't that much need for lots of melta.

>>49187876
>>49187959
Dunno about commisions but a Scions KT will probably be about 20 models. You can knock that out in two weeks, painting every now and then. You can do it anon.

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Which Chaos God is the best mono army? Excluding KDK, just Daemons

>>49188230
>>49188089
There's precedent for it too. Dark Apostles have always been able to take VOTLW for free.

I would like my plate of crow about Traitor's Hate. I thought it was gonna be awful, but this actually looks pretty okay.

>>49188216

Don't forget all the pretty sweet leadership reducing stuff. pretty handy when you want to sweep stuff or psychic scream shit off the table.

>>49188230
Glad to have a friend like you anon.

Space Marines, crazily enough, are an army of the imperium.
So yay. +1 Ld, thanks and kindly go fuck yourself.

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This really fires my Cyraxus.

>>49188089
It's ... kinda ... good?
Not as good as Space Marines bullshit. But better than the status quo.

>>49188284

Heavy flamer in kill teams? I figured people would be too spread out for that.

>>49188216
Yeah Space marines get the first 2 things, figured they would just copy-paste it, but i like the decurion, i already ran the Warband

>>49188265
I just wanted to use his new model in both my chaos armies, but whatever i'm just glad we have a functioning modern book of sorts now

>>49188119
>filename

>>49188318

>Not even an ordinatus

Pleb

>>49188318

>Ursarax

You know those have Volkite and FW have gone on record that Volkite will never be allowed in 40k, right?

>>49188381

If I ever do get one of those I'll prolly just convert it out of a Titan weapon and a land raider.

>>49188285
well slaanesh is fast and dangerous with plenty of attacks; but i tend to have problems wounding and my rends are low

tzeentch>=nurgle>khorne>=slaanesh but with incursion they're all pretty good

>>49188285
Tzeentch probably.
Nurgle is tough but too slow, best at standing still and holding objectives while other gods do the dirty work
Slaanesh is fast and killy but too squishy, needs support to work.
Khorne is in the middle
Tzeentch can just shoot shit so it doesnt matter, as well as Kairos Fateweaver,screamers, pink horrors, and flamers are amazing as well as amazing physic phases.

I can work with this but im not sure if it is worth all the Muhreen butthurt whining.

>Only one Cult Marine formation in the new book

>>49188390
Tell that to the Tech Priest Dominus

>>49188510

Main studio, they can't control that.

>>49188496

Not a formation, just an option to take them in the Decurion

>>49188496
>Not a formation.

>>49188557
I know, I'm just peeved there aren't more legion ones, or stuff like Plauge marine, or Rubric stuff.

>All these Warpsmith formations
>No cult shit

Iron Warriors finally see some fucking love

>>49187570

is missing Terminator formation

>>49188576
It wasn't going to have cult stuff anyway except more Khorne trash. =[

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>>49187570
Not that bad actually... Well fuck, I guess the time for miracles isn't over just yet. And nice to see some limitations on the DS charge, I might be able to actually run this and not feel like a dick. Hell, I might actually go through with that Raptor cult of Slaanesh homebrew that I have been thinking

>>49183807
Base painted the last of my Imperial Fists, going to do the rest of the base paints tonight or tomorrow evening. I've got a friendly tournament on Saturday and I'm hoping to have all my Fists finished my then.

>>49188284
I can potentially bring 2 Heavy Flamers, but that means no Dominions, and no relentless MM.

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>Gw makes fucking garbagre ork something
>Everyone complains
>Puts effort into next one
>Repeat ad infinitum

Just fucking kill me

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What are the good Deldar models?
How do I try to win?

I'm guessing lots of Bikes and Venoms with Warriors in them. Scourges for sure. Ravagers, yes/no?
Are Venoms pretty much always better than Raiders?
What's the best HQ?

>>49186205
Tauroxes are so ugly I'm just going to use the IG codex and give them a chimera
But would that be too expensive? Would I be better off with just taking infantry?

>>49188760
>he doesn't love the fun truck

>>49188265
Nope, no he did not. Failed twice in a row. Hence the disbelief and gnashing of teeth.

>>49188274
Yup. Rest of the army was painted tho, so I didn't much care. Dire Avengers took one out in overwatch due to bad rolls.

>>49188775
To be fair i'm pretty sure the fun truck stopped loving him first

>>49185971
That's not even what they do now, retard.

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>>49185756
Nice, thanks Anon.

>>49187613
I like the lost and damned one.
I suppose that's just damning it with faint praise.

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So with the MoK that's 5 S5 I5 AP3 re-rolling wounds attacks/head on a charge. That's fucking nasty

>>49188712

Everyone here will tell you play something else or take 200pts of Deldar and ally 1650 points of something else.

>>49188712
Raiders for anything you want to get in to close combat aka grotesques.

>>49188864
On T4 / 3+ body that costs how much each?

>>49188946
5++ too

>>49188946

Everyone is still happy about stuff looking useful.

Let them be happy for now.

They don't need to remember that possessed are 26pt base and Warp Talons are 30 base

And none of them have grenades despite being melee units.

Let them be happy for now.

>>49188989
>26pt base
And no real choice of assault transports?

>>49188869
I'm aware. I'll never do that though. They can't make me take the boring Eldar. They CANT

>>49188864
Gotta throw an Icon o' Wrath on that.

>>49189009

I JUST TOLD YOU TO LET THEM BE HAPPY!

>>49189009

W..We always have Dreadclaws....

>>49188989
>>49189042

Son you put the first twenty nails in that particular coffin.

>>49188838

Updated one here

>>49187313

Let me know if you see any flaws.

I'm pretty triggered that the Chaos Warband has objective secured, since after the Blood Angel supplement that will be released soon, that will obviously include a core formation with OS, my Space Wolves will remain the only SM army without that rule for its core options and the fact that the actual decurion rule sucks doesn't help

>>49188712
>>49189030
You pretty much got it.
scourges, warriors in venoms, bikes, grotesques in raiders and the haemonculi coven formations.

Is there a PDF for kill team available yet?

>>49189030

Then you're like me.

I just started, and this is what I grabbed. Haven't had a chance to put them together yet because I just cleared off my table. Still need to get a new florescent bulb for some good lighting.

Yes those are Wyches and I'm going to use them dammit

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>>49189160
Fuck me here's the pic.

>>49189131

Someone uploaded an epub to here the other day, check a few threads back you might find it, ctrl+f filedropper

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>>49189115

>SW player tears

>>49187570
Nice! Thanks man. This has made my week.

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>>49189185

Did you buy that a GW?

>>49188334
If you play Kill Team the way it's supposed to be, with lots of scenography, flamers are worth their price and then some.
If you factor in their AP4, and that 2+ (in non Heralds of Ruin games) is banned, then you only have SPEHS MAREENS equivalents to worry about. And walkers and tanks, but you would never point a flamer to them (unless open topped).

And even if the opponent avoids your flamers altogether, they work great as area denial.

>>49188712
Read the 1d4chan guide, it's pretty neat. Essentially, if you have money, 5 man kabalite squads in Venoms, if you don't, 10 kabalites in Raiders. And then season with Reavers with caltrops and lances/Scourges with blasters, and perhaps add Incubi in a Venom.

All HQs are workable, you can either get a dirt cheap one and stock up on troops, or try to build a succubus murdermachine+haemi for that Power from pain bonus+Bloodbrides deepstriking, or a Blaster deepstriking archonn with trueborn with blasters.

>>49183807
Looking for the new Kill Team rules and considering a group of Scourges to form the backbone of a team.

>>49188864
>THREE fucking possessed units
>And a prince who has to babysit them

Motherfucker they could have D-weapons and i still wouldn't bother with that shit

So they just took all the BL/CS formations, added like one extra unit and changed the benefit slightly? how fucking lazy

>>49188946
Compared to what we have before? The delivery system is still found wanting, but these little buggers will munch marines like skittles if they make into CC. Can you say the same for, lets say Genestealers?

Kill Team:

Neurothrope

Zoanthrope

Zoanthrope

5 spore mines.

Yes yes this does in fact mean I would need to make a spore mind a specialist.

>>49189185
Your wyches are beautiful and you are beautiful. Carry on, fellow transgender sodomite.

>>49188712
In short.

Bikes with clustercaltrops are good but look out for overwatch
scourges are GREAT, talon is usually pretty good, particularly with a chronos and a haemo in the formation (dark artisan) so that all can DS in together.

raiders are in my experience, GREAT. Splinterracks (reroll all misses with splinter weaponry) and aethersails you can move HOW far are my bread and butter.

Also, get about three ravagers. With lances if you want, since they are pretty solid all around, and the razorwing is one of the best cheapish fighterflyers.

>>49189185
I prefer the look of Warriors, but it's cool that you're running those

>>49184826
Damocles crusade.

They stomped at first, and then got shit stomped to the point where they had to nuke the planet, the 200 nearby planet, and the space in between, just to avoid being toppled entirely.

So I'd say chaos has a decent shot at this.

>>49189266
>5 spore mines.
Isn't Deep Striking forbiden? You're just throwing points away

>>49189266
You could use the giant spore mines as they are troops and just go full suicide Kill team

Either way give the spore mine stealth

>>49189266
Would you generate 2 WC or 6? Kill Team says Brotherhood of Psykers isn't a thing and that each model is its own unit, and you can only upgrade to a Neurothrope in a unit of 3 or more Zoanthropes.

>>49189185
That's pretty much how I started, only i converted the succubus and didn't buy any wytches.

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I picked up Tau codex and the Farsight enclave suplement because I could no longer resist my desire to go full gundamn, all the time.

How viable are the regular battlesuits and broadside suits? I got little interest in the humongous riptide or stormsurge suits.
Well, maybe a single riptide at some point, but the main idea I have right now for my army is simply just have tons of regular battlesuits, some broadsides, a couple of delvishes with breacher teams for up your face action, and couple stealth suits, with maybe 2 or 3 Firewarrior squads for fire support.

I wanna go full in your face, hot blooded combat without going straight into melee though.
Any tips?

>tfw Farsight's story is anime as fuck.

>>49189126
>>49189225
>>49189287
thanks a bunch guys
i have a feeling this army will be fun even if it is really bad. i love reavers so i'm gonna run a bunch of those

>>49183807
Salvaging what's left of my armies after the flooding.

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>When new killteams comes out right after you finish making this crap.

>my Space Wolves will remain the only SM army without that rule for its core options
>what are grey knights
you sound like a fag

>>49189460
>>49189115

>>49187319
Space wolves have one with Bjorn.

>>49189342
>and you can only upgrade to a Neurothrope in a unit of 3 or more Zoanthropes.

he has 3, and one of them got upgraded to a Neurothrope


As for Warp charges i say fuck it 2 each. book says the brood is ML2 and when the psyker phase starts they are already separate units, with each being a brood of one essentially

first time eldar list

Combined Arms Detachment 996 Points

Eldrad Ulthran

5 Wraithguard, D-Scythes, Wave Serpent
10 Guardian Defenders, Scatter Laser Platform, Wave Serpent
3 Windriders, Scatter Lasers, Warlock Leader
Fire Prism

how bad is this? playing with new players; Necrons, Skitarii, IG and Orks

Orks and Deldar are now alone at the bottom

>>49189329

True, but you got another choice that fits into 25 points?

>>49189219

No, got it from local store for 25% off msrp no shipping.

>>49189353

I figured it was a good start. The collection box is pretty solid, though I would've liked to get the old Battleforce instead since Wyches were included.

I could've concerted the Succubus, but I like the model, and want to take my time painting it. I'm also not the best at conversions.

>>49189297
I like Warriors, too. I mean, they're classic Deldar and are just fantastic models. However, I also really like Wyches, and I figure I can use them as ablative wounds for the Succubus at the very least.

>>49189524
>d-scythes in a serpent and scatbikes
by virtue of these you're gonna win some games. looks fine

>New BA supplement

I'm hype. Now we can stop being the CSM of SM.

Perfect time to make a BA kill team.

>>49189542
We don't need anybody else cramping our best-looking-armies party.

>>49189549
drop the Neurothrope and get rippers or gants

Pretty new to 40k, are Tyranids fun to play if my gaming group isn't a bunch of WAAC fags? Or are they inherently just going to get BTFO?

>>49189549

Honestly you're better off just having four Zoanthropes and modelling one as a Neurothrope to have him be the leader.

>>49187570
These are actually pretty decent, at first glance.

>>49189496
>he has 3, and one of them got upgraded to a Neurothrope
This was actually a question that I worded poorly. I was asking if you could even take a Neurothrope being that each model is its own unit. And if each Zoanthrope did generate 2 WC for all being their own unit, then that answer would be no. Who's ready for a Kill Team FAQ?

>>49189262
>Can you say the same for, lets say Genestealers?
Considering genestealers can infiltrate, they'll usually make it to combat. This possessed formation lacks a good way to move up the field and protect its lynchpin.

the problem with genestealres is they suck ass if the enemy is in cover, which everyone always is. They should really get some kind of rule letting them ignore terrain penalties for assaulting.

>>49189524

You will murderfuck anything you point Eldrad and the cheeseflamers at. You will also lose on objectives most of the time. Scatbikes can do last turn turbo boost obsec shit though.

Your friends may kill you and smash your models btw. D Scythe wraiths in a Serpent is ridiculously good at deleting things from the table.

>>49189524
oh wait you took TWO serpents? AND d-scythes?
yeah dude that list is crazy good your friends will hate you

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>>49189368
Anyone?
I have never played tau, and only played against them like 3 times, so I don't really know if battlesuit heavy army is viable, or how it should be kitted out.

>>49189655
>I was asking if you could even take a Neurothrope being that each model is its own unit.

Kill-Team stuff is bought as a unit so I guess so, they should count their threshold numbers and then get divided into one-man units at deployment.

>>49189732
what would you recommend that's less cheesy?

I want to stay away from resin so no aspect warriors

>>49189701
>Your friends may kill you and smash your models btw
really makes you wonder what his non-friends who play him might do.

>>49189737
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Tau(7E)
glad i could help out

>>49189757
No finecast REALLY limits you. You can go footslogging Wraithguard with Scythes, or with Melee weapons, as if someone should get into their range, they deserve everything they get

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>>49187570
>Solid decurion bonus
>fluffy and fun formations
>interesting army possibilities
>i dont need to buy a single model to acsess most of these
> the vindicator/preditor buff

I..Is it really true, are we getting ncier things
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKING WONDERFUL!

>>49189755
>Kill-Team stuff is bought as a unit so I guess so
Oh all right. Then they would all get 2 WC for being ML2 without Brotherhood of Psykers. Its still going to be impossible for that guy to use Warp Blast though.

>>49189757
why no resin?
are your windriders metal or is plastic all you have?
aspect warriors are one of the easier ways to tone down an eldar list but the other way is lots of jetbikes

>>49189824
>acsess
I got triggered, sorry.

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>defiler with a 4+ invulnerable save
Fuck it, that's enough to get it back off the shelf and give it another go. Why not.

>>49189845
Only eldar stuff I have at the moment is eldrad and a unit of wraithguards and guardians, we've been playing heralds of ruin with them and want to move on to full games sometime soon.

no resin because I've played a significant amount of other games with resin models and I never want to work with it again

>>49189368
>How viable are the regular battlesuits and broadside suits?
Very

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>mfw traitor's hate is good