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Stormhawk or Stormtalon?

>>49175831
Thunderhawk

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THIS THREAD HAS BEEN CLAIMED BY THE RESURGENT ELDAR EMPIRE!

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>no dreadnoughts in a Kill team
what's the point

>>49175878
The resurgent Eldar Empire has been claimed by Slaanesh's big meaty cock

>>49175878
BIG
EMPTY
INFINTY CIRCUITS

>Not 'CSM must always be shitty the lore says so' edition

>>49175776
Post your planned kill team lists/models. Please, I'm a curious cat.

So who has joined the Kill Team master race?

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>>49173832
>dread claws which, in some ways, are better than regular drop pods.

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>>49176042
5 breachers
5 fire warriors
Hazard suit with a gun drone

>>49175776

Aquila Killteam
4 asscannons, 4 Frag cannons, libby for invisibility, one poor little veteran with a storm shield to stand in front

Not sure now to deploy this onto the board or make it work. Suggestions?

>>49176062
intradesting. what's your plan?

I have a Fire Raptor now, what other Astartes flyers should I get to compliment it?

>>49176107
Kill the enemy

>>49176042
Already built them and played two games on Saturday with them,
6 sternguard
Sergeant with power sword and bolter/bolt pistol
Vet with HB
2 vets with combi weapons
1 vet with special
1 vet with bolter

>>49175804
I don't want spikey C:SM
I dont care if my guys cost twice as much, I just want them to be effective to those costs

I dont care so much that normal marines get the best and newest stuff. I just want the rates of change to be about equal. I want a chaos land raider that eats enemies and gains hull points back. New and weird and wonderful. I want the lord of change to get up off his ass and change things

>>49176197
Won't get any argument for me. I've nothing against CSM, I'd love for them to be playable. But it seems many people want it to be solved by making them vanilla marines with chaos, which is pure bullshit.

>>49176197
I'd like upgrades not to have a balancing act of OH YOU PAY POINTS FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS ITS OWN INTERNAL DRAWBACKS TOO.

>>49176236
*from me

>>49176245
Except there's nothing wrong with that. It only becomes a problem when the drawbacks outweigh the benefits by an inordinate extreme.

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>>49175878
I've recently gotten the Eldar start collecting set (already play BA). I think they're neat. They have a neat look to them, and their backstory is interesting to me. They also have a lot of mobility, and I like that.

I also got a War Walker, because I think they look really cool too.

So two issues:

(1) Which Craftworld should I paint them for? I like Biel-Tan because they're elf fascists who just want to protect the Exodites and destroy the barbarians. But I also really like Ulthwe, because I also hate Chaos and I like the idea of a society that is always on the brink of destruction, kept going by its leaders' ability to forecast the future and make key gambits. Eldrad seems like a cool dude.

I also like that Ulthwe doesn't have a lot of Aspect Warriors and keeps a standing force of Guardians. I'm mostly interested in the Eldar war machines anyways (Fire Prisms, Walkers, Jet Bikes) and with a few exceptions those are all piloted by Guardians, anyways.

So I'm leaning towards Ulthwe, but I also like the Biel-Tan color scheme.

Second, I'm probably going to magnetize the walker and any of its siblings, but what's the best way to field them? Just load up on scatter lasers and zap infantry to death? Or should they try to keep their distance with Bright Lances and Missiles?

>>49176264
What sense does it make to have upgrades have drawbacks other than cost and opportunity cost? (Ie, if you buy this, you can't buy something else.)

Does any other army have to deal with that, other than w/ plasma weapons?

>Returning Thousand Fluffson
So wait, with all this Killteam talk...could I actually play my Thousand Sons and stand a chance in Killteam, or is there a "no psyker" rule or something..

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>>49173631
Bumping my question to the new thread.

>>49176245
Thats what im talking about with effective for the points cost. Let demon blades be free with drawbacks, or cost with no drawbacks, or have minor drawbacks but be super powerful. Like give chaos super swords that reduce BS for the character and any unit he joins, but shoots WS through the roof

>>49176295
Orks with every single infantry unit and many of their other options, too.

Any psyker unit.

>What sense does it make to have upgrades have drawbacks other than cost and opportunity cost?

It makes total sense. You're paying X points, some of that is discounted (theoretically) because it might not work out in the way you wanted.

And, thematically, for Chaos that works pretty well.

>>49176153
how did they do? 6 seems like it might have problems vs higher model count kill teams? Though I plan on having 6 guys in mine as well..

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>>49176273
Biel-Tan's color scheme is more interesting than Black and Bone.
Use war walkers to make up whatever your army lacks in firepower. If you've got lots of anti-tank give them scatter lasers, if you've got enough anti-infantry give them bright lances.

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Playing 1k Objectives. Ultramarines vs Khorne Marines and Daemons.

Which of these two lists is better?

List A: Demi Company
>HQ
Cato Sicarius

>Elites
Dreadnought (Assault Cannon, Power Fist with Stormbolter)

>Fast Attack
1x Landspeeders squad with 3 Landspeeders (each one has 2 HB)

>Troops
2x Tac Squad 5man (Rhino with dozer blade, plasma gun)
1x Tac Squad 9man (Rhino with dozer blade, flamer)

>Heavy
1x Dev Squad 5man (4 Missile Launchers)


----


List B: CAD
>HQ
Cato Sicarius

>Fast Attack
3x Individual Landspeeders (each has 2 HB)

>Troops
2x Tac Squad 5man (Rhino with dozer blade, plasma gun)
1x Tac Squad 5man (Rhino with dozer blade, flamer)
1x Scout Snipers with cloaks, 5man

>Heavy
1x Dev Squad 5man (4 Missile Launchers)
1x Vindicator with Dozer blade


---


So the advantages of each are:
List A has a Dreadnought and a 9man Tac squad for Cato to join. Also it is a Demi Company, so I get obsec on everything and an extra tac doctrine.

List B has a Vindicator, a scout sniper squad, and the 3 landspeeders are individual instead of being in one squad.

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So in theory if I wanted to convert something to look like the Doom Marine, what would be a better conversion base, militarum temptestus or marines? Also any other converting suggestions for it. I'm alright but not great with greenstuff

>>49176342
Won both games, but thqt was probably due to luck and a better understanding of the game, still rule of cool trumps all others

>>49175878
eldar are such a cool looking army. i wish their lore wasn't defined entirely by the birth of slaanesh. they feel like tolkien elves in space with a bunch of extra shit thrown on that doesn't fit

>>49176314
The size should be the same. I use IG plasma pistols for my CSM and people can't tell the difference

>>49176419
Marines would be a better start since Scions have those backpacks that don't fit Doomguy and their armor is more medieval than futuristic

>>49176419
eisenkern stormtroopers by dreamforge games

>>49176494
Oh right, cool.

>>49176340
Except they dont have the added benefit that outweighs their drawback that they should
And saying team A doesnt need help, because Team B (That also needs help) also has problems, doesnt seem to make much sense
Yes taking a psyker could possibly backfire on you and summon a Bloodthirster turn one. But the potential benefits are massive so its worth the rare drawbacks

>>49176535
There's also an element of control over the drawbacks for a psyker. It's ~possible to play one in such a way that they'll never perils, by being Eldar, or taking a Librarius Conclave, or just throwing single dice at it rather than multiple.

Daemonic Possession has no such control element (Which is the upgrade I was originally talking about.)

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>>49176358
>Biel-Tan's color scheme is more interesting than Black and Bone.

Yeah, it is, and the thorn motif is pretty neat. Still, given that I'd probably be focusing on vehicles and bikes more than aspect warriors I'm not sure how well it would fit with the Biel-Tan theme.

Could do Yme-Loc because they like tanks and such.

>Use war walkers to make up whatever your army lacks in firepower. If you've got lots of anti-tank give them scatter lasers, if you've got enough anti-infantry give them bright lances.

How would fire prisms count for that? They've got a fine anti-tank weapon, but they're better at mulching infantry, right? The prism cannon only fires one shot at a time. A war walker could carry two Bright Lances -- squadron of three and that's 6 lance shots, hopefully into something's sides or rear.

>>49176042
Shamelessly jacking your post to ask how to run KDK Kill Team.
I do not own any Rhinos.

>>49176453
what combi weapons did you take if you don't mind me asking

>>49176610
I'm this Anon.
What do you guys think of 8 Bloodletters, 5 Bikes? All as normal.
Lacking?

>>49176042
15 Secutarii Peltasts

It's gonna be cool

>>49176710
Alternatively I could do 3 Bloodcrushers, 8 cultists. The cultists have autoguns.

>>49176042
Inquisition list, made more for fun and cool factor:

Ministorum Priest
-Leader: Been There, Seen It, Done It
-Feel No Pain
-Eviscerator
Acolyte
-Power Armor
-Plasma Pistol
Acolyte
-Carapace
-Plasmagun
Acolyte
-Carapace
-Plasmagun
Death Cult Assassin
-Exploit Weakness
Death Cult Assassin
-Hit & Run
Daemonhost
-Killer Instict
Arco-flagellant
Arco-flagellant

>>49176524
Eh, as someone who owns a box they really wouldn't be great at all. Chestpiece has a collar, pauldrons are completely different, and the helmet is nothing alike.

We have a scan of the new kill team rules yet?

I'm ready to head down to my LGS and play a couple of games.

>>49176963
Hopefully someone puts it in the OP next thread.

https://mega.nz/#!TlkwQRiZ!asNUaMsOTb-vtQwqHaEaf8xFPvdCVqL47eZBWNPjLF0
>Use Redium

>>49176590
Thinking about it more, I could also do something for Yme Loc like the Biel Tan thorn: Maybe a chain theme, since they're connected to Vaul and Vaul was chained (by Khaine) to his anvil. That might be fun on the bikes and tanks.

>>49176710
>>49176811
Do 11 bloodletters and 9 cultists with autoguns. From playing HoR Kill Team, I can attest that more bodies is usually better than superior units.

>>49176042
I use this

Crusader Squad (5)
3xBP+CCW (Murderous Blows and the other with Infiltrate)
Sword Brother w/ Combi-Flamer
1x Missile Launcher (Expert Shot or Relentless)
Rhino w/ 2x Storm Bolters

Attack bike w/ Multi-melta

Everyone stays in the rhino and infiltrates and the Missile guy either stays inside the rhino or deploys on a vantage point.

>>49177085
Not him but what about Daemons? Assuming Tzeentch/Slaanesh rather than Khorne/Nurgle ('cause that's what I have)

i'm thinking 15 horrors, 5 seekers? upgrade 1 of the seekers for the last 5 points

>>49176042
I am thinking to use a couple of Ravenwing knights. Not sure how I'll handle swarms, but eh.

Still sad that I can't have my 5 deathwing terminators against a swarm of enemies.

>>49177212
Pink Horrors don't actually do anything in Kill Team. Brotherhood of Psykers doesn't work.

>>49177261
uhh
the horrors are daemonettes then i guess lol

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Will Cadia finally fall or will it be bypassed as the Eye of Terror completely opens?

Trying to come up with a Killteam is surprisingly difficult. Most of the armies I have (Genestealers, Wraiths, Necrons) aren't very Your Dudes friendly. Maybe I'll do up some more Death Company, they seem like they'd be pretty good.

>>49177403
yeah thats the thing with the "take a squad at a time" rule. a lot of armies have to take like 20 models of generic dudes from the same unit with no customization and it loses a lot of the appeal

>>49177212
Horrors lose their psychic powers, so you're better off with Daemonettes.
Could do Flamers and Screamers though.

>>49176042
Four vanilla Skyweavers.

>>49177447
Yeah, and now looking at my elite customizable units, they soak up so many points that I can't do anything interesting without going way over 200. So now I'm looking at 5 DC marines that with a really basic spread of gear are already maxing out my points.

>>49177403
I see a ton of possibilities with Genestealers and a small group of something else. Lots of single model elite choices too.
Just pick out some fitting Specialist abilities, and make your specialists look 'battlescared', or even grab some Genestealer cultists models and run them as normal stealers.

>>49177248

Hit and run handles swarms; devastate them with shooting, get your 4 attacks on the charge, then run away on their turn so you can do it again.

>>49176042

Toying with a bunch of possibilities.
-Flanking Pathfinders with rail/ion and especial drones.
-Flanking Kroots
-Firewarriors with turret + Breachers.
-Crisis Bodyguard with characteristic systems.

Is there look out sir! in Kill Team? Can you go to grown?

Genestealer cults work nice too!

Favoured Disciples, 85
Faithful Throng, 110

28 models, with 4 special weapons. Not bad.

>>49177574
No Look Out Sir (as it would require models to be in the same 'unit', but in KT they're individual units), but you can Go to Ground.

How do you use markerlights in KillTeam? Is it just for individual soldiers or for the whole team firing at a single model?

>>49176678
Grav, was fighting marines

>>49176042

10 Marauders, 1 Brute
-Sniper w/ increased range of 54''
-Stubber w/ re-rolls on 2 wounds
-Brute w/ FNP

3 Sentinels
-3 heavy flamers

Since we're ALL talking about Kill Team;

11 Plaguebearers (1 Plagueridden)
3 Nurglings
1 Beast of Nurgle.

Eh??
Alternatively, the Nurglings and 1 Plaguebearer can be cut for 2 Beasts of Nurgle.

>>49177657
Marker lights are expended after a unit uses them, so only individual models can use them as they are a unit unto itself.

New to Warhammer 40k
Which one is the most powerful species/civilization right now ?

>>49177657
A single model is a whole unit. So markerlights are generated on single dudes, and consumed by single attacks. Just imagine a single model is a whole blob of dudes condensed.

>>49177715
you're gonna wanna play tyranids
get shit tons of boxes of hormagaunts and swarm your opponent in them
get an allied detachment of orks and get lots of ork boyz as well (they're good for swarming too)

>>49177715
Fluffwise? Imperium, tyranids arent a civilization and the Necrons and Eldar are dying even harder than the Imperium.

my kill team list is so good

itll do really well

KDK

8 berzerkers

champion has axe of khorne and meltabombs

watch out guys, cheese coming through

>>49177715
You talking in theory
or in the game?
You talking physical strength, ability to exert power? Need some guidelines here?

>>49177772
>no rhino
ur fucked kid

>>49177687
Illegal. Marauders can only be taken if you have an HQ with Master of the Renegades special rule.

>>49177715
Tyranids and Orks

with KDK, the Goredrinker ruling is inconsistent in different sources. the Battlescribe says that the Goredrinker needs to be used for it's effect, while 1d4chan and Codex says no.
I'm curious to what is the current ruling for Goredrinker?

also I find it funny that in 1d4chan it says that duel-wielding powersword/Goredrinker is the way to go, when you can replace the sword with L.Claw for the same price.
>AP3 with shred on a Chaos lord for 15pts? yes please.

KillTeam 66 Conscripts.

Am I doing it right?

>>49177828
The codex is the only source you should be using.

>>49177843
Yes, but only if you name and write a backstory for each and every conscript.

>>49177772
>hey, this entire army's existence is based around this gimmick
>let's just remove it entirely instead of spending fifteen seconds thinking up an alternate tithe table for them to use
It's disgusting that people are getting so excited for such a lazy, poorly designed, piece of shit.

>>49177828
>the Goredrinker ruling is inconsistent in different sources
Then why are you checking form second hand sources?
>I find it funny that in 1d4chan it says that duel-wielding powersword/Goredrinker is the way to go, when you can replace the sword with L.Claw for the same price.
You will lose an attack when you finally start using the axe if you go with a claw

>>49177843
Sure, you can come over and fight my 66 plague zombies. It'll be a blast.

>>49177799
Negative. Marauders are taken if your leader has no devotion to chaos. As I do not have a commander, I do not have a devotion to chaos for my army, therefor they are available. Taking any other option, such as devotion to nurgle, precludes the availability of marauders.

As per local store ruling. We've emailed FW to confirm this line of thought.

>>49177899
I'm not being sarcastic or joking. I am dead fucking serious.
Do not confuse the newbie. Orks are DEADLY.

>>49177715
The people telling you play Tyranids and Orks are trolls. They are among the weakest codices right now. Eldar, Tau and Space Marines are the best these days.

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>>49177946

>>49177873
>A chance to roll on a chart to get +1 attack or strength, *if* your one character happens kills the other guys one character.
>How dare they remove this rule

>>49177916
>May only be selected through the use of the Master of Renegades special rule
>If the Primary Detatchment of the army includes an Arch-demagouge as its Warlord then certain additional units are available for use in the army based on which Chaos Covenant has been selected.
No Arch-demagogue, no Marauders.

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>>49177946
>being this bad at 40k

>>49177973
A, when it's the closest thing to a army special rule that a faction has, it sucks to completely remove it when most other factions keep their rules just fine.

B, that's not even the right faction, dumbass. Why don't you shitpost somewhere else?

>>49177856
>>49177881
>Then why are you checking from second hand sources?
I have read the Codex but I do not know if there was an errata for KDK thus my confusion when Battlescribe says differently.
Was there an errata for KDK?

>>49178022
My bad, I thought you were bitching about Champion of Chaos. I saw Zerkers and jumped.

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>>49177873
its not like the blood tithe table wasnt just a big fuck you to us anyway

>here khorne player, we know how much you love CSM being focused on demons and cults, so heres a shitty codex that forces you to spam demons and cultists
>see, watching your own units get raped to death is fun, everytime they die you get a point that can be used to give your berzerkers great bonuses like rage and furious charge, which they totally dont already have
thanks gw

>>49177536
Well, having to charge the target of your shooting phase is a problem, as a combined shooting + charge with a Corvus hammer seems a tad overkill. All 4 attacks will go on my target, after all.

>>49178056
kdks not a shitty codex if you mean power
summonings pretty good

>>49178056
Insatiable Bloodlust is kinda neat since it gives each subfaction the USR that the other one gets by default...except both sides already get pretty widespread access to both rules anyways.

>>49178093
KDK is only good if you want to spam dogs and cultists, and summon demons.

that big angry red space marine on the cover doesnt actually benefit from the book at all

What is the battlefield role of the Dark Artisan formation? You deep strike it in the enemies face, then what? Go for warlords/HQ's? Or what?

Does tactical doctrine apply when overwatching?

>>49176042
Haven't had a lok at the updated rules but figured I'd try to emulate the DoW 2 crew, and then fill in the rest.

>>49178358
Nope.

>>49177881
>You will lose an attack when you finally start using the axe if you go with a claw
I've considered what you said. While true, it doesn't seem as too much of a loss.

KDK Chaos Lord is already getting a +2A because Rage, and I plan on biking him so he gets that extra HoW (+bike squad). Also, I don't see myself using the Axe unless it's a Vehicle/TEQ where the axe is more effective but suffers to Unwieldy, which makes the loss of a single melee attack doesn't seem too important since I'm striking last with it anyways against TEQs, whereas the L.Claw will give me more wounds to inflict in early game assault to buff the Goredrinker effect.

which reminds me of another question I have
>if you get one of the higher tier effects from Goredrinker, do you get the lower ones too at the same time?

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>>49177946
Tyranids are my favorite due to my love of the Alien movies. Since childhood, I would watch any movie that had outer space alien seeking to kill and reproduce in mass numbers (Predators are also cool). Those aliens in starship trooper were also cool.

>>49178660
Movie Bugs a shit.

How's this KT look?

>Deldar Kill Team 200pts

Wyches x7
>Dirty Specialist - Exploit Weakness
Wych w/Hydra Gauntlets

Scourges x5
>Weapon Specialist - Sharpshooter
Scourge w/Blaster
>Indomitable Specialist - Relentless
Scourge w/Splinter cannon
>Leader
Solarite w/Splinter pistol + Venom blade

>>49178732
i'd rather run warriors over wyches

>>49176042
Blood Angels

Tac Squad with Plasma Gun

Assault Squad with 2x Plasma Gun

Tac squad stands in line of sight to soak wounds and provide intervening models cover. Plasma gunners kill shit, assault squad dudes charge at dangerous things with HoW and ties them up in combat.

All three plasma gunners are specialists, one with FNP, one with Master Crafted, the other will also get some sort of re-rolling buff if I can get it.

>>49178440
>>49176042
That is to say:
Bossnob
Stormboy Nob
Tankbusta Nob (No lootas sadly)
Kommando Nob

>>49178771
Probably. I like having Rending on the Hydra Gauntlet, though. I didn't see a specialist option that Kabalites could use that the Scourges aren't already using.

>>49178015
Man, why are there people out there that hate fun?

I don't play R&H but I can't imagine those marauders are THAT good that people need to sperg out over them. What happened to rule of cool? The sentinels are the scary part.

>>49176042
combination of, or exclusively, crisis suits, stealth suits, drones and/or pathfinders
would run breachers but fucking devilfishes arent allowed in KT for some dumb fucking reason...

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>>49178985
If they wanna run that list, more power to em. The game is hardly 'balanced'. I could 'legally' run 66 conscripts. So what should I give if something is 'legal'

But to be like 'Ehem, no, my list is perfectly legal', when its blatantly not, is fucking stupid. That rule requires zero interpretation. Its not 'sperging out' to just post the rule verbatim.

>>49179056
Devilfishes are fine. 33 armour on the nose, not more than 3 hull points. I fail to see how it's illegal.

>>49179127
wasnt there a list of allowed units in the new kill team? devilfishes werent on there for tau

Got my 3rd game going on today, 650pts of my Eldar vs Necrons. I know he's got Orikan, whom I hear is a bugger to kill, so my plan is to load up on shuriken cannons and drown him in rends whilst my Scorps and Avengers hold down any other threats. Am I boned?

>>49177946
He is right

>>49179167
No. There was a blurry picture posted without context. Has nothing to do with kill team. The book has no restrictions aside from
>No more than 33 armour
>No more than 3 hp/wounds
>No flyers
>0-2 Troops, 0-1 Elite, 0-1 Fast Attack
And a spattering of special rules changes.

>>49179173
Orikan doesn't care about ap, you want volume of fire or a D weapon.

>>49179201
oh cool
nvm then breachers in d fishes hooo

>>49179228
Well I'm not taking D weapons until 1500pts, so I guess switch out the shuriken cannon jetbikes for scatbikes? I hear they are OP, but are 3 of them ok against a high-tier army like Necrons?

>>49178660
>Starship Troopers

This nigga knows

>>49179324
It kinda depends on how hes using orikan. If he's just used as a super cryptek in support of warriors cannons will do fine. Otherwise yeah, scats are a good idea, especially as you'll be able to outrange pretty much everything necrons have.

>>49176042

I keep on trying to think of an Ork kill team list, and I honestly can't think of anything. Everything just seems way too crippled to work.

>>49179389
Boys, Kommandos, and Stormboys. Bodies is key in Kill Team.

>>49179457
hrmn. how good could a kill team of sicarian ruststalkers or infiltrators do?

>>49179474
Not great, considering you're getting 5-6 dudes that are T3. Infiltrators maybe though, they're pretty good, I bet flachette blasters preform well in kt.

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Abaddon's thirteenth Black Crusade threatens to be the greatest war ever to engulf the Imperium (and that's saying something!). For years, the Despoiler has been poised to make his move. And now, it begins.

>Traitor's Hate' is a brand new campaign book that details the first strike in Abaddon's latest campaign, as the forces of Chaos descend upon an Imperial world with Khârn the Betrayer at their head. The Blood Angels stand against them and the scene is set for an epic battle.

Remember when people disagreed with the fact that the 13th Black Crusade was larger and greater than the HH? They got BTFO.

The forces Abaddon commands dwarf anything Horus ever commanded. And on his sides he has mighty legends like Doombreed, Be'lakor. and the Daemon Primarchs/

What does the Imperium have? Nothing. The Loyalist Primarchs are long gone. The Emperor is dying. The Eldar slit their own throats in Death Masque. The Dark Eldar are undergoing their own apocalypse. The imperium sealed the Tau behind a wall of fire. The Necrons have gone silent on a galactic scale. The Orks are smashing into the Imperium.

The imperium stands alone and it won't stand for long.

GET HYPE!

>>49179457

But we're talking 6+ or, at best, 4+ saves. It just feels like even bolters are going to rip any Ork specialist apart.

>>49179560
And that's why bodies are key. 5 bolter toting marines can only kill at most 5 orks in a turn. 20+ orks could potentially kill 5 marines faster. Also think cover (and a pretty big lack of 'Ignores Cover'), since you wanna play on a dense board. Infiltrate for objectives, tarpit things with stormboys, and throw dice at them with the boys.

>>49179525
Yeah, careful about relying too much on a few models with 5+

Relying on cover gets you killed when people seem to spam flamers. Or that tau guy who had 3 crisis suits with double airbursting fragmentation blasters. Large blasts with ignores cover and AP5 is brutal against armies relying on cover.

At least orders are weaker here, unlike in HoR, where the local IG faggot have all but forced cover ignoring shenanigans, thanks to pushing in the Tau bros who accepted not to bring markerlights at all, into spamming them anyway. Him using a ton of high S, how AP guns with the ignore cover bubble was just plain bullshit, and he was tabling pretty much everybody. Not enough Los blocking terrain, sadly.

>>49179641
It's not quite as bad as you can spread out a lot more to avoid templates.

>>49179664
But when you only have like 10 models, you are kinda fucked when the enemy hits even 3 of your dudes with flamers. They'll pretty much just drop dead without much chance of surviving.

>>49179548
Yeah, but we have Drop Pods.

>>49176042

See

>>49178732

I think Scourges have more potential than Reavers in KT because of the 4+/6++, plus the weapon options. I'm tempted to swap the relentless Canon for a relentless Dark Lance because they're only going to be shooting one model.

>>49178795
Illegal list. You can only have 1 elite choice at max.

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>>49179548
>GET HYPE!
Way ahead of you. I mean, a formation of 48 old Berzerkers? I can fucking wait!

>>49179789
Why can't Berzerkers look like the FW world eaters...

>>49176042
5 Rustalkers with omni mask. Or maybe something with grotesques I'm not sure yet.

>>49179548

>Bigger than the HH
>Going to get stopped by one chapter and some beep boops

Not seeing it.

>>49176308

You can play them in kill team, just be aware that unless you roll doombolt you won't be able to reliably deal with enemy transports.

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>>49179903
Traitor's Hate is the first strike/first blood of the war. It's fitting that Kharn will draw first blood in the war that will end the Imperium.

>>49179947
>Eight skulls of each world eater leftover commander after HH

If not for the derpy face that pic would be perfect.

>>49176062
>5 Breachers
>5 Fire Warriors
You just said 10 Fire Warriors.

>>49176042

200 pt SoB kill team

Celestians x5
Flamer
>Specialist - Relentless
Multi-Melta
>Specialist - Rending
Superior w/Bolt Pistol+Chainsword

Dominions x5
Melta x3
>Specialist - Eagle Eye
Melta
>Leader
Veteran Superior

10 3+/6++ bodies, 4 meltas(one 18"), a flamer, and a relentless multi melta seems pretty good I think.

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>>49179548
>The Necrons have gone silent on a galactic scale
because they manipulated abadababdabaddon into taking the talismans of vaul out of imperial protection to be more easily destroyed when he overextends on cadia

>getting hype for a watered down and likely butchered re-telling of something that was quite good

>>49175970
>CSM are as insufferable, whiny and entitled as always.
Seems about right.

>>49179965
I count 7?

>>49180002
>why do csm want a playable army?
>*spams grav*

>>49180005
Da fuck.

>>49180021
Go play Eternal Crusade. Chaos is OP as fuck in that.

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>>49179986
>because they manipulated abadababdabaddon into taking the talismans of vaul out of imperial protection to be more easily destroyed when he overextends on cadia

You mean the C'tan known as the Deceiver manipulated Abaddon into causing the Gothic War in order to remove the BSF from the board.

This goes into the trash now because it's Oldcron fluff and the C'tan are sharded. The Blackstone Fortresses pose no threat to the Necrons.

The Newcrons disappeared from the scene in end of 999 41K. They might be planning something or maybe they decided to wait out the Apocalypse. We don't know.

>EoT
>Good

Basically, it ended with nothing achieved and no meaningful change to the setting. It was a failure.

>>49180043
wut?

>>49180072
It's a warhammer game that's in alpha right now. Full of bugs and terrible balance. Chaos is OP as fuck because literally every single dev is a Chaos-fag.

>>49180055
>Basically, it ended with nothing achieved and no meaningful change to the setting.
>chaos didn't win so nothing happened
you're hilarious

>This goes into the trash now because it's Oldcron fluff and the C'tan are sharded.
It's chaos fluff. It's imperial fluff. It's eldar fluff. The gothic war remains unchanged, and we know shards can still do things behind the scenes. That's why newcrons are so paranoid about actually using the things.

Does quantum shielding count for the AV limit in Kill Team?

>>49180149
Yeah, nothing changed. Status quo was preserved which is the worst thing ever. So new fluff will automatically be better.

>It's chaos fluff. It's imperial fluff. It's eldar fluff. The gothic war remains unchanged,

No, it has changed. The C'tan involvement is no longer mentioned in any GW retelling.

>nd we know shards can still do things behind the scenes.

Don't tell a Necronfag about his own fluff!

The C'tan shards are mostly feral and dumb. They don't have the brain power to plan huge wars or anything. There is ZERO fluff of C'tan shards being anything else but dumb weapons of war.

>That's why newcrons are so paranoid about actually using the things.

They are cautious because there is a small chance of C'tan shards being freed from their bonds and murdering everything around them.

>Zoanthropes are Brotherhood of Psykers
>Ignore Brotherhood of Psykers for KT
>GW batrep for KT has Zoans using powers

Does this mean that each model is its own psyker?

>>49180158
Technically no.

>>49180220
There are 2 possibilities
>GW fucked up
Coulda put the White Dwarf out before Kill Team was in print.
or
>Zoanthrope simply has the power regardless.
Like a Broodlord, it *does* say that the Zoanthrope has the power, instead of saying it has to generate it.

So, since that's GW's stance, yeah, every Zoanthrope is a psyker.

>>49180220
Shut the fuck up and buy more Zoanthropes!

If I run Skitarii solo, am I totally boned?

Is a five-man DC squad a bad idea for KT? I feel like I'm gonna get blown the fuck out for having such a small team. Individually they're pretty killy, though.

>Jump packs
>Thunder Hammer, Bolter
>Power Sword, Bolt Pistol
>Chainsword, Hand Flamer
>Chainsword, Infernus Pistol
>Chainsword, Plasma Pistol

I feel like I've got an okay spread there, I'm just worried about being overwhelmed by bigger teams.

>>49180213
Forgot to add that thinking C'tan shards would go after the Blackstone Fortresses is incredibly dumb. What sharded and killed the C'tan were the Necron super weapons. If the C'tan shards were intelligent creatures, they would hunt the tombs that hide these weapons or pursue the Silent King who hid them.

The Blackstone fortresses play no role in the Newcron lore. The C'tan shards caring about them is nonsensical. It's like caring about a needle lost in a haystack when your mortal enemy has a chainsaw on standby.

>>49180264
>>49180269

>Pink Horrors are Psykers
>22 horrors is 198pts
>each is a psyker
>1d6+22 warp charges
>FLICKERING FIRE FOR DAYZ

>>49176042
Tweaked my list a bit from the last thread

200 pt gk kill team

7 Purifiers:
1 knight of the flame, halberd
2 purifiers, falchions (one with killer instinct, one with machine saboteur)
3 purifiers, swords
1 purifier, psycannon (relentless)

>>49179778
Then fuck that shitty game.
Already locked me outta heavy support where half my wortwhile shit is.

>>49180213
>Yeah, nothing changed. Status quo was preserved
you're just precious

>chaos losing so hard the eye recedes is just the status quo
>cadia actually getting so thoroughly destroyed its people have to completely evacuate and become nomads is business as usual
>orks setting up fortress worlds in the cadian gate to prove a point is nothing out of the ordinary
>dark eldar saying "fuck putting us on the evil side, GW" and kicking ahriman out of the webway is standard behaviour
>necrons revealing they'd been playing abaddon like a damn fiddle for years and blowing up his toy is nothing special
>eldrad getting killed because he's a dingus happens every day
You just don't like it because it's plot advancement that doesn't favor chaos.

>No, it has changed. The C'tan involvement is no longer mentioned in any GW retelling.
It hasn't changed. The "retellings" are point for point the same as they always were. It's not until eldrad and the talismans themselves show up around cadia that the readers are informed that the necrons have been planning something.

>They are cautious because there is a small chance of C'tan shards being freed from their bonds and murdering everything around them.
They are cautious because there is a chance the C'tan shards will break free from bondage and start trying to rule them again.

>>49179548
>bigger than the HH
Uh, source?
I mean, even disregarding the fact that Chaos seems to have eaten all the good gear from back then I cannot see how half the *legions*, a good third of the mechanicum and the imperial army and all the daemons ever can be any less than what Abby has now.
Nevermind how the traitors are also saddled with ten-thousand years of betrayal, deceit, petty vengance, civil war and other shit.
But I guess author fiat is a thing, so it's probably true.

>>49175888
Why aren't those dreads armed with chainfists on both arms anon?

>>49179548
Does Abbdons forces number ~a million marines?

Sons of Horus - Between 130,000 and 170,000
Iron Warriors - 150,000 to 180,000
World Eaters - 150,000
Word Bearers - 100,000 to 150,000
Night Lords - 90,000 to 120,000
Emperor's Children - 110,000
Death Guard - 95,000
Alpha Legion - 90,000 to 180,000
Thousand Sons - 10,000.

Got a question about Necron cheese. What are the units you should ideally avoid to give your opponent a fighting chance and how many of them would be cross the threshold from "strong but fair" to "Get the fuck out of here"?

Or is everything ok as long as you run a CAD?

>>49180368
Yes, nothing changed. Cadia has a massive invasion every hundred years and then gets rebuild.

What the Orks did was of no value.

Ahriman fails as usual.

And C'tan manipulating the scenes and the Warmaster was known since their codex release and the Gothic War storyline.

The only thing that might be counted as a change is Eldrad fate but it was hinted that he not be dead.

Yeah, nothing changed. Everything was going back to the way it was.

>It hasn't changed. The "retellings" are point for point the same as they always were. It's not until eldrad and the talismans themselves show up around cadia that the readers are informed that the necrons have been planning something.

Wrong, wrong. We were told that the C'tan were involved in Codex Oldcrons.

Newcron fluff mention nothing of that or on top of that Eldrad new story has him focusing 100% on Chaos and not focusing on the Necrons at all.

>They are cautious because there is a chance the C'tan shards will break free from bondage and start trying to rule them again.

Come don't be an idiot.

Name a single freed C'tan shards that attempted to take control over the Necrons? You can't.

Necron shards who get freed destroy the Necrons and escape every single time.

>>49180271
nope

>>49180378
>Uh, source?

-The Night Lords Omnibus.
-The Traitor's Hand ad announcement
"Abaddon's thirteenth Black Crusade threatens to be the greatest war ever to engulf the Imperium"
-The Black Legion supplement

Posting Night Lords quotes in a few minutes.

>>49180441
Pretty much yeah.

>>49180441
Most of the power comes from the decurion and fast attack units.

>>49180481
Please don't, carnac

>>49180446
Also it was shown that C'tan shards are too dumb to beat the security protocols of Necron systems in the Shield of Baal.

>>49180486
>>49180495
That's a shame cause I love the Wraith models and wanted to run at least a squad of 3 to mop up remnants from my 2 parked Doomsday Arks.

>>49180438
>be called Thousand sons
>have 10 times more marines
Sneaky wizards

>>49180503
It's out of my hand now.

>>49180481
>‘I wanted to know something before you died, Ruven. What did you gain from that first betrayal? Why did you turn from the Eighth Legion and wear the colours of Horus’s Sons?’

>‘We are all Horus’s sons. We all carry his legacy with us.’ Ruven couldn’t help the edge of passion creeping into his tone. ‘Abaddon is the Bane of the Imperium, brother. His is the name whispered by a trillion frightened souls. Have you heard the legends? The Imperium even believes him to be Horus’s cloned son. And he bears that legend for a reason. The Imperium will fall. Perhaps not this century, and perhaps not the next. But it will fall, and Abaddon will be there, boot on the throat of the Emperor’s bloodless corpse. Abaddon will be there the night the Astronomican dies and the Imperium – at last – falls dark.’

>‘You still believe we can win this war?’ Talos hesitated, for this was something he’d simply never expected. ‘If Horus failed, what chance does his son have?’

>‘Every chance, for no matter what you or I might say, it’s a destiny written in the stars themselves. How much larger are the forces in the Eye now, than those that first fled after the failed Siege of Terra? How many billions of men, how many countless thousands of ships, have rallied to the Warmaster’s banner in ten millennia? Abaddon’s might eclipses anything Horus ever commanded. You know that as well as I. If we could refrain from butchering one another for long enough, we’d already be pissing on the Imperium’s bones.’

-Night Lords Omnibus

>>49180514
A single squad won't ruin anyone's day.

>>49180448
Neat. Any advice then? I can already tell the lack of transports will hurt.

What factions do Kill team well and which suck at it?

>play Killteam against spess muhreens
>bring tyranid warriors and a bunch of 18 gaunts
>tabled turn 3 because relentless heavy bolter murdered one of my warriors each and every turn, and a third of the gaunts died each turn
Same old, same old

>>49180542
I'm glad to hear that, I don't want to shit on anyone's parade with my chosen dudes.

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>>49180438
Who needs marines, when you have daemons?

And Fabius has gone to work all these years.

>>49180438

Except he didn't. Those numbers represent the legions at full strength. About 1/3 of the traitor legions were culled for being potential loyalists plus even more men wasted on pointless seiging and keikaku plans.

>>49176042
Literally came to ask for Tyranid advice on Kill Team, because I've always loved them but never enough to do a full army.

So far I was thinking:

Warrior Brood (2x Deathspitter, 1x Lash/Bone) - 120

Hormagaunt Brood (13) - 65

Spore Mine Cluster - 15

Probably going to be absolutely minced though.

>>49180556
>Learn to love the crab tank
>Vanguard + Sicarian infiltrator charges are fun
>REMEMBER TO USE YOUR DOCTRINES
Seriously, i've forgotten to use them so often. I still win most of the time though.
>It's nice to have a few ballistari at the back line with lascannons or auto cannons
>Omnispecs thingy on rangers is nice
>Utilize LoS blocking terrain

the first couple of tips from my play time. Do take it with a pinch of salt since i dont play competitively (because honestly, what twat wants to voluntarily participate in that fuckfest)

>>49180481
Also found another one from the Eldar dex. Seems like the 13th Black Crusade is the largest Chaotic invasion the galaxy/real space ever seen

>999.M41 CHAOS ASCENDANT

>Abaddon the Despoiler launches the greatest invasion of realspace ever seen. Ulthwé has waited long for this moment, and leads the craftworlds to war. The Eldar cause horrific damage to the Chaos Space Marine Legions on dozens of worlds, suffering untenable casualties in their turn as the minions of the Great Enemy fight back. The death toll rises ever higher, with no end in sight.

>>49180621
Still way more than whatever ravaged remnants fleeing to the eye of terror with a couple of scrub-tier renegade chapters.
And it's not like Abby doesn't have his own share of pointless wastes of troops and keikaku nonsense.

>>49180693
>Still way more than whatever ravaged remnants fleeing to the eye of terror with a couple of scrub-tier renegade chapters.
nice headcanon, too bad all of the fluff, even old fluff, disagrees with you.

>>49180693
>it's not like Abby doesn't have his own share of pointless wastes of troops and keikaku nonsense.

Actually, he doesn't. Each invasion and each war has paid back gains that made the Black Legion grow larger and stronger.

>>49180718
It's implied that none of his crusades failed, the objectives he needed to achieve were achieved.

>>49180660
Are infiltrators actually worth the points cost? I wrote them off since 185 points in a 1000pt army is a big deal.

From recollection: 2 5-man Ranger squads with 2 arc rifles each, 2 10-man Vanguards with 3 arc rifles each (I like arc rifles.), 3 Sydonians, 2 Ballistarius, 3 Dunecrawlers, the last three all bare. Might have had something else in there. Warlord in one of the Vanguard squads.

Omnispexes, I'll consider, but I'm still waiting for my next box to come in, and I've already made the Omnispex base model up as a ranger with a rifle.

Can someone explain the kill team list making to me please?

Do I have to buy the min squad or so I just buy the single model for it's add on to the base squad cost?

Actually, speaking of Abbadon, does anybody actually like him?
I mean, I play CSM and I consider him boring as sin and highly uninteresting when compared to all the colorful nutcases in the traitor lineup.
I mean, I get it, he's the 40k version of Archaon and needs to be hyped up as the ultimate bad guy, but unlike Archaon (who was already pretty bland outside a few novels), there seems to be nothing compelling at all about Abbadon.

>>49180808
Read the fucking pdf. It's not that hard.

>>49180821
I can't find the pdf you goddamn kike.

>>49180744
They're squishy, agreed. At a first glance they seem mediocre for their cost.
But with doctrines + TaserGoads/Flechette + their various special rules makes them scary on the charge.
>Infiltrate gets them where they need to be.
>Dunestrider makes them bretty fast
>Actual FnP helps even though they're still t3
>stealth helps them surviving jumping from cover to cover
>The Taser/Flechette combo is superior against pretty much all targets.
>Neurostatic aura is just great
They are very much a skill=reward unit.

>>49180808
How do you even remember to breathe? Shouldn't you have accidentally drowned yourself staring into rain years ago?

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Hey guys,

Playing 40k with a bunch of my friends tomorrow. One of them hasn't played since like 3rd edition and the others will all be new so I threw together a one page cheat sheet to go with Arbitons reference sheet. Tell me what you think and if there are any changes that need to be made. Thanks in advance.

>>49180856
>Never played before
>People discussing kill team locally
>Join the general to ask for tips
>Get autisms screeching at you when you ask a question

And you wonder why people play Warmachine instead.

>>49180744
Infiltrators are nice to have if you can spare the points. Don't splurge too much on them they are good enough as MSU, maybe with a 4++ on the princeps.
Never ever take them with stub-carbines and powerswords, those are a trap.
Between Scout, Infiltrate and Dunestrider these guys can be where you want them to be in a hurry, spreading their debuff und harassing units. Either have them make a nuisance of themselves by hunting backline support and the like or send them into the thick of it and force the enemy to deal with them right now to get rid of the debuff bubble in the middle of his army. Either way your opponent will need to devote troops to handling them, which will leave the rest of your forces with less enemy attention.

>>49180874
The rules have already been posted in this very thread, tardlord.

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>>49180671

This spells the end for Ulthwe, as they throw themselves on the pyre weeping "We Wuz Kangz!" while minions from the Warp are literally endless.

>>49180960
In epub form.

>>49176042
Crusader Squad
Sword Brother with Power Sword, hoping for the seize the initiate warlord trait or Been There, Seen it, Done it to get killer instinct.
Initiate with plasmagun - Weapon Specialist (Ignores Cover)
Initiate with multimelta - Indomitable Specialist (Relentless)
Two bolt pistol & chainsword initiates

Tactical Squad
Sergeant with stormbolter because this is the only place it might do okay, not even great, and I want to finally use the sword brother model I built with one.
The Imperial Space Marine - Guerrilla Specialist (Preferred Enemy)
Three tactical marines.

>>49181040
>imperial space marine
>in kill team
suck a horse dong, faggot

>>49180438
>Thousand Sons - 10,000.
False, the thousand sons book mentions that only a thousand survived and were transported to the planet of warlocks and many of those thousand became rubicae after Ahriman's fail attempt to stop the flesh changes

>>49180810
He is more interesting in the early Horus heresy novels. In 40k he is just a Saturday morning cartoon villain. I'll get you next! Mwhuhhahuh

>>49180810
>there seems to be nothing compelling at all about Abbadon.

Have you read the novel "Talon of Horus"?

>>49181069
You got it wrong.

Necrons are cartoony villains. Abaddon is the dark savior of mankind. Basically, the anti-hero of 40K.

>>49178075
A termi weapon specialist equipped with an assault cannon with the ability that lets you fire at multiple targets would have been fun really

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>>49176042
Really tempted to do these:
>Sicarian Infiltrators
- Infiltrator Princeps (leader; conversion field, flechette blaster & taser goad)
- Infiltrator (guerilla specialist: preferred enemy; flechette blaster & taser goad)
- Infiltrator (weapon specialist: machine saboteur; flechette blaster & taser goad)
- Infiltrator (dirty fighter specialist: exploit weakness; flechette blaster & taser goad)
- Infiltrator (flechette blaster & taser goad)

>>49181040
>The Imperial Space Marine

>>49181055
Thats what I'm saving for tau crisis suits and eldar wraith lists I'm going to see anyway :^). I'm probably just going to take some sternguard in a razorback otherwise.

>>49181108
Mankind ill needs a savior such as armless.

>>49181165
The Emperor failed, Abaddon is the best they got.

>>49180858
Don't jet packs move 6" in the movement phase?

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>>49180021
>CSM
>Unplayable
>Implying they're in a worst situation than dark eldars, Tyranids or Orkz
>Implying they don't have any support >ignoring FW, daemons, daemonkind
And dataslates.
>Mfw
As a DE player I don't have any pity or compassion for the likes of you.

>>49176042
I was already making a HoR team right before the new rules were announced so I have a bunch of Skitarii Vanguard and a couple of Sicarian Infiltrators ready to go. Its a shame I cant use my Dominus in official KT though

>>49181185

Yep you're right, good eye!

>>49176463

There aren't really any elves like them. I fucking hate elves in every setting except 40k. There are so many interconnected aspects (pun intended) to them that you can't really say there's nothing beyond Slaanesh.

>>49180858
WS chart is wrong.

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>>49175878

>I see you're Pretty Good
>I'm Pretty Good myself

>>49181190
Dark Elda, come on! They can convert up some Eldar jetbikes and wraith whatever with spikes and bam they are OP. CSM can't really model demons as chaos space marines.


Orks are fucked I agree though. They got their mek guns tho

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Is there a way to make the Chaos Space Marine squad not suck? I feel they get expensive wat to quickly for them to be an effective unit.

>>49181190
>DE
>Implying they're in a worst situation than CSM, Tyranids or Orkz
>Implying they don't have any support
>ignoring FW, CW Eldar, Corsairs
>And dataslates.
>Mfw
As a Ork player I don't have any pity or compassion for anyone but Tyranids.

>>49181112
>the ability that lets you fire at multiple targets would have been fun really
Holy shit.

I am making a crisis suit with dual burst cannon. Charge him straight into the middle of the enemy team, and then 360 noscope 8 models around him.

And then die because I didn't kill anything, but fuck it, I need to make this happen.

>>49181245

Fuck, thanks man. I forgot you need more than double to be 5+.

>>49181264

>Dark Eldar totally have the same modus operandi as CWE, just use their codex!
>If only spikey marines had a top tier equivalent...

Nigga, are you for realzies?

So, I wanna get back into 40k using Black Templars. Nothing competitive (maybe later down the road) just wanna play some games with another friend who's getting back into it (he's fielding CSM). What would you guys recommend?

I was thinking something like:
HQ (Chaplain probably)
2x Crusader Squads (40)
Land Raider Crusader
2x Vindicators

Also, I've got a couple land speeders still in shrink wrap from way back when. Not sure if I'll use 'em.

>>49181190
Ignoring your retarded hypocrisy in telling CSM players to just ally in a superior codex when Dark Eldar are butt buddies with CWE, Dark Eldar are better than Chaos Space Marines.

Why didn't they just make knights and astra Miltarum codexes able to ally battle brother with chaos and imperial? Why make unique chaos rules? Seems pointless

>>49181301
Give them Stubborn. Keep Mark prices roughly the same but improve them. MoN goes to FnP and +1 T, Mark of Khorne goes to +1 A and Furious Charge, Mark of Slaanesh goes to +1 I and Fleet, and Mark of Tzeentch does something more than +1 Invuln (and goes back to 5++ base). Add cost-effective cult equipment. Noise weapons, Khorne chain weapons (probably doing the 30k +1 S thing or giving them Shred or Rending), Plague munitions, magical shit for Tzeentch. Icons that aren't ass and work as Deep Strike homers.

Getting them into position will still be an issue. Drop Pods would be an easy solution, but Rhinos are pretty much fucked as transports for elite units. They could use a new middle ground assault transport.

>>49181366
Well good because you can't do competitive with Black Templars, prepare for the CSM guy to still moan every time you win with crusader squads in Land Raiders though because 'Codex SM' OP.

Also if you aren't running named characters your go-to HQ should probably be the Emperor's Champion and those Land Speeders would make decent tank poppers, which is something you can't do very well with the rest of your list.

any link to the new withe dwarf pdf?

>>49181366
If you're just going to be playing non competitive for now I'd suggest not asking here and just taking what you want to start with. You'll only get shit for picking Black Templars or competitive advice.

>>49181432
Black Templars are still better than Codex: Tactical Marines without ATSKNF or Chapter Tactics. Stay mad.

>>49181445
See what I mean.

>>49181026
And .pdf at some stage over the last two or three threads, but what's wrong with .epub? Just dl a reader dingdong.

>>49181366
This >>49181444
You'll get nothing but min-maxy nitpicks here, just take what you like. Especially against CSM, both of you are running what are considered subpar/overcosted in the current ruleset/meta, so you should be able to just have fun without one of you really being too OP over the other.

War of Sigmar says:
>Blood angel supplement is on the way : Angel Blade
>This was expected are they are the main "good guys" against Kharn

>this is from grot ordrely:

>So this week we will hear about the new Supplement for Blood Angels, called Angel's Blade. It will involve Chaos Space Marines invasion on some planet (of course). 9 new formations, 2 new detachments as well as Death Company relics and tactical objectives, wargear upgrades and 3 new missions to top it all of.
>New Blood Angel Termie Captain DC Chaplain and updates to Assault and Devastator squads.

>Angels' Blade (supplement) - 30GBP / 39EUR
>BA Death Company Strike Force - 80GBP / 105EUR
>BA Archangels Orbital Intervention Force - 80GBP / 100EUR
>BA Chapter Ancients - 65GBP / 80EUR
>We will also get new boxes for Blood Angels Vanguard, Assault, Sternguard and Company Command.
I thought the Blood Angels' thing at this point in the timeline was making sure their homeworld doesn't get eaten by nids, but apparently they've got spare troops to send against chaos.

>>49181430

I actually meant using the current codex

>>49181576
epub isn't displaying text for me in 2 different epub readers.

Any chance you have the PDF?

>>49181656
Put a min squad in a rhino with special+matching combi, it's not the most competitive unit but it does the job.

>>49181613
Maybe it's set a few centuries ago.

Devilpede Siege Crawler- 125 Points

WS BS S FA SA RA I A HP Unit Type
4 3 6 13 12 11 4 4 3 Vehicle (Walker, Transport)

>Wargear
Two Havoc Launchers

>Special Rules
Siege Crawler (Adds 3" to all movements. The first time this vehicle suffers an Immobilized result, it instead loses a hull point and this special rule.- Maulerfiends, and Defilers both get the same ability.)

Daemonic Possession (Gains the Daemon rule, reduces its Ballistic Skill to 3, and Snap Fires its weapons at full Ballistic Skill.)

Assault Vehicle

>Transport Capacity
Twelve models- May not transport Terminators)

>Options
The XXXXX Siege Crawler may replace both of its Havoc Launchers with one of the following options-
-Gunnery Deck (Adds a firing port for four models on the top of the model. Models firing off the Deck have Relentless as long as the Crawler does not run.).........Free
-A single Ectoplasm Cannon............+10 Points
-Pair of Reaper Autocannons (R: 36" S:7 AP:4 Assault 3, Twin-Linked)........+25 Points


May be taken as a Dedicated Transport for Chaos Space Marines, Chaos Chosen, all Cult Marines, and Chaos Havocs. May also be taken as a Fast Attack choice.

>>49181656
Ah, then no. You can't. Just run Codex: Space Marines if you want to be able to run MEQ's that aren't ass.

>Can't include terminators in your Kill team
Why live?

is there an optimal loadout for the tau crisis suits?

>>49181741
>stupid enough to use GW's half-assed pathetic excuse for a release instead of just using the free and superior HoR fan release
Why live?

>>49175776
Why does the OP image read "of far future" as opposed to "of THE far future"?

How would this do in Kill team

10 Guardians + Warlock leader
Heavy weapons platform scatter laser
2 Striking scorpions

>>49176042
5 Flamers of Tzeentch
3 Screamers of Tzeentch

>>49181775
You new or something? It has always been like this.

>>49181307
>As a Ork player I don't have any pity or compassion for anyone but Tyranids.

As an Ork player my compassion and pity for Tyranid players is somewhat limited thanks to the guys who start pulling six Flyrants out of their cases.

>>49181362
Are Demons, CSM and SM all Battle Brothers?

>>49181825
Same can be said fror multiple klawstompas and a Buzzgob.

>>49181818
That doesn't answer the why.

Only adds another.

>>49181742
Varies with the job

>>49181847
Memes.

It was an error from the start, and despite hundreds of revisions, it stuck around. At some point, it just became part of the (admittedly derpy) charm.

>>49181893
Only reason i didnt kill it was because i lacked the knight template

I had thought kill team would be more casual...

>show up with my usual marines for kill team.
>someone asks if I want to do kill team
>no idea what to do, so I just take 14 vanilla tactical, no upgrades, to fit inside the limit of 200 points
>he fields 3 walkers and some chaos marines with t5
>I tabled him turn 2 because he had like 5 models on the table
>cue massive whining about powergaming

I play Raptors, and have for like 3 years, but come on man, is there really a point to going full sperg because of this mode? Just play something normal instead of going full cheese, and if you have to do it anyway, at least be a good sport about it when you lose.

He didn't have fun, and I didn't have fun, so what's the point? Why do people do this? Or is it some sort of "I can't have fun unless I win" mentality?

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>>49181741
This pisses me off so much.

It's not like terminators are known for being part of kill teams or anything.

>>49181437
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/White-Dwarf-September-2016

Is it just me or are the Black Library scans in the OP fucked up?

A lot of them lack any quotation marks and apostrophes.

The Ciaphas Cain novels especially, with random size changes in the font, blank pages, etc.

>>49181830

That has no bearing on anything. If you're swapping out codices it doesn't matter what BB status is. SM has more overlap with CSM than CWE with Deldar.

>>49181994
USE.READIUM.

Or stop using the epub format.

>>49181729
This a fanmade thing you've done, or a rumour from somewhere?

>>49181613
Have you read the Storm of Damocles novel? It features a Fourth Company White Scar compant making its way home to defend the White Scar homeworld from Huron's massive Chais invasion that's happening in 999 41K.

The company was tricked by the Deathwatch to make a storm and raid a Stormsurge training facility.

What this means that just became it's said that companies are being called back home, it doesn't mean that all of them will make it in time. They are far off and they might get distracted.

>>49182005
It's not intended as straight swapping, the idea with the DE thing is you can easily take a core of DE, add CWE allies, and it only takes a handful of plasticard spikes to make them blend in.

Jetbikes are jetbikes, t3 space ninjas are t3 space ninjas.

Can I ally a kill team with my normal army? I mean it is a list.

>>49182059
No more than you can ally in a warmachine list.

>>49181963
Exactly, and it's not as if you can't crack a couple of termies.

>>49182028
Its a CSM assault vehicle and a walker, so fanwank.

>>49182106
Yeah, probably, I suppose. It was the fact it's a transport that comes with daemonic possession by default that confused me, making a new transport that eats the unit it carries is easily within the bounds of GW's chucklefuckery.

I'll be hunting down some Tau with my CSM next month. Guy will be bringing mostly old school stuff, no mecha. I'm mostly scared of pathfinders and crisis suits. So what should my havocs use, missle launchers or autocannons?

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>tfw Mob Rule is ignored in kill team

Now what do I field?

>>49182194
Mob rule wouldn't do anything anyway.

>>49182194

Honestly trying to figure out if it's a buff or a nerf. At the very least it would give a model a 1 in 6 chance of not running when losing close combat.

>>49182151
Missile launchers. Krak can take care of any hard targets and frag is blast and will ignore pathfinder armour save.

>>49182245
Mobe rule states 'if they fail a leadership test'.

It's a post-fail. Not an instead-of-Ld.

>>49176273

If You're mostly interested in the eldar war machines, try craftworld yme-loc, I've always loved the colour scheme and EVERYONE picks either saim hann or ulthwe

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>>49176042
Dominion squad 4 Storm bolters and a plasma pistol.

Battle Sister Squad with power sword heavy bolter and Storm bolter.

The storms durp about shooting stuff and the heavy sits at range sniping.

Also they are being painted like this for some reason. I probably shouldn't as it looks nothing like the rest of my army.

>>49182194
>Break and run from absolutely anything eith no safety net.

Fearless units, so put everything in trukks or warkoptas.

>>49182266

I fucking wish it said when failing a leadership test. Then it might actually be fucking useful. I lost an entire 30 man Boyz mob on the weekend when they were tank-shocked, failed their Leadership test, then subsequently were charged and failed their test again, and were wiped out automatically.

>>49182221
Yeah. That's the point I'm making. Mob Rule doesn't do anything in kill team.
>>49182245
Definite buff. My orks won't attack each other anymore. Also:
>orks
>close combat
...are you fucking insane?

So ordnance weapons- if an egde of the template scratches my rhino its full strength and two dices for armor penetration, right?

>>49182315

Yeah, well, I keep living in hope that my Orks will one day be decent in close combat.

In the meantime I never leave home without my Ork Barricade Aegis Line.

>>49182302
It's kill team dude. Can't take a leadership test if you're already dead.

>>49182322
Yep

>>49182351

So one is fucked if an enemy brings template weapons?
Im thinking of getting a hell drake to attack ordnance shit from the flank but I think the model is rather silly. My friend fields renegades and fields these ST 6 mortar batteries, not sure how to counter it when ordnance is that effective.

>>49182322
I thought 2d6 for penetration was for melta only?

>>49182322
2d6 pick highest. Melta is 2d6 add together.

>>49182418
>>49182322
Ordanance is 2d6 pick highest.
Melta is 2d6 additive at half range
Armourbane is 2d6 additive at any range

>>49182411
A defiler has equal ordinance power to a Leman Russ.
Just use that.

>>49182418
And Armorbane.
All ordinance is roll two and pick the highest.

>>49182028
Just brainstorming on what a mid-size assault transport for CSM could look like, as well as some fixes for shitty units/rules/upgrades.
>>49182149
The DPossession there doesn't eat people, and FW's Dreadclaw is a transport that comes with DPossession. It's especially fun and thematic when it eats the Helbrute inside.

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>>49182026
Yeah, not even converting the files from epub can fix the fact that you have these massive blank spaces every other page.

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>>49181613

>BA getting their 4th plastic Termie Captain in as many years

>>49182521
Do you guys remember when the Tau were about grav tanks and alien auxiliaries as well as suits? I feel bad for oldTaufags who've been forced to watch their faction be turned into a shitty Gundam knock-off.

>>49181613
I thought the nids had been repelled ?

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>>49182553

Suits (and anime) sell

>>49182553
I remember when Becrons were space-terminators

>>49182553

Meh, Riptide variants and Supremacy are cool enough. I only really begrudge the Stormsurge existing.

Well, and Kroot having shit rules, but then again they're T3 infantry in the escalation to giant models edition.

>>49182669
I miss my ork kroot that were allied to my chaos marines. T4, rapid fire weapons and +1 attack in close combat. 4 melta gun shaper council HQ didn't hurt as well.

>>49182553
It's not even the cool kind of Gundams that fly around with a giant laser sword, they just sit at the back of the board shooting.

>>49182706

Yeah, Kroot already have four kits, plus I think about three discontinued FW kits that could prolly be redone in plastic with less work than designing from scratch. That's enough that they could give them a mini-codex if they could be assed doing so, maybe fold in Vespid/some second Vespid kit for variety?

>>49182725
>Swords
Shit taste detected.

Guns for range and pile drivers for CQC.

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Fuck Chaos... BA are getting an update?

>>49182736
A starter set style 2w shitty character at best.

>>49182521
>>49182590
I wouldn't mind them so much if they didn't have designs that would make an ork mek blush.

Like, weapons are just tacked on haphazardly.

A fucking missile pod with attached missile pod and attached missile pod that has attached laser cannon with attached markerlight(or something)

>>49182731
Hey /tg/

Two questions;

Is CSM players still arguing against fluffy+crunchy+FUN KDK / NurgeDK / TzeentchDK and Daemon/Renagade allies because they want to field squads of boring vanilla bolter CSM with the addition of ultramarine drop pods and rhinos ?

Second question; Anyone tried the new Kill Team rules yet ? I've played the fanmade version a year back. Does the new killteam rules have SQUADS or is every model individual? Cheers.

>>49182747
I don't care, I just nee more shit to paint.

>>49182521
It seems like a weapon like that would just be enough to be classed as strength D, along side the shadowsword.
These days strength D is doled out like free mints to whoever is currently getting an update, they're going to have to work harder just to make a big gun impressive.

I'm guessing this thing is going to be 400-500 points, single shot, strength D apoc blast?

>>49182775
You kits for every unit. What fucking more do you want?

Droppier and poddier drop pods?

>>49182773

That's kind of a ridiculous exaggeration dude. They just want to be able to take a core of power armoured troops and specialists without them being a tax. To be able to build the typical lists a legion themed warband might field without fielding something fuck awful.

>>49182782
Single shot D blast is really shitty.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tau is getting a "Hurricane" style'd D or Rapid Fire D.

No faction in the game would willingly pay for a singleshot blast at the cost of 500+.

The shadowsword for example is useless against things, including superheavies. It's only good for wasting blobs of vehicles with lucky scattering or footslogging TEQ.

>>49182803
Not even if they could make it apoc with ignores cover?

>>49182782

It's really hard to say what this will be.

The default gun for this mech is SD 7 inch blast for 600 points, and the swap out guns are for free so far.

This is more of a single shot weapon though, and trading a blast D for single shot D is transparently inferior, so they'll prolly do something weird with it.

>>49182788
Updated characters man. Dante, Mephiston and Corbulo are hurting.

>>49182800
Yes, but you want to do that without formations, allies or themed HQ's. Also without knights, also without "death stars".

You basically want your 3+ bolter guys to be the stars of the show

Everytime you nuts speak up you always end up crying about Drop Pods.

Forgive me if I'm wrong about you, but I've had CSM players get red in the face with rage across me on the table when talking about CSM drop pods.

>>49182731
that would require effort and interest which GW lacks for kroot and most of their models not meqs or battlesuits

>>49182773
it's kinda funny that the anti psyker god has to use psykers and sorcery these days

>>49182832
In other words. You want to run CSM with only rhinos and boring vanilla bolter guys.

Gotta love that spiky armor.


When did CSM players start hating their gods ?

I swear if there was a "Nurgle Daemon Kin" armybook coming out you would bitch too.

"WHY DO I HAVE TO FIELD UGLY MODELS :
("

"I JUST WANT TO USE MY COOL VANILLA CS: MARINES WITH SPIKY SHOULDERS :("

"WHY IS FOOTSLOGGING BOLTERS NOT VIABLE IN 7TH :("

"WHY DO I HAVE TO TAKE PLAGUE MARINES,I JUST WANT TO PLAY ATHEIST CSM :("

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>>49182861
Nice straw man brah