EDH/Commander General

EDH fags are disgusting slobs and should extinct themselves immediately

>>49165241
Muh decks:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-08-16-trostani-tokens/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-08-16-salty-sultai/


Give advice if you feel like it. I need some reccomendations on cards that are generally good in commander and can fit multiple decks.

>>49165294
You're not wrong, friendo.

man what were they thinking with leovold

>low-cost commander that can lock out the entire table by turn 4

boy what could go wrong

didn't they learn anything from derevi?

>>49165314
Druids' Repository is a downright underrated card in token decks in my opinion. I've dumped my hand after one good swing many times with it.

hey guys i need some help

i noticed that my xenagos deck was having trouble hard casting creatures, so i put in stuff like garruk, caller of beasts and elvish piper. but then i noticed that as soon as i play those cards, everyone on the board instantly shoots all their spot removal at my shit and then they'll be gone by the time my next turn begins

should i keep them in as removal-bait? or ditch them? i really don't want to cut them out since i did pay like 10 bucks for them.

i can usually get one use off of them (xenagos haste on piper) but i'm still not sure if it's optimal

>>49165465
How's the artifact removal in your meta? You could probably use Quicksilver Amulet in place of Garruk if your opponents don't go for your artifacts often

>>49165489
it's pretty prevalent. also, the bigger problem is that all of my timmy stuff is 6-7 cmc, so idk if cheating fatties is worth it when i could just put in more ramp

>>49165515
Yeah, you're probably right.

Got a list you could post?

>>49165530
sure

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/angry-xenagos-ooga-booga/

it's not fully optimal because i picked cards based on how fun i thought they would be rather than how good people say they are, so i don't have birthing pod or tooth and nail, etc.

>>49165515
I have a Mayael deck, and after 2-3 multiplayer games I noticed Mayael drew a LOT of hate on the table turns 4-5 if I couldn't ramp fast enough to tap her by then.

So I added more ramp, as the deck is the same as yours, nothing but fatties over 6-7 CMC and manadorks.

Add in shit like sylvan scrying, nissa's pilgramage, explosive vegetation, etc. All the green mana ramp you can. Burnished Hart goes a long way as well, a good early blocker and ramp as well.

>>49165634
You've got decent ramp it looks like, if you want more I'd say throw in Burnished Hart, Farhaven Elf, Kodama's Reach, Nature's Lore, stuff like that. Maybe Exploration or Burgeoning if you're feeling adventurous.

>>49165745
yeah i currently have those cards in my "sideboard" since i felt like i had too much ramp. but i guess i do need a shitload of ramp since my best chance of winning is getting a godlike ramp and taking out a player or three within turn 5. xenagos really doesn't seem to do much when his opponents have equal mana

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Post them

Is it an asshole move to win with bloodmoon in edh?

Here's my new marchesa deck I just brewed. Any suggestions? Is it shit? What should I change? Some spicy tech I should be aware of?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-09-16-marchesa-edh/

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>>49165959

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Why is this banned? It doesn't seem bonkers busted. Strong, sure, but not crazy

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Gotta get that dwarf tribal ready

>>49166153

Only in rare situations

If all your friends only have 1 deck and that deck happens to be a super casual 5-color deck, THEN using blood moon to win is a dick move

Any other situation is fine

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>>49165959
OK

>>49166503
Into the Odric2 you go

RIP turn 1 Sol ring

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>>49166568
>>49166568
fucking forgot image

>>49166568
Why, because of Ceremonious Rejection?

>>49166500

Ehh, it's one of those, "have graveyard hate or you lose" cards

Could be unbanned, could stay banned, both would be fine

It's a nnoying that you can't destroy it if they have a creature to sac, so it takes multiple pieces of disruption to stop this one card with huge upside

>>49166500
The banlist of EDH is completely fucking arbitrary. Decided by what one guy and his playgroup deem "fun" or not. If you have a regular playgroup, just ask them if it's okay for you to put it in your deck. Chances are they'll let you.

>>49165959
>>49166537
Why can't you guys crop your fucking images

>>49166603
>he can't appreciate framing

>>49165424
Yeah it is. I love it for some quick on attack mana. Makes combat tricks a lot easier.

>>49165424
>look it up
Holy shit.

>>49166585
>>49166568
Misstep does much the same thing, for free

Rejection hits ANY colorless spell though which is very nice

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-05-16-karador/
r8 n h8 boys

Why is Karador tier 1 in competitive multiplayer?

>>49166733
Boonweaver combo

>>49166763
Can you explain? I must be missing something.

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>>49165370
>Can only draw one card per turn
>Get extra value from Mine effects
>OH GOD I'M LOCKED OUT BANNED LIST WHEN?

He's a decent stax/control commander, but nothing he does on his own is busted. Dry off.

>>49165370
He really isn't that bad.

>>49166585
Wizards deciding Eldrazi need to go.

>Play Doran

>Play a shit ton of defenders

Pass levels: you shall not

>>49166936
>comes out on turn 2 or 3
>play 1 wheel effect
>everyone now stuck on topdeck mode
>get one (1) looter or forced discard effect
>everyone now has no cards

fun xd

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>>49166936
That's not why people are complaining, you dullard.

>>49166936
>t1 shockland, solring
>t2 checkland, exile elven spirit guide play leovold make him hexproof with boots
>t3 land, windfall timetwister days undoing, or fucking dark deal. slam a goyf
GG ez

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>first deck I ever made was Athens
>Queen Marchesa comes out and and can do virtually the same thing with better abilities and an added color

Fug, I don't want to take the deck apart but it's probably a better decision.

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>>49167186
Athreos*

Thanks phone

>>49165634
You've got some good stuff in there, but you need more ramp and you seem to have forgotten your Asceticism that goes in every single creature based deck with Green in it.

Some suggestions
-Asceticism
-Primordial Hydra
-Asceticism
-Savageborn Hydra
-Asceticism
-Search for Tomorrow
-Asceticism
-Kodama's Reach
-Asceticism
-Archetype of Endurance
-Asceticism
-Tempt with Discovery (And a Nykthos to go with it)
-Asceticism
-Boundless Realms
-Asceticism

I've never been a fan of Piper effects, though. I much prefer ramp.

Not having any duplicate basics in your mono color deck looks so much nicer. It's not hard to do at all, but I'm still glad I spent that extra bit of effort.

>>49166595
Aww, did someone have a deck with Disciple of Kruphix? Hurtums fee-fees?

>>49167353
>Not having any duplicate basics in your mono color deck looks so much nicer.

It does, but don't forget that there's strategy to having all of the same basic lands in your deck.

>>49166786
Boonweaver Giant with any of the following:

Shades Form
Gift of Immortality
Unhallowed Pact

Infinite with any sac outlet, preferably Blasting Station.

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Is it just me or are the untap creatures of Lorwyn-Shadowmoor made for janky Depala decks?

>>49167472
I don't see any synergy here

>>49167502
>man a vehicle
>untap
>can fight while driving the vehicle
apparently all the lorwyn hijinks made everyone really good drivers

Not even just the brokenness with wheel effects

Just putting a lightning greaves on him and keeping some counterspells up can make it impossible for your opponents

>hurrr mono white is totally unplayable cuz no card draw
>leovold is totally balanced though, git gud

what are some fun cards to put into Maelstrom Wanderer?

>>49167293
i don't really like the idea of running asceticism because it's an enchantment and i can't tutor for it. i'll be running archetype of endurance instead, which comes with a body, protects itself with hexproof and is tutorable.

one thing i do want to add at some point is more creature tutors (only 4 proper tutors at the moment, a few more pseudo-tutors), but i'm kinda strapped for cash right now so that'll have to wait.

those other things would probably be good too but i don't really feel like i need beaters. i have to struggle for control every time i get a good start so i really need almost all of my creatures for utility reasons. tutoring for creatures is what generally keeps me in the game. bane or progress deals with enchantment/artifact spam, balefire dragon kills token spam, duplicant kills fatties, godo deals with health issues, malignus combos with various things and 1-shots players with no blockers, etc.

even seemingly janky shit like living inferno is extremely clutch in xenagos. you can clear a board full of annoying utility creatures with it, and after you use it once you also have a 16/13 beater and recurrable pseudo-wipe. i'm guessing there would be a better creature to serve its role but i still like it a lot

>>49167528

What does that have to do with Depala at all?

>>49167528
Or rather:
>man a vehicle
>untap
>man another vehicle
>untap
>man another vehicle
>untap

And next turn, all of your token buddies can man vehicles too!

how come all the vehicles suck ass so far

>>49167666
are you retarded? one is literally lightning bolt on a stick

>>49167689
well i haven't seen it so it doesnt exist

>>49167666
It's a new mechanic. One is pretty much a continuous lightning bolt.

I suspect future expansions will have something like this. A new skeleton ship with the mechanic would be cool.

>>49167689
You mean a shitty inferno titan

Anyone have a chance to use Kaya in a game yet? How is she?

>>49167689
>>49167704
If you mean the legendary vehicle, that thing can't hit players.

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>>49165959
Going for the "One of each color combination" thing. Also just remembered that I have a Ghave deck, but I never play it because I kind of hate it. Gonna pull it apart.

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>>49167744
it looks like inferno titan except

>costs 1 mana less and only colorless
>can't target heroes
>flying
>-1 toughness
>requires that crew shenanigans

ehhh i think i'd rather take the titan instead if i could

>>49167812
oh and it's also an artifact, which is probably bad in edh at least

>>49167395
There is? Something about not giving your opponents information and stuff? What could they glean from peeping a land and knowing it's not the same as another?

>>49167861
If they look at your hand, then you draw a card, and you play a different land, they knew you drew a land. It's minimal effect, but it's there.

>>49167861
>they see your hand
>git probe or whatever
>White-bordered island and some other stuff
>you draw
>you play a black-bordered island
They now know your entire hand.

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>>49167860
There's as much artifact hate in EDH as there is creature hate.

>>49167444
And you just self-mill to hit it?

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Still looking for any suggestions to go with my version of Feldon.

Really want to build it firmly the first time around, so I know what I can and can't adjust.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/feldon-smash/

>>49167911
yeah but it's both at the same time when it attacks. i guess you could argue that sorcery-speed creature destruction can't touch it, though.

>>49167936
Steel Hellkite and Wurmcoil Engine.

More draw discard effects like Wild Guess and Tormenting Voice are probably good.

Ancient Tomb can go into almost any deck if you have the budget.

Putting Fortune Thief into play in response to lethal damage could be S P I C Y

>>49166639
I think my favorite uses for it are powering the fuck out of Ezuri and Jazal.

>>49165294
Barneyfags die

>>49167936
Man I really don't like your creatures. I know they are just quick beaters that are hopefully going to trample or have their damage doubled, but I think you could lose a few of the redundant ones and add in some higher curve etbers to better abuse feldon.

>>49167936
i haven't played sheldon but i'm just going to recommend some cuts / adds based on having played those cards before

cut
>hellkite charger (really slow and expensive, doesn't do anything ETB, generally dead if you don't already have a good board state, there are better beaters)
>damage doubler enchantments (very winmore, you probably won't win by combat damage, expensive, dead cards if you're losing)
>haste enablers (not sure why you'd need these. you will probably have sheldon out before these guys. but if you think you need them, keep them)
>trample enablers (do you think you will ever have to get through blockers? wouldn't you rather want to kill the blockers instead? i think archetype of aggression is pretty shitty but idk)

add (maybe, not sure)
>more looter effects
>more creatures that control stuff on etb
>more defensive stuff

sorry for vague descriptions, i'm doing something at this moment but i'll have suggestions later

>>49166503
Limited all star.

>>49168049
Oh yeah. Jazal is great when you have the mana. Coat of arms on a stick is hard to beat.

>>49168107
>sheldon
DO NOT BESMIRCH FELDON'S GOOD NAME

>>49167098
>using Goyf in a casual format

Anon, please. You're better than that.

>>49168185
sheldon "artifact" pooper

>>49167635
rtfc?

>>49167936
Thornbite Staff and Hoarding Dragon would probably be good friends with Feldon

>>49168185
BAZENDIKAR

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>>49168216
I'm literally not. I played a blood moon turn 3 against a 5 colored planeswalker deck.

>>49168272
Brutal

>>49168272
Naisu

>>49168272
Oh the humanity!

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>>49168272

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>>49168272

>>49168089
>>49168107

The thing is, I WANT to win with combat damage. Imy trying to make a different version of Feldon that doesn't rely on the ETB effects to win.

The idea is to play things like Ball Lightning, smash face for double damage, then mill self with Altar and make more fodder with damage. I want all double damage outlets I can get.

Flingers are also welcome.

>>49168398
Then you need to add artifacts and creatures with dying effects. As mentioned above, wurmcoil engine would be a gooder one.

I enjoy thopter assembly alot too personally.

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No judge thread up and this is relevant to my EDH deck:

Situation:
I have Tree of Perdition and Ayli on the field.
I tap the tree to swap life totals with someone (say they start with 40 and the tree has 13).
My opponent casts murder on the tree in response to the life swap trigger.
I then sacrifice the tree to Ayli in response to the murder.

Alternatively, what happens if they cast murder then I tap the tree then sac it?

What happens?
How much life do I gain? 13 or 40?

>>49168420
In the first scenario, you would gain 13. The swap trigger is still on the stack, therefore your last sac effect would take place before the trees. In the second one you would gain 40 because you're doing it in response to their spell.

>>49168420
Shit, that's a good one. Lemme see The stack should look like this:

Ayli trigger
Murder
Tree Trigger

You gain 13, Tree dies, and since the Tree no longer has a toughness, nothing happens?

Honestly, I might be totally wrong, but that's how I'm interpreting it. If someone had a better explanation at the table, I'd roll with it.

>>49167723
yea, colorless and flying

>>49168420
You can't swap toughness or life if one of them isn't in play

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Would Sydri mix well with vehicles? It would get around crewing them, but their power and toughness would be wacky

>>49168420

If your opponent casts murder first, you can tap the tree to activate it's ability, let it resolve, then sac to the Ethereal pilgrim, with a creature that has base 40 toughness.

Murder will then attempt to resolve but be countered on account of only having illegal target(s)

>>49168505
And still worse

unless you're running some kind of untap shananigans

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Heya, looks like people are throwing out rules questions so I'm going to put up one that my Google-fu has failed with.

My commander is Nissa, Vastwood Seer. She flips and I have a Thunderfoot Baloth out. Do I still have Lieutenant or is she considered a different permanent now?

>>49168599
She's a different permanent.

>>49168539
You'd basically have creatures with two sets of P/T, don't know if there's a way to exploit that.

>>49168599
Yes, being a commander is inherent to the physical card.

>>49168613
>>49168606
Both these are correct and not mutually-exclusive.

>>49168539
Its not going to be great with what we've seen, although its looking like vehicles might be a mardu mechanic so the U ability to turn a mana rock into a creature to crew a vehicle might matter. At the very least the new fox can turn into a 3/3.

>>49168599
She's a different permanent because she exiled herself as her transformation.

But she's still your commander

>>49168599
Both, shes a planeswalker that is also your commander.

>>49168648
>>49168640
>>49168613
>>49168606
Thanks. Yeah, I worded that a bit poorly.

>>49167883
>>49167901
But why wouldn't I play the land that's already in my hand if they know it's there already?

>>49168420
first situation, you gain 13 life from saccing the tree to Ayli, no life swap happens since tree dies before its ability resolves

Second situation, life swap happens, then you sac tree to Ayli and gain 40 life, murder fizzles.

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Thoughts?

>>49168781
By not paying attention.

>>49168826
Why do you purposely try to ruin threads? You saw what happened last time.

>>49168826
I hate ETB effects, it makes me want to buy torpor orb

>>49168826
>poo in the loo
>now this is podracing
>I live! I die! I live again!
and now
>[triggering intensifies]
this is literally memes: the set

>>49168826
Bee's knees

>>49168838
Eh, I'm willing to risk that for the sake of my board looking prettier.

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>>49168398
>I WANT to win with combat damage
then you need to go bigger than ball lightning. remember that you're playing mono-red. everyone on the board will ramp faster than you, play beaters that are bigger and will generally blow your shit to oblivion. you need to be more audacious. ball lightning just doesn't cut it in that scenario

sheldon is kinda wonky for combat damage, so this deck will probably be wonky no matter what

if you insist on combat damage then you need to make some optimizations. first of all, i wouldn't try to hardcast any of your beaters. just loot them into your GY and get them out with sheldon. even though you don't want to abuse ETBs because you want to do combat damage, you can still abuse them while you beat faces. why bother getting a damage doubler and hardcasting a ball lightning and dealing 12 damage, when you can just play an artisan of kozilek from your grave and swing for 10 immediately for cheaper, AND bring another fatty to the battlefield?

i think your sheldon targets should start at 7+ CMC. beaters below 6 CMC don't hurt at all in EDH, and health is typically the resource people already have too much of in EDH. heres some random hastily researched ideas for sheldon targets:

>artisan of kozilek
>breaker of armies
>pathrazer of ulamog
>rapacious one
>scourge of the throne (additional combat phases are good for you)
>godo (same, but this guy can also tutor equipment for you)
>ignition team (really goofy but maybe you like that)

some words on consistency:

you don't have enough of the cards you need. you need to be able to rely on drawing certain stuff every game since you're playing a color with 1 tutor. so you need 8-12 of every card type. put in 8-12 looter effects, 8-12 sheldon targets, 8-12 spot removal, etc. make sure you have everything you need within turn 5.

i'm not an amazing player and you should take my advice with a grain of salt, but these were the lessons i learnt when building past decks

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Post cards that trigger people in your playgroup that aren't commanders.

won't a set all about stronk single educated women be basically heresy in dalit and dowry land

half these characters would get acid to the face

>>49167637
the tokens can already man vehicles since it's the vehicle tapping them, not them tapping themselves

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>>49168922
With good reason, honestly.

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>>49168922
I get Mindslavered every time my friend casts this and I am saltier than Lot's wife about it

>>49168984
This fucking card

>>49165370
he isnt that bad

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>>49168398
>>49168888
oops, godo doesn't untap allies. maybe don't run him then. but he does provide you with the equipment tutor, which can be really clutch (lifelink etc)

also if you plan on doing a lot of saccing, then you could run a subtheme of threaten effect + sac with all the threaten ETB creatures (molten primordial for sure). also you should probably have a skullclamp

http://edhrec.com/commanders/feldon-of-the-third-path

just look through here and add this stuff while taking out winmore stuff

>but muh damage doublers

yeah yeah we've all been there, everyone wants to run them but they're just too janky. focus on stuff that does something immediately, costs less mana and can be cast instantly.

>>49168826
I can't wait. It will either be run along side, or replace Strionic Resonator in my Hazezon deck. I can regularly flicker him a few times the turn he comes out, so a bunch of free etb doubles is pretty welcome to help me save mana and my tricks for the next time.

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>>49169042
>>49168984
>friend casts some big buddy
>cast Emmy my turn
>control him his turn
>make his baddie attack me
>baddie runs into tentacles

Feels goodman

>>49168862
As someone who loves ETB shit (I've got a Norin and a Newzuri deck) I'm fucking amazed more people DON'T run Torpor Orb. It hoses so many irritating decks, it's cheap to cast and it goes in any fucking deck.

Do it. Buy it. Cause you better fucking believe I'm getting Panharmonicon.

>>49168644
>At the very least the new fox can turn into a 3/3.
>Target non-creature artifact.

No it can't.

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>>49168922
Infinite butthurt.

To be fair, FUCK artifact shenanigans.

>>49168826
This card is gonna be expensive I bet. I don't know about modern or standard, but for commander alone this is gonna be such a powerhouse.

>>49169129
Torpor orb is just a no fun allowed card and usually doesnt help the strategies I try to employ. I guess its just the fact the card can go in almost any deck and just make it the 98 card deck that I dont like. At least panharmonicon is actually part of your strategy...

>>49169226
But fuck strategies

>>49169166
As someone who loves artifact shenanigans, I definitely get why it's necessary. Shit gets out of hand really fast.

>>49169234
>50 cards in your deck are fun and work together
>1 card is a little parasite hiding in the fur of my deck that might be a silver bullet to one deck my opponent might play
My favorite thing is making synergies happen and hoping that it wins, and even if it doesnt I got to have fun. Having a little stinker card that doesnt help me do what I'm doing isnt fun for me.

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>>49169226
>Doesn't help strategies

Was getting rolled by ETB triggers part of your plan?

>>49169331
Who said I would allow them to enter the battlefield? Besides I need my snapcaster to work.

How do I build Mayhem Grenzo? I want everything to attack everything else forever

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>>49169365
>Who said
Among other things.

>>49169420
run all the stupid chaos shit that no one would ever run expecting to win, make goblin tokens, attack everyone with goblin tokens

hopefully you will be deemed too irrelevant to attack and you will somehow win maybe

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Is there anything better than Narset tears?

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>>49169455
unsubstantiate

>>49169511
So I should just include him in the 99 of something with red?

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>>49169518
>Maelstrom Wanderer vs Narset 1 on 1 cunt battle

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>>49169560
Asceticism

>>49169518
I can never make sense of MODO images

>>49169576
i'd run him as a commander

i mean, if you're running mono red, you aen't planning on tryharding. people will look at your shitty 2 red mana creature and think "well this guy isn't planning on winning" and then you can just cause mayhem at your leisure. mayhem doesn't make anyone lose harder than anyone else (except for you, but you're monored) so you will generally be left alone i think

>>49169617
Asceticism doesn't protect your creature spell from getting bounced.

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>>49169518
>Playing Narset
>Ever

I mean, Maelstrom Wanderer isn't much better, but it's the least memey of the Tememeur so, sure.

>>49169633
Well I don't want to be a dick and run chaos. That's not fun for anyone. I just want a slugfest

>>49169617
Wew I must have been blind to let you play that on turn 2

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>>49169640
Oh shit, you're right. Alright, you got me.

>MFW I just cast it again cause my creatures are cheap and I've got mana for days

Totally fair response, though, since this is all ideal hand shitposting

>>49168471
>>49168488
>>49168521
>>49168557
>>49168804
Thanks everyone for clearing that up! I guess I'll have to be cautious about tapping it in case someone murders in response to the trigger.

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Which plainswalker is most powerful in EDH?

>>49169749
Sorin Markov

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>>49169518
>MFW they made the most autistic commander actually autistic

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>>49169785
>mfw the only narset deck ive ever played against was an autistic kid who had all his cards printed out on paper
>he straight cheated whenever he would play a spell and would just say it resolved already when another played would try to counter

>test out a feldon deck in xmage
>get feldon out on the board and swing once with a big creature
>get spot removal thrown at my commander 4 turns in a row while i'm recasting it
>prossh player 2x my mana and a sac outlet goes unnoticed

so this is the power.... of monored... woah...

>>49169166
We have a guy who plays karn colourless artifact shenanigans. The moment that hits the field he targets him so much.

I play it even in a fairly low creature count rafiq deck because it's just so awesome.

>>49169925
Literally the second-worst color combination, behind mono white. You weren't warned?

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>>49168826
Impact tremor/similair effects in Purph

>>49169951
yeah the point was that the table got immensely spooked at monored doing something early on and decided to make sure i wouldn't do a single thing rest of the game

mono red is just too spooky for people i guess

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>>49169908
How
Why
For what purpose
In what capacity

>>49168826
Straight into Animar it goes, all the triggers I want doubled holy hell...

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>>49169908
I just printed out a narset deck to test with...

Am I the autist?

>>49170053
I mean, you're testing Narset

So

>>49169749
I'm a big proponent of Elspeth, Sun's Champion.

A wrath, bodies and an easy to reach ultimate that will very likely end the game, she's got it all.

>>49169951
This is a meme. The worst combo is R/B sheerly because of it's horrendous choice of commanders.

>>49170149
Ehh, sort of I guess

I can't really think of any RB abilities off the top of my head that are really great anyway. Unchained? Was that what it was called? Eh

>>49169749
Daretti, for obvious reasons.

>>49169985
Mono-red is the funnest though

At least when it works

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Are there any versions of this neato guy for creature spells?

>>49169749
Probably Boggart Arsonists.

>>49170149
Rakdos, Lord of Riots for least worst RB commander. You still have Kaervek, Olivia, Grenzo and a couple others that aren't that bad and are quite playable.

The main issue with RB is no enchantment removal when things like Rhystic Study and other enchantments are staples.

RW is worse due to next to no card draw, even worse commanders, and minimal ramp. At least black can draw out the ass and has some beefy demons and stuff.
RW has Iroas and...?

Boros and Rakdos are my two favourite colour pairings.

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>>49170224

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>Verdurous Gearhulk already running for $15

>>49170304
Aww yiss that's some good shit

Shame they wouldn't be able to tap once summoned but that would be pretty busted

>>49170298
Aurelia is a great commander. Tajic, despite how much I hate him, is a good boardwipes commander.

>>49170298
[spoiler: I agree.]

I got a lord of riots deck as my first, then made a rafiq deck but that either wins fast or gets focussed to death with little to no middle ground, so I prefer my Rakdos deck to play generally.

My next deck is Brion Stoutarm.

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>>49170329

>>49170369
Spoiler fail derp.

>>49170298
I'll have to disagree with you on that. Being completely vulerable to enchantments and a modest board-wipe (creature and otherwise) is worse than relying on artifacts for draw. The cards to remedy the latter are just more ($)expensive.

>>49170373
Another card to get before the entire Reserve List gets bought out by Wall Street.

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>>49170224
>>49170304
>>49170373
Why do you want tapped creatures? Is that part of the plan? You could just use something like this and get a pretty ok cost reduction.

>>49170316
That card's gonna be $5 or under a week after the set drops. It's a fine card, but christ it's nowhere near $15 good.

>>49170388
psst

Just highlight the text and hit ctrl+s, newfriend.

>>49170423
I was thinking the same thing. The most it will do is buff a creature cast last turn so you're able to swing a bit bigger.

>>49170411
Cryptolith Rite and especially Earthcraft are almost busted in token decks. But yeah, outside of that there's better ramp.

>>49170389
There are still some creative ways to get rid of enchantments (nev's disk and chaos warp for example) but you're right. They're both near at the bottom for dual colour. The only thing worse is probably the mono-colour decks.

>>49170389
Fair, I run Tajic but I play him as Soldier tribal with board-wipe subtheme. Fun with Worldslayer.
I prefer Zurgo for board wipes. The 7 power lets him clean the board easily after all the lands are gone.

>>49170439
Oh cool, thanks, I never knew that!
And it's just been a long time since I used spoilers on /tg/, and got them mixed up with the spoiler tags from somewhere else.

The etb doubler is going to get banned by the time the second kaldesh set hits. It isn't particularly good, but it will ruin casual games like nothing else.

>>49170298
The best form of enchantment removal is to kill the owning player. R/b is a great color identity for fast combo wins.

>>49170706
Also valid. Nothing like Havoc Festival + Wound Reflection to put the game on a 1 turn timer.

>>49170298
I actually run liquid metal coating in my R/B Rakdos deck just to deal with enchantments. It's janky, but it works.

>>49170765
Smart

>>49170743
That's such a lame combo that while fitting perfectly in my Rakdos lord of riots I don't run it.

>>49170706
Yep. Best combo I ever got was turn 3 win with a Kiki-combo.

T1: Land, Solar Ring
T2: Land, Buried Alive, get kiki, zealous conscripts, and phyrexian deliver.
T3: Some sort of reanimate card (deck has like 4-5 at/below 4cmc), Grab Delbert, reanimate kiki, then copy deliver again and reanimated zealous conscripts.

Won me a plethora of games with that combo alone.

>>49170765
You're right, that IS janky. You'd need a permanent with some sort of repeatable/trigger-able artifact destruction for it to work a bit reliably..

>>49170823
My phone does not like me.

Phyrexian Delver*
Sol Ring**

>>49170851
Viashino Heretic works and fits well with Rakdos Lord of Riots.

>>49170901
>Viashino Heretic
Hmm, it does indeed, might have to look into getting him for my deck.

>>49170932
Best part is that even if they have indestructible artifacts, you can ping them for the CMC. Really hurts when a colossus hits the board or something.

>>49170823
I used to run that dragon demon that makes you discard your hand when you play it. It was great. You can keep your graveyard based combo in your hands until it is safe to play. Won me tons of games.

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5 color commanders! Would you ever play Wordlheart Phoenix?

I love playing out of my graveyard, but... 5 mana for 4 power, even if evasive, feels a little underwhelming. If it had haste it'd be awesome for killing PWers but idk

>>49171001
Oh damn. That would have completely changed a game I had lately. The guy was running an artifact deck and managed to get 2 darksteel forges up and running while on low health already

>>49171095
I don't have a 5 colour commander, but I doubt I'd run it if I did.

>>49171095
5 Color decks tend to be pretty tightly packed. Maybe if it was a supported tribe or something, but nah. Not really worth it.

>>49171095
No, that's garbo limited fodder.

>>49170316
>meanwhile panharmonicon is on 2 bucks

Yoink

>>49171230
>Buying the next addition to the banlist

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>>49171155
>>49171166
>>49171177
Alright cool thanks for the replies. I've never included it before but was thinking about it.

Now, what about Etched Oracle/Monstrosity? The Oracle I found a bit underwhelming but the Monstrosity I've played a few times and was impressed by. One time I had a mana doubler out and tapped 5 lands to Bring it to Light and then remove the counters for 3 cards. Felt pretty good.

>>49171155
>>49171166
>>49171177
oh and nice dubs

>>49171268
You don't know that.

>because it's going to kick my ass it will probably be on the ban list at some point

Step it up son.

>>49171294

Etched oracle is actually way way better than etched monstrosity, but both are playable in 4-5 color decks

>>49171294
Sunburst in general isn't that great in EDH, mainly because most of the cards with it aren't super great. I'm not an expert in artifact shenanigans, so I might be wrong with this, but that's the impression I get.

Monstronsity isn't terrible. Do you have a commander in mind or do you just have a bunch of cool 5 color themed cards you wan to use?

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Toshiro Umezawa as commander Y/N?

I'm a little bit worried that he's too vulnerable to GY hate, and I can't find many wincons for him beyond Hatred.

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>>49168826
Same likw yesterday

>>49171477

I like him a lot, he's much less vulnerable to gy hate than some other great and viable commanders like mimeoplasm or meren, so I wouldn't worry about it

Umezawa is just a good value guy, make a control deck and flashback kill spells all day until you have your big mana pieces and then you can win with literally anything you want (that is black or colorless)

Not even sure hatred is ideal with him but hatred is a good card, I just think of it as a card for an evasive creatures deck not an instant based control deck

>>49171409
>Etched oracle is actually way way better than etched monstrosity
Interesting claim. I only played it once or twice before dropping it, but I might give it another go. The big issue for me is that 1 mana to use its activated ability; I have to leave up 1 mana at all times while it's alive or risk it dying, and if it dies the turn it comes out it's 5 mana for 3 cards which is good but not great.

>>49171450
>Do you have a commander in mind
I play Karona spellslinger, with lots of wrath effects. It's mostly creatureless so that I don't wipe my own field, but I do include a few: Aetherling, Ixidron, Etched Monstrosity, and maybe 1 or 2 more. Long story short, I like to keep the battlefield empty so that Karona can come down swinging and kill people in 1 or 2 hits. She's powerful, but doesn't have many evasion options.

I want to add a few more creatures because I don't have many good options for killing planeswalkers.

>>49171477
I think he's better for duel commander and casual decks, but he's not weak.

>>49171575
Is the musical instrument a girl in this metaphor or...?

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>>49168826
ALL GLORY TO THE PUMPKIN KING

>>49171638
Ah, an even better reason to begin work on the scarecrow deck I wish to build.

>>49171314
I never said it was a good card anon. It's a casual trap. Every casual player will include it in their deck, and it will ruin their fun games because of the combos it generates in removal less environments.

>>49171477
Yes. Tosh is tons of fun. Pro tip: there are tons of instant black tutors and otherwise cool black instants.

>>49171634

The monstrosity costs 5 mana to activate for the same number of cards though (also it's wubrg)

That's why oracle is better, also oracle conveniently puts itself in the gy to be recurred with e witness or Argivian find or som other artifact deck recursion

5 mana draw 3 with the possibility of reuse and creature related effects as a bonus

Contrasted with 10 man for draw 3 and have a vanilla 10/10, which is admittedly pretty strong, maybe better in certain decks?

>>49171776
>uh oh he called me out so I'll call the card and those who will use it casual

Hmm

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I have a very special form of autism that makes me try to copy GAAIV. I always forget hes legendary and no one tells me because they want me to waste my spells.

>>49166500
Because it's uninteractive and impossible to remove. Then again, there's way more busted things not on the banlist

>>49172763
>impossible to remove
That's not true at all

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This is the best card

>>49172914
Unless the player is playing it wrong, it is. Aside from counterspells, of course.
Only proper way to play that thing, is to cast it and use it immediately afterwards and it will return to your hand before anyone can break it.

>>49173230
That's true. My group isn't super competitive so I don't always think of the most optimized way of playing certain cards

>>49172048
This is what I've said even before you posted check the thread.

See >>49170630

>>49171294
I play Oracle in newzuri, its shiggy diggy

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I'm Starting a Mimeoplasm Deck, I've got a general idea of what it should be, but I'd like some suggestions that go beyond the usual edhrec "well here's what everyone else is doing" stuff.

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>>49173230

>>49173779
Mime infect os pretty much golgari infect with counterspells to protect you from boardwipes and some proliferate

Ive played around with it before its eh, you will wipe someone out in a few turns then the rest turn on you

Unfortunately being sultai you have no excuse bot to run some sort of reanimator effects

>>49173905
>Only proper way to play that thing, is to cast it and use it immediately afterwards

You never get priority while it's on the field, when are you planning on casting grip?

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>>49173905

>>49173905
nope.
You keep priority when it enters the battlefield and returning it to your hand is a cost, so it don't matter.
Recurring nightmare is nigh indestructibility.

>>49173995

You have to respond to them casting it by removing all their creatures, THEN you can destroy it

>>49165370

I am hyped to get my Leovold deck finished. I don't care if he's absolutely evil, the Derevi player must go down.

>>49174033

Or just make them discard it on your turn.

>>49167011

I don't get why people go the defender route with Doran. I love mine, but there is very little defender outside of Sylvan Caryatid. His strength is in the value he creates as +toughness and high toughness cards are cheaper. There's no need to rely on defenders and cards to allow them to attack when there's plenty of cards without defender and the same or similar stats/CMC.

>>49167011
Why not just Big Butt tribal? Defender just promotes durdling and I hate that shit

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>>49174185
I love how so many decks these days are 100% reliant on their commander and goodstuff, its like people forget removal exists then suddenly their commander os costing 5 then 7 then 9 and they got blown out just because they thought their commander would stick the entire game and spend the rest of their time trying to cast it

>>49171477
Load your deck with a bajillion kill spells and combo out. Remember ad nauseum is an instant

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>>49174469
When I play my commanders, I like to get all of my value on CAST

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>>49174559
Me too

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>>49174559
>Cascading cascades into cascades hnnnnnng

>>49174469
Playing Voltron is suffering

>>49174605
>Build Karlov
>Realize how much shit I need to go right to even think about winning
>Regret it
i just wanted a cool life gain linear deck

>>49174469
>playing againsy meren
>opponent casts it t2 thats to sol ring
>kill it
>opponent plays it on t4
>kill it
>opponent plays it t6
>lignify it
>opponent scoops
Just as planned

I feel a strong need to rebuild Gwafa Hazid, but I don't want to make games drag for like 5 hours until I win off of Azor's Elocutors

I'd rather make games drag for 2 or 3 hours and win off Elocutors

>>49174626
At least you have access to good spot removal. Mono red has awful removal for creatures outside of burn, and burn is a bad choice in all-out mono-red Voltron

>>49172705
Wait, copying your own? Or someone else's? Because if it's not yours, you can do that.

>>49172705
>Tutor up Mirror Gallery
>Cast it
>Drop a kicked Rite
>GG no re

>>49174807
It just kind of sucks. I went in all rainbows and sunshine and shit. I knew it wasn't goign to be the best but I always try to build the best version of all my decks and I like that challenge with unique build around. It's just so fucking depressing how much shit I need to go right. I need protection, I need evasion, I need lots of life gain, i need all my colors, it's just... not what I hoped for.

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>>49173779
>tfw you have no rival

>tfw no man can be your equal

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>build new deck out of existing cards with barely any testing
>bring it to EDH night
>it fucking dominates first 2 games and instantly makes you the archenemy

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>>49174683
As god intended.

You wanna keep that gay shit around, you better have the shoes to back it up.

>>49174683
Clearly the guy was stupid enough to keep casting her before giving her protection. What a fool.

>>49175169
You quit promoting bad behavior.

>>49175168
What deck?

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Updated my office meta. There's a game store across the street with lots of people I don't know so well, including their decks. We sometimes go over and join them.

>>49175169
God was never mentioned anywhere in the post but ok, keep projecting

Show us on the doll where tha bad priest touched your winky

>>49175213
Found the Merenfag.

>>49175236
Yasova

Stealing peoples mondo-huge creatures and smacking them to death with them is a great feeling, especially with a sac outlet out

>>49175278
...did you have a stroke

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>>49175278
Is English not your first language, anon? Or are you just the regular kind of stupid?

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Hold on

Does this keep the creature under your control?

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>>49175293
And proud of it.

>>49175322
Shit yeah, dude. She's majorly underrated. Good on ya.You happen to have a deck list?

>>49175278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDqNLgVHv8

>>49175348
Yes.

>>49174683
Sounds like he should have played some other threats turn 3 and 5

>>49167098
>drawing the perfect first hand out of 99 cards
/edh/ logic, not once.

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>>49175592
>he doesn't draw into Magical Christmasland on T0 every game
Fucking scrub get the fuck off my board

>>49175592
>Dies to Doom Bolt
>Whatever, I'll just counter it

This is what happens when you let Modernfags play your game.

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>>49175694
>Not having Pacts or Force of Will in any EDH deck that can run them

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All my decks as of late. Just took apart Xenegos (for Surrak) and Sygg, River Cutthroat. No one likes U/B. :(

>>49175783
play Wrexial

>>49171638
>yfw you have to destroy half of your lands too because Reaper King doesn't have a "may" clause and your artifact just triggered his effect 15 times

>>49175847
I have like, three guys at my LGC that maindeck Boil in any deck that has red. Shit is always unexpected and annoying. Only deck that can deal with it is Azami, usually.

>>49175897
I maindeck boil, boiling seas, reb and pyroblast in daretti stax spaghetti
There is always at least 1 blue player if not 3
Never forgetti

>>49176028
What about Burnout?

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>Playing MW in multiplayer
>One guy playing Mishra
>An opponent scoops because he thinks its a combo deck
>Mishra player proceeds to play Possibility Storm and gets out Mishra
>Play MW, get no value
>Decide to play my sorcery next turn to cycle it, hit a Wildfire
>Suddently no one has lands
>Mishra is dead
>Mishra player complaining that I run MLD
>Other opponent scoops as soon as hes the only one left

I fuckin love these games

>>49176053
Good idea, i might have to find more room

reminder that you're a casual if you can't regularly play and win with decks that don't use U, G, or are heavy on artifacts

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>>49176093
>playing a game at the lgs
>MW, Narset, Zur
>new guy comes in with a derevi deck
>before we even draw out opening hand we decide derevi wins then play a 3 player game without him
>he packs up and leaves
>havent seen him since
>taught him not to bring a shit deck to the store
>#rekt

>>49176166
Reminder that people who use phrases like "you're a casual" are rightfully mocked by the rest of society.

>>49176166
>you're a casual
But EDH is a casual format

>>49176166
>playing red
>>>>playing red

>>49176246
But red is fun

>>49176270
So are 5 man gangbangs but that doeant make you less of a faggot

EDH is UGx: the format

>>49176301
You sound like a chump who can't function without UGx in his decks

>>49176301
Reminder that if you don't have a 5 man (min) gangbang after game night you're a casual.

>>49176341
>4 players + the store owner
We get a free dragons maze booster if we bottom

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Whats a good commander for someone getting back into MtG?

When he stopped playing it, it was around 5-6th edition probably.
He played games trying to draw Fireball and Keldon Warlord, playing stuff like Leviathan and Shyft, Shivan Dragon, Juggernaut.

Would Animar be a good commander for coming back to MtG in RUG colors? Seems like a simple commander with a simple deck build.

Fuck it, I'm building Big Stick Diplomacy Hidetsugu. Time to find the weird old red control effects

>>49176412
RUG has some of the more complicated commanders, and the game has changed immensely since 5th-6th Edition. Plus EDH has some of the weirder interactions I've seen in Magic

Maybe lend him a couple decks and see which he enjoys

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>>49176448
Hmm, alright, any suggestions? After messing around with that, what would be some examples of good beginner commanders?

Have a spurdo as thanks.

>>49176370
Ugh. Do I have to take the booster?

Do you guys play games where 2-3 people start targeting you when you arent the threat?

>>49176491
Sounds like Gruul might be for him, if he likes tokens, big damage and splashy creatures. Red/Green is Creaturetown, Xenagos, maybe?

I still think you should let him try some decks and see what he enjoys playing

>>49168539
sydri's ability overrides the P/T printed on vehicles.
They need to put in a ruling so people stop asking/getting excited over this.

>>49176568
Yeah, we all play EDH, that's why we're here.

Stop bitching and git gud

>>49176573
You could still get a hasty trampler for U instead of tapping out a few creatures

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>>49176592
>EDH
>Git Gud

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>>49176416
>weird old red control
oh nigga

let me take you under my wing

>>49169925
thing is, when you kill prossh it only makes his dick harder.

>>49167098
Doomblade.
Instant speed everyone sac a creature
Each player can only draw one card a turn.
Counterspell
Wrath
Ive already won
Kk, krenko taps to make 20 goblins, swing for 20
Ect,ect

>>49176491
How about Queen Marchesa? She lends well to a basic 'go wide', creature-based strategy, has built--in card draw, and the Monarch mechanic adds a fun dynamic to the game

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>he doesn't play Stifle and Trickbind in every deck he can

>>49175029
My own. I just always forget.

>>49175101
If he was my commander then maybe, but not in the 99.

>>49176570
>>49176673
I'll keep all that in mind, thanks guys. Hope I don't go too fast on him with relearning the rules.

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>played Queen Marchesa last night
>brought a paper crown just so I could wear it while I'm the monarch
>crown gets passed around the table while the monarch position bounces all over the place

One of the more autistic things I've done but my group enjoyed it

>>49176756
I guess I'm going to need to invest in one of those Burger King crowns (if they even still make them).

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>>49176756
I'd rather wear a crown than use that fucking token with the typo on it.

While we're on the topic of autism...

>>49176828
>>49176851
Just search "paper crown" on Amazon, you can get a dozen for about 6 bucks

>>49176851
pls explain

>>49176918
>at the beginning your end step