>no spoilers thread GET IN HERE so what's with green

>>49148497
>UR plane
>I want le wacky spells and artifacts XD
Holy fuck kill yourself

>>49148497
It isn't any more a UR plane than Mirrodin is.
All color interact with artifacts in meaningful ways.

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this needs to get good now

>>49148666
U need to get good now.

>>49148666
What is this? A treasure for ants?

>>49148666
satan I didn't know you were an ant

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>>49148746
I laughed probably more than I should have.

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>>49148497
>green mythic
>uses +1/+1 counters
when will this meme die?

>>49148497
>potentially an 8/8 trampler for five mana and only an artifact type as a drawback

"Magic: The Gathering was a mistake."
- Richard Garfield

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>>49148838
>green
>gives +1/+1 counters

when will this meme die XD

>>49148838

I've always admired Metroid's sick faceship.

Super Mario Galaxy had one two.

>>49148838
It's effectively 8/8 for 5, with Trample AND versatility of beefing your other guys at the cost of itself AND combo potential via duplication. The prior two make it Rare, the latter two push it to Mythic. Green normally doesn't have versatility.

>>49148497
It's not a secret by now that R&D sucks real hard on Green's (and Black's) dick.

>>49148501
>I want le dumb green face beating creatures XD

You must be 18+ to post here.

>>49148497
>Take a boring common
>push the cost
>now it's a mythic!!!

>>49150082
which common?

>>49150082
>4 mana for 8 power
>common

>>49150092
Wurmskin Forger
>>49150116
>push the cost

>>49150082
>>49150092
>>49150116
this desu. This normally would be a common, just in shit of course, so like 4GG 3/3 with 3 counters. But no, wizards needs to make another pushed green mythic thats only in mythic because powerlevel. fuck this gay shit

>>49148918
This. If it was blue or white, it'd be way too abusable in flicker decks. Derevi would like him, but I can just imagine some brago EDH player flickering this ass 3 times to make his brago 14/16.

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You are all ignoring the fact that it is an artifact on a plane filled with Vedalken.

>>49148497
That's really cool, I wish that I could use it with Avatar of the Resolute but oh well, Dragons and Origins need to leave.

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holy shit people get on it. there's spoilers to post

>>49152639
Holy shit, it looks like a nice source of energies. I hope they make a cycle of them.

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3BBB
Creature - Demon
Flying

When Demon of Shady Schemes enters the battlefield, all other creatures get -2/-2 until the end of turn.

Whenever another creature dies, gain E (one energy counter).

2B, pay EEEE: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefiend tapped under your control.
Illus. Daarken 5/5

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Territorial Devourer
3R
Creature - Gremlin
Trample

Whenever you gain one or more E (one energy counter), Territorial Devourer gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
Illus. Lius Lasahido 2/2

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>>49152658
>live fast and die young

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>>49152710
>>49152658
Feels bad man.

>>49152658
>>49152710
It bothers me that both these cards belong in a slow, control deck, but I'm excited to see if there's some good payoff for all this energy gathering. Aetherworks Marvel and the new demon are good, but one's legendary and the other brings creatures into play tapped. There needs to be a bit more.

Very parasitic, it's like WOTC has forgotten what made Kamigawa bad.

>>49148887
Those aren't counters, Anon.

>>49148497
Could this be a deliberative move to get green away from coco style cheap/efficient creatures towards big impact fatties again?

When are we getting a Loo artifact card?

>>49153305
One will come through the planar portal in Aether Revolt and perplex the natives of Kaladesh

>>49153398
kek

>>49153428
This will of course lead to a setup for Kaladesh 2: Aetheric Pooinloo, where the people of the plane Yooniseff invade and demand the inhabitants of Kaladesh take their poo to the loo.

>>49153495
i literally cannot stop laughing right now, you bastard.

>>49152710
BAD GIRLS DO IT WELL

>>49152673
holy balls

>>49152710
I am trying to think of situations where this is better than grasp of darkness

granted we haven't seen the whole set so we don't know if there will be an easy way to generate energy counters

but an instant speed -4/-4 seems better to me than a sorcery speed -2/-2 with potential to go higher at the cost of a resource

>>49153531

Congrats, you're the one person who still finds the meme funny.

>>49154168
look no further for your energy generator

>>49152639
it may be a cycle too, so you wouldn't even have to splash green.

>>49152690
Have they mentioned if every color is going to get cards that give energy? From what's been spoiled it looks like Red is mostly support for/from other colors and artifacts.

>>49154168
Less colour investment / using it for lower priority threats to save the grasp of darkness for the nastier stuff / killing a high priority 1 toughness creature and coming out positive on energy.

Grasp is still better for pure "kill what you want dead right now" but it has some use at least

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A better Runed Servitor and relevant for Emerge decks. I like it.

And it seems cute.

>>49154372
Solemn Puppy

>>49154372
Why did you change the file name? Did you save the same image twice?

>>49154372
I'm sorry little pupper, daddy needs his card.
>Krark-Clan Ironworks.jpg

>>49154181
Congrats, you're the same butthurt Pajeet who cries about it in every Kaladesh thread. Now fuck off and learn how to poo in the loo before replying.

>>49154457

And you sound like the same child in every thread who thinks shouting the word poo over and over again is hilarious.

>>49154474
But it is, what about you being literally unable to Poo in the Loo when even 2 years old kids can do it, how is that not funny.

>>49154457
Holy shit can you please go back to your containment board >>>/pol/

There's a big difference between using racism to deliver a punchline and using racism itself as the fucking punchline. There's no joke. It's not funny. Fuck off.

>>49154427
I've it posted on the other thread but i thought this thread was better suited to spoilers. Then I linked the image from there.

>>49153137
Coco is rotating out

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>>49153137
I'm ready
Always loved me some big fat fatties

>>49154831
Yes, I know. But they try to change how colours play, making certain aspects stronger and weaker. We're coming from a time where Green had pure and cheap value like Sylvan advocates, recruiters and pacifists.

Without the hard cmc limit of 3 and with such fatties, they could try to shift green towards being "drop big fatties and kick face" or some similar archetype in the new standard.

>>49154763
What joke, Sahil? I'm just stating facts about indian people being so literally unable to poo in the loo that they forced even the fucking UNICEF to make a song about pooing in the loo for them like they're some kind of retarded children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

No racism and no joke here, maybe poo in the loo sometimes and you'll calm down.

>>49154915
>it's real

kek, now i get why they get so mad over poo in the loo jokes when it's actually real

>>49152710

Ah hell yeah, some non-evil black dudes for once.

I thought the story panel would be the next thing up? But now there's a Q&A panel. When's the next actual panel?

>>49154941
Even non-indians are getting tired of seeing the same joke in every thread concerning Kaladesh. It's no different than frog posting at this point.

>>49154976
discard outlets just gained even more value.

>>49155003
This. I'm white and find it fucking obnoxious and retarded. Like a kid with a disability walking into a conversation and just screaming about his spiderman action figure.

So, where are the good cards at ? So far it only has been a draft junk shitfest if you are not counting that green mythic.
I'm starting to worry.

>>49155003
I'm not though, maybe you should learn to live together with people who enjoy different things from you instead of crying about racism while acting like a retarded fascist because you can't poo in the loo.

>>49155028
>good cards

Fuck off.

>>49155022
>I'm white

Kek, and I find your unability to poo in the loo really stupid, what are you gonna do about it except accepting that there's no toilet witch, Raji?

>>49155028
>shitfest
>on the DESIGNATED plane

They know

>>49154976
Vedalken's on Mirrodin do it better.

>>49155028
For some reason, Wizards almost always spoils the draft fodder junk first and waits until the last fucking second to post the cards with actual mechanical set synergy.

>>49155037
Yhea, good cards. Like, actually playable cards in a competitive environment. So far I don't see any.

>>49155028
The good cards are printed on side products. Main prints is for draft and standard.

>>49155086
>competitve

Why. Competitive players ruin my fun game.

>>49155086
You know draft is competitive, right?

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Alright. What land cycle is everyone looking forward to?

>>49155101
Nice bait.

>>49155105
Standard Lands!

>>49152673
>Demon of Shady Schemes
I think it might be "Darkplot Demon" in English.

>>49155105
>caring about land cycles

>>49155030

Senpai I found poo in the loo funny at first (if only cause of the video), but the jokes been beaten to absolute death and yall haven't progressed it beyond the basic "We're on an Indian plane, poo in the loo ha ha ha". If yall are gonna spam that joke, be at least kind of sort of creative with it.

>>49152673
Aw shit I love this guy I hope he keeps his name.

>>49155121
i just post what's on mythicspoiler anon

>>49155105
dual lands that enters the battlefield tapped!

>>49155131
>wah I don't like a meme stop using it!
Are you retarded?

>>49155131
I will keep posting poo in loo until they poo in loo. This includes the Kaladeshians.

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>>49155105
What about an enemy cycle of dual lands that enter the battlefield tapped unless you control 3 or more energy counters?

>>49155131
>Stop liking things I don't like!

Holy shit, this board really is full of redditors.

>>49155105
Lands that enter the battlefield tapped and gives you 1 {E} as ETB effect. And can tap for {C} or {D}.

How about enemy fetch lands?

:^)

>>49155208
(^;

>>49155186
He's not saying its bad or anything, just so painfully uncreative that it gets boring. If there was a poo in loo copypasta made by /tg/, I'd be more invested, but nothing spectacular has arisen from POO IN LOO other than that witch edit and a wojak indian

"Ashiok is not an Aetherborn." - Doug Beyer

There you guys go.

>>49152710

Did he died?

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>>49155154
>>49155186

I DO like the meme, which is why I'm frustrated by all this low effort literal shittposting. When the sewer swamp art was released, someone said something like "Why would they even need sewers?", I actually laughed out loud. Be like that guy, apply a bit of thought and a bit of creativity into your literal shittposting and I'll laugh right along with you. But otherwise you're doing the equilvent of posting the original pepe image 6 months down the line and expecting people to just laugh.

>>49155105
Wasteland.
A Wasteland for each color.

>>49155267

Why would he confirm or deny anything related to Aishok? Just let it remain a possibility amongst many.

>>49155180
>What about an enemy cycle of dual lands that enter the battlefield tapped unless you control 3 or more energy counters?

Nah, that would actually be parasitic.

>>49155384
"We knew we would receive lots of questions about Ashiok being an Aetherborn."

>>49155345
>When the sewer swamp art was released, someone said something like "Why would they even need sewers?"

Kek

>>49153305
>>49153398
Rise of the Loodrazi?

Saheeli, Loominary Artificer

>g-guys stop posting poo in loo
>it isnt funny anymore
>it's tired and racist and ugh

But now it's even funnier that white knights come into threads whining about poo in loo

>>49155551
>it isn't funny anymore
it never was

>>49155105
Mono-colored lands that enter tapped
At Rare level for drafting balance

>>49148497
How in the flying fuck is that a mythic?

>>49155566

Hi Amesh, don't you have some women to rape?

>>49155555
checking

>>49155566
I was always a fan of designated shitting streets over poo in the loo because some poor Indian guy learned the hard way why you never defend anything on the internet, always attack

>>49155588
Just because I don't laugh at juvenile humor doesn't mean I'm Indian

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>>49155588
>poo and dubs

I don't want my /tg/ literally turn to shit by uncreative memesters.
Be creative. Invent. Innovate. Be like a Kaladeshian.

>>49155551
How long has it been dancing around /int/? About two years?
It's old hat. It's just like watching Monty Python on the Holy Grail for the twentieth time. Its course has been run and now it's time to put it down.

>>49155028
Dunno what you are talking about, we have at least 3 playable cards spoiled thus far (green mythic, green landfall eneregy producer and the flagship) and some of the other cards (the 4cmc artifact mythic, the UR pw and the demon) have a chance to make it.

>>49152658
How the fuck is a card with that name and flavor text not red? This angers me.

>>49155587
It'll sell packs

>>49155619

Wanna know how I know you're a redditor? If you were keeping up with the /int/ meta, all you'd have to say is SHART IN MART. But you didn't, because you're a filthy fucking liar. About the only thing filthier than your lies are your shit filled streets.

>>49155618
>Be creative
>Kala "dude steampunk is still a thing right?" desh
>Kala "literally none of my cards are gonna be good in relevant formats" desh
>Kala "Phyrexia when?" desh

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I wish Kaladesh threads didn't devolve into arguing about fucking memes all day.

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>>49155617
>Just because I don't laugh at juvenile humor

DESIGNATED fedoraposter

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> Kamigawa 2.0 + Scalyfag/ Mongol edition
>Then it was Innistradhammer: End times- H.P Lovecraft edition
>Now its le ebin Boonta eve classic on Tatooine's grand bazaar time

when will Wizards get an original idea for once?
I mean last Soi and Eldritch Moon had great themes but weve all seen Eldritch horrors before (btw where the fuck was Tibalt during all this shit? Doesn't he love it when humans suffer and mass chaos happens? I thought for sure with a new line of Devil cards they would atleast bring back Tibalt what gives?)

Im really hoping the next Egyptian themed set doesnt suck and introduces some better mechanics

>>49155683
God I can't wait for Wizards to spoil the one broken card for each new mechanic that become played in modern and legacy so we can fucking get beyond the "every card in this set sucks beyond limited abd babbu's first standard" phase of /tg/ not knowing what the fuck it's talking about and get to the "this shit is so broken how could wizards print this abloobloobloo" phase.

>>49155717
Wizards knew what they were doing.

>>49155643
Hahaha, oh anon, red can't get good things

>>49155725
Weatherlight was pretty cool. And Mirrodin vs Phyrexians is not original enough? I mean, it is impossible for them to come with something that was never used in any media.

>>49155746
What was broken that was printed in SOI/Eldritch Moon?

>>49155821
Modern dredge enablers from SOI put the deck back on the map

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VweLytV1oM8&feature=youtu.be

really makes you think

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>>49155821
>Lilliana Vess is a 3 drop win condition thats near impossible to stop without exhausting atleast 60% of your opponents resources
>Avacyn dumpstering everybody
>New Sorin can easily kill you in 3-5 turns WHILE gathering + counters
>Gisela while admittedly not broken can completely turn the tides if your not prepared and is outright overloaded for her cost
>all the top decks was Lilliana, Elder Deep Fiend spam into Emrakul which no one knows how to play against

It wasnt perfect but then again we did get great cards like Cryptbreakers and some fun decks like white weenies morphing into Eldrazi horrors

>>49155725

Any idea ever can be generalized like that. Not that I'm even sure what you're even trying to say with that third one.

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>>49155922
why would you even pander like this?
you have nothing to gain but alot of things to lose.
why would you WILLINGLY draw the ire of these "people"


>>49155950
pic related

>>49155880

Dredge in general is a broken mechanic, which is why we must secure the existence of our deck and a future for combo archetype.

>>49155929
You do know we're talking legacy and modern, right?

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>>49152673
Bravo, magic

>>49155683
>muh sekret klub

>>49154976
THIS CARD WILL GO GREAT IN MY EDH DECK :DDDDDDD >>49148497
>>49148666
>>49152639
>>49152658
>>49152673
>>49152690
>>49152710

>>49155929
He was talking in the context of modern and legacy. I don't think anyone's arguing that SoI/EDM didn't have cards that were broken for standard.

>>49155987
>Warcraft invented demons dual wielding weapons

>>49155993
Reminds me: Is there a Kaladesh previews bingo sheet?

>>49155993
>triggered this hard over EDH-friendly cards

time to find a new hobby anon ;)

>>49155993

Orrery will fit into Affinity, and the Puzzleknot will be broken up, if only with the mythic that'll let you get Emrakul or Ulamog out on T4.

>>49155993
Honestly the Orrery and the Demon are the only ones that look great for EDH at the moment, out of the ones you linked to.

Except maybe the second one, I have no idea what card that is.

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On a unrelated note how do I Cohort - Support Ally?

I find the whole drop 100 allies until you have a 15/15 strategy boring.

whats a fun alternative way to play them without relying on the black/white crutch?

Bonus points if you manage to make use of 4-5C Converge

>>49156039
It looks like a card from original Mirrodin.

>>49156039
>Except maybe the second one, I have no idea what card that is.
Trash for Treasure

>>49155105
Enters tapped but can produce 1 colour or an Energy Counter.

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>>49156023

>>49155725
>Kamigawa 2.0
>when Tarkir has nothing to do with Japan

>complaining about no Tibalt on Innistrad
>when he's A FUCKING PLANESWALKER

>complaint about Kaladesh is literally nonsensical

you're actually retarded, anon

>>49156164
Shit tier bingo sheet.

>>49156218

Fitting for kaladesh then

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These here.

>>49156235

>enemy fast lands

Chase rares identified

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>>49156164
>ugh another white male
Second day spoilers still only one male card.

>>49156235

Scars of Mirrodin 2.0 confirmed

>>49156264
>Chase rares
Not really, considering how few copies of MRD fastlands are played in modern.
Add to that the amount of print this set will see, and they'll propably never break $10.

>>49156264
Wizards openly said they make rare lands as chase rares for tournament players to sell boxes.

I like them. They look pretty.

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>>49155725
>in the era of 2-set blocks, lifeless card art, the Jacetice League, and terrible'rakul writing'rakul
>expecting any mainline MTG expansion to be good

>>49155997
>with long horns
>and red wings
>curved blades
They look exactly alike, get fukt nerd

>>49156350
>exactly
you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means

>>49156235
O bb don't B so meen

>>49156350

They're completely different kinds of horns, the wings aren't anywhere close to the same color, and the demon has swords while Illidan has some retarded glaives.

You're seriously saying a demon is ripping off Warcraft because it has horns. Be ashamed of yourself.

>>49156223

I get it, because poo in loo XD we did it reddit!

>>49155995
Avacyn is going to get modern play, things just got distorted as fuck by the Eldrazi deck.
spell queller is probably going to show up. As might the GB grizzled fucker.

>>49156235
the order that the cards are being held in is triggering me.

>>49156279

It must be tough, being so autistic that you care about the amount of white males on a piece of cardboard.

Will we see a Fabricate reprint or would it be 'too confusing' with the new mechanic? I really like this set so far.

>>49156235
Orzhov will be a 3 or 4 of in Abzan decks, and the Izzet one might see some play as well.

Rest is kinda meh, I'd propably pre-buy Concealed Courtyards.

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>>49156166
>Innistrad is literally Tibalts home plane and as its falling apart hes nowhere to be seen
>Lilliana was sort of just sitting around in her little hide-out instead of hunting down the demon she made a pact with
>"b-baka Jayce-kun how dare you accuse me of doing these naughty things."
>gets jealous after she see's Jayce hanging out with nippon moonwaifu
>"okay I GUESS ill join your dumb gatewatch and help stop the Eldrazi but not because I want to or anything"
>Sorin has to kill OC donut steel girlfriend (and doesnt just remake her for some reason)
>*CRAWLING IN MY SKIN* intensifies
>Basically every planeswalker is joining the Gatewatch and a certain cursed G/B Hunter who just LOVES hunting and killing planeswalkers is no where to be seen or even hinted at
>half of the vampires devolved back into their crazed 24/7 bloodmad/bloodlust state of mind
>welp looks like everythings patched up here! lets go on to the next plane guys!
>"Whats that? half of these humans got turned into monsters,scattered and killed off and that now without their Angels they're as vulnerable as ever especially with that big bad "profane prince" guy on the loose? pfft who cares lets go to Kaladesh !"

no.
wizards writing is shit
stop defending literal bad fan fiction.
Innistrad is fucking doomed now and the Helvaut is the equivalent of a nuclear plant leak but for evil .

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So what can you do with this?

>>49156559

EDH Brago.

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>>49156559
Genesis Chamber is the first thing that comes to mind.

Seems pretty difficult to build around. 3cmc might have been a better cost for it.

>>49156559
holy shit. going straight into my reaper king artifact deck. possibly into karador as well.

>>49156559
Doubling doubling season?

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aaaaaw yis

>>49155345
This

I unironically and sincerely love Kaladesh so far. I'm sure they'll find a way to ruin it with set number 2, but for not it's pretty colors and shiny artifacts. Also Izzet grrl a cute.

>>49156559
you know all the things that torpor orb fixes? you can make all of those better.

>>49156502
>Lilliana was sort of just sitting around in her little hide-out instead of hunting down the demon she made a pact with
She's more worried about the effects of the chain veil and what it might be doing to her.
>gets jealous after she see's Jayce hanging out with nippon moonwaifu
>"okay I GUESS ill join your dumb gatewatch and help stop the Eldrazi but not because I want to or anything"
That is not what happened, even remotely
>Sorin has to kill OC donut steel girlfriend (and doesnt just remake her for some reason)
Sorin made Avacyn before the mending, he literally doesn't have the strength to do it again.
>Basically every planeswalker is joining the Gatewatch and a certain cursed G/B Hunter who just LOVES hunting and killing planeswalkers is no where to be seen or even hinted at
There was already a big enough threat going on, Garruk would have made things too complicated
>half of the vampires devolved back into their crazed 24/7 bloodmad/bloodlust state of mind
Emrakul
>welp looks like everythings patched up here! lets go on to the next plane guys!
>"Whats that? half of these humans got turned into monsters,scattered and killed off and that now without their Angels they're as vulnerable as ever especially with that big bad "profane prince" guy on the loose? pfft who cares lets go to Kaladesh !"
This is three months later, we don't know what happened in the meantime. And only three members went to Kaladesh.

So shut the fuck up

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>>49156559
STRAIGHT INTO THE JUDGE TOWER IT GOES

>>49156660
This is propably the Blackcleave Cliffs of this cycle.

>>49156660
When I read the flavor text in >>49156235
I thought it said where high *anxiety* and dark opportunity intersect. This makes more sense, but I like my version better.

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>>49152673
Its massacre wurm but instead of dealing 2 to the player per dead create it generates energy and with a upside of reanimating stuff from your grave. With one less attack.

The power creep is real.

>>49156795
>black gets pushed in the set right after an Innistrad blocks.
pls explain.

>>49156795
since when was one energy better than dealing 2 life loss

>>49156795
Demons gets hit by Plummet, the wurm doesn't-

>>49156795
Massacre Wurm is a better card than the demon. Wurm only hits opponent's creatures, demon hits all creatures. The demon also needs 4 other things to die and spend 3 mana to reanimate a creature while the wurm generates immediate value as soon as an enemy creature dies.

The decks that -2/-2 effects are good against are those that play a lot of weak creatures, reanimating a single one is suboptimal whereas there are many situations in which dropping a massacre wurm on a clogged board straight up wins you the game.

You could *maybe* argue that the two are comparable but to even pretend that the demon is significantly stronger than Massacre Wurm is absurd.

>>49156897
the demon is flying, which is huge.
The demon can enable reanimator shenanigans.
The demon can use energy from other sources for more activations.

Not that guy though, because I consider them comparable, not power creep. Your points are true, I'm just providing counter points.

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Apologize.

>>49156897

Wurm also is a great opener for an alpha strike.

Make all of your opponents creatures weaker/dead, causes lots of life lose, attack and cause more life loss, which should be enough to win the game.

>>49156968
Wait, what exactly are Aetherborn? I thought it was just some new subtype they made up.

>>49156559
This is ridiculously stupid.
rhinointensifies.jpg and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

>>49156675
So far I love all the art that doesn't show any people.
Kaladeshians look retarded and not in a "omg brown people way" the white people look retarded too. It's like being abandoned in the steampunk ren-faire.

>>49156838
Innistrad is a white plane.

>>49156968
Oh for fuck's sake, genderless energy people are as old as science fiction.
"Social Justice" is socialpolitical Alzheimer's.

>>49157134
That's not a real creature you goof, it's what they made at the "audience designs a card" panel.

>>49157134

6 mana win the game

Huh

Who thought this was OK.

>>49157084
U/R Fastland

All of my dreams.

>>49157166
Whoever designed that card is a scrub.

>>49157084
Huh. Opposite of the tango lands?

>>49156968
>"Aetherborn came into being spontaneously as a byproduct of the aether refinement process. Their bodies are in constant flux, as the aether residue they're made of gradually dissolves and is reclaimed by the aethersphere. Thus, their lives are short. But rather than despair, they savor each fleeting moment, squeezing out every last drop of enjoyment."

>>49157134
Pax invent a card, and they made shit.

Funny that WOTC then made it rare.

>>49157134
It's hard taking "muh giant metal man" seriously after Smash to Smithereens.
It's also funny how a chunk of awesome removal was printed in the most nonchalant plane. Life in Lorwyn is just a series of pranks.

>>49157190
How new are you?

>>49156559
Yep, gonna have to load up on the artifact wipes for EDH after this set, at least 10 should be a good number.

>>49157161

Status Quo Warriors are just as ignorant of the past.

Oh, no, a setting has trans characters.

Oh, no they don't randomly sex their intelligent robots/elementals.

Personally, I like having both gendered and non-gendered robots in my games, just because the mess of it makes the setting more believable.

Like how incubi in 4e both refer to the demon versions of succubi and succubi in a male form.

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>>49157134
>kills creatures AND planeswalkers at the same time
I'd never play it, but I like the sentiment.

Fuck the planeswalker card type btw. Just one of R&D's attempts at making creatures more relevant and control decks harder to play.

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>>49157225
>2010-2011
>shape anew blade splicer golem token into blightsteel collossus
>slips on a banana peel

>>49156795
you forget to mention it has evasion in it's powercreep. even still, massacre wurm is the better card tho.

assuming that the demon is the only energy card in your deck, it requires four creatures to die and mana before you can reanimate something, and even then grave hate can stop that, or a kill spell on the demon in response to the triggers that give you energy. the wurm generates advantage immediately per death trigger, and depending on your opponent, could kill them on the spot. AAAND the demon shrinks your team as well as the enemies'

They're gonna do improv on the stream. Prepare for cringe lads.

>>49157190
>tangolands
>not knowing the fastlands
>>>/r/eddit

>>49148887
counters aren't referenced even once on that card

>What is your favorite planeswalker?
>... I heard "Zeus".

>>49157320
Are you fucking retarded?

>>49157343
giant growth gives +3/+3 until end of turn, no counters

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>>49156795
>Reanimate Sheodreld who reanimates Artisan of Kozilek who reanimates the new demon who reanimates Massacre Wurm.

>>49157235
>>49157319
You guys are really easy to trigger. I didn't play during Scars. Quit around original Ravnica, and just recently getting back to it.

>>49157381
>Artisan of Kozilek
On cast, Anon.

>>49157259
actually, it was a marketing thing. it was an idea one of the illustrators pitched. they needed a "mickey mouse," or a bunch of characters that can be followed, but they had to differentiate it from the rest of the creatures to make them special. planeswalkers were made to get more normies interested in the game.

>>49157343
giant growth 100% does not use counters. giving a temporary boost to P/T means no +1/+1 counters. +1/+1 counters are used to make permanent buffs. And yes, there are a few cards that give indefinite P/T boosts without counters, don't bring that shit up (not that it would help your argument)

>>49157358
Exactly. Now reread >>49148887

>>49157381
switch artisan and sheoldred and you got it boss.

>>49156062
>Cohort-Support ally
Literally unplayable. Not even in limited.

>>49156559
Does this counts their own etb effect?

>>49157476
Yes

>>49157476
the creature is a permanent, so yes.

>>49150610
Dont worry anon, they'll be green you dont have to worry about blue anymore

>>49156164
>goes great in my EDH deck

Thank you for this

>>49157476
>>49157512
>>49157514
no, it doesn't go infinite by itself.
It's ability isn't triggered by an artifact or creature etb, it's triggered by an triggered ability going on the stack from a creature etb.

>>49157512
>>49157514
This card is going to be bonkers in my Ally EDH deck.

>>49157254
Go back to tumblr.

>>49156795
>drop Massacre Wurm and kill your opponent if they have a board full of tokens
>drop Dirty Deeds Done Cheap Demon and wipe your own board along with your opponents for the ability to reanimate creatures for 2B + 3 creatures killed each
>power
>creep

I am physically incapable of handling this level of retardation. In two years when Wizards announces return to Tarkir are we just going to respond with >XD POO KEKING IN DESIGNATED LOO EBIN GB2 REDDIT WHITE KNIGHTS GiT REKKED

fuck you you piece of shit, I sincerely hope you are trolling because this level of mental retardation has finally broke me

>>49157553
who said anything about going infinite?

>>49157553
This was not the question.

>>49157134
This thing real? I'm gonna be pretty upset if this is a rare in one of my packs.

>>49157553
actually wait I'm not sure this is actually a triggered ability, the templating is like a replacement effect, but it's copying not replacing.

Still, can't self reference.

>>49148497
>Dwarves FINALLY back in MtG
>Lots of interesting, fun draft mechanics introduced
>Want to google and see what everyone thinks of this
>Nothing but bitching about how dwarves are a negative stereotype and WotC should've been "above" such "insensitive" topics
What the fuck is wrong with people?

>>49157553
I think >>49157553 was talking about creatures/other permanents' own etb abilities, which is what I meant "yes" about.

>>49157553
It's a replacement effect. I don't think anyone is thinking that you get infinite etb triggers with one card.

>>49157598
>bitching about how dwarves are a negative stereotype
wut

>>49157580
>>49157582
derp, misread 'their' as 'its'.

>>49157575
It's actually worse, it is 2B + 4 dead creatures.

>>49157570

>looks at tumblr porn.

Sweet.

>>49157632
or anything else that might generate energy.
And reanimation which can hit either graveyard is pretty damn nice.
It's not powercreep, the that ability is more powerful than the haters are acting.

>>49157620
>5'9
>6'0

>>49157620
Arguments were:
>Dwarf is an insult/slur in real life
>Dwarfs are a negative stereotype because they are hairy, aggressive, and drink alot
>Dwarfs are a negative stereotype because they are short and have alot of muscles
>All of this is problematic
Wish I could make this shit up.

>>49157620
SJWs
Let's see if you finally wake up to their rampant, ravenous bullshit now that they're hating on a beloved fantasy race and most probably will get it blacklisted from future WotC products.

>>49157682
>It's not powercreep, the that ability is more powerful than the haters are acting.
What did he mean?

>>49157682
>the ability is more powerful than the haters are acting

please refer to my post over here >>49157273
there's just too much that can go wrong with the demon. The ability is good, but it takes a lot to get going.

>>49156496
Could the Izzet one revitalize storm? Maybe see playing in Thing Ascension?

>>49157760
meant to write "but that ability..."
The reanimate ability is quite strong, and it's what makes the new demon potentially a standard consideration.

It's actually a very different card to Massacre Worm, other than both being limited bombs.

>>49155978
Splendid reclamation, eldritch evolution, Lilliana, grim flayer, collective brutality, and selfless spirit are all seeing some eternal play, and that's just emn

>>49157797
>there's just too much that can go wrong with the demon. The ability is good, but it takes a lot to get going.
We don't know how easy or difficult it is to generate energy yet. Might be that the deck he fits into *wants* to sacrifice its entire field.

He's a weird combination of Chainer and Massacre Wurm, that's good company to be in. To my knowledge, the only other creature in the game with "pay 3: reanimate target creature" was Coffin Queen and they both had drawbacks comparable to "ETBs tapped"

>>49157797
see my post >>49156956

the cards aren't even that similar.
Wurm is just a straight forward beatstick, it hurts your opponent board, and deals some damage. You can stick it in basically any deck and it's fine.

The new demon requires more interaction, but can reward interaction more. It combines with other energy cards, it's reanimation ability can combine with other cards. But it's not good in a deck with a bunch of low toughness creatures.

The demon is good, it's a limited bomb, and depending on the other cards in set could be a constructed playable.

>>49157682
Massacre Wurm deals 2 to the face for each creature. It can literally end the game on the spot against a token deck.

Shady Demon is not bad, but it also fucks up your own creatures and it costs a lot to reanimate. By the look of things, 4 energies is quite an investment. The more interesting thing about it is that you can use the energy he generates for other stuff.

>>49157906
>By the look of things, 4 energies is quite an investment
From what I've seen, it's not. Something like 1 mana = 2 energy, spread across multiple cards

The only thing i want spoiled is a meld of vehicles turning into a mecha

>>49158036
Not until Return to Kaladesh.

>>49157940
The problem is that it is not an easy conversion like that. You need to play 2 more cards to get 4 energies unless you play a heavy generator like the puzzleknot. So far, no cards can generate energies fast.

>>49158210
I bet Green will have a 1/2 for 1G that can tap for an energy.

>>49157869
if you read my previous post, you'll notice i said assuming the demon is the only energy producer. which is how you should evaluate the card, especially when comparing it to massacre wurm.

>>49157877
>you can stick it in basically any deck and it's fine
>the new demon requires interaction
so a card that is good on it's own next to a card the requires a bunch energy producers? I mean it's definitely a limited bomb, i would def agree there. For limited you compare it against the other cards in the set, and you WILL be running more energy producers. and again, I'm evaluating this on the premise that it will be the only energy producer you have. And with that it's way too slow. i don't give a shit about standard, don't talk to me about that shit

>>49158036
I just want Speed Racer and Mad Max to be planeswalkers.

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>>49156425
>>49156431
>We don't think that registered and trademarked property of Blizzard's™ looks any thing like our Shady Deal Semen Demon.
>Really
The shilling is real

>>49158233
your missing an important point, while the Wurm is always very good, it tops out at very good.
and while the demon only starts out as pretty good, but can go up to great.
>I'm evaluating this on the premise that it will be the only energy producer you have.
>ignoring standard
well then you're being kinda silly, it's not like Wurm is good enough for modern or legacy.
And in a constructed deck you'd be more able to assure that you have energy cards and reanimate targets than in limited.

>>49158337
>Blizzard made a demon with 2 swords
>therefor Blizzard owns the copyright the very concept of a demon with two swords.
Do you go to the Kirby GW school of copyright claims?

>>49158337
Yeah, the shilling is pretty real if you think that Blizzards has any rights over a generic dual wielding demon.

When will they spoiler the good counterspell?

Literally a single borderline-playable control card has been spoiled so far, everything else is either EDH-bait or limited fodder.

>>49155345
This.
Also, the swamp land art is very unsinister and pretty for a swamp. Kaladesh has been mostly positive vibes. Probably because the Gatewatch want to unrape their minds with some podracing and robot fennecs.

>>49158804

Hopefully never, just to piss off autists who only care about control.

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>>49158410
>>49158508

>>49152673
Theyy REALLY don't look anything alike. Seriously. Please don't post any more pictures of that obvious flim flammery jammery

>>49156164
>using the super witty and original bingo board of totally-not strawmanning

>>49157570
Not that anon, but that's not an argument.
And while I may not be sensing enough SJW vibes from that anon to want to bother arguing, I'll instead help you argue with the dork instead by playing advocate.
LGBT characters suddely appearing for no apparent reason other than trying to be hip with progressives and signal to them they are not "bigots". If WotC wanted to look more caring, they would try to make it appropriate to the character, setting, and plot. Of course, it's too soon to find out if they will be creative rather than lazy.
Well, that's all the damn I give today. G'night.

>>49156968

That was a troll post right?

Cause I've not seen anything actually from WotC about them being "non-binary special snowflakes".

Gonti, LORD of Luxury, is certainly using male terms.

Also doesn't everyone use they and them?

>>49152794
what did make kamigawa bad? besides it being weeaboo bait, I mean.

>>49159339
Low power level and parasitism

>>49159339
98% of people not liking/getting the flavor of most cards and concepts of the world.

>>49159339
I think it was being pretty low in power level after they just got done with Mirrodin which almost broke the game and the flavor was confusing for people.

>>49159194

I'm not really sure what you mean by "try to make it appropriate to the character, setting, and plot." People's sexuality is a fucking character trait. I don't see why between "elf that's left-handed," "elf that can communicate with plants despite plants not having brains," "elf that's blind but can still navigate their surroundings perfectly with other senses," and "elf sleeping with another elf of the same gender", the last elf somehow needs that trait "explained" in a way the other three elves do not.

Not to mention /tg/ gets extremely annoyed when attention IS paid to a character's sexuality so it kinda sounds like a morton's fork where if a character is just gay then that's "not appropriate to the character/setting" and if the character is gay and this is elaborated on at length, it's preachy. There is no right answer; complaining will happen regardless.

>it's another unimaginative set with a terrible and boring mechanic episode

MtG is real fucking garbage. How do you fags eat this shit up?

>>49159339
It had a stupidly low power level and most cards were unusable outside of the set. Tarkir was as much as a weeaboo bait as kamigawa, but it's cards aren't shit and a lot of cards can easily be put into modern, so in the end, no one actually cares about the art.

>>49159516
>Tarkir is weeaboo bait
Do you know what weeaboo means?

>>49159516

Tarkir is Asian, yes, but not Weeb at all.

>>49159505
>Unimaginative set
I don't really know what you were expecting, it was pretty clear what Kaladesh was about with the teasers.

>boring mechanic
fabricate and energy are shit, but vehicle actually makes up for a versatile equipment.

>>49159516
>>49159575
>>49159620
Honestly I think he knew what he meant but even then. It wasn't really very asian imo. Some stuff had some asian inspired but it wasn't very heavy handed for better or worse. If we weren't told it would have been relatively subtle. I think most blatant are the Jeskai and the Mardu, and the Mardu aren't the kind of obvious asian most people go crazy over.

enemy fast lands
thank you based wizards

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>>49157134
WHY ARE NONE OF THESE GIANT ARTIFACT CREATURE VEHICLES!!??

DID THEY NOT GET THE MEMO THAT CHICKS DIG GIANT ROBOTS?

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CANCEL THE APOCALTHEYPSE AND FIGHT THE ELDRAZI WITHOUT MY GIANT ROBOTS PILOTED BY A GROUP OF GOBLINS WITH ATTITUDE

>>49155725
Nihil novi sub soli, faggot.

>>49152794
Most energy-related cards produce energy themselves. Things like >>49152673 would have been okay on their own.

Gaining E is also worth like a quarter of a colorless mana, based on >>49152658. Could've been much, much worse.

>>49154454
>Krark-Clan Ironworks with a sign outside saying The Farm.

>>49156350
Illidan's wings aren't red.

Illidan isn't even a real demon either.

Also his weapons are double-bladed.

>>49160341
Isn't the point of citing that quote that it was said by a man who lived before computers, motor vehicles, airplanes, refrigeration and shit were invented?

>>49160462
>computers
Antikythera mechanism.
>motor vehicles
The basic principle is using heat to turn a wheel, which is old.
>airplanes
Powered birds.
>refrigeration
They knew how to keep shit cold.

>>49150456
That would be uncommon.

>>49160486
>The basic principle is using heat to turn a wheel, which is old.
Not really.
>Powered birds.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>49155105
>Designated shitting mountain
>Designated shitting plains
>Designated shitting forest
>Designated shitting swamp
>Designated shitting island

>>49152794
I hate it when idiots lash onto a word. Why didn't you stop doing that shit when you started attending middle school, mate?

>>49160533
>>49160533

New thread (this one will reach bump limit soon)

>>49156235
Fuck.

Yes.

>>49156839
Since when life is the more relevant resource.

>>49156235

>Botanical Sanctum
>Blooming Marsh
>Concealed Courtyard

I see the general rule of duel-lands being euphemisms for female genitalia still holds true.

>>49158388
He's not missing the point. The wurm tops out at instantaneously game winning, the demon tops out at strong value engine. Which is another reason the wurm is much better you want your six drops to win the game, not just provide possible card advantage on turn seven.

>>49159478
Well, left handedness still make some people pretty angry. Literally saw one guy throw a shit fit in a music shop because the guitar he was trying out was left handed and he didn't like that at all.

Also, /tg/ (and the rest of 4chan) is being ultra conservative right now because at its core, it's all about being a contrarian. Plus Stormfronter invasion.

>>49155587
It can come in as an 8/8 trampler for 5, or shove the +1/+1 counters on other creatures and flicker it.

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>>49156559
This doesn't work on a creatures own ETB effect, does it?

>>49161779

Yes it does.

>>49156795
Spoken like someone who never actually played the fucking card

Massacre Wurm straight kills people, it's so much better than the demon that it's not even funny. This demon is more EDH bait than Wurm ever was.

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>>49157620
Telling manlets they are manlets is problematic! Facts are problematic!

>>49155288
Yes anon he is dead. They only live for six months to a year max.

>>49155105
Duel lands that let you spend an energy counter to make it tap for both.

>>49148497
Why are people going crazy over the Gearhulk anyway? It's not very good outside of limited.

>>49162208
>Facts are problematic!
Were you living under the rock for past decade or so?

>>49162318
Yes. I didn't even know a hurricane swept through until a day after it was gone.

>>49157712
What shitty hole did you fimd? I've just seen a metric butt-tonne of excitement for dwarves.