Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>49050107
First to mourn Forrest's passing.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16cNZwfDnx6NX3RRpatFtSteWqbfCIFp7E4Lr5yvh32Y/edit?usp=sharing

Ok, did some dicking about with Kitsune Tails. Trying to make them worth taking long term without making them utterly dominating early on.

It's a first draft and feedback is highly appreciated.

>>49050142
Second to mourn Forrest's passing.

>>49049946
>>49050074
Honestly that actually sounds great. Did some digging and then added another age table.

>>49050075
Less so, but yes. Yes.

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>>49049839

Ooh, what if I make a former knight of Choral the Conqueror that has risen from his slumber to set things right in the Kingdom of Brevoy?

>>49050107
Stop.

I hope Forrest will still be around unofficially.

On a side note did anybody else notice that an ethumion is not only a perfect mobile food source for the new kitsune but also vamps?

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>>49050190

>Did some digging and then added another age table.

It is now possible for a 900-year-old, venerable kitsune with eight iterations of Magical Tail to have a grand total of *18* tails.

With an external method of agelessness, such as certain high-level class talents or Sun Orchid Elixir, one could have a thousands-year-old kitsune with a truly prodigious amount of tails.

How do VMC work?

If I VMC Cleric, can I get Inquisition instead of a Domain?

If I'm a Witch/Bard/Oracle with Channel Energy, can I use Cavalier (Order of the Star) VMC to get a better channel progression?

>>49050283
Ah, whoops. Didn't mean for them to infinitely grow tails, sorry. Also, adjusted the stuff for huli jing or timeless people to not stop growing their extra tails.

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>>49050414
>for a maximum of 17 tails, if they took Magical Tail eight times

Holy shit, 17 tails. Will some other DSPer step up to fix Magical Tail?

>>49050414

That's good-we were on the verge of something equal parts silly and terrifying.

>>49050470
Trapped in an ever-expanding ball of fluff. Truly a fate worse than death.

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>>49050414

While you are at this, what of my concern regarding fox size in >>49035698 and swans in >> >>49018709?

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>>49050283
>>49050414

>>49050486
I hope you're gonna be okay and that whatever stuff is up smooths out soon, and that things go well, Forrest. No idea what's up, but you've got this shit. It will be alright, and there's people around if it isn't.

I like that there are cute anime girls with cute animal ears here.

>>49050487
Fox size is an oversight. I've adjusted the wording. Also adjusted it for the aging stuff, since having 9 tails feels iconic.

For swans, I recognize that, but the swan tengu were written based on the modern swan mythology more than anything else, being effectively elegant dire geese.

Scrub here.

I was looking for some of the archetypes in Horror Adventures but I don't see them on d20pfsrd. Is this just because nobody's put it up there or because it's not considered "free" or whatever. Not really sure how Paizo handles that.

On a related note, anybody have the Horror Adventures PDF?

>>49050597
The fuck is "modern swan mythology"?

>>49050580

Really? Because I prefer the large breasts.

>>49050610
Horror Adventures is in the top post. The d20pfsrd is like 2 people so they don't update quickly.

>>49050564
Thanks, that means a lot, even from an anonymous person on the internet. For people who were wondering or worrying: I'm fine, nothing's particularly wrong, there's no need to worry. I'll still exist and probably be around to post on forums and in threads here.

There's just some personal stuff that will keep me from being able to write things for DSP in the forseeable future.

>>49050614
The words my tired brain substituted for "urban legends and 'common knowledge' about swans."

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>>49050580
Ironically, the new kitsune doesn't let you be a kitsunemimi.

The dream is ruined ;_;

>>49050669
>Because of telltale foxlike features (such as a poorly concealed tail or sharp fangs), a kitsune with this racial trait only gains a +5 bonus on Disguise checks to appear fully human when in their human form.

We are leaving it up to the player.

>>49050640
Does this mean you might come back to the IRC? Problems have been getting taken care of, and people miss you.

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>>49050107
>Forrest taking an extended leave from DSP
>Session got canned early and might get retconned, despite the fact that it was almost shaping up to be one of the best sessions so far
>had to say goodbye to my nephew and niece again, and have no idea when I'll get to see them again

Can today just end already, before something else happens?

So guys

I want to make goblinoids cool. What ideas should I look into?

A caste system of goblinoids?

>Goblins are serfs, peasants, and farmers
>Hobgoblins are warriors and soldiers
>Bugbears are spiritual leaders, knights, etc.

Where do other "monster" races fit in here? Could orcs be in the same class as Hobgoblins, Gnolls as an "outsider" caste? What have YOU done to change up the typical cannon fodder mooks in your games?

>>49050749

Sucks bro, sucks real hard.

>>49050689
Is it okay if I send you a kitsune girl/boy dakimakura?

>>49050640
Swans man.

They're freaking vicious.

Nearly had one try to peck my leg off when I was 15.

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>>49050749

Don't feel bad, anon. It's not goodbye, and hey, maybe once people have had a chance to talk and realize that there's nothing to worry about, the game will pick right back up where it was. And think of it this way-if you don't know when you'll see them next, then you'll always see them sooner than you expect.

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What is the best AP to run if I want to enjoy the sweet embrace of death?

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>Party gets seperated because the monk decided to start a fight with 500 soldiers.
>Barbarian SOMEHOW got a dragon mount
>3 Dread Wraiths find me (A cleric), the barbarian and the dragon
>Knowledge religion
>Fuck this shit
>we take off on the dragon, running, due to it being afraid of being shot down due to nearby town
>Fuck
>Kill 2 with holy smite and lucky hits, but one gets 2 attacks off taking down our con
>I know im going to die, theres no doubt about it
>Use my last act to cast heroic aura on the barbarian
>After I waste away, she gets the last hit and destroys the monster

Im going to miss my cleric.

>>49050190
>>49050414
Kitsune should have a number of tails equal to the highest level of spells they can cast.

That and NPC kitsune gain one level in a spellcasting class for every 50 years they're alive.

>>49050957
Local Police Station

>>49050975
I like that, I made a Kitsune that just died, see >>49050974
but my DM liked the deity i picked which had a symbol of 9 pointed swords so they gave me 9 tails, which was neat too.

I don't know what the most ridiculous character concept you folk have come up with has been, but I'm currently running a Half-Orc Paladin/Alchemist Gestalt, and the DM gave each of us a magic item.

I got a ring that gives me immunity to fire, so I'm going to learn to develop a trigger and rig myself up to Jihad my opponents with several bombs. I'm excited.

>>49051038

I'm planning on a Hobgoblin Warpriest that wants to take control of Numeria and use the technology to build Not!The Holy Roman Empire but for goblinoids.

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When are we getting a kitsune foxfire kineticist archetype, EhnJolly?

Maybe a kitsune foxfire warlock vigilante? Kitsune work well as vigilantes...

>>49050975
The DM decides what friggin' level NPCs are anyway.

>>49051066
What a fantastic plan.

I also have a 3rd edition Fighter/Sorcorer who only wants knowledge. He also is NE, so will gain this knowledge through whatever means, up to and including eating a Lich's heart whole, if given the opportunity.

But the Half-Orc may turn out more fun.

>>49051074
I'm still wondering what to throw in my new junk, but much like EZG, I don't like racial archetypes.

The best chance of that happening is me getting on a project that involves kitsune, which is pretty damn unlikely.

I want to run a thievesy guild game, what are some good adventures about criminal underdogs? What are some good ways for getting the group together?

>>49051101
Write an archetype themed around foxfire and illusions that can be taken by anyone, obviously.

>>49050975
Do this please. Tails should be a mark of threat level, not just of age.

If a low-level group runs into a kitsune with nine tails, they should realise it's at least a 17th-level wizard and panic appropriately.

>>49051117
That's honestly more likely. Maybe it'll make it into KOP as some kind of light/fire fusion archetype.

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>>49050974
>>49051016
Why were you playing a pure caster cleric, much less a kitsune cleric?

>>49051130
>Only spellcaster kitsune get more tails

Nah

>>49051130
>>49050975

That's honestly something that feels needlessly restricting of concepts. I think that'd make a decent setting houserule, but it's not something we're going to codify in Bloodforge.

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Why is /pfg/ actually /kitsune general/ lately?

>>49051148
>Level 1 kitsune commoner has nine tails and -6 Str/Dex/Con.

>>49051184
FORREST DID IT.

He and his weebs should go and stay go.

>>49051184
They have wanted to [touch fluffy tail] for a long time, it is only now focused to a razor's edge of degeneracy.

>>49051184
People really like their furries. They won't admit to it, but look at this thread.

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>>49051074
>kitsune foxfire warlock vigilante

Funny story on that, actually... I was debating if the vigilante archetype homebrew I have as a WIP should stack with the Warlock or not.

>>49051212
I didn't say it should just be age either you fuckstick.

>>49051228
It's not even furries.

Its ferocious weebs who like to pretend their 'humans with ears' waifus are in any way interesting, using 'muh mythology' as an excuse.

I'd be happier with furries.

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>>49051228
ok

>>49051258
You want an army of fat guys RPing as sexy cat girls with tragic backstories, you go right ahead. I'm happier with shitty Kitsune.

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>>49051153

>Sworn Secrecy (Ex): A zenko cannot be magically forced to reveal the details of a message or duty they have received with their celestial messenger ability, even if an effect would normally cause them to do so. This ability even protects against compulsion or dominate effects, allowing the zenko to ignore orders to reveal the secrets in question. This racial trait replaces agile.

This almost certainly does not seem as valuable as agile, given that Acrobatics is a good skill. Perhaps a +1 bonus to Will saving throws against charms and compulsions (if not mind-affecting effects altogether) would not be out of line?

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>>49051276
Oh yeah, cuz fat guys rping as sexy foxgirls with tragic backstories is so much better.

>>49051310
Fair point.

>>49051302
Yeah, that seems fair. Zenko lost a bit more than the others anyway for their plot coupon ability.

>>49051143
Was not a pure caster, but was about the only thing I could think of at the time on the back of a dragon, and I just wanted something out of the norm, it was fun as hell while it lasted.

>>49051325
Go away, Demose.

>>49051143
That's a big tail.

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>player asks for a sexy kitsune sorceress cohort
>give player exactly what they asked for
>never mention that she's actually a huli jing kitsune

Is this too cruel?

>>49051221
Don't be an asshole, anon.

>>49051310
... welp...
that mental image is permanently burnt in.

thanks 4chan, you've utterly destroyed both catgirls and foxgirls for me

>>49051771
>huli jing
That tells me nothing

>>49051842
Kitsune that eats your con with an intimate act.

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>>49051842
The best new race for your kitsune foxgirl waifu (male)!

>>49051842
see last link of >>49050107

>>49051808
If I'm the one to do that to you, then welcome to the internet bro.

>>49051901
Would you shut up about that (male) bullshit?

I know I'm reposting this, but am I capable of taking the Multiattack feat as a druid? My GM argues that I can't, and wants a direct source from the rules. He argues that I don't have three natural attacks all the time, so I can't take it.

>>49051987
>Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat. A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.

>A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/feats.html

You can have a feat even if you can't use it all the time.

>>49051987
There isn't a hard ruling.

By RAW, you can't take it.

What people often talk about RE: 24 hours is extrapolation from belts of +stat, where it counts for prerequisites after 24 hours. Even going by this (Admittedly houserule), you wouldn't be able to qualify since Wildshape doesn't last long enough.

Even though >>49052038 is right and you can HAVE feats you no longer qualify for, and they deactivate until you qualify again, RAW there's still the issue of getting them in the first place.

>>49052079
>>49052038
What a shame. Now arises the question, how do I permanently gain three natural attacks as a race with none?

>>49050788
Orcs are orcs, goblinoids only include goblins, hobgoblins, and bugbears. Bugbears are naturally leaders among goblinoids and goblins and hobgoblins vie for minor leadership roles. Since they are chaotic evil entities a caste system might seem counter intuitive to their nature. They organize but never exceptionally well.

>>49051153
>>49051148
>>49051212
I like it as a houserule, but mostly because I feel it would tie into the needlessly complex and obnoxiously convoluted trickster spirit rules for interesting plots.
It's like differentiating cleric level and ecclesiastical rank, except the rules are there as suggestions and everyone is cheating as hard as possible.
After all, it's a society of shapeshifting rogues. The only serious crime is being caught and not getting out of it with style.

>>49052161
Hobgoblins are LE, Bugbears are NE, orcs and gobbos are CE.
I could see sticking them as client states under hobgoblin notrome, but I'd rather just give them their own deal.
Share out your cannonfodderness among playables and nonplayables evenly, or as called for by the story, then equally reward bypassing trouble as well as murdering your way through it.

>>49051258
I do like huldras, but the kitsune stuff is kind of in overdrive lately.

>>49052152
DSP has a weapon enchant that gives combat feats, use that to stick multiattack on an amulet of mighty fist.

>>49052464
You mean like the Training enchantment from Inner Sea Intrigue?

>>49052464
I'm pretty sure Training's a 1pp quality, dude.

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>>49052358
The rest of bloodforge II is
>Incarnum specific bird/batmen and snakemen, and actually only variants of those
>A bunch of feathery gits
>Living armor
>Crystal Gems
>Some kinda psionic half harpy (so 1/4 bird???)
>Two waifu races we've known about and seen for months already

It's really the only thing with an actual mythology to argue about.
My suggestions for stuff to add
>Feat chain to let coreids partially or fully discorporate (either to squeeze into anywhere their core could fit or turn their finger into POCKET SAND)
>Bizarre style feat to let astreidi activate spell trigger items inside their armor, since they're mostly hollow
>Advanced talents for the deciever rogue, and possible fluff that it flattens out your facial features like pic related
>Something that actually makes me give half a shit about entoli

>>49052502
Coreids and the living armors are neat as fuck though.

>>49052493
>>49052497
It's one am, I'm not feeling great, my campaigns pretty much view DSP as first party so things get strange, and my brain is barely working for other reasons. I fucked up, sorry.

>>49051744
For you.

>>49052535
No problem senpai, it's late and we understand.

>>49052574
And now to be paranoid about if you're one of my friends (they actually call me that, through not fault of my own).

>>49052526
But the background is "They just kind of pop up and explore", where the foxes have the potential for a whole society behind them.

I suggest pitching concepts for example characters.
Kororath Daevic specc'd for silly grappling, with a magic amulet that summons cubes of freezing cold water so he can abuse his swim speed and breathholding, wearing a mask based on his Leopard Seal totem

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Hey all, who's ready for the second round of the Legendary Vigilantes playtest, the crimson edition! I'm going to say it'll be open for 3-4 weeks, but at the moment, that's the time frame for this.

Remember, you can comment on the doc, this should include all of the content you'll need for the Warlock. And remember, only YOU can be a hero!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hrk1hl8uXVHazaiPOCvWsFUHX3PB6fQVd13tzguJTgE/edit?usp=sharing

>>49052649
What's a Kororath?

>>49051808
Good.

>>49052874
Read through the bloodforge: infusions playtest.

>>49050107
>our beloved princess, Forrest
BACKUP princess!

>>49050107
Goodnight, sweet princess. ;_;

Arcane trickster is still tier 1 right? Is it worth playing one? Stright Wizard is probably stronger but I feel like Arcane Trickster would be more fun as a concept.

>>49053702
2 or 3, if only because you have to play a bad class to get the sneak attack needed.

>>49053702
Unchained Rogue 1/Wizard 3/Arcane Trickster X with Magical Knack and Accomplished Sneak Attacker is pretty decent.

>>49053713
>>49053721
>>49053702

You can enter Arcane Trickster as a straight wizard with VMC

>>49053815
It's not like wizards need their feats anyway.

>>49053815
At what? level 12?

>>49053886
At 8. Accomplished Sneak Attacker, yo.

>>49053815
One level of Rogue is worth the early entry desu familia.

>>49053909
10. You need sneak attack to grab that, you don't get sneak attack until level 7. You gave up your seventh level feats so you have to wait until level 9 to take the feat, then level 10 is when you actually meet all the pre-reqs.

>>49053928
You could retrain an earlier feat once you hit level 7, so at 8 you could take your first level.

>Wizard 10/Eldritch Knight 10 is possible
>Wizard 10/Arcane Trickster 10 is possible
>The class that benefited the most from VMC is wizard

>>49050186

Magical Tail was fine. Spell Like Abilities for feats is a great trade.

>>49054181
Which VMC gets you proficiency in all martial weapons?

>>49054316
Magical Tail is shit. None of the SLAs you get are worth a feat at the level you need to get them. Magical Tail being good is a shit meme.

>>49054415
Yeah, but if you're already on a good class it can still be fun.

>>49054415
Depends on what you are doing. Those SLAs are invaluable to a vigilante, rogue, or bounty hunting slayer.

But it's too hard for people like you to understand there might be more to a game than 'optimization'.

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>>49054343
Oracle with the "Skill at Arms" revelation from the "Battle" mystery.

>>49054343
None.

>>49053702
Wait, Arcane trickster is good? I thought it was fairly bad, but I haven't looked at it much myself.

>>49054503
Normally it's pretty bad because you have to give up caster levels to qualify. If you can get into it without doing that(like >>49053815), it's great.

>>49054500
>Skill at Arms (Ex): You gain proficiency in all martial weapons and heavy armor.

>>49053815
>VMC
That's variant multiclassing, right?
Do wizards not need feats? I've actually never played one.
I've never even played a prepared caster/seen one played correctly

>>49054431
It's too hard for people like you to understand that optimization isn't exclusive to any other part of the game.

There's better feat options for vigilantes, rogues, and bounty hunting slayers than magical fucking tail, too. Especially when you consider how many you have to burn on it to get even Invisibility.

Seriously, they're almost all 4th level or lower. Get UMD ranks and a Wand for fuck's sake.

>>49054547
>>49054436
I stand corrected.

Oracle is terrible VMC though (most are, so that's not surprising).

>>49054563
Feats are nice, but anything they could get from feats is overshadowed by the fact that they are WIZARD, MASTER OF THE COSMOS

>>49054503
It's not that it's bad, it's that it's worse than being a straight wizard. Losing 3 spellcaster levels can still net you 9th level spells, though it hurts in actual gameplay.

Is there any place where I can find anthro kitsune art without being too out of place or outright trash?

>>49054563
One crafting feat(besides scribe scroll) if your GM allows you downtime, then a spell focus(+maybe the greater variant) in your favoured school (optional unless you rely on saves or need it for other feats), and at high levels (greater) spell penetration or augment/superior summoning. That's pretty much all you really need. Anything else is just gravy.

>>49054607
depends on what your group is okay with and why it would be out of place

>>49054566
>get this unreliable ability that requires you to speak command words in a clear voice and has a incredibly restricted CL rather than a SLA that you use at character level and need only concentrate to use.
Like I said, you really have no clue how to optimize for the game that is being run as opposed to trying to win D&D.

>>49054607
Gelbooru.

>>49054620
Standard Fantasy Sink setting. Preferably no booby.

>>49054607
I would actually recommend looking through FurAffinity. There's some good artists on there, and mature stuff is disabled unless you actually have an account.

>>49054643
Furaffinity or pixiv (searching 'kemono') with safe search on.

>>49054641
Except don't look here with people around, even if you are using rating:safe or -rating:explicit.
It has a redirect ad to another site of theirs with smut reading.

>>49050107
so why should i play pathfinder over dnd?

>>49054630
>Unreliable
>Get +19 modifier and you never have to roll
>Command word in a clear voice
>SLAs require concentration checks like spells do, making them fuck up more often than Silence effects happen
>Incredibly restricted CL
>Half the Magical Tail SLAs don't need a high CL, and the ones that do are a low enough level that it's inexpensive to buy a wand at that point

That also isn't what you said in your first post, at all.

Are goal posts heavy? I hope you're getting some sick gains, moving them all over the place like that.

It's okay if you're upset that you bought into the magical tail meme. It's easy to fall for it, then 8 of your 11 feats later you realize it was all a mistake.

>>49054673
Over 3.5? Some nice streamlining, a number of classes are much better.

Over 4/5e? The amount of content.

Aside from that, personal taste.

>>49053815
>>49053886
>>49054545
>>49054563
>>49054570
You might need GM fiat to do that. Don't forget that Unchained discourage using VMC with multiclass (PrC count as multiclass).

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Question for those still awake; while the Dragon Champion from the original playtest is still going to be in a different book, would you hate having it included in this playtest to just get a better look at it now, with the assumption that it'll hopefully be in the Dragon book playtest I hope to run?

>Pic related, dragon waifu

>>49054577
You only lost 1 now with Accomplished Sneak Attacker.

URogue 1 / Diviner 9 / Arcane Trickster 10 is pretty good.

>>49054673
If your group uses 3.5, use 3.5. If your group uses PF, use PF. PF has some improvements(like polymorph rules that aren't horrifically broken), but overall it's more of a sidegrade than an actual improvement, and if you're looking for actual improvements, you'll need to mix and match the two games. For other editions, if you prefer them to 3.5, you'll prefer them to PF.

>>49054673
Nothing. The only reason I'm still in these thread is because I love you guys, /blush

My table already move onto 5e.

>>49054681
5e has lots of homebrew content. And it's more balance than 3.pf core.

>>49054660
Thanks senpai. I'll give it a shot.

>>49054694
Yep!

Corrin a shit though. WHERE'S HECTOR, SAKURAI?!

>>49054706
Personally I don't like arbitrary restriction of characters to a max level. The epic level rules for PF work much better than those of 3.5, with a few feats to allow for increasing of DCs and attack/save bonuses.

>>49054706
5e doesn't even have crafting.

>>49054694
> Dragon Waifu
> Post a pale Elf

>>49054718
>>49054694
Wait.

"Would you hate"

What kinda fucking phrasing is that, put it in there you assbandit.

>>49054734
Epic rules, you say?

>>49054754
So I'm going to assume you DO want it included? I know some people said they don't want it tied to drakes, but I might make 2 versions, one of which being my 'make drakes playable' attempt.

>>49054746
Look sometimes dragon waifus are also pale elves. I don't control nature, I just main her in Smash.

>>49054734
>The epic level rules for PF
You mean the ones that are pretty much one-paragraph afterthought along the lines of "you're not supposed to, but if the campaign isn't finished when you get to level 20, you could maybe extrapolate from the tables to continue progressing the game for another level or two"?

>>49054770
Yes.

What you could do is just have two separate but compatible archetypes. Or have the drake be gotten via vigilante talents of the other one.

>>49054864
I was thinking about doing that, I might try that, but I'll mess around with it more tomorrow, once I'm alive again.

>>49054770
She's more like a freaky horse than a dragon.

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>>49052707
>Symbiotic Slayer
>Basically an (Ex) Aegis
>mfw
This is magical (but not really), thank you Jolly-senpai!

In hopes of better replies, I'll ask again.
How much should be the average damage of a 8th level monk? I'll be the secondary martial

>>49052279
This is mostly ignoring the alignment section of the bestiary entry.

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>>49050788
Read the Legacy of Dhakaan trilogy.

It covers the goblin kingdoms in the Eberron campaign setting.

>>49054675
I can see that you're somewhat dense, so I'll explain what I said.

In a vigilante game, a kitsune takign Extra Tails is better off than one learnign to use a wand, because the SLAs that they gain benefit them more than UMD and Wands can possibly do so. The concentration check that an SLA may require is less important than being able to use the abilities you gain from the Magical Tale feats without requiring any extra effort or saying anything aloud (which is a requirement for using the command word on a wand). Since most vigilante talents give you free feats and upgrades as you progress in level, you need less feats than you would for most other character classes, making magical tail a useful feat for a kitsune vigilante, despite being a sub-optimal feat in other situations. An otherwise non-magic using kitsune vigilante having access to disguise self, charm person, misdirection, and invisibility as SLA makes them useful for that instance, despite how they would not normally be so useful for other classes in other situations.

Useful feats for a game or campaign you are playing in are still useful and on occasion even optimal feats, even when they are not optimal for other builds and situations outside that game or campaign.

Your outright dismissal of the feat as "never useful" is sadly characteristic of the optimizing faggotry on /tg/ that cannot and will not take into account actual play use of those feats and skills.

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>>49055634
>

Not that guy, but UMD is more versatile than Magical Tail. It's better in the long run.

>>49054760
>>49054786
Yes. They're in the core book. It takes work, but so does everything else in every game system, because there aren't any perfect ones. Extrapolation of the Weapon focus/specialization/Iron Will/Great Fortitude/Lightning Reflexes helps maintain the save bonuss, while to give characters spells past 9th level, use of the wordcasting System from Ultimate magic prevents insanty like the epic spells from 3.5 had while giving casters something more to do. I've also toyed around with using Mythic feats in place of non-caster feats after 20th level, simply tacking on mythic levels for noncasters in addition to their post-20th levels.

Basically, allowing characters the opportunity to play with truly horrific monsters like Ancalagon the Black and other things behind the Bestiaries is better than "oh, you're 20th/30th level, you have to start over now, there's nothing more past this point."

If there weren't, how did gods and daemon princes and the King in Yellow happen? Such is my admittedly self-involved reasoning.

>>49055646
>saying that as if UMD can't also be taken.
It's a skill, anyone can learn it. Not everyone can gain two free uses of Change Self per day without using any vocal components as a martial type character in a class where it can actually be incredibly useful such as vigilante.

>>49055696
Yeah, sure, but
>the SLAs that they gain benefit them more than UMD and Wands can possibly do so
Is wrong, though.

>>49055684
So...NOT the epic rules that are in the CRB, but your homebrew ones, then.

>>49055708
................what part of "SLA being silent, still, and innate magic" being better than "carrying items that you have to say things aloud and clearly to activate" while trying not to attract attention makes UMD based wand use "better" for a vigilante kitsune, anon? Do you not understand the concept of 'situational viability mattering'?

If you can define a case where saying "Vanish" aloud in a clear voice after spending money to be able to do so is better than simply disappearing because you will it so , feel free.

My players will be hunting monsters in the modem day, how would I model a resistance to bullets mechanic beyond that of DR etc?

Also, what's a non-terrible gunslinger?

>>49056000
>My players will be hunting monsters in the modem day, how would I model a resistance to bullets mechanic beyond that of DR etc?

Start by throwing your pathfinder books out of the nearest window. Pathfinder is bad at anything but pseudo-medieval fantasy.

>>49054694
What playtest are you talking about?

>>49056016
>Pathfinder is bad at anything
FTFY

>>49056016
>>49056088
Granted, but this also isn't helping anything. They're meant to kicking ass and taking names but still have to work for it.

>>49056107
Play Hunter: the Vigil instead.

>>49056107
>>49056138
Gurps Monster Hunters is also a system designed for this, but with a somewhat "pulp" feel. Its sort of "Blade" or "Buffy".

I hate to be the guy who asks this question, but is the trove that is linked in the header well maintained (as in regular updates)? I really can`t wait to get my hands on this months releases.

>>49056138
>>49056163
Unfortunately PF is the agreed upon system, my friend is the usual GM, I'm just running a marathon one-shot.

>>49056247
Sucks to be you.

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>>49056166
Hi /pfg/
I'm about to commit GM suicide and use Ultimate Campaign for overworld travel and mass combat.

What are the best mapping tools for Hexmaps?
any other tools to make this easier?
Pic related

>>49055904
When you need to do it more than twice a day? When you can spend your money instead of your feats on it?
When you're smart enough to transform or go invisible in a place where it won't attract notice?

>>49056247
design a "firearm" AC instead of touch AC, with modern armor, some kinds of natural AC and some kinds of magical AC adding to firearm AC that don't normally add to touch AC.

You could also have some creatures with rules like "takes half damage from piercing" instead of DR. Very suitable for things like zombies, vampires, big creatures like the sasquatch etc.

Can a wizard inside a black hole?

>>49056390

No.

Those are the designated shitting streets for the Dominion.

>>49056390
Survive*

>>49050107
So if Forrest's quitting, who's going to be doing PoW 1's errata?

>>49056587
The rest of the DSP staff, presumably.

Forrest made it clear that the PoW errata was still being worked on.

>>49056587
There is a difference between a leave of absence and quitting. Though probably not a relevant difference in the timeframe of the errata, sounds like (then again, with how long it seems to be taking...)

>>49052707
WONDERFUL 101 ARCHETYPE WHEN

Do Reach Trip builds stay relevant after lvl 11?

>>49056390
help I accidently a bag of holding

Reposting for more feedback! I'm working on a homebrew base class inspired by 3.5's Spellthief, called the Quintessence Thief. It's still fresh, still up for balance changes.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8KQZPyLqtJyjGkI-DE3BMZxHVNe98q-L5jxmYqYo-A/edit?usp=sharing

>>49056709
Given that there's been no stated return date, this is tantamount to "let's let ErrantX and Gareth shit on everything in PoW 1 and later projects."

Feels bad, man.

>>49057031
You're saying that like PoW 1 didn't desperately need errata.

>>49057086
It does, but I don't want it written by the people who created the problem in the first place.

>>49055634
You dense, retarded motherfucker. If you want a race woth SLAs, play a drow/half-drow. Take drow noble. Boom, you have SIX FUCKING AT WILL SLAS FOR THREE FEATS. VERSUS EIGHT 2/DAYS FOR EIGHT FEATS.

>b-but then you don't have-
No fuck off, the SLAs from magical tail aren't good enough to justify being a feat /each/.

>>49057209
Not the anon you're replying to, but what spells are worth a feat and what should be included in 'packages'? I've been pondering house rules about spells costing feats to learn. Either that or making general/combat feats as valuable as knowing all spells.

>>49057589
What I'd suggest, if you had to do that, would be to use feats to open up spell levels (take this feat for level 1 spells, etc) or classes (take this feat for necromancy), but certainly don't do one spell per feat.

Or you could just use spheres.

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>>49051038
Starting a Gestalt+Mythic campaign (???DM crazy) soon. I'm an Urban Barbarian/ Vivisectionist Beastmorph (Alchemist)

I'm trying to be THE FASTEST IN THE UNIVERSE
by cheesing dex as hard as possible and getting base land speed up on the side.

Mostly just cheesing dex real hard though.

>>49058972
True, opening spell levels could work. And I keep pushing spheres but my players refuse, since it "nerfs casters too hard". So fuck it, they can just deal with another kind of nerf.

>>49057209
Yes, because a drow (disregarding the overpowered noble drow) fits in everywhere, unlike a kitsune that has a human form which fits in everywhere.

Whiteroom theorycraft is theorycraft. Actually playing in a game is not the same, and thus can't be considered in the same light, which is my point.

>>49051038
I played a Spell Sage Wizard 3/Dervish Defender Warder 1 with like 27+ AC when properly buffed at level 4 (even more if he took the time to do ALL THE BUFFS) who used a quarterstaff as a double weapon to take AoOs whilst otherwise spending his turns casting spells.

He was strangled to death first session by an assassin vine. His CMD was not very impressive it turns out. I planned to have him use "Emblem of Greed" later on in life and use the style from weapon masters handbook that lets you use polearms as double weapons with it.

>>49059600
>Implying kitsune fit everywhere and aren't primarily a meme race just like drow
>Defending the garbage that is magical tail

The only time magical tail isn't going to be bad is maybe on that one oracle curse, or a fighter. Maybe. Probably not. You can still do it and have fun, and the vigilante can do well with it, but you are intentionally crippling yourself with a mediocre, expensive feat chain.

>Overpowered Drow Noble
That was me thinking of the wrong name. Drow Nobility is the name of the feat chain. Drow nobles are busted, but REGULAR drow (and half-drow, which would fit in better and can pretend to be a human at negligible cost) can take.

>muh whiteroom
This does not stop magical tail from being shit design. It can work in a real game, but people claim fighter "worked just fine for them" all the time.

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Okay, who here has actually used the Backstory generator from Ultimate Campaign? Is it any good, or is it trash?

Anybody have any idea when we can expect horror adventures as a pdf?

>>49059918
It was in the pdf share a while back ago. I cleaned my copy (mostly) but people beat me to uploading it.

>>49059963
Where could I find it then? I'm not seeing it in the trove.

>>49059918
>>49059963
https://www.sendspace.com/file/fxz5e9
From the pdf share thread.

>>49060008
Thanks, anon.

>>49059862
I've never used the output from it directly, but it's great at getting ideas going.

>>49052707
The Crimson Dreadnaught, as currently written, doesn't have the ability to sleep in heavy armor without fatigue. This is kind of a problem if they can't take it off without dying.

>>49059918
for future reference, it's a good idea to check the archives at warosu or 4plebs before you ask.

>>49059862
All I know of it is that at one point /pfg/ tried it and ended up with the most edgy harbinger I have ever seen.

>>49059862
I've tried to use it but it never really works for me.

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So because our party doesn't have any Rogues, our DM gave us a magic "Rogue Book" as a reward for going through what was essentially a Rogue dungeon (was going to have some reward for the party Rogue who I can only assume stopped showing up before I joined). Basically it allows you to take a class feature from the Rogue and switch it out with one of your own features from that level.

I'm playing a Sanctified Slayer right now and am debating on using it. I don't really feel like I need Track or Stern Gaze, so I thought I'd trade one of them out for another d6 to sneak or Evasion. If my DM allows us to use the Unchained's table though I'm definitely snagging Weapon Finesse.

Thoughts?

>>49060166
I was getting nothing but dead links and my computer is currently a piece of shit in need of replacement (turns out five years of cs education burns out important things like the cpu) so I needed the shortcut of you guys.

>>49060166
I'm new here. What are these archives of which you speak?

To actually contribute - was just fucking around OOC with a few of my party, one of them made their sentient pet rock say Pazuzu's name three times. For the hell of it, I made them roll a will save against possession.

They critfailed. The party now has a sentient rock, possessed by Pazuzu, that the Paladin usually carries around. This is going to be interesting.

Hey /tg/, is it important if you are travelling in golarion's underdark equivalent (I can never remember the name) and your party all wakes up as female drow for no apparent reason? We went to sleep in a cavern filled with wierd glowing crystals after some failed fortitude saves, and now we're all drow bitches, none of our gear fits and we have no idea what to do. THe dwarf is having an emotional breakdown and the elf had to be restrained to keep from committing seppuku.

>>49060742
Sounds like some magical realm shit.

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>>49060742
Congratulation. You entered.

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>it is the "CN means my character has excuse to not to care for the rest of the party members and act like a bitch to everyone" session

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>>49060742

>>49060800
>>49060805
>>49060835

Oh, we weren't all dudes, at least; the elf was already a girl, and so was my character (a half-orc bard) and the party cleric (human of Sarenrae).

It was just the dwarf wizard and the halfling probably-cannibal witch who were dudes before we went to sleep.

>>49060810
>"CN means my character has excuse to not to care for the rest of the party members and act like a bitch to everyone"
>Not using CN as an excuse to have the party be the ONLY thing your character cares about

It's like they don't want to Fight for Their Friends(tm) or something.

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>>49060810
>It's a "CN character gets himself into deep shit and nobody helps him because he has only himself to blame" session

>>49050107
Can't seem to find anything via google, so I'm here to ask you fine folks.

How would you build Zenyatta from Overwatch as a character? Preferably 12th level. A player of mine wants to play something like the robot, but I know almost nothing about it.

>>49056040
The original playtest had the dragon champion, which is probably going to come back for this one.

>>49060967
herself
also she is toughest of us to kill and best optimized so she is never really in danger

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>>49056587
The same team as before, essentially. Forrest was still involved but hasn't been the driving force behind it for various reasons which all mostly read 'scheduling'.

>>49061022
Something good at both healing and making enemies vulnerable, and throwing around orbs. Not really sure how you'd do that. Some kind of initiator with both Silver Crane and Cursed Razor?

>>49061196
Hey, in case you missed it, I found a pretty big problem with the Crimson Dreadnaught >>49060120

>>49061536
Far Strike Monk for punching air and killing folks with magical ki balls
Also because Zenyatta is a monk
Then multiclass to something with debuff spells and some healing?

>>49061565
I did see that, and it's now able to sleep in heavy armor, thanks for that catch!

suddenly-drow group here.

So after poking the crystals some, apparently they've got some sort of magical radiation going on. WE're trying to debate between taking some samples to study or just seeing of dispel magic should fix us, or if we should take advantage of this to actually get some civilization for a bit, as much as drow civilization can be called civilized.

>>49061802
oh now that sounds like poppycock

What do you guys think of elemental whispers?

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Yo, draconic avenger and dragon champion are on the playtest doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hrk1hl8uXVHazaiPOCvWsFUHX3PB6fQVd13tzguJTgE/edit#bookmark=id.72ijnvnyods2

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My DM finally approved me using Warpath Follower.

Now I have to choose 3 disciplines of the following list: Piercing Thunder, Eternal Guardian, Golden Lion and Scarlet Throne.

Have 7 maneuvers to pick up , 3 stances at the maximum level of 3.

Any tips, I'm kind overwhelmed by the choices.

>>49062604
>Take eternal guardian because it's cool as fuck
>Scarlet throne is really good
>Golden Lion is decent because your allies will like you for it and nobody likes Piercing Thunder

Stances:
Ignore Scarlet Throne stances
Choose a third level stance that dictates what you'll be in most of the time
Choose two first level stances for utility, maybe even out of battle use, but I don't think the disciplines you have really lend themselves to that.

Everything else, just choose what's fun.
What weapon are you using? If Fool's Errand is also allowed, you can also qualify for that.

>>49062673
I'm using a Dwarven Longaxe so its a polearm.

Scarlet Throne my DM approved me using because of my character background.

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>>49062695
Oh yes I'm eligible for Mithral Current, but still sperging about the concept of "sheating" a polearm

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>Say I'd have something on Sunday
>Don't realize there was fifty things going on at once and couldn't get to it
>find out other people have been homebrewing for the same shit I was doing, and it's all probably better

Haha, oops. This is what I get for being slow. Anyway, at If anyone was interested in that Racial Vigilante archetype (that had to get renamed for obvious reasons), I at least have another draft of that to get beaten into paste instead of JUST the feats: http://pastebin.com/FJFHEVFa

I wanted to see if changing the formatting of gaining new SLAs, but I don't know if sorting everything by tiers makes sense or not. It should at least be clear how it works though. Also went and made the archetype compatible with the Warlock, because reasons, but I don't know if I'm feeling it.

>>49062695
>>49062715
You also qualify for Black Seraph and Unquiet Grave but I expect you don't want those if you're not evil/spooky.

Sheathing a weapon that doesn't have a sheathe is more about feinting with it: putting it in a nonthreatening position that they wouldn't expect you can attack from.

>You can go without food and water for one day. Each time you manifest this power, your body manufactures sufficient solid and liquid nourishment to satisfy your needs for that time.

Does this Power basically make it so that I'm eating my own shit?

I'm making Alien based eidolon and was thinking about homeruling acidic blood. Don't have a clue about game balance and DM is busy with world building.
How does 1/2 damage taken+1/2 HD+ con mod,(Reflex save for half) in retaliation sounds? For 2 evolution points. Also full damage to melee weapon striked with for another point or 2.

>>49062822
I wrote a feat of some relevance for this. Lemme fetch the text; it might be handy for you as a basis.

CORROSIVE ERUPTION [PSIONIC]
Your bodily fluids are both pressurized and highly acidic.
Prerequisites: Aberration type or aberrant subtype, Con 13+
Benefit: A spray of corrosive fluids erupts from
your body whenever you are dealt piercing or slashing damage by a melee attack from an adjacent creature, dealing acid damage equal to your hit dice plus your Constitution modifier to the creature that damaged you. You may expend your psionic focus as an immediate action when this occurs; if you do, this damage increases to 1d4 points of acid damage per hit die, plus your constitution modifier. You are immune to damage from your own acidic fluids.

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> At 6th level, once per day you can reach into water as a standard action and pull out an object with a maximum gp value of up to 50 gp × your cleric level.

> This object always has the broken condition upon being withdrawn from the water. The water you reach into must be at least deep enough to fully immerse yourself in it. At 12th level, objects you retrieve are not broken. At 20th level, you can retrieve objects worth up to 5,000 gp. If retrieving an object that would not normally float, assume it rests on top of or is entwined with debris that does float. Objects retrieved in this manner disappear after 24 hours, if not already used up or otherwise destroyed before then.

Please tell me there's a really cool way to utilize this. I'm going to be playing a Waterworld-esque campaign "eventually" and really want to try using this somehow.

>>49062862
I'd also like for it to have realistic chances to damage weapons and objects or is it too OP?

>>49062779
You don't eat anything. You literally create sustenance out of nothing in your body.

>>49062956
I mean...eh? Hardness is a bit of a bitch to handle, mechanically, and also breaking the loot is a thing. I haven't looked much into sunder math & damaging objects, largely because I rarely do it and my group(s) tend not to either. Anon may be of more help there.

>>49062977
Yeah, it says you manufacture the nourishment which has to come from somewhere. It makes you eat purified shit. Psionics is a system which lets you eat your own shit.

>>49063025
It could be solid soulstuff and liquid brain-fluid, for all we know.

>>49062956
>>49062987
The easiest method would just be that 3/day the object that attacked you also takes the same amount of damage.

>>49062987
As far as I know it's shitton of DR for objects. Like 10 for basic sword. And energy attacks do half damage. Still it would be cool and flavourful.

>>49062759
Yeah I'm not evil, so out of question.

Guess I will cycle my options through Eternal, Scarlet and Golden.

>>49063078
Well per day restriction would mean that pretty much all blood is gone since it supposed to be pressurized. And my eidolon would still be alright.

>>49062779
>>49063025

>has to come from somewhere
>What is ectoplasmic creation, a level 1 power that lets you craft organic material by taking ectoplasm from the astral plane

Are there any dragons from the First World that aren't faerie dragons or linnorms?

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>>49063203
Jabberwocky

>>49063130
Unquiet Grave isn't evil!
Just really spooky.

>>49062987
Sundering is almost exclusively a monster thing. Even moreso than grappling. There are a few reasons for this

>Most monsters aren't sunderable
The game's about beating up monsters and taking their stuff. Any encounter that doesn't include at least one humanoid-ish creature that uses armor or a weapon is an encounter where sundering is useless.

>CMD Scaling
CMD scales faster than every other monster defense, period. AC would, too, if it got Strength AND Dexterity to it. Paizo isn't the brightest in this respect, it would've been much better if CMD just used the higher of the two.

>Loot
Your aim is to recover the enemy's shit, not smash it to bits. When you sunder, you are attacking your money. If it's a cheap thing, like a mundane sword or non-masterwork armor, it's worth considering, maybe, but is it really worth investing feats and class features into? Not really.

>Magic Items
Holy shit, these are hard to break. You absolutely have to have a dedicated character to break a magic sword. The combination of the base hardness and HP of most weapons with the fact that making it masterwork and enchanting it at all makes it crazy high leads to a point where some creatures have less durability than their sword does. Armor has even more, let alone armor made from any sort of special material.

In short, it's a monster thing. Not just a monster thing, but a pretty dickish one - a martial's magic weapon takes up a good eighth of his WBL, minimum, and replacing a destroyed one basically requires a side adventure. Why D&D has always both been a system including monsters that destroy your shit but also a system that requires you to have a certain amount of shit to survive is beyond me. I genuinely would rather be hit by a Greater Bestow Curse than lose a magic weapon above a certain price. It's cheaper to get rid of.

>>49063289
Indeed. Hence why I don't bother trying to support it.

>>49063305
Steelforge already has more or less the best attempt to support it POW will get anyway, that one harbinger archetype.

>>49063025
You make it. Literally out of NOTHING. Like all the other powers and spells that create something out of literally nothing.

Stop trying to project your fetish onto the power. It doesn't do that.

>>49063289
Because tradition of D&D lies in aggravating the player. Because the players are gluttons for punishment.

After all, you lose stuff, die, reroll and bang your head against the hard module until you win no?

>>49060678
Warosu and 4plebs are offsite archives that collect all the posts on a handful of boards by some weird kind of voodoo magic. Good place to check for recent releases and non-PF stuff (in the PDF swap threads), especially with how slow the cleaners have been.

>>49063025
>has to come from somewhere
No it doesn't, you don't "secrete it externally" its like photosynthesis and shit, its an internal mechanism.

>>49061802
>>49062003
ITT bitches don't know bout my faerzress

never heard of it turning people into drow though. your DM is probably just magical realming.

How do I build a Zweihander Sentinel Warder? Never played Path of War before, so I don't know if there's anything special for me to consider. So far I'm thinking of mainly going Eternal Guardian.

>>49064289
From what I've seen it's hard to fuck up, just get yourself a huge sword and heavy armor then smash things in the face and be the armor that the squishies can't wear.

>>49062916
Bump.

What's with trip feats? some people tell me trip is awesome, others tell me they're shit.
I was thinking on going Imp Trip, Greater Trip and Vicious Stomp on my UMonk, what's the general consensus here?

>>49064598
Hope your DM doesn't throw things that can't be tripped at you, pump your CMB and size, then go down Dirty Fighting/Improved Trip, Greater Trip, Vicious Stomp and Combat Reflexes. If there's still a way to replace an iterative with a trip, open with that them put the boots to them.

Trip is the worse of the two Combat Maneuvers worth a damn to build around (the other is Dirty Trick), but if it works, it works well.

>>49064289
Zweihander Sentinel + Ordained Defender is a strict upgrade.

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Well, Gene Wilder just passed away.

Who else wants to build and play as a gingerbread witch in honor of his memory?

>>49064740

Ah, a pity. Don't really care for the archetype, though, so I think I'll just watch some of his movies instead.

>>49062916
Anon, you're a Cleric. You have Mending/Make Whole. You can summon anything of cost.

Like scrolls. Or spyglasses. Or manacles. Or masterwork/low magic weapons. Or maps.

The Flotsam Domain power is one of the best in the game. Use your imagination fampai.

>>49064713
Why Ordained defender? I thought int based is usually better?

>>49064598
If you have 13 Int and can spare combat expertise go Trip

>>49061600
Bad touch Cleric going unarmed and snagging Blood Crow Strike.

Badaboom.

>>49064818
Wisdom for Will and Conversion Inquisition at level 3.

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>>49064740
>>49064783
Who wants to play a vore gingerbread witch?

>>49064818
Inquisitions and the Will save bump are worth way more than Int for the Warder.

>>49064818
That's a meme from mad charisma fags.

Wisdom is the best stat. Int is just a scape goat because wizards and a couple of sub par feats.

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>>49064879

>>49064865
>>49064890
Is conversion the best inquisition for ZSs? Does the loss of skill points hurt?

>>49064790
> You can summon anything of cost.
Which is exactly why I was trying to find uses for it beyond the obvious summoning weapons/scrolls/mundane objects. My imagination only takes me so far what with my amateur knowledge.

>>49064905
>f sub par feats.
I mean traits.

>>49064879
How can you bring this into a game and NOT get called out as magical realming? Did they not realize this when making it?

>>49064938
Find a local wizard (or a wizard in your party) and use it to fish up Diamond Dust so that said wizard can slap some permanancy effects on the party.

>>49064993
Its in horror adventures, its supposed to be viewed as disgusting and be an archetype for DMs to use for their foes. Vore is a weird fetish, because theres nothing inherently sexual about it at all. Its like being sexually attracted to walking, gunshots or ink.

Swallow whole for player characters is a mechanic ive wanted for a while, but ive gotta say it seems stupid on a witch, she wont have the bonuses to actually eat anyone if its a PC, though monsters like trolls or hags taking this archetype will likely rock a stat block easily capable of pulling it off and a level advantage over the PCs.

>>49064923
The social skills are the best ones the Warder can really use other than Perception. This means that a 10 Int non-human can put ranks into all three of those and Perception and not really lose out on anything..

Armor check penalty will fuck Dex and Str skills, and the Warder doesn't get any knowledge skills to identify creatures, so unless you're dead set on having high Handle Animal or Survival, the skill point loss doesn't hurt at all.

>>49065003
Or onyx for skellymans, crushed glass or flour dust to make explosives with, crushed rock to make pigments with, pre-chopped wood, etc, etc

>>49050186
It seems a bit too strong to be just one feat too me. I am not sure though, as the paizo variant is far too weak to use a feat on (most of the time at least)...

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>>49065082
>Its like being sexually attracted to ... ink.

>>49065463

The ink isn't the sexualized thing in that image.

>>49065091
Wouldn't reformation do the same thing, with the 2 d20 feature

>>49065556
What is the image if not the ink that could ostensibly have been used to make it?

>>49065082
The Ungermaw from Gonzo 2 is a good way for a PC to get Swallow Whole without any downsides.

>>49065593
If we're going there, everyone here has pixel fetish.

>>49065586
Reformation gives Perform instead of Bluff, so that's sort of a judgement call.

It's generally accepted though that the effective Dominate Person SLA outweighs the Charm Person + Social reroll.

>>49065635
I know I do.

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What's a good thing to gestalt with Life Oracle for maximum buffs/healing?

What's the best Tristalt combo? Quadstalt?

>>49066367
Vitalist

>>49066387
>What's the best Tristalt combo?

Arcanist/Wizard/Witch

You have all the spells. All of them.

>>49066367
Hospitaler Paladin

>>49066367
paladin, wizard, troll racial hit dice, vitalist

>>49066387
wizard sorcerer arcanist

wizard sorcerer arcanist bloodrager/dragon disciple(for d12 HD)

>>49066367
Hedge Witch or Paladin of the Holy Radience.

>>49066430
>>49066442

>tfw you show up to the quadstalt game with a fighter/rogue/monk/cavalier

>>49066387
>>49066430

Tailing off of what this guy said: Shaman/Witch/Cleric/Psychic

You have even more variety in spells- Shaman gets you access to both Shaman and Wizard spells, while the other three have a shitton of spells themselves. You'll be MAD as hell though.

>>49066387
I don't know about "best", but "Most INT-SAD" would probably be (Instructor) Wizard||(Bladebound/Kensai) Magus||(Empiricist) Investigator

>>49066464
No.

Rogue/Swashbuckler/Fighter|Aldori Swordlord/Ranger.

On the plus side, you will have enough feats to actually get spring attack.

>>49066464
>not fighter/rogue/monk/kineticist
Anon please.

>>49066387
>Unchained Monk|Esoteric Magus (with Broad Study)|Witch of Strength
Hit things to death harder than anyone has ever been hit to death in the history of hitting things.

>Fighter|Unchained Rogue|Wizard|Cleric
Do everything. EVERYTHING.

>>49066550
See that's usable though. Rogue gets you uncanny dodge and Dex to damage plus SA, Swashbuckler lets you use your AoOs for parry and/or riposte (and piercing grace if it's not URogue), Ranger gives you feats you could use for your chosen weapon, and Fighter gives you a shitton of feats which you can use for something like Circling Mongoose to get guaranteed SA.

>>49066387
All good saves + full BAB + High Skills + 9th level spellcasting without being ridiculously MAD is your huckleberry.

So probably something like Unchained Monk + Cleric + Nature Fang Urban Druid + Unchained Rogue because why not.

Or Sylvan Sorcerer + Primalist Bloodrager + Oracle/UnRogue.

You could sub in an archetyped to shit Fighter if AWT/AAT is on the table to get your full BAB and pseudo-good saves.

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>>49064879
It is a SINGLE FEATURE of the archetype that you don't get until LEVEL 12. There is so much going on with the archetype outside of your shit-tier fetish that is fun and interesting. Fuck off with the creepy devouring faggotry I want to be whimsical King Candy.

>>49066717
Hey, you forgot the Legendary Vigilantes playtest.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hrk1hl8uXVHazaiPOCvWsFUHX3PB6fQVd13tzguJTgE/edit?usp=sharing

How does /pfg/ feel about banning certain feats/spells/etc because of world building reasons? How far is too far,in your opinion?