MTG Legacy General

>>49013292
>Playing
Dredge with a backup in Burn, I just want to be the big bad boogeyman at every Legacy tournament. Like Spanish Inquisition.

>Brewing
Nourshing Lich, but it's so bad, so I'm probably gonna just give up. There are infinitely better decks. Typically I'm a Jeskai-ish player but I've found myself drabbling more and more in black recently. I blame Ichorid.

>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
I keep forgetting Legacy has tiers. I don't know, some jank combo deck probably.

>Spicy techs?
2 Leyline of Punishment in the sideboard for Burn. Should probably get rid of one of my 3 mainboard Sulfuric Vortexes.

>>49013537
Also, 1 Mindbreak Trap in Burn's sideboard.

Ordered the money cards for my burn deck; feels good.

Lowtier deck project is monoblue Dreadstill I'm putting together. It is, none the less, quite pricey.

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Bump, figure out what deck you want to play!

>>49015352
Is delver not on there?

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>>49015526
I mean, the flowchart still has Nourishing Lich, Quinn, Sea Stompy, Waterfalls... It's probably a good 4 years old by now, it could use a solid upgrade.

Most accurate pic of formats at your left.

>>49013292
>spicy tech
Well, black in the board has been really fun

does anyone know of a good bant legacy deck that has both burgeoing and show and tell in the deck?

>>49015605

Waterfalls is fun, even though Shardless is still far far better. Oh well, its not like you can't convert from one to the other from time to time.

>>49016060
I know Maverick can be tweaked to add blue in the board, but it's a midrange deck and doesn't rely on something like Emrakul to win the game. You could get a deck like Show and Tell and use Eureka instead of Sneak Attack, and then splash white for either a Stoneforge/Batterskull package or just for Swords to Plowshares.

Or you could just brew, see what you come up with.

>>49016060
It sounds like your asking for a deck that's trying to do too many things at once. I like your style... perhaps a show and tell deck that also runs green to get lands to pay for fatties while also having the option to cheat cards into play occasionally.

>>49013292
>>Playing
D&T

>>Brewing
nope

>>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
twin exarch

>>Spicy techs?
fact or fiction in twin exarch

>>49016167
Esper Miracles? Post list. Is it like Stoneblade but not?

>>49016024
list?

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>>49016760
Well this is stock list except
- 1 EtA
-1 counter spell
+1 snapcaster
+1 predict

The board however is ever changing, I'll post my regular list (it's what I use if I don't know the meta)

1x eitherswron canonist
2x thoughtseize
1x nihil spell bomb
1x leyline of sanctity
3x surgical extraction
1x snapcaster mage
1x entreat the angels
1x flusterstorm
1x disenchant
1x Rest in peace
1x back to basics
1x notion thief

>>49016024
I (>>49016827) am building jeskai now, but esper is my fave 3 color combo by far, so if I saw a good list I would love to biuld esper miracles.

>>49016863
Sometimes I drop a Plains and add an underground sea or swamp or sometimes a scrub lands and stick a sinkhole in the board or 2. I'd like to add black into the main board to some extent but I just don't know how to go about it, not thoughtseize because I don't want any dead cards in burn (or as little as possible) so maybe and IoK? But then what would I drop for that, a council's judgment?

>>49013292
>Playing

I'm on DnT. Had one of my wastelands vanish recently. Replaced it tonight, so i'm pretty happy.
>Brewing
Trying to figure out the optimal numbers for new stuff
>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
Would Aluren be T2?
>Spicy techs?
I guess the mainboard Council's is the closest thing to spicy.

What‘s a better CA engine?

Fact or Fiction or Accumulated Knowledge?

>>49017147
I prefer fact or fiction but it purely depends on the situation/deck

>>49013292
>Playing
4c Loam, MUD, TES

>Brewing
BR Welder with the new Deretti

>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
High Tide

>Spicy Techs
Been running Ensnaring Bridge in the side of MUD to deal with Eldrazi.

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>>49013292

>Playing
Intuition Lands
>Brewing
nothing in legacy
>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
enchantress
>>Spicy techs?
SB primeval titans

>>49017721
Primeval titans? What for? I don't quite understand why you'd have those. I don't really know enchantress all that well to begin with so maybe it's that

>>49018480

they're for lands, not enchantress. I use it against decks that cheat fatties into play, such as hypergenesis and show&tell. it also gives me a shot in situations where another emrakul or an ashen rider would'nt be enough, such as when they get out omniscience to cast their library. titan ETB gets me 2 wastelands or 1 wasteland 1 maze of ith, untaps, attacks, gets me a tabernacle, maybe untaps itself from a blocker with maze of ith, opponent can't keep any creatures.

dredging into it does the same thing after exhume, maybe buying precious turns. lands can ditch a lot of its mainboard after g1 so getting the titan in is very easy, and people lose their shit when they see him.

>>49018594
Nice, I know I wouldn't want to see that lol. Probably spoop me pretty good

Just got 2 force of will from a grab bag what do?

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>>49018768
Grab bag results

>>49018768
Sell them for crack

>>49015352
I play Miracles because I enjoy the tightrope walk.

>>49015526
it's on there under canadian threshold, the old name of the deck

>>49018777
What's a grab bag? And how do I get one with 2×FoW in it?

Also, checked.

>>49015352
this chart leads me to turbo depths, which I actually just ordered all the cards for, so that's neat.

>>49013292
>Playing
DDFT as usual. Been punting like mad the past 10 or so games I've played on MTGO, just can stop for some reason.
>brewing
Still trying to get Veteran Explorer Doomsday to work
>favorite tier 2 trash
Does DDFT count? I have rack pox too. And belcher.
>spice
Cumin is my favorite, but garam masala goes well with pork.

>>49017147
you've got to intuition for AK for maximum value

>>49018768
how many did you order? Also god they really dont mix those well, glad i didnt get any.

>>49019336
Only ordered 2 from deriums

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>Playing/Brewing/Favorite tier 2 deck
All aboard the cancer train!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-stax-2/
>Spicy tech
Not in Stax, but in general Teferi's Response is hot stuff

>>49016863
>a playset of Expedition Flooded Strand
Someday I, too, will be made of money

>>49021188
I'm loving the inclusion of God's Eye in the deck. I'm loving Bottled Cloister even more. That's a surefire way to avoid a lot of really good metagame cards like Therapy and Gitaxian Probe.

>>49021640
Oh it's just 1 expedition, don't you worry though one day it'll be a playset. The deck is slightly non-uniform and it's starting to piss me off.

>>49021188
god I love teferi's response.
casting it 1 time in a game absolutely ruins normal thinking for your opponent for the rest of the game.

>>49022002
Tell me about it. I have 1 MMA Bridge from Below and 3 FUT Bridge from Below and it's really frustrating because no shop near me has the FUT printing and the MMA isn't moving online.

At least Dredge is picking up in Modern so my deck's value went up a couple dollars.

>>49022069
I have a similar problem, but with Golgari Thug.
2 Dueldeck, 2 Rav. It's the only inconsistancy in the entire 75, and it bothers me constantly.

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>>49013292
>Playing
Manaless Dredge
>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
Fuck, what are tiers right now? Manaless is still only in Combo (Established). That.

How much do old bordered foiled basic lands go for? $3-4 a piece?

>>49019032
pretty sure canadian threshold is RUG delver, when Grixis is where it's at these days.

>>49022654
You made me want to check my deck again, so I went back and...

3 Dueldeck Golgari Grave-Troll, 1 Ravnica

1 Graveborn Putrid Imp, 2 Torment

3 Future Sight Bridge from Below, 1 Modern Masters

1 Future Sight Narcomoeba, 3 Modern Masters

2 City of Brass, 2 Mana Confluence

1 foil Time Spiral Dread Return, 1 C14 Dread Return

1 foil Modern Masters Stinkweed Imp, 3 Ravnica Stinkweed Imp

My deck is a holy mess.

>>49023137
Fuck, you just reminded me my Trolls are 2/2 RAV/Dueldeck
I don't notice those, because of the art.

One of each of Thug and Dread Return are also Italian.
Only one of my Amalgams is foil.
FUCK.

Yeah I have 1 Italian FoW 3 reg, 1 Italian divining top 2 reg and 1 foil EM, 1 jap Marsh flats 1 reg, 1 DD Counterspell and 1 Italian one from somewhere, 1 expedition flooded strand 3 reg, 3 FtV terminus 1 reg

>>49023767
Remember, whenever you play an Italian card you need to read it in a ridiculous Italian accent.

>>49023886
http://magiccards.info/rav/it/87.html
Thugga Gol-a-gari?

>>49023886
I try I honestly do try

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Here's my list on paper; hope the picture doesn't post sideways. Tfw no LEDs.

>>49024115
Chinamen leds are good
>Not having all your bridges from FS
Commit sudoku pls

>>49025119
See >>49023137 and >>49022069

I may buy Chinaman LEDs soon, or perhaps go creep around the local flea markets in hope of scoring a good find.

>>49025119
I'm tempted to buy chinaman Bloodghasts for Modern, I wouldn't get LEDs, my friendgroup would be immediately suspicious of me being able to drop nearly $1k almost overnight.

>>49023952
Eccellente.

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>>49021188
>Teferi's response
So if my opponent tries to wasteland me, or targets my manland this is a “counter it, draw 2”?

That would fit right into Landstill.

>>49025728
>hat would fit right into Landstill.
You do realize that if you play this in a response to Wasteland while under Standstill, the Standstill goes off for the opponent, right?

>>49022045
It makes your opponent hesitate to Wasteland you if you have 1U mana up. Then what?

>>49022862
Depends on the edition. Newer (old-framed) foils can be had for under 1 burger. I think. Unless basic lands from the US cost that much more than Europe.

>>49023886
I just read my Italian cards terribly ADR'd.

I'm currently playing on a budget so I have a bunch of cards in random languages for no reason. 2 Japanese Thalia, GOT, 1 Russian THC, 1 Spanish Mirran Crusader, 1 Russian Flickerwisp and 1 Russian Phyrexian Revoker. Beautiful.

>>49025753
Yes but you don't always have a standstill down or are in a boardstate to put it down.

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>>49025728
I'd rather play Teferi's Response in EDH than in Legacy. If I'm cranking out mana with Cabal Coffers or Nykthos I sure as hell don't want my lands getting screwed by Strip Mine or targeted land destruction. But for Legacy, if I really care about my lands getting 86'd by D&T or Stax, why not use Stifle?

Aaaaaand now is when I realize that Response gets rid of Wasteland whereas Stifle keeps it on the board. I think.

Either way have a bump, thread. Plus more format memes.

>>49026978
stifle doesn't keep it on board. teferi's response is only better when you want the slot only to keep your lands alive, so basically just in infect.

>>49026978
response gets rid of rishasan port where stifle doesn't though.

>>49026978
>Aaaaaand now is when I realize that Response gets rid of Wasteland whereas Stifle keeps it on the board. I think.
Wasteland saccs itself as part of the cost. It does destroy Rishadan Port though.

Can I have some advice on my UB Tezz deck? Should I be running more of the cards in the thopter swords combo, maybe replacing a Wurmcoil? (I'd like to keep one in, it's not difficult to cast.) I'm not sure about my sideboard either, and I'm thinking about going Grixis and buying some Mox Diamonds but I'm not entirely sure if it's worth making the manabase worse. I like the deck I saw last thread with the new Daretti and welders, maybe I'll try and take some ideas from there.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/my-tezzerator/

So 2 prelates in death and taxes? That sounds right to me.

>>49027718
2 Prelates and 3 Recruiters seems to be the consensus.

>>49027744
Not a big fan of the recruiters really. We'll see how it turns out though.

>>49016863

Why the 4 Tops?

>>49027631
>it's a $3800 deck
Mother of God that's a metric fuckton of money, mate. But first thing's first, that list looks like so much fun. I would play it blind in any tournament.

I would try to pick one specific strategy and gear it towards that. I'm not sure what Ratchet Bomb is in there for, but that would be the first piece I'd cut/move to the sideboard. Same thing with Trinisphere. What's your usual wincon with this deck? Is this more of a toolbox build, or is it more of a Stax list?

>>49027802
Yeah the ratchet's probably better in the sideboard or just not there at all, I just didn't know what to replace it with. The Trinisphere's there because I'll usually have more mana than my opponents and it goes well with the Chalice, but it used to be in the sideboard for fighting storm type decks. It's more along the lines of a toolbox deck with walkers, thopters, chalice and the Wurmcoils all as wincons, although the most wins I have are due to the Chalice shutting down their deck (Usually delver).

>>49027768
The recruiter build is more for a grindy meta, if your meta is more combo and shit, the recruiters probably slow you down too much, so just stick to a normal list with Prelates in it.

>>49013292
Which ones are tier 1 and which are tier 2? Anyone have a list?

>>49027631
Looks pretty good, I like a single Nihil Spellbomb maindeck even though it gets hit by Chalice, sometimes vs decks like dredge it outright wins the game for you and others it generates value off stopping DRS activations.
>>49027802
>>49027884
I would swap it for an EE if you have one, I found a singleton one is great for hitting DRS and Delvers.

After brewing and playing the Welder version, it feels kinda janky. The real problem is the mana base, since I want Caverns to push my welders through Chalice and to be able to have 2UB and 1RB on turn 2 ideally. However the Welders do a lot of really powerful things, Strix become draw engines, Wurmcoils make enough tokens to stall out almost any aggro strat, and reseting Tangle Wire while ticking up a Tezz to keep them locked down.

>>49028414
Tier 1 is probably

Miracles
Grixis Delver
Eldrazi Stompy
Death and Taxes
ANT
Shardless BUG
Show and Tell
UR Delver

>>49028431
I do have an EE in the sideboard, I'm not sure why I have it in the SB over the bomb when it hits things a lot faster, I just played against a Jund deck and lost with RB getting decayed on the tick up to two whilst they had bob, two goyfs and Sylvan Library on the field that an EE would've been amazing against. I hear you about the Welders though, that mana base did look very clunky and I occasionally have problems even in this deck with casting all the double blue cards.

>>49027884
-1 Ratchet Bomb
+1 Sword of the Meek

For Trinisphere, I think you should definitely just move that to the sideboard. I was going to suggest mainboarding Tangle Wire, but I'm not sure if that hurts you as much as it would slow your opponent. Have you tried MUD staples, e.g., Sphere of Resistance, Thorn of Amethyst, etc.?

>>49028774
I've got a Sphere lying around, I could see throwing that in but I feel like the deck's too mild on the stax department to make good use out of it. I like the +1SotM -1RB suggestion though.

>>49027793
I can't imagine not running 4 and I haven't seen a deck do extremely well recently that doesn't run 4 tops, in fact most people agree you should run 4 tops. I do however run 4 counterbalance and a lot of people like to run 3 instead

>>49013292
The modern general has a good OP post with the meta game breakdown for the follow up

>>49028542
isn't lands tier 1?

>>49013292
>>49029718
A few threads ago, the last time I made one I tried making a OP from a mashup of EDH and Modern general but with relevant Legacy websites, but it didn't take off.

>>49029718
Let's try to cook one up then.

TIER 1 DECKS (Established Legacy)
>Miracles
>Delver variants
>ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)
>Sneak and Show
>Death and Taxes
>LED Dredge
>Eldrazi Stompy

TIER 2 (Developing Legacy)
>Lands
>Maverick
>Jund
>Stoneblade
>Burn
>Merfolk
>High Tide
>TES
>Painter

Contentions? Additions?

>>49030074
No reanimator in tier 2?

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>>49030074
>dredge tier 1
>no mention of shardless or infect

>>49030128
>>49030201
I hardly play against BUG or Infect so it didn't come to mind. I'll add it.

TIER 1 DECKS (Established Legacy)
>Miracles
>Delver variants
>ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)
>Sneak and Show
>Death and Taxes
>Eldrazi Stompy
>Infect
>Shardless BUG

TIER 2 (Developing Legacy)
>Lands
>Maverick
>Jund
>Stoneblade
>Burn
>Merfolk
>High Tide
>TES
>Painter

>>49030517
Enchantress is a solid T2

>Playing
BUG Pod Nic Fit
>Building
BUG Pod Nic Fit
>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
MUD/Stax
>Spicy techs?
Does OG Venser count?

>>49030950
>BUG Pod Nic Fit
Jesus

>>49030965
It's really difficult to play. That said it has some insane power turns like all Nic Fit lists.
I was also playing a Jund Nic Fit with 2 prime time, 1 inferno titan, 1 gravy train. Was fun

>>49031037
>gravy train
What

>>49031052
grave titan
can't remember what the nickname for Inferno/Sun titan

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>>49031052

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More format memes. I've got nothing else to do so I'll keep making these.

>>49031143
make more

>>49029974
Yeah I'm the same guy who suggested it the first time. We need an actual picture (cause pics don't lie) of the meta game even if it online only.

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A thread or so ago some anons were discussing non-Miracles control decks and somebody brought up The Baron, a BUG control deck from a few years back.

I decided to try something similar with Esper based on my experience with Esper control in Modern and came up with this:

Creatures: 3
3 Snapcaster Mage

Instants: 30
4 Brainstorm
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Spell Snare
4 Counterspell
4 Accumulated Knowledge
3 Cunning Wish
3 Fact or Fiction
4 Force of Will

Other Spells: 3
3 Supreme Verdict

Lands: 24
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
3 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
3 Island
2 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Mishra's Factory

Sideboard: 15
>normal
3 Thoughtseize
3 Innocent Blood
1 Supreme Verdict

>wish-able
1 Slaughter Pact
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Extirpate
1 Flusterstorm
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Consume the Meek
1 Secure the Wastes
1 Sphinx's Revelation

I played a few rounds with it on XMage and it ran smoothly. I won all my matches, beating ANT, Reanimator, and Leylines pretty handily. Against combo decks like this it's pretty easy to extract an important piece or just counter all their stuff and kill them with Factory and Snapcaster beats. I'm worried about creature decks like Elves and Death and Taxes, though.

I feel like the mainboard is pretty much set, but I'm going back and forth on Esper Charm and Fact or Fiction. FoF is easier to cast and provides better CA, but it's more expensive and doesn't provide the same utility that Charm does.

The hardest part of building this deck is working out what cards need to be in the wishboard, and keeping that number as low as possible while so I have more space for real sideboard cards.

Maverick or Junk Nic Fit? Slowly moving into legacy and wondering which is better as my main deck.

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>>49031863
Nic Fit is weak to graveyard hate and Maverick struggles to out-value combo decks. Nic Fit is extremely explosive and Maverick can be tuned toward all types of metas. I suppose it depends on which way you like playing: hard and fast with good late game via Nic Fit or slow and steady with constant grind via Maverick.

That being said, I know Maverick better than I know Nic Fit, and I'd play Maverick just on personal tastes.

More format memes, hope I'm not trying too hard here.

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>>49031766
The thought of EoT Cunning Wish into Anguished Unmaking is fucking hilarious.

>>49031863
Both are good.
Maverick is more consistent while Nic Fit is more explosive but less consistent and much harder to play.

>>49032034
I could probably thown in a Trop and run Abrupt Decay or Krosan Grip instead.

I was also thinking of using Disenchant and Celestial Purge, becuause those cover a lot of things, but that leaves me open to Jace.

Cutting the Factories for 3 Wastelands and 1 Riptide Laboratory and running 3 Cliques in the board instead of 3 Thoughtseize could be fun too, but that doesn't enable the extraction plan as well.

Im looking to build either death and taxes, maverick, or merfolk as my first legacy deck. I usually play Kiki chord in modern so maverick appeals to me but I know my local meta is super heavy on miracles.

>>49032405
If you're super heavy on Miracles, I'd go for D&T. Merfolk is too creature-dependent and you'll end up getting blown out by Terminus a lot of the time. Remember that control typically beats combo, so when you're playing Maverick, if you're hitting Green Sun's Zenith it's liable to be hit with Counterbalance.

You should play what you want, not what you think is the best. But if you want to have a good fight against Miracles, D&T is probably the better option.

tl;dr
>Death and Taxes first
>Maverick second
>Merfolk third

>>49032313
To be honest I'm worried about the amount of non basics in the deck, it also looks like burn is an auto lose as compared to miracles where, if I get my countertop going I have a fighting chance

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>>49032313
I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad plan, I'm just thinking that usually when a game goes t1 ponder, t2 brainstorm, t3 cunning wish, the first thing that comes to mind is "Blue Sun's Zenith for 90" not "Anguished unmaking your Tombstalker"

>>49032313
>>49032651
oops, it doesn't run ponder. fugg i am dumb

>>49031766
>Anguished Unmaking
What's Indestructible in legacy? Vindicate might be better. Cool brew, though.

>>49032754
It's more about Instant speed than taking out Indestructible permanents.

>>49032797
Oh shit Vindicate isn't instant. Yeah, that makes sense, then.

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>Playing
Reanimator

>Brewing
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-06-16-legacy-goblins/
any help with it would be appreciated

>>49032645
The manabase probably needs tuning. I just went with something basic to start with. It didn't give me any problems in testing, but I should probably build towards more Blue sources.

I could throw something in the wishboard for burn, like Rest for the Weary, but I'm not sure it would be worth it.

>>49034568
Burn looks really strong against the deck, I'm honestly not sure how you'd even make the Matchup salvagable. I do however like what you're trying to do. I'm not sure if Esper is the right colors to do this sort of thing in though. Perhaps grixis or jeskai would be better. I'd be happy to try some brainstorming with you and the rest of /tg/ though becuase I'd honestly love some Control vs Control Matchups that aren't the mirror

>>49032633
>if you're hitting Green Sun's Zenith it's liable to be hit with Counterbalance.
If you have the spare mana you can make GSZ effectively immune to counterbalance by overpaying the X cost.
Even if you only want a Gaddock Teeg, if you're pretty sure they have a 3 on top you can cast it with CMC=4 or 5 and dodge it.

>>49025835

>this card fits into my deck because it helps me when my deck doesn't do the stuff it's supposed to do

>>49015605
>Vintage
>The duel either ends in a second when the other guy's pistol hits first
>Or lasts forever since reloading is not really an option with misstep in the format countering the last cantrips out of both players' hands so the participants just slap each other to death
Seems accurate.

>>49013292
What's Miracles' worst nightmare?

>>49022776
Drop the Shambling Shells and a Spy for 4x Chancellor of the Annex and 1x Flame-Kin Zealot.
You'll thank me later.

>>49035129
>Burn looks really strong against the deck, I'm honestly not sure how you'd even make the Matchup salvagable.
You beat burn with permanent based hate. Leyline of Sanctity or Baneslayer Angel work well.

>I do however like what you're trying to do. I'm not sure if Esper is the right colors to do this sort of thing in though. Perhaps grixis or jeskai would be better.
I went to Esper because without a soft lock like countertop I thought hand disruption and extraction effects would be important for beating combo decks or decks with graveyard based recursion.

I'd like to hear what you had in mind for other color combinations though.

>>49036537

the mirror

i'm dead serious

>>49036537
12post or burn probably
Goblins is good too

>>49036537
12 post is like impossible to beat unless you're playing a version that can kill fast (with mentor or something)

>>49026978
>legacy
why is the rifle not square to his shoulder? surely he'll melonball himself with that acog if he discharges his rifle?

>>49036840
Legacy players think they're operator when they're really dumbasses.

>>49036596
I think grixis might be the best choice because then we get access to cheap removal in bolt while keeping the counter spells and the disruption. Damnation is always an option for boardwipes as well. I haven't quite thought about the wishboard all that much or even if you want it in the deck if it's grixis. With jeskai, I think you can get some great aggro control going on, like a jeskai stone blade lite. I.e less can trips more solid CA. As for the burn Matchup maybe some IoK to rip some cards out and bane slayer does sound good with leyline so maybe that will make it okay but I'd still be mortified of price of progress

>>49015352
this really really makes me want to play demon stompy now cause it sounds hilarious.

>>49037256

Don't. All it has over Eldrazi Stompy is Hymn and Lily. The idea of slapping shit with desecrator demon and Abby sounds fun until you realize that Eldrazi does the whole "slap shit while Chalice disables them" concept better. Reality Smasher and Thought Nazi are just too damn good

>>49037256
Please do and report back, I've never actually heard how the deck performs before

>>49037767
Shut up and let the person have there fun

>>49037792

Except it's not fun losing hard with a deck that barely does anything.

>>49037827
What do do mean! You getta be a baller playing bad demons!

>>49026978
>>49031143
>tfw 'competitive' commander has a higher power level than Legacy
I play commander (all variety of power levels) and Legacy, but yeah, thinking about upgrading my TES deck since in my current meta it is a challenge to play and I'm still running the old manabase of duals, fetches, and rainbows. It is one of the more challenging decks I've played in the format.

Then again I've only played Delver, Dredge, Miracles, Reanimator, and Storm variants.

>>49032003
Format memes work better, in my opinion, when the pictures are coherent from the same theme, such as the ones with gun duels, MMA and kids wrestling. Putting five unrelated pictures next to each other doesn't quite do it.

>>49038026
I think the theme of that meme was that the images are all "memes"

>>49030896
no it's not

>tfw they printed a single set so degenerate that it spawned its own T1 deck in legacy

BFZ was a mistake

>>49038573
>single set
Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple were printed in the previous Zendikar block, you nincompoop. Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors were printed in Tempest and Exodus, respectively. Without these sets, Eldrazi Stompy would not be tier 1 in legacy.

>>49038609
100% of the creatures, which makes out about 50% of the deck, have been printed in the BFZ block, plus a ton of sideboard cards to boot.

True, without either of the parts (Lands, Creatures) the deck wouldn't function, but you have to agree that the deck runs 85% non-land BFZ cards in the 75, and that is pretty big fucking percentage in legacy, especially for a NWO set.

>>49038710
NWO is specifically about the complexity allowed at Common, not sure how it being a NWO set is relevant here.

>>49038573
>They printed a single set so degenerate that TWO cards had to be banned in legacy and restricted in Vintage
Was Tarkir a mistake?

>>49038742

I was using the term NWO-set more to refer to modern day magic, rather than the specific policies of NWO.

>>49038752

You are comparing apples and oranges, anon.
Two delve cards being broken in other formats is a way smaller level of bad compared to an entire tribe being printed in a modern set and dominating Modern + Legacy

>>49038797
But it follows a natural curve for eternal playable cards that they have a huge impact in the beginning thanks to their raw and obvious power, and their dominance slowly diminishes over time as other players learn to adapt to the new threat. We may see new anti-eldrazi tech being discovered or even printed in the near future. Don't panic.

>>49039352
If Extinction didn't cost so much and wasn't in general a shitty card, I would run it in many black-based decks for the tribal match ups. The problem is there are too many good singleton Eldrazi; they're not like Elves or Goblins where they're a pain in numbers. As soon as TKS or Reality Smasher hits the board you're like "Oh shit, how do I get rid of this?"

>>49030517
Infect is good but not tier 1, it just beats miracles
Tier 1 should be:

>Miracles
>Grixis Delver
>ANT
>DnT
>Eldrazi
>Shardless
>Lands

Tier 2 is everything else, but it has some decks at the top
>Sneak n Show
>Reanimator
>Infect
>too lazy to rank the rest

>>49030517

Where are the ELVES?

>>49036537
Eldrazi, 12post, MUD and so on and so on. Near impossible to win big mana decks.

>>49032003
>>49032039

Thanks, probably just going to end up with the pieces to both anyway. I have more of Nic Fit right now, guess i'll play that as i slowly buy into what i need for maverick.

Daily reminder all people who plays storm and painter are autist

>>49027793
If get an extra top it's insurance against force of will and helps go off with monastery mentor

>>49028542
Lands and elves should probably be on that list. Show and tell should probably be off it.

>>49030074
Dredge is tier 2. Sneak and show is tier 2. Shardless and lands are tier 1. Infect is probably tier 2. MUD is tier 2. High Tide (while one of my favorite decks) is like, tier 80.

>>49041303
painter players are more likely misanthropes than autists. I honestly feel like painter should be on the flowchart in this thread under "who do you hate -> my opponent"

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Where were you when Miracles got BTFO?

>>49041841
Honestly I dislike Sneak and Show and Painter more than Miracles.

Does painter get any better with the new recruiter? Are more people going to pick it up now?

>>49041980

It does not because the new recruiter can't tutor painter (Painter has a toughness of 3, and the new recruiter searches for toughness 2 and less).

>>49042064
never knew that, always thought it was a 2/2
shows how much painter ive seen

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>>49041841
>>manaless dredge gets second place

kek

>>49042087

It's okay, I thought the same thing until someone pointed Painter's toughness to me. Still, I'd be interested in seeing what the new recruiter brings to the table as far as decks go.

>>49042142
it makes cephalid breakfast relevant

>>49042124
Honestly not that surprising with everyone having 1/3 of their sideboard set up vs Miracles, you just can't mull to that 1-of Cage and Surgical Extraction does close to nothing.

>>49042179

tell me more, I barely remember that deck.

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>>49042362
Kek, pretty good.

>>49042364
Cephalid already ran white for nomads so I figure that you can now replace nomads with shuko and run enlightened tutor instead of worldly tutor and then run the new recruiter in place of worldly tutor

>>49013292
>pay to win general

>>49013292
>Playing
Manaless Dredge

>Brewing
Nic Fit. More a case of slowly acquiring the parts and replacing proxies.

>Favourite Tier 2 and lower deck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwLJjBGzEE

>Spicy techs?
MD Garruck Relentless has gotten some funny looks so I guess he's a pretty mild spice?

>>49042777
just because you don't have a job doesn't mean you have to shitpost

>>49042414
>replace nomads with shuko and run enlightened tutor instead of worldly tutor and then run the new recruiter in place of worldly tutor
Does that even improve the deck?
You can't fetch Shuko with the new Recruiter, and you're still relying on the top-of-deck Enlightened Tutor so you aren't even gaining speed.

My first thought would be just swap Worldly Tutor for Recruiter, although I don't really know anything about the deck beyond what you can infer from a decklist.

Just looking at it I don't think it really fixes the deck's problems though. I'd guess the biggest issue is that your win condition takes up at least 8 card slots (4 narcomoeba, karmic guide, kiki-jiki, sky hussar, Dread Return) that are otherwise useless in addition to the 8 combo pieces.
Compared to Painter, which uses the same 8 cards for its combo as its win(painter+stone) it's combo package is twice as big.

You do get to be UW for cantrips/FoW though, and run a couple Therapies. I dunno.
Its definitely a really cool idea

>>49042777
>he believes this meme
Had me a chuckle.

>>49041515
I feel like the problem with making a tier list is that there are so many decks in Legacy that making a list of them is much harder to do than in a concentrated format like Standard or even Modern. Perhaps I'll start a spreadsheet on Googledocs and leave it open for updates.

>>49022776
I've thought about messing around with Prized Amalgam. How's it been playing out?

>>49043000
>need to have at LEAST x4 force of will in your deck
>not pay to win

>>49043435

Goblins doesn't run any force of wills and it won first on one of the recent Legacy tournies on MTGTop8.

Also Storm and Manaless Dredge don't run Force of Will and they did pretty well here >>49041841

>>49043487
There are only 2 force decks in that top 8. Pretty impressive.

>>49043435
>implying you need a playset of FoW to win matches in Legacy
>implying there aren't numerous Legacy decks that don't need or use FoW
It really isn't as bad as you think it is. If anything, your problem with "pay to win" cards should be the dual lands and fetch lands.

>>49043435
>Eldrazi
>DnT
>AnT
>Burn
>Dredge
>Using FoW

>>49043059
It's a slower Ichorid, the consensus is that it isn't really worth it

>>49042777
Who payed?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvseDNbzPtM
I don't wasted the shekels

>>49043754
It does improve your game vs Surgical Extraction and active DRS though, I'm thinking about cutting 1 Breakthrough and something else for 2 Amalgams in Quadlazer.

>>49043000
The problem is that although you can parse things out by how much play they see, metagaming is more important. If you take 12post to a room full of Miracles, you'll do really well. Similarly, if you take Delver to a room full of Blood Moon and Chalice, you'll have a bad time. Different decks can do much better than you'd expect if taken to the right meta

>>49043487
>>49043643
>>49043754
You guys do realize force of will is an example (my point was to make an exageration). The thing is, there are plenty of expensive must-have cards in your deck in Legacy, and without them you won't win a single match.

>>49044462
Except manaless dredge just came in second in a tournament
Everyone gets your point but you're still a faggot

>>49044493
>manaless dredge just came in second in a tournament
wow, they must really suck

>>49044462

>Good cards cost money because they are in high demand

oh wow amazing observation anon please keep gracing us with your incredible knowledge.

>>49044462
It's a known fact that Legacy is an expensive format; no one will contest you there. But by no means does running on a budget mean you're destined to lose every game you play. Yes, the best decks use the best lands, spells, and creatures. Why wouldn't they? But even in Modern there are budget decks that will win matches against big money decks like Jund and Affinity.

Here's a list of some Legacy decks and their average prices.

>Burn: $300 - $600 depending on fetchlands
>Goblins: $800 - $900
>Dredge: $250 - $700 depending on Manaless or LED
>Death and Taxes: $1000, give or take $100
>Reanimator: $600 - $1000 depending on the package run and manabase used
>Eldrazi: $1100 or less

If you're smart about the deck you play, Legacy isn't a very hard format to get into, nor is it a format that is pay to win. Neither is Modern. Vintage is most definitely pay to win; with access to the Power 9, you'd be foolish not to play them.

>>49019904
Seems like shilling

>>49044659
>good cards
you mean: necessary cards. If you don't have them, you lose, unlike other formats.

>>49044895
>unlike other formats

Remove the best cards from any deck and you're going to be at a significant disadvantage.

>>49044694
Why does arguing with idiots and flamers seem to appeal to so many people

>>49044937
Everyone on /tg/ is a pedantic autist, MTG threads in particular.

>>49043435
t. Typical standard faggot who doesn't want to play Legacy if it isn't the most expensive deck in the format.
Shardless has 10-90 vs Burn by the way.

>>49044895
Nigger, try winning a standard event right now without Liliana the Last Hope, Gideon Ally of Zendikar or Collected Company.
In contrast Legacy events are often won by "low tier" decks like Burn, Pox, Dredge, Goblins, etc.

Legacy's most valuable resource is metagaming. You are afraid to even try playing without a huge prize tag in your back you can posture about when you get fucked by format inexperience? That's your problem, not the format's problem.

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>>49044694
>Vintage is most definitely pay to win; with access to the Power 9, you'd be foolish not to play them.

>>49045305
Jacodrazi is a better example, cause dredge is kind of bad.

>>49045305

I don't know anything about Vintage, what's this about?

>>49045393

dredge is one of the format defining powerhouses of vintage. if you can't t1 combo it you will discard your hand and have hasted zombies swing at you for 40 damage by turn 2 very consistently. the power9 are all useless in this deck

>>49045544

Neato! It's kinda impressive that Dredge is a thing in Modern, Legacy, and Vintage.

>>49045393
Dredge is a very popular vintage deck right now. And probably the cheapest real deck in the format since it requires only a playset of bazaars, no power.

>>49045544
>>49045590
>>49045393
Most lists only run around $3000. Bazaar of Baghdad is a real pain in the wallet.

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Just built shardless after selling my modern jund crap. Will have storm completed after I get a Volc and 4x LEDs. Legacy is fucking sick. Never going back to modern

>>49045646
Good man.

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>>49045646

swag choice of decks there i like it

>>49045646
People don't believe me when I tell them how much better Legacy is compared to Modern. Their first reaction is always the knee-jerk about price. My response, of course, is to tell them that Dredge can be built for $250 if you don't use LEDs.

Welcome to club, and good pick of printing for Dark Ritual.

>>49045646
You should stick to one deck for the time being. It pays to be experienced with one deck in legacy.

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>>49045698
>good pick of printing for Dark Ritual.

I always prefer running the Rebecca Guay version, myself.

>>49045788
There's a crap ton of lands and aggro loam decks where I live. I want to have a combo option to counter that meta

>>49045876
7 moon Painter kills those decks

>>49045876
You sort of have to study storm in order to do well with it. Granted against Lands and Aggro Loam you just goldfish for the most part, but Storm isn't a deck you just play on the side, it's a deck you have to devote a lot of time to get good with it.

>>49045948
I'm a former infect player so I like the depth of play that combo provides. BUG feels like same old jund but with killer card selection and card draw.

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Is maverick worth buying into? I have enchantress, but want to try other decks, preferably ones with similar mana bases for obvious reasons.

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>>49045849
>>49045646
Not the best Dark Rituals though
That would be this one

>>49046101
Maverick is still a viable deck if that's what you're asking.

>>49045849
Favorite version. Mercadian Masques had great art. I also play MM Brainstorms.

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>>49046101
Its not a bad deck. It plays similarly to a modern type aggro deck just with the dark depths combo thrown in so its somewhat easy to learn. Has a rough time with fast combo decks.

>>49046170
What are my best outs to combo? I see thoughtseize in the board a lot. Anything else?

>>49046285
Probably GSZ for Canonist, not too familiar with Maverick lists though

>>49046285
pray you're not dead before you can play a thalia

>>49046285
Probably a lot of Thoughtseize and tax cards like Thalia and Gaddock Teeg

>>49043772
Every fucking time. The Shardless art is upside fucking down and this video still gets posted.

>>49043754
I thought as much, interesting mechanic but not really what we're after. It seems kind of hard to kill on demand for zombie tokens and doesn't have any same-turn damage through haste or Flayer of the Hatebound.

>>49046285
That depends on the combo. You can Swords any creature combo piece that isn't Emrakul, use Ethersworn Canonist against Storm, Abrupt Decay any problematic enchantments... Like the other anons said, targeted discard should do some good work. I don't know if new Thalia is good or not, but I could see that as a way to slow things down.

The problem with combo against Maverick is there's nothing to out-value. They hit their pieces and either win (Storm, Lands) or advance the board beyond the point of recovery (Show and Tell, Elves). And it's not that Maverick loses to permanents, big fatties aside, it really loses to spells because there's nothing to fight against.

>>49046440
I'm new to to the format and not really sure how lands works. I see one decklist here that runs armageddon in the side, I'm assuming for that? Also are they any other silver bullets I can tutor with GSZ to hopefully ease the combo matchup?

I just built reanimator with proxy lands and FoWs.

How likely am I to actually win with this deck in a competive scene?

>>49046285
No deck is fully prepared for everything, if there was one perfect answer everyone'd be playing it. You just have to accept that and know your best options for your weaker match ups. It isn't really worth adding a bunch of cards to your 75 just to be a jack of all trades, master of none.

>>49046532
Lands works by comboing Thespian's Stage with Dark Depths. When this happens, Stage enters the battlefield without any Ice counters on it, so when you sacrifice it because of the Legendary land clause, you get a free 20/20 Marit Lage token. It relies on using Life from the Loam to get your lands into the graveyard while controlling the board with Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale. You can fetch any land you want using Crop Rotation and sometimes using Gamble, and even if the land you want is put into the graveyard, you can get it back with Life from the Loam.

Sub-combos include Punishing Fire + Grove of the Burnwillows, and I've seen one deck running a singleton copy of Worm Harvest. The best out to beating Lands is to Swords their Marit Lage. Dropping Armageddon may help, but remember, they still have Life from the Loam to help them reassemble the combo and finish you off, so beat them fast.

>>49046589
pretty high, it's a good deck

>>49046440
>Abrupt Decay any problematic enchantments
Except for, you know, Sneak Attack and Omniscience.

>>49046589
just cross your fingers you have more fows/dazes on your opening hand than your opponent. pray you dodge dnt

>>49046589
Depends, how well do you know the deck? Do you have a decent understanding of the other popular decks' plans and weaknesses? What do people play in the area usually play? So many decks are viable in legacy that almost anything's capable of winning given the right circumstances and pilot.

Any thoughts of Throne of the High City as a sideboard card?

>>49046605
Yeah I realize that. I just wanted to know the general options and strategies for the weaker matchups (and what those matchups are), and considering my lack of experience or knowledge of other decks, it makes gathering pieces for a potential sideboard all the more daunting. While ultimately my SB has to be adjusted to my local meta, I'd want to know what the more generic pieces would be.

>>49046607
Would surgical extraction be useful in that matchup? If so, targets? I'd think loam or tabernacle.

>>49046645
I think if these hit the field it falls under the "advance the board beyond recovery" thing he was talking about.

>>49046532
>I see one decklist here that runs armageddon in the side, I'm assuming for that?
Lands can beat armageddon. You need a clock to establish a clock. Against lands Knight of the Reliquary actually does a lot of work.

>>49046892
> You need a clock to establish a clock
You need to establish a clock for it to be meaningful*
Jesus Christ.

>>49046772
Does monarchy work in non-conspiracy settings?

>>49046954
It does
I can see drawing an extra card at the end of every turn a bit helpful

>>49046830
You've got plenty of options. In your spare time browse some primers for the most popular decks in your area to get a feel for how they tick, watch matches online, proxy some up and playtest them, or just ask people at your LGS for help/advice, (unless you've got a bunch of dicks locally) the MtG community is generally pretty friendly and open. Another really good way to force yourself to learn Legacy/test yourself is to run Cabal Therapy or read up on how its used if you don't run black.

>>49046954
The only really big Conspiracy card I remember making waves in Legacy was Council's Judgment.

>>49046830
>>49047037
This article is old, but it should help with learning Cabal Therapy.

http://www.channelfireball.com/home/legacy-weapon-therapy-session/

Also, Surgical may help slow them down (removing Dark Depths is a good way to force them to fall back on Punishing Fire), but ultimately I feel your best chance against Lands is to beat them before they can combo.

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>>49045646
>>49045849
>>49046130
This is the superior Dark Ritual Art

>>49046297
GSZ doesn't get canonist. You GSZ for Gaddock Teeg

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>>49047288
Pls

>>49047323
If there was a more modern prinitng with that art I would probably use it but I ain't paying for A/B rits and I ain't using no white bordered trash.

>>49047323
nah dawg. Ice Age>Masques>Judge>ABUR>the rest

>>49047319
>gsz only gets green creatures
Well I feel retarded now.

>>49047319
>gsz is green creatures only
Well now I feel retarded. Time to tech in a copy of Painter's Servant on green.

>>49047288
>>49047323
my niggas

>>49047352
they're like 13-20 dollars for betas, not too bad

>>49047352
>I ain't using no white bordered trash

Ahhh, I don't mind the white borders myself. A lot of my basic lands have white borders because I want to make every sure every land has a different piece of art on it.

>>49047729
I just like things to be uniform, and black bordered cards look better.

I'm not made of money though so the decks I run duals in I also run white bordered basics. Thus, all the fetchable lands are white bordered and the non-fetchable ones are black bordered. That's enough for my OCD.

>>49047779
>I'm not made of money though so the decks I run duals in I also run white bordered basics. Thus, all the fetchable lands are white bordered and the non-fetchable ones are black bordered. That's enough for my OCD.
I too share that autism

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>turn one chalice

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>>49047937

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>>49047917
>look at the price of Beta duals
>weep a single tear knowing that my decks will never be truly beautiful

>>49047975
>not buying proxies

>supporting Wizard's shit vicegrip on expensive cards

>>49047937
aggro loam really should be called chalice on 1

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>>49047937
>Turn 1 Trinisphere
Suck it Delver players

>>49047975
I know your pain. I guess you can always look into foreign black bordered duals at some point?

>>49047975
cant you just alter and paint the white border?

What kind of basics does everyone use, I love my euro lands (purple). As far as Plains and Islands go.

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>>49048280
I'm ever so glad you asked.

>>49048280
>playing basics
what is this, 1999?

>>49048373
Have fun dealing with price of progress friend. Also how else am I going to get more blue sources if I only need blue not U/x

>>49048353
where's that mountain from?

i dont like the island, the rest is beautiful but the modern frame sucks dick, i'd probably alter them

>>49048353
>Core set lands
I love the art on some of them but the set symbol just ruins them.

>>49048280
I'm an unglued man myself, but I have to play snow-covered in legacy for into the north.

>>49048418
Mountain is 5th Edition (variation 3 on gatherer). My actual favorite island is 4th Edition (variation 3 on gatherer) but I haven't updated this since I regular'd the EDH threads.

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>>49048280
Nic Fit player so I run plenty of them. Nottingham Forests, Lake District Swamps and Scottish Highlands Plains. I'm English with family in Scotland so they're a really nice touch of home for me.

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>>49048353
Updated with better cropping and source images.

>>49048577
Those are some gorgeous villas, mate. I especially like that Forest.

>>49048144
If you don't mind bumping down the card's rating to damaged and having to talk to the judge about your alters before every tournament.

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>>49048635
I might get some more for my Pauper Delver as an excuse to use Dover Islands. Euro and APAC basics are easily my favourites. Shame no British Mountain was printed (which was fair enough since the UK's the most represented) but they've decided not to include real-world stuff in art/name/flavour text any more so I'll never get one to round out the set.

>>49048927
i imagine dumping down will cost much less than buying a beta. also, if it looks just as good (which im not sure if an alter would), then you dont need another dual anyway.
the alter judge thing should take no more than 5 mins, it doesnt come even close to breaking alter rules: it's simple, doesnt cover name/abilities.

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Some pics just to represent the lands I prefer to use. My favourite mountain is however, alpha mountains and all the 10th edition mountains. Don't usually play with a whole lot of forests but this euro one isn't my favourite

>>49049047
But it messes with the borders, and judges are very anal about alters that touch the borders like expanded art because it "marks" cards.

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>>49048280
I run two of these, signed, in my Elves.

>>49049348
yeah but
sleeves

>>49049365
>signed
you were doing so well

>>49049446
My whole deck is signed :^)

>>49048280
Snow Covered Ice Age plains

>>49041841
That list is confused about what it wants to be.

>>49049803
Legends miracles kind of sucks, and this runs all the bad parts of that with even more 4 drops. Cutting a plow for a jace seems terrible.

>>49041841
>playset of Jace but no Swords
>cavern of souls
>24 lands
I'm not much of a Miracles player, but even I can tell this list has some pretty big issues. Why am I just seeing this now?

>>49042362
no one ever talk about canadian highlander. i dont have a suitable image macro

>>49050003
Just get a picture of the 6 people that play the format

>>49050003
What even is Canadian Highlander?

>>49050028
so alix stacy, cam Lauder, and 4 other people as far as i know

>>49050003
What even is Canadian Highlander?

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>>49050072
think Regular highlander, only with a point system

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>>49048280
Best Plains coming through.

>>49047352
Yeah you'd be a real pleb to lay down an Imperial Seal, how trash would that be. Poorfag.

>>49050184
I want Imperial Seal just to have for collection and occasional placement in a monoblack EDH deck or two.

>>49013292
>Playing
Esper Death Blade (with 4 True Names)
>Brewing
Nothing
>Favorite Tier 2 and lower deck
Grixis Tezzerator because it can crush unprepared metas and has lots of spice built in. The runner up would mono white soldier stompy.
>Spicy techs?
Not sure yet. maybe a singleton Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver to mess with brainstorms, and ponders.

>>49016863
Miracles. You are part of the 20% of the meta that goes to time.

No matter how small the event. I have seen Miracles mirror in a 12 man local tournament and surprise surprise it went to turns.

>>49050356
Well in the mirror I play fast and hard, I don't like going to turns either. As for the other Matchups like, miracles SHOULD be played hard and fast instead of playing around your opponent (there is always exemptions from this rule). And I ONE HUNDRED FUCKING PERCENT GUARANTEE that so many idiots go to time is becuase they sucks with top and brainstorm, and that they shuffle each time like it's the start of the Match and that takes up so much fucking time. I've actually called a judge on my opponent before for taking to long to shuffle my deck and he was right pissed after the miracles guy called out an aggro player on taking too much time. And yes, before you say something to refute me the deck does go to time more than others and it's inevitable, fucking git gud and kill me fast so I don't take forever to kill you.

FYI for all you folks who don't have a whole lot of experience with the deck or the format, I cannot stress enough how important it is to practice the deck online or with friends. A sanctioned event is not the place to learn your deck. You will piss everyone else off because of your inexperience and it is those people (and those shits that shuffle decks for too long) that give the deck this terrible rep.

>>49050726
>those shits that shuffle decks for too long
Jesus, I hate these people. I've watched them on streams and it makes me twinge. How hard is it to just shuffle your deck three to four quick times and pass to your opponent for a cut or another three to four quick shuffles?

You cut your deck in half, shuffle it in, and repeat it three to four times. Then you pass it to your opponent and they repeat. That's all you need. You know what I hate worse? People who pile shuffle MIDGAME.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. THIS ISN'T THE START OF THE MATCH. JUDGE! ICE THIS SCRUB! GET HIM OUTTA HERE!

I've been playing painter all night
This shit is really fucking boring to play

>>49051060
Yes. Probably one of the most boring decks in the format.

>>49051060
Play a fun, interactive deck like Dredge, Death and Taxes, Stoneblade, or Miracles. Painter is only fun when it's done on paper, and even then it's pretty boring, like watching monoblue Show and Tell pre Dig Through Time ban.

>>49051201
I do play Dredge, I've just testing out other decks to see what they're like because whenever I play a deck for a while I get this urge to another deck really bad
I've been playing DnT, Painter, Eldrazi, and Maverick, and Dredge and ANT are still my favorite decks in the format.

>Wizards considers Library at Alexandria the most powerful land in magic
I'm not crazy in thinking Bazaar is far more broken, right?

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>Wizards Will never make another infect block again
>Wizards will never make a good sliver block again
Why does every other set under the sun get a reprint except the fun stuff?

>>49051452
Agreed; unban Academy.

>>49051730
>>49051452
If we're talking about broken lands, for SURE the most broken land is Tolarian Academy. I've always wanted to use one in a deck but it's banned in literally everything except Vintage. Feels bad man.

>>49043059
I've really been liking it.
Doesn't speed up the goldfish a whole lot, but my meta is mostly fair, so it makes the deck more able to win via the beatdowns.

>>49043487
TFW that recent legacy tourny was a local event I couldn't go to
TFW guy who won played Goblins as a joke because he's given up on the thought that the deck isn't terrible
He actually ID'd in the finals and agreed on a 40-60 prize split so Gobs could get the #1 spot

>>49051862
I like this guy... he's going places

>>49051892
Sadly for him, those places are still in Australia.

>>49052089
Jesus, he truly is in he'll. I knew it couldn't be real, goblins winning something HA!

>>49052112
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=13196&d=277308&f=LE
This is what he's been playing recently
Also: Another legacy event locally where Goblins performed well.

11 copies of Rishadan Port in the top 4 of that event too, and only 1 unfair deck.

>>49052183
Oh god that's oddly disgusting yet beautiful at the same time , Keep It Up aussies

>>49052221
That event, I think there was actually only 3 unfair decks, out of 12 players
Storm (3rd)
UB DepthStill
Manaless Dredge (me)

>>49051862
>agreed on a 40-60 prize split so Gobs could get the #1 spot
collusion breh

>>49052417
It's not collusion if you ID, and then afterwards decide on who gets how much of the prizes.

>>49051763
Time to make that vintage affinity deck you always wanted.

>>49052902
Its called Tiny Robots and its the most fun deck in the format

>>49045605
Bazaars set you back 2k easily though

>>49046589
Depends on the meta a lot. Funnily, I played reanimator at a local event, and I was literally the only one not playing Miracles.

It was pretty rough for me (I misplayed too, which cost me some games).

>>49046772
Seems slow, which deck would even want this?

>>49050925
It depends, sometimes I like to thoroughly shuffle midgame. I've never actually seen someone pile shuffle midgame though.

>>49054537
It does depend but honestly, most of the time the deck just needs a couple days shuffles, especially after I fetch. I really don't need you spending 30 seconds everytime one of us shuffles a deck

>>49054739
>couple days
Couple OF , ffs auto correct is aids

>vs Sneak & Show (Sneak & Tell?)
>Play Ensnaring Bridge
>FoW
>Show and Tell
>Lose

>Next turn keep Bridge in hand as answer to Show and Tell
>Sneak Attack
>Lose
fuck am I supposed to do

>>49055167
Guess? Ask yourself which one would be worse?

>>49055217
>Would I rather lose to a Sneak attack Emrakul or a Show and Tell Emrakul
You tell me?

>>49055328
Well sometimes sneak requiring 2 more mana is important if you're pressuring your opponent and for the other way sometimes showing doesn't actually do enough (karakas or pressure once again).
If they're the same, then sure, just guess.