When the elves and their friends takes over

I don't know man, it's elves. We could be independent ("in revolt") for a hundred years at a time and as long as we were not so at least 60% of the time from the beginning of this situation until the apocalypse, they'd just consider them temporary states of revolt given their lifespans.

>>48994596
>Allies with Much larger Dwarven Under Empire
>Elves butchered back to their forests.
>Forests burned.

>>48995491
I actually like that.
Humans: For generations the colonies have live independent lives thanks to the rebellion 150 years ago. Then they came back to retake our lands!

Elf: So i sail up the cost to a backwater kingdom and they're bleating on about how they are free from our rule. Gave them a good thrashing I did, then collected the taxes and went home.

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Peasants won't care, as long as their lives are okay. The nobles may think otherwise, but without the smallfolk they will have a hard time trying to wage war.

and now a population of my elves in campaign will be 1800's brits, saving the world from it's self with their innate elfness and sailing out into the blue to find more things for Queen and country.

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>>48995648
So I can easily see the Human Kingdoms being like the Zulu, underestimated by the arrogant Elves/British and handing them a defeat, but ultimately defeated in the long run because you're still a regional power fighting against a global superpower.

But who would be their China? The tea? The East India Company?

>>48995701
Hmmm... Well tea in itself is part of the image, i think, so already part of Brelf society. I kinda like the country which the PC's are in the China. The real question is...what is the Opium they are forcing on the Chinese stand ins?

Brelfs would also explain Elf as class! (sorry, refugee from osrgeneral) Just as the British navy held up one image as what an officer should be, Brelves are expected to conform to an image as well. An image of gish...

>>48995760
Some kind of alchemical or magical drug being produced by one of their other colonies/client states would be the easiest way to go about it. Something that's addictive or that can be produced cheaply but that the humans will want/need to buy.

The tea monopoly should be cloaked in secrecy, perhaps a plant that does not do well with magical alteration, and therefore must be grown the old-fashioned, non-magical way.

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>>48995760
>what is the Opium they are forcing on the Chinese stand ins?
Skooma?

>>48995837
Brilliant! of course, the issue i have with bringing in one real world culture is that there is an urge to bring in several cultures from the same time period. Then you end up with "TEH EARTH, but with x as y".

>>48995522
>Elves are just forest hillbillies in his setting
What's the fucking point? Can't be a dying race if you were never important, can't be haughty if you have nothing to be proud of.

>>48994596
That's cool. I'll just fuck off and adventure for awhile, get to a ridiculously high level, then come back, slaughter them, become king (crowned by my own hand) and rename the kingdom Aquilonia. That last one? Mostly to see everyone else's face twitch.

I think a more interesting scenario is kinda like Earthdawn, but with the Elves as the Therans, trying to reconquer their massive empire after the magical apocalypse. Always there, always a threat, always able to wreck you if they had time to focus all their attention on you.

>>48998800
Checked fampai.

Your answer is the best answer

>>48998800
Nice trip dubs

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>>48994596
Oh yeah, there's nothing I like more than dying to install some aristocrat cucks I've never met on a throne I've never seen so that they can tax me for half of my income.

Who cares who the nobles are? I have shit to do man.

>B-b-but we can establish a democracy or a
No. 90% of democracies have always been shit. It's mob rule. We're a bunch of illiterate peasants, what are we going to do, write a constitution? With what, our own shit? Just fuck off rabblerouser, I'm going to go grow some pears.

>We'll call the dwarves!
Oh, the autistic artisan autocrat society, that's great there's nothing I like more than inviting in a bunch of drunken Socialists to run my country for me, that's worked out great every time we've tried it, while we're at it let's call ourselves the Kulaks and start digging the mass graves now.

No. Fuck you. Get out of my house, or I will call Lord Sylvandyl and tell him it's you who keeps leaving wood planes on his doorstep.

>>48994596
Who cares who the higher ups are, as long as I can keep my family, my propriety and my job I don't give a rat's tail who "owns" the land.

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>>48994596

SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS, YOU KNIIIIIIIIIIIFE EAAAAAAAARS!

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>>48999314

>Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
>Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
>Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
>Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
>Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
>Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
>The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
>No one ever said elves are nice.
>Elves are bad.

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>>48999314
>His King is a Thalmor Asset
You really showed 'em, dipshit.

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>>48994596

They go through the surviving royal family until they find an eligible suitor and get him/her hitched to some elf brat of appropriate age and temperament from their own second-tier nobility and mercilessly kill off (or mercifully imprison) all other serious claimants to the throne.

In a few decades a half-elf now rules the country, and nothing significant changes. The half elf princeling also has a bonus to diplomacy.

This means integration takes maybe fifty or more years, but that's not long at all. On the plus side you now have a ruler who thinks in a longer timescale than mortals, and less frequent succession (meaning less civil wars).

On the minus side, gods know what strange gods and taxes they have lined up for you.

>>48995760
Lambas bread.

>>48994596
just stick with it

in time, humans will outnumber pointy-ears on such a ridiculous scale that they will either get crushed no matter how many arrows they can shoot or have to fiddle with magic so powerful that they will destroy themselves in the process

>>48999939
>gods know what strange taxes they have lined up for you.
200% of a years income if a household member dies?

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>>49000217
Or the elves run the human kingdom in such a way as to trigger demographic transition - introducing old age support and protections against infant mortality, contraception and geriatric care.

Then suddenly the human population is shrinking too, because that's what happens when you improve standard of living.

You don't think elves are just 'ZOMG infertile cos small dicks' do you? Their population shrinks and they don't live in their own shit (well, high elves don't, presumably backward ass wood elves just get driven off their lands/enslaved/etc) like most medieval cultures. Coincidence - I think not.

>>49000235

Really depends on how arbitrary your new overlords are. Getting conquered generally sucks, but life sucks generally. You can run a 2 year income death tax and have it work, but you'd soon end up with the poor in even greater debt than usual.

Which might be intentional.

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>>49000264
>elves are jews

in that case, we are doomed

>>49000289
It's possible (likely!) that like most imperialists they won't give a shit about introducing those things and so the human population will continue to expand, though.

And then, yes, it's exactly like the Gaza Strip, because if they're occupying you they can do all sorts of things to make rebellion hard, and make sure the local human elite merchants and nobles buy in (and in a few generations they'll be half-elves).

Or they could be dark elves in which case they probably start gelding 90% of human males to deal with this problem or something else equally insane.

>>48995576
Inciting plebs to die for them is what nobels do and they have alot of experience.

>>48996112
Well' Its not unrealistic. See: fucking phillipines

I for one, welcome our elven overlords.

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>>49000365

They also have a lot of experience in succumbing to the king, or the local potentate. When given the choice between, and let's say our elvish imperialists are being civilized, contracting a marriage ten years in the future for their heir, or a mandatory 200 year holiday in the Elven High King's Estate of Sighing Vale of Loss, while someone else is appointed to administer their lands in the name of the High King, most will go 'why yes, we would love to, how gracious of you. We've been teaching him elvish already don't you know!"

Nobles that won't bow to superior power tend not to survive long. Remember, every non-Sovereign noble family has many, many generations of ancestors who have bent the knee over and over again for people they might not particularly like.

>>49000965

And if the taxes get too bad from the Elves or anti-Elf nobles raising warfunds, merchants might back a rival member of the nobility to kill the current ruling clique of nobles, take over as king, and make the loathsome merchants he reluctantly accepted warfunds from into the new ruling clique of nobles.

>>49001409

Yes. Such is the way of things. But the notion of a nation state or racialist state is not that important in a medieval society - men and elves can interbreed, at least in D&D which means that there's no reason not to buy in with the elven conquerors.

The situation given in the thread is that the elven alliance is confident enough to say 'give up your crown or else' assuming they're not morons, this means they're very powerful indeed, and can keep leveraging that advantage.

Stupidity happens every day (you never know the direction a fool may approach from!) but all things being equal a conqueror will try and integrate the mechanisms of power in a conquered state under their own banner; hence Indian Princely states, the Normans intermarrying with surviving Saxon nobles, and Russian Princes getting their prince permits (!) from the Mongols.

Rebellions certainly happen, but most peasant uprisings throughout history (particularly pre-printing press history) have failed, and hiring someone to assassinate the whole Imperial Court is much riskier than finding a prince who'll lower taxes for the right inducements and installing him, while the system continues.

>>48994596
They killed the king/queen, there can never be peace, even if the remaining political representatives sign a thousand treaties.

>>49001409

Also the notion of out and out merchant takeover is really verging into early modern historical assumptions (the likes of Venice aside), certainly possible, but there's no reason the merchant class won't include substantial numbers of elves and half elves; they do have longer between the reins of any family enterprise changing hands, which means more time to educate your idiot son so he doesn't fuck up the trade.

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>>49001590

Why? As mentioned, you just find an excuse by relation that makes you or someone of your choice the new king.

Pic related.

The nation-state is a modern concept.

Why would a peasant care whether or not the douchebag ruling over him dies and gets replaced by another douchebag? (honest question, my knowledge on how all these ye olde time medieval societies is a bit shit)

>>49001676
Honour, vengeance and loyalty are rather more ancient beasts however. Don't ever mistake people as operators of a historical process acting in their own enlightened self-interest for they will surprise and frustrate you.

>>49001815
Because everyone being part of the social contract has an understanding that people who break it are bad news even if that's not necessarily true.
Because they my have liked the old ruler's character and policies.

>>49001839

Enlightened self interest - what? As I mentioned upthread there's a decent chance that like most empires they'll fuck it up - most empires fall because of apathy and poor administration.

Certainly unceasing revolt is actually so extremely rare that I can't think of one of note. While you'll get some loyalists and pretenders, knocking off a king and replacing him can be done, has been done, and is very plausible.

What we know about our elves in this scenario is that they're large (an alliance) and inclined to conquest. The fact they're long lived is the only aspect of elfiness relevant to that really - the pointy ears and flowery language don't matter much.

You could maybe argue that they'll come with a religion that's incompatible with the locals and that will cause jihad against the elves, but assuming ye-regular D&D with nonjudgemental polytheism it will not be too much of a problem.

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>>49001839

I forgot my picture of how most loyalist 'previous dynasty' pretenders end up. Here you go.

>>49002101
>As I mentioned upthread
Do you know what an anonymous image board is?

I was replying to a two post chain where the only thing I have to go on is you telling someone they should just go find a new king and not take it too seriously.

>>49002398

Anonymous it may be, but you can read the thread and not reply to the latest post with content already discussed upthread; you might miss some relevant content otherwise!

>>49002420
But I did read the thread I just took exception to what appeared to be a casual dismissal of pride and loyalty with,
>just find an excuse by relation that makes you or someone of your choice the new king.
when that really had nothing to do with the idea of an individual's outrage at idea of the regime change or a crime committed upon the kingdom.

The tide of history goes this way or that but saying an individual will not go do the foolhardy thing and kill or die for something they believe in just comes across as condescending.

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>>49002735

However, successful conquests following the death of a king in battle are actually not that uncommon - I'd hesitate to say the norm - and saying 'but muh loyalty and eternal hate' is far from the only way for it to go down, nor in fact typical.

The condescension is a feature not a bug.

>>49002876
Wait so I'm saying the cold adaptation isn't the only response and you're saying that "muh rubellion" isn't he only response.

What the fuck are we even arguing about?

>>48994596
Rebels ally with the other, possibly dark, elves who hate the ruling elves.

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>>49002993

A misinterpretation I think. History's complex and predictions are a crapshoot.

It depends on the cultures involved and the events and economics. If this is an invasion of dark elves demanding everyone worship Lolth and institute female supremacy then there would be a lot more resistance than pragmatic invaders who say 'hey, how about you join in our ruling class and oh yeah your kids will live to 185.'

And there's endless other more complex factors but really, any thread without specifics is spitballing.

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>>49003173
>A misinterpretation I think.
Seems so, have a nice day.

You godless heathen.

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>>49003214

>You godless heathen.

Nonsense.

>>48994596
>What's next to come?
A spike in the local half-elf population

>>48994596
Heh how funny, I've made a story at last week's storythread with inspiration from the same pic OP used.

The fic I wrote is basically a ww1 type setting where some bumfuck medieval high-fantasy continent gets BTFO'd by a superior elven-human democratic alliance.

Story's right

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Also figured it'd be relevant to this thread :p

>>49002101
>Certainly unceasing revolt is actually so extremely rare that I can't think of one of note.

There's a singular case that I know of, and it's an interesting one. Look up the Moros of the Philippine islands. They have, since around the year 1400 or so, when Magellan made contact, been in a state of rebellion pretty much non-stop.

Their current incarnation is the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, aka MILF. They're tenacious bastards for sure. The ones who were mentioned in that apocryphal story about the development of .45 ACP and the 1911 handgun.

>>48994596

Heh. There is something fun about the idea of Elven fascists hell bent on world domination. Calculating, ancient, beautiful people callously enacting brutality on a world they see as savage. Forcing everyone into their strict mold of social order and conduct. You know, they aren't gassing people in camps but their are carrying out a campaign of brutal conformity.

I might use this as a setting.

Where were you when mein elves blitzkrieged your untermensch hamlet?

>>49000541
What about them? When did the Philippines invade Japan or China?

>>48995576
Not hard getting the peasants to die for you especially if their new masters are foreign assholes. See the Saxons constantly rebelling against William I.

>>48999891
>>49000365

...This explains a lot.

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>>49004635
Not a bad setting anon. Also I guess you used WW1 as a basis for that story and setting thanks to Battlefield 1 right?

Also I believe Manny's story is a great outcome for OP's scenario >>48994596

Ruled by democratic humans and elves and not a bunch of lazy monarchs? Noice!

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>>48995522
>dwarves

>>48995572
>Elf: So i sail up the cost to a backwater kingdom and they're bleating on about how they are free from our rule. Gave them a good thrashing I did, then collected the taxes and went home.

I doubt Elves are that lazy with their tax collection, in fact I imagine they're quite brutal about that sort of thing.

I would adore a sci-fi or even fantasy setting where Humanity are subjects to a greater empire, only the empire is neither totally benevolent nor malicious.

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>>49011390
I agree, not to mention I doubt elves would ever be like British people. That I'm sure we can all agree on, right /tg/?

We can all safely say that elves will never be/or will always be far superior than Britbongs.

>>49004635
Also I like this dude's setting. Ideal human-elven alliance, plus them being a democratic government-type organization, to me is a new one.

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>>48994596

>>48995522
>dwarven anything
>large
Das kyoot

>>48999891
No one ever said elves are bad, either.