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Did people collectively forget about the Psicrystal Augmented playtest as well?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14xiRRju0zPb62Q2Q3Jqpqr8tosELq8I5kJcFm5YilLo/edit#

It got all of two posts about it when it first appeared.

>>48990329
No, we just didn't mentioning because the playtest content is shit and psicrystals are shit.

>>48990288
What are some jokes for galorion?

Here's what came up in play.

"It is extremely easy to beat Rovagug... in Jenga."

>>48990288
I've never liked angels. I prefer to play a good character that does good yet tells angels and gods to screw off. Not necessarily a jerk about it, but unwilling to bend to any particular divine agenda.

Playing an old man unsworn shaman. Going for massive versatility. Any ideas for good feats/items?

>>48990366

A centaur walks into an inn and the innkeeper says, why the long face? The innkeeper is dead now...

>>48990367

I like angels because once in a while it's refreshing to meet a powerful outsider that doesn't want to suck my soul out through my duck.

>>48990493
No, an angel will just ask you to "donate" it to the cause of good.

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>>48990493
Are angels who want to hold hands and do other lewd things because they love you OK though?

>>48990360
Psicrystals are great.
Scouting utility that doesn't penalize you when they get accidentally killed, ignores magical darkness and silence, a few very neat combos with certain powers, and a second voice when roleplaying.
Also unlike familiars, available to any psionic class (need to take a trait for some) and multiclassing between psionic classes doesn't stunt their progression.

The Psicrystal augmented material is kinda underwhelming though, yeah. But fixing starts with feedback.

>>48990542

Yesssss, those are the absolute best.

Nothing quite so pure as a Paladin loving the celestial in his sword.

>>48990493
>Never played Monstergirl Quest

>>48990542
That's what the unseen servant spell is for. They do whatever you say, they can't talk, and if your dm doesn't allow that, there's not much he can say to prevent mage hand from working.

>>48990559
>>48990542

>Nothing quite so pure as a Paladin loving the celestial in his sword

>they're always holding hands in battle
>He oils her up and sharpens her figure at camp

>>48990601
Basically, the whole reason I play a wizard is to find the most insane usage of spells ever. My dm let me make a spell to bestow sentience and the ability to move to tiny pebbles. I them proceeded to create thousands of them and fill a bag of holding with them. When I ran out of ideas I'd empty the bag.

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>>48990607
LEWD! TOO LEWD!

>>48990542

Anon please, don't do this to me, my DM never includes angels in his campaign.

>post art from a popular MtG card
>call it Pathfinder general

Fuck you, OP.

Normal relationships?

>>48990646
I assume they would try to kill you on account of you imprisoning them in a bag of holding.

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Is this the new EDH general?

>>48990669
One of my DM's let a player be a succubus. My wizard had to explain to her that drider's don't have normal mammalian sex organs... sadly she found rope and rolled a nat 20...

>>48990658

I haven't talked about working the scabbard or pommel yet!

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>>48990288

So, This day on Arodus 25th, Sheyln herself came down to Magnimar and Married off half the party to each other after they beseeched her for her blessing.

So i basically gave them the effects of Heroes' Feast for a full week.

Balanced?

>>48990677
They possessed only rudimentary intelligence and I convinced them I was there god. I made the first of my creations there leader and bestowed him the holy name of GEOffrey. I only kept them in the bag for transport, they had a whole biology I forget about but ya.

>>48990672
Art is art, stop bitching.

>>48990695
Nah, you want >>48982780 though they just hit bump limit.

>>48990748
Probably shouldn't have used an actual deity at a level where Heroes' Feast is still relevant.

>>48990748

I think we need a little more information, like the party members and what caused them to get married by a goddess.

Sounds balanced though, Heroes' Feast is good but it's not overpowered.

>last thread
>pregnancy
>humans in golarian are totally the same as humans on earth
Humans on golarain have very little sexual dimorphism it seems.

>>48990677
In their defence I did create them so it doesn't make much of a jump to believe I was some sort of divine being, especially since I was basically their only form of reproduction and food. I was a benevolent false-god.

>>48990803

What class is the best for being impregnated? I assume Oracle or perhaps Warpriest for solid Fort, good Wisdom and access to divine spells.

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So when the Cloud domain's Thundercloud states

> This power functions as fog cloud except that creatures inside the cloud are deafened and take 2d6 points of electricity damage each round from the flashes of thunder and lightning.

Is that in addition to what fog cloud does, or is that instead of what fog cloud usually does?

>>48990837

See, I would actually expect a high-Fort class to be less good for being impregnated. Most miscarriages are the result of an immune response on a hair trigger, a less powerful immune system is preferable for bringing the child to term.

>>48990776

Well basically, Long Story Short, They're kinda celebrities at the moment in the Hereafter.

They became the first mortals to overcome the most degenerative condition in the world of Soul Sundering. Where their soul is split apart and mungled in such a way where they cant even pass on when they die. Its complete cessation of existence. Not even a recyling through the Maelstrom into a new soul. just poof, nothing.

In addtion to that, they've done a number of good things for Celestials in Sheyln's employ. So when they decided to get married and asked for a blessing from her. she decided to do the ceremony herself.

However she did screw up. It was originally two pairs getting married. When she actually just married them as a poly-amorous group.

>>48990837
>What class is the best for being impregnated? I assume Oracle or perhaps Warpriest for solid Fort, good Wisdom and access to divine spells.
Depends on the baby. If it's a normal child I'd say it doesn't make much difference unless your dm is a dick and makes you roll for possible death by childbirth. If it's some sort of zombie baby or alien chest burster. I'd suggest that next time you cast protection from pregnancy or maybe an enchanted sheath.

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>>48990288
>Angels and Aasimar edition

Are Azata and Azata-blooded kosher? Because someday I hope to be allowed to have a Lillend bard as a cohort

>>48990861
in addition to, I would assume.

>>48990837
Alchemist.

Just refluff the tumor familiar.

>>48990888
>>48990776
>>48990748


Oh its a party of A Hospitalar Paladin, Bladebound magus, Arcanist, Picaroon Swashbuckler and a Ninja.

>>48990888

Shelyn wouldn't do that, bro. Shelyn is a huge sweetie that would pair them off instead of make it a big ole poly-pile.

>>48990905

Lillends canonically do not have vaginas.

In fact most Azatas I imagine lack sex organs, with the sole exceptions of the Ghaele and that Irish fuckboy.

>>48990888
>she actually just married them as a poly-amorous group.

Ooooh no.

>>48990943

Well when the party was saying "Marry us! Marry Us!" She married them. Its their fault for not being specific.

Planning on using it so they discover the slip up, and have the next arc go to Shelyn's demesne to get an Annulment so they can get it fixed.

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>>48990957
Yes, and? I just think they're swell, that doesn't mean I'm looking to stick my dick in one.

>>48990928
Explain the tumor(baby)'s ability to meld back with the alchemist. Does it just crawl back up there? I have my doubts about the physical possibility of that.

On the subject of Aasimar...

If you could only have one alternate-heritage aasimar alongside the default version, which would it be and why?

>>48991018

Oh, sorry for the confusion! It's just, well we're in /pfg/, you know?

How fucked would a group be without a full caster in a campaign? Seems my party doesn't have one yet and I'm not exactly fond of playing them either, yet I feel we'll struggle without one.

>>48991044

The Angel-blooded so interested players can make the perfect paladin rather than the perfect cleric.

What sort of effect do you think casting magic would have on pregnancy? Or an Alchemist's various potions and shit? I sometimes just sit and think about stuff like that and I imagine it's just as autistic as it sounds.

>>48990978

Oh Yeah!!

>>48991072

Lets start broad and go with positive and negative energy.

Positive energy is just raw life energy if anything it might accelerate the gestation period.

And Negative energy might cause still birth.

>>48991046
I'm not totally against the idea, per-se, but the idea of having a celestial bard backing you up is intrinsically cool. Especially for like, a Chosen One Paladin, or Destined Eldritch Scion, homebrewed to not be ass

Please tell me about your adventures involving the Dark Tapestry!

>>48991202

Abusing health potions risks turning your child into an Ethumion. Not necessarily a bad thing!

Would regenerate restore your hymen?

>>48990957
Aren't like, all Outsiders a bunch of fucking shapeshifters?

>>48991254

Dude, I love the idea of a Chosen One Paladin with a songbird familiar that turns out to be the avatar of a powerful Azata.

Play on, you beautiful diamond.

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>>48991202
>Negative energy might cause still birth.

Who told you this? Who spilled the beans?

>>48991028
>A living tumor familiar: okay
>At will unbirth: no that doesn't make sense

>>48990957
>with the sole exceptions of the Ghaele

The Ghaele is a being of raw light, I doubt she has a vagina unless she manifests one somewhere on her body.

>>48991063
Depends on the party comp. A party of 6th level casters is perfectly serviceable.

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Did someone say 'pregnancy'? Because I heard somebody saying 'pregnancy'.

>>48991444
>the you will never convert and purify a Drakania of her corrupt nature

>>48991444

Friendly reminder that Calistria's herald canonically enjoys impregnation as a fetish.

>>48991432
Right now we're looking at a brawler, an investigator, and a soul weaver. Been heavily considering Druid or Warlord, depending on what the party needs.

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>>48991340
I'd probably lean more towards a different class, just because I'm not a fan of only have 4th level spellcasting and only 2+Int skills. Though, if I were allowed to Gestalt Chosen One with something else? Especially with houseruled Eldritch Scion? Oh baby do I have a character I've been waiting to make an expy of.

>>48990861
Observing spells with similar language like Acid Fog, Cloudkill, Euphoric Cloud, Stinking Cloud and Cloud of Seasickness, you are correct - the Thundercloud ability simply adds the damage and deafening effect to the existing cloud. It should be noted that it states that 'this power functions as fog cloud', meaning it has every attribute thereof including range, duration, action required to activate the ability, and so forth as the spell, and also 'creatures inside the cloud' imply that there is still in fact a cloud as per the Fog Cloud spell, meaning it does limit visibility as well.

>>48991072
In 3.5 D&D, casting spells while pregnant could cause your baby to be born with sorcerer syndrome.

>>48991444
This was put in the bestiary just for the ERPers right? Nobody at Paizo could have been genuinely stupid enough to think his was anything other than fetish fuel?

Then again this is the company that made and printed what was essentially the 'Mask of Bestiality'.

>>48991485
>Calistria's herald

The giant fucking wasp?

>>48991784
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/monstrous-humanoids/thriae
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/alpluachra
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/plants/gro-kosh-pfu
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/spider-eater
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/aberrations/lunarma
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon/demon-oolioddroo
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/qlippoth/qlippoth-gongorinan
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/aberrations/wolf-in-sheep-s-clothing
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/gloomwing
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/gryph
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/vermin/botfly-giant
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/heralds/herald-of-passion
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/aberrations/phrenic-scourge
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/xill
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/plants/leaf-ray
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/aberrations/drakainia

>>48991872
This is exactly what I wanted to have on hand to show that this is a recurring issue, thanks anon.

>>48991899
I mean, it's a valid danger for some creatures...parisites and parasitic wasps. If it's not your fetish than it is instead a legit terrifying threat.

>>48991934
I usually make my parasites into regular diseases instead of literal oviposition fetishit, but to each their own.

>>48991872
So Alien's is fucking magical realm. There are bugs and parasites that lay eggs in the bodies of animals IN REAL FUCKING LIFE. Nothing really fetishy about it unless they stick it up their ass.
>>48991444
I never got why people flip out about this, it's Echidna. Common fucking trope.

So has anybody leaked Strange Aeons part 1 yet? If not does anybody want to?

>>48991956
I never said anything bout fetishy, just gave links for anon.

>>48992094
Context mother fucker. Anon complained about fetishy monsters You post some legitimate monsters along side some legit fetishy ones "Thirae, the Bee Folk" being the only one that jumped out at me immediately.

>>48990288
>Reaver archetype got updated, now has Reaver Insights

These... still aren't too exciting on the whole?
It's a step forward but only two or three of them really seem good.

>>48992295
I have some thoughts on this playtest. Should I share them?

They aren't happy thoughts.

>>48991829

I think so, she can also take the form of a stunning Elvish beauty when she feels like it.

>>48992375
DSP watches these threads for feedback.
You should share them, that's exactly what playtests are for.

>>48991784
No it was in the trash bestiary, Bestiary 4. Yeah, it gave us a couple nice things, but it was the cosmic mythic space who-gives-a-shit bestiary. Also all this stuff! >>48991872

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So /pfg/, tell me about your favorite bad archetypes. Not archetypes that you think are terrible, bad ideas. Archetypes you like the idea of, but they're absolute trash in execution, like Eldritch Scion or Metamorph. Tell me about them!

I want ideas for archetypes to look through and try to rework. I have a few already in mind, but I'm having a hard time remembering them all.

>>48992836
Flowing Monk.

>>48992836
Bladed Scarf Dancer Magus
Chameleon Rogue (Admittedly, rogue and stealth are fucked from the ground up)

Magical Child Vigilante

>>48992836
Holy Gun
Myrmidarch
There's probably a few more, but thats what comes to mind immediately

>>48992878
Kapenia Dancer isn't that bad. Its no worse than a Kensai, and its only real downside is diminished spellcasting

at least its not as bad as the Myrmidarch

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/emblem-of-greed

Are there any other spell that turn Wizard/Sorcerer into a full BAB class without a down side (unlike Transformation which kill your spell casting ability).

>>48993016
BSD/Kapenia has two big problems though

>Bladed Scarves are shit for no reason whatsoever, and the archetype does nothing to make them worth using
>It requires you to be unarmored/lightly armored, but doesn't trade out medium or heavy armor proficiencies

>>48992409
Okay.

>Foreword
I don't think this adds anything to the product. I feel like it just wastes page space. It isn't really criticism, just a biased opinion on the nature of such things.

>Halo Knight
The name is a bit on the nose, but whatever.

>Armor proficiency
You should reduce page space by simply stating that Halo Knights lose shield proficiency. Also, why don't Psychic Warriors in general have heavy armor proficiency? For that matter, why do they only have 3/4 BAB? They're meant to be on the front lines for the most part anyway, all limiting their armor choice does is force them to be more MAD because they need to invest in DEX early on.

>Psionic Animus
Handy I guess. Also, there is a grammatical error. "by spending 2 power point". Needs an S. This isn't a very efficient way to generate animus, though. Not enough to be relied upon. A 1st-level Psychic Warrior only has 1PP. You can't even use this three times a day until 4th level or so. At least you don't need huge amounts of Animus, one per round will probably work fine for a while.

>Psychic Halo
The wording here is really awful.
>which grants 1 point of Wisdom bonus (if any) per halo knight level as a shield bonus to his AC.
Ugh. Word spaghetti. Try something like
>which grants a shield bonus to his AC equal to his Wisdom modifier or class level, whichever is lower.
Also, you should make it a Force effect so it can block incorporeal groping. Martials have a difficult time with that, and this has a holy feel to it. Consider a Ghost Touch ability for his weapon also.

>Warrior's path
That caveat is entirely so you can also take Pathwalker, isn't it?

>Anima Skills
No more combat feats? Why? Psychic Warriors aren't competent blasters, they don't have enough PP per day.

>Anima Flare
So now I can blast, but only every 3 Animus. The ability doesn't say what ability score the psi-like abilities key their DCs off of, and as written the ML used is the minimum, as normal for PLAs. This is useless.

>>48993189

>Animus Empowerment
It would be cooler if you spent animus to use this, could use it on allies' weapons, it had a short duration, and it scaled faster. As-is, it's very mediocre. +2 by 12th level isn't much to write home about. It's good for TWF PsyWars though, they don't have to pay as much for their competence. The energy damage isn't really worth it since PsyWars are 3/4 BAB and STR/DEX MAD so they struggle a little with accuracy. At least it stacks with metaphysical weapon. That's a +2 bonus at 1st level.

>Durable Halo
*/- isn't appropriate syntax, just write damage reduction/- instead. Besides that, good ability. Invulnerable Rager can suck a psicrystal.

>Empowered Halation
Some issues with this one. Firstly, the RAW of this is that the halo itself, not the PsyWar, gains the energy resistance, which is weird because it isn't an object. Secondly, the halo doesn't provide any energy resistance in the first place, so there's nothing to improve. Thirdly, it doesn't state what kind of energy it resists. You should probably specify that it's the active energy type or something. That would make more sense. The DR boost is handy though.

>Kinetic Halo
Garbage. You have to burn your already limited powers known on these powers, and at the time you take this skill you can't use more than one unless you retrain, and you can't use them efficiently because you have no PP unless you take Anima Flare. Why not just lump this together with Anima Flare once you fix what's wrong with it too? It might be worth using then. Alternatively, just give the PsyWar this whole thing, then make the Anima Skills offer status conditions you can add based on the element you're using. That would be much better than this.

>>48993206

>Palisade Wall
After 4th level and 18 Wisdom what the fuck is the point of this. Tower Shields aren't useful for cover because you spend actions to use it. Why does this exist? It's totally redundant. I could see taking it at 1st level or something but you'd just retrain out of it. It seems like a waste of space to me since it'd be a little too much at 1st level, you only need 16 AC or so early on to survive, this plus the DEX and probably hide armor to breastplate in the first 3 levels is too much, and then it's useless.

>Restorative Halo

This literally says X feet. The ability is otherwise fine because it isn't a drain on your actions (besides focus recovery), but what the fuck is that X supposed to be. 5 feet? 5 feet per level? 30 feet? 10,000 leagues under the sea? I get that it's a playtest and you don't have everything set in stone yet, but you're missing a pretty important hunk of rock there.

Also, you have disclaimers about compatibility everywhere. It would be simpler to specify at the beginning which abilities replace what and so forth.

>Animus Manifestation
Okay, so, you've removed combat feats from the list of bonus feats you can take but added metapsionic ones. But Anima Skills also compete for them. Then you also need Psionic Meditation for the focus expenditure of metapsionic feats and other class features, but also things like Power Attack for the first couple of rounds where you don't have animus. If you're trying to go raw blaster, you also can't use Anima Flare because you can't use metapsionic feats with psi-like abilities, so this is a non-synergistic ability, meaning you're paying the base AND augmentation costs out of your itty bitty PP pool, OR you're paying nothing but only get the base power effect that becomes useless like 3 levels later. These abilities are cool, why would you make them all not work together while also sacrificing the 'Knight' part of Halo Knight by making him bad at frontlining? He has no Concen. Boost!

>>48993175
At least it stacks with Eldritch Scion, giving you reason to pump Cha.

>>48993212

>Improved Psychic Halo
Oh, NOW it grants Energy Resistance. 9th level is way too late for this to come online, Resistance 10 is negligible because unlike physical damage, energy damage tends to come in giant fiery balls of death rather than a whole bunch of smaller attacks that add up. The DR/- is going to save you from a pouncing Dire Lion, this isn't going to save you from that dragon's Acid Breath. Also, why do I need all of them active at once? I'd rather have Resist 20 to my active energy type than 10 to a bunch of them. At least then if I get hit or the Wizard identifies the thing in front of us as a Gelatinous Cube I can switch it to Acid resistance so I don't die as fast. Unrelated, but if you want this class to be a blaster they need the Kineticist's ability to manifest powers of whatever energy type they want in spite of the active element because otherwise you'll end up having to choose between a damage type that works and energy resistance that's helpful which sucks.

Uncanny Dodge is only helpful if your GM likes to send NPC rogues at you, and if he does, he's kind of a dick. Dick protection is good, this is a good part of this feature.

>Animus Overchannel
12th level? Seriously? And I can't even use Animus to power it or avoid the damage or literally anything related to animus at all? And if I already have Overchannel this does jack shit for me? Awful. Just awful. Any blaster worth his collection of crispy kobolds had this probably at 1st or 3rd level. Oh, and I get the equivalent of Talented at 18th! Wow! How amazingly unhelpful. The Wizard is off making demiplanes and I can shoot my laser beam without killing myself.

>>48993229

>Blazing Halation
3/day abilities suck. No. Bad. Something else. Also it doesn't say what damage type it deals to attackers, untyped damage is a big no-no. The not dying for 3 animus is cool until you realize most things attack multiple times per round at 15th level so it's almost useless. Also, it's 15th level! Why!? Why not have it give you 1/day at 3rd level and +1/day at every 3rd level so it scales better? Or, better yet, give it a PP cost that increases with the duration and no daily limit of its own? The fuck?

>Psionic Halation Endurance
Whatever, it's a capstone, I won't even comment on it because it's a waste of time. You're 20th level, you might as well just write down 'You Win D&D' because basically nobody plays to 20th at all. The Wizard won D&D 3 levels ago anyway.

Should I continue? I don't know if I even want to read the other three archetypes if they're like this one.

>>48993215
True, but it still needs stuff nudged around to make it something worth taking. Most of its arcana are pretty lackluster, for example.

What would be a good thing to trade medium and heavy armor for, in your opinion? Would poaching the Quarterstaff archetype's AC bonus work, or should it be something else entirely? Is making the elasticity reach arcana into a "as long as you have 1 point" or "whenever the scarf is enhanced with your arcane pool" deal a good idea?

>>48993286
Maybe just keep it as is, except replace Diminished Spellcasting with the replacement to armor prof, that way you still have your casting to aid you.

>>48993215
Or, you can instead stack it with Bladebound, and have your Scarf as your Black Blade

>>48993286
I'm surprised the archetype doesn't involve Silk to Steel at all. At least as far as I recall. And it's a neat spell.

>>48993189
>Foreword
All books get this.
Doesn't need to be in the playtest maybe, but they're not going to remove it.

>Armor proficiency
They can't rewrite the base class, unfortunately. 3/4 BAB is because it's a 6/9 manifester, something closer to the psionic fighter is a Soulknife.

>That caveat is entirely so you can also take Pathwalker, isn't it?
They're incompatible last I checked. It's futureproofing, you see that wording in a lot of their stuff ever since the infamous paizo ruling that made a lot of archetypes not stack.

>>48993238
>Should I continue? I don't know if I even want to read the other three archetypes if they're like this one.

The archetypes in this playtest have two different writers and the style difference is pretty pronounced.

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>Xp is awarded an abstract manner in my game. Wholly based off of RP as opposed to defeating X level Y encounters you will be awarded xp by conforming to your character's strengths, flaws, and quirks. It will really pay to be descriptive and in character at all times. "I move to the door." vs "I shamble up to the door wincing with every step on my injured leg"

Do good DMs do this? What should I make for a campaign where the DM insists on this sort of thing?

>>48993361
Archetype writing that is done well analyzes the base class first, determines what it offers, and then modifies it in such a way that it isn't an entirely new class, but uses some new features in a way that allows old features to do something new without losing the identity of the class.

Unfortunately when you get to classes like Bard and Alchemist who have 20+ archetypes it's easy to tell what's wrong - they don't have clearly defined class identities.

That being said, I don't think any of these archetypes are entirely clear on what they want to do and/or when they are clear, it's executed poorly.

>>48993406
Be descriptive?

>>48993406
You should make nothing because that's really awful, you shouldn't get more XP for unnecessary word padding. Talking about how you're opening every single door in detail would just take forever.

Is Dervish Defender the best option for a TWF INT-based initiator?
The damage is mediocre compared to the other available INT classes, but the rest of the package is so damn good...
Thoughts?

>>48993406
Treats for good RP >>>>>>>> punishment for bad RP.
And that system seems like it loads so many treats on that it's essentially punishing those who didn't go to acting classes.

>>48993406
Personally, my GM has decided that he doesn't want to have to deal with people constantly asking how much XP we got. So instead he started using Milestones instead

However, he does give us occasional good bits of loot or other goodies when we roleplay well, so it all balances out.

>>48993437
Dervish Defender is pretty damn comfy desu. The only regrettable thing is you can't dual wield scimitars without effortless lace investment or something.

>>48993473
>>48993460
>>48993427
>>48993425

It's worth pointing out that the DM is unusually aggressive in the rest of his post and mentions on more than one occasion he wants "mature" players and "this is not a game for newcomers."

Which just makes me imagine how fucking descriptive he wants me to get when my character's touching Arueshalae's butt and insinuating he wants to mount that.

>>48993473
>>48993406
Good GM's tell you to eat a dick if you ask about XP and then tell you when you've levelled up and never mention it otherwise. It's a background system for a reason.

>>48993406
Good GMs ignore all the xp math and level up the whole party at a time at appropriate points, yes.
Encourages less murderhoboing because you no longer need to kill stuff in battle to get your reward.

However, this GM's system seems awful, because not only does he keep the super fiddly exp math, he's now awarding it individually per character with extremely subjective judgement.

Ask him how he's going to track and score this stuff.
How much exp do you get for describing shambling up to a door with an injured leg? How does he tell when you've roleplayed enough to level up, and how much does he expect his mood on that day to affect party exp?

How do Scroll work? For example, if I'm a level 9 Sorcerer wanting to use Wizard's Teleportation Scroll...

Do I need to have 15 INT to get pass "The user must have the requisite ability score" requirement?

>>48993503
>it's an Adventure Path too
Bail. Bail, bail, bail.

Abandon ship. ABANDON SHIP.

TO HELL WITH THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, SAVE YOURSELF, MAN! ABANDON SHIP!

>>48993325
So what you're saying is it shouldn't have diminished casting, and should otherwise just drop medium and heavy armor for no actual trade? It's not a bad idea, it just feels... Underwhelming. Maybe I'm spoiled by the vigilante though.

>>48993499
I love the idea of completely clowning an enemy's full-attack while essentially getting a full-attack of my own at the same time, I gotta say.

>>48993525
No, because teleport is also on your spell list and you use Charisma. In fact, you have CL equal to the scroll's CL, so you can just... use it, no extra anything involved. Pull it out, standard action to use it, done.

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>>48993527

No, we're doing this brother.

I'm going to blow him away with being as uncomfortably descriptive as possible and make him beg me to leave.

Should I make an old thief dying of some unnamed disease looking for salvation at the end of a demon's pike fighting for what's right?

>>48993503
Anon, you obviously already know how much of a bad game this sounds like it will be.
Just bail.

>>48993544
Still needs to actually make bladed scarves good.

>>48993552
So as a Sorcerer, as long as I have money to buy Wizard scroll.. I could always cast spell that is one spell higher than myself?

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>>48993563
Just be Doomguy and get unnecessarily descriptive when you coup de grace the demons

>>48993615
As long as your Caster Level is equal to or higher than the Caster Level of the spell on the scroll, and as long as the spell on the scroll is on the Sorcerer/Wizard spell list, you can use them without any sort of check.

Things tend to go poorly when you try to use a scroll not on your class spell list or one with a higher CL than yours, but as a Sorcerer, if you invest in Use Magic Device you'll be able to use most scrolls regardless of source anyway.

>>48993563
Be as edgy as you possibly can.

>>48993576
>Anon, you obviously already know how much of a bad game this sounds like it will be.

But anon, one player's doing a Paladin that slaughtered his Order after they turned into demons and the other's doing a hapless guardsman that watched his entire unit get killed by the demons.

It might be fun to play a selfish fucker that's convinced his soul will be saved by embarking on a Crusade, just like so many knights actually believed on their journey to the Holy Land.

>>48993613
Well, yea it would have to actually do that too, but it's clear I'm talking to two different people at once. Getting a few mixed signals for how much needs to change at once.

If I'm invisible, does the +40/+20 bonus to Stealth apply to Veiled Moon counters that require a Stealth check?

>>48990861
It would be in addition to, since it doesn't say it removes or replaces the standard effect.

Help me /pfg/... I felt so dirty last night after my GM tried to full attack me with a Piscodaemon, and I pull out my first "Immediate action! Emergency Force Sphere!!"...

None of that poor daemon attack can get pass Hardness 20...

>>48992836

Unbreakable Fighter

>>48993817
>I felt so dirty last night after my GM tried to full attack me with a Piscodaemon, and I pull out my first "Immediate action! Emergency Force Sphere!!"...

You're a dirty, dirty man. You love it.

>>48990288
>.Playing a Abyssal bloodrager did I make a good choice?

>>48993613
>>48993722

Maybe make Elasticity into a passive that grants reach as long as you have 1 point in your Arcana Pool, and allows you to attack and threaten all enemies in its reach.

basically make it a not-shitty whip

>>48993880
See >>48993286
That was one of the first things I thought of actually.

>>48993858
H..how do I redeem myself? I want to be pure again...

>>48993763
>Of course, the subject is not magically silenced, and certain other conditions can render the recipient detectable (such as swimming in water or stepping in a puddle). If a check is required, a stationary invisible creature has a +40 bonus on its Stealth checks. This bonus is reduced to +20 if the creature is moving.

From the context, no - it states 'if a check is required', which is a very strong indication that it is referring to Stealth checks to hide.

I whipped up a quick homebrew of feats that are consolidated and scaled. It's best combined with the Feat Tax rules (that are also linked in the document) for best effect. There might be some conflicts and I'd like to hear your opinions about it, but keep in mind, these were tuned to be more powerful than vanilla feats.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CZQD9bB8MNK-KDbJBUptXTEY-dTPq7KpR2P88GLUKAU/edit?usp=sharing

>>48993958

You can never be pure again, anon.

However, you can always find redemption!

>>48993563
Remember to describe your bodily functions in piqued detail, right down to the "splffff" noise that you make when you take a shit.

If a target has both concealment and mirror images, what's the order of operations?

I'd imagine the order would be:
>Roll the attack
>Check if it hits AC at all
>Check if it passes concealment
>Check if it passes mirror image
>If it didn't hit AC but missed by 5 or less, check concealment and if it passes destroy a mirror image figment
Yeah?

>>48994083

That seems logical to me.

>>48994083
I'd do mirror image first, to see which "you" the attack was targeting, then roll concealment to see if you lose that image.

>>48994128
It isn't, you don't lose an image on a miss of 5 or less without concealment, why should concealment make it easier to hit your images?

>>48994083
If I were your enemy.. I would just close my eyes when I attack to entirely negate mirror image and displacement...

>>48994209
50% is still awful chances, and I've got counters ready anyway.

Are there any good Pathfinder actual play podcasts

>>48994222
Better than... what's that? 6.25% chance to hit?

Beguiler question:
I've spotted a feat called "Multiplying Illusions."
It made me really excited at first glance, but then I noticed it says "spells that create variable amounts of illusions."
...isn't Mirror Image the only one that does that?
What else does this feat affect?

>>48994248
That chance wildly fluctuates depending on AC and tohit values.
Still, yes, it would be better to go for the 50% miss chance, regardless.

>>48994200

In that case, I guess a better idea is spamming Magic Missile.

>>48994253
I don't know of anything else.

Maybe it's part of some product line with other variable numbers of illusions?

>>48994253
Couldn't Shadow Conjuration create variable amounts of illusions?

>>48994282
I skimmed the small list of new spells it adds, and there don't seem to be any.
I guess it's for Shadow Conjuration spells that mimic stuff like Summon Monster?
Like, Shadow Conjuration (Summon Monster III) could summon 1d3 2nd-level monsters, and Multiplying Illusions would ensure that even if you roll a 1 on that d3 you'll get all 3 of 'em eventually.
Seems like a shit feat, now that I think about it. If it wasn't metamagic it'd be alright.

>>48994083
>had this happen to me
>I love that my alchemist can access glitter dust and has scent ability
>close my eyes, smell deep and cast in the general direction
>Allies can now whack at the real thing

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>Be DM for a new campaign
>go full autism
>study up player character sheets, build encounters around their strengths and weaknesses
>make 10 large maps (120x100) on roll20 in preparation. Good enough for 2-3 session dungeon dives EACH.
>incorporate story elements and exploration into the mapmaking process
>be ready for tomorrow's game night

Now I'm at bed. with a 39 degree fever, my head hurts like fuck and my throat is too sore to speak.

FUCK. MY. LIFE.

>>48994526
Just ask to reschedule, I'm sure upon hearing your gloriously gross voice they'll understand.

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>>48994526

Sorry to hear, anon. Tomorrow might be a wash, but hey, at least you have all your preparations made. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery.

>>48994609
Why do Fennecs always look like they're mildly annoyed at everything?

>>48994658
Because the pokemon based off them has a shit final evo

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>>48994658

Wouldn't say always.

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>>48994526

>Wake up tomorrow
>Struggle to the computer
>Log in and make a valiant show of effort
>One of the players flaked and another says he can't make it to the next session

>>48994568
>>48994609
man, fuck that. we keep hitting hiatuses often enough.

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>>48994685

What, you mean Eevee? The second cutest Pokemon in the series?

I personally think Ninetales is the most majestic, including their lore.

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>>48994761
These guys

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>>48994873

>Those designs for a cute desert fox

>>48994873

Hey, give it some credit.

It wasn't fire/fighting.

Without stuff like superior unarmed attack, improved natural strike, decisive strike, etc how do monks improve their damage?

I just noticed that the desire daevic in akashic mysteries can have an akashic dragon companion. Do mounted combat and thrown weapons mix well? What feats would a dragon riding daevic need?

>>48995009
Dragon Style

>>48992836
White-haired witch.

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What music do you like to listen to during sessions, /pfg/?

>>48990288
What does PFG think of milestone-based 'whenever the GM says' levelling?

>>48995009
Not much, I think there're two styles, jabbing and dragon that increase your damage, but nothing near what you could do in 3.5

>>48995205
good enough. Sets the pace for the DM, since he's the one who makes the encounters after all.

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>>48994873
>>48994938
>tfw you will never see a Fire/Grass type pokemon
>tfw Grass type will never be good in competitive
>tfw no one else likes Grass Type
>tfw Grassy Terrain is bleeding impossible to get for other grass type pokemon without long breeding and grinding, and that some Fairy types end up usually getting it before you
At least the new Grass starter looks cute.

>tfw your other favortie type is Bug, which is just as bad, followed by Poison then Ground

>>48995205
It's the only sensible way to run it.
Why would you even be in a game run by a DM you wouldn't trust to level the party up appropriately for the campaign?

>>48995180

The Witcher and Dark Souls III, mostly.

>>48995252
>tfw you will never see a Fire/Grass type pokemon

... Are you suggesting a bushfire Pokemon?

>>48995315
A chili pepper pokemon.

>>48995336

That would only work if the Pokemon insists you lick it.

Or cook it.

Or eat it's seeds.

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>>48995336
Why are we talking about pokemon in a Pathfinder thread?

>>48995344
Ice cream pokemon shoots ice beams

Pastry pokemon can learn flamethrower

It's not a stretch

>>48995252
Hey! I like Gogoat.

Male gogoat using Milk Drink is so lewd...

Well, just played in my first roll20 game, it was text only, and it was pretty nice overall. It's definitely something I could see using more often.

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>>48995392
Greentext story time
W
WH
WHE
WHEN
WHE
WH
W

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>>48995315
Flaming tumbleweed/prairiefire pokemon
Or a literal fireflower/fireweed
Or a Burr-Oak/Mesquite pokemon that grows flaming acorns/seed pods that tries to maintain praries and prevent the encroachment of forests.

Fire ecology/ecosystems are important and deserve respect too!

>>48995379
Gogoat is literally GOAT tier, and one of my favorites from X/Y
and she really hits my fetishes hard

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>>48995411

>>48995411
>campfire pokemon

>>48995392
Glad to see you get on with the time, oldman.

Did you turn on the 3d dice roller too?

>>48995428
>>campfire pokemon
that sounds super comfy. I want one now.

>>48995392
>>48995407

What are the bets that something lewd is going to happen.

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>>48995453
Place your bets
PLACE YOUR BETS

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>>48995336
Lucky for you, the /vp/ game Pokemon Sage has a grass/fire chili pepper pokemon!

unlucky for you it's never coming out ever

>>48995427

Why are you so ornery, Fennec-anon?

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>>48995407
There wasn't a lot that happened, but I can green text it.

>Be Alyssa Lockhart (pic related)
>Show up at tavern for a job
>Forget which table employer is meeting me at
>Go to the bar, guy hits on me
>Go to another table guy hits on me (16 charisma, I'd hit on me too)
>Slowly meet the rest of the party
>We're all female
>Grill power
>Employer comes
>Offers us ale
>I don't want any
>Offers us ale again
>Realize I'm going to be poisoned
>Look at Character Sheet
>8 intelligence
>Bottoms up
>Get fucking poisoned
>Vomit out ooze
>Employer tells me not to yell at cook
>I want to yell at the cook
>But I'm sick and sad
>Get free rooms for being poisoned
>Group's mage wants to stay in my room to make sure I don't choke on my own vomit
>I agree because it's a reasonable fear
>Fall asleep instantly

Overall it was a pretty fun night, no combat, but a good set up for heading into the darkland that should be a lot of fun.

>>48995429
Three dimensional dice? Sonny, I'm not sure my heart could take it

>>48995453
>Already sharing a room with another PC, >Already regret not taking Companion to the Lonely.

>>48992028
Parasite.

>>48995494
njolly pls

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>>48995453
>>48995477

Text-based with strangers? If relationships develop and he continues to show off Alyssa as the adorable young woman she is, I give it three sessions until a PC gives 'em the ole PM asking about developing things.

>>48995494
>Not describing the employer
were they boring?

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>>48995481
>pepper
>Grass/Fire
>Jackalope
Its perfect

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>>48995494

>8 Intelligence means going against your gut instinct

That's wisdom tho.

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>>48995521
>Not describing the other party members.

>>48995521
He was a charmingly assholish halfling that was probably the one who ended up poisoning Alyssa, in the same way that old ladies leave hair on their plates to try and scam a free meal.

>>48995486

Not ornery, just never heard gogoat described that way before.

>>48995521
They weren't so much boring as they were what I expected, which is a piece of garbage giving me a job of which I was not expected to survive. And a half orc body guard that made sure things worked out alright. I wanted to hit the high points of the night rather than focus on them.

>>48995541
I'm playing her as pretty naive too, she also has the naive flaw, so I figured it'd be more IC of her, and plus I've been playing long enough that I know when I'm going to get fucking poisoned.

>>48995553
Okay, so there was Iya, the tiefling bolt ace that the entire night I wondered if it would be in bad taste to mock for having a crossbow instead of a bow (I'm a longbow spec'd trickshot sniper) who seemed to hate every moment that wasn't getting money.

There was also Lene, the very 'team orientated' fey that seemed to want to work as a peace keeper to my hayseed of a character, the other hot blonde in the party.

>>48995527
I'm actually surprised at the overall quality of the Pokemon Sage dex.

http://capx.wikia.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9dex

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>>48995593
>the very 'team orientated' fey that seemed to want to work as a peace keeper to my hayseed of a character, the other hot blonde in the party.

You need to bully the Tiefling. Do it.

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>>48995593
Well no snarp he's a piece of garbage, what we want to know is HOW GARBAGE IS HE? how much slime does he excrete from his garbage-ass pores, and how much do you want to bet he'll doublecross you?

>>48995593
>I wanted to hit the high points of the night
>doesn't talk about the other party members

Are they really that bad, man?

>>48995643
As Alyssa is an aasimar, I feel this will only end poorly.

>>48995669
I spent 20 minutes with him and I was poisoned, and forgot to close the door when I went to sleep. If I'm not dead in the morning, he's a garbage faux benefactor.

>Alyssa tried to order free drinks by saying she knew a caravan, it didn't work.

>>48995593
>ego id superego party
Disgusting.

>>48995687
Nah, I'm just painfully self centered.

Iya was fun but not super talkative, so there's not a lot to say about her.

Lene was again trying to make sure nothing bad happens and was the only one smart enough not to get drunk because they have any amount of sense on their shoulders. She's probably going to be the one who makes sure we all survive in this violently ranged party

>TFW no melee

>>48995688
>As Alyssa is an aasimar, I feel this will only end poorly.

Dude, that means you need to bully her even harder.

You're the stupid sexy angel-blooded blonde bombshell, you need to flaunt your stuff by pecking at the competition.

>>48995634
Thank you anon, I now know what to base my next Summoner or Conjuration Spherecaster off of

>>48995727
>Be the bullying bimbo you were meant to be.

So Im a new GM running an AP for people and Im having a bitch of a time trying to incorporate backstory quests, items, or just improv into the AP (RotRL).

Any advice for how to handle improv moments and to not give the illusion that Im railroading?

>>48995727
I didn't say I wouldn't do it, I only said it would end badly. This game has only just begun.

>>48995744
It's an AP.

They basically bought one-way train tickets when they joined the campaign.

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>>48995740

>mfw I didn't realize she's got a lot of bimbo traits until just now

>>48993189
>as written the ML used is the minimum, as normal for PLAs
Psi-likes use your manifester level if you have one, and are augmented for free as if you'd spent a number of points equal to that ML.

>>48993189
You're sure telling DSP aren't you?

>>48993189
>Ugh. Word spaghetti.

That's how that ability has always been worded. See: Kensai Magus, Duelist PrC..

>>48995940
That doesn't make it not awful.

>>48993407
Bard and Alchemist are both far more jack of all trades classes, that's not a surprise. Having archetypes push you in a certain direction isn't wrong.

>>48995984
It's a tried and true facet of the game that you'd be better off with a specialist than a jack of all trades.

>>48995951
But it does make it not DSP's fault, and not a thing they should change for change's sake. Breaking templating to be different is a shitty plan.

>>48995744
Session 0. Give them the general idea of the AP, Important NPC and place they are going to visit and ask them to tie their story into those. Also let everyone do this face-to-face.

This way you will get less, "I am half kitsune half Aasimar underage girl from the netherworld looking for a perfect husband" or "I am a lone wolf who shouldn't really be in a party"

>>48995494
>darklands
>all ranged party
Have fun getting sneak-stomped by Dark Creepers, Troglodytes, and Duergar.

>>48996049
I have decent strength so I'm not TERRIBLE in melee. But yes, we'll die almost instantly.

Iya the tiefling can at least put up good damage, and Lene is a spherecaster (not sure how they're spec'd), but I think we can at least manage long enough before needing to run away like heroic cowards.

>>48996007
Breaking templating to use better language is worth it.

>>48993028
Anyone?

>>48996082
Do you know anything about the Halfling and Orc? They might be able to be your body shields for a while.

>>48996166
Aside from that they ooze slime like it was in their job description? Nah.

The halfing almost certainly poisoned me, and the half orc has been about as regular beater half orc as any I've ever seen.

The party is fun though, I could see having a fun rivalry with Iya over crossbow vs. longbow even if she has better accuracy than Alyssa.

>>48996166
>>48996216
Use the halfling as an arrow.
Do it...

DO IT....

pls

>>48996000
>you'd be better off with a specialist than a jack of all trades

My investigator would like to prove you wrong considering I've gotten the the party out of more tighter spots than the wizard with my pitiful bard spell list.

But then again, I think its more likely because I paid attention and am not an idiot at the table.

>>48996255
How would I...

For what reason...

The mechanics alone...

How?!

>>48996082
I'm Incanter 1/Elementalist (geomancer) x.

Definitely focusing on the nature sphere to start, but when I start getting more talents, I might dip Life or Conjuration if we need it.

>>48996286
Shrink Person the halfling
Enlarge Person your archer

Have him ride your arrow and stab a bitch just before impact just like what Antman and Hawkeye did.

>>48996000
Only if you're retarded.

>DM gives you all the tools and opportunities to craft literally any character imaginable
>You make a hyper-generic martial that feels flat and has terribly limited or short-sighted motivations

Should I try to get a redo in character creation? This guy I'm playing is really dull and I could make a half-dozen far more compelling characters with the rules given.

If the DM approves, what Dark Souls boss should I use as inspiration? Level 15, gestalt, DSP allowed.

>>48996286
Oil of Gravity Bow
Bull's Strength Potion
Enlarge Person Potion

Long Ranged halfling of vengeance

>>48996310
Hopefully we don't need you to dip life, but conjuration is generally nice.

>>48996317
I don't want halfling anywhere near my silver bow. My bow is too good for that creep. He can die alone while attempting to poison me again.

Again.

>>48995688
>>48996216
>>48996352
Why would he poison someone he's about to hire as a guard?

>>48996472

Racist against Assimar.

>>48995180
Depends on the campaign. My GM usually has music running thematically. So for example, Skull and Shackles was all sea chanties/stan rogers/pirates of the carribean etc. Likewise, when we played a western themed campaign set in Alkenstar, we mostly listened to civil war/Ennio Morricone/etc.

>>48996490
That's not even a race with solid enough foundation to be racist towards.

>>48996472
Jealousy, I assume. I don't question halflings, but then again, I don't play small races.

>>48996538

They're celestial-blooded perfect little angels that always act like they're so much better than everyone else because people do anything to make an Aasimar happy.

Because you know, they've got that precious ancestry.

>>48996490
>Assimar

I too enjoy divine butts on my characters, the more bubbly the better.

>>48996472
see
>>48995557

Can someone give me an updated tier list? Thanks in advance.

>>48996641
Actually, forget me. I didn't check the pastebin.

Is DSP making shit now?

I'm building my first Warlord, going to go Scarlet Throne and Golden Lion mostly. In the long run is it better go to Strength focused or Dexterity focused for this kind of build?

>>48996998
Strength will give you better damage and two feats free.
Dex gives better AC, reflex and initiative.

Both Scarlet Throne and Golden Lion are quite neutral on str vs dex.

>>48997065
Yeah, was definitely going to go with Strength. What feats are good for a one handed Warlord? I'm thinking Quick Draw and Combat Reflexes to get into Landsknecht later on.

>>48997146
Well, Power Attack is basically free damage with maneuvers that use a skill check in place of an attack roll. if you're einhanding, most of your damage will be from your maneuvers, so you can't go wrong with Extra Readied Maneuvers - the longer you can go without using a Gambit, the better off you are. You want an odd number of maneuvers readied so that you can use a strike when you Gambit so the Gambit goes along easier - Flanker's Gambit is probably the easiest one here, pair it with something that WILL hit - and recover maneuvers every 3rd round or so.

>>48995496
>Giving money to Paizo

It's my first time messing around with meta magic and i just wanted clarity
if I were to maximize and intensified shocking grasp i would do the full 10d6 of damage assuming my CL 10+ and if I added an empowered on top it would just be the extra 5d6 that I would roll, right?yes I am playing magus

>>48998025
maximized and intensified is fine for a magus. stacking more is not a good idea because shocking grasp is supposed to be your 'spammable spell'

>>48998064
i took metamagic master as my trait and was only going to have empowered from one of my arcana

>>48998025
>>48998064
>maximising instead of empowering
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>>48998091
on an average roll you would do less damage than a maximized
you can make the argument that on a high roll you do more damage

>>48998025
Empowered and Maximized interact in a strange way.

You do empower first, then you do maximize.

So in practice, you roll for 10d6 damage (let's say you get the average 35), then you calculate how much extra damage you get from empower x1.5 (+17 damage for this example)

Then you calculate for maximize (60 damage), and add the previous extra damage on top.

So you'll end up doing ~77 damage

>>48998201
No, you get 15d6, then maximize that.

>>48998486
You are dumb.

From Maximize Spell:
>An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus half the normally rolled result.

>>48998556
>10d6
>Normal roll
>5d6
>Half the normal roll
Makes you think, don't it?

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>>48998025
>>48998201
>>48998486
the way it works is simple.

Maximize takes the maximum potential value of the basic rolls, and makes it deal that much. therefore, 10d6 would deal 60 damage.

Empower would increase the numbers by 50%, so that 10d6 fireball would instead deal 5d6.

If both were applied to the same fireball, it would have the base dice of the spell maximized, but not the empowered part, leaving you with 5d6+60 damage.

>>48998574
thanks, appreciate it.

>>48998574
>5d6
Would instead deal 15d6*

Sorry, it's late.

>>48998574
Wrongo, boyo. It'd be 15d6 maximized.

>>48998567
I think he's talking about the
>plus half the normally rolled result
bit

Which does, by RAW, mean the Empowered damage is not maximized.

Technically, by that wording, you would roll 10d6, halve it, and then add 60, to get empowered+maximized.

>>48998594
No, dumbass. See >>48998556 and >>48998607 for information taken directly from Maximize's text

>>48998626
You can keep linking your own posts all you want, it doesn't actually make you right. 10d6 x1.5 is 15d6.

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>>48998642
First
>pic related

Second, the fact that the text for maximize spell specifies the feats are applies separately means that you roll 5d6 and add the maximum result of 10d6.

>>48998642
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/maximize-spell-metamagic---final

Read, man. You're just embarrassing yourself.

>>48998682
No, anon.

They're applied seperately.

You have a spell.

It does 10d6.

You Empower it.

It does 15d6.

You Maximize it, it does 15x6.

It does 90 damage.

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Is it possible for a mortal to kill or permanently banish a god? How would you go about it? No bags of holding / portable hole shenanigans.

>>48998824
No.

>>48998824
>>48998835
Varies entirely by how the setting handles deities, if it even does at all.

>>48998724
>Maximum result plus half normally rolled result

Do you not comprehend what 'normally rolled' means?

>>48998847
Say Golarion for example

>>48998858
He's trolling badly, just ignore him.

>>48998824
No, not in the default Pathfinder setting nor anywhere in the game's mechanics. Deities don't have statblocks, they aren't meant to be fucked with.

>>48998824
Deities gain their power from belief, right?

Kill all his followers. All of them.

>>48998824
You hope that your DM's plotline involves you killing a god or is incredibly chill about deicide.

Given there's no stats or mechanics or anything vis-a-vis gods and killing thereof, it's all up to yo DM.

>>48998901
I'm pretty sure they have a level of personal power as well, so that wouldn't do the trick.

>>48998881
Can't kill gods, can't even fight them unless the DM allows you to.

Personally I think a max-level high-mythic character should at least be able to make a god sweat or sit up and take notice, based on how demon lords and similar are able to fight losing battles against full gods in lore. But again, up to the DM.

>>48998881
They don't and never will have game statistics, and if you get uppity a DM Penis Insert monster (Achaekek) shows up to to kill you.

It's kinda boring.

>>48998925
Demon lords are canonically dangerous to deities, but only when those deities do dumb shit like personally enter the realm of those demon lords in their physical form. When they're off in the fucking wherever they live, their own domain, they're plot devices only.

>>48998979
Oh, but deities can kill each other freely and no deity is stronger than the Outer Gods (Azathoth & etc.) or more powerful than Rovagug (though they were able to trap him).

What sort of penalties/stats should I incorporate for these environmental traps I plan to subject the party to in my game?

>falling neckdeep in frigid waters after stepping on thin ice.

>falling into an acid pit trap

>having a gunpowder barrel explode next to them

>door mimic

>>48998901
>Deities gain their power from belief, right?

Not explicitly stated anywhere in PF material to my knowledge. In D&D it's only true for FR(and only after Ao threw a fit during the Age of Troubles, or whatever the system transition event was called) and there doesn't seem to be any reason to assume it's true for Golarion.

>>48999115
>falling neckdeep in frigid waters after stepping on thin ice.
chill touch? (1d6 nonlethal cold + str penalty)
>falling into an acid pit trap
that already exists in the traps page in the pfsrd (acid damage and reflex DC based off alchemist/trapper/wizard level)

>having a gunpowder barrel explode next to them
probably on par with a fireball spell

>door mimic
you evil bastard

>>48999128
I have a question, if you somehow remove a one of the god from existence, what happens to all the belief that is floating around afterwards?

>>48999115
Exploding powderkegs have listed damage and it's not a lot. Like, 5d6 I think.

The acid pit trap you could look at the spell for inspiration.

The door mimic would just attack them I think. Same stats as a normal mimic.

And as for the water... hm. Taking damage from cold due to exposure causes Fatigue. Dropping into ice water I can see being cranked up to exhaustion-level. Check the environmental rules.

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>>48999115
>door mimic
are you by chance, running some high lethality Dark Souls campaign?

>>48999138
You're still asking questions that are entirely based on setting.

>>48999138
Not a damn thing. Like I said, in Golarion and most other settings belief itself doesn't mean anything. In FR it only means something if you happen to be a god and doesn't matter at all to other beings.

>>48999131
>>48999146
mimics aren't that bad.
when the DM makes an entire dungeon crawl a mimic party is when I start calling bullshit

>inb4 the dungeon is just one big mimic

>>48999170
You could be a lot more sinister and make the party paranoid without resorting to "just mimics"

The statue is a gargoyle, golem, zombie

The floor rug, coat, banner and carpet are all cloakers

The candle-lit chandelier is hiding several tiny fire elementals

The doorknocker is a trap

The ever expansive hallway is an illusory field. You'll never reach the end. oh, and there's a slime cube behind you. run.

There's suddenly two 'moons'. One of them is actually a solar.

The garden is ents.

Those shadows between the gaps in the windows are actually fetchlings or shades in hiding

>>48999237
wasn't there a bestiary monster that pretended to be a wall painting before stabbing the party at the back?

>>48999170
What if there's an actual party for mimics in the dungeon? You know, some of them are mimicking instruments and playing music, there are drinks and food being passed around, etc?

>>48999248
I dunno if its me just being genre savvy, but whenever the DM says we pass by several wall paintings, a statue, etc, I just stab the fuck out of those things just in case.

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>reading pathfinder subreddit
>someone's GM banned Kineticists in their new game because of "the last one completely overshadowing the rest of the party"

Am I mistaken or isn't this class considered absolute garbage by most everyone?

>>48999319
Kineticist is by far the worst PC class in the game, unless your group is so ass-backwards that you're still forced to play Core Monk or Core Rogue with no other content.

It doesn't do respectable damage, it lacks proper utility, it's squishy, it has no unique tricks, and any of the """exploits""" used to make it even vaguely respectable have been removed.

It's a class that had several thousand posts of feedback with well-made mathematical analysis, carefully written explanations, and a remarkable amount of restrained to not just scream at how terrible it was. That was the playtest. All the feedback was ignored, content was cut, and it remains the worst class by far.

So, either that guy is bullshitting SO fucking hard, his group was cheating, they were reading rules wrong, or there's some really shonky shit going on that hasn't been made clear.

>>48999319
It's better than the memes give it credit for, but it's still tier 4. It can be overpowered by a rogue.

and that, my friend, is a low bar indeed.

>>48995236
>>48995107
B-but that's only +1/2 Str, +Str on the first attack...

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>>48999248

>>48999807
Dragon Ferocity gives you 2x on the first attack and 1.5x on all subsequent attacks.

>>49000155

You know, being only +1 CR I kinda want to play one of those.

>>49000166
What I said, +Str to the first attack (taking into account you already deal Dice+Str on attacks for a total of Dice+2xStr) and +1/2 Str on the rest. That's still not much considering what I could do in 3.5.

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>>49000155
Mary, is that you?

>>49000240
Power attack deals more damage than before, that balances it.

New thread
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>>49000417
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>>48993238
>>48993212
The second two archetypes are super different and way better. Different writer. Skip the Reaver entirely it's bad.

>Also, you have disclaimers about compatibility everywhere. It would be simpler to specify at the beginning which abilities replace what and so forth.
They posted about this http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tv1g?Dreamscarred-Press-Psionics-Augmented-Psychic#8

>>48998824
It would be extremely painful

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