Disappointment in RPGs?

>>48900638

What the fuck

>>48900696

Well, exactly what it says. Sort of like the cold, hard slap of reality intruding.

>>48900638
Honestly? Dude was asking for it by trying to make it his own magical realm where he's more important than he actually is.
Don't want wrecked, don't do pathetic shit like that

>>48900638

I'm sure I saw this setup in another thread yesterday.

2/10, points given for elftits.

>>48900829

The thing about it is, it's not that I'm trying to be harsh. It's that no matter what his stats said, he couldn't convince me that they were hitting it off.

I think another interesting issue would be the difference between heroic fiction and an actual game. In a game, the rules are immutable unless the GM deliberately bends them. (For instance, Pendragon states that it's impossible to draw Excalibur from the stone. Nuh-uh, not happening.)

Like, you know when a plucky farmboy manages to kill the evil Fighter with a lucky pitchfork stab? By raw, assuming D&D, this is not physically possible. The Fighter has sky-high armor class and has HP in the triple digits. A first-level Commoner can't hurt him unless he lies down on the floor and lets the guy coup de grace him.

But at the same time, you get things in novels where the rules are bent (i.e. "You're so pure of heart, you 'count as' a honorary member"), sort of when Mjolinir can be lifted by other people.

I learn towards the first one, because in the latter, there are no rules. You're just making shit up and the players effectively have plot armor.

His fault for getting invested in banging a priestess, the execution could have been a lot smoother, it feels pretty heavy-handed with the priestess just going "oh, they're just some guards."

Guy should get over it though, what level are they? If they're simple guardsmen and can't even wield the important shit it sounds like level 3ish, that's *way* too early to blow your load in an NPC, you should wait until at least level 7 before hunting for a waifu.

>>48900909

They're all around Level 5, actually.

>>48900909

Yeah but he's supposed to be the HEEERRRRROOOO.

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>>48900638
>> PCs are warned that the artifact only functions for those of the proper bloodline, and not to draw it.

>> PC grabs sword from priestess, draws it.

>>48900903
>sort of when Mjolinir can be lifted by other people.

That's explicitly allowed in the rules under which the work of fiction functions, assuming you're talking about Marvel comics.

Also what's to stop me from shattering the stone around Excalibur?

>>48900903

>The thing about it is, it's not that I'm trying to be harsh. It's that no matter what his stats said, he couldn't convince me that they were hitting it off

You described the player as being awkward and uncharismatic in real life, right? What makes you think he will ever meet an NPC he can pull off the romance?

This isn't me saying what you did is wrong, mind. I'm just saying he's going to be in for an entire campaign of cockblocking if you're going off him convincing you.

>>48900995

Excalibur was not the sword in the stone, the sword in the stone was placed there by Merlin as a test for Arthur when he grew up.

Excalibur was a Fairy sword made by the Lady of the Lake.

>>48900995

I dunno, I assume the rock was invincible too.

But fiction is full of people doing stuff that should be impossible, when in-game the impossible is in fact impossible. Sort of like Exalted, which is supposedly all-about shonen anime shenigans, but is actually a rigidly deterministic universe.

As an example, there are three levels of martial arts: Terrestial, Celestial and Sidereal. Sidereal martial arts are the most powerful, but Terrestrial Exalted cannot learn them. One Terrestrial, a martial-arts grandmaster, has spent centuries refining himself to attempt to learn a Sidereal style. He's a true prodigy and probably the best martial artist of his entire archetype.

But if he tries, he'll explode. The authors actually say "No, it's not possible. He'll die and he'll destroy most of the island with him if he attempts it. If you want to let him do it, be advised that breaks the game completely."

>>48900928

Exactly, he's still got a good 3/4 levels before he should look for a girl to stick it in.

>>48900961

You're not the hero until you're level 9.

>>48900995
>Also what's to stop me from shattering the stone around Excalibur?
It wasn't the rock holding the sword in place.

>>48901011

Man, I know, but he was really sweaty and creepy about it. You know what I'm talking about. Like, it was exactly as awkward and uncomfortable as you'd expect.

I mean, I have to suspend my disbelief to pretend the players are heroic adventurers already. There's a limit to how far I can go.

>>48901032
It's a common misconception

>>48901046

Arthurian lore autist here, the rock was not invulnerable but it *was* placed in the middle of a bustling city that was very invested in keeping the sword ritual unmolested.

You could probably get a couple good hits in with a maul before the guard or a knight stopped you.

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>>48900638

>read walloftext
Haha, well played an...

>That gets me rock hard.
mfw

Laughed and baited, 10/10

>>48900903
>It's that no matter what his stats said, he couldn't convince me that they were hitting it off.
I too, insist my players perfectly mimic what their character abilities are.

Just the other day one of my players attempted to stab an Orc, and I said "Let me go get my training weapons and you try to stab me."

And when the fat ass 300 pound loser couldn't swing the sword hard enough to keep me from blocking it, I told him his attack missed. I don't care that he critted, if you can't convince me your character actually hit, it doesn't matter what you roll.

>>48900853
>elftits
That's a demon, though.

>>48901071
He invested character resources in playing a specific archetype.

Do you require the guy playing the 18-strength fighter to bench press for you before he kicks in a door?

>>48901071

Yeah I hear you, awkward that bad can be fixed but you're not there to be his psychologist.

My advice? If he's a good person that just wants a waifu I'd throw a nymph his way, someone regal and experienced that does most of the talking and pushes him out to do quests and deeds in her name, and when the metaphorical credits roll he goes back to wed her.

He gets a hot fairy wife, you don't have to reciprocate his spaghetti, you've just given him added motivation and you a new NPC, everyone wins.

>>48901110

A semen demon~

>>48901101
>>48901119

Anons, he's not saying the character had bad stats.

He's saying the player, while role playing his interest in the priestess, was godawful creepy about it. Stuttering and being bad with words is one thing and very excusable, but it sounds like he was straight up making the DM uncomfortable.

>>48901170
you make it sound like there are non semen demons

>>48901068

So basically a case of a coherent world being overwritten by LOLMAGIC just because of railroading

>>48901110
Oh look, the anon who gets triggered by Houtengeki drawing elves.

>>48901190
But if the character has good stats, shouldn't it have succeeded?

>>48901119

Of course not. I've never thwarted his attempts to negotiate better deals for the party, to get enemies to stand down and so on.

It's just that this was different in that it's a different kind of interaction. It's a more personal thing, to boot. Either that, or I just have absurdly high standards. I've run romance-heavy games before, and I usually drop the romance like a hot potato if the PC can't handle it in a mature way.

It's like one time when the party rescued a princess (not the same game) and it ended in a shouting match. Why? Because the party's feminist (Not used as a slur, she was genuinely a feminist) wanted the princess to learn how to manipulate people and rule the kingdom from the shadows.

The princess, who didn't care for any of this, just went:

> "I have peasants to do things for me."

That lead to a half-hour argument.

>>48901190
I know he's not saying the character had bad stats, idiot.

I'm pointing out the hilariously stupid shit that bad DMs do when they decided that roleplay should trump character stats in social encounters, insisting that it doesn't matter if the character is built as a face, if he can't talk well then he can never convince anyone of anything.

Which is stupid dogshit, and DMs who do it should go bite the fucking curb. RPGs are often about wish fulfillment, and players like to play and do characters that do things they can't do themselves. A guy who isn't a smooth talker might decide to play one who is, and he shouldn't be fucking punished for it because the DM randomly decides that the character can only do shit the player can do.

Fuck off with that shit, asshole. If you want to insist that rolls to diplomacy don't matter, then I'm going to insist we actually act out combat encounters, stats be damned.

>>48901190
If the DM gets uncomfortable, he should either discuss it OOC or just shut things off. The NPC could've just made it clear she wasn't interested. If the player still insisted on hitting on her, option 1 is the way to go.

>>48900903
>don't draw excalibur from the stone
>wield it as a hammer with the stone being the head insyead

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>>48901272

>>48901261
So what you're telling me is that he can only player his character the way he wants when you're ok with it, and any other time you're going to tell him he's a fag and should eat shit.

Only you aren't, you're going to be all fucking clever and coy about it and lead him on like a stupid shithead, then fuck him over at a later date.

>>48901266

Why should she have? She was relying on these assholes for protection. Stringing them along would make sense. If one guy clearly wants to fuck her, he'd be more inclined to protect her.

>>48901248

No? Merlin put the sword in there with every lord in England watching, they heard the magical prerequisites to pull it out and fully trusted Merlin as the greatest wise man (Cambrian) and sorcerer in Britain.

Nobody was going to shatter the rock because that would ruin the authority the sword wielded.

>>48901309
Well, if being manipulative like that was part of her character, or if the PCs didn't have a reputation for reliable, trustworthy professionalism, then I guess that could be sensible.

>>48901266
>The NPC could've just made it clear she wasn't interested.
We're confusing two things here.
Female NPC being flirty / leading PC on despite not being actually interested is perfectly understandable.
Tying success of PC action to properties of the player instead of PC's attributes is principally wrong unless you're LARPing.

>>48901263

Romance is a completely different beast than rolling diplomacy for negotiations, it requires legitimate effort on the part of the one trying to woo the woman that goes beyond mere rolls.

>>48901305

Dude, this was seriously uncomfortable. Being good at negotiating doesn't mean that you'll automatically hit it off with a woman.

Besides, she already had a fiancee. She wasn't about to put out for someone with nothing to offer, at any rate. I mean, maybe she'd have thought about it if he was really convincing, but he wasn't.

>>48901343
Why don't you just play a fucking no rules system if you're not going to use the rules?

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>>48901343
>Romance
>requires legitimate effort on the part of the one trying to woo the woman

>>48901361
Then fucking tell him he's being creepy. Don't be a stupid asshole.

>>48901342

Read the thread, friend. The DM used the player's rolls for diplomacy plenty of times before. The only reason this failed so miserably is because romance is not and should never be something decided by a couple of dice rolls, that's something you should play out with the DM and it turns out the player was terrible at it.

>>48901361
>she leads the guy on and reciprocates
>dude I wasn't trying to do anything haha it was all the guy being creepy
>does anyone else get rock hard deliberately crushing my players like this haha

All from you, OP.
You couls have just had her say "Are you hitting on me? I've got a fiance, thank you"

>>48901361
Did she, like, say "I have a fiancee" at any point?

>>48901374
you expect too much by neckbeards

>>48900638
>>48901101

I also do this. When the rogues try to pick locks, I lock them outside and wait for them to pick it. If they can't in 10 minutes, they fail the check...I don't have friends anymore

>>48901407

No, because it was fun stringing him along.

This girl was going to be stuck in an arranged marriage for the rest of her life. This was probably the most excitement she ever had, until it stopped being fun.

I mean, it's not like she really owed him anything.

>>48901362

Anon, you're being unreasonable here. Just because you can roll for conversation does not mean every conversation should have a roll.

There is rollplay and role-play, this was roleplay.

>>48901254
Not necessarily. It doesn't sound like there was any "lol-I-roll-to-seduce" shenanigans going on, and the player was just flirting in character and being weird about it. And honestly, even if there was a roll, Diplomacy isn't mind control, and players need to stop acting like it is.

i'm hoping the player lets the fiance know that his girl was trying to get side action before he showed up.
and since this isn't seduction the PC can use his diplomacy skills to convince him

>>48901436
You best roleplay your combat encounters as well.

>>48901448

That's an extremely childish way to get a bit of petty revenge, don't you think? A little flirting never hurt anyone, especially if you know you'll never see them again.

This is literally a case of the player should just accept she's gone and aim for someone else.

>>48901410
I have literally never had problems with talking to players about stuff like this. I have never had problems with the GM or other players pointing out flaws with the way I play, either. At any rate, talking about shit like grown-ups should at least be tried.

>>48901424
Okay, so did you at least ask the player to roll...Sense Motive or whatever the relevant skill is when the girl started apparently reciprocating?

>>48901448

Would he even believe him? The girl would just go "Ugh, you mean that creepy guy? No, he's just a creep with ideas above his station."

>>48901272
This happened in Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow.

>>48901471
But anon, talking to people to make the game enjoyable for all parties is what ADULTS do, not fags like op!

>>48901471

Why? It's just a casual conversation.

>>48901462

That's as absurd as insisting the barbarian should roll diplomacy every time he talks to an NPC.

>>48901510
Then why insist that roleplaying social interactions should be affected by the players ability to talk?

You're selectively saying that stats shouldn't matter.

>>48901502
Okay. Are you incapable of reading people's expressions, body language and tone of voice if it's just a casual conversation? Do you not, like, detect irony, or scorn, or attempts at appearing calm when someone is actually upset, if you aren't specifically on the lookout for them? Should the character be blind to non-verbal cues?

>>48901502
>flirting
>just casual conversation
Right, thanks for pointing this out. I keep forgetting about things that happen in mixed collective.

>>48901469
>letting a guy know his girl is unfaithful
>childish

>>48901547

Yeah, but she was never serious about the other dude. It's like how the girl you're orbiting never intends to fuck you.

>>48901343
Yeah. Romance is different.
For exemple, some people you absolutely can't stand and see as awful creep can have girlfriends, and you just don't know why.

Judging persuasion attempts and all that without roll is bad, because you never know what can persuade someone and every NPC will be like you, but doing so for romance is way worse, because people can be attracted by very differrent things than you.

If you already planned that she was with someone, that's alright. But you sound like every fucking time this PC will try to talk to a women, he's gonna get dropped hard and laughed at.

That's not nice, or fun.

>>48901547

>Yo sir knight, your fiancée said I have big, strong arms and soft wavy hair.
>She's clearly an unfaithful harlot, I'm sorry.

>>48901564

Except women lie all the time. If he'd been a dashing rogue, she might have been romanced. He wasn't, so she went with Plan A anyway and just wrote him off.

>>48901599
What? What is this bullshit?

First of all, big scoop, men lie a lot too. Second, what is the bulshit you're spouting with the dashing rogue? Not every women wants a dashing rogue, that's what I'm telling you.

And you don't seem to have even read what I was saying. Go back to it.

>>48901599
And the character has abilities that could have forewarned him to her deception, since this is apparently D&D.

Which he was not given the opportunity to use, because the DM thought he was being funny, instead of a shit.

>>48901564

Anon I'm not the OP, but I do agree that if he's just a very creepy and awkward person than he's going to remain single for the rest of the campaign, and that's just not nice.

OP just needs to figure out a way he can find a girl that either does the romancing for him, or gets the player flirting proper (it can happen, I've seen it personally from otherwise awkward spergs.) Giving him a pity fuck based on rolls is not the way to do it, the DM has to roleplay too, and it would just be stilted and bad for both of them if he despises the experience.

>>48901448
>side action
>implying she didn't feign reciprocation out of both pity and fear for her own safety if she told him to fuck off when she wouldn't be safe otherwise
Seriously, this would be that situation where the PC duals the fiancé for "the Lady's hand and my honor" and gets his ass thoroughly kicked

>>48901660
>PC duals the fiancé for "the Lady's hand and my honor"
Duels. Also PC can live through loss of honor. Or the other honor.

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>>48900638
>> PC grabs sword from priestess, draws it.
Shouldn't he and everyone in this thread be concerned about that?

"Charisma" should exclusively apply to physical appearance, all negotiation, bluffs, etc should simply be based on roleplaying quality.

>>48900638
Hilarious

>>48901653
And even then, not every campaign need romance.
If you can't deal with it correctly, just say "no romance in my game" and you're set.

He can perfectly have a shy girl who like awkards dudes, or a dominant girl who seduce him aggressively. It's not unrealistic by any means.

>>48900829
>magical realm
Stop throwing around buzzwords at every opportunity.

>>48901715

It's not like he wasn't told what would happen. He just wanted to be an anime MC.

>>48901732

I'm okay with romance, it's just that this guy is really bad at it. Another dude has a girl who really wants to fuck him, because he's actually selling the relationship very well.

>>48901660
OR, if for some reason the GM didn't make him a few levels higher than the PC, and the PC kills the guy through luck, then something like this happens:
>fiancé dies at the hands of this now fedora level creep
>priestess is hysterically crying and holding her dead betrothed
>PC is confused as to why she won't fling herself into his arms
>she freaks the fuck out if he even tries to touch her
>he doesn't grasp why someone would still reject him after killing her probably childhood sweetheart
From here it diverges into either: priestess murder, rape, or awkward apology since it finally clicks that they did something unforgivably wrong

>>48901732

Exactly, this was the learning experience OP needed to design a proper waifu for this guy, or just not give him a waifu at all.

>>48901836

Don't be stupid. No-one automatically gets a waifu, or deserves a love interest just by being in the party. You have to work at it.

>>48901814

>Another dude has a girl who really wants to fuck him

Mind giving us a greentext on that relationship and how he's selling it? Would be nice to have an example of "doing it right" after this thread of "doing it wrong."

>>48901767
He expected the GM to make things fun, not make him feel like a small idiot.

Because this is a game for having fun, remember? The GM could have just said "this isn't fun, dude, it's not what I came here to GM " but instead played along, and pulled out the rug from under the player just at the worst bit

>>48901849

Sorry, I'm from /pfg/, where "everyone gets a lover" is assumed.

A DM can design NPCs that mesh well with a player, but custom-building a girl feels sleazy. A PC falling in love with some random NPC you built is always a warm, fuzzy feeling.

>>48901695
Thanks for catching that, man. I screw stuff up from time to time by typing the wrong word, and auto complete doesn't help in that regard.
Honestly though, there are too many people who don't realize that they're being sperglords, and will challenge anyone for a "sleight on their honor"

>>48901876

Geez, it's not like she left him at the altar, it sounds like they spent a session or two having casual small-talk before moving on with the campaign. It should sting, but shouldn't be a defining moment of DM dickery.

>>48901814
>I'm okay with romance, if my players exactly do what I expect of romance
>>48901849
>You have to work at it, by doing exactly what I want

That's not good romance, or good gming tor that matters.

You don't seem to grasp that not everyone have the same expectations about romance, and not every girls and guys can be wooed the same way by the same people.

Yes, the biggest PUA you know can be ridiculed by a girl who prefer shy nerds. It does happens in life.

If you can't bring yourself to give your NPC a variety of interests and not the same point of view on romance than you, then don't do romance.

>>48901916
He does sounds like he will do that to that player every time just because he doesn't like how he flirt.

>>48901751
I'd say trying to act like a protagonist to get the girl, drawing a weapon he had no real hope of being able to use as a deus ex machina in "I'm the most important character" mentality qualifies as venturing into a type of magical realm. His character flew too high and came crashing down because of that, followed by a kick in the ribs from the DM

>>48901932
The DM isn't good, case closed?

>>48902035
Well, isnt the point to tell the gm what he did wrong so he can correct himself?
Or maybe you're just trying to shut down the dicussion by saying "well, you said he isn't good, so stop talking" or some shit, I don't know

>>48901916
I would be more accepting of that if not for OP's comment of the end
>You know, tease that it could l-lead t-to l-lewds, then having the girl be disgusted by the thought or just not interested. That gets me rock hard.

That's the GM pushing his NTR fetish on the players.

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>>48901862

Sure.

> Party is on the trail of a multi-part artifact, a crest split into multiple pieces.
> Party heads to a ball, where the next piece will be displayed.
> Urban Ranger is absolutely certain that someone will attempt to steal it, and warns the party to be ready.
> Rogue notices that several members of a rival adventuring company are amid the crowd, disguised. Party moves to shadow them.
> Spot check reveals that at least one of them has concealed weapons. The rival party's leader, a sorceress, is about to signal the distraction.
> Paladin publicly approaches the sorceress, asks her to dance. She's surprised, but she can't refuse without making a scene.
> The two of them waltz. Paladin manages a decent roll on skill check.
> While dancing, he informs her that he knows they're going to make a move and try to steal the artifact.
> Sorceress asks what he's going to do with her.
> Paladin tells her that no crime has been committed, yet. If they leave now, he'll call it even.
> Sorceress asks what happens if she goes ahead anyway.
> Paladin says that he'll be disappointed in her, because he knows that she's a far better person than she pretends to be.
> After the dance, the sorceress laughs and goes "It's my loss, then."
> She's approached by some of the guards, who are beginning to wonder if her invitation is forged. (It is.)
> The Paladin introduces her as his guest, and basically tells them "She's with me, it's okay. You have my word she'll behave."

It was remarkably smooth. They manage to avoid having the artifact stolen AND avoid turning the night into a running fight. After the ball was over, the sorceress (who always aspired to be a noble, and was flattered over being treated like one) kissed the Paladin on the cheek and more-or-less told him "Call me."

I gave the party XP for the encounter even though there was no fight.

>>48902035
As long as the DM doesn't do something like ridicule the player when they buy a shag from a prostitute
>"when he drops his breeches, the whore kneeling in front of him cannot help but collapse into a fit of laughter, since she's seen bigger dicks on the babes born of her fellow colleagues. She proceeds to give his money back and shoo him out of her room

>>48902135

Okay, that's good.

>>48902056
I just mean that this is what we're establishing. He isn't good, that's the fact of right now. Now we tell him what he could do better.

>>48901190
>Anons, he's not saying the character had bad stats.

Wait, what? That's literally the opposite of what they were saying. Their claim was that the characters abilities should supersede the players abilities because the character is the only one that exists in the fiction of the game world.

A bard player lacking in charisma shouldn't matter any more than a fighter player lacking in strength or years of battlefield experience in medieval warfare.

>>48900638
If the player genuinely has problems interacting with other people, maybe advise him to describe what he says generally rather than saying each part of it individually.

e.g.
>player: "I regale the priestess with tales of my grand (mostly fictional) adventures"
>rolls, gets 21
>DM: "She's fascinated by your tales of the exciting world that lies beyond her cloistered existence. She blushes when you tell the tale of how you seduced the pirate queen of the black coast, etc."

Honestly it sounds like you just enjoy abusing the power you have over the players. The priestess didn't have a lover until you decided that would a be a good way to hurt another persons feelings.

>>48902240

Yeah, she didn't have a lover. She had a fiancee. This was his chance to change her mind, and he blew it.

>>48902135
Okay, but just because this player is good at being charismatic and the other player isn't, it doesn't change the fact that the un-charismatic player rolled a charismatic character and should be able to use his stats appropriately.

>>48902240
Literally this. Make it about the characters. I think he just wanted to hurt his player because he didn't like the way he tried to woo her because he's awkward.

>>48902286
There are some actions which incur major penalties that can't be overcome without equally high bonuses.

A holy woman is an NPC with a devoted personality. She's engaged to a high-ranking military leader.

The but-his-Face can't make a check high enough to beat out the fact that flirting isn't compulsion. The check for it is probably in the impossible range, which no level 5 can even hit on a 20 without being absolutely useless for anything other than fucking everything that moves.

>>48902365

Most people in this thread can't see to understand that just because a woman's willing to have a chat, she isn't your waifu for life.

>>48902365
Except for the fact that the DM didn't make it about the roll. If she had an impossibly check, then that's fine, but if it was impossible because of the player's inability to woo the DM, then that's less okay.

>>48902409
*impossibly high

>>48902409

When you have someone like this fucking guy >>48902135 in your party, it's hard not to have high expectations.

>>48902409
Every NPC has their own shit going on. Whether or not the DM wants to host a fuck scene between Regie Roo and a priestess, some women just aren't about boning the last dude to roll into town. The DM gets executive authority over the personality of the NPCs.

If you want to transfer to the bone train, it's your responsibility as a player to do it for the sake of the party and the story direction. You're not the only player. No one wants to sit at a table while you fuck-fantasy at imaginary women.

>>48902365
Not that guy and I agree that player actions/ NPC personalities should definitely affect DCs, and that a a single persuade success shouldn't undo a NPCs established relationship. However OP didn't make it about the DC or the characters that actually exist within the game world: He made a character pretend to reciprocate some light flirting, an action that was entirely outside her established character, specifically so he could make the reveal that she never even considered the PC anything more than "just a guard" and to be "disgusted by the thought" specifically because it gets him "rock hard"

It's not just bad DMing, it's pretty deranged behaviour overall.

>>48902497

Why shouldn't she flirt with him? It passes the time. It's not like she had a casual fuck with him or something.

>>48902497
>He made a character pretend to reciprocate some light flirting

Sometimes, women will reciprocate flirting even when they have no intentions of blowing your brains out through your dick.

If anything, he went for realism.

>>48902497

Not going to lie, that was pretty arousing.

>>48902549
>>48902542

Of course women (and men) in general do that, I'm not sure about engaged priestesses though, seems like they'd be a bit more conservative. regardless, the only reason the priestess flirted back was because "a terrible idea has been planted" on the DMs mind. i.e He wants to lead the player on so that he can dissapoint him so the DM can get sexual gratification. If you think I'm over selling that, read the last two paragraphs OPs post again, it is explicitly stated as the reason for "badly disappointing" the player

>>48902497

Flirting is meaningless fun to pass the time, anon. It's a lubricant to something more, but it's not and should never be assumed as a solid indicator something more is going to happen, that's what the propositioning (aka, consent) is for.

This guy was just bad at freeform flirting, nothing wrong with that but it does mean he needs to improve to impress the DM, who has already shown he can play a girl that gets hot and bothered by PC behavior (>>48902135).

>>48902646

>2016
>He doesn't get turned on at leading people on

Anon please, what he did was hot as duck.

>>48902646
The player being "badly disappointed" was their own fault. What were they expecting so badly that not getting it would make them "badly disappointed"?

That player was already picking out names for their fictitious kids and their new dog. That player was trying to get UP INSIDE HER LIKE A RAVENOUS VAG-WOLF. AND THAT'S why they were "badly disappointed." THAT'S why it had that effect in the first place.

The player's mindset was already toxic to the game and the plot direction. This is one way to fix it without calling them out. It just happened to be arousing for the DM. I probably would have done the same without getting a stiffy over it.

After reading this thread I've concluded OP is trolling, and he's done a good job of it

>>48902646

Anon, you shouldn't be getting "badly disappointed" over a woman you just met refusing to touch your willy.

>>48902748
To add:

He was trying to seduce a holy woman, who was not only his client, but was on a very important sacred duty.

Against all warning, he tried to wield a cursed sword to try and earn brownie points with his client.

This is toxic behavior that can negatively impact the party if he continued on his Tang Quest.

>>48902666
Again, the only stated reason that the NPC even reciprocated was so that the DM could disappoint a player (not a player character) feelings to gain sexual gratification. Before that thought of hurting another person for fun was "planted" in the DMs mind he wanted to tell the player to "quit that shit". Again the only reason any of the interaction happened was so the PERSON playing the dungeon master could hurt the PERSON playing the PC because it makes the DM "rock hard"

This has nothing to do with flirting in real life, it's about the two people sitting at the table.

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>>48901394
>implying that wouldn't have the PC slap the sword out of her hand and tell the rest of the party this is now a kidnapping
AT least that would have been our face's reaction.

>>48902834
Dude, being a DM is all about leaving your players sexually frustrated.

D&D and it's predecessors have historically been virgin pits.

>>48902834
Also if the real life person sucks at flirting the DM just could've told them to abstract that shit out. It's the character flirting not the player.

>>48902463
Exactly this. Since we're going all autistic rules lawyer here, let's mention the greatest rule at the table: "the rule of group fun".
It's not a case of "his stats should have succeeded but his player lacked the skills in real life so it failed" as much as it is "this one guy's awkward attempts to make a virtual girlfriend at a role playing game table are threatening group fun".
From what we hear of the other romance example, it sounds like it fit naturally into the story and wasn't too forced, so it succeeded as part of the rule of group fun by contributing to the entire group's fun by being an interesting new character development that came about naturally and fit into the story. Completely different from one weirdo desperately forcing some sort of romance because he wants his own personal virtual girlfriend. Since neither the bad or good romance example affected anything mechanically going based purely on stats isn't really the best idea. Rather since both are pure roleplay fluff it should be decided which succeeds based on how it contributes to the cumulative group's total fun.

>>48901232
Yes, there are r9k demons, RAGE demons, dickish demons, stealthy demons, even more dickish and clever demons....

>>48902017
"Magical realm" very specifically refers to indelicately trying to your fetishes into a game with no care for other people.

The only things the OP's player is guilty of is getting ahead of themselves and assuming that being a protagonist means they're universally a central character.

>>48902881
>>48902899
>>48902881
Nothing in the OPs post indicates that the player wanted a "virtual girlfriend" or that he thought the world revolved around his character. His face character lightly and ineptly flirted with another character and the DM stomped on him for it. Any presumption of the players intentions is meaningless because DM didn't know and we're seeing it from his perspective.

>>48902964
>Any presumption of the players intentions is meaningless because DM didn't know and we're seeing it from his perspective.

Considering the player got deeply butt-hurt from it, I think it's easy to say the DM noticed he wanted a virtual girlfriend.

>>48901068
Does that mean if you remove the stone you'll have a floating sword that cannot be moved? That'd be pretty neat.

>>48902992
Maybe, but maybe the player got upset because he realised the DM was changing events specifically to disappoint the player, which is explicitly what happened in OPs post. Again, because we're seeing events from the perspective of someone who, by his own admission likes to hurt, or at least frustrate, other people I'm not sure we really count on his testimony of how "butthurt" the other guy was.

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>>48901110
Demon, elf, who cares. POINTY EARS

>>48901073
>mythconception

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>>48901068

>>48901263
>>48901362
>>48901462
>>48901534
Different anon here. Let me point you out something - if you take a close look at the story told by OP, you'll realize you're kinda in the wrong here, as the player didn't roll. He simply didn't roll to flirt with the priestess. He was just roleplaying trying to seduce her.
If you want the stats to come into play - at least in a system like D&D - you'll have to roll for it. You can't roleplay attacking an enemy and expecting to kill him without rolling just because you have 20 Strength, unless it was already stated by the DM you didn't have to roll because it was a easy target or something.

Not to say that all social interactions require rolls to succeed - of course they don't, that'd be ridiculously boring. But you have to at least perform a reasonably convincing roleplay for them to work - or, if you can't do that, just tell the DM you can't be bothered and will instead rtd.
Theerefore, OP had literally no obligation to make the guy's flirting succeed. At all.

>>48905259
It just seems that OP handled it poorly.

itt: OP brags about being an asshole to his friends, on purpose, just for the lulz
itt: anons defend him

>>48901159
I like this option, myself. Seems like a good solution all around.

>>48905445
No no, anon! OP is just tsundere! He LOVES his players, he can't help it if he loves fucking with them MORE.

>>48905445
>>48905316
>>48905487

He's already given us a situation where a player roleplayed seduction properly, and the girl was aching for the dick by the end.

>>48901272
>Hammer of the Kingmaker

>>48902135
> Sorceress asks what happens if she goes ahead anyway.
> Paladin says that he'll be disappointed in her, because he knows that she's a far better person than she pretends to be.

This bit confuses me. Wouldn't springing the heist make her a worse person after a warning?

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>>48905515
Hey, if you wanna play with this faggot, you have my unmitigated permission to get fucking reamed on a regular basis all you like.
Seriously, tho - bein' trapped in a dank room with a bunch of sweaty, dorito-dusted mouthbreathers 'aching for the dick' is not my cup of tea......

>>48905533
>becomes iconic weapon of the character
>raises to fame with them
>finally up against the main antagonist
>"I've been watching you, hero, and I have prepared."
>complete immunity to blunt damage
>hero can only flail at the foe impotently
>with the first strike, sword suddenly dislodges from the stone

>>48905259
>dude didn't roll, therefore no harm no foul
Fuck! Do you even roleplay, brah?
GM should have demanded a roll as soon as the player started to roleplay the action. The GM didn't do this - he simply chose, maliciously, to fuck with his player's mind. Without a roll, I might add. Simple personal shittiness dictated the chain of events the OP described.
tl;dr - OP is a shit gm, gradeschool tier, 0/10. would never recommend.

>>48905648
THIS is an epic-tier GM. Won't bend his game for the players; but he still has their backs.

>>48902409
Or what if the character would realize it wouldn't work, but the player doesn't... Should the DM tell them that the character would realize this?

>>48903089
Bringing it all the way back around full-circle though, I think the addition of the Fiancee to the game was a good GM tactic to let the player know that (s)he wasn't about to RP a sex scene between GM and player. It saves the player the embarrassment of having to be pulled aside and scolded for being a creeper. Story time:

>be me, playing with (what was otherwise) my best all-time group in a GURPS Babylonian setting. [History majors make great GMs]
>Party Healer is played by a nice young lady
>Party Healer's real life fiancee is Party Tank
>Party Healer's best friend is GM.
>Awesome group except...
>Fiancee's creepy work acquaintance is playing a "roguish charmer with a feathered hat" aka a character just as creepy IC as OOC.
>We're all waiting for the in-game romance to start between Healer and Tank, but eventually realize that that isn't going to happen - They both have the tact not to RP sexual fantasies in front of their old friends.
>Creeper possibly interprets this to mean that he can fill the sexual vacuum with his character flirting with Healer and trying to fuck her NPC handmaidens.
>GM has a handmaiden stab the IC/OOC Creeper in the eye; blinding his character
>msgreceived.m4r

>>48906418
Yes. That's his job. NOT to fuck over his players for his own amusement.

>>48906865
Why does romance = sexual fantasies in that scenario?

Admittedly, it's kind of a dick move to put everything else aside to roleplay your characters going through the motions of romance, but it doesn't have to be sexual. It could almost be like building a friendship with another character.

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Reading this thread has made me reflect on my past characters.

>Most of them are either unapproachable because of their sorta misanthropic attitude, already have someone in their backstory and are faithful, or legitimately unfuckable because they're a robot
>The only one that wasn't, and was actually served a waifu NPC on a silver platter, was anime protagonist dense, mostly because I was new to roleplaying and I felt kinda awkward

Fuck.

>>48905600

I think he meant "I know you're better than this, so don't do it."

>>48900638
holy king of cucks OP, that was delicious and I love you

>>48905704

Isn't that sort of bending the rules of the game? Because he's arguably drawing the sword from the stone, while the sword should never come out of the stone.

>>48907818
it doesn't necessarily. I was just giving another example where the GM would, by fiat, make any attempts by a creepy player's character to chat up an NPC automatically fail regardless of charisma or whichever skill.
In an ideal world, all players would have decided beforehand whether the game is going to have "18+ Mature Themes" in them, and male heterosexual GMs are totally comfortable roleplaying as waifus for the benefit of their sex-starved players. But this isn't an ideal world, and sometimes the best tactic to deal with That Guy is to send a message with in-game consequences rather than pull the little creep aside and embarrass him.

>>48900638

OP, I feel for you. I usually only allow a romance to proceed as according to the rules in the Blood & Lust supplement for Pendragon. If the player gets creepy about it, you have to shut him down. If things don't click, the NPC isn't obligated to continue. Just like real life, it can be really easy to turn women off.

(For those wondering, it's "The Adventure of the Heart Blade", which centers around the romance between a PC and a heiress.)

I've had a modern urban-fantasy game where the players are all holy knights (think GARO or the Iscariot Section from Hellsing) and here the romance occurred because the PC in question really impressed the girl from the get-go. I'll detail it if anyone's interested.

>>48900638

There was a campaign I played in where it was the DM who got disappointed, because one of the PCs initially got together with the self-insert love interest, but decided to fuck his lecherous father instead.

>>48908322
>GARO
Tell me more.

>>48901110
Difference?

>>48901374
The fundamental problem is that socially inept moron A is complaining about socially inept moron B.

It's an endless loop. The people involved don't even realize ther contribution to the problem and can't quantify anyone else's in any way that has value. There's no fix.

>>48900638
I think you're full of shit, but I do like the good old twist.

>BBEG is "Awoken Ancient Evil #127" archetype
>Party spends and invests a lot of time learning and amazing how he was defeated last time
>Approach him with his weakness and hit him with it full blast.
>Villain reels and I actually act out going "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH-I really had you going there, didn't I?"
>Turns out first thing BBEG did was make sure he was immune to his old weaknesses
>Rest of the party runs, Paladin stays saying "fuck that shit, we're here, we finish this now."
>Rest of the party is forced to back up the paladin
>BBEG's last words were "In my scheme to ensure I was immune to my old weakness, I forgot to immunize myself against all my limbs being torn off and half my body crushed and set ablaze with holy fire..."

This didn't happen, but hopefully it's a funny story anyway.

>>48901421
When they get hit by fireballs, I douse them in gas and strike a match to replicate saving throws.

>>48900903
>Mjolinir
Marvel Comics expressly allow anyone who meets the criteria to lift the hammer, this isn't 'bending the rules', it is the fucking rules.
Myth, there was no magic to holding the hammer. Giants held it, other gods held it, elves held it, dwarves held it. It's been man handled by everyone by the point.

>>48908867
>be a third degree black belt
>GM insists I act out my flurry of blows attack on him
>I'm not wanted for manslaughter

Maybe I should have rolled a diplomancer bard instead?

The PCs are all Apocalypse Knights, with the sole mission of killing the antichrist with the Daggers of Megido (Like in the Omen.) Each 'dagger' refers to both the physical dagger, and one of the seven knightly orders tasked with hunting down evil worldwide. (The idea is that anyone who is sufficiently evil can become the antichrist, who reincarnates in the mockery of Jesus, so the knights are constantly hunting his next incarnation and killing him before he can bring about the end of days.)

All of the PCs are mighty individual heroes. Unlike in GARO, their armor is technological or mystical: Each of them incorporates part of the armor of the original seven crusaders. Generally they battle vampires or demons, but the line isn't clear between the two. They have a combination of holy magic and religious indoctrination that allows them to go toe-to-toe with demons, and their trademark weapons are flaming swords. (For instance, they have actual magic that lets them exorcise evil, but they can also perform acts of great willpower - known as Control Disciplines - that let them shrug off supernatural fear, ignore wounds, push their physical bodies beyond the limit and so on.)

Basically each character had an opening interlude (Purging a village full of vampires, entering an African warzone to kill a powerful undead creature from a prehuman civilization). The last player was fairly new at RPGs, so he got an interlude both to introduce him to the world and to emphasize that each PC was actually extremely powerful.

This particular PC was in Europe, where a quintet of holy songstresses (there are multiple arms of the Church into the whole demon-busting thing. The songstresses are trained by the immortal Master Conductor to use song magic. While they're individually weak, they can combine their powers) was hunting a werewolf. It was a foggy, misty night with ominous bells tolling in the background.

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>>48908956

The girls were badly overmatched. They just couldn't take on a rampaging beast-man by themselves, and the thing was a cunning and lethal hunter that picked them off one-by-one. (It's like that scene in the GARO movie, where Makai Priests take on a Horror in a messy fight that nearly gets them all killed, then Kouga shows up to destroy it with comparatively little effort.)

Now, the PC was still figuring out his abilities, but he really played the role to a T. He actually first showed up when one of the girls was knocked off the spire where they'd been fighting, and he swooped in (the PC has a winged jetpack) to rescue her and princess-carry her to safety. He then laid a finger against her lips and told her:

> "Be not afraid. Help has come."

Obviously, this is a great way to make a first impression, and that particular girl clearly wasn't in a hurry for him to put her down. When he'd set her down, she managed to blurt out that their leader had been grabbed by the werewolf, and dragged off.

The thing had pinned her down in the chapel, and was wondering whether to rape her, eat her, or do both in no particular order. The PC promptly smashed through one of those giant stained-glass windows like an avenging angel, and hacked off the thing's arm with his silver sword. Then he set it on fire and cut it in half.

So there's this vulnerable girl in the room with her clothes torn, and I go on about how the moonlight highlights the first flush in her cheeks and the alluring rents in her costume that don't mar the supple flesh underneath. So he drapes his coat over her, and removes his helmet to ask if he's all right.

Surprise, he's classically handsome beneath it!

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>>48908952
It was in-character. Show the cops your dice bag. Bring donuts for a +2 on the Diplomacy check.

>>48905648

Better

> BBEG disarms the character, draws the sword himself
> "Thank you for returning this to me. You can keep the Rock."
> The stone, while lacking a handle, still turns out to deal the same damage and has all the buffs on it that you have been using it for up until now gamewise
> The BBEG has pulled out the sword of kings, showing his right to rule
> But you can totally beat his ass to death with the fucking Stone

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>>48908985

If you're wondering why this PC gets all the attention, it's because he's specifically 'the pretty one'. The other two are 'the combat monster' and 'the angst-ridden one' respectively, with subplots involving a crisis of faith (and daddy issues) with the latter being about a dark, dark secret.

Later, when the PCs have some downtime and the Quintet is visiting, I ask this PC what he's doing. He says that he's training and polishing his armor and stuff. So the songstress's leader visits him in his room, and she's taken aback! She can't take her eyes off this guy, who looks like one of those portraits of a muscular angel about to do some serious smiting. This girl is actually the most tomboyish of the group and she's here on serious business, but she's all flustered and fidgeting and trying to look him in the eye, because otherwise she'll be staring at his abs instead.

So he asks if she's all right. More importantly, he tells her that her outfit 'suits her'.

After that, she starts dressing in a more feminine way. See, when a girl really likes you, she'll show it: When the PCs are on the trail of a demon clown that makes it's nest in an amusement park, the idea is that each knight will pair off with one of the girls and pretend to be a couple.

The leader immediately grabs onto the PC's arm, and states that she wants to go with him. And he agrees, which means it's a date!

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>>48909470

So that's how you do it, to my mind. If the PC had done poorly at any point, I'd have just dropped the plot. But he did pretty well to my eye, so it just kept going.

>>48900638

I, is this NTR?

>>48910546
No, chance for NTR got shot down hard and fast. Player had been chasing an NPC with no real intentions of putting out.

>>48910546

Why are you fuckers so triggered by NTR, I don't even know. The better man gets the woman, because he's earned it.

>>48910789
Half of NTR is just 'I'm sorry sweet and kind person who I was totally in love with, this jerk has a bigger dick so I can't stand being with you.' It's just stupid.

>>48900638
i am stealing that shit so hard.

can't wait to ruin my stupid bard's day.

>>48910884

That's what we call being a 'beta orbiter'. Women like bad boys more, they only settle for 'sweet and kind' after they're bored of fun and need a provider.

>>48902698

I have to try this sometime, but I know my players will whine and cry and bitch about this. Should be hilarious to see.

>Am I the only one who takes a kind of pleasure in badly disappointing players like this? For instance, if they meet a princess who's all vulnerable and looking for a good man...And it turns out that she already has a lover. All the flirting was just to pass the time

it was intended, op is an asshole, case closed- and yes, I've read the whole thread before came to my own conclusion, thank you.

>>48912261

He's inspired me to try and re-enact this with my group's 'ladies' man'. NTR is fucking hot, in the misery porn sense.

>>48912261
What was the fourth word in the 123rd post from the bottom? If you can't answer that, you haven't read the whole post.

Just because you're an asshole doesn't mean you're wrong.

>>48901272
I played Magicka, too.
Good game.

>>48900638
>N
>T
>R

>>48912287
>Just because you're an asshole doesn't mean you're wrong.
That depends entirely on how you define wrong.
Many would agree that it is wrong to act like an asshole, in which case, OP is both.
At any rate, the questions of intent and whether or not OP was an asshole have been resolved satisfactorily.

>What was the fourth word in the 123rd post from the bottom? If you can't answer that, you haven't read the whole post.
I believe you meant "the whole thread"?
At the time of your post, the answer was "to".

>>48911001
MRA? MRA.

>>48901343
>>48901361
>>48901362

This is why charisma isn't a stat in my games and I brewed the charisma casters to use Wis or Int instead.
I require my players to actually think and role play through interactions.

>>48913914
>I require my players to actually think and role play through interactions.
>I require my players to actually think
Can't they just roll against their Wis or Not instead of thinking?
Better get rid of those stats too.

Honestly, is it really that hard for people to not play like asshats?

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A priestess allowed to marry anyone other than their God is doing it wrong and should be hanged by the neck until dead.

The priestess being a flirty retard could easily be used by an enterprising player as an effective avenue of blackmail. Once you got the in you can start getting your claws into everyone else involved in the sword. I'd have the sword sold to my favorite demonic patron and the knighthood order sacrificing children in under a month.

>>48914991

The girl's actually quite smart, in that she dropped the PC like a hot potato the moment he was no longer useful. When the dirty mercenaries have fucked off, she'll be having incredible amounts of sex with her handsome fiancee, and live the pampered life of a noblewoman.

Who would possibly pass this up?

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>>48915702
She should due her duty at the Temple of Ishtar and be the town cumdump. Bring back holy whores!

>>48911001

Why is "sweet and kind" incapable of being fun too?

Most people who seem bitter about women going for the "good guys" in the end always have a very nebulous definition of what a "good guy" is.

>>48914991

OP here. I'd honestly be surprised if the PCs could think of something like that. They're already halfway on the trek back to the hub city.

>>48916033

No-one's bitter about it. People feel sorry for the good guys, because they're left to pick up the bill for used goods. It feels that they're getting the raw deal, because someone else has already gotten the prize for free.

>>48914991
>A priestess allowed to marry anyone other than their God is doing it wrong
depending on the affiliation of the knight, it's quite possible their god would be totally okay with it

gotta keep the blood of the pious alive

GM, let's be completely honest. You seduce your PCs with NPC waifus just so you can let them down.

>>48916033

Le "Nice guys are actually misogynists and Chad beating me is liberating to me as a feminist" meme.

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>Make a character whose motivation for joining the group is finding his brother's murderer.
>Interrogate every npc about the subject
>Six months later no clues
>Campaign ends
>No plan for a sequel

What kind of monster get sexual pleasure out of something like this?

>>48916286

The DM probably forgot, it happens.

>>48916134
>implying a woman is used goods
Maybe you should recognize that women are people, and not produce or only meant for you to use?

>>48916134
>No-one's bitter about it.
In this very forum, there are people that are bitter about non existent races being able to be played by strangers they don't know, in games they don't play, in places they've never been.
But you don't believe that people are bitter that nice guys have to wait for girls to get tired of slutting it up with asshats before they settle down with them?
Where do you think you are?

>>48916134

Women aren't ruined by cocks going into them, they're ruined by shitty personalities and no direction in life.

You're also implying the good guys aren't doing the same thing too, is a man off the market the moment they have some sloppy awkward sex with a girl in high school? What about college?

>>48916401
While he was interrogating every NPC about it? That seems unlikely.

>>48916433
Tumblr pls go

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>>48916401
It came up literally almost every single session.

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>NTR
Y'll niggas a bunch of dumb niggas. There are ways to go against NTR, and get back your woman.

>>48916516
>Implying that a tumblr account would make a difference in my acknowledgement that women are people too, instead of something to be used

>>48916033
>Why is "sweet and kind" incapable of being fun too?
It's perceived as being less fun because showing respect, for the girl, for others, for yourself, just respect in general, has fallen out of fashion.
It's not cool to be respectful and if you are sweet and kind to a girl you are being respectful of her, and therefore not cool, dude.
Girls are often perfectly capable of recognizing that a guy can be sweet kind and fun but the guys without girls prefer to overlook that fact.

But the bottom line has always been good girls will be with guys that they are attracted to. It just takes some girls a while two mature enough to be attracted to mature qualities.
Lonely guys can't pretend they are more attractive to girls than they are, or that they think they are, but they can easily pretend they are more mature.

>>48916459

>Nice guys have to wait for girls to finish slutting it up with assholes

I hate this meme, there is nothing stopping a "nice guy" from dating, and the assumption girls always go for assholes just strikes me as people who despise men who are more assertive and dominant than themselves.

>>48916609
Don't you have a fedora to wash?

>>48916620

>Respect has fallen out of fashion

What makes you think that?

>>48916433
>women are people
>>48916609
>women are people
Not the anon you're responding to.
It's funny, my opinion has always been that women are people, too.
But I like them anyway.

>>48916636
It's basically just observations of the few cases of it and confirmation bias. Probably some other biases as well.

>>48916706

It just strikes me as a case of sour grapes; anon is "clearly a nice guy" but girls don't want to date him, this is obviously because girls his age are whores that want to have fun before settling down with a nice guy like him.

It pins the problem on women and insists anon should stay the course, saying he will "eventually win" and get the woman he deserves without changing anything about his life.

>>48916680
>>Respect has fallen out of fashion
>What makes you think that?
Well I could write a whole essay on it.
And I should preface that I'm primarily talking about American culture but it has spread.

In the 60s, america learned not to blindly trust and respect its leaders. The hippie movement rocketed away from the concepts of blindly respecting society's rules.
This in and of itself was fine but over the years, all the things that have traditionally been respected throughout history became unfashionable to respect.
It's unfashionable to respect the law, your family, the establishment, the government, religious organizations,etc.
It's fashionable to be a rebel, it's fashionable to to oppose, to be contrarian, to disrespect others is to be more fashionable than them.
To to disrespect yourself, to abuse yourself, to bring yourself down to the lowest level is the ultimate form of rebellion, and disrespect, and the height of fashion.

Rock stars don't respect others they demand respect from others.
Polite Canadians respect others.

Respect for yourself, respect for others, respect for society, and respect in general is the cornerstone of civilization and we are abandoning it because it's not cool.

>>48916919
Respect is earned, not given

>>48916824
That's it in a nutshell.
The flip side of this phenomenon for women, or rather girls, is older men.
"Older men are more mature."
I have explained it to a number of young girls thinking that older men were the answer, that older men are not more mature, mature men are more mature.
A 17 year old man is more mature than a 35 year-old boy. And any 35 year old who says he's not too old for a 17 year old girl is a creep they need to stay away from.
I've told them they just need to look for guys their own age who are actively interested in doing things that they are interested in. And not just hanging around malls, and the like, trying to get in their pants. Because no mature guys try doing that.

>>48916953
You are part of the problem.

>>48917041
>they just need to look for guys their own age who are actively interested in doing things that they are interested in. And not just hanging around malls, and the like, trying to get in their pants. Because no mature guys try doing that.
It is, however, a convenient excuse for letting hot guy in your pants and writing it off as a naivete and not being a slut.

>>48916586
greatest hentai ever made right here

>>48917085
What was the excuse there?

>>48917079
Society made me this way

>>48917111
That's a bold claim, do you have something to back it up?

>>48916953
People who treat others with contempt while demanding respect are horrible to work with.

>>48917137
I’m gonna make a change, for once in my life
It’s gonna feel real good, gonna make a difference
Gonna make it right...

As I turn up the collar on my favorite winter coat
This wind is blowin’ my mind
I see the kids in the street, with not enough to eat
Who am I, to be blind? Pretending not to see their needs
A summer’s disregard, a broken bottle top
And a one man’s soul
They follow each other on the wind ya’ know
’Cause they got nowhere to go
That’s why I want you to know

I’m starting with the man in the mirror
I’m asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change

>>48917180
Doubting the authority of others strengthens legitimate authority and reveals pretenders for the corrupt sacks of shit that they are. Only cowards and criminals confuse doubt with contempt.

>>48917143
Well anon I like it the most so that's my reasoning.

>>48917215
>Doubting the authority of others strengthens legitimate authority and reveals pretenders for the corrupt sacks of shit that they are.
This only works if you actually respect legitimate authority.

>Only cowards and criminals confuse doubt with contempt.
Questioning authority is good.
Refusing to respect anyone or anything until they've "earned" your respect *is* contempt.

>>48917085

Anon please, if you could get casual sex from a hot woman you'd do it too.

Hate to say it, but women are also able to yearn for one man as a sexual partner while realizing another makes a better life partner. Most women in this case will go with the life partner even though they know the sex with the other man is better.

This is called compromise.

>>48917498
Actually, I would not. Personal preference.
But I can see how most men would, yes.

>>48917325

Anon I don't think you're aware, but the "I hate authority" thing is typically reserved for the worst kinds of college liberals (a minority of the university population) or particularly stereotypical teenagers.

The vast majority of people are either supportive or non-hostile to authority and respect. This was most solidly proven when Bernie Sanders fucking DIED as a candidate and the BLM movement became known as a huge joke, same with the Occupy Wall Street movement years before.

These anti-authority people are always visible because they're going against the flow, "man thinks the police are cool" does not make the headlines.

>>48917498

Expanding on this, women who insist on open-relationships or advocate polygamy are displaying immaturity, and inability to accept they can't have their cake and eat it too. This truth is reinforced by the all-too-common situation (as seen on the Reddit polygamy subthreads) where the woman is absolutely furious at her husband finding love in the arms of another while she's been spending her time ball's deep on some random hookup. She doesn't want an open relationship, she wants to have sex and security.

>>48901062
>You're not the hero until you're level 9.
Fuckin truth right here.

Level ones swagger into my game bragging like they're God's gift to gaming because they rolled max strength, then they get oneshotted by a skeleton, pick up a lingering injury, and have to sleep off their wounds for a week. Suddenly they realize just how far those 6 hit points will actually take them.

>>48917581
>The vast majority of people are either supportive or non-hostile to authority and respect.
I am aware.
The silent majority have never dictated what is fashionable.
The more it becomes normal for the vocal minority to depict showing respect as undesirable, the more the idea becomes normal.
It happens slowly, but it has happened and is happening.

>This was most solidly proven when Bernie Sanders fucking DIED as a candidate
I did not think his loss was that severe, but I could be mistaken.
>the BLM movement became known as a huge joke
Well, that's really just the novelty of insanity wearing off, but I can see your point in there.
>same with the Occupy Wall Street movement years before
That was just the same thing that happens when /tg/ tries to get shit done. Without strong leadership, straightforward goals, and individuals willing to work with dedication, even the most passionate ideas fall apart.

>>48900993
You know that players just don't believe the GM, right?

>>48900995
That was not excalibur, though. But anyway, so what? The challenge was in drawing the swordnfrom the rock, not in taking the sword at all costs. You proved nothing about your birthright, and now we have to stick the fucking sword into another rock. Asshole.

>>48917498
Expanding on this, I think most people can divide people to whom they're attracted into three general categories: people they can jerk it to, people they can fuck and people they can live with. Some people have the totally unrealistic expectation that a given person can be all three (please, feel free to show me your collection of live unicorns if you believe this to be the case), but most people have the (still kind of unrealistic, but much less so) expectation that a person can be the latter two at the same time. There isn't necessarily a lot of crossover between any of those categories and most people are okay with making concessions in one category in favor of another. Oddly enough, otaku are more in-tune with this dissonance than most other people. Clumsy girls are really cute in anime and really annoying in real life. Getting cornered, sexually bullied and gotten off by a short girl with huge tits is a really awesome fantasy. If you have enough money, a decent network of contacts and a willing partner, you can find yourself in a consensual version of this without that much effort. There are decidedly few humans on this earth who would actually want to encounter this scenario in the wild.

Too many people are both in denial regarding the above about themselves and completely unwilling to understand or accept it in others. If you're going to be with someone in the long-term, you need to understand and accept that they are going to be physically attracted to people who are not you. They probably won't act on it, especially if they know ahead of time that there are no second chances and fuckups aren't allowed back in the house, but it's going to happen. They aren't going to give up porn just because they have you because however great you think you are you are not a perfect being capable of adapted and appealing to all tastes simultaneously.

>>48908206
shh

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>>48901272

>>48916586
>>48917111
Sauce? Can't reverse search on my phone.

>>48916639
Because pointing out the anon's attitude toward women makes me a fedora wearing neckbeard?

>>48920956
Yes it does

>>48920974
That is the most sperglord defense of treating a woman like shit if she slept with a guy that you didn't like I have ever heard.
I honestly can't fathom how anyone can defend the idea that a girl who sleeps around is a whore, whereas a guy is considered awesome for sleeping around too

>>48921082
Means you are either a female or a numale

>>48921254
Or maybe it just means I'm not a stupid entitled twatnugget like you?

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>>48922557
Was i right?

>>48909470
So now that we gt all that nice guy bullshit out f the way, what happens next?

Something a lot of people in this thread seem to miss is that you can be the most charismatic man in the world and you can STILL strike out with a woman though circumstances completely out of your control. Like her having a fiancee and the moral compass to not cheat on them.

>>48921254
Post-commie barbarian here, the fuck is a numale?

>>48922799

Oh, eventually the girl was kidnapped by the PC's rival, a vampire knight. The guy wanted to force her into singing the requiem that would awaken an Elder, which was his master plan: He'd even stolen the Blood of Christ as part of the components for the ritual. Part of the ritual involved marrying her, then defiling her right before forcing her to sing, because the defilement of innocence has ritual power in itself.

The PCs stormed the skyscraper where the wedding was supposed to be held, and they proceeded to fight all kinds of vampiric horrors. Eventually, the PC dueled his opposite number - the girl had been locked in her bridal chamber before the wedding - and forced him to retreat.

So he broke down the door, and saw that the girl (in her wedding dress) had managed to force open a window and was preparing to jump. When she saw him, she collapsed in his arms, weeping out of sheer relief because she'd been afraid that it would've been the other guy coming to rape her.

The PC promptly kissed her and asked her to marry him. She agreed, enthusiastically, and another PC - a knight who was also an ordained priest - officiated the wedding right there. Given that there was already a luxuriously-appointed bedroom, they consummated the marriage mere hours later.

(Interestingly enough, this caused the girl to lose her powers, as she was no longer a virgin. Not necessarily a bad thing in this case, though.)

>>48923499
Something that looks like a male, but acts like a vagina

>>48923499
male feminist

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>>48923499

You may know them better by the term they had a few years back.

"Goony beard-man"

You know, the kind of well-behaving beta orbiter who will act as a loyal attack dog for a feminist.

>>48923777
lol at the multiple Sam Hydes.

>>48923777
I don't think we have those here, hence the confusion. We don't really do feminism or social justice (the only soul to ever attempt an SJ course that I'm aware of got laughed out of the university). Thanks.

>>48924512

.....Dude, the RPG community is already co-opted.

The writers of Eclipse Phase 'fired' anti-feminists from playing their games.

Wil Wheaton basically said that people who deserve feminists don't deserve to be in the hobby.

RPG.net literally has a rule where you cannot DISAGREE with female posters.

>>48924554

>wheaton said that people who DISAGREE WITH feminists

damn fingers type faster than I can proofread.

>>48924554
>RPG.net literally has a rule where you cannot DISAGREE with female posters.

I find that hard to believe. Sauce?

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>>48924554
Interesting. I mostly, or exclusively, use localized services and communities so I don't really pay attention to anglophone bullshit, nor do I care what Wesley has to say on the matter without the captain around to shut him up.
To be perfectly honest, this looks surreal.

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>>48924725
Well fuck.

>>48924725

This is literal thought control.

>>48908859
>this, like all greentext stories, is a complete fabrication
Please kill yourself, NARPfag shitposter.

>>48925941
Nope, it's regular censorship. You can think those things, you just can't vocalize them.

>>48926104

It makes me wonder if there are any RPGs based off a predominantly right-wing viewpoint. Like, righteous crusaders battling the Saracen hordes, heroes defending the Wall from subhumans, heroic revolutinaries Taking America Back.

>>48926220
The Varg Vikernes thing.
Also arguably Paranoia.

>>48926273

The latter is sort of tongue-in-cheek.

I want it to be completely earnest and unironic.

>>48926443
It could be argued that the setting of Cyberworld gives some sympathy to repressive right wing regimes, as it is said that the Provisional Government (A fascist government that gained power through a coup) is literally the only thing holding America together.

>>48924725

It appears as though this rule has been put in place two years ago.

Has the forum taken a turn for the worse since implementing this rule? Are people actually suffering for discussion because of it?

>>48926868

It's gotta be longer than that.

This shit was being discussed well before that controversy which shall not be named, because I get banned when I mention it.

>>48927377
>This shit was being discussed well before that controversy which shall not be named, because I get banned when I mention it.

But is the forum a cesspit of shitty people and shittier roleplay? I'm passively observing the forum right now, and although it's quite active I can't get a good reading on the quality of players in the IC threads (though some of them are downright cancerous.)

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>>48923777
>Anthony Burch

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>>48913624
I didn't expect anyone to take the bait.
You actually checked the fourth word of the 123rd post from the bottom.
Why did you do that?

>>48927806
But did I really?

>>48901032

Yeah, but most adaptations make them one in the same for story purposes.

Honestly, I don't blame them. Even the best Arthurain movie, Excalibur, does this.

>>48927806

Google has a lot of money, man, I'm sure they just pull the other dollar from their vast coffers.

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>>48928042
Okay, I did.
As to why?
Because of pic related more than anything.
But I also agreed with the anon I supported.

>>48902135
So player B acts like a shounen protagonist, gets rewarded.
Player A acted like a sleazy adventurer, gets rejected.

The latter is somewhat acceptable, but the former is GAAAAAAAAAY

>>48900638
Pretty certain I've seen this Pasta about before.
Wasn't great back then, either.

>All this SJW in here
ctrl+f 'creep' and 'fedora'
They are using those two words unironically to criticize socially unadjusted men.

You should kill yourself for shitting on the underdogs desu

>>48932851
Fedora has long been a joke.
Creep is a legitimate term that can easily be applied to the socially retarded as well as those individuals more dedicated to being unsavory.

For example, if you stand there staring at a young girl while licking your lips, whether you realize that you are doing it or not, you're being a creep.

>>48905677

If cucking creeps is the mark of a shit GM then I'd never want to play at your table mate.

That shit was fucking hilarious.

>>48901062
As a level 2 rogue, I literally just went and seduced a barmaid in our previous session. Am I doing it wrong?

>>48933167
/tg/ has always called you out for being an asshole, no matter what your opinions are.

>>48927806

>Vast majority of veterans are white men
>black man, Asian man, white woman, Hispanic man and black woman

Why is this okay?

>>48902286

STR, DEX, and CON have clear mechanical benefits that affect the game (namely, damage bonus, initiative bonus, movement speed, and HP).

Mental skills in general are only really useful if you're a caster, you're planning on using a certain knowledge skill during play as part of your background, or you're planning on using perception and/or insight.

The fact of the matter is, CHA isn't low-key mind control, you can't force someone to do something that they wouldn't do and whether the GM gives a reason for why is up to the GM.

Anyone who argues against this is a rollplayer who believes that having an inflated number is the same as actually being able to roleplay a face character effectively.

>>48932707

Considering this is 4chan, most people ITT would probably fall under the sleazy adventurer catagory if they were put into a fantasy setting.

>>48901947

If you have no game, expect to get played.

>>48902090

If the GM had an NTR fetish, he would've allowed the PC to cuck the fiancee.

>>48933229
Well it started as a jokey seduce roll which didn't succeed at first but the situation then escalated through a chain of events as our face (me), in an attempt to win her back, promised to save the town from a group of bandits looking for protection money yadda yadda

>>48916033

Nice Guys are just assholes who are too pussy to pursue their feelings but just assertive enough to rage about it to strangers online.

Chances are, when you're dealing with someone who describes themselves as a "nice guy," they're just looking for pussy but don't have the balls to be honest about it.

Which is why being a "nice guy" has fallen out of style, it's not that people like jerks, it's just that most assholes don't pretend to be your friend before asking if you do anal.

>>48916216

Well yeah.

Nice guys put woman on a pedestal, pretend to be their friend, and then tells them to fuck off if the girl ever fails to reciprocate her feelings to him.

While Chad will just come out and say "hey baby, I wanna stick it in ya, is that cool?"

>>48933384
I'll tell you in twelve hours.

>>48933414
>Nice Guys are just assholes who are too pussy to pursue their feelings but just assertive enough to rage about it to strangers online.
Some nice guys are just nice guys.
But they aren't the venomous bitches whinining about dudes more successful at scoring poon.
They're nice instead.

But your point stands.

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>>48924725
>Demanding to be educated on the subject
Because god forbid people actually know what they're talking about

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>>48933712
>>48933724
>>48933733
>>48933746

I DECLARE A THUMB WAR!

>>48933778
Heh

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>>48900638
>bringing your thinly disguised cucking fetish into a game

>>48901424
The fundamental problem I see here is that you're too GOOD at roleplaying women, Op. Or at least shitty people.

People hear priestess and assume shy waifu. Not, y'know, conniving bitch.

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>>48900638
>Am I the only one who takes a kind of pleasure in badly disappointing players like this?

No, there are thousands of other terrible DMs.

You seem to take pride in your retardation however, which indicates you're confused about what is the role of a DM to begin with. Let me clarify: you're there to entertain the players, and to facilitate them entertaining each other. Setting them up for intentional disappointment is the literal exact opposite of what you're supposed to do.

>>48900993
>it works... kinda
>PC is retconned by GM to be a lost branch of that bloodline
>however the taint of their blood and the wicked nature of the PC's shared ancestor has cursed it
>it doesn't work quite as planned, backfires and plot happens

Y'all motherfuckers need to GM more.

>>48934316

No, don't play into one faggot's fantasy of being the main character. The GM was right to smite him, it wasn't as if he didn't TELL HIM what was going to happen.

What, did he think he'd take the sword and turn out to be SO HONORABU the gods would go "Okay, fine, we'll make an exception just this once."?

>>48934416
>No, don't play into one faggot's fantasy of being the main character.

Player characters by definition are the main characters of every RPG regardless of anything.

>>48934451

There are bigger things than them. They're murderhobos scrapping in the dirt. They aren't Solar Exalted, for one.

>>48934451
so there is zero reason to pander to their individual illusions of grandeur any more than necessary.

>but but my character is superman so he CAN fly, you just didn't know it yet because he was straight up Kenting it until now.

>>48934203
>People hear priestess and assume shy waifu. Not, y'know, conniving bitch.

Why is that? Back in the day a priestess would be a public speaker and probably a personal therapist all rolled into a character that literally talks to God on a semi-regular basis.

Priestesses should be calm, assertive and very sociable, just like your typical Catholic priest.

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>>48934653
>>48934465
>>48934416

This actually opens the floor to a question I've been meaning to ask; when *is* it okay to describe your character as a huge badass with all sorts of grandeur or history?

For example, I've got a level 12 gestalt character in a Pathfinder campaign inspired by the Avengers (in that exceptional individuals unite to fight a global threat) that is written as an accomplished dragonslayer and peerless tracker, how far can or *should* I stretch his backstory before you guys would consider I'm going a bit overboard?

The campaign's including Mythic too, so that's going to be a thing.

>>48902135
This is respectable, subtle, flirtatious.
Props to the player.

>>48934203

See, all women are like that unless you can keep your pimp hand strong. In OP's other example, you can literally feel the sexual tension dripping off the Sorceress. She wants him to Smite her, and not with his sword.

That shit was smooth. By the end of the night, she was clearly wondering about how to get into the sensitive soul that lurked beneath his rockin' abs.

>>48932707

It's not just what you say, it's how you say it. The Paladin clearly had a better idea of what he was doing, and the thing about being a paragon of light and goodness is that people trust you.

Girls want bad boys, unless they can get a good man who is also the most dangerous man alive.

>>48934876
>when *is* it okay to describe your character as a huge badass with all sorts of grandeur or history?
>For example, I've got a level 12 gestalt character in a Pathfinder campaign
Fortunately for you, you're playing D&D 3.p, so if you have a question, there's a rule for that.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCampaign/campaignSystems/reputationAndFame.html

I would say that a level twelve character would be fairly confident they were badass in their area of expertise.
Badass dragonslayer would dominate any tavern or village, but still act respectful to royalty, even if the don't get the respect they feel they deserve.

>>48908206
Or alternatively it could be an awesome culmination of the hero's character development. Say that the spell binding the sword to the stone is that only someone "worthy" of being king can draw it, then this scene not only makes a great moment in the final battle, but also symbolises that the hero is now worthy of kingship.

>>48935180

My GM did a horrific version of this once, where my PC (a girl with the family sword) got beaten by her brother in a duel. See, the ancestral blade was really picky: She'd spent years attuning to it, and the result was that it made you very tough (when sheathed) or was razor-sharp (when drawn), but not both simultaneously.

Her brother, meanwhile, was a complete asshole who went off to be a reaver. He got a demon sword which let him be both tough AND functioned as a deadly weapon, but not as good as each singular bonus.

Anyway, after he'd defeated my PC thanks to some spectacularly shitty dice luck on my side, he reached down and wrenched the sword away. In his hands, the ancestral blade promptly gave him BOTH super armor AND the cutting edge.

So my PC was like:

> "Why? You're a total asshole, how come you can use it?"

So he says:

> "Because I'm father's only son. And you're only a daughter."

Then he stabbed my PC in the heart, threw his old sword away, and walked away whistling.

This wasn't D&D, by the way. The GM later told me that he'd done this because her brother had effectively 'leveled up' from this and the best way to reflect it (since my PC was dead and no-one else would be using the family sword) would be for him to acquire what he'd been looking for.

>>48935245
Jeez, that's just nasty.

>>48935165
>Girls want bad boys, unless they can get a good man who is also the most dangerous man alive.

This is why Paladins are typically the hunks of any party they're in.

>>48935269

Exactly. Most people make fun of 'white knights' because they don't really have a chance to back up their words with actions. But if a man fights a god damn dragon for a woman and wins, or if he regularly battles demons for a living and walks away alive, even the most wicked girl would seriously consider changing sides. Because that's everything someone could want in a man.

The funny part is, Beast tried to make of the 'evil' Heroes a MRA fedora-tipper. Thaddeus was a guy who killed a woman for being a Beast, and now hunts down female monsters. The thing is, instead of being a scrawny nerd, he's tall, muscular and dresses like Van Helsing, and he's killed up to a half-dozen Beasts mano-a-mano with a sword. It rapidly stops being ironic and le meme when that guy can back that shit up.

>>48923777
The first time I saw that word, I thought it was some kind of Mexican food, and pronounced nu-ma-les.

>>48935245
I don't know why but this upsets me greatly. Did you roll a new character? What happened after that?

>>48926220
In my experience, it's simply a backlash against the common opinion of most rpg players.
Most of you lot espouse opinions similar to the ones in your post, but will not say them to the faces of your players, but will cheerfully go on (to death and shouting down anyone who disagrees) about them online.
See this thread, for example. The people here aren't championing independent thought and the sharing of ideas and opinions, they want their opinions to be the first and last word.
My opinions are just as vitriolic and likely to trigger the entire thread, but I can deal with people disagreeing and debating me on them (so long as they accept that they will not convince me THEIR opinion is "right", or their "facts" give them legitimacy).

>>48933314
Because they also comprise veterans, but are rarely showcased in media up until a handful of years ago?
I mean, people still believe only white people took part in WW1's primary battles.

>>48933517
>Some nice guys are just nice guys.
But we aren't talking about them.
Genuinely good guys take their lives in stride, and usually end up with a good woman.

>>48934876
Depends on the game and the setting.