Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1036:Mask o' Troof Edition

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>>48897996
No worries, here we go

SO JUMPERS what is your go to element? Mine seems to be water. No clue why. Just happened that way.

>>48898013
Thank you. For some reason it was taking longer to upload than captcha lasted.

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>>48893206
>Do we know if we'll be able to import companions as Infernals? Because the idea of your faction having control over a full tenth of the Reclamation is an amusing one.
You'll be able to, yes. It'll be somewhat expensive though, on account of them being rare and powerful allies. Other import options like demons and stuff less so.

>>48893451
>If Cleanupanon or SMTanon is here, may I ask a question? If you and a companion [e.g a Heir of Life and a Maid of Blood] were to fuse via one of the various methods available, would the resulting entity be able to create Magatama with different combinations of Class and Role [e.g a Heir of Blood and a Maid of Life.]?
Yes. Assuming it's a complete fusion. If you're just fusing bodies but keeping minds seperate, you'd only be able to gift the original class/aspect combination.

>>48896191
>I know this is sort of off topic, but can we talk about how all of the Exalted stuff we have and/or going to have seem to be total cp vampires? ... and the Infernal jump already looks like it's going to be a drain. WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?!
The madness will never end. Certainly not with Infernals, while you're gaining power from the broken, insane fragments of the architects of reality.


Also, I find it a bit weird that last thread people remembered every jump I made... Except the one I personally liked the most.


>>48898025
Earth. Mostly because I liked it the most in Avatar and Dragon-Blooded.

Or Slime, when available. Lightning's a good third.

>>48898050
Which did you like the most then?

>>48898025
Ostensibly fire, though lately it seems to be leaning toward explosions.

Hey, Chlorine Trifluoride explodes AND burns, right? Best of both worlds!

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>>48898054
Pic related. It was a joy to write for.

>>48898025
Wood/plants. There's so much you can do with them.

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>>48898058
It also combusts as soom as it hits oxygwn and will even burn under water. Shit is awesome. The path of explosions is long but rewarding.

>>48898058
Also poisons and corrodes. Chlorine trifluoride is some nasty shit. Though personally I'd just go for monatomic hydrogen, if you want to use weird high-energy chemistry tricks. That's a chemical with energy release comparable to nuclear fission. Fantastically unstable as a result, though, which is why you only ever see diatomic hydrogen.

>>48898071
It is also the best movie of all time as well as something I have been looking forward to jumping but have aomehow never got around to. Thanks for making it.

>>48898084
...I like her hat.

I want a hat with a face.

/jc/! Where can I get a hat with a face?

Aside from the sorting hat, I mean.

>>48898087
Do we have any magic to conjure complex chemicals that only occur in specific instances under highly complex lab environments? I think alchemy from fma would work but Im thinking more point and click.

>>48898084
We need that jump.

>>48898097
I think soul reaper has them, the witches hats, just sew a little face on them since they are already pretty close.

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>>48898092
The movie being great helped a lot, yeah. And no problem, it always makes me smile when people enjoy it.

>>48898100
FMA is the closest to point and click we have for that. The only other systems that could do that easily would require incantations or other things, as where FMA can reduce it to just having a circle around or clapping.

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>>48898109
I dont think the show is even finished. Also I forgot the name of it.

>>48898124
It's called KonoSuba. And I still want it. I don't care if it's finished.

>>48898025
I seem to be leaning towards Wood/Plant for the most part with a near second being Earth/Stone/Metal

>>48898121
I'm looking at a T-Rex, a girl who is way more metal than I'll ever be, a Kung Fu Movie Protagonist, a triceratops mall cop, a skimpy Viking babe, and a cybernetic death machine that looks remotely piloted. With Nazi banners in the background.

What.

What the actual fuck.

>>48898124
KonoSuba, and it has apparently 13 Light Novel volumes. In adaptations there are three manga volumes, and an anime that has one season out with an OVA and another season coming in January.

>>48898144
Well in their defense, they are their to defeat Hitler so that explains the banners.

>>48898144
Kung Fury. It's on netflix. Though honestly the trailer is as good as or better than the actual movie.

>>48898144
Prepare for more awesome than you can likely accommodate comfortably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

>>48898144
What tou arent seeing is a giant old man Thor, a giant mechanical golden nazi eagle, Hitler the kung fu master, and a nazi arcade video game turned into a transformer shooting thinks by giving them the finger.

>>48898161
...Well, I know what I'm turning into when I go to Transformers!

Arcade death-bot for the win.

>>48898025

In terms of magic, Water/Ice is probably my element of choice, although I'm well-versed in multiple elements.

If you were to ask my companions, however, they would say Explosions, Tech, or Guns are my actual element of choice...

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>>48898025
Electricity/Lightning. Figured it would be handy to power gear, and you can attack through conductive materials. But naturally I diversified so I can taste the rainbow.

>>48898100
Matter sphere from Mage the Awakening.

>>48898158
Trailers always are. You have all that potential and anticipation and your mind just hypes it up. Even a shitty movie can have a great trailer.

>>48898206
>Even a shitty movie can have a great trailer.
See: DCEU

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>>48898025
The fifth element.

>>48898124
>.gif
>not .webm
>no sound
you're not worthy of the path of explosion

>>48898374
>sound
Only works on /gif/ and /wsg/, maybe /f/, but I don't know I've never used /f/

Im working on a project, I want to make a book of magic that will allow whoever holds it to cast the spells inside it. Any ideas how a person would go about doing this?

>>48898552
Mage the awakening and enchant every page?
Overlord can do scrolls, but I think they're one time use...
You might be able to make a tech version, refine it to work in a machine the size of a page, and then turn it back into a spell? Just an idea.
I feel Sword and Sorcery might be able to help, but don't know specifically.
Overlord (or mage) again, you could bind a bunch of spirits to it and have them do certain things when the reader says certain words. That would also lock it to the item, in case you want to take the magic away from them.
Beyond that I think one of the final fantasy's has spell crystals that you could line the pages with, or hide in the pages if you have the space bending know-how.

>>48898631
All good ideas, thanks.

>>48898396
No, sound works on other boards too, desu.

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>>48898631
>You might be able to make a tech version, refine it to work in a machine the size of a page, and then turn it back into a spell? Just an idea.
That's actually what I did using Digital Sorcery from Fate Extra and Like Riding a Bike from Sword Art Online. After that, I used tech I derived from Arpeggio of Blue Steel and Mass Effect to cast spells.

Basically:
1) Learn a spell / magic system
2) Make it Digital
3) Program it into Fog Omnitool
4) Copy program into whatever tech I'm building
5) Release into current Jump and sit back and watch the fun.

This is how I managed to get everyone in Mass Effect to utilise Belkan Magic (the Reapers didn't have a good time) and how I made Strike Witches Earth a mini-Mid Childa before I left.

>>48898729
>Program it into Fog Omnitool
What is this?

So are we accepting SB's Bleach?

>>48898751
No. Now please don't start.

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>>48898751

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>>48898668
Turns out that it won't work baka senpai desu. I just took a webm from /wsg/, and here is a screencap of 4chan saying no.
>>>/wsg/1243060

>>48898757
>>48898771
Genuinely curious. I missed most of the discussion, but what I did see didn't seem to be nearly as violent a reaction as I expected.

>>48898747
Mass Effect's Omnitool + Fog Fleet Tech (namely the Union Core and Nanomaterial)

>>48898806
That's because they've given no indication that they even care about getting it on our drive. They have their own. They can do whatever they want with their drive.

>>48898751
Yes. When they limit cp from drawbacks and finish it

Dnd magic item creation lets you make scrolls right? With the option that putting over 100 charges in makes the magic item infinite use? Could I use that and bind the scrolls into a tome of magic for the user friendly magic book?

>>48898905
Uh...I don't think so. With scrolls in 3.5 D&D, you have to be a spellcaster in the first place to use them, and I've never heard of this "100 charges makes them infinite" thing.

>>48898025
Lightning. It only does everything.
Alternatively, air/wind. It's good for blowjobs.

>>48898806
>nearly as violent a reaction as I expected
See >>48898845

>>48897996

Does anyone have the WIP infernal Jump? It's not showing up on the drive for me and I wanted to check some of the Perks.

>>48899008
A WIP does not exist yet.

If you grab the proto-admantium skeleton from Marvel, and have preexisting freeform shapeshifting perks (think Prototype), does the skeleton shift with you?

Also, how is wolverine able to not get de-limbed and still move his joints?

>>48898025
I am dualistic so Light/shadow or Fire/gravity Depending on my mood.

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>>48898025
Darkness/gravity/shadow whatever, it makes me look edgy and goes well with my black wardrobe

>>48898025
Air. Airbending is my go-to ability for low intensity combat...sometimes not even then, since I took the double Bending Genius thing. In combat, it really blows them away.

>>48899057
>does the skeleton shift with you?
I think the ruling on this was no, that if you want the skeleton to shift it would have to be softer and so while you would get the vibration absorption and a very durable skeleton it wouldn't be as immutable as it would be otherwise.
>Also, how is wolverine able to not get de-limbed and still move his joints?
Plot armor, he's had his spine torn apart before among other things, it can happen to him, it just usually doesn't.

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>>48898905
>Dnd magic item creation lets you make scrolls right?
Yes.

>With the option that putting over 100 charges in makes the magic item infinite use?
No, that's only for other magic items. Doesn't work for scrolls, those are always one-shot.

>Could I use that and bind the scrolls into a tome of magic for the user friendly magic book?
You could however, create a magic item that allows you to activate the spells, make it a book and have the command words be written the pages.

That'd get very expensive for an entire spellbook worth of spells. But it is possible.

>>48899008
It's not complete enough to release a WIP, I'm afraid. There were some teasers last thread and some time before.

>>48898951
3.5 item creation rules

If item is continuous or unlimited, not charged, determine cost as if it had 100 charges. If it has some daily limit, determine as if it had 50 charges.

>>48898905
>Dnd magic item creation lets you make scrolls right?
Yes
>With the option that putting over 100 charges in makes the magic item infinite use?
I've never heard of such options existing in any DnD editions so no.
>Could I use that and bind the scrolls into a tome of magic for the user friendly magic book?
yes you can write magic books as normal, if used to cast spell directly the "page" will disappear as per normal use of a scroll though.

If you want use it to teach magic Idk if it's possible to teach people outside of the universe, i guess it depends on the setting.

Any good perks for switching into / out of armor quickly? Something that would let me armor up once danger sense goes off.

>>48899108
I see a lot of people going Double Genius. Does anyone go Double Genius with two different elements, though? I went with water and air myself. Lots of nice overlap, and I make storms like nobody else.

A question about the Fate Extra and Fate Jumps.

Does one have to use the Servant Creation Template even if they're going to use a canonical Servant?

This is an honest question and if this has been raised before, I apologise, but if I missed it, I missed it.

>>48899159
Requip magic from fairy Tail is the quickest I think.

>>48899126
>That'd get very expensive for an entire spellbook worth of spells. But it is possible.
I could offset the costs easily enough using jumper cheaty tricks, and gold is easy to come by. Maybe I could make each page out of super thin jade with gold writing, would look awesome. Enchant them as seperate magic items then bind it together.

Talking about elements, what are some perks that give you immunity to Electricity/Fire/Cold ?

>>48899159
1.collect human alt-forms
2.Get Autograft From the Scenario in blame!
3.now get this is in fact my final form from sword Art online.
4. Never worry about What armor you are wearing again.

>>48899181
Yes, you have to build them with the supplement.

>>48899166
I went fire and earth, great for construction and crafting.

>>48899204
How do you collect human alt-forms?

>>48899213
...well, there goes all my CP then. Thanks for the answer.

>>48899181
Yeah, you have to. Only takes a few minutes to check you've got enough points if you have a canon servant sheet to refer to anyway. Only problem arises if you wanted someone you couldn't afford using the supplement, though it should be obvious why that might be a no.

>>48899156
See above, it doesn't work on scrolls but you can craft magic items with unlimited charges by multiplying the cost by x100 or x50 for daily limits. It's in the rules for considering how much to pay when making the item. Usually a wand.

>>48899227
There are several Jumps that meant keeping a human form,but considering That whenever a background Gives a roll for age it must be a new body right? Ergo whenever You get a new human body it is a alt-form,I think one of the Final Fantasy jumps,and Green Lantern animated have Them Explicitly.

>>48899251
You can just take them with slightly weaker stats than they have in canon, though.

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>>48898025
Why mine is water too. Although I do like to dabble in darkness and light from time to time.

>>48899202
Livewire in Darkstalkers makes you immune to electricity and heals you when you get hit by it, and there's another one in Bayonetta that makes you immune to "ordinary" fire as part of the crafting perk tree.

Can servants create Noble Phantasms? I feel like there are a lot of shrouds of turin and spears of destiny across the multiverse.

>>48899292
No, as a Noble Phantasm is also made through its Legend or that of its wielder.

EMIYA, however, is a cheating cheater who cheats.

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>>48899126
Speaking of teasers, I am unsure if this should be a 200 or 400cp item.

Seeds of Potential [???]
Malfeas has its own forms of vegetation, as well as its own forms of farming. These plants tend to be made of metals such as tin or brass, though the will of a powerful demon can result in other substances. As the woods of Creation, these metal-woods can be set aflame, albeit only through a specific method employing a firedrill, logs from Vitalius or Hrotsvitha, and demon ichor. Other sorts of fire will not ignite metallic Malfean vegetation, and their metallic flames might melt other sorts of fuel but will not set them afire. Paper will not burn on a fire of metallic logs, and would only be heated. If smelted and cast into new form, the metals of Malfeas lose this property.
Theit means of cultivation also diverge greatly from those found in Creation. Malfean crops require anything so simple as plowing, sowing and reaping. Instead, they may require to be grown from human fingerbones planted in the ground, bear fruit only to the beating of drums, or release their harvest only at the sacrifice of a living demon.
As such, I will offer to you seven seeds. One of the ivy of gray lead, one of the bloodmelon vines, one of the malice-nut tree, one of the squash vines of black porcelain... And lastly these three seeds of potential, harvested from Oramus' slumbering temple-body. If pierced by a spike of metal or other material and planted in the ground, then regularily fed with a prayer for it's growth, these will grow into the seedlings of new trees or plants incorporating the spike's materials. Of course, as a new species you'll have to discover the ways to cultivate them yourself and the rarer materials may give you more difficulty... but with a wise selection of ores and minerals, it may be well worth it.

>>48899309
He's not really making noble phantasms anyway. He just makes inferior imitations that last a short time.

>>48899292
that is what EX item creation does

>>48899322
That sounds fun. Head into a far distant future jump and grab the flagpole from the moon, create Inevitable Expansion NP. Win all the strategy jumps.

>>48899315
I needed to get that out of the way before anyone else jumps on that silly train.

>>48899322
...

Okay, I'm just going to go now, somewhere far for a while.

>>48899360
only up to "A rank" though. and only one.

>>48899310
Hmm, definitely seems like something worth 400 CP but discounted for a certain background in my opinion. That's some really neat stuff there.

A proposal: If those go undiscounted, what about that option for 200 CP, and a 400 (or perhaps higher?) CP option imbued with some of the secret essence of hidden Cytherea such that smelting and casting them yet allows for new plants to grow?

>>48898025
Fire and metal. The elements of progress.

Using any of the Type-Moons as a late jump, where is the best place to put the EX?

>>48898852
Why would they do the first part? There are jumps with less stuff to buy that have no drawback limits.

>>48899107
I know one guy who flips his shit whenever you mention darkness powers, ranting about how they can't exist and don't make sense.

>>48899268
>Pyro
>Favorite element is water

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>>48899435
Hm. That could work, yes. Not sure about allowing you to functionally make as many kinds of metal/stone/whatever plants as you want for 400, but I'll see if it works with the rest of the items.

Thanks. Also, of course I catch a whole bunch of typos right /after/ posting it. Always happens

>>48899524
It's magic, it doesn't have to make sense.

>>48899558
Yes, but he'll have none of it. It's weird.

>>48899548
Ugh, should've specified-I was thinking of mundane/or at least scientific (by modern, baseline Earth standards) metal to start off not a grove of adamantium bonsai or hellbrass bushes but I'm glad to be of help.

>>48899384
>only one
What? Then what's the point of being able to make them? Why would anyone go for that option over just having a good NP if you could only make one NP with Item Creation?

>>48899496
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Skill

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Hey /jc/. Been a while, hasn't it?

Anyway, here's my first real draft of the Halo: The covenant jump, with all the items and perks that I intend to include.

Somewhere along the line this became an overbloated 45 page monstrosity. So any and all feedback is appreciated to help this thing not suck as bad as it probably does.

Let the great journey begin!

>>48899614
>All the 800cp stuff
You know what? Why not try not making every jump as high powered as possible? Why is the halo jump so crazy high powered in what it gives?

>>48899663
I mean, this is a setting where planets are glassed.

>>48899663
If it fits the setting, you need to get over it.

>>48899673
And 40k is a setting where they are shattered and obliterated. None of the 40k jumps let you understand any machine in minutes, give you limitlessly scaling learning ability or a fleet of 60 powerful ships or any of this other bullshit.

>>48899663
Your bitching about WWE was well warranted. This is not. Halo is way more high powered, and from what I'm seeing, at least most of the perks fit the setting and the various races/origins.

>>48899673
That doesn't matter. You shouldn't be given any more power than the average joe from a trip to halo since no one in that setting has super powers.

>>48899673
Hey, this post >>48899695 makes it pretty obvious it's just the shitposter deciding to target you.

>52)The Incrediables
>Drop-In
>We Can't Keep Doing This, Bob!
>You Ruined My Death
>The National Supers Agency
>Incredible Strength
>Incredible Looks

>Super Suit
>Ion Propulsion Gauntlets
>Armored Limousine
>Nomanisan Island

>Import (Super, Jammering Yeah!, Incredible Strength, Incredible Durability, Incredible Appearance x 2, Violet Fields, Dashing Speed, Super Suit, Man Cave)
>Aradia, Porrim, Terezi, Vriska, Aranea, Feferi, Meenah
>Kanaya(Import, Super, Jammering Yeah!, Magnoscopic Vision, Violet Fields, Incredible Appearance x 2, Super Suit, Man Cave)

>The Glory Days
>WHERE'S MY SUPER SUIT?!
>Wicked
>I Said NO CAPES!

Nomanisan Island is an amazing quality of life purchase. Having a base of operations to follow me gives me a great head start on nation building. It also lets the third stringers live like real people, instead of summoned monsters I occasionally take out of the warehouse. Red and Jean Valjean will be the island's majordomos, Brass and Helman Marrack will be chiefs of security, and Giffany will be the island's master AI. Spending all this time away from me will be good for her, and over time she and Helman hit it off and she finally gives up on me. So there's that plot thread finally resolved. Meanwhile, the Kanker sisters are totally worthless, so they win a free millennia long tropical island vacation.

Meanwhile, the supervillians here aren't really worth my time, so it's off to conquer South America again. And since You Ruined My Death lets me win at politics forever, I'll be even better able to get off scott free for my wars of aggression.

>>48899680
Okay, so as for the fleet- it gives 5 ships and you have to earn the rest. And for the rest- well, those things do fit the setting.

>>48899695
None of them give "powers".

>>48899700
I believe in everyone, anon.

>>48899603
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Yes, only up to A Rank, but you can make as many as you have the time, power, and resources for.
It's not easy, though. You need 'meaningful' materials, like something historic, or magical.
And after you actually craft it, you have to pump magic into it for a long ass time.
At 8 hours a day, you could complete the magic imbuing for an A Rank in 6 months to a year.

Not a huge deal for a late game Jumper, but you wouldn't just be pumping out city busters willy nilly. Valeria did say that OoC perks that shorten the time it takes you to craft things would indeed apply to NP crafting.

Also, shoulda mentioned this earlier. You can only make NPs with Item Creation if you take as EX Rank.

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>>48899576
Ah, right. An option for plants of more mundane materials seems good too. Sure, I'll put that in too.

And so we will have plastic flowers that actually were actuall grown instead of made.

>>48899708
You can make lower rank NPs faster than that right?

>>48899680
>>48899695
Are you high? The Huragok actually do have the ability to understand technology to that level as a basic ability. Here it's a capstone.

And charging 800 cp for 'average joe' ability is dumb as hell, especially since jumps don't even need to be built around the idea of making you unremarkable from a setting perspective. There are plenty that make you a top dog.

>>48899721
Yes

>>48899730
>Go to Doctor Who
>Spend a few minutes in the Tardis
Guess I know how to make tardises now. Replace as needed with whatever tech you need, from Antispiral mecha to the Ultimate Nullifier. Hell, you can even make them far better if you have another few minutes.

>>48899749
True, I should add a ceiling on that. Thanks, anon.

>>48899614
Liking it so far. With the species, wouldn't it make more sense to have Kig-Yar be free and taking Unggoy give CP, considering that they're kind of useless on their own?

>>48899768
Have you got to the Kig-yar items yet? Because I made an effort to make them worth it in that regard, as they can become quite independent space pirates.

The idea of Unggoy giving CP... That's interesting, and I'll think about it some more.

>>48899721
I didn't get any hard numbers when I bugged Valeria about but the short and long of it is yes.

Here's my own personal table of estimates, nothing official.

A Rank - 6 months to 1 year (1440 to 2880)
B Rank - 3 to 6 months (720 to 1440)
C Rank - 1 to 3 months (240 to 720)
D Rank - 7 days to 1 month (56 to 240)
E Rank - 1 to 7 days (8 to 56)

The numbers in parenthesis are the actual hours spent pouring in magic. So hypothetically if you constantly pumped magic into an object without rest, you could complete any NP in no more than 4 months.

But that'd be boring. And exhausting, I'd imagine. Mentally if not physically or magically.

>>48899779
I'll admit, I haven't made it to the items section yet.

>>48899792
Yeah... Thinking back, I honestly can't blame you.

>53) The Grim Adventures of Bill and Mandy
>Drop-In
>Everyday I Had to Deal with...
>I Always Win
>You Little Tyrant

>Sassy Cat Doll

>Companion Import (Drop-In, Everyday I Had to Deal With..., I'm Not Above Cheating, Don't Touch Me, I Always Win, Sassy Cat Doll, Nachos and Frozen Yogurt)
>Aradia, Kanaya, Porrim, Terezi, Vriska, Aranea, Feferi, Meenah

>KND Continuity
>Aw Baby Now That's Just Nasty

First time I've gone back to the same world. I could check up on the old gang, but they'd just decommission me for being an adult anyway. I'll just slot back into my old place in the world's conspiracies.

>>48899614
I'm not very familiar with Halo but I must say I really appreciate the amount of lore you seem to have incorporated here! That said, there's a few thing I feel should be amended:

>The legend of Ther 'Vadamee

To be clear, this is a fiat-based guarantee on what amounts to a folk legend? Seems a little iffy. What about massive luck and Sherlock Holmes-level information assimilation to achieving an escape instead, which has the added benefit of not having some sort of arbitrary time limit?

>Gnaw the meat from their bones

Generally I feel percentile/hard number boosts detract from the feel of the setting unless they're canon-but admittedly I don't think the guideline on biomass at least is unreasonable at least

>Hive control

This could use a little clarification; what's the area of effect of your telepathy?

>Jury-rigging
>This perk allows you to jury-rig right next to anything into a working condition, and so long as it works in theory mathematically

I'm a little confused and maybe illiterate; if it works mathematically shouldn't it work in practice anyway?

>TASTE MY BIG, BLUE BALLS!

Is the intent of this perk to allow you to survive any death by trying to pull a murder suicide? Because as written it seems like a thing you could do

>>48899614

If I pick Lekgolo and Commander Do I have to stay as a scarab can't I go back to being a regular Lekgolo when I want?

>>48899384
What do you mean only one? One in time for the battle, or one ever? How does EX Item Creation rate against A?

>>48899749
To be fair you're never going to even meet an Antispiral mecha unless a) you take the Gurren Lagann endjump, b) you can travel into an artificial universe sandwiched between the 10th and 11th dimensions or-

-I keep forgetting there's so many ways for you to increase humanity's population beyond 1 million. Nevermind.

Fuck fighting that fucker before having a Spark, though.

>>48899830
>What about massive luck and Sherlock Holmes-level information assimilation to achieving an escape instead, which has the added benefit of not having some sort of arbitrary time limit?

Hmm. I felt the fiat-based guarantee was necessary to make it really worth the price, but what do you mean when you say "time limit"?

>Generally I feel percentile/hard number boosts detract from the feel of the setting unless they're canon

Yeah, you're right. Shoulda learned that lesson last time, I'lll change it to "dramatic boost".

>This could use a little clarification; what's the area of effect of your telepathy?

Will add clarification- And I'll say that it grows with practice.

> if it works mathematically shouldn't it work in practice anyway?

Okay, I'll take out the "mathematically"- it was meant to allow for things that would only work in theory, but in practice there are a million things that could go wrong, to work in practice 100% of the time.

>Is the intent of this perk to allow you to survive any death by trying to pull a murder suicide?

I should add a line that says you can't be trying to dodge death with it, and it has to have been your intention all along.

>>48899855
>Do I have to stay as a scarab can't I go back to being a regular Lekgolo when I want?

There's a perk for that!

>>48899864
>What do you mean only one?
The only one bit is just him being stupid.

>How does EX Item Creation rate against A?
You need EX Item Creation to make Noble Phantasms at all. At A rank you're still limited to more common/less bullshit magic object stuff.

>>48899864
1.Val described it as being a " blank legend" that you fill in to create a noble phantasm
2. Only one new one ever
3.that is a question for val

>>48899760
No you shouldn't, the Dr. Who jump prevents you from learning any tech there anyway.

>>48899803
Short build.

>>48899930
Perhaps. I'll think on it.

>>48899930
Ever heard of what an example is?

>>48899938
Balance it. It's not hard to search and find a good few dozen other examples in other jumps if a Tardis isn't enough.

>>48899938
Anon >>48899882 also makes a good point.

Pretty much anything that was thrown at you, is something you're not going to interact with or which is locked from you by fiat already. It's unnecessary for you to add any extra restrictions on top of it.

>>48899948
Alright, now I need you to fight with >>48899945

and I'll do what the winner says to do.

>>48899749
>>48899760
So what? It's an 800 cp perk dependent on you examining foreign technology without any emergency countermeasures or defense systems blowing your head off. Or the owner (the Doctor, Galactus, the Antispiral) getting pissed at you ripping off their shit. It should be excellent at what it does. It's fine as it is.

>>48899948
>It's unnecessary for you to add any extra restrictions on top of it.
The mating call of the power wanker

>>48899945
If your 'example' is invalidated by fiat then it doesn't work to prove your point. You need to provide actual, valid examples, and even then you need to make ARGUMENTS instead of saying "Hey you can build this tech!" like that's meant to be world-shattering.

>>48899954
Well, look at >>48899958 , when he's throwing around those kinds of insults it's clear it's just bait.

>>48899958
Wow, resorting to ad hominems already. What a compelling argument.

>>48899884
The one month thing. I dunno, I know some folks wouldn't see it as a big deal but to me it just smacks of artificiality. To me the issue is really less whether it's worth the price, and more whether it's representative of the setting, and while I can't claim to be a HALO expert in my opinion (although it bugs me to have to stoop to using a Worm analogy) that a Thinker-like boost in data gathering coupled with extraordinary luck would convey the feel of being this Ther 'Vadamee better than some sort of arbitrary escape clause.

>work in theory

That explains it much better, thanks.

>has to be your intention

That seems fair. Thanks for listening, and seriously-good work on the rest of the jump! Wish I knew more about HALO right now.

>>48899948
...I didn't know I HAD a point I was trying to make. But if I did, that definitely wasn't the one I was going to bring up. I was just commenting on how bad an idea fighting that guy was, that's all.

So, /jc/, I find myself looking at my third last Jump (fucking finally) and it's Sailor Moon.
Who woulda thunk that a shoujo manga would be so fucking dangerous and grimy?
Now, I'm not here to ask about any of the usual shit, nah, I've got a much, much more pertinent question.

The Nanban Mirror in Ranma One-Half states that "When the user sheds a single tear on the mirror, it will take them into the far past or future", now, how 'far' is that?

A lack of drawbacks that allows me to fuck around during the Crystal Millennium makes me sad. So I wanna fix that by hook or crook.

>>48898058
>FOOF
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride

>>48899993
Well, it works as a evidence against his 'example'.

I can also add on, your spiral energy is capped so you can't pilot that shit anyway, and that it's arguably not tech at all and simple a mass of spiral energy.

>>48899977
Yeah, I understand that. Might just scrap the one month thing.

>Wish I knew more about HALO right now.

Yeah, Halo's a pretty cool franchise. I'd reccomend you start with the books and the wiki if you want to know more.

>>48900004
Unknown.

>>48900012
Erm, correction, it's not spiral energy and doesn't require any either. It's kind of made a big point that the AS don't use that shit at all, not until he gets pissed off enough which is only once the TTGL is made and is beating Granzbeoma up.

>>48900004
In the show, it's been shown to be able to go back three hundred years. No clue on the limit though.

>>48899730
Yeah, but regardless of the setting's greater scale, the power level of the people in that setting are all on a level that can be killed by a man with a gun in power armor. You shouldn't be given anything for any value of cp than any random grunt that a man with a gun can kill is capable of just because the setting is far larger in scope than that.

>>48900053
>You shouldn't be given anything for any value of cp than any random grunt that a man with a gun can kill is capable of just because the setting is far larger in scope than that.

...I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

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>>48900030
>>48900044
Excellent.

>>48900042
>Believing the hypocritical anti-spiral's lies.

>>48900065
It's bait, dude. Every thread he'll start an argument where some innocuous option needs a massive buff because "JUMPCHAIN RULES" and/or an argument where he'll rant about how it needs to be nerfed into being extremely low power. It's just what he does.

>>48899901
What the difference between A+++ God Hand and it EX ranked?

Does Overlord top-tier divine magic require any remains to resurrect people?

>>48900053
That 'man with a gun in power armor' is a carefully handpicked super soldier and noted to be exceptionally lucky, and has advanced enough strength, skill, and shielding/power armor to be considered a demon by an incredibly advanced alien empire.

Don't know why my post was deleted.

>>48900012
>>48900042
To be honest the line between technology and "pure" spiral energy is a little vague in-universe. The humans study it like a science and bring it up in conversations involving other scientific concepts, the AS' death spiral field is generated by some sort of machine BUT there's no real explanation for their private universe-which is referred to as Super Spiral Space and allows Lordgenome to reconstitute his body so the simplest explanation is it's some sort of advanced spiral energy construct, Mugann explode into raw energy and are seemingly projected somehow by Nia once she's hijacked by her anti-spiral programming, it's heavily implied Lagann is either a spiral energy construct or can remotely tap into Simon's spiral energy because it comes find him when he's capture by the Beastmen and trying to dig his way out-

-it's kinda nebulous in many parts, is what I'm saying. Personally I thought the point of the AS' little rant in the final fight was that he WAS using ridiculous amounts of spiral energy, but he was thinking really hard about not evolving to stop it from going out of control, probably with aid from that Matryoshka brain-like structure containing his species on his planet.

>>48900099
It wasn't. Sometimes auto-update will erroneously mark your latest post as deleted if it's at the bottom of the thread.

>>48900099
That only stands as greater evidence that nothing in that jump should give anything more powerful than what being a spartan entails.

>>48900100
Regardless, they show us early on that you need a certain amount of spiral energy to pilot the mechs that run on it. Remember when Simon got depressed and couldn't channel enough spiral energy to power the Lagann? Even if you somehow got your hands on Granzbeoma, you'd be unable to fuel it enough.

>>48900099
People need to learn that arguing with bait does nothing.

>>48900088
We don't know. We never see a divine caster going all-out. The closest is Shalltear, and she's simply a warrior with magic capabilities only to serve as strategic support.

>>48900160
I was justing nerding out about the setting

But you're not wrong

>>48900160
Yeah, my bad. It's just hard to recognize sometimes.

>>48899614
>Forerunner Trove
Too OP, pls nerf.

>>48900280
Explain yourself.

>>48900280
Sometimes it's difficult to tell whether or not you guys are serious. Still, I'll put in some more language to clarify that it'll take a long-ass time to fully comprehend, like the Eldar webway perk.

>>48900295
>like the Eldar webway perk.
What's this?

Could an EX Godhand NP make you invunerable to a killing hit before the hit landed (11 times, non regenerating)? So you don't die by jumpchain standards?

Alternatively, If you do die and resurrect via 1-up or similar ability, would you retain standard godhand invunerability to that attack?

Can you purchase multiple NPs?

>>48900295
...you realise how OP forerunner tech is right? It makes Eldar shit look like kiddie playtime.

>>48900307
In the Eldar jump, you can buy data crystals with the keys to creating a new webway on them.

>>48900312
You do realize the eldar didn't make the webway, right?

>>48900290
>>48900295
The Forerunners are arguably peer opponents to WiH-era Necrons.

>>48900325
Let me correct myself. It makes the webway look like kiddie shit. Forerunner stuff is like Super Commander, except much bigger, much better and in space. And time.

>>48899957
It's literally the most powerful reverse engineering and technology perk in the entire Chain. Or did you miss the part where it says in a few minutes you can dramatically enhance any tech whatsoever in a few minutes, and invent any tech ever in a few hours. Omnipotence transmogrifier, anyone?

>>48900348
That much, I understand. However, note that it doesn't give the actual means of construction- and making a halo ring in the mere ten years you have in any jump would not be easy, let alone some of the more powerful stuff.

>>48900368
Don't know why anyone bothers yelling about the bleach jump being broken when this one has stuff like this.

>>48900389
Yeah, I will add some more limiting language, now that I think of how it can be applied in that manner.

>>48900328
Explain.

>>48900406
When you have a set of ringworlds that can purge all life in a galaxy, and your capital ships can take gigatons of damage without their shields falling, that puts you on a pretty high tier.

>>48900403
>Letting him samefag you into changing something.
Man, you are a real fish.

>>48900368
>Omnipotence transmogrifier, anyone?
>If I throw a bunch of words together, maybe I can make an argument from nothing!

>>48900406
I believe he means- if you pit the Forerunner civilisation against the Necrons back in their glory days of being the strongest guys in the 40k setting, it's not clear who'd win.

>>48900427
>Man, you are a real fish.

I'll just say "This only applies within bounds- No devices that give you omnipotence."

>>48900431
Why is everyone so painfully stupid and naive in this thread?

I'm telling him to sit down and actually explain his point. To provide evidence and examples of why he thinks Forerunner tech is too good. Get it?

>>48900442
Go look in the archives you lazy sack of shit. There was a huge discussion on this a while back.

>>48900368
>>48900403
So, it should be nerfed so that it isn't? Remember, the Huragok are designed by the Forerunners to be able to understand and design technology. Given how ridiculously advanced the Forerunners are, the perk being really really amazing makes sense. Especially since you are basically charging 800 cp for something that ALL Huragok are capable of doing.

>>48900457
That's true, I just don't want people to take it to an absurd level- see here: >>48900438

I won't nerf it to the point where it's not worth it, or at least, I'll try not to.

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>>48900455
>Go look in the archives
You can't tell someone to "Go look up my argument for me." when you're trying to have a discussion.

>>48900438
...you're joking right? You're not actually this stupid.

I make a device that makes me a nigh omnipotent reality warper that can destroy universe with a thought. Still not omnipotence. Almost like it'd be good to put some actual limits on this perk instead of trying to allow for maxmium wank potential.

>>48900457
So limit it to forerunner tech, which still includes most tech in the chain without letting people use it on the broken stuff they say makes it unbalanced. At the very least take away the bullshit 'make any thing better in minutes no matter what it is' and 'make anything ina few hours'/

>>48900457
I think the issue is the perk applies to any technology, including stuff many, many tiers above the Forerunners' understanding like Canopus and the Incubators

>>48900480
>I make a device that makes me a nigh omnipotent reality warper
Where did you get this technology from? How did you build it?

You're dealing with a reverse engineering and improvement perk. You need something as a base, stupid.

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>>48898025
Fire. I have a lot of Wind too, but I mostly use that to fuel the Fire. I might, MIGHT, have a minor case of pyromania. It's just so pretty.

>>48898033
>expensive though, on account of them being rare and powerful allies
I'd argue you should have the first four be cheaper, due to the Circle thing.

>>48898058
Megumin a cute.

>>48899251
>>48899264
Servants have variable Stats depending on who their Master is anyway. Even beyond how much Prana the Master can provide, it would seem the Master's personality or Nature or something plays into the stats.
Which is why Artoria's stats go all over the place depending on who her Master is, with her Luck Rank at its highest with Shirou.

>>48900488
>I think the issue
The issue is you're dealing with a baiter who thinks "I"LL JUST BUILD A DEVICE THAT MAKES ME OMNIPOTENT THEN MAKE IT BETTER! THERE!" without any kind of plan or idea on how to even do that, is an argument. That's not the case. That's the kind of ridiculous hyperbole it should be obvious to ignore.

>>48900491
To be fair those are a dime a dozen in Marvel, DC, Ben 10, Futurama and just about any franchise where cartoonishly over the top super science is the main source of plot

>>48900499
Meant to link to >>48898050

Not sure why it linked to >>48898033


Also, forgot my fucking name!

>>48900507
>Marvel, DC
Only ones I can think of are magic or fiat locked.
>Ben 10
Fiat locked.
>Futurama
Example.

>>48900420
Speaking of, I'm going to turn into a jellyfish nerd and learn how to make my own Halos, Arks, and the shrunken dyson sphere in just a few minutes.

>>48900523
>Marvel, DC

You must be thinking of MCU, as far as I know there are no fiat locks on the original Marvel/DC jumps.

>Ben 10

Also as far as I know it's just the reality warping aliens and the Omnitrix which are fiat locked. I'm pretty sure there was something else there; the tech level's pretty ridiculous.

>example

Everyone always underestimates the comedy settings. I'd bet Rick and Morty might count come season 3.

>>48900491
Read the perk.
>When attempting to create machines, you will always be able to think of an appropriate design within a few minutes to an upper ceiling of a few hours depending on complexity with the equipment you have that will be guaranteed to work at least once- though there is no guarantee it will work well, or for long.
So you can also invent literally anything and it will work, at least in part.

>>48900507
You could just build those anyways with the provided intelligence perks. Especially DC's genius perk and in Marvel you can buy Brains multiple times (albeit with diminishing returns).

Alright, so here's the revised version of the Huragok capstone that'll please nobody and give me 20 angry (you)s. Pile it on, lads.

Total understanding-800 CP: Such is your comprehension of Machines- you can totally decipher the purpose of any machine within a few minutes of finding it, and can dramatically enhance it in another few. Obviously, some devices are going to be more difficult- If you should attempt to dramatically enhance a certain Blue box, you will find this a monumental undertaking. But so long as you can find the exotic materials needed, and are willing to invest unfathomable amounts of time, this, too, may be within your grasp. When attempting to create machines, you will always be able to think of an appropriate design within a few minutes to an upper ceiling of a few hours depending on complexity with the equipment you have that will be guaranteed to work at least once- though there is no guarantee it will work well, or for long. This, too, has its limits- you won't be designing a Halo array this way. If you have access to the appropriate equipment, even the most complex machines are designable within minutes, as there is little that your forerunner mind cannot accomplish.

>>48900567
Shit, forgot to fix the last sentence:

But If you have access to the appropriate equipment, some of the most complex machines are designable within minutes, as there is little that your forerunner mind cannot accomplish.

>>48900567
Reads unnaturally because of all the buts.

>>48900588
There was only "but" in that whole thing, anon.

>>48900552
>You must be
I'm thinking of things that don't canonically work outside of their universe.

>I'M PRETTY SURE
You can't work off of assumption, dumbfuck.

>EVERYONE ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATES
See above.

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>>48900499
>I'd argue you should have the first four be cheaper, due to the Circle thing.
You quoted the wrong person, but you do have a point on that. Will do, either as a discount on a group of four, or just making the first four cheaper.

>>48900517
Atleast you got the picture.


Anyway, I think you were the one suggesting this perk?

Desert Wanderer [400, discount Cecelyne]
Those who travel through the Endless Desert that is Cecelyne move upon a vast barren landscape of shifting sands under a cloudless, starless sky. At times, the green glow of Ligier can be seen on the horizon, while at others, all is black. All who wish to travel Cecelyne, to reach the Demon City or to return from it, must survive the five-day trip across her wastes. As there are hidden passages from Creation to Cecelyne and back, so too may you find these in other worlds, allowing you step into the wastes of Cecelyne and travel the five-day trip to any other point within the same world no matter the distance. For despite the vast size of the Endless Desert, the trip always takes the exact same amount of time.

>>48900599
To put it in obvious words for you, all the exceptions to the perk's abilities are inserted unnaturally and don't fit the language.

>>48900615
Fair enough, I'm primarily concerned with the mechanical aspect of it rn, but I'll take another look at that.

>>48900567
Looks good. The only advice I can give is to reword it rather than add qualifiers. Right now you say it can do anything except that it can't. Try working the limits into the description, rather than adding them on, that way the perk isn't contradicting itself.

>>48900604
So does this mean I'm enwrapping every world post-jump in Cecy?

>>48900603
>I'm thinking of-

And I thought we were just talking about reverse engineering, not whether or not they'd work.

>You can't work off of assumptions

And if you can't learn to relax you'll never convince anyone of anything, shithead.

>See above

Gee, sure are a lot of people talking about Futurama doomsday weapons instead of the LIght of Terra right?

Oh wait.

>>48900648
Fair enough, will do.

>>48900567
>If you should attempt to dramatically enhance a certain Blue box
I hate it when jumpmakers do this. Put the actual name of the thing you're referencing in the text, so that if I'm not familiar with the setting I can google it and figure out what the perk example is talking about.

>>48900567
Honestly, I kind of liked your suggestion before of including a no omnipotence clause. For a capstone for the race, it should really be a massively enhanced version of the Huragok's technology understanding/enhancement, but the new perk says that we can't even design a Halo array.

The only person who had an issue with it was arguing that you can use it to give you 'omnipotence' by using technology from other settings (with no actual basis)-when there are intelligence perks from those settings that let you do exactly that anyways (assuming omnipotence is possible to achieve there).

>>48900604
Yes, yes I was the one who suggested that perk.
I love it. Thank you.

>>48900649
I think it's more like you're using Cecy as a subspace to quick (well, relatively) travel from spot to spot. Sorta like warp travel, but using a Primordial's body.

>>48900660
>And I thought we were just talking about reverse engineering, not whether or not they'd work.
If you reverse engineer something that doesn't work, it doesn't really matter that you did so.

>Oh wait
The point missed your head. You were asked for examples and just prattled on about something else.

>>48900662
Didn't think it'd fit organically with the language, but I'll see what I can do.

>>48900667
True. I'll remove the limits, and just say that for greater endeavors it will take longer- though that which would take other species a lifetime would take you only a month.

>>48900604
Might want to remove the 'within the same world' clause (not applying to other jumps). Five days to do even that seems kind of eh, especially since a plane can do it in less, and the other 400 cp perks seem noticeably better.

So could a jumper with an AI alt form take over the forerunner stuff that's been left behind like Cortana did? I feel I could use the forerunner infrastructure far better then Cortana did.

>>48900469
Just limit it to Forerunner levels. There's no reason to allow it to function above that level.

>>48900721
If you could find your way into the domain? Well, It stands to reason.

>>48900723
Yes, there is- the whole perk is about finding about how to work better and better tech, progressively getting better. That isn't meant to have a hardcap.

>>48900677
So you're admitting to interjump balance instead of the value of a perk within the context of its' jump. Glad I know to stop having this discussion with you.

>>48900721
I don't see why not. I mean, HALO AIs aren't particularly advanced as AIs go from what I recall, apart from the whole going crazy from maximum overthink thing.

>>48900739
So you're admitting, flat out admitting, that the point of this perk is to have no limits.

Really.

>>48900723
Then he really might as well drop the price to 400 and make it free for Huragok. All of them have the capacity to do what the perk does up to Forerunner levels, so he'd be charging 800/400 cp for a perk that only guarantees that you aren't literally retarded compared to other Huragok.

>>48900757
But isn't that what jumpers want?

>>48900739
Please stop wanking your own jumps. It was annoying but amusing with the WWE jump. Now you're just flat out stating that you're building broken jumps and perks.

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>>48900649
Sort-of, more like >>48900676 says. Other people won't be able to gain access, unless you pull them in.

>>48900673
Cool.

>>48900705
Well, it would allow you walk to Mars for example. But would this work better?

allowing you step into the wastes of Cecelyne and travel the five-day trip to any other point within the same realm of existence, or any adjoining one, no matter the distance.

>>48900757
Yes. If you spend enough time and effort trying to decipher things, there will be no limit to the technology you can understand. Inordinate amounts of time and effort will be needed for some things, but there will be no limits.

>>48900766
Ironic.

Shitposting.

Is not.

Shitposting.

Was going to stay out of this argument but goddamn, this place would less awful if some of you nerds didn't try to be comedians.

>>48900776
I wouldn't say it's too broken- Sure, your ability to get technical knowledge has no limits, but the amount of time needed scales directly in proportion to the complexity of the tech you're trying to understand.

>>48900782
>but there will be no limits
Welp there it is, newfag admits that he's better than all the other jump makers who bothered to put limits on their jumps.

I guess it's time to start maxing out Spiral power with end jumping.

>>48900816
Not every perk has fiat hard limits, jackass. That's never been a 'rule' or standard.

>>48900311
>Can you purchase multiple NPs?
Yes.
>Could an EX Godhand NP make you invunerable to a killing hit before the hit landed (11 times, non regenerating)? So you don't die by jumpchain standards?
No. Val ruled that you can get an EX version of Godhand that gives your 1 extra life per jump and otherwise works as the cannon version.

>Alternatively, If you do die and resurrect via 1-up or similar ability, would you retain standard godhand invunerability to that attack?
Probably not.

>>48900805
Look, you want to be special and make super powerful broken jumps. That's on you. But at least have the honesty to admit that's what you're about.

>>48900816
>admits that he's better than all the other jump makers

Let's be fair, it wouldn't take much to be better than some jumpmakers here.

How have you messed with settings, jumpers?

I returned to a resetted Naruto world to found a Hidden Village. Thanks to the various enhancements such as super soldier serum, Aura, life fiber uniforms, and so on, the village was small but capable of holding our on.

And all we did was go around, making civilian's lives better through medic-nins. Didn't accept any missions, just went around healing and improving homes.

It was funny ruthlessly beating the crap out of any Villages that tried to stop us then offer them help the moment we finished.

>>48900841
Can you stop baiting?

>>48900816
>>48900841
But why would it make sense to arbitrarily set a line in the sand saying "The perk does not give you any buff in your learning capacity past this point. All tech beyond this point is just too complex, no matter how good you are at learning and understanding tech"?

>>48900816
>>48900841
You know, people would probably take you more seriously if you didn't deliberately interpret whatever they say in the most damaging way possible.

>>48900852
It doesn't make sense to do that. He's fucking baiting you. He's been baiting since the start. He's fucking with you because it's either you or the Infernal jumpmaker, and Cleanup isn't as easy a target as you because he doesn't feed like you.

>>48900852
This. That kind of limiting is the kind of shit Red pulls. Don't be a Red, ignore the whiners and go full steam ahead.

Jump #05: Red Dead Redemption
Drawbacks: Bounty, Wanted Man, Karma Meter (1400)

Name: Diamond Paige
Age: 23
Location: Hennigan's Stead
Origin: Drop-In
Gender: Female

-Perks-
Basic Shooting Skills (Free)
Horse Riding (Free)
Drifter (Free)
A Regular Annie Oakley (1100)
Dead Eye Targeting (800)

-Companions-
Getting The Gang Back Together (0)

-Items-
Guns (Carbine Repeater) (Free)
Moonshine (Free)

-Scenario-
Master Sharpshooter

Pastebin writeup: http://pastebin.com/KmdyEWdz

So, anybody want to suggest what I should jump next?

>>48900805
The rather...vitriolic responses aside, from an intrajump perspective isn't this a drastically greater developable effect than any other racial capstone? Hive control has a ceiling, writ of union explicitly comes with some common sense downsides, even Behemoth has the caveat of the square-cube law.

This though-implies eventual feats so far behind the average Huragok as the average human is from an ant with zero effort save purchase of the perk.

>>48900852
Because that level of power is beyond the scope of the setting and is chainbreaking.

>>48900876
Kung Fury.

>>48900856
It's what he does. He creates a false argument acting like a retard, then he responds to himself acting like a retard in another way to get everyone to argue with him. See >>48900872 , he's started stage two, where he tries to discredit anyone arguing against his post >>48900841 by bringing in more obvious bait.

>>48900852
Can you stop engaging him? You are talking to a troll, and increasing his power with every (You) he receives.

>>48900852
It's because that person(s) doesn't know what they're talking about. The perk is fine.

>>48900805
All of the other capstones have limits. There's no reason for this one to not have one as well.

>>48900662
I disagree. I hate it when Jumpmakers refer to media that doesn't exist in the Jump.

>>48900852
To clarify-I don't think there's a need for a hardcap necessarily, perhaps tech above the Forerunners' scope is softcapped "merely" assisted by significant insight and capability for reverse engineering instead of complete understanding?

>>48900920
You need to get the hell out and leave us alone already. Every day with your shit.

>>48900872
>I'm being defended by the anti-red poster
Mixed_feelings.jpeg

>>48900895
>>48900869
I believe in everyone's right to be heard and addressed, anons.

>>48900890
How? You'll only gain at max the same level of tech as the other people that you take it from.

>>48900920
>>48900884
Okay, this I can understand and work with. Still, I tried to put de facto limits in the form of requiring untold amounts of time to truly understand some of the most complex tech.

>>48900895
Going by his language he's probably Antired (>>48900872) to boot, trying to see how a new target response.

>>48900917
Was he talking about the TARDIS? See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I thought it was some Halo thing and would have never guessed that.

>>48900912
This is a learning perk, unlike any of the others. Learning is all about surmounting your limits and gaining new skills.

>>48900954
Okay, I'll put something in clarifying that.

>>48900933
Anyone who want reasonable limits is the same person and a Shitposter. Right?

>>48900782
Do you know how fast a Jumper can learn with the right perks? I know, I know, muh interjump balance. But when you intentionally create a perk which is completely broken, then say "but it's not really broken because it's limited by X factor you can easily get around," you're basically trying to get away with an unlimited perk.

>>48900933
Make me, nerd.

Oh wait.

Ya can't. Maybe you should've defended your point of view a little more eloquently instead of deluding yourself into thinking I'm Red. You got a point to make, make it concise and make it objective instead of bitching to get your way.

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>>48900951
>I believe in everyone's right to be heard and addressed
This kind of shit is why the shitposter swallows more than half the posts in the threads lately, rather than how he was in like April when he'd make one post and leave after being ignored.

>>48900985
Why are you attacking Red now? You expect that to make anyone agree with your opinions?

Welp. See you guys next thread.

>>48900920
>>48900951
Nah. All the other capstones give you a powerful, but unique ability that puts you a cut above your race in some way. What you are suggesting would make you a normal Huragok-for 800 cp.

It's fine as it was in the original draft. If you're going to change it so that it's capped (soft or otherwise) at Forerunner tech, I suggest you decrease the price, make it free for Huragok, and come up with another capstone.

>>48900982
Combining several different perks in any direction is always a recipe for an extremely powerful jumper. This is a capstone, and was meant to be extremely powerful, let alone in combination with other perks.

>>48900991
I'm trying really hard to avoid false positives in that regard. I don't want to ignore legitimate concerns.

>>48900975
How about you just say that more complicated and advanced technology with safeguards against reverse engineering like tinker stuff from work has a scaling level of difficulty to understand relative to Forerunner tech? Kind of like how normal learning and intelligence perks work?

>>48900991
This. I remember when the shitposter actually used to have half of dozen of his posts banned at a time. I like to think it was because he was actually being reported and ignored instead of, well, engaged.

Dunno how true what someone said about him being a janitor was, though it's pretty sad to think he did it just to help him win arguments.

>>48901008
It's the flavor of the year opinion to have.

>>48901018
You failed in this very post. Unless you think someone implying that you have some kind of conspiracy going on is actually a legitimate critic.

>>48900980
Right now? Yes. There is only one person shitposting right now, ad you're it.

>>48901008
Familiar posting style. And I was accusing YOU of being Antired, but I can admit when I fuck up. You're still a dumbass for being so full of yourself you think you can argue someone off the internet though.

>>48901014
See, now this is a reasonable objection.

In the spirit of jolly cooperation I'd like to suggest buffing the 600 CP Huragok perk, to redesign tech of all kinds to adapt to radically different purposes.

>>48901024
I'm pretty sure him being a janitor is just a lie he tries to spread to scare people away from reporting him.

>>48901018
He's insulting you, stating that you think other jumpmakers suck, and otherwise being a poisonous cunt. It isn't hard to see who is trolling and who isn't.

>>48901014
>If you're going to change it so that it's capped (soft or otherwise) at Forerunner tech,

I don't intend to really cap it at forerunner tech, I just want the things after that to take amounts of time that make sense. Tardis tech might've had the forerunners scratching their heads, so it makes sense that it'd require you an amount of time to comprehend as well. But whatever the case, you could figure out in months what others would need a lifetime for.

>>48901022
I might do that, that could work.

>>48901042
Well, I'm avoiding false positives more than false negatives, so I've probably succeeded in the former and failed in the latter. But that's all I cared about, really, though I can see the effects of uncontrolled shitposting.

>>48901018
"It's a capstone" doesn't mean "it should be omnipotent."

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>>48901012
>implying next thread will save us

>>48901074
I think he's just like every other person here, he hates himself so he thinks people insulting him are in the right and thus worth trying to reason with. After all, he's garbage in his own mind, so anyone calling him garbage is being reasonable and totally not just trying to start shit at all.

>>48901094
>just like every other person here

Hey man, speak for your self. I think I'm garbage but I express that by being relatively civil and out of the big arguments because they're overly repetitive and familiar to me.

>>48901081
>"it should be omnipotent."

I never said that, and the time limit is, itself, meant to be a dampener.

>>48901094
Are you a therapist, anon?

Jokes aside, I am trying really hard to incorporate all opinions into the jump because I'm new and I don't want to fuck it up. Maybe I try too hard, but I'd rather try too hard than not at all.

>>48900951
>>I'm being defended by the anti-red poster
>Mixed_feelings.jpeg
That should tell you about what you're doing right now. You're literally doing what the shittiest part of jumpchain wants you to do.

>>48901069
Dude. That doesn't stop people from reporting him, it just allows him to get rid of all the reports on his own posts, and to issue warnings and stuff to people who report him. He's legit a janitor, which is why he's so hard to get rid of.

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So, sitting here watching The Matrix on BBCA. Neo meets Morpheus for the first time, and the famous Blue Pill/Red Pill scene.

It got me thinking, how does one start their adventure? Like presumably you're, well YOU. How did the Benefactor appear to you? Did they offer you a blue pill, stay yourself but maybe have the body mod? I'm getting at is, how did one choose to be a jumper?

>>48901124
Yeah, and Hitler was advocating for not drinking alcohol or smoking. Does that mean that all the other people who've advocated that through history are just as bad?

>>48901124
>You're literally doing what the proper part of jumpchain wants you to do
FTFY. Anyone who agrees with Red's usage of arbitrary limits is just as bad as she is.

>>48901123
He has used the 'omnipotence' argument several times, with no actual evidence besides conjecture, when the settings he gave as examples have intelligence perks good enough that they could ALSO let you achieve 'omnipotence'. Just ignore him for god's sake. You are now directly contributing to the shitposting epidemic.

>>48901123
You've repeatedly said in this very thread that you designed and intended the perk to have no limits. Make up your mind.

>>48901124
>Falseflagging
So it's official that antired is actually our limitwanker samefagging to shitpost on every side.

>>48901078
>Tardis tech might've had the forerunners scratching their heads.

>"So what does this button do?"
>"Destroy the universe."
>"Ah I see... And this one?"
>"Oh break time and space."
>"Er.... Th-this one?"
>"Moves me outside of the universe, I like to get a break now and then."
>"I l-loathe to ask b-but what does th- *ehem* this one do?"
>"Oh that's the most important and dangerous."
>"What does it do?"
>"It turns the lights on, I mean how do you think I can aim my death ray without the lights."
>Complete silence from the very scared foreruner.

>>48901118
I meant every other as, half of the people here.

>>48901139
I think that people getting warned for reporting him is just another lie. Has anyone other than random anons ever claimed to get a warning?

>>48901175
That was obvious months ago.

>>48901175
Dude, the fuck's involved in pretty much every form of shitposting around here. Limitwanking, powerwanking, targeting other jumpmakers like Wakfu and Worm...

He's legitimately a tumor.

>>48901175
He's the 'powerwanker' too. He does both, depending on what's most effective bait.

Every. Single. Time.

>>48901168
I intend for it to have limits in how fast you can come to understand tech. However, being that learning perks are all about surmounting your limits, I will not set an arbitrary limit on the tech you can understand.

Boom. Finito. Line in the sand, right there. Final decision.

>>48901188
I don't think so. It's probably the same guy trying to scare people away from reporting him.

>>48901188
I got a warning a while back when I reported the shitposter.

>>48901188
>Anyone other than random anons
You're asking if a name has decided to put a shitposting target on their back by announcing their reports.

>>48901152
Drugs.

>>48901188
I think Echoanon said something like that.

>>48901211
So no cap and you learn "in a few months what other people learn in a lifetime." Is that what you're going for?

>>48901211
You've said that several times. He keeps ignoring you. Guess why.

Listen, if someone says that it has no limits or that it gives you omnipotence, then at this point they're obviously the shitposter. Just ignore them.

>>48901181
>"And...those blinking lights?"
>"Oh, that's just the weather prediction systems. Oh dear, don't touch that"
>"It bit me!" yes, according to the EU TARDISes can bite people
>"Well, to be fair you WERE getting a bit close to the chute which connects the main engines to the infinite vortex of space-time possibilities"

What if the shitposter is actually multiple shitposters under the protection of a janitor instead of just one?

>>48901211
Sounds good to me.

>>48901247
Basically, yes. This is the capstone perk for a biological supercomputer. I would be a fool to make it weak.

>>48901255
>You've said that several times.

I've not put my foot down, always been flexible. But this is the end of that question. Anything else, I'm happy to address. But not this, not anymore.

>>48901284
That would imply a conspiracy to kill /jc/ on a level I don't dare elaborate.

>>48901152
I've always thought of it as having no actual contact with the Benefactor. Kind of like just waking up in a new world, or in some cases being literally dropped into it, with my perks and items.

I was surprised to learn that Pearlescent Courtesan is a Solar martial art and not a Lunar one. You'd think it'd fit the later more

>>48900778
Works how it does in the setting, so it fits.

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>>48901152
I only half remember. She was everywhere and nowhere. My vision grew hazy, my mind clouded. When I awoke, it was already done.

>>48901310
There's no such thing as a Lunar martial art. The tiers are Terrestrial (for DBs), Celestial (for everybody), and Sidereal (which is basically the high Essence Sidereal Charmset).

>>48900778
That fits a lot better.

>>48901280

>"The what now?"
>"Oh I'll explain that when you're civilization is able to freely travel space and time, wouldn't want to spoil the surprise."
>"Ah well tha-"
>"Although do be careful when you finally do manage to create these engines, you don't wanna get stuck in a schrodinger's loop."
>"I don't thi-"
>"Well actually that might not be a bad thing, think of the possibilities."
>"Would you ple-"
>"Ok time you should leave I have things that need doing."
>"But I still have ques-"
>*The Doctor points his screwdriver menacingly*
>"Wellthanksforthetouritwaswonderful." *runs out of the tardis*

>>48901327
Maybe not in an ranking sense, but I'm reading the martial art right now and it's saying only Solars and Moonshadow Abyssals can learn it.

>>48901247
We have perks that let you learn anything you do immediately the first time you try it.

>>48901306
No, think about it. To the rest of /tg/, we must appear to be a kind of terminal cancer. I've no doubt that at least one mod or janitor hates us and wants nothing more than for us to die forever.
Once you realize that, it isn't much of a stretch to think that one of them would be more than happy to clear the reports on our most prolific shitposters, if it meant slowly killing us with a cancer of our own.

>>48901310
>Pearlescent Courtesan
You mean Dreaming Pearl Courtesan? That's a Celestial style. Any Solar, Lunar, Sidereal, Abyssal, Infernals, and a few others can learn it.

>>48901372
See >>48901352

>>48901368
To kill the cancer, they became the cancer.

>>48901380
And I'm reading Dreaming Pearl Courtesan Style right now, and it doesn't say so anywhere.

>>48901368
But once you imply that, other threads start looking at their own posts, watching for anything similar going on, a single thought in the back of their minds.

"Are we next?"

>>48901406
Serves me right for getting its description from a wiki, then.

>>48901360
Which or those?

Is Personal Force Manipulation from Worm basically Accelerator's (Raildex) power ?

>>48901408
>But once you imply that, other threads start looking at their own posts, watching for anything similar going on, a single thought in the back of their minds.
>"Are we next?"
Pffft. Yeah, because that type of thinking and rationale is prevalent on 4chan.

>>48901360
Tasks and skills are not whole disciplines.

I got one thing to say on the conspiracy:

Nazimod and drawthreads.

It can happen.

>>48901440
I think it's limited to kinetic energy

>>48901440
It's an actual physical ability rather than conceptual reality warping, but pretty much.

Kinetics only though.

>>48901458
It's certainly possible that the mod who campaigned to make a quest board is upset that some of them are still on /tg/, and in his ignorance or lack of care he might extend his hatred towards CYOA threads.

If you picked up Item Creation A+++ do you benefit from any of the crafting perks in any Type-Moon jump?

>>48901472
>conceptual reality warping
That isn't how it works.

>>48901440
Nope. I took a bit of inspiration from him but its mainly magnifying ot decreasing. You are not Accelerator by any means.

>>48901461
>>48901472
The perks say:
>Within a the space around an inch from your body you are aware of all forces currently active, and you may magnify or lessen them.

You sure it's only Kinetic?

>>48901458
You're not wrong. Shit like that does happen. All the bullshit that happened on /d/ during /aco/'s creation is a good example of that.

>>48901456
If you can learn to do every move the first time then you will know the entire dicipline in a very short amount of time.

>>48901438
I am actually looking for the name. There are a few that make you a single repititon learner.

>>48901499
Okay.

Could you elaborate? People referred to it that way before and they didn't get called out on it, so I assumed it was a good enough way of putting.

I'm going to tentatively claim Generic Creepypasta since I've been having ideas shooting around in my head for it. I'll get started on it once EMH is to my liking.

>>48901505
the different being that Accelerator can manipulate them at will reflecting them etc. right?