Force of Will

I guess it can be played in Wanderer format, but I am glad about this. Though I rather just had some more hate made for it I think it would've been to hard.

Should have banned Shion or at least Lucifer at the same time.

Here's hoping that hyper value combo control gets its shit pushed in by competent aggro as it should be with Casket.

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Well now what am I supposed to use with my beast aggro?

>>48863781
Get Ywain, cleave the world.

>>48863825
I meant for ruler. Maybe the clown nerd so I can always have red for thunders and pricias.

>>48863886
>Maybe the clown nerd so I can always have red for thunders and pricias

At least you'll never lose the Fire Mana bit now with no more Astral rulers in case you ever need to use him.

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THEY FUCKING BANNED R/R
JUST ABOUT FUCKING TIME

Now watch as the meta becomes exclusively shion and dark alice.

>>48863983
>dark alice.
Well, that deck really doesn't seem to do anything to mine. Shion is kind of wonky though.

>Ban R/R
>People stop playing Tree since it was just a reaction to R/R aggro
>Shion takes R/R's place as the best ruler in the game

Should I jump the shark now and buy into Shion or wait for the new set?

>>48864856
Perhaps, but
>why am I not using Shion
is an easier question to answer than the rr version.

>>48864965
>why am I not using Shion
Dislike the playstyle for me, same reason I never was interested in R/R. And after playing R/R decks for the last long while, I couldn't be happier with these changes. Looking forward to seeing how much bitching there's going to be at my LGS today about all this since nearly everyone runs that Ruler.

I'm running Shion with a single horn. This thing is just plain amazing.

>>48864995
Lots of bitching, I assure you. We have a gentleman's agreement not to use RR over here. I like it.

>>48863637
nice, i just adjusted my r/r deck to be more compatible with shion

I wonder how upset some of the top players will be with this change.

>>48866450
I can't imagine anyone will be upset.

>>48866774
You really think so? Asides my local shop, there's nearly three other ones in the area where the majority run that Ruler. This is the problem with the FoW community in general, once they've latched on to something that works, getting them to move on from it is another story.

>>48866870
I think the general consensus is that RR was limiting what people should and could play.

I think we'll see a more diverse meta now, and I don't think people will be mad about it

>>48867238
The power level between rulers is still way too huge. Arla isn't going to become viable while Shion and Dark Alice. Rulers need to be WAY less influential on the game than they currently are.

>>48867265
From what they said, they want Rulers to be the defining things of a Deck in FoW.

>>48867304
Then it's going to be an endless cycle of warped top 8s.

>>48863745
Shion and Captain Hook is more dangerous. That said, there are real answers to Shion if she gets too dominant via Horn + Percival, barrier of shadows, and/or Kaguya 3.0. Reflect had no answers. Shion is strong, but fine.

>>48866450
A lot of the top players post on the Facebook group and it's mostly celebration. One guy is livestreaming a burning of his RR and orbs.

>>48867696
Link?

>>48867696
no fucking way

>>48867318
I don't see how rulers mattering will screw with the top 8s.

>>48867709
>>48867746
It's top of the facebook us fow group. The guy in the video is an AGP winner. In the comments, another AGP winner says he'll livestream eating his card tonight.

>>48869918
Not seeing it at all.

>>48868080
Because you always have access to your ruler, every game. Consistency is one of the most important factors of a good deck, so when something powerful enough to be the entire engine of a deck is also the most consistent part, it's going to dominate.

So is there a full ban list anywhere?

I want to fuck Piruruk.

>>48870293
RR is the only banned card iirc

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>>48870066
He also cooked about 6 promo full art orbs.

>>48870444
I need a video of this.

So its hard to say what is going to be the obvious best ruler after rr is banned since L0/L1 are released like 10 days later. Hell I don't even know if there is a major tournament in between the two.

Obviously the best rulers right now outside of rr is shion and machina, but we dont know if the new rulers or the astral change is going to shake up.

While RR is the biggest change, there is a lot of changes happening to rulers in the next month.

New Rulers coming out
Astral Ruler Changes
Energize

Who knows if any of the older rulers will be useful without energize anyways. And if the mana fixing rulers will get a huge jump once the astral changes come out.

From the actually rulers in the new sets, Feithsing and Zero are both looking like they could be great. I'm not really digging Millium or Charlotte too much, and Wukong feels lackluster. Also we haven't seen all the ancient magic rulers yet, so we cant tell if Mars or Mercurius are going to be strong.

A lot of questions moving forward.

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>>48870540
It's a breath of fresh air, because, at least for a little while, people won't be netdecking everything and complaining about how ____ ruler is OP. Feels like there isn't enough time to enjoy Alice Cluster because even Shion and Machina can be toppled fairly often by the likes of Kaguya, Melgis, Lapis etc.

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I need to figure out what to do with my Knights of the Round deck. Need to pick up a new Ruler for that Energize effect, but losing Blazer's ability to produce Fire Will kind of messes with my L/R deck quite a bit. I already have the Dual Stones for those in there, but taking a chance on not being able to throw my usual cards out due to lack of correct Will is kind of making me think what to do with it.

>>48870911
Knights honestly aren't worth running unless you run Blazer OR you run 4x Red/White, 4x Rulers, and 2x Red/Something or White/Something. I recommend Red/Something since then you can consistently hit turn 2 lancelot.

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>>48871117

I kind of like sticking with my theme of the Knights in general, since it's basically just them in the deck and that's it. I know it's pretty gimped overall for just that, but I do have quite a bit of fun with that deck and such.

Might just try out some of the newer ones with a bit different batch of magic stones and see how it goes, because I really don't want to miss out on the Energize bit.

Spoilers tonight?

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>>48873888
Spoilers tonight. Probably green, since our preview image is of Melfee.

>>48863637
F

On that full Zero hype train now. Booty Wizard will save us all.

Wondering what I should play now, might just pick melgis for the first week and steam roll decks or valentina 2.0

>>48870237
You can also have a large variety of powerful Rulers that are able to dominate but keep each other in relative check. They just need to get better at making rulers.

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>>48877504
I've already tryhard Machina'd myself a crocoshark for this month and I don't really care about any of september's rewards, so I think I'm just gonna chill with some other favorites like Val 1.0 to capitalize on those Astral changes and maybe some risky Gill Lapis until I can throw together a Zero or Mars.

Hopefully Lunya turns out well too, I liked Nya a lot back in Grimm's lore and so far it seems like Limit is more or less what original Little Red was going for, but less terrible dogshit.

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We got some elves, boys. First we've got Fina's less useful daughter.

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>>48877979
Next is Melfee, who is more or less a copy of Feithsing 1.0

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>>48877993
Fuck this card.

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>>48878020
A nice anti-flying addition with some elf support for those Feithsing tokens.

As a newbie scrub I don't get why shion is so good.

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>>48878037

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>>48878057
This one seems pretty good. Maybe a bit slow, but I'm sure there's a workaround and the payoff could be huge if the game starts to slow down.

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>>48878074
I like this one a lot.

>RED RIDING HOODS ARE TEAMING UP GET HYPE

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>>48878098
Wind has a fuckload of stone shenanigans this set. I can see this being huge.

Also Kaguya is confirmed to have a card of some kind, I guess.

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>>48878111
And this is the last one. Just a plain old vanilla elf, probably just for getting tokens out.

Interesting spoiler. Really looking forward to Lunya now. On that note, next spoiler is already confirmed to be the Black Starter Deck on Sunday/Monday, meaning Lunya will be the last Starter shown.

>>48878098
I can imagine that this one is going to attract quite a few Burn to Cinders. I need to go up to 4 to deal with both this and Pricia of flames.

>>48878056
Lots of reasons that culminate together into one huge reason.

Firstly, she lets you look at the top card of your deck at any time, letting you plan a lot better than any other deck is able to. Add her Regalia on top of that, which lets you put the top card of your deck on the bottom of your deck, and now you're able to look through your deck for exactly what you need pretty much whenever you need it. Then thirdly, her Judgement lets you put a resonator on the top of your deck into your field, which lets you do some huge and terrible plays when coupled with her other two advantages. You could throw down an Arthur with Muse as a basic but nasty tactic, or go the popular route of Celestial Wing Seraph into Lucifer, sometimes with a Gwiber on top of that depending on the turn. She's got a ton of possibilities that are really strong.

But even without her combo game, she just lets you be consistent as fuck. And consistency is arguably the most important thing to have in a deck.

>>48878020
Jesus.

>>48878020
Fucking finally.

>>48878098
I liked her better when she was all about pumping spells.
Still a killer body and clothing.

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>>48878098
THIS is the card I've been waiting for. This is the one that gives Millium his edge. I'd really love to play him, but it just didn't seem like he had much until now. Red Riding Hood, along with Energize and his judgement stone pull could potentially let him be REALLY fast, at least as far as New Frontiers goes.

>>48877686
It's a possibility, but I seriously don't count on it. There's only so many ways you can make an overpowered card that is also in line with specific other overpowered cards. Short of them going full Yugioh and literally just inventing parasitic synergies to rename existing strategies, there's just going to be one or two dominant rulers every rotation until something changes.

>>48878020
>This kills the Valentina 2.0

>RR banned
>New set continues to be amazing
Well, this is what the game needs right now.

>>48879283
Black moonbeam already did that.

>>48878037
Protects your tokens from being hounded by a single sanguine arena, which otherwise is an annoying card for Fiethsing decks pre flip.

>>48877706
im probably just gonna play stealth valentina more than likely, deck is fun in testing, until I see what does decent.

>>48878020
Bit of mixed feelings on this card. I'm fine with over the top regalia hate, but additions just keep getting dumped on, enough so that it's hard to justify the deck space for them outside stuff like barrier of shadows. Still good in a sideboard if your opponent isn't running this though I suppose.

Wow.

I've been away from the game for quite a few months, and i can't believe what they've done to the card borders. This layout is simply confusing with the stats on the side and that font for the card name is good awful.

After hearing R/R was getting banned I thought of coming back to the game but this new look is really off-putting, especially since I loved how they used to look.

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>>48880892

Please calm down.

>>48879324
We'll have to see how this all plays out, and see what takes R/R spot as the most played after.

>>48863713
>I guess it can be played in Wanderer format
Which means Wanderer will still be dominated by R/R until they choose to ban it there too. The card is just too fucking retarded.

>>48882300
Any ruler that rocks the 4 Melder 4 Riza shell well enough can place at this point. Dark Alice was top 8ing before but Yog is probably more playable because Laevateinn turns Riza online.

>>48882445
I have no idea what you just said, but I agree.

>>48882445
Meh, I'm still not really impressed by that deck. If you just play a Prison in the Lunar Lake facedown on the turn before they try to combo they get jack.

Also something occured to me. I know they eliminated instants and just gave Chants Quickcast, but did they kill off Standbys too? I haven't seen any in the new spoilers I don't think.

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FoW Online is being highlighted a bit. Looks quite a bit like MTGO.

http://fowtcg.com/news/announcing-force-of-will-battle-simulator/

>>48882445
Somewhat disagree, it had a strong presence pre-RR ban, but it also got beaten by some other deck types. Some of the things it got away with under RR, such as main decking 1 blood boil and 1 moonbeam, just don't work unless you run Shion, whose consistency is much easier controlled by old and new regalia hate along with the old trusty horn vanish if she does flip shenanigans.

>>48880892
Is this what autism looks like? I've never seen it first hand.

So what is a good way to build a deck around Sylvia? Lots of dragons and just rush down with Sylvia's Roar?

>>48885207
Just standard RDW shenanigans. Except now you can splash green for rapid growths.

>>48885407
>RDW
Which?

>>48885568
Red deck wins. Hit fast and hit hard with creatures like Lancelot, Pricia Pursuant, burn spells, Rukh egg to get what you want, ect.

Take number 3 from this list as an example. All you would really need to do is take out R/R for Sylvia, maybe some other things as well like the black cards. Necromancy might fall a bit out of favor due to the fact that you no longer have R/R to get Lancelot that last +200 for 1000 power every turn.
http://www.libraryofwill.com/agp-providence-08132016/

>>48885207
I actually just built Sylvia. I splash blue for Alice's Castling, which is amazing in the deck.

But yeah, it's really just aggro. If there were any fight cards in the format (Duel of Truth for example) you'd wanna play those as well. Also have the white sword in the deck so we can target attack their dudes and make huge amounts of floating will. Run the G/R Pricia and Lancelots, Rapid Growths, etc. I'm running Volga in mine so I can burn him with Lance if need be and deal a bit of extra damage.

>>48885709
>Pricia Pursuant
Oh, I had a question about her. Can I use Flame King's Shout to throw her out on the field or not since she's split will?

>>48885763
The main fight card I found was Beast Queen's Counterattack, which I felt worked well.

>>48885784
There is also Battle for Attoractia (the card). Remnant for recursion, but no +400/400.

How does this game compare to MTG?

>>48885842
It's weeb magic with a better will/land system and more large breasted/flat chested women.

>>48885842 and the fact that decks usually work around your ruler and your ruler with your cards, so now that theres no R/R we will start to see a little more variety of decks

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>>48885842
Very similar mechanics. You can play a stone once a turn (land), stones tap for will (mana), spend will to cast stuff. Creatures tap to attack. If a creature's toughness is zero, it dies. Combat damage is the same. A lot of keywords are the same (swiftness = haste, quickcast = flash, ect.)
The major difference is that you can chose to attack tapped creatures rather than your opponent, and creatures tap when they block. Because of this, summoning sickness only lasts until the end of the turn it comes down, meaning you can cast a mana dork and have mana up for a counterspell.
Another key difference is that there are no real "phases" like battle phase and main phase and works very similar to Hearthstone in that regard. You can attack first, cast some things, attack with another guy, cast some things, ect. There is still draw > untap > "main" > end though.
The main deck is 40 cards, and the stones are in a separate deck which can only be called by tapping the ruler.
And then there is the obvious ruler. Think of a ruler like an enchantment that cannot die. Some of them are more useful than others, for example one might provide mana fixing for some colors, while others can provide a small pump. The rulers can tap to call a stone once a turn. Most rulers have a judgment where they flip and become a creature, and have powerful abilities on the creature side. Although despite this being one of the game's key mechanic, they have a lot of hard counters.
Pic related is a ruler that has been flipped, known as a J/resonator.

>>48885842
>>48886557
>Pic related is a ruler that has been flipped, known as a J/resonator
This is wrong. there are Resonators, Rulers and J-rulers creaturewise. Rulers are not flipped J-Rulers(Judgement Rulers, I believe) have previously flipped. Certain cards say J/Resonator, which is a short way to say
>J-ruler and/or Resonator
Thus Little Red, the True Fairy Tale only affects her Resonators, because it says Resonator only. Timeline Arsonist, Alisaris' God's Art(Once per game ability) specifies that it deals damage to all your opponent's "J/Resonators" meaning that nothing is safe from what is likely 2k damage.
Note also that as soon as a J-ruler bites it, they flip back to their ruler side. Unless they had [Imperishable] at the time of death they won't be able to flip again. They used to essentially become blank upon death, but now they just return to ruler side forever. Think of them like a (usually one use) commander that actually does shit before flipping.
The stone deck thing is super important to most people moving from magic, apparently.

Which one has the largest bust in this game, and can I use her in a deck?

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>>48886915
Celestial Wing Seraph. And yes, she's very very very good. THE win condition for most Shion decks and any good angel themed deck.

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>tfw not nearly enough R34 of this

>>48887143
>THE win condition for most Shion decks
How so?

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>>48887143

It really does look like she's trying her best to hold her chest up as well.

>>48887343
Flying around and fighting are probably hard when you've got tits as big as your head flopping all over, she's probably got to hold them still.

>>48887328
+lucifer= 2 flying angels for 5 mana, one of them makes the opponent sacrifice a creature and he is a 900/900

>>48887405
and if you've got a 6th stone, slap a Gwiber on there for good measure. And Shion herself hits the field at 900/1000, then can buff up to 1400/1500 and Duel of Truth something next turn to clear the way before she steamrolls you.

There are a ton of answers, obviously, like any reasonable strategy. And setting her up is gonna be pretty rough with all the regalia hate that's coming. But currently she's still really really good.

>>48885709
id say red/white sylvia nights is much better since you have access to gwain and perceval

Does anyone know a card database that allows sorting by the artist?

>>48888996
I don't think there's one for FoW.

What's the closest equivalent for Ravager Affinity?

>>48888734
you might as well use blazer for R/W knights

Lets talk value, which cards will go up in price, which cards will forever be .10? promos? full arts?

>>48891897
Nothing outside of promos/limited cards will get crazy in price. This game's secondary market is dirt cheap.

That said, Ruler's memoria will maintain $10 or up, Hydromonica will creep up til Lapis release, not much else comes to mind because most cards are easily available.

>>48891897
If the game lives long, which I hope it does say 10 years from now if there isnt crazy power creep your cards might be worth.

Thats high expectations though

I think FOW online will make this game big, imagine /fowg/ and constant duels. This is of course its easy to use and not utter shit.

>>48892911
>FoW online will make this game big
>Force general being a thing

You are really setting yourself up for disappointment there

>>48891776
I side blazer atm, havent done much testing yet

>>48892911
Sorry, but the client looks pretty awful. It looks exactly like MTGO did back in 2000.

>>48893467
Remember that MtG generals are things and all that has going for it is shaking it's cane and complaining about everything.

>>48891897
AGP prize cards will retain value, judge promos will retain some value (even the RR), you will be able to wipe your ass with regular RR and orb prints, most singles are going to remain cheap.

Game is in an interesting spot right now. It died at a lot of locals and plenty of people are selling off, but the new set is so good and with new starter decks on the way I could see a reboot of sorts if your scene is struggling.

>>48888734
What does sylvia provide to that though? What would you do with that green mana?

Just pulled a Dark Alice out of a random pack at my FLGS

Anyone have a good/interesting list to run her in? Gonna order some cards tomorrow to round out Machina, and prepare for Zero dropping.

>>48886557
>>48886733
Would you say FoW is "easier" than mtg?

My nephew didn't really click with mtg and I'm itching to play something.

>>48897153
The Will/Land being in a seperate deck is a nice start to that, but there's some bits that are just as wonky as MTG to work out. It's not bad, and you might be able to take him to a FoW training night at your LGS if they still carry/run the game and such since those Trial Decks are made for new players.

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>>48897153
In terms of complexity of rules?

FoW is still a fairly complex game, most of the complexity comes from the chase and priority though. In perspective, MtG's Comprehensive rules is about 3x the size of FoW's. Just play with the old (or Sept. 9th new) starter decks and it should be fairly straight forward. If you can get your hands on the Pan/hook teaching decks, that would be fine but don't go out of your way to acquire them.

Anyone on here play on untap?

>>48902441
I do, but it's just so clunky to play with people that aren't on voice chat and such.

Is there a free to play online community for FoW at all, like Cockatrice/Xmage for MtG? Been wanting to try it out, but really don't want to drop money on another TCG.

>>48903649
Open beta for the official FoW online thing goes live sometime next month. Won't include older cards, but gives access to all the Lapis stuff going forward for free, supposedly.

Will these threads live for a change when the online comes out?

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>>48904199
Things should pick up a little bit with new releases and beta release of the online version, but I wouldn't expect these threads to change over night.

dead

So wait, they actually banned something in this game? Seriously? After the bullshit with Swords and now with R/R, i honestly thought they wouldn't ever ban anything in this game. That is beyond hilarious. R/R is this games Jace the Walletsculptor, in both form and now function. You are telling me that they didn't learn from the 20+ YEARS of MtG and other card games history? That putting that many effects on something that is FREE is a bad idea? This is NOT a new concept in any sense of the word but they did it anyway. That is sad.

>>48906735
Nice