What are some RPGs that are set in non western culture that AREN'T

Spears of the Dawn

Legends of the Wulin is a solidly put together archetypal Wuxia setting. You could call it stereotypical, but given it's a significant cultural genre for China I think it's worth acknowledging that they did a good job. It even contains discussions of the role of filial piety in Chinese society, Confucianism and lots of other historical and cultural details that can add depth and differentiation to a game.

>>48853471
Could you write that in zhuo ren gen, please?

Legend of the Five Rings?

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>>48853471
>actuall well reseached
>manchu dress.gif

That is clearly an áo dài. Physician, heal thyself.

>>48854201
Nah. I love me some legend of the five weebs, but it's not well researched or historically accurate. It's a fantasy setting with a veneer of samurai HONOR as perceived by someone from the 90s who saw half a kurowasa film one time.

>>48854201
>>48854844

L5R contains some insane stuff. Then again, it's by John Wick.

I still can't get over the man arguing that Ronin aren't important in Samurai stories. I mean... Fuck. That is so aggressively wrong it's hard to know where to start.

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>>48853471
Tekumel. It's science fantasy, and it's creator was a linguist to rival Tolkien.

Nuclear war on Earth wipes out most non brown folks, who then colonize the stars and meet a bunch of aliens. They colonize a certain planet and terraform it all to hell, and fail at the genocide of two indigenous races. Something happens to knock this vacation world into a pocket dimension. Eons pass, psychic powers are a science and there is a very real pantheon of deities that interact with the mix of humans and aliens who inhabit this world.

It's got a lot of history and constructed languages, and the human societies of the main Empire and her neighbours are inspired by South Asian, South American and Middle Eastern societies.

It's brilliant.

>>48854844
I mean, it's about as accurate as standard fantasy is to medieval history.

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Tenra Bansho Zero is a Japanese game made by Japanese people for a Japanese audience. It's super fucking Japanese.

>>48856574
Considering D&D standard fantasy looks to emulate the age of discovery but sweaty nerds only new le renaissance and medieval times they associated it with the late middle ages. The only thing missing was guns really.

Other systems based themselves on D&D, so the problem snowballed.

>>48853471

We don't even get well-researched and unstereotypical Western cultures. Take your speshul snowflek demands and sod off.

>>48856703
>Runequest
>Ars Magica
>Earthdawn
>Song of Swords
Just because you don't play them doesn't mean they don't exist.You just need to grog harder.

>>48853471
>Well research
>Manchu Dress

It is an Ao Dai, missing the pants.

Vietnamese outfit by the way, in case you didn't notice she was Vietnamese.

>>48853471
>Manchu dress
And you have audacity to talk about well-researched stuff?

>>48856766
>Implying any of those is well-researched, non-stereotypical bullshit
My fucking sides... Fucking Glorantha is better researched than any of those listed

Masks of Nyarlathotep for CoC has pretty extensive sections of advice for portraying 1920s Egypt and Hong Kong. In general CoC is known for being thoroughly researched.

>tfw Guild Wars: Nightfall was the only time I've ever seen African fantasy that wasn't just Egypt or bushmen with spears, but actually looked at a variety of inspirations and had many diverse civilizations
>Guild Wars 2 ignored it completely and is never going back
>tabletop adaptation never

i wanna die

>>48853471
>What are some RPGs that are set in non western culture that AREN'T mad stereotypical and actually well researched

Someone like you will call literally anything that makes of a foreign culture stereotypical. You know, like this guy >>48853616.

>>48859966
>tfw friend gave me his copy of Nightfall
>tfw he forgot his account name and password and deleted his email

Fuck

Feng Shui managed to take all the stereotypes and cliches, refine them and turn into one of the best Wuxia game around and probably the only Hongkong action game around.

Wasn't there a not!Africa setting released based on extensive research on west african kingdoms but got killed in the cradle by raging SJW?

>black people involved in anything is racist!
>Masks? Shields? I cannot even

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My favorite RPG of all time

>>48860694
Can you tell something more about it? Can't find shit about it in net, but then again, I'm at work, so I'm not searching that hard

Kindred of the East
Kidding, but the art is phenomenal

>>48860713
>Set in historical warring states period China
>Simplistic character creation that discourages munchkin and encourages specialization
>Contains factual beliefs and practices of then dominant Taoist relgion
>Has politically competent setting for the period
>Unique rolling system that utilized 2d10(not percentile) which has orders of magnitude for critical hits, as well as other balancing mechanics.

>>48859708
Glorantha is one of those things that were listed.

Are you okay, anon?

>>48860694
>Qin

Seems interesting. Time to check it out. Then I sacrifice to ancestors to help me convince my players to play the damn thing.

>>48856680

Yeah, it's pretty bad. I think the person you're replying to, though, was voicing a mild complaint about all the shit L5R gets for 'not being historically accurate' when it is just as wildly inaccurate as every western based RPG, and just about as connected to its source material. Paladins, Bards, Barbarians, Monks, Wizards...

>>48860756
I'm asking about the setting. Is it fantasy? Is it real world? How close it is to historical realism? How well researched it is? What are the broad goals for it if it's political

And how you described it so far greatly decreased my interest. 2d10 is one of the worst mechanics around.
Also, Daoism wasn't ever "main" or "dominant", which further decrease my interest if that's the thing going.

>>48860428
>probably the only Hongkong action game around.
The only one still in production. Back in the early 2000s there was Hong Kong Action Theatre as well.

>>48860990
But it wasn't as elastic as Feng Shui. At least not for my players

>>48860756
>Contains factual beliefs and practices of then dominant Taoist religion
Taoist religion started in the Han dynasty and was never really 'dominant'. Although IIRC the Tang dynasty emperors did claim to be descendants of Laozi, which is pretty entertaining of them.

>>48854608
That pic is beautiful.

>>48853471
>muh stereotypes
What matters is authenticity, not originality.
McFucking Kill Yourself.

>>48860756
>2016
>dominant
>Taoist
>religion
3 words, all three wrong

>>48860756
>Simplistic character creation that discourages munchkin and encourages specialization
I've never played and in no way hating on the game, but that claim is impossible, because munchkining is just specializing in a given way to kill things.

>>48861915
I think by dominant he meant the dominant variation of Taoism, not that Taoism was the dominant religion. And it is a religion. System of beliefs that govern your life. Also, has beliefs about the supernatural, so fit the colloquial definition too.

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Yes, because the western fantasy settings with Scottish dwarves, snooty elves, not!Britain, and all of those other trappings are definitely not stereotypical.

>>48862079
>System of beliefs that govern your life
Does that make an euphoric fedora-wearing atheism a religion too?

>>48862175
I'm a christian, but, yes.

>>48862133

>sarcastic response
>doesn't realize that a lot of this is assumed by players and varies from setting to setting

/v/ plz leave

>>48853471
There are games from other countries, so those by their nature fit the bill. Some have even been translated. Also, what is "mad stereotypical" mean in context. I mean people have mentioned LotW, and are arguing on it's fitting that criteria. But it's not meant to be historical, it's meant to copy the feel of Chinese movies. So is it stereotypical?

>>48854201
You're joking, right? "Mad stereotypical and not well researched" is practically L5R's tagline.

>>48854844
>>48854887
If you want better a Japanese historical fantasy RPG, get either Bushido or Sengoku.

Otherwise, fuck all of them and >>48856608

>>48853471
>The diplomat opens the negotiations.
>Your move

>>48854844
l5r does culture well for an rpg. For all it's trappings, DnD doesn't much capture the different propensities and experiences of social classes in feudal or periphal contexts. I thought explaining the gift giving tradition in l5r for instance, was nice in a way that fits in with the theme of the game rather than a randomly selected custom for sky pirate elves or something.

>>48862882
L5R has a neat, detailed culture that can make roleplaying more fun, as long as the strictness level is worked out properly between the GM and the players. One of the most common complaints about L5R boils down to the GM being super strict about following the social expectations and super harsh about punishing perceived offenders (Often completely Incorrectly).
But it's still not historically accurate or well researched, which is what OP is looking for.

>>48862079
If daoism is religion, then biology became religion by proximity.
Now I'm not denying over time daoism didn't develop "rural version", where it's pretty much "I pray to get shit done", but by times of Qin and early Han it was just philosophical school, like few others of those times.

Speaking of late warring state period - Mozi did nothing wrong

>>48853471
Those cultures don't deserve to e full rounded.

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>>48853471
Yoon-suin.

>>48863043
470-391 BC
Never forget

>>48862716
Roll will with penalty.

>>48863043
>Yang Zhu did nothing wrong
ftfy

>>48863234
>You notices she is not wearing panties
>Penalties increase tenfold
Loose an action

>>48863263
>Yang Zhu
Bitch please, it was Shang Yang who did nothing wrong
And we could avoid fucking Han dynasty bullshit if not bunch of cunts who played their stupid power game on court after Shi Huangdi death.

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>>48863043
>just philosophical school
The terms religion, superstition, philisophy etc are quite flawed when dealing with Chinese history as these are modern imported terms (for example the term for religion, 宗教, is barely a century old in the Chinese language).
In traditional Chinese language and thinking Daoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Islam etc would all be considered jiào (教), meaning teachings. These would not be categorized according to religious/secular considerations but rather according to their moral qualities and effect upon society (wicked teachings 邪教 vs righteous teachings 正教).
This was probably partly due to them all being "forced" to fit within the same cosmology (you can find plenty of Chinese temples that got Buddhas seated next to Laozi etc). When a foreign teaching refused to fit the cosmology it would be denounced as heretical 邪教 (for example: When the first Jesuits arrived in China their teachings were considered righteous 正 and moral. But when the Pope refused to aknowledge the Emperor as the real voice of Heaven/God all the Jesuits had to pack up and leave China as they were clearly envoys of wickedness 邪教).

>>48863798
Grandmother-in-law passed away this year. She was given a chinese Buddhist funeral, and it was interesting to see how it incorporated a whole bunch of different practices and beliefs. It seemed like they were covering their bases with the afterlife.

I understand that culturally it's quite common for Chinese to pick and choose from religions/ teachings (notwithstanding the suppression in recent decades on the mainland) and not be overly bothered by discrepancies between them. Hence my Grandmother in law was kinda Catholic and kinda Buddhist.

>>48860055
LE KEK KEK ALERT KEK ALERT

>>48863798
>But when the Pope refused to aknowledge the Emperor as the real voice of Heaven/God all the Jesuits had to pack up and leave China
Mate, this had nothing to do with religion. It was just politics and everyone in Europe thinking trading with Manchus would be easier and more profitable.
They were wrong.

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>>48863951
Yes and no. An issue being political does not mean it can't also be religious at the same time.
The Emperor was both supreme political & religious ruler in the Chinese cosmology. Somebody challenging this was challenging both the secular Imperial power as well as the cosmology it was based upon.
Furthermore the issue was more complicated than the ranking between the Emperor and the Pope. Matteo Ricci wanted the Catholics to adapt (Ancestral worship okay, Confucious sainthood etc) to China, the Pope considered this approach heretical and wanted the Chinese to adapt instead (something he made quite clear in a rather blunt letter to the Emperor).

The strict division between religious and secular is quite modern, for most of history these would overlap.

>>48863163
>Oh boy! More tables!

OSR books would be a lot more useful to me if they stopped this weird table fetish and actually stated things outright for a change.

>>48864289
>Mid 1600s
>He really thinks it was about religion
What if I told you last Mings were Christians? And not just because of political reasons, but actually converting long before it became political.

GURPS

>>48865896
>What if I told you last Mings were Christians?
Not that anon, but I'd say 'you'll need extraordinary evidence, because that right there is an extraordinary claim'.

>>48860746
When it's not done by Mel Uran, at least.

>>48856877
Who is she tho

>>48856538
Mah nigga

>>48862133
Don't forget teh pwoor misunderstood Orcs, pre-industrial shitholes somehow now being more diverse than a Disney cartoon, and the stronk independent wymenz who ain't NEED NO MAN. Pretty much the average RPG setting now a days.

>>48866542
Depending on source, Chongzhen emperor either converted with his entire family or his entire family sans him converted by early 1630s.
I guess he didn't, but it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume the sources about his family are right.

I need more games, nerds! Throw in something set in any part of Africa, let's trigger /pol/tards together

>>48868519
There's Spears of the Dawn, which apparently gets a lot of pretty good buzz.

>>48867244
I'd need to see a link to a reputable source. Google Books doesn't seem to give anything.

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>>48859708
>Glorantha is more well-researched than Runequest

>>48861740
Would be better if fucking "Coreans" didn't mandate that women had to wear pants underneath a dress.

>>48866628
Google young Vietnamese girl jenny

I only remember thanks to 7th Sea Jenny guild.

>>48859708
>Fucking Glorantha is better researched than any of those listed

If by better researched you mean uninspired and reads like a boring history textbook mixed with only the most yawn-inducing mythology, you're right.

It's like the life's work of a very sad college professor.

>>48856877
Fuck I'm moving to Vietnam

>>48863163
My Negro

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>>48853471
An actual history textbook, maybe? A ruleset's only a method of resolving actions. You could take something like FATE or GURPs and run any historical period in it.

What you're asking for is a sourcebook, not a ruleset.

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>>48853471
Source on that?

>>48875247
Read the thread.

>>48875819
Was referring to the .gif itself, not the dress type.

You'd think one of the reverse image searchers would ping a better quality gif/video but no.

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>>48854201
You meant to type Sengoku RPG, right? Rrrrright?

>>48856766
Harnmaster

>>48862133
Do Anglos really believe that classical fantasy is about notBritain? For it is at least equal parts German (HRE) and Scandinavian.

>>48875942
... wouldn't happen to have a pdf of that, do you?

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>>48871658
kek'd harder than I should have

>>48875992
no but I have a link
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ve8b01h9hyemh/HM

>>48856608
Shinobigami which is coming out soon also fits that bill if you've got a thing for ninjas.

Translated by the same guys who translated TBZ, in fact.

They're even releasing it in the same kind of format that it had in Japan.

>>48876092
Thanks

>>48874293
>Glorantha
>uninspired
How to detect a pleb shitposting

>>48853471
Nyambe: African Adventures

>>48875857
They gave the source of the girl. Read.

>>48854201
L5R, not so much. Just the katana rules alone are weeb as fuck.

>>48876483
Can you say something more about it?

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Remember that one time some anthropology nerds made a game?

>okay but what if Eskimo Vikings?
>Plains-Indian Romans!
>fucking Han Chinese Mayans, bruh!
>Dot-Indian Egypt!?
>and i dunno, Celtic Persians why not

>>48877510
It would be nice if the game wasn't clusterfuck of rules and the setting wasn't just a random patchwork of ideas.
Also, the hell it has to do with OP's question?

>>48874413
Same.
*Fortunate Son starts playing*

>>48859708
Do you even praise Genosus?

>>48877510
This game was utter garbage

>>48862133
>scottish dwarves
dwarves are jews.

>>48880378
That's what gnomes are for. Depending on from what part of Europe you are, dorfs are either Scottish stand in or just Germans

>>48880473
>Dorfs
>German
Come again

>>48881242
>>48880473
>>48880378

Dorfs are German-Jew-Scottish-Faggots.

Nothing wrong with that, but I wanted to make things clear.

>>48881935
Told you already - gnomes are Jews. Dorfs are just German. And faggots, if they seriously lack females

Post more games, nerds!

>non-western
>asian thread
imma need you guys to stop

>>48886033
African settings were also listed.
Also, what's your problem? OP probably just wanted to get some good Chinese/Japanese game but was too big pussy to ask straight

>>48854075
wat

>>48861757
>What matters is authenticity, not originality.
(Not him) Could you elaborate please?

>>48862133
I wish to see a scottish dwarf one day. I only read about it on forums.

>>48856538
I played Tekumel once. I was joining in the last session of an already running campaign so I was given an NPC hireling. It was confusing.

>>48876436
That guy's got one of the most massive hateboners I've ever seen. He shows up whenever Glorantha is mentioned, and always says the exact same thing.

>>48853471

Golden Sky Stories, actually. I mean, it doesn't even really feature yashikei stereotypes.

Night Witches if you dont' consider Russia "West", maybe.

>>48891127
Golden Sky, want to see a PDF of that, play test it a bit. Could be a good game for the children ward.

>>48865849
They give you the tools to make your own shit fast and easy. Rather than explaining what sorts of things are going on. They give you examples of what can be found there, and from that you extrapolate what has happened.

>>48891681

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/exr6if4x3xew4/RPG

>>48853471
What are some RPGs that are set in western culture that AREN'T mad stereotypical and actually well researched.

Oh right, none. RPGs are pretty universally none of that because stereotypes are fun.

>>48892463
This. Extremes suck, but overall there are a lot of stereotypes that people like, and if nothing else they're readily familiar. It's a lot harder to sell an absolutely crazy setting made out of the blue with no inspiration or common themes with anything in the past thirty years.

Also, how can you make something historically accurate, but not stereotypical?

>>48892463

Aces & Eights
Dogs in the Vineyard
Pendragon

>>48893047
>Aren't stereotypical
>Well researched
>Posts 3 games that are screaming stereotypes
Mate, are you even trying?

>>48893015
>Also, how can you make something historically accurate, but not stereotypical
Polish "Wild Fields" can probably fit this role, given it's set in historical boundaries of 17th century Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and because the time period was all about overblown behavior, you are technically not playing as a stereotypical Polish noble.
Especially in 2nd ed, which tweaked few things to allow more player agency.

>>48895010
2e was fucking dogshit awful crunch-wise

>>48874227
>tfw need premium Gator account to download

>>48856766
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>>48875888
>>48893047
Why do the good posts always have to drown in a sewage of shitposts?

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>>48897206
>Good posts
>DitV shilling
>Pendragon shilling

>>48883620
There is nothing jewish about gnomes. Dwarves are the gold-obsessives who don't trust other races.

>>48898186
>His gnomes aren't Jewish
>His dwarves aren't Germans
Shit taste, mate, shit taste

>>48897104
Spend some money for your porn. They still need money like anyone else.

>>48892297
Sweet thanks!

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>>48854608
>That is clearly an áo dài

educate thyself

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>>48898654
>Posting shit that only proves the other anon was right

>>48898666

>no pants
not an ao dai

>>48898688
Are you being deliberately dumb?

>>48898711

are you?

it's a fucking costume for literal porn.

>>48898743
Which does not stop it being an ao dai.

>>48898756

it's missing half of what makes it an ao dai.

at best, it is a stereotypical asian dress.

>>48898778
>it's missing half of what makes it an ao dai.
No it isn't. The pants are not a part of the dress, they are another layer worn beneath it.

>>48898795
>he pants are not a part of the dress, they are another layer worn beneath it.

>The áo dài is a Vietnamese national costume, now most commonly worn by women. In its current form, it is a tight-fitting silk tunic worn over pants.

you need the pants for an ao dai, the thigh slit is too high.

that might fly in your hyper sexual western culture but modesty is still a thing in asia.

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>>48898855
>you need the pants for an ao dai, the thigh slit is too high.
Of course you do you potato, but they aren't part of it, as you can see from this handily labelled image.

>>48898855
>that might fly in your hyper sexual western culture
TV is not the culture. It is TV. Fiction.
Example: I do not think Asians can fly even though I saw it on Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
Further Example: In my American home town one of my friends has been showing her stomach a bit at school because it's sweltering hot out these days here. She has been coming to school with regular bruises, and it turns out her father had been regularly beating her for "dressing like a harlot" and her mother kept looking the other way,
Everyone is trying to keep it fairly quiet because they are otherwise well-liked people who go to church and stuff and so publication of his increasingly violent physical abuse of his daughter would be "unseemly".

>>48898778
>it's missing half of what makes it an ao dai.
The pants aren't part of ao dai, you dumb nigger. Ao dai is the outer layer dress.

Get rekt

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>>48898882

and other diagrams show the pants. your diagram and mine merely show where the parts of dress are on the upper tunic.

>>48898938
>Ao dai is the outer layer dress.

no you stupid fuck, it's the lower part of the dress.

but go ahead, wear an ao dai without pants and see what a stupid fagot you are.

>>48898897
>TV is not the culture. It is TV. Fiction.
>Example: I do not think Asians can fly even though I saw it on Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
>Further Example:

the fuck is even your point?

go to your downtown nightlife area and take a look for yourself how western people dress and act.

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>>48898973
>Being contrarian for no other reason than making a shit-lifting competition

>>48898981
>Being contrarian

>calling out some porn costume as not being a real ao dai
>being contrarian

get your head out of your ass, you autistic fuck

>>48898973
Fortunately, it's only month till end of summer

>>48898997
(you)

>>48898897
USA the land of the free! Unless that freedom goes against the political correctness

But yah even sexier versions of the qipao are very modest. Like oh my god a boob window, no sleeves and mini dress long.

In a very generic way Asians have a distinction between, sexy, nudity, sexuality and sex. Like a clear distinction that unless you study or live there for a long time is very hard to grasp for westerners.

>>48898999

>be wrong
>better call him summer

honestly had to check the board i'm on, i thought i was on /b/ for a while.

>>48899006

>>>/b/ is that way shitposter

>>48898973
So being armchair Vietnamese clothes expert is now also a thing on /tg/?

>>48889715
Hear hear.

In my experience people go so far over board to avoid stereotypes, I'm not sure if I've ever seen a stereotype-anything in my gaming experience. Only read about that shit here on /tg/

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>>48899015
>Calls people shitposters
>Orchiestrated 30+ post long argument that has nothing to do with thread content
Thanks for destroying pretty fun thread

>>48898973
>wear an ao dai without pants
I was thinking with jeggings, myself.

>>48899018
Yes. This is /tg/ unless we go full summertards we can be civil discussing anything. Personally when I use "Not! X culture" in my games I like to be rather accurate when I GM, but that is just me enjoying world building.

>>48899018

no, but having eyes and a working brain helps.

did any of you pretentious fucks even google the sauce from >>48874227 ? it's from a fucking porn video. i can't believe some other anon had the fucking balls and lack of brains to say that this porn is authentic vietnamese culture, but slutty western culture is just a meme on tv.

>>48899032
my initial post contained a guide on ao dai and qipao.

go ahead and keep shitposting, i can keep calling you an idiot all day.

>>48899044
maybe in the future anon. ao dai has changed throughout the centuries.

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>literally a vietnamese vesting forum

meme magic etc.

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>>48853471
>>48854608
>>48898654
>>48898666
>>48898688
>>48898743
>>48898756
>>48898778
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>>48898855
>>48898938
>>48898973

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>>48899096

Since that asshole left, bump for more games

>>48853471
Exalted.

I know, I know, it has the stereotype of being anime as fuck, but actually go read about its setting instead of its protagonists.

>>48900595

stop being a booty blasted autistic. there was no shitstorm when people pointed out

>manchudress.jpg
>manchu dress

but someone points out it's literally a fucking costume and you and whoever else lose their shit over it.

>>48901561
Isn't this tiresome for you? I mean you already screwed the thread, so what now? Sitting around and watching if stuff is going nice, so you can derail it again?
Fuck you and cunts like you.

>anons discussing the finer points of oriental dresswear
>people are getting assmangled
Fuck both of you faggots. This is the kind of derail that should have been fun and educational for everyone, but instead it's just an autistic pissorgy.

>>48901785
>blaming me for derailing the thread
>when everyone else took this thread to another fucking trainyard
>people were discussing the ming emperor being secretly christian

i wish i could debate the finer points of why you're acting like That Kid right now,but i could have a more productive conversation with a literal child.

and honestly, i left the tabs open while i went to go eat lunch. i'm going to be leave so i don't waste another second arguing on the internet with a fucking manchild on what is now a literal vietnamese vest forum.

>>48901853
Anon, all derails are just autistic pissorgy, where two armchair specialist are tossing their bullshit at each other.

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>This entire thread
Weren't we just talking games that aren't about simplified sterotypes of non-Western cultures and civilisations?

I will try reignite the original idea, so here it goes:
Any game - stereotypical or not - about Polynesians or any variation based on them?

>>48866386
>>48875076

This

>What you're asking for is a sourcebook, not a ruleset.

Yep. A sourcebook will contain some system-based rules and stuff, but they can be changed or neglected for the greater good. They could be considered a history book with rpg perspective.