Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

>>48852475
female dreadlord when!?

>>48852536
some time between the end of MoP and beginning of Legion

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>>48852536
Tichondrius has lipstick if that's your thing.

Rev up those Shade Chants

>>48852786
I will not move
when flame wreath is cast
or the raid blows up

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>>48852475
>Not Karazhan edition
ONE JOB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHvzriHAP5E

>>48852536
It most likely can't be the case because they're two separate races, but I like the idea of Succubi being the females of the Dreadlord race.

>>48853062
But the succis killed all their males for being bitchboys.

>>48852536
Male Sayaad when!? But seriously, Blizzard said they'd include an Incubus option like, how many years ago? 7? And still nothing. Hope when they do include them, they're cute twinks.

>>48852691
run away!

>>48853044
>getting excited about warcraft
>implying BC was not the tipping point of retardation when it comes to WC lore

>>48853181
>>implying BC was not the tipping point of retardation when it comes to WC lore
Second that.

>ywn be raised as a Warlock
>ywn be a naive exemplar of goodwill and innocence, incapable of realizing the evil of the powers you wield
>ywn be completely oblivious to the advances of your summoned succubus
>ywn creep out all your friends by acting like everything you're doing is normal
>ywn bake your cookies with fel fire
>ywn have your Paladin friend tell you the cookies are actually pretty good

Why even live?

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>>48853401
You saying space goats were a mistake?

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>>48853508
I would've been fine with googling for drow instead of draenei

Can we talk about something that been on my mind?

How do elf eyebrows work?
Is there a stem, be it cartilage or whatever, that the hair grows off of? Or are they very diligent about waxing their 11 inch hairs at regular intervals?

>>48853605
And i guess the entirety of Outland should be a red rock

>>48853508
Draenei butt is best butt

>>48853691
Are you implying that they couldn't have made the outland of tbc without your goatwaifus?

>>48854277
Are you implying that a race can survive a planet getting ripped apart and thrown between dimensions without changes? You act like lost ones got retconned out of existence

>>48854383
They effectively did.

"oh yeah those ones exist but they're not REAL draenei. Focus on these shitty space demon goats."

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>>48854407
This is what a retcon looks like, i guess

>>48853605
>>48854437
fuck Akama anyway. I can't wait to torture his ass in Legion, based Kayn

>>48854383
It's very hard for you to speak straight and answer questions.

No I am not implying that or even commenting on that.
It is a retcon though, which Metzen admitted to. That is not up for debate. Draenei as a seperate race outside the Eredar got retconned out because of Metzens poor coked up memory.
He apologized for the self admitted retcon, but it was too late too change.

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>>48854519
In the end it still fucking fits, so what the fuck is the issue

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>>48854636
Sargeras was good and became evil because he was corrupted by the eredar, the eredar were good and became evil because they were corrupted by sargeras?
Fuck you.
I want some fucking consistency in my fiction. If they just break their own shit just because in the moment they think something is cool then it becomes impossible to take it even slightly serious.

Here, at least you got some pandering for your dick.

>>48854761
too big

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>>48853605
I don't like original Draenei, but I wish they went for the "broken" design for standard draenei.

>>48855900
I like how the pure Draenei look (aside from the men being refrigerators), but I actually would probably agree that I'd prefer Broken be the standard. They look more unique.

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>>48855941
I still think Broken should be a body type choice players can make. Except Draenei shamans. All of them must be Broken.

>>48855941
What would the females be like then?

>>48856078
Like they do now...but mind broken

>>48855998
And except Paladin, Broken can't be paladin.

>>48855941
Actually, I had a discussion about this not too long ago with my group. I want to retcon the Exodar as being a ship that escaped the opening of the portals on Draenor, but due to all the shenanigans involving being sucked into the twisting nether, it's temporally locked just over Azeroth for 20 years, where for the crew/inhabitants the ship is moving at normal speed, and they're not exposed to the radiation that would create the Broken. When the BC expansion hits, that releases the lock, sending the Exodar on to its collision course as they try and fight off the Horde saboteurs on board. The starting zone for the Draenei would change from "neato keen, it's two islands!" to "Oh fuck we have lost control of engineering, get down there and kill the Orcs, we'll try to get a controlled landing done."

Meanwhile, on Outland, *all* of the Draenei at the time of its destruction are mutated into the Broken, but due to DE LIGHT and DE NAARU, successive generations are less and less mutated after the Dark Portal is opened again.

>>48853044
>>48853044
What are the chances this will actually be new content instead of a cheap rehash like what they did to ZG and ZA?

>>48856237
Watch them remove the chess event because pugs will choke to death on it. Though honestly, I don't mind that. I hated doing that because of how much I saw groups fail.

>>48856283
they won't remove it, if they did people would flip some tables

>still playing WoW

Holy fuck you guys are pathetic.

Remember, this is coming from the nerd game board, and you guys are easily some of the most pathetic people to try and carve out a niche for yourselves here.

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>>48856327
I'm a female blood elf paladin on Mal'Ganis, come fight me not irl faggot

>>48856327
Millions of people disagree with your weak attempt at trolling.

>>48856108
Or Priest. Can't connect to Light.
But can be Warlock.

>>48856694
But wouldn't they just turn into demons?

>>48856452
There's billions of idiots out there, and plenty more who have even more embarrassing addictions.

Doesn't stop you from being the guys clinging to a game that hasn't been good for over a decade and pretending it's lore isn't some of the dumbest circular soap opera crap you can find this side of Days of Our Lives.

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Tell me about your favorite Warcraft race. Why is it your favorite?

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>>48856781
Ogres.

Strongfat, incredibly magical anyway, exploited throughout history.

They Wuz Kangs.

>>48856748
Yes.

>>48856781
one sounded like megatron

>>48856934
Isn't that kind of a bad thing?

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>>48853044
>Legion already has more shit in the pipe during its lifetime than WoD did
>And its not even out yet

kek

I'll go with Frost DK this expansion I guess. They have the only lore relevant DK artifacts since the others are literally who. I guess not all the weapons can be crafted from the remnants of frostmourne. I kinda hope our class campaign eventually involved getting Kel'Thuzad to be our homie.

>>48856935
Reshaad might have been my favourite character in WoD just for that.

>>48856781
Nerubian. I wanted to help them fight the Scourge in WotLK so much.
> Scourge nerubian as usual
> Nerubian empire loyalists, incredibly racist, bitter, hateful but desperate and somehow still the closest to "good" nerubians.
> Nerubian old gods slaves "Good news everyone! Have you heard about our lord and saviour?"
Hell, why not some forsaken-like nerubian led by a freed crypt lord.?

I'm torn between demo lock or fire mage.the problem with lock is it bothers me when I'm questing that khadgar ect are calling me a hero when I'm obviously not.

>>48856781
Trolls naturally. Over the years the game devs have reduced their lore and role in Azeroth to garbage.

Zandalar troll models actually look imposing however, as befitting of the most mystical, knowledge-keeping tribe of trollkind.

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>>48857105
I was so fucking hyped for the Azjol zone in WOTLK.

Then it was cut out. Cunts. Deepholme in cata sorta soothed the blow since it was still an underground zone.

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>>48857032
Of course not.

was going to play my mage first but now I want to play my unholy DK or my DH.

>>48857337
Go home, Gul'dank, you're drunk.

>>48857143
>Azjol being cut

Titan was so much "wow it's fucking nothing" it hurt Wrath, Cata, and WoD. That's what pisses me off more than anything.

>>48856237
From what I've heard about the new "Karazhan 5-man raid" is that it sounds alot like a rehash of the BC raid, not sure if this will be true or not but to me this is more of the "Hey guys remember when our game was good? Here have some nostalgia so we can reel you back in."

>>48857547
Yeah, Titan and all of its colossal disaster probably did a lot of damage internally. however with it being salvaged into Overwatch and finished, I hope that Legion will make WoW good again.

>>48856781
>>48857137

I too like the Warcraft trolls, best interpretation of the fantasy race imo. Loved how they looked in WC3 and how varied they were.

Shame that we will never see Dark Trolls in WoW and Forest, Frost and Sand trolls will forever be loot pinanatas.

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>>48857595
The heck is, or was, Titan? Some off shoot game Blizzard kiboshed?

>>48857643

Well Overwatch was the remnants of Titan but we will never really know for sure what it actually was. Though we do know it was supposed to be some sort of sci-fi shooter under a new brand name

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>>48857643
Titan was a game that Blizz started working on some time during WotLK Basically. Not a lot of info was known about it, but what can be discerned is it was something of an FPS mmo where players had characters in a more sci fi setting who led double lives. An ordinary day job sort of thing, and then a vigilante/superhero during other times. Basically, it sounded a lot like Destiny and probably got shitcanned because Activision was also making destiny at the time and the two games might have conflicted heavily with one another. However, Blizzard did enjoy the PVP model they had for Titan, and that eventually evolved into Overwatch, which might be using the same setting Titan would have used.

>>48857698
Rather, I should say Activision wasn't making Destiny. Bungie was, and Acti is publishing it.

>>48854761
Current lore is Sargeras decided to drink the green kool-aid due to the futility of his task. He is to forever guard the realm against a flaw that should be scrubbed clean. Hence why he wants to burn everything to the ground to prevent everything being burned to the ground

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>>48857698
Now I know.

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>>48857137
>>48857630
This is my choice as well. Of the races that WoW has given its own unique spin on, Trolls are pretty fucking rad from their aztec aesthtics, multiple empires, and being one of the original Azerothian races.

>>48857777
If you don't mind FUCKING GAMESTOP they did a good video series on what Titan could have been and its relation to overwatch.

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/the-story-of-overwatch-the-fall-of-titan/2300-6431806/

>>48857698
>>48857735
But Destiny sucks donkey cock for the sole reason of being a fucking online console FPS

Alliance gets High elves.

Horde getEredar

Deal?

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>>48857837
Yes, and?

Do I sound like I am defending or supporting Destiny? No. I am only mentioning why Titan might have been cancelled due to it.

>>48857056
Paladins have it worse. They get Ashbringer, and then "Do you guys remember Tyr? Like the town?"x2

>>48857846
Warlocks and demon hunters are already chilling with their own mini-Legion, though. I assume the amount of high elves left in comparison to blood elves is rather on the low side, and the horde side belves would probably jump on the demon cock due to how addictive it is

>>48857337
Is Gul'dan the smuggest of them all?

>>48853140
>tfw no one wants to talk about incubi and the lack thereof

>>48857630
The various troll tribes games in WC3 were my favorites alongside Parasite. Especially Island Troll Tribes, which I ended up using as my character's background for my shaman. If I get into a tabletop running Warcraft, I'll try to roll a witch doctor with the same background.

>>48857926
I wonder if Warlocks and Demon Hunters would be friends in the lore.

>>48858915
Probably not.

Different ideologies.

>>48857926
Eh, population stats don't work in WoW anyway. Realistically speaking the Blood Elves should be on the lower end of overall Horde population, but if you look at player stats you will see that they are the largest faction by quite a huge margin.

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So guys I have a new headcannon regarding Nathanos and his look. Im thinking that he is the Dark Lady's first death Knight. Created similarly to Gen 1 dk. Wielding a rune-bow.

>>48859043
He's actually a Dark Ranger which is what sylvanas is. Esentially he's a necromantic ranger.

I hate how Blizzard gave him the shitty human model and now we're probably stuck with the WindrunnerXHuman Male bullshit like the other two sisters.

Is he a hunter class hall NPC or something, or just a big name due to all the dindu Sylvanas' up to in Legion? Got to be some reason they decided to update his model.

>>48859459
He's involved in the ongoing alliance vs horde story

>>48859459
Don't think he's part of the Hunter hall but he does play a large part in Stormheims story.

>>48859531
>>48859534
So Sylvanas dindu, got it.

Is Blizzard trying to sweep Pandarens under the rug? How come there were no Pandas in either faction during the Broken Isles assault? They hardy featured in WoD either except for Garrison followers and guards.

>>48859718
All of the big name Panda characters stayed in Pandaria. It seems Blizzard lacked the foresight to create characters to rub elbows with faction leaders in the long run.

>>48859718
Aysa was at the funeral stuff for Varian.

>>48857056
>tfw you can summon Ner'zhul & Arthas' ghosts with those weapons

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>>48856781
Gee, I wonder.
>inb4 furry
I just love the fact that the Alliance has finally a race that looks fierce and actually dangerous.
Based Genn and Jaina will have their vengeance.

>>48857896
Man fuck you, I play Warrior protection.

>Hey guys, here are your weapon. It would have been relevant 2 EXPANSIONS AGO

FFS Blizzard.

>>48857846
So we just swap races from BC. Yay.

>>48859718
I'm okay with them disapearing altogether. MoP was the expansion I liked the least. Hell, at Varian's funeral, I genuinely needed a few seconds thinking "Who the fuck are you?" Before remembering there were still pandas lost behind a bigass wall next to a pond where no one goes anymore in stormwind.

>>48860968
I go there. It's easy to get to invasions using the cata portals

>>48860997
Oooh haven't thought of that.

>>48861050
Hyjal portal to Azshara
Twilight highlands to Hillsbrad
Uldum to Tanaris
And westfall is right next to Stormwind so no need for that.
The only one that remains semi annoying to get to is barrens.

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Your main is now a female blood elf.

What happens RP-wise?

>>48861796
My men go from a rugged gritty massive wolf commander to an eye candy commander.

>>48861806

Well at least a belf squealing "For the Horde/Alliance" is adorable.

Now this is more gameplay relatew, but what are your opinions on PvP in Legion? The fact that gear almost doesn't matter anymore?

As someone who's been playing since Vanilla but never could get into PvP it's a gift from gof but I can understand that some people feel like their hardwork has been taken from them.

Opinions?

>>48862030
what did they do now?

>>48862048
Basically everyone is given set stats, with gear influencing it very little. You only gain a 0.1 buff, up to 10%, for each ilevel above 700 IIRC.

This way everyone is fairly equal and you have an actual chance in battlegrounds if you haven't played PvP for years, instead of being kneefucked at terminal velocity by a passing warrior.

For me it's great, it means that I can actually play PvP, which is something I always wanted but never could get around because it requires such an investment.

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Can Kalecgos and Jaina repopulate the Blue Flight with half-dragons?

>>48859319

What should a Windrunner be paired with?

>>48862085

Their relationship has never been shown in game-canon so probably not. Even Legion had Jaina still lust after Varian

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>>48861806

It's a trade up.

>>48862139

But Varian is kill and Kalecgos is not.

>>48859753
And punched felguards in the face. Alongside Moira.

It's nice to see all the characters that are usually sitting back actually DO SHIT in the pre-patch, with most of them not having to shit over or overshadow players to do it.

Fighting demons in Kharanos next to Muradin is great.

>>48854761
>I want some fucking consistency in my fiction.
Blizzard has literally never cared.

>>48861796
Pretty much nothing, since my main is a female human mage that wears concealing robes. She's even twiggier than before, but no one notices because she's a living artillery piece.

Her draenei friend find take a little while to adjust, maybe, but that's about it. She adapted to my mine occasionally poofing into an arakkoa for a few minutes at a time without much trouble.

>>48854761
>Sargeras was a random mook who did nothing special except teach Kil'jaeden and then die somewhere Gul'dan could reach
>now he's the corrupted titan god of all evil
reeeeee

>>48862736
>titan god
Kind of a redundant statement.

>>48862030
PvP should have stopped being about gear when Blizzard started forcing PvE gains into it. Having to get 5 BG wins for the valor and reroll while wearing tier gear instead of PvP is hell

>>48862726
>Her draenei friend find take a little while to adjust, maybe, but that's about it

I prefer other races transforming into draenei honestly.

>>48862700
Noice. Does it happen during an invasion?

>>48862827
So you think it's a good thing? I like having an actual implrtance in PvP at last, rather than being a free kill than can only help by doing the small PvE quests in BG.

>>48862842
yes it's a good thing. PvP should be about skill, not "I farmed a free set of ilvl 740 gear while you raided for gear that BGs cap to 725, so I win no matter what happems"

>>48861796
My super-swol, eight foot troll loses two feet worth of height and becomes a twig. His masterwork sword that he spent upwards of a year collecting materials for, and then another two months forging, is now too heavy for him to properly lift (and due to its construction it can't be easily shaved down without losing what makes it so good).

So this kind of really sucks.

>>48861796
Time to join the futa populace

>>48863000
Ew nasty.

>>48862093
An elve??

>>48862093
Big Human dick

>>48862093
Her right hand.

No, not Nathanos. She doesn't have time for this, only for quick awkward relief behind her trone inbetween meeting.

>>48863098
>elve
Not word, retard.

>>48859319
But Sylvanas is an actual Banshee who is possessing her own corpse and moving it around like a puppet.

>>48863116
You mean big blue draenei futacock, right?

>>48863152
No, what am I, gay?

>>48863162
Are you saying a chick with a dick fucking another chick is more gay than a man fucking a chick? Are you female?

Little question, how many yeats passed since the end of FT?
I know that it was 4 years between FT and vanilla, but now? Jaina lust qualify as a milf nowadays, and technically, if we RP a character that has been around since Vanilla, that makes him/her very old as well.

Why do Warriors have the worst transmog options? Not everyone wants to look like a brutal thug.

>>48863267
Roll with the Ymirjar Lord set, like a patrician. The only downside is you can get that sweet blue that Muradin has.

>>48863292
Again, brutal. Lothar was a warrior and didn't look like he was raiding and pillaging. It's definitely geared toward Horde Warriors, not Alliance. Only Paladins have the gear available to pull off a noble look.

>>48863310
Just transmog, no need to use exclusively set armor although it is true it can be annoying.

>>48863000

Got it wrong anon. If you go from draenei to belf you lose futa status. It's the other way around that involves dong-growing.

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>>48863310
Anon, your mechanic is RAGE

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>>48863367
>T3
I still don't know what the fuck happened.

Really looking forward to farming the T19 for paladin though, looks great, mix of old and new, add a silver crusade tabard to the grey and white one and that's properly gorgeous.

>>48863367
So was Varian's, and I can only assume Lothar's, but both of them managed to still look like Alliance warriors.

>>48863415
T7 is effectively updated T3 since they both come from Naxx. Can't access old Naxx no mo'

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>>48863367

The T13 isn't my style, but it looks to be the least over-designed of the set - I can imagine a group of 20 guys marching with it on as a uniform, and looking bad ass.

Still, why can't we have less clown outfits? Why not something closer to the footman?

>>48863418
>>48863461
I dunno, use non-set transmogs?

>>48863471
There isn't much wiggle room, as a lot of colours clash. Most warrior armour is built around the idea of being a savage viking. If some of the transmog restrictions were lifted, such as class, then there would be a lot more options.

>>48863461
you know you can literally get footman armor from your garrison right

>>48863461
I'm pretty sure that's an actualthing you can do. The dwarven bunker for you garrsion I believe sells cosmetic utems that look pretty close to normal footman.

>>48863490
>Most warrior armour is built around the idea of being a savage viking
Your class hall is freaking valhalla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMsCdc3OBG8

>>48863461
Where is that footman from? A different game?

>>48863501
Honestly I'm cool with it.

I was so disappointed when the item that said "TRANSFORM INTO A VRYKUL BRUV!" was just me getting bigger with a silly helmet. If I can get an object that actuallu turns me into a Vrykul that'd be dope.

>>48863501
Which I'm FINE with, I just want more options than looking like a viking or a big ball of spikes.

>>48863544
Then go farm a non teir pally set.

>>48863569
He can get the purple judgment one in Outland. I know I did with my warrior.

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>>48863471

Literally the Stormwind set, though for some reason the only cape that has the proper texture is the Crazy Centurion Cloak. What's more pressing is the fact that they never added a Grunt helmet into the game!

>>48863596
Imperial plate set, crafted by any blacksmith has that helm

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>>48863596

Or, if teal is more your taste, there exists a Kul Tiras/Theramore variant as well.

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>>48863415
Yeah but T7 fucks up the colors. OG Dreadnaught is perfection.

>>48863193
According to the the most recent timeline (Ultimate Visual Guide's) by the time of the start of WoD, it's been 31 years since the Dark Portal first opened.

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>>48863618

I was referring to the Orc Grunt: in the games, Grunts had signature horned helmets that for some strange reason Blizzard never added to the game.

>>48863641
I'm at least glad they kept the best colors for the people who (most likely) raided OG Naxx when it was the hardest in the game. Like how you can only transmog the original WoW pvp gear is if you had the title required to wear it in Vanilla. One last realm of exclusivity for the hardcore [layers.

>>48863674
I always hated these helmets actually.

>>48863674
Which is odd, because the WoW 2001 (or was it 2003) E3 trailer had orcs with WC3 grunt helmets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QuTl8UOF68

>>48863695

Woah, suddenly I'm reminded that WoW is almost as old as WCIII.

>>48863695
That takes me back.

The one trailer I probably watched the most about Wow was the one included in the FT disk, back when using the Internet was a costly thing that stopped the phone and needed to be switched off before paying a fortune.

>>48863731
the model Misha used in the campaign screen for the Founding of Durotar is the same bear model WoW still uses now

>>48863744
Really? Didn't they update the model for Legion? Pretty sure they did.

>>48862085
>>48862139
Even if it was in-game, I'm sure Jaina's issues with the Kirin Tor would get in the way of it.

>>48863744
WC3 was basically a WoW demo.

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>>48863681
Sucks for me since I played a warlock in Vanilla and lock T3 was fucking hideous. One of the few improved by T7.
Those fucking bug eyes had warlocks spamming the WoW forums with "T3 Warlocks walk single-file to hide their numbers" so much that, come Burning Crusade, Blizzard put in some NPCs wearing Plagueheart in Blade's Edge Mountains walking single-file.

>>48863801
>>HUHUUUHAHUUAHAHA!!.jpg

>>48863739
>back when using the Internet was a costly thing that stopped the phone

Yooo, that really takes me back.

>>48863771
I'd say that's a bit demeaning to WoW, but yeah I'm of the school that WC3 and WoW's development were simultaneous, and the lore for both was consistent with each other. And I know they had Azeroth's geography planned up to Wrath, since all the Northrend zones were in the Warcraft 3 RPG.

>>48863801
I never did any of vanilla's endgame (spent too much time RPing and exploring to get into it), but I heard Naxx warlocks were recockulous when it came to damage. Is that true?

>>48863905
Not near as ridiculous as they were at the end of TBC. And thanks to class synergy at the time, a Shadow Priest would push Destruction Warlocks above and beyond any other spec with ease. Beyond easy since, by then, the only spell rotation you needed was "Spam Shadow Bolt."

Still, all of the T3 sets were a huge boost to damage for all classes at the end of Vanilla. I didn't replace my Naxx gear until I hit 70.
I'm just sad that I never got to do enough classic Naxx to get Atiesh. I pushed my guild through there, but never got more than a few bosses down with them.

>>48863975
>mfw looking at former vanilla features like elemental resistances, costly mounts etc

I mean don't get me wrong, the nostalgia is strong with this one, Wow is by far the game I poured the most hours in, but some things are better now. 40 people raid were a nightmare. Which makes me laugh when I see the Destiny Honest Trailers video saying it didn't work because it's too complicated to have 6 people conecting at the same time and coordinate.

>>48863801
Actually, of all the shitfest that was the T2.5 sets, Warlock is the only cool one. Undeniably... distinctive, but I like it. ALL others 2.5 are shit.

>>48864037
>too complicated to have 6 people conecting at the same time and coordinate
The simpler the games become, the dumber the average player is

>>48864063
>Qiraji will never be relevant again
>Nerubian kingdom cut as an underground zone, turned into dungeons/tiny sub-zones

>>48864037
Well, relatively casual raiding was still possible back then. But you need an even larger pool of players, meaning more time spent to stuff enough people.
So you progressed even slower but eh.

And continuing the fight while people were dying here and there had it charm. It also allowed things boss encounters like Vaelastraz were many players are supposed to die even on a successful attempt.
> When the raid was big enough to allow shitposting on the raid class-specific channel

>>48864175
Being the last man standing as a tank is always so goddamn pumping but also so damn stressful, be it in raid or dungeons.

Seeing your health slowly whittle away while you're desperately trying to kill those last % are always a gamer boner, especially when the others encourage you.

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>>48864037
Elemental resistances added a feel of immersion. If you're going to go fight the big monster made of fire, why not protect yourself from fire?
>costly mounts
Yes, back then, mounts weren't purely cosmetic like they are now. The mount you had determined your speed.
Of course, the "free" class mounts were the best because there was a significant sense of accomplishment for getting them. Unlike now where you just ding and it falls into your spellbook. Seriously. Fuck that baby shit.

>>48864175
>Well, relatively casual raiding was still possible back then. But you need an even larger pool of players, meaning more time spent to stuff enough people.
So you progressed even slower but eh.
This is very true for me. My guild would have 40 people on for the raid and at least 20 waiting in the wings. We eventually started running two raid groups a week. Was stressful for poor Bill, who ran the spreadsheet of our DKP system, but we got through.
>boss encounters like Vaelastraz were many players are supposed to die even on a successful attempt.
I remember doing 47 attempts on that asshole before getting him down.
I can do that run from Thorium Point in my sleep still.

>>48864063
Yeah, I did like the Warlock Qiraji set. But Nemesis will always be my favorite.

>>48864255
>tank for a pug of normal HFC
>entire group except me wipes in the air phase of Iron Reaver
>solo the last 5% of her health while my group cheers me on

>>48864037
>elemental resistances

I think now with transmog's current system, they could bring back resist gear without breaking people's bag space.

If they ever release a vanilla legacy server, I hope at least they keep transmog and barber shops. Debating WoD's updated character models.

>>48864255
Among my best WoW memories was finishing a good portion of General Drakkisath after the tank was down, switching his aggro between me (as a demonist) and a hunter.
It's so good to succeed despite things going totally wrong.

>>48855343

No such thing

>>48864255
>Being the last man standing as a tank is always so goddamn pumping but also so damn stressful
The first time i tried tanking was on my DK main with frost. Then later with blood once they made it the tank spec. Frankly, i'd rather be healing

>>48864310
As someone who didn't raid in Vanilla, what made Vael so famously brutal?

>>48864255
The best part is if you manage to solo a boss. I did that a few times with Heroic Kael'thas and some boss in WoD's UBRS. It's really satisfying seeing the chat full of
>>GO!
>>DO IT!
>>KEEP GOING!
while I'm popping all of my cooldowns just to survive a little bit longer, and then finally managing to land the killing blow.

>>48864310
>We eventually started running two raid groups a week.
Our raid was a coalition of small guilds that weren't big enough to gather 40 people and we end up doing the same. Hell, we even thought about doing more and more raid groups. Raid for everyone!
If I remember well, we reached up until the AQ emperors. Well we did tried Naxxramas by curiosity but we didn't down any boss. I remember keeping a quest (killing trashmobs) up until new Naxxramas and finishing it then.

>>48864310
>I can do that run from Thorium Point in my sleep still.
To be fair, Blackrock mountain had pretty much all the instances that mattered for much of Vanilla (also one of the furthest place of the game to Ogrimmar in time btw, thanks blizzard). Hence the bed of player skulls all over the place (at least on pvp servers).

>>48863367
>tier 6
>tier 8
>tier 10
>tier 12

The only good choices.

>>48862030

I'm not buying it for a minute. I'm pessimistically expecting it to be alright for maybe the first month while everyone's leveling and gearing up, then there will be some gap, as always. Pvp talents are just a different way of masking it.

>>48864389
He was specifically designed to be a gear check DPS race when those didn't exist then. Most Vanilla bosses could be slogged down over a long time with good healing.
He was the first to really say, "Fuck you, get better DPS."
And his special ability of turning a random raid member into a bomb really could turn the tide for or against you. You had 10 or 15 seconds to extreme haste with unlimited resources(mana/rage/energy) to attack him, but when that was up, you died. Unless you were a Paladin who bubbled.
But that would mean your best DPS player could get it first and with that person knocked out, the rest of the fight suffers. Or you could get all your healers targeted in a row, meaning you won't have enough to keep the tanks up.
Oh, and the fact that when you die from his ability, you explode. So if you didn't move away from the raid, you'd take a few other players with you.

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>>48864449
Yeah basically this.

>>48864478
>also one of the furthest place of the game to Ogrimmar in time btw, thanks blizzard
Haha. I played Alliance, so it was only a hop, skip and a jump away from Ironforge.
That still didn't mean I didn't have to pack 60 fucking Soul Shards to summon all the lazy fucks who didn't want to make the short journey.
And then resummon the fucking idiot of a tank who forgot to repair.

>>48864553
>Unless you were a Paladin who bubbled
>Back when classes were actually different

From time to time I find some very old vanilla guides magazines, ones with different tactics, because you didn't have a paladin or a shaman, or you needed to use your racial like the Stoneform.

>>48864389
Well, it's not only a gear check, but it had a debuff that will inevitably result in the tank death. So you need a reserve tank to take its place. Kind of like a tank switch debuff, except it never go away.
Then that new tank will inevitably die, and the following one will too and maybe another one.
He basically kills a tank every 45 seconds no matter what you do.

Meanwhile he sometime gives a buff to a random player that will boost its damages considerably until he explode with no survival chance. So the target had to isolate himself and make the best of its remaining time on Azeroth.

Naturally, as all dragons, he cleaves, breath fire and his tail project players. He also do fire nova, which require some fire resistance,

>>48864553
>Essence of the Red — The blessing of Alexstrasza is applied to all allies nearby. Restores 500 Mana per second. Restores 50 Energy per second. Generates 20 Rage per second. Generates 20 Runic Power per second. Instant, cast at start of encounter. 3 minute duration

That seems pretty cool, then I read the following
> Burning Adrenaline — Damage done increased by 100%. Spells cast are all instant. Reduces max health by 5% every second. Deals 4376 to 5624 damage to surrounding allies on death. Instant. Cast every 15 seconds on a mana-user. Every third cast on the current tank instead.

Holy shit that is insane. So ideally, you'd have to down Vael within 3 minutes, which by then at least 12 of your raid members are dead, with 4 of them being tanks? That sounds terrifying, but rad as hell.

>>48864645
Good times.

I once charged into a Raid Boss with my DPS spec, realising it halfway through the charge, and obviously making the wole raid wipe.

They forgave me, because apparently my terrified scream was hilarious.

>>48864682
I played a Dorf Paladin tank from TBC onwards. Holy fuck, Stoneform saved my ass more times than I can count. It was a glorious anti-Rogue and Death Knight racial.
>Oh what's that? You like diseases and poisons? lol. Immune.
>Oh? You want to re-apply when that's done? lol. Cleanse.

The big thing was that you NEEDED a Dwarf Priest for Fear Ward if you were Alliance doing fights like Onyxia. Horde Shamans could just drop a Grounding Totem.

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>>48864557
DPS can be fun at times, especially Arms, but Protection is what I signed up for back during BC and it's still the best. Being the guy to hold the line against all odds. Takes me back when the guild's paladin failed to tank Nightbane and I stepped up, tanking it on the first try. From then on I was their main tank warrior.

>>48864682
>>Unless you were a Paladin who bubbled
Damn, another thing we didn't have in the Horde. Paladins seemed so much better than chamans for raid at the time. Well, they had to put their 10 minutes buffs manually, served them right!

>>48864749
>tfw shamans didn't get bloodlust until after the classes were evened out
H-Horde bias

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>>48864742
>Protection Warrior

My man.

>>48864749
Paladins were a better support class, but had no viable DPS or tank spec, but still needed some one to to spec into Prot for Blessing of Kings.
Shamans could actually do damage back then.
Of course, Blessings only lasted 5 minutes and had no mass cast option. So they had to cast it on people AS the boss was being pulled. Then recast it on the important players during the fight.

>>48864449
>tfw you finish off Ragnaros as your guilds first vanilla molten core raid

It was memorable, but god damn do I NOT miss vanillas anal cavity demolishing grinding and lack of pace.

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>>48864255
I knew a similar feel just yesterday
>outlawing it up
>lfr Mannoroth
>empowered shadowforce kills LITERALLY EVERYONE but me thanks to based hook
>2% health
>pic related
>riposte, feint, cloak, vial, roll dem bones, saber slash, pistol shot, run through, mark for death, run through, cannonball barrage
>Manny dies
>I die

It was a good death

>>48864725
> That time when the main tank suddenly die.
> "Your cloak goddammit!"
Don't forget you cloak in BWL.

>>48864846
>Those abilities
So combat rogue is literally a pirate now?

>>48864863
Yes, and it fucking rocks.

>>48864863
Yep. It's a lot of fun. Damn shame there's little to transmog with to look like a pirate. Here's hoping there are longcoats like Genn's released at some point.

>>48864175
>Dat green text
I did not ask for the nostalgia hit.

>>48864863
Fuck yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMhfbLRoGEw
>>48864876
I always despised rogues, but Outlaw is a whole lot of fun.

>>48864831
Well, I may not have been clear, I said paladin "seemed" better. Back then I didn't realise what it meant to not have some chaman totems. Though they only affected their chaman group and not the raid, meaning you had to think the groups composition of the raid, dispatching your chamans in the groups that mattered the most.

>>48864863
The artefact weapon is litteraly a pirate sword found by pirates.

>>48864682
Stoneform made several hard encounters a joke for allies.

>>48864901
> "Hey, the warrior chan is discussing tanking assignments and boring stuff, what's going on on the warlock chan?"
> "Well, we're preparing a boys band macro."

>>48864969
How come we can't make skeleton crews with it?

>>48864971
Will of the forsaken was often useful, but rarely as decisive in pve.

>>48864738
Grounding totems were very unreliable.
Raiding as horde was praying to rng Jesus in fear encounters.
And totems costed an arm and leg mana wise and stayed 2 minutes, no counter to show you how much time left.

>>48864779
Anyone who played both sides would tell you that vanilla was so alliance biased it wasn't even worth any sarcasm.

>>48865002
Sums up the shaman chan back then with my group.

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>>48864863
yes, outlaw = pirates, subtlety = ninjas. it's the set up for an outdated internet meme.

>>48865032
Aye it was good for pvp.

>>48865103
What are assassins in that war?

>>48864863
I have been playing combat rogue since vanilla so I was really disappointed at first, that lasted until I actually played

>them swishing cutlass sounds
>them pistols and cannon
>dat hook

I transmogged both my weapons to cutlasses and never looked back

>>48865137
Assassins are kinda weird IMO, they get poisons and bleeds so kinda like a "you are already dead" deal

>>48865078
> Yfw all you had was huts and shitty fences that never really close anything.
> When the other had cool buildings with props and all.
> Except if you were a forsaken, then you had the same things as the humans, but shittier.
As a horde player, you really felt like a hobo even in your town. Then the metal nation attacked.

>>48865205
>implying WoD wasn't Alliance biased

Have you even seen the Horde garrison? I don't regret abandoning that side after TBC.

>>48865205
People dislike Iron Orgrimmar but I fucking love it. Finally it's looking like an actual city for a warlike people.

No more getting on the roof of the hut where the warchief is now though, I still don't know why everyone went there, but I went there as well.

>>48865205
Undercity > everything else

>>48865249
I'm imply nothing actually, I stopped in late cataclysm.
So no, I haven't seen the Horde garrison.

>>48865263
I'm not sure about Iron Ogrimmar. I does look an actual city for sure, but it sometime looked like they overdid it and I liked some of the wood structures. Overall, it was an upgrade though.

>>48865292
A shame they didn't do any real Lordaeron city subzone though. But the nicebomination guards are the coolest guards.

>>48865351
Lordaeron's the place above Undercity, though. I guess you mean why is Lordaeron itself not used?

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>>48865320

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>>48865444
and for comparison

>>48865444
>>48865466
Superior human abilities against filthy orc engineering. I don't see anything wrong with that.

>>48865444
>>48865466
Honestly I didn't have an issue with the horde one, mostly because snowy landscapes make me feel comfy AF

Plus everything is closer, I have to mount up to pick up all my work orders in the alliance one

They both have their ups and downs really

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>>48856781
Forsaken all the way.

Trolls are a close second though.

>DK are now under the LK orders, otherwise he'll throw the scourge out of Northrend again

I like that implication. That means he can have agents in both factions if shit goes wrong or if he goes haywire and try to purge all life and stuff.

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>>48865444
>>48865466
Why can't i use forsaken architecture

>>48865526

Mark my words, Bolvar Fordragon is going to ride out of ICC with the might of the scourge and deus ex machina the Alliance and Horde at the end of Legion.

>>48865444
My only problem with the Horde garrison is that I have to stick with Orc architecture. I'm a prissy blood elf, I want mystical spires, not mud huts.

What non-Pandaren Alliance race has the best fist weapon animations? I'm debating doing a shaman or rogue dual wielding Fist of the Deity (zul'jin's weapon).

>>48865602
>I'm a prissy blood elf
Why are you in the Horde then?

>>48865602
I think the real issue is that the interiors of all of the Horde buildings are complete crap, cramped, and have nothing beyond basic utility.

Alliance town hall has a fucking war-room with enough seats for a raid to sit down and go over plans in.

>>48865640
Because Jaina went full Garithos.

Never go full Garithos.

>>48865591
I'm okay with that. Flame LK rather than Ice is cool as fuck.

>>48856781
>can't decide between Trolls, Tauren, Mogu, and Saurok

help

>>48865602
Don't have the time or resources for that, Nancy.

>>48865640
I'd wanted to be a blood elf ever since the The Frozen Throne campaign, since it was my favorite.

I pretty much had a heart attack when I first saw this back in 2005.

>>48865699
Woops, forgot link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJT87Tw2lI

>>48865387
I mean that the fallen capital of Lordaeron deserved an urban area from the get go.
In vanilla, you just had the entrance and the throne room (pretty cool though). Basically what you saw in the warcraft 3 cinematic.
With cataclysm they add a little more, but it was pretty much empty or am I forgetting something?

Imagine how cool it would have been to get a Stratholme-like area for low level quests?

>>48865625
I like the nelf ones, but pretty much every unarmed animation is blown out of the water by female forsaken.

>>48865444
>>48865466
>Can't have architecture of your specific race

Garrisons could have been so cool...

>>48865727
Come to think of it, why did the Forsaken choose to live in Lordaeron's sewers and not the city proper, anyway?

>>48865993
Before WoD came out I thought that was how it would work, was severely disappointed to have to deal with orc architecture, at least eventually you can get racial guards and standards

>>48866059
>tfw we'll never have the Forsaken pretend at being Lordaeron 2.0 with an undead populace
>tfw we'll always have Scourge 2.0 living in an underground spookytown

>>48856781
Trolls, easily

>>48866059
The best reason I can think of is defense. The Undercity has one normal entrance, the sewers, which can be chokeholded and blocked off rather easily. The elevators would be deathtraps for anyone trying to enter the city, and the usual siege tactic of starve the enemy doesn't really work on the dead. It also meant they could expand without others seeing it from above, and there might have been some national pride leftover that made the idea of messing with the layout of the city wrong to some of the forsaken.

>>48866168
I assume majority of the denizens actually lived in Lordaeron, so it's their home

>>48866059
I thought I remembered a bit of throwaway fluff from Vanilla that the upper portions of the capital city were still swarming with proper Scourge and so Sylvanas and her cadre were forced underground.

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>>48866059
Shame. As the agents of its demise, the former citizens of Lordaeron feel they are not worthy of resuming life in their old abodes. That which is lost can not be regained. The Forsaken are not the Kingdom of Lordaeron: they are its eternal ashes, rustling eternally beneath the bowels of the capital of their former glory.

Actually it's because Blizz thought zombies living underground with green acid sewers would be cool. Which they are, but there wasn't any thought put into trying to justify it. That's up to us autists to post-facto justify it.

>>48866686
It was also made when the Forsaken were the ragged underdog faction. Where they were so terrified of their living human counterparts, the elf who fought two wars against the Orcs led them to join those Orcs to save themselves from the rest of the Human alliance.
Now the Forsaken are the miserable Mary Sue faction where nothing permanently bad ever happens to them.

How would you have done Warcraft from Cataclysm onwards if you were in charge instead of the dumbass?

>>48866858
Remove male draenei, give the remainder big blue cocks

>>48866059
Arthas was gonna use Undercity as his base before he got called back. So the Forsaken took it over.

>>48866736
Putress for president

>>48867278
I prefer Tomaru myself.

>>48867278
At least Putress is honest about being a murderous psychopath.

>>48866858
Remove cataclysm, do pandaria because it was legitimately interesting, remove warlords, and legion is pretty greatso far so keep

Replace cataclysm with a timeskip, characters go through a slightly remastered azeroth, then get to outland, then northrend and then they come back to a world that has changed greatly in the 20 levels they were away, with the cataclysm factional movements and with the twilight's hammer gaining strength, but no deathwing breaking the world nonsense, so basically a pre-80 azeroth and a post-80 azeroth
Then have a proper 10 level expansion going through a world that has changed a lot in their absence and preventing the hour of twilight

Then off to pandaria, events happen as they did there, except Garrosh remains a redeemable character

Pre-legion event consists of chasing a morally torn garrosh who honestly believes he can set things right and a crazed kairoz that wants to help through azeroth, culminating in a scene before the dark portal where an emotional Garrosh convinces the players along with Varian, Tharan-zu and Vol'jin to give him "one last chance... to set things right for all our peoples"

However as he goes to enter the portal kairoz fucks up and gets torn apart by felfire. Demons start pouring out of the portal until it is destroyed by the combined horde and alliance

Then broken shore happens but instead of two fights it is a single one where both Varian and Vol'jin sacrifice themselves together to bring down the fel reaver, then Sylvanas is appointed by Vol'jin's spirit

Legion has a slight side-focus on the redemption of both Illidan and Garrosh

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>>48867682

I just realised most ofthese threads are basically veteranfags riding the nostalgia train. Not that it's bad, but it kinda feels like an old people's house grumbling about the good ole' days, even though the modern stuff has pros as well.

>>48867806
Addendum: I obviously am one of those old geezer on said train as well.

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>>48867806
Are you implying there's something wrong with that?

>>48867806
Any franchise with as long a history as WoW will have people grumble about "the good ol' days"

Honestly I think the game is 10000× better than vanilla, I just wish they had kept 2 things

>Talent trees
>Class quests

>>48867853
Class quests would be nice for optional abilities and story and shit.

I have delusions of my shadow priestess learning a small-scale version of the curse of flesh.

>>48867806
I'm not a veteran wow player, but I love reading the old stories they usually post.
Makes me feel more inmersed because it reads like now-retired old adventurers in the random cosmopolitan tavern, nationalistic, meme wielding historians and veterans still in service.

>>48867806
Truth be told, I still enjoy it. Legion looks promising other than the "everyone gets and ashbringer and is class leader" stupidity. WoD had the makings of being really good though, they just botched it all after the initial train happened.

>>48867893
Yeah that's pretty much how it worked, you went on quests to learn how to pick locks as a rogue or to summon your paladin steed, it was pretty cash

>>48865292
>Undercity
>Not Thunder Bluff master race

>>48867853
I mean, you have people who think Warcraft 2 was the good ol' days and Warcraft 3 ruined the lore. And I'm pretty sure there are people out there who think Warcraft 1 had the best lore and ToD ruined it.

Though truth be told, coming as a WC2 veteran I can see why people think it and Orcs vs Humans was better. There's something refreshing about a generic and simple setting. It's like how I prefer Demon's Souls over Dark Souls setting wise. And it also helps that the DeS setting is so fucked compared to DaS or BB.

>>48867831
Well no, it's always nice to hear stories from the lads, bring's back memories.
>>48867853
>>48867938
Aye, the game is obviously better now, just need to read through the stories posted here to realise that, while we laugh of it now, we probably all cried over our keyboards throughout the years at some point.

>>48867928
Then sit down and listen laddie. Let the Gramps tell you about the times when we didn't have BGs and had to travel by foot accross half the world (because fuck having enough money to buy a mount) to battle in Hillsbrand in the most chaotic battle you can imagine.

>>48868024
I'm a third war vet myself and I think the fluff was better before

Honestly it all starred going downhill when that pansy-ass Terenas decided to treat the orcs like they were people, and now the whole of azeroth is plagued by dindus

>>48868100
Found the Gilnean.

>>48868112
he isn't wrong though. The orcs were largely invaders who had pillaged and burned throughout the eastern kingdoms.

Varian voted to let them be put in camps, and then he voted to let the horde stay in again at the end of MOP
fucking retard.

>>48866059

In the old vanilla game manual it was said that Undercity was intended to be Arthas' base of operations in the Eastern Kingdoms. When the Forsaken rebelled they took Undercity for their own capital.

>>48867928
Well lad sit down and let me tell you about the time the darkshore boat broke down

At that point in time you actually had to DISCOVER flight spots, so I had to run my happy ass to the border, sneak through the entirety of the barrens on a 2:1 ratio horde pvp server, get to ratchet and then walk through stranglethorn to get to stormwind

And stranglethorn back then was not the pansy-fest it is today, oh no, it was a veritable horde-run slaughterhouse it was, because for some reason the horde questing hub in the area was way higher level than the alliance one

Oh yeah, forsaken rogues in the goddamn trees! Killing my level 10 ass and camping my corpse for hours, by the time I got to Elwynn I was buck naked and had spent the entire day walking

Ah, the good old days

>>48868202
Mercy is the mark of a good king, and is what sets him apart from the tyrant.

Had he ordered the Orcs destroyed, how long before the Trolls were put to the sword? The Tauren?

How long before there were no more Horde left to destroy?

How long before he turned his blades upon his own? The Draenei first - they look enough like demons, don't they? Then the Worgen, the Gnomes?

>>48868232
What server was that? Sounds just like my old server.

>>48863503
it's from a fan project to update wc3 with modern graphics, I think they're using SC2 as their base

>>48868202
Not only that, but it was warcraft 3 that started the whole "muh noble savages" thing, orcs are evil and do evil shit even today, but the writers keep trying to push the "honor" story, like orcs have any

>>48868275
Don't quite remember, the account was hacked and at some point banned right before wrath dropped (I had a quiraji mount FFS) But I do remember it was one of the first to open the gates

>>48868309
I liked how orcs were in Warcraft 3, the problem is you got writers like Kosak who idolize Warcraft 2 era orcs. Saurfang is probably the best example of how post-Warcraft 3 orcs were.

>How have you managed to survive for so long, Saurfang? Not fallen victim to your own memories?
>I don't eat pork...*spits*

>>48868251
If he had ordered to slaughter the orcs or march their asses back through the portal from the beginning then the forsaken would have never come to be and the tauren would still live in peace with the night elves

The trolls would have probably still been fought against though, I mean one of the royal families in the eastern kingdoms is named trollbane after all, and trolls were and still are pretty fucking dickish, except for the darkspear

>>48868232
>Discovering flight points
>Going though Horde held territories
>Motherfucking stranglethorn

Anon, I did not need to see those nightmares again. Pretty sure every Alliance player had the same experience in Stranglethorn, and walked out of there having problems to sit down.

>>48868367
That's why I like Saurfang, he recognizes what he is

And it's the same reason why I hate Eitrigg, because he claims to have "served with honor" in the first and second war, that there is some revisionist shit and people just accept it
No motherfucker, you killed women and children over half a continent, there was no "honor" there

>>48868305
OOOOOh yeah now that you talk about it, I went back to an old article I read ages ago about that and found the links.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/waa-mod

Called Warcraft:Armies of Azeroth.

>>48868415
Stranglethorn but the final nail on my horde-hating coffin

By the time BC dropped I was decked out in PVP purples and refused to put on anything else because I wanted them to know they should be scared

>>48864901
>>48865002
>our paladin channel was mostly organising blessings
>sometimes we'd talk about doing PvP and holding points forever in AB

But then I looked at legion changes for enhancement shaman and hgoly fuck I'm pissed off. muh beautiful enhancement spec, gone forever.

>>48868473
He served with honor doesn't neccessarily mean he didn't kill children or civilans. If he served with honor then he probably means did the duty expected of him, never backing down, following orders, etc.

>>48862832
Aysa and Moira are attending Varian's funeral.

You can find Muradin riding a war goat in the Dun Morogh invasion. He also gets the best voiced lines of all the invasions.

>>48868677
Our definition of honor must be different then, because murdering innocents is dishonorable, at least to me

Idk, I've never played l5r

>>48868694
Even as an Alliance player, I find myself liking the Forsaken dude's voice best.
Can't remember his name.

>>48868764
Based Helcular, Kel'thuzad's apprentice

He deserves more screentime

>>48868694
>Not Noggenfogger
"It's not every day you get to save the... day... I gotta work on that"
"Minimally discounted noggenfogger elixirs all around!"

>>48868764
Yeah Helcular is pretty awesome
That line about "If you ever loved Hillsbrad" is pretty epic too

>>48868473
>Thrall going all emo and doesn't even attend the funeral of his sworn brother
>Saurfang elected Orc leader
Finally the Horde has come back to Azeroth, been waiting for him to take command ever since he led the Might of Kalimdor into AQ

>>48868725
The problem with Eitrigg's character is that Blood and Honor was written before the draenei retcon, and with it the mass genocide that came with it. And I don't think they've done anything else with his character. I hope they do something with him in Legion, since his BFF Tirion got dunked and drowned in mountain dew

>>48868875
If you started a horde dk the letter you get from Tirion introducing you to the Horde mentioned Eitregg and needing a good fighter in Northrend, he shows up running the outpost in Zul'Drak, ordering around Metz and some of the other npcs that were dropped at LHC with the original Naxx patch. Aside from that he's been forgotten, along with Nazgrel and Drek'Thar.

>>48868875
(Draenei) Blood and (Orc) Honor

>>48868861
That would be so much better
Orcs are evil, violent assholes, it's about time they own it
It's the only reason why I only play forsaken, goblins and trolls on the horde side, every other race is choke full of hypocrites

>>48868777
>Heroes of Azeroth, if you've ever loved Hillsbrad, whether it be now or in years past, fight on!

I actually teared up a little. Based Helcular indeed.

>>48868875
It's not just draenei though, wc1 ends with the orcs basically murdering every human south of the dwarf lands

>>48868958
It's making me very happy they've decided to push his character a bit, dude was Doomhammer's #2 and the only excuse why he was never picked as Warchief was "he's a veteran of all three wars and too old". I'm pretty sure if a guy is badass enough to have survived that long, tells his troops every time he leads the army that true Orc warriors only wish to die in the glory of battle against a hated enemy, AND wanted to have a combat to the death against Garrosh rather than execute him outright because he'd always promised to kill him, that is the kinda guy who should be leading the Horde.

>>48868958
>Tauren
>hypocrites

How?

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>>48869052
Because for a founding race of the cenarion circle and former allies of the night elves they sure do turn a blind eye to a lot of the fucked up shit the orcs and forsaken do to the land

Mind you, as far as the horde goes they are the most redeemable race, but they are guilty of knowingly allowing the land to be exploited

>>48868413
>then the forsaken would have never come to be
Really? REALLY? Come on, m8.

>>48868958
I liked the Orcs as presented in WC3. Noble savages without skimping on the savage.
I found it compelling that Thrall was trying to lead the Orcs to be better than their nature. That they had significant flaws and their arc was to better themselves, but still had to fight to stay civilized.
Now they're too much dindu nuffins, despite all the terrible things they've done.

>>48868251
>mass genocide of draenei and worgen
This is something we aren't advocating now?

>>48869061
Talk dirty to me, Helcular. Ravage me with your army of skeltals.

>>48868415
Horde players also suffered in Stranglethorn too.
I remember going through the whole coast under water (with the underwater respiration spell demonists had for some reason) to make it to BB alive because the main road was Stalingrad.

>>48869294
Actually, yeah. Why aren't we doing this?
I trust windchime-fellating demons and backstabbing furries about as far as I can make them stop trying to convert me/sabotage the Alliance.

>>48869122
Okay technically I have to accept that.

>>48869367
Worgen are about as trustworthy as the fucking gnolls, there's zero reason for them to be accepted past "the alliance needed a monster race".

>>48869294
Mercy is for people who earn it,the horde hasn't.
Gen Greymane puts the gen in GENocide and when he is elected king of stormwind he is going to fucking rebuild the WALL in the hinterlands,retake stormgarde and make the fucking forsaken pay for it.

>>48869367
Draenei hate Orcs. Humans hate Orcs.
Both have lost a lot to rampaging Orc Hordes. Pretty simple.
Worgen haven't done any backstabbing. They just ran away behind their wall and are single-mindedly focused on reviving their land and using Horde(mostly Forsaken) blood to do it.

>>48869430
>trusting a fucking dogman to make Stormwind great again
Enjoy your waves of horde refugees

>>48867806
Frankly, I agree: modern WoW is a fair bit better than vanilla in a lot of ways. My only issue with it is that it's a bit too far on the easy side. But, at the same time, I'm glad I don't have to grind as much as I used to.

I feel like the only thing I'd really like to modify is LFG, mainly have it primarily exclusive to singular servers. Making LFG cross-realm, especially on such a large scale, really kills the community, and also encourages asshole behavior, since there's no chance of being ostracized for being a dick.

>>48869367
>>48869411
Heyyyyy Worgen never betrayed anyone in he Alliance after their inclusion. if anything they're some of its fiercest defendants now that they are in it.

>>48869252
I guess it wasn't bad but they need to choose whether they want to be peaceful shamanistic or "war and honor"

>>48869471
>Dogos are loyal
>always bark at nig- I mean orcs
>Ferociously defends territory
>Pussies run when they see attack dogs
>can smell fear and corruption
>wants to build a wall
Gen "planting stiffs all day" greymane wont let even a single disgusting horde freak anywhere near good alliance citizens,not while jaina proudmoore is secretary of defense now that she has seen the light. her dad was right it was just a phase

>>48869484
>>48869547
>W-We're super useful guys!
>M-MUH WALL
WDF out in full force it seems

>>48869587
I sure wonder what the whole Alliance did when Varian died to take revenge. Oh wait, they did jackshit, while Greymane and his buddies didn't even wait to look for vengeance.

Worgen are the fierce race the alliance needed, and it fits its role perfectly. Although I will agree that they haven't been given much spotlight in MoP and WoD, but fortunately, it seems like it's going to change.

>>48869587
Sylvanas fanboy count the days because your bodypillow is not long for this world.

>>48869484
Technically they were in the Alliance before, you may argue that leaving the Alliance the first time may be some sort of betrayal.

>>48869440
>refuse to join the alliance until Lothar drags them in at gunpoint "lol fuck foreigners, we can take anything the orcs throw at us from our safe space half a continent away"
>barely send any troops anyways
>bail at the first opportunity given because "fuck paying for camps!!!" but mostly because they hate foreigners
>build a wall to lock out the foreigners
>stay behind it and refuse to give aid to l i t e r a l l y anyone because they're salty cunts
>Greymane just stands on top of the wall jerking off onto Pyrewood while Quel'thalas and Lordaeron burn
>both kingdoms are burning because Greymane destroyed the alliance, preventing any sort of early warning about Kel'thuzad, the CotD and the plague
>that's also why Arthas got abandoned by his bonus daddy Uther and went crazy
>that's why the Scourge got a foothold on the Eastern Kingdoms, and any real army whatsoever
And Gilneans try to pretend that they aren't pigs in human clothing. That's why Sylvanas gets a free pass from me until every last whore-son bastard of Gilneas burns.

>>48869484
>Gilneans loyal
>Genn built a wall to keep his kingdom seperate after cutting off all ties to the Alliance.
>Let Lordaeron and Gilneans get slaughtered by the Scourge at his kingdoms literal doorstep

>10+years later
>Anon says Gilneas and it's citizens are loyal

No, no matter how you try to spin it Genn despised the other kingdoms of the Alliance and once any and all threat to his kingdom was eliminated he got out of dodge.

He's the Alliance's fair weather ally where he will only team up with someone when he's threatened.

New thread

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>>48868764
>>48868777
>>48868811
Helcular is tied for second with Saurfang for me. I like that one line he has about the only demons being allowed in Tarren Mill are under his command, because it's nice to see a warlock kicking Legion ass.

Really, the invasions are great. I've done so many that the fights are getting dull, but it's always nice to hear the voice lines and to see Horde and Alliance players working together for a good reason. Until I somehow get PvP flagged and 4+ demon hunters tackle my skinny mage ass.

>"Show 'em that we have hearts of gold! ...at least 72% pure."
It's not like I dislike the other VAs. Except Stoutmantle, in Westfall. He's the worst.

>>48869122
Not everyone's an eco-terrorist, you filthy tree dweller

>>48868024
>And I'm pretty sure there are people out there who think Warcraft 1 had the best lore
It's a bunch of random missions with not even excuse plot level lore tying them in.

>>48865656
>Never go full Garithos
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>alliance allow literal dogs to join their ranks as soldiers

>>48865656
I swear to god the only reason that guy was commander was because everyone else was dead. He's too stupid to have gotten command any other way.

>>48868309
I played WC3 again recently and the feeling I got from the orcs was they are assholes but they are trying not to be.

>>48872513
Or old Lordaeron had a method of command just like history where rich brats could have command positions bought for them by their parents.