MtG Modern General

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>>48851955
Decklists:
>http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

Primers:
>http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern

TIERS ARE USAGE-BASED. A Tier 2 deck may be better than a Tier 1 deck in a specific Metagame.

first for Mardu memes

>>48851883
>If no one's playing it, it can't be good

I never said it's bad because no one is playing it.
I implied it's bad because no one is winning with it.

mardu has no beats

whats a good 2 drop in one of the bant colors
current options
wall of omens
jace vryns prodigy
(aleready using snaps)

>>48852057
You could have a 60% chance of winning every game in a 5 round event and you'd still only have a 7% chance of going 5-0 you faggot. If one guy turned up to an SCG event with an insane Mardu list that had a 70% chance to win each of 15 rounds, there's literally a 1.3% chance of him going 12-3. That's with a humongous chance of beating his opponent in every round. Without lots of people playing a deck, there's basically zero chance of it ever making results. That is unless someone popular does it.

>>48852167
GOYF
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>>48852167
goyfs a pretty good one

>>48852167
Obviously goyf. Also voice or scooze.

>>48852216
>>48852206
>>48852167
holy shit im retarded

>>48852167
Voice of resurgence
Goyf
Coiling oracle
Qasali pridemage

Spicy sideboard meddling mage

should i put eldritch evolution in this deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bant-midrangecontrol-4/

>>48852239
>Coiling oracle
No. Sakura Tribe Visionary doesn't do enough for 2 mana.

>>48852188
>If one guy turned up to an SCG event with an insane Mardu list that had a 70% chance to win each of 15 rounds, there's literally a 1.3% chance of him going 12-3.

Clearly your understanding of Magic is rivaled only by your understanding of math.

>>48852255
If you have bounce effects he's not bad. I'm just listing cards to consider

>>48852269
>0.7 chance of winning a round
>12-3 is winning 12 rounds
>0.7^12 = 0.013841287201
Did common core give you a different answer? How many apples did Jamal give Brenda?

>>48852253
Why would you? Also why are you playing 2 random Explore in that pile?

>>48852343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd7cd-K8ImQ

>>48852343
explore is actually one of the better cards
so much tempo

>>48851955
Who is this semen demon?

>>48852365
>so much tempo
ye using a turn to play a land sure sounds like tempo to me

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>>48852368
Nahiri

>>48852188
So your defense is that nobody can prove Mardu is a bad deck because nobody is playing it? So, tell me then, why is nobody playing it?

>>48852389
then playing a 4 mana planeswalker on turn 3
i just like the card, its a draw and you get an extra land

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So I've been playing legacy for the past few years but never really got into modern but I'm willing to try it now. Does goblins have any presence in modern or is there something similar to ease into? Money isn't an issue.

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>>48852322
>-5

>>48852440
Nobody is playing it because no one else is playing it, in essence. This is why it's very rare for new decks to appear in Modern and give it the appearance of a "solved" format. Even the best deck needs popularity to appear in top 8s.

>play a some thermo alchemist burn deck on xmage that is mostly standard but placed 7th at a starcity event
>opponent is playing a $1000+ dredge deck
>he asks if its a standard deck
>i tell him it could be
>he beats me
>we go to round two
>he says "you have my respect"
>I tell him "whatever nerd"
>he gets asspained and closes the match

lmao why are mtgtards so autistic

>>48852516
Now, what if instead of implying that it's bad because nobody is playing it, someone were to say nobody is playing it because it is bad?

>>48852562
There would be zero proof either way. Either is possible. What is known, however, is that Mardu is a pile of powerful cards.

>>48852555
>$1000 dredge deck
no such thing

>>48852555
>guy is friendly
>you're an asshole

Cool story?

>>48852555
>I tell him "whatever nerd"

That just makes you sound salty.

>serum visions
>rare-shifted up
>released in a supplemental set
>released in a supplemental set specifically designed for draft

They're going all-out to protect the prices for secondary vendors, even for outrageously overpriced deck filtering commons.

>>48852622
This is not relevant to the thread.

>>48852674

>format staples getting paltry reprints
>not relevant

>Ordered a playset of Eldritch Evolutions for $20 a could weeks ago
>They come in today
>One of them is randomly a prerelease foil
>It's about $17 on its own

That's pretty neat.
How have your past experiences with ordering cards online been?

>>48852582
Then why are there relevant mardu decks in legacy or modern? Are you seriously going to tell us all the teams who test brews and cards by the dozen haven't tested an optimal mardu list? It's not like it got any new toys lately.

>>48852622
WotC are on the investors and collectors side, not the players. That will literally never change.

>>48852696
Conspiracy has an unlimited print run.
You being poor and angry is not relevant to this thread.

>>48852707
>>48852707
>Then why are there relevant mardu decks in legacy or modern
there arent

>>48852707
>It's not like it got any new toys lately.
Like that matters. Bob saw no play for fucking YEARS in Jund lists for absolutely no reason, and yet now suddenly he's an automatic inclusion in any black midrange deck. Pros make it up as they go along. And I very much doubt they test everything they can think of.

>>48852719

>unlimited print run

[citation needed]

You're a perfect dupe, they can increase the rarity to protect every last dime and you'll defend it because muh draft.

>>48852777
>now suddenly he's an automatic inclusion in any black midrange deck.
No it's not. Abzan and Grixis doesn't play it. It's only played in Jund and Mardu (which pretty much doesn't exist).

>>48852759
I forgot the "no"

>>48852801
No I'll not care because bitching on this site won't change shit. I'll buy my cards and that's it. Nobody is forcing you to play this game

>>48852801
It's the same situation as the first Conspiracy was. As long as vendors are ordering boxes of Conspiracy, they'll keep printing it.

>>48852831
>Abzan
Another good example of how arbitrary the metagame is. Remember when Pod got banned and Abzan was king of the format? Remember back when Jund was unplayable (back when lists were basically the exact same lists as they are now minus Kommand and some 4 drops)? Remember when Affinity was going to get banned and now it's dropped off the radar? Like damn son Magic's metagame is dominated by hype so much it's unreal.

>>48852881
Your post makes zero sense because abzhan was king of the format until the pod ban, jund was never unplayable and affinity is still tier 1. But go ahead, take the meta by surprise and get that top 8 spot at a major with your mardu deck.

Someone post the tarfire meme deck

>>48853048
There is no Tarfire meme deck, it was literally just a Temur Delver list. Stop forcing this meme.

>>48852998
My entire point has been that without lots of people playing a deck, how good it is is largely irrelevant as to whether or not it makes a top 8 at a big event.

>>48852853

>Nobody is forcing you to play this game.

Which is a total divergence from my complaints about the ethics of artificial scarcity and inflated card prices?

I mean, nobody is forcing WOTC and the secondary vendors into price gouging.

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why does nobody play this card in modern

Is there a general consensus to how Bant plays in modern? Like Midrange, or Control etc etc?

>>48852555

>whatever nerd
>implying he's the salty one here

>>48853182
Because you are going to consistently 3 for 2/1 yourself and you can't even play it a lot of the time because it needs 3 blue cards.

>>48853080
Fuck you it's retarded. Just post it

>>48853259
Calm down lad not even [s4s] takes their memes this seriously.

>>48853103
Except there is an entire thread playing it on mtgs reporting on all their tournament matches. You should check it out and see for yourself why it's sub par.

>>48853259
Learn how to search the archive, you idiot. You'll benefit from it in the long run.

>>48853388
Yea because that will be funny for everyone here today

>>48853379
>>48853103
And they're testing every single variant of the deck too. BWr tokens, grindy midrange, nahiri shell, mentor pyromancer. It's just ends up being inferior in every single one of those archetypes, except for BWr tokens. BWr tokens is a straight upgrade to BW tokens.

>>48853379
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/528062-mardu-dega-bwr-midrange

If people are copying the OP list, I'm not surprised they're doing badly because it's fucking awful. I just went to the latest posts and they're all just retards. People running Angler with Bob, people asking about Waste Not, people only running 5 copies of Thoughtseize when there's mathematical reasons why 6 is optimal, people not running Liliana of the Veil. It's just a complete mess of poor deckbuilding.

>>48853524
Post your list

>>48853685
Land (22)
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Dragonskull Summit
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Godless Shrine
3x Marsh Flats
2x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Sacred Foundry
4x Shambling Vent
2x Swamp
1x Vault of the Archangel
Instant (15)
1x Anguished Unmaking
1x Crackling Doom
1x Dismember
2x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Lightning Helix
4x Path to Exile
Sorcery (10)
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lingering Souls
4x Thoughtseize
Creature (9)
2x Abbot of Keral Keep
4x Dark Confidant
3x Soulfire Grand Master
Planeswalker (4)
3x Liliana of the Veil
1x Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

Sideboard (15)
1x Blood Moon
1x Crackling Doom
1x Dragon's Claw
2x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Lightning Helix
1x Pithing Needle
2x Rest in Peace
4x Slaughter Games
1x Sudden Shock
1x Wear / Tear

>>48853777
i would take all the white permanents out and replace them with tier 1 green permanents
might seem better

>>48853454
Because if you can find it in the archive then you can post it yourself, you retard.

>>48853950
Sorry, I thought you guys were into dank memes

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for someone who has played on Xmage and the like but lacks a substantial physical collection, what's a good deck in the 100-150$ range that I can bring to FNM and have fun with and slowly upgrade into an actually powerful deck? I know Monored Burn is the obvious answer, but was wondering if you had any other suggestions

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>>48854004
Goblins. Living end when dredge gets banned.

That's about it really.

>>48853977
Either way, if your end goal is to get someone to post it or just to see it yourself, finding it in the archive lets you satisfy either goal. Asking for someone else to post it because you can't navigate a search bar is pathetic.

>>48853777
How are your MU's? Any reason why you would play this instead of junk or jund? But I must admit that list looks nice as long as you can protect the Bob and sgm

>>48854004

bogles with budget manabase
bw tokens

>>48854133
Weaker than Jund and Junk to combo due to slow clocks, but good against basically everything else. Affinity, Zoo, and Merfolk are complete roadkill to it. I also don't auto-lose to Bogles.

>>48853777
>Abbot of Keral Keep

Why? It's effectively anywhere from a 3 to 5 cost card and you can never play it on turn 2.

>>48852555
You're easily the worst kind of player

>>48854151
Don't suggest tokens to the guy. It's not a tiered deck and can't be upgraded into anything.

>>48854231
I'd liken it to a Bloodbraid Elf that can make land drops. I only run 2 precisely because I never want it on turn 2. Turn 3 is fine though honestly. So long as I have a fetch in my hand I'll happily take the risk since I'm most likely going to flip a land, Bolt, Path, or Thoughtseize.

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I feel physically ill looking at these modern prices. Made a little count on those few cards that I own and I could easily pay half a years worth of rent with that money. With a shitty cardboard pieces.

A FUCKING SKRED RED COST LIKE MOTHERFUCKER WHAT THE FUCK?!

>>48853777
Have you tried mentor instead of the grandmaster? If you're running a 2/2 that requires other spells to be good you might as well run one that ends games.

>>48854470
>A FUCKING SKRED RED COST LIKE MOTHERFUCKER WHAT THE FUCK?!
What are you even trying to say here

>>48854496
I always found that tapping out for him generally lost me the game. You can't under any circumstance tap out for a sorcery speed spell in Modern, because you're going to lose when you pass turn. Karn will land, you'll take 10 infect, you'd be forced to trade your Mentor into a Goblin Guide that'll just get pumped off a Command anyway while you eat 3 damage. The only 3 mana spell I'd ever tap out for in a deck like that is Lilly because she's also a removal spell.

>>48854574
>I always found that tapping out for him generally lost me the game.

From the same man who just endorsed Abbot of Keral Keep.

>>48854574
Nobody taps out for mentor though. It's a turn 4/5/6 play depending on your hand

>>48854606
But I'm a girl

>>48854645
From the same man who says he's a girl on the internet, then.

>>48854669
Fuck you got me. I'll probably end up retesting Mentor though

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is there a viable jeskai burn deck?

and would fevered visions be playable in it

>>48855911
No.
Just play Naya Burn like a normal person and only sometimes let your opponent draw lands.

If dredge has to be banned then you'll have to ban affinity too. It's just as explosive if not more so,you have to side for it and pray you get the sideboarded cards in games 2 and 3.

>>48855972
>>48855972
i have naya burn. I just think jeskai would be fun.

Daily reminder that major vendors are given prior information about new sets and that reid duke's(channel fireball) brother works in rnd.

>>48856025
the difference being that affinity has almost infinite hate cards against it while dredge has like 3

>>48856071
Shut the fuck up already

>>48852713
This is something i do not understand. The players buy packs. The vendors cut wotsy out of the secondary market

>>48856084
Bajuka bog
Tormod's crypt
Relic
Nihil spellbomb
Grafdigger's Cage
Rest in peace
Scavenging ooze
Leyline
Anger of the gods
Path to Exile

>>48856064
Think of it this way, people are perfectly willing to play Dark Confidant and pay 2/3 for a free card. The 2 damage you might deal each turn, which is not even guaranteed, is paltry for free cards. You're probably better off playing Electrolyze and you're not doing great as a burn deck if you are.

What are the rankings of various Midrange based decks? I wanna play Midrange, but cannot shell out over a grand for a Jund deck

>>48856150
Having a thriving secondary market lets them essentially gauge how much their own products are worth. If every card sells for pennies, cracking packs is meaningless, but knowing they have cards that are worth $30 they can use as a hook gets people to buy. It's the backbone of the Masters sets, and it's integral to selling precons.

noob question, but doesn't Eidolon end up hurting you a lot when playing burn? I get that it's extra damage but it seems like it would end up doing quite a bit of damage to you in some matchups

>>48856150
Please believe that workers from wotc are benefiting from the secondary market. An "insider trading" if you will.

>>48856219
i wouldnt consider path or anger of the gods specific hate cards vs dredge but i see your point

still 8 cards vs probably 30+ artifact hate cards?

>>48856150
Technically the vendors buy boxes which they then sell to players along with singles. From wotc's perspective, their only mtg income comes from stores making big purchases of cases; no player actually buys direct and if they do, it has to be in such large quantities that they might as well be a vendor.

>>48856312
Only about 10 of them are actually playable.

>>48856308
turn 2 always play eidolon if you can.

your opponent will almost always try to get rid of it immediately, basically wasting a removal spell and taking 2 damage. if they can't deal with it, it's silly.

whenever i get an eidolon out, i usually stock burn in my hand while attacking with creatures. it makes for a game where your opponent has to slowroll while you're getting incremental damage and drawing burn.

>>48856308
Yeah, but unless it's the burn mirror you don't care. You are the beatdown and if your opponents ignore your threats in order to attack you, they die; if they use removal to kill your threats, they generally take damage from the eidolon and don't add to the board.

>>48856308
>>48856401
Eidolon can really only end up a problem if you're up against Affinity, and then it's a coin toss whether it's good or not.

If your opponent goes off early and slams their entire hand down before you have it out, then they have enough speed that Eidolon will be hurting you, but if you land it before they can vomit out their hand, it turns into a huge barrier.

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Dear /tg/
I currently own a Dredge Deck (Life from the Loam/ Conflagerate version), and I'm thinking in selling it (got some people interested) since it's price "skyrocketed", and in the end, it might turn into "Nahiri 2.0 meme tier deck".
I'm thinking, with the money, building either Merfolks, Suicide Zoo or other good-tiered Deck (as long it's fun).
What are your opinions?

>>48854004
Buy chinamen fakes
Jund em out

>>48856730
G/W/b aggro is really fun and relatively affordable.

>>48856985
Since I would sell the Dredge Deck, any deck around 600-800$ should be affordable (or around 400€ (MKM's prices) in the EU).
Althought GWB aggro sounds interesting, I prefer something a bit more "popular", in case I might think of sell it in the future.

>>48852622
>Serum Visions
>rare-shifted up

First of all, it's just an uncommon, don't get your panties in a twist.

Secondly, you stated it yourself. the set is designed to be drafted. That kind of draw+filtering at common would be just stupid.

>>48857051
Suicide Zoo still seems pretty meme tier right now, probably not the best choice if you might resell IMO.

Merfolk is definitely the safe route.

>>48857184
Seconding Merfolk, very reliable purchase

>>48857051
Take a look at https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/scg-modern-open-syracuse#online

You can see the standings, price and exact decklists of the top decks from the last Open, and even look at other recent tournaments for the same. This will let you get an idea for the average price of each deck and also a feel for how popular and consistent it is.

>>48857184
>>48857356
One of the things to consider is what specific cards are expensive in the prospective decks. As they said, Merfolk can be a fairly solid purchase because the most expensive cards you're going to be buying for it are Aether Vial and Cavern of Souls, both of which are crucial for various other decks. The key cards are likely never going to fall out of favor.

For a counter example, buying something like Tron could be a bit less favorable, because many of Tron's expensive cards are only relevant to Tron.

>>48853777
You got some things that I really like as a fellow Mardu player anon. But some of your card choices just seem bad. Lose the crackling doom and dismember for terminate. Lose Sorin. Run 4 inquisitions and 2 Thoughtseize instead. Get some fulminator mage for sideboard.

>>48853777
>>48858459
Heres my Mardu Deck:

3 Planeswalkers:
3 Liliana of the veil

9 Creatures:
2 kalitas traitor of ghet
1 lavamancer
4 bobs
2 Soulfire grandmaster

25 Spells:
4 Lingering souls
4 path to exile
2 lightning helix
2 Thoughtseize
4 inquisition of koz
4 bolt
2 terminate
2 Kolaghans
1 painful truths

23 Lands:
1 blood crypt
1 godless shrine
1 Sacred Foundry
4 bloodstained mire
4 marsh flats
2 blackcleave cliffs
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Plains
4 shambling vents
1 Lavaclaw reaches
1 vault of the archangel

Sideboard:
2 rest in peace
2 Wear//Tear
1 grafdiggers cage
1 torpor orb
1 stony silence
1 painful truths
1 ghost quarter
3 fulminator mage
2 finks

Tweaked heavily for my meta

>>48858553
But why did you spoiler the entire thing?

Where would you have modern's format limit start and what additional cards would you ban to move the format away from degeneracy?

>>48859554
Start at odyssey

What ever happened to Wilted Abzan/Siege Liege? What's preventing it from being T2/T3?

>>48858553
How do you feel about the 2 Blackcleave Cliffs? Why not 4?

>>48853182

Its a singleton in my sideboard in Mono U Tron.

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I want to make a deck based on the insanity of the Eric Andre show. Translation: I want to fuck with people extremely hard. What would be the best way of going about this?

>>48860113
try the EDH thread m8

>>48860090

Deck's still fine an extremely Jund heavy meta area. I don't know how it matches up against Bant Eldrazi and Suicide Zoo seeing as they weren't prevalent when the deck started off.

Why does no one play Mono U Tron? It seems to do well against the rest of the meta, playing better draw-go than Nahiri and having bigger threats than Jund can handle

>>48860121
Good to know. Would you only run the version with Hierarch/Birds or is the manadork'less version ok too?

>>48860181
People do play it, it's got some pros and cons like most tier 2 decks.

>>48860181

It's not an easy deck to just pick up and has trouble against aggressive decks. However it has a really good matchup against control and combo decks so if your area is full of that then it's a good choice.

On another note Mono U Tron is the probably the best deck for making the most spiciest of plays. There was that time at the GP where some guy let a Liliana of the Veil tick up all the way to 6 then Mindslavered his opponent and then popped the ult and targetted his opponent and sacrificed everything of his. Also Mindslaver your opponent and then cast Epiphany at the Drownyard on their turn and make an empty pile and one pile full of cards and then take the pile full of cards.

>>48860200

I personally prefer the Birds/Hierarch because i'm looking to slam down a big beater asap. I'm honestly not a fan of the dorkless versions but you can play them if you want to play a heavy disruptive version with more hand removal, i believe some lists even run more copies of Tidehollow Sculler. Hell some people even don't want to cast stuff when you have a Noble Hierarch out because they think you're packing a Stubborn Denial or something. If you ever get bored of it or if people start playing RG Tron in abundance in your area then you can easily transition the deck into a typical Abzan mid-range deck or even Abzan CoCo.

>>48860315
Cool thanks. Im curious about the handhate version because I like the idea of T1 thoughtsieze T2 Sculler T3 Lox T4 Rhino T5 Liege but I was worried the deck would be too slow without the dorks.

On another note, DAE have the kind of autism I do where, for example, you dont want to run Hierarch in a Abzan deck because it taps for Bant mana and not Abzan? I know its a stupid reason but I get nauseous thinking about it.

>>48860255
Holy shit that is the spiciest of spicy plays. Thank you

>>48860441

It makes no difference if Noble Hierarch taps for Bant mana, what you really want it for is the fact that not only does it make mana but provides exalted and is 2/3rd's a copy of Birds of Paradise 5-8. Also it is extremely backbreaking to an opponent when you keep a hand full of some land, Hierarch, and Loxodon's and Liege's and you cast out Hierarch on your first turn and then they Thoughtseize with the only targets being Liege and Loxodon. You hit them for 5 damage on the swing on turn 2(exalted boost), this after the Thoughtseize is going to put them on 13 life, 12 if fetched, 10 if fetched for a shockland. The entire deck was designed to just purely hate on Jund and to a lesser extent the typical Abzan midrange deck at the time.

How would y'all rank the different midrange decks in modern? Abzan, RUG, BUG, Jeskai, etc etc

>>48859535
Some anons get very triggered by seeing lists. So if they spoil it it's their own damn fault.

>>48860095
It's alright but not needed. 2 is the prime number since I have plenty of othe black or red sources. My third that I might include I subbed for Lavaclaw reaches cause man lands in my meta are very useful.

>>48858553
Blackcleave Cliffs does nothing that Dragonskull Summit doesn't do better. You have 14 lands that let Summit enter untapped. It's actually worth just counting on drawing one.

Is WB tokens worth building if you are someone who is ok with only winning 1/10 games?

>>48860900
Sure.

4 Judge's familiar
4 Dryad militant
4 Noble hierarch
4 Voice or resurgence
4 Thalia 1.0
3 Qasali Pridemage
4 Loxodon smiter
4 Knight of the reliquary

4 Path to exile
3 Mana tithe

4 Windswept Heath
4 Temple Garden
2 Horizon Canopy
3 Forest
2 Plains
4 Flagstones
1 Gavony Township
1 Sejiri Steppe
1 Cavern of souls

Is this good enough for an fnm?

>>48860928

Mate if you're playing Knight of the Reliquary you can easily slot in the Coralhelm combo in that list.

>>48860948
I don't want to play a combo that requires a third color to play and for the most part fragile.

>>48860948
I'm just trying to use knight as a cheap beatstick. A smiter 5-8.

>>48860998

Alright fair enough, i'd look to throw in Nissa Voice of Zendikar somewhere in there. Also if you're going to play 4 copies of Flagstones then throw in a Ghost Quarter or two, you can always GQ your own Flagstones and grab out a Temple Garden as well as a basic.

>>48860998
Not him but it would only require a single breeding pool and a single corralhelm for dank combos.
Noble, and also Knight, give you fixing too.

not that I don't love G/W hatebears, I'm just saying that going tricolor with your list wouldn't be too difficult as you're already 95% there.

Plus you already have the Sejiri Steppe to pull off the combo

Reminder that 2 colour decks don't need fetchlands.

>>48861084
Give me a Tarn-less U/R delver manabase and I will eat my hat.

Not to mention the tech it provides, I'm okay without it, but give me a solid manabase and I will agree with you.

4 Sulfur Falls and what else?

>>48861149
Literally just run 4 Vents, 4 Falls, and a couple Cascade Bluffs.

>>48861168
But don't you need fetches for grim lavamancer?

>>48861168
....Why pay for 4falls and 4 cascade bluffs when you can just buy blue fetches with same price?

>>48861168
>cascade bluffs
Can't cast turn 1 things with it, and turn 2 you can't divy up your mana.
Would rather you said Shivan Reef.

It is useful as a one-of maybe, but I'd rather run flooded strands than more than one cascade bluff

>>48860849

>Blackcleave Cliffs does nothing that Dragonskull Summit doesn't do better

except the hands you draw two summits. When you draw two cliffs it's completely ok, when you draw double summit you're screwed.

>>48860900

wb tokens gives you access to: 1. wb manabase 2. inquisition +thoughtseize +path. As you can guess these cards come in handy in more than just one deck.

>>48860928

Where's coralheim? If you want to keep it W/G then switch knight with liege, thalia with ooze and familiar with... Dunno man, fleecemane lion is an ok card. Also add company.

>>48861084

Bogles, Grim Lavamancer powered burn, infect

>>48861661
Ooze is probably in the sideboard but RIP is a much better slot. Leige is a cool card, and Thalia is a huge pain for combo decks.
His list is fine (minus the lack of corralhelms, COMBO OR BUST my man)

>>48861661
>>48861755
Liege is in the sideboard. For graveyard hate I run 1 rip, 1 relic, 1 cage. I suppose I could make room for a second rest in peace but I really hate running multiples. The second rest in peace feels bad when drawn.
Sideboard

3 liege
1 rip
1 relic
1 cage
4 Kataki
3 kor firewalker
2 choke

>>48861819
I have to agree with the others. If you don't want to run a Bant Knightfall you really should consider Wilt-Leaf in the main. It does so much for G/W aggro and since you don't pay CoCo you lose literally nothing from it.

>>48861631
There is so much you need to invest to make junk out of tokens that you might as well straight out buy junk

>>48862439
A playset of goyfs and lilis cost more than an entire tokens deck.

>>48861819
>4 Kataki
You're already running lots of spot removal and Lingering Souls. Affinity shouldn't be that much of a problem for your mainboard.
>3 Kor Firewalker
Seems a little extreme considering Burn isn't that popular right now and Kitchen Finks arguably does a better job.

>>48862695
Thats why you buy the playset of goyfs and lilis instead of some tier 4 deck.

>>48851955
I've been brewing Clues like a madman ever since SoI came out because I loved the idea of Artifact tokens and I just knew there HAD to be a way to build at least a T2 deck exploiting them. This is the end result.

Creatures: (16)
>Thraben Inspector x4
>Arcbound Ravager x4
>Erdwal Illuminator x4
>Tireless Tracker x4

Planeswalkers: (3)
>Tezzeret, the Seeker x3

Enchantments: (7)
>Hardened Scales / Ensoul Artifact x3
>Ongoing Investigation x4

Artifacts: (2)
Krark-Clan Ironworks x2

Instants: (8)
>Confront the Unknown x4
>Path to Exile x4

Lands: (24)
Darksteel Citadel x4


I'm trying to be competitive so yeah, you may be as brutal as you wish. Card suggestions, specially regarding landbase are highly appreciated.

>>48862895
Modern
Competitive
General

>>48862895
>Didn't even put Thoughtcast in

>>48862901
>I'm trying to be competitive
Where should one go if he's trying to buil a competitive deck?, A competitive thread.

>>48862915
Affinity for artifacts was my first thought when building the deck, and I did try out Thoughtcast and Broodstar among others, but I found out I often wanted to sacrifice as many clues as possible so that I could get a quick win with Ravager + Tracker combo. Plus, Ironworks already allows me to sac clues to cast stuff or sac more clues for free draw.

Still, it could potentially be a 2-of if I cut two lands. Thanks for the suggestion anon!

>>48862848
I'm gw not that gwb jacob wilson list. I don't have access to lingering souls.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bant-midrangecontrol-4/
suggest better 3 drops
clique and geist dont count

>>48863061
Spell Queller

>>48863061
Reflector mage or just play this
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=13454&writer=Craig+Wescoe&articledate=8-17-2016

>>48863143
Reflector Mage is great in Standard, but I don't think it can work in Modern, not without some extensive build-around or a Flash Lord.

>>48863170
>flash lord

Aether vial?

>>48862895

Your deck needs some sphinx rev to be competitive.

>>48852428
>Nahiri_is_our_sun.png

>>48863211
That could work, though likely it wouldn't be enough.

Maybe try build humans / wizards tribal?, Maybe Prophet of Kruphix?

>>48863225
No memes in my deck pls.

Update on the bant midrange
won 2-1 aginst grixis shadow zoo
1st game he basicly killed himself
2nd game i kept a bad hand and didnt kill his death shadows
3rd game i had 2 paths and i snapped my explore and outtempoed him

>>48863302
If you have Ironworks down, every clue basically says "Sac this: Draw 2 cards" when you have a Rev.

>>48864103
... Actually I hadn't noticed that. Good one anon.

So I just finished Naya burn for my competitive deck, whats a good foil deck for burn that I can start working on so I can play it when I'm bored of burn.

>>48865409
>whats a good foil deck for burn

>>48862875
We don't need more jund/junk shitting up the meta. It's already stale as fucking is.

>>48865418
>In fiction, a foil is a character who contrasts with another character
in this case I'm looking for a deck that contrasts burn, which is probably gonna be control, but I'm open to suggestions.

>>48865540
Soul sisters

>>48865592
I do like the Red white soul sisters deck

Who else is gonna buy Conspiracy 2's Serum Visions and Inquisition of Kozilek, despite owning the staples already?

>>48865618
>Red white soul sisters
>Norin, the Wary in a sundress

>>48865651
I just hope visions go down to like, 2 dollars, idc what kozilek goes down to.

>>48865445
Well enjoy losing with your sub optimal midrange deck.

>>48860849
No no no. Blackcleave cliffs is great for a turn one land cause I can either inquisition, thought seize, or bolt. Dragonskull wouldnt be able to tap for anything but colourless mana until at least turn 2

For all y'all talking shit about mardu.
I think I found some rare footage of mardu beating jund.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ibbHRCvDfM

>>48865871
If i beat the meta time and time again I don't see how it is sub optimal.
I'm a little new to the modern scene too and I still manage to win g1 against decks I have never seen before.
RWB has the best removal options. Sure it could do with a goyf or two to give it a hand. For now I will settle with brimmy.

>>48853182
The problem is that there are not many spells that win you the game on the spot. When do you even plan on casting this? Sure, it can grab a Nahiri or another big walker from your opponent, but I don't see another reasonable situations where this is useful.

is there something wrong with me if I enjoy playing Burn the most?

>>48862895

Why people bother posting decks like this in competitive threads? All they need is like 1 hour on xmage to discover that their brew is shit.

>>48865912
>Dragonskull wouldnt be able to tap for anything but colourless mana until at least turn 2

Dragonskull is the Checkland. It can't tap for anything turn 1.

>>48866141
There's nothing wrong with being 12, but you really shouldn't bring it up here on 4chan, because of the whole age limit to post thing.

>>48858553
I run a similar list also tweaked for my meta. Hi it's also on a budget too. Has worked really well with 22 lands if I'm honest.

How is the match up against combo decks?
I've been eating up all aggro and burn decks. Tron is a joke.
My favourite match up is jeskai nahiri. It's nice and long game full of surprises and usually ends up going either way.

>>48866141
No. People like playing different decks.
But this is 4chan so people are going to whine and complain about everything they lose to.

>>48866221
Because 3 hours in Xmage revealed its not shit. Now I want to make it even less shit, which is why I posted it here.

>Your deck is not competitive / a variant of a T1-T2 deck!, Why do you even post it?
Because I want competitive advice, duh.

>>48866141
burn is really fun and technical, it's all about the numbers.

It just sucks because it's not really that interesting or fun

>>48866558
>burn is really fun!
>it's not really that interesting or fun.
make up your mind goddamn.

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Almost there lads, just some Loams and we're ready.

>>48866612
artificial fun

>>48866754
but Affinity is the deck that causes you to have fun of the artificial sort

So I'm getting back into mtg after a couple year hiatus, don't wanna dick around with standard anymore so thinking about just building a modern deck. I don't need anything tier 1, but I do want something that's reasonably competitive. Leaning towards slivers because I've always thought they were cool, and I already have the vials, CoCo, and land base (aside from the caverns). So I'm wondering how slivers stack up against some of the other stuff that's popular right now

>>48866932
slivers aren't really competitive m8

If I wanted to make an elves deck, I'm guessing Abzan is the color combo to go with

>>48866932
I played them for awhile. They're wildly inconsistent and frustrating. You rarely get the order you want and the lack of interaction makes it stale quickly

will CoCo go down in price noticeably when it rotates out?

>>48851986
Is eldrazi still tiero 1 after the eye ban?

>>48866554

>Because I want competitive advice, duh.

Scrap it, build jund. Here you go.

give me one reason you arent playing tarmogoyf other than the cost of the cards or dies to removal

>>48866932

It's a fringe tier 3 deck that once in a blue moon do good on some bigger tournament.

>>48867067

I'm playing dredge.

>>48866977
>>48867014
We'll that's kinda disappointing..

Any suggestions on something better I could build? Preferably using the vials and CoCo bc I love these cards and haven't used them in modern yet

>>48867067
I'm not playing midrange

>>48866977
What should I tell someone who thinks slivers is a "broken deck?"

>>48867112
You can get Merfolk or D&T if you want to use Vials.
Abzan CoCo or Elves uses Company, but you could also just throw together some value creatures in Bant or Abzan colors + a Company and call it a day.

>>48852460
Goblins is not unheard of. If money is no object then just proxy every deck in the first two tiers and pick the one you like best.

>>48867075
Return to your shithole with your ebin screencap robot.

>>48860096
Ok Steve

>>48860113
Build a deck specifically designed to beat a single deck in your metta then take the losses until you get matched with them and enjoy the salt bath.

so what would happen if mental misstep was unbanned? would it make modern healthier by encouraging mid range strategies or would it make the format worse?

>>48866667
>Gemstone Mine
>City of Brass

What for?

>>48868060
The original Dredge variant that was smashing MODO dailies was 4c and ran Thought Scour, but I think they've since shifted away and become almost entirely Jund. I don't really feel the need to change it because this manabase gives me slightly longer to stabilize against Burn and is slightly more explosive meaning less time for the opponent to top deck RiP.

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>>48867882
Would make the format much worse. Every single deck would run four of them. That said, a card like this would help to make midrange decks more viable in modern as it ensures they have a way to answer aggro decks.

>>48867067
It isn't an Artifact.

>>48866264
Oh then that's even worse.

>>48866334
Combo decks are 50/50 for me. If I can get into their hand and make them discard their pieces I'm laughing. However if they have an instant speed combo like grislebrand I'm pretty fucked.

If I like midrange decks, but do not feel like shelling out a two months worth of rent on a Jund deck, what is my best bet of a midrange deck to play?

>>48868598

mardu

I'm building Abzan Company and would like to get the sideboard right, about 25% of the meta where I play is merfolk, should I be dedicating any sideboard hate against them in particular?

>>48869550

Choke and Ghost Quarter. Ghost Quarter is mostly there for you to hit your own lands being targetted by Spreading Seas and to hit their Mutavaults.

>>48868598
Well mardu is shelling out one and a half month worth of rent and still ending up with a sub par deck.

>>48870094
Choke isn't that good vs merfolk, they have vials and a plethora of non-island lands.

Hoogy has tried Ghostly prisons in the sb as a meta call, which can do a lot of work vs dredge and fish.

Anger of the gods and Wrath of god are also very good in this meta, although wrath is a bit slow and probably not what a company deck wants to do anyways.

Fog is also a great metacall, and seeing as how you're also in white colors you can run really good fog variants.

mono black devotion is actually pretty fun, more people should play it

>>48870492

Choke isn't a hard shutdown against Merfolk and on that I agree but Abzan CoCo is a deck that can slam it down turn 2 on the play and that can be the time you need to slow them down and assemble your board/combo. They may have Vial sure but sometimes they don't, Vial is only 4 cards out of 60 in the deck as opposed to Islands being 8-10 cards out of 60 in the deck and just because they have Vial doesn't make playing Choke any less of a bad option considering his meta is 25% Merfolk.

>>48867287
Tell them to fuck off

Alt: Beat the fuck out of them with an actual good deck

Alt2: If they beat you to pieces, git gud

>>48870654
True enough.

I really like Ghostly Prison and how it plays out though, especially against other decks.

A turn 2 Ghostly slows them down significantly, additional ones stack, and it really hurts dredge. Can slow down zooicide and maybe even bant eldrazi too.

Engineered Explosives is a nice wrath effect that I forgot about, quite expensive but it is really versatile in what it does.

>>48870190
Mardu isn't bad by any means but it's no Jund. I'm saying this are a mardufag. We lack a beatstick like goyf and have to do a but more thinking with our removal since we lack abrupt decay and boardwipes like malestrom pulse. Green is stronk but white is a fun little utility colour that I enjoy.

>>48870735

Actually come to think about it, Ghostly Prison isn't a bad idea either. As for Engineered Explosives, well good luck if that guy can find it. It's expensive and I can't any copies of it anywhere around here locally.

>>48870927
Mardu and Sultai both suffer from the sad fact that they are by no means bad decks. But merely not as good as Jund. Mardu lacks the offensive threat Green/Goyf brings. While Sultai lacks the efficient spells like Terminate, and Bolt for removal and sideboard options. Losing battle for both decks

>>48870927
Deflecting palm on zooicide is wonderful work

>>48870655
They played against it and got destroyed by it and because of this, they think it is a good deck.

>>48867108
But goyf belongs in dredge

>>48871578

Deflecting Palm is a card that doesn't get any respect. It's the one card that's always in the back of my mind when i'm up against Burn when playing Elves.

This is mostly because I myself used a line when playing Burn myself against Elves by using Boros Charm on a super pumped up Elf from Ezuri giving it Double Strike and then played Deflecting Palm on it. Since the first strike combat damage applied first the damage is redirected and it was enough to give me the win before any of the rest of the Elves hit. So I guess I next levelled myself so hard i've given myself PTSD.

>>48871638
Post tarfire deck!!!!!!

>>48871780
Woah. That is cheeky. Can you give a creature....double...double strike?

If you're running Mardu you need to have dp in there. Soemtimes just one cast on a 3/3 is enough to win the game. It also buys us another turn without having to block.

>>48872167
>Can you give a creature....double...double strike?
Furnace of Rath?

what do I cut from my sideboard in infect for a spell pierce?

2 defense grid
2 kitchen finks
3 natures claim
2 twisted image
2 dispel
1 relic of progenitus
1 grafdiggers cage
1 hurkyls recall
1 wild defiance

>>48871858

I'm starting to believe you're the superfriends retard who's trying to find someone else to laugh. That deck was completely fine. what part of "1-of tribal shock makes the goyf bigger" you didn't understand?

>>48872433
Bolt is an instant too
Half the deck seemed to be instants. Tarfire is utterly useless

>>48872242
Hurky's recall since you already have Nature's Claim

>>48872242
Grid or dispel. They are similar enough

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>>48872530

>Bolt is an instant too
he ran 4 bolts

>Tarfire is utterly useless
Looks like you have some troubles with comprehension anon. Don't worry the world isn't all that scary. Why don't you make some great superfriends deck to show us all your awesome deckbuilding skills?

>>48872530
in case you're not trolling, tribal is a card type. if a goyf is on board and the only card in any graveyard is tar fire, the goyf is a 2/3.

>>48872530
>Tarfire is utterly useless
There's a lot of things tarfire and bolt are the same hitting.

Also I bet it feels good hitting that perfect goyf

Can G/W Eldritch Evolution be a thing?

>>48872990
Can confirm. Have lived the goyf dream. Feels great

GB elves or Abzan?

I've been seeing Eldrazi-Tron lists pop up, is it a legitimate deck or just an inferior variant?

>>48872990
nobody confirmed when I said this like two weeks ago, but I can't think of a creature that is played in modern that bolt kills and shock doesn't.

>>48872167

Well technically rules wise you can, it just doesn't really do anything. Multiple instances of Double Strike are kind of redundant.

>>48873065

GB if you want to play a more disruptive build with hand disruption. Abzan if you want access to a more toolbox like approach and stronger sideboard.

how are the different tron variants looking in the overall meta?

>>48873243
Just as braindead as ever.

>>48873356
so which relevant decks AREN'T braindead, then?

>>48873384
Tron is literally for mouth breathing idiots

>>48873675
Moreso than Burn? How is that even possible?

and to repeat the question: which relevant decks AREN'T braindead?

>>48873784
So with burn occasionally the best play is to hold back and skullcrack at the right time, or hit a creature instead of the dome. Tron is literally go for Tron, cast the biggest thing you can rn.

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>>48873065
Mono green w/ Thickets for sweet sideboard action. Sadly my elves are dead now.

Goodnight sweet Prince Hoof

>>48873356
Jund Player Detected

>>48874062
None of my decks have a problem with tron. I'm just aware a chimp could play it

>>48867062
No thx. I don't have fun with the tried, tested and trite. I want to innovate.

>>48873179
>I can't think of a creature that is played in modern that bolt kills and shock doesn't.

>Architects of Will
>Eldrazi Displacer
>Ingot Chewer
>Kird Ape
>Prized Amalgam
>Reveillark
>Thragtusk
>Vexing Devil
>Wild Nacatl
>Wurmcoil Tokens

And of course there are all sorts of corner cases like a Mutagenic Growth'd 1/1, making Arcbound Ravager have to eat one more thing, doing more damage to Planeswalkers, etc.

You'll notice something though, the majority of those creatures are things that you really don't want to trade a bolt for most of the time, because you'll lose out. People don't like playing 3 toughness creatures unless they're either hyper efficient, like Kird Ape or Wild Nacatl, or it doesn't really matter if they die, like Prized Amalgam or Thragtusk. Creatures that would be good if not for having 3 toughness have been pushed out of the metagame because of Lightning Bolt, like the new Gisela. Creatures with 1 or 2 toughness are usually cheap enough, or offer something powerful enough, that they're worth the risk of dying to a Bolt or Shock effect.

http://deckstats.net/deck-10890441-cf1e0826649003d655d2121561f86da1.html

Can anyone help me with this deck? I really don't know what directing to go with this. Either I should cut the discard and go full aggro backed by blood moon or up the curve and add more removal to go control/midrange. Which one do you guys think is best and which cards to you recommend?

i'm obviously going to turn this list into jund overtime, I just want to get my rakdos list as competitive as rakdos can be for the time being

>>48867049
Look at the dates. The Eye ban was in March.

>>48867049
No, no, it's not "still Tier 1". It's only Tier 1 now, it was Tier 0 before the ban.

>>48867049
Yes, the deck doesn't have a turn 2 kill anymore but still pulls off some really queer shit.

What should I build that I could upgrade to Jeskai Nahiri? I'm not paying out the ass for tarns.

UW control the only option?

>>48875966
Jeskai without nahiri
UW control doesn't really play that many of the same cards

>>48875988
Like focused more on geist?

>>48875966
Just buy the tarns in a few months when they're at like $50.

>>48876033
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/459343#paper
Got 2nd place at the last modern open, just draw go control with a couple planeswalkers and cliques and colonnades to kill em

A list similar to this was popular a while ago, but I think it was maindecking kitchen finks and wall of omens and dragonlord ojutai

>>48876073
*5th place

>>48852359
Why did his opponent accept it?

Its simple math, he should have 5 lands on turn 3 off of two explores.

>>48876047
Yeah, that's more or less the plan.

>>48876073
>>48875988
I don't know, these are pretty much the cost as Jeskai Nahiri. Maybe I'll just wait it out, I have some of the pieces, Flooded Strands, 3/4 of the Nahiris... Most of the instants and soceries are relatively cheap and the few 1 of or 2 of 20~$ card is whatever, it's just the tarns, colonnades and the snaps really holding me back.

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When are one of you fucks going to top8 with eldrich evolution so it spikes, ive been sitting on about 130 of them for weeks now, im getting itchy

>>48876503
It wouldn't be ideal, but you could possibly get away with using 3 Deltas for the time being. You won't be quite as reliably able to get basic Mountain or Sacred Foundry, but it shouldn't be crippling.

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>>48876598
Believe in him.

>>48876674
I hate this man. Please remove this post.

>>48877087
Why though?

>>48876674
He's shit.

>>48877457
How so though?

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>>48876598
ppl are experimenting

>>48876598
I would hold on to them

There is no way it won't see competitve play

Should I sell my foil playset of collected company?

>>48877614
>>48877120
Go to bed, Jeff.

>>48878027
No, but like actually? I am curious if there's a story or some kind of salt.

>>48878050
He has a shitty personality and always believes his opinion is infallible. His voice is annoying and I want to shit in the face of his first born child.

>>48878050

He's salty and likes to complain and always thinks what his opinion on something is will be 100% undisputable.

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>>48857102
you know the first conspiracy had brainstorm at common right?

>>48878246
Brainstorm isn't actually as great as it sounds without shuffle effects.

>>48877985
It will retain most of its value but will mostly likely go down for a while after it rotates out of standard

>>48878297
i didnt draft much conspiracy I'm not sure of the shuffle effects it had or didn't have

>>48878246
Without shuffle effects brainstorm doesn't filter. You end up drawing the same cards you would have in the end, unlike ponder or preordain or serum visions.

>>48874169
Nigga
Splash white. There you go. You're a fully competent Mardu player and can now go toe to toe with the best of the format.

>>48878320
A quick search of Conspiracy says there are 12 cards with "shuffle" in their text. It looks like the only way you would have been likely to shuffle away your Brainstormed cards would have been deliberately drafting the commons that cycle for basic lands, which aren't really amazing cards on their own.

>>48876598
>Sacrifice as part of the cost of a sorcery that you can't even get back from the yard
Sorry but it's nowhere near Pod.

>>48879881
they would reprint pod if they wanted it to be like pod
although you get +2 cmc

So, Ancestral in Nahiri or not?

>>48880363
>Hey guys there's totally an upside to this card over Pod!
Boo-Hoogland will be back to playing Kiki Chord within a couple of weeks after he's tested against any deck running Mana Leak. Or once people start boarding Grafdigger's Cage against Dredge he'll realise that the deck is just running a sorcery speed Chord so can't go grab an answer in response to Cage.

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>>48879881
>>48880514
>people are this stupid

Let's see both pod and evolution are sorcery speed. Both Sac and in exchange for a repeatable effect via pod, you get less limitations in what you can search you can grab up to 2 higher.

I'm not saying Evolution is god tier but it has it's place and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it found a home in some modern deck.

>b-but muh comparisons to a banned card

>>48880833
>He thinks Pod deserved the axe!