MTG Conspiracy 2 Spoilers

>>48844740

Where the poop goes to?

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Leovold arrives.

>>48844740
>You may sacrifice an artifact
>You may
The fuck is this for? Why would I roll him down and not sac anything?

>>48845022
If someone sacrifices target creature/artifact, or gives it hexproof or shroud in response to you activating the ability you can just choose not to sac anything.

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>>48845203
>the city of me

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>>48845219
So yes, white Chalice except it straight up prevents noncreature spells of the chosen number. I can read I promise.

REPRINT DAY

>>48845237
Strictly inferior to Semen Visions.

>>48845237

Fucking Finally.

>>48845219

Death and Taxes? You could Aether Vial it, I guess. Could you do it in response and "counter" a spell?

>>48845219
What's up with mono white getting all the good shit lately? I'm not complaining about the color pie, that card is definitely white, but I can't remember the last time I saw a non-white mono colored card that made me think "damn, that's sick".

>>48845370
>Could you do it in response and "counter" a spell?
no since the spell was already cast.

>>48845370
no

>>48845237
Woot! No longer shall I pay $8 for a common! I shall not pay anymore since I already bought mine :(

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Oh look, ramp for green. Stunning.

>>48845477
Can't wait to play against some smug prick with this and the mythic conspiracy

>>48845477
This+Nissa's pilgrimage=T3 with 5/6 lands.

>>48844759
He's a planeswalker. His poop goes wherever he wants it to. Probably Ulgrotha

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>>48845477
It's a reprint. And since Conspiracy is only legal in eternal formats, this doesn't add any ramp to a format that didn't already have it.

>all those nice new clerics

My cleric tribal deck is pretty happy

why is the new Marchesa mardu? what's white about her?

>>48845022
I feel like wotc is just inserting may into everything just as a catch all for fringe situations. They put may on the ghost assassin for her flicker effect too.

>>48845682
She's using the system to her advantage, classic WB

>make a multiplayer set
>give legacy more tools

>>48845477
>Burgeoning reprint
I'm cumming

>>48845682
It's tenuous but lordship, royalty, and hierarchy are white, along with the idea of "ruling with an iron fist". They can also be spun as black though so. They probably wanted to change her colors for the sake of it more than because they HAD to. She dowsnt feel very blue anymore to be fair but she never felt very blue to begin with.

>>48845721
>make a tools-for-legacy sey
>everyone loves the draft

>make a draft set
>everyone loves the legacy reprints and playables

>>48845721
Fuck this being a draft set I'm liking this better than eternal

I'm half expecting them to reveal Damnation in a few days.

>>48845022
For a weird instance in which an opponent removes your desired target, leaving you with only a target you DON'T want to sac. May is good here.

>>48845682
white is law, order, tradition. She is now using ruler, and is pretty apparently using the rules of the monarchy to her gain

>>48845682
Sorin, lord of innistrad is a 'black' lord. He controls innistrad when he wants to, but most of the time he is not actually there. It is something that belongs to him, but not something he really exerts effort to oversee, unless he wants to use it to further another goal. Most of the denizens of innistrad, in fact, do not realize that sorin exists, or that he considers them to be things that belong to him.

Marchedder, on the other hand, is a very visable ruler, who wants to actively govern her subjects (and quite harshly). Shes all about order and making sure that people know there is a heirarchy and she is at the top.

>>48845713
>reprinting WILD PAIR
STOP

>>48845805
Crucible of Worlds please.

>>48845713
Cast your griselbrand now and get an added bonus of meandering towershell, absolutely free.

>>48844785
oooooo

>>48845237
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>>48845805
Good, I need it.

>>48845918
>tfw I actually have a meandering towershell/novablast wurm deck that includes wild pair

>>48844740
So what's the deal here? He turns into the pope later on?

>>48845897
I'd rather have it in Kaledesh so we can make Gitrog standard decks

>>48846342
I think there's a story today but I haven't read it yet. It may explain the change. Old Daretti came first as far as we know so something happened to turn him into robohobo who fights the system. I wonder what this means for Grenzo.

>>48846370
Oh, he's pissed because the Academy (the source of education and the creators of the cogwork machinations on Fiora) was disbanded and cogwork was outlawed. So now Daretti is the outlaw workign with Grenzo

>>48846350
Sorry Anon, Crucible is just too strong for standard. Think of how BROKEN it is in combination with evolving wilds or the Blighted lands from BFZ block. Why, with Blighted Gorge alone you could spend 6 mana and a land drop to repeatedly get an uncounterable Shock. Such an interaction is just uninteractive and detracts from fun we at Wizards of the Coast are trying to foster.

t.MaRo

Pretty nice set so far. I feel like wizards is trying to listen to the community more with this and EMA.

>>48846370
yeah new Darretti is angry because
1. academy was closed and he lost his prestige
2. he found out a professor above him who was constantly criticizing his work, was actually stealing it for himself


Now hes out to on a vendetta against old acadmey folks, and marchesa (grenzo was kicked out of the dungeon and hates her for this)

>>48846611
Couldn't we have Daretti as the protagonist instead of ms. platinum who

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>tfw no Mishra's Bauble reprint

>>48845237
Fuck off, shitty filter spell getting in the way of my draft experience just because Modern players aren't allowed to cast Ponder and Preordain. Yes I mad. Even Pauper has better filter spells than Modern.

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>>48845380
maybe you just like white effects better?

Will these cards be standard legal?

>>48846730
Absolutely not
Fuck off

>>48846709
Casual Player detected
>>48846730
Does Conspiracy got into standard normal rotation? NO.

>>48846745
>tfw no absolute powerlevel Standard and all that good shit streaming into Modern

>>48846709
Is that a card? I mean I've seen some rumours of that being in legacy or modern delver, but haven't checked any results.

>>48845665
A reprint of a $30 card.

>>48845022
The sacrifice is part of the effect, not the cost, which means the opponent can, in response, remove your artifacts. Without "may" you could be forced to sacrifice an artifact you want to keep, without "if you do" you could bounce your own artifact for -1 to be straight removal.

>>48846801
Also known as the best kind of reprints

>Fimarell's eyes shifted between them. Daretti tried to regain his menacing composure. "I..." He stammered. "I...the career I was supposed...where was I?"

>Fimarell spit out the page in his mouth. "The manuscript I stole from you..." he said cautiously.

>"Oh yes," said Daretti. "Well...it's you who is the..." He paused. "Very well. Let's get on with it." Daretti reached under Fimarell's legs and heaved him up and through the window. He tumbled down two stories and landed with a heavy thump on the street below.

Wow, I thought that was genuinely humorous. Also, for a red character, Daretti is surprisingly uncomfortable in disorder.

>>48846850
Not really. If people's collection lose too much value magic as a whole will be hurt

>>48846853
Red is also passion and creativity. You don't have to embody every aspect of a color to be part of that color.

>>48846884
>A $30 green enchantment reprinted at rare will destroy magic
You're such a faggot.

>>48846884
I love this mindset. This only effects retards who dropped hundreds of dollars on singles, and people who sell singles. It isn't a surprise that the onl people who make articles/videos over this conveniently sell singles themselves.

>>48846677
The plan the sets over a year in advance. When they were putting Conspiracy together they didn't know Bauble was going to spike yet.

>>48846907
One or two is fine but not more outside of the masters sets otherwise prices will lower too much

>>48846931
It spiked?

>>48846884
"WHY CANT WIZARDS LET US FUCK THE SECONDARY MARKET HARDER! THEY DONT EVEN OWN THE RIGHTS TO REPRINT FUCKING COMMIES RUINING GLORIOUS EXTORTIONIST CAPITALISM

>>48846884
>magic as a whole will be hurt
according to who? Faggots who spent thousands?

>>48846884
Maro shill detected
>WEW LAD

>>48846514
>>48846611

I really don't get why this means he is partly black now. Being angry and abandoning reason for revenge seems more red to me than he was before.

>>48846884
Nope. Only dead formats will hurt (Vintage, legacy, etc)

>>48845237
cute tummy

>>48846884
How did you feel about Khans fetchlands?

>>48846884
Fuck. The. Secondary. Market.
If I want to play with a card, I shouldn't have to pay more than $10-20 for any single card. The secondary market and the people that mass buy up copies of a card are cancer.

>>48846956
>Going from a static $10 to mid $20-$30 isn't a spike

>>48846948
They should lower. Fuck insane price gouging. I bet you're a vendor faggot who spent his life savings on cardboard and now you're afraid that maybe that wasn't the smartest idea.

>>48846884
>If people's collection lose too much value magic as a whole will be hurt
How? Because the true die-hard collectors care about the completion of their collection, not the price and the second-hand market """collectors""" don't even spend money on sealed product, they just buy and sell singles that they speculate on. Cheaper card prices does NOTHING to Wizards bottom line.

>>48847006
>Only dead formats will hurt (Vintage, legacy, etc)
Wrong, cheaper prices would help make these formats live.

>>48846991
Its probably mostly because he's allied with Grenzo now and they want to show it more than because he is explicitly black. I don't get a very black vibe from him in the story either. Maybe flavor-wise, it's because he's willing to do the crazy shit Grenzo does to get back his power and prestige whereas a purely red character wouldn't care about that and would want revenge for the sake of it?

>>48845022
Lets say you pop him and there are only two artifacts on the field. Their sol ring and your sol ring. Your opponent wants to be a tricky dicky vengeful fuck and destroys his own sol ring leaving yours as the only viable target.

If may was not there then you would be forced to sac your own sol ring. With may there you just laugh at your opponent for being a dumb ass.

>>48846884
>If people's collection lose too much value magic as a whole will be hurt
I know you're doing this for the (you)s but a group of jews thought this and that's why we have the reserved list

>>48847025
Holy shit, I didn't even know it was worth $10. I just had about 15 sitting around since the Cold Snap set and just been using them in every deck I've made. I guess this means I should sell a few.

>>48846801
If you're playing eternal formats, you've already given up on value for money. Will a playset of these really provide you with $120 worth of enjoyment?

>>48847126
Some people really want to play eternal formats, so maybe.

Plus some stores do eternal tournaments.

Get Garfield on the phone, he was adamant about a single never costing more than $20

>>48847126
>Will a playset of these really provide you with $120 worth of enjoyment?
The fact that they are being reprinted means they won't have to give $120 worth of entertainment, because they will be cheaper now.

>>48846884
The only people who will be hurt are secondary vendors. Players want their staples to be cheap so that they can have a fluid meta. I for one want Tarmogoyf's price to plummet despite having already spent a fortune on a play set. I don't want to spend that sort of money on cards and I don't want my fellow players to spend that sort of money on cards.

>>48847052
These formats will be dead due to everyone and their fat neckbeard fathers wanting play sets of dual lands which only 3,300 of each exist, except volcanic island in which 2,200 exist.

>>48847126
Same could be said of vintage players. Does that playset of volcanic island really give you $1,200 worth of joy?

>>48847146
That won't make it suddenly reasonable to play Vintage or Legacy. How much does a whole deck in those formats usually cost?

>>48847160
>These formats will be dead due to everyone and their fat neckbeard fathers wanting play sets of dual lands which only 3,300 of each exist, except volcanic island in which 2,200 exist.
Then the solution is simple
Fuck
The
Reserved
List

>>48847191
He was commenting on the cost of just that card on it's own. Apply what I said to any card worth more than $10 at most.

>>48846991
Black is also amorality, selfeshness, and rule breaking.

Sometimes I think people get hung up and think that t black always has to be nuanced. I would argue sometimes black can be evil, black can do malicious acts simply because they want to there doesn't always have to be nuances and reasons.

Not only did Daretti want revenge, but he wanted it done his way, he wanted to goad, belittle and then kill professor.

That seems pretty black

>>48847211
That jew that tried to scalp people for their AIDS medicine just bought a ton of black lotuses and was posting about how he was going to publicly burn them.

Some other dude was buying out reserved list cards too.

Hopefully this'll get wotc to stop being retarded

>>48847211
OY VEY!
DREDGE ANTISEMITE SPOTTED!
ALERTAAAA

>>48847144
>Garfield comes back
>First order is unban dread return and new unset

>>48847268
Perfect

Though conspiracy 2 seems vaguely un

>>48846611
>grenzo was kicked out of the dungeon and hates her for this
>get a real job grenzo, we're replacing you with a kaladeshian
>FAK U BITCH DUNGEON LYF

WOTC doesn't deserve any credit here.

>>48847160
Fuck the reserved list too, then there can be more of them. Not a hard concept.

>>48847289
New un would have reversedredge and inverted yard.

>>48847229
God I hope so, if two people are all it takes to fuck the entire reserve list, then maybe they'll see that their business model is incredibly fucked.

>>48847352
Two incredibly rich and incredibly petty people.

Well, only one of them is incredibly petty. The other guy just wants to play the market and turn a profit

>>48847229
Pharma bro is such a fucking weird dude, out of nowhere he starts talking about mtg and when I go to his twitter he is talking about the Daigo vs Justin evo moment

>>48847367
Pharmaguy is just weird guy.

The other one is a retard "investing" but not a true (((investor))).

>>48847387
He's living the dream. Young enough to care about nerd shit, rich enough he can do and say literally whatever the fuck he wants and be completely above reproath

Martin Shkreli is what every shitposter aspires to be

>>48847514
Martin Shkreli channeled his spirit animal too hard.

Sadly for all, his spirit animal was the proud strayan' bogan shitposter.

>sell off majority of collection, except a complete (though non-foil) build of Legacy D&T and the singles needed to convert it to a Modern-legal variant
>use the money to buy a fucking rad mountain bike with all-new kit to go with it
>have lots of fun going F A S T innawoods
>also fun going S L O W on extremely tight, technical singletrack
>see all these new toys for D&T
everythings coming up milhouse

>>48847514
>rich enough

Isn't he in a fuckton of debt?

>all these anons against the faggots who invest on cardboard

My niggas and I though that /tg/ were faggots who only think about MUH MONEY
I only lurk spoiler threads tho

>>48847833
/tg/ is very cucked and filled with shills, but general opinions, at least for now.

>>48847214
Thanks. That was pretty convincing.

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>Fiora is the coolest looking plane in a while
>doesn't look like the Justice League will visit there to ruin the plane or overshadow the characters there

>>48847940
Not yet at least.

>>48847940
>or overshadow the characters there
Adriana or whatever is a shit character though.

I'd prefer the jacetice league over her

>>48847975
Yeah, like, what's her goddamn endgame? Dethrone Marchesa and then what, set up a democracy since there aren't any other next in lines? She's as dumb as Ned Stark. Who is probably her character inspiration.

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4/4 for 5 with essentially draw a card and it's better if you're monarch? I'll take that at common.

>>48848002
Also why is she a platnium blonde

>>48848002
According to the story, she doesn't like the current winner takes all sort of system where people can just keep killing and taking over the throne, but doesn't feel she's the lord type. So she went to Selvala who was a good friend of Brago before he became a tyrant in his overly long rule with the proposal of having her become the new queen of the city.

>>48848013
This is pretty absurdly powerful for a limited common.

>>48847975
I will say the stories they have released about her makes it seem like we should already be invested in her character despite the fact we haven't heard of her before (at least I haven't, which may be my fault)


>>48848002
her end game seems to be abolishment of the monarchy to prevent the cycle that the monarchy perpetuates.Which is the constant, scheming/political machinations of people trying to gain control.

>>48847214
I think people mostly just don't like black that's evil for the sake of being evil, and that's also sometimes tough to distinguish from red (I guess the difference would be that one recognizes what its doing is seen as "bad" and the other doesn't but I'm not sure which would be which). That's why Liliana is often criticized as a character, since she is 90% of the time portrayed as being evil because she likes it despite having a very good set up for a sympathetic, understandable black character.

>>48848090
>we haven't heard of her before (at least I haven't, which may be my fault)
Nah she's just some literal who they made up for the last UR.

>>48845370
Best thing you can do is against miracles. Vial her in in response to the entreat or terminus miracle trigger.

>>48848090
We would be invested because in her character on the basis that we know Marchesa is bad and the things she stands against are bad, which makes it easier to understand that she is the person we need to be rooting for even if we'd never heard of her before (which we havent, shes new for the storyline of CN2). Doesn't make "her" a good character in and of itself but the point is that its logical the readers would inherently be invested in what she wants.

>>48848013
>common card that turns you into monarch efficiently
That is very strong for a common, considering that its second ability let you have a decent trade/protect monarchy, you can get some insane advantage for a common.

>>48845219
>death and taxes gets this and a better version of imperial recruiter in the same set.
It feels like they realized that miracles players would riot if they got banned, so they made D&T beat it instead.

>>48848199
I get Marchesa's "evil" and all but I was literally rooting for her that entire UR.

Every time they brought up her as some sort of villain and tried to talk about Adriana it just seemed incredibly cringey

>>48848199
But I'm invested in Marchesa...?

>>48846884
I'm perfectly happy eating a loss on my duals if it means the reserve list will die.
The only thing that really bothers me regarding card prices is when only my cards go down, and everything else goes up.
If everything was reprinted, and relative card values to each other stayed the same, I would be perfectly happy.

>>48847059
Why wouldn't he just destroy your sol ring in the first place?

>>48847975
>Jacetice League
>over anything
They are cool and all, but I hope they stop being printed after each one gets their own block.

>>48848243
>>48848247
Didn't say that they were correct and in fact I thought I carefully chose my words to imply that it was only what Wizards though. My only point was that logically they would think that establishing Marchesa as a bad person would make whoever stands opposite to her as someone we should like regardless of whether or not it actually works. Creative has never been storytelling geniuses.

>>48848234
Yeah, I cannot wait for the judge calls when people try to respond to this chalice on legs. Already get enough with revoker.
What do you mean I cant respond to the vialed revoker etb? JUDGE!

>>48847059
>he destroys him own sol ring
>as if you could sac his sol ring

>>48848199
The issue is the article portrays Fiora as a gray on gray thing.

Brago made things better, but even he himself was corrupted in the end. Marchesa doesn't seem out of the normal for Fiora. The UR didn't make it seem like Marchesa was doing something "evil" as that just seems to be the way of things in Fiora

>>48848274
If maro is to be believed, we're getting a new member of the jacetice league every block.

Also yea I'd definitely take Jacetice League over Adriana.

>>48848294
>Creative has never been storytelling geniuses.
They were doing so well during Innistrad though.

Or at least, a hell of a lot better than Zendikar.

Now I'm somewhat scared for Kaladesh.

>>48848301
>Marchesa doesn't seem out of the normal for Fiora. The UR didn't make it seem like Marchesa was doing something "evil" as that just seems to be the way of things in Fiora
Adriana doesn't fucking shut up about Marchesa being evil and she's supposed to be the "main character" for the set I'm assuming

>>48848322
We don't know almost anything about Adriana, how do you she is that bad? This set isn't even full spoiled.

I already know that the notAvengers are bad, I prefer to take my chances.

>>48848301
It IS normal on Fiora, and even Adrianna herself realizes that Brago wasn't really the best thing for Paliano despite being the man she was sworn to protect. It's "normal" but the "normal" cycle is what adrianna doesnt want to continue, and again it's understandable to think the average readers wouldn't actually like the place Fiora is even if its entire identity from its conception as a setting.
>The UR didn't make it seem like Marchesa was doing something "evil"
Come on though man yes it did. A lot of people like evil people doing evil things but it doesn't make it less obviously "bad". A woman whoes goes around poisoning people and hirring assassin to take out others is not generally painted as a "good" or even "neutral" character in most media.

>>48848372
>We don't know almost anything about Adriana, how do you she is that bad?
Because last week's UR is some of the most ham-fisted writing I've ever seen to try and make a "good" protagonist and "evil" antagonist.

Not Zendikar bad but pretty bad.

>>48848322
Yeah, too bad EMN had to happen. It's like the sequel no one ever asked for.

>>48848393
I mean, it didn't really have to be "hamfisted" and it really wasn't. They don't have to TRY to make Marchesa out as a bad person because that's her entire identity, a person who does shitty things to get into power. I can see some offense being taken at a randy literally who coming out of nowhere and being thrust into the protagonist role but it's not like they had to try really hard to make Marchesa out as a bad guy.

>>48848403
Eh EMN seemed kind of Rushed, but kudos to them for making an actual somewhat "shocking" reveal, just because no one thought anyone at creative had enough juice in them to do anything outside of expectations.

ESPECIALLY after the bullshit of burning Ulamog and Kozilek

>>48848403
I'm pretty Eldrazi on Innistrad was an extremely common fantasy for a lot of people pre-BFZ.

>>48848416
>but it's not like they had to try really hard to make Marchesa out as a bad guy.
Adriana does, though. It's like 95% of what the text relating to her is about.

Like I said I know Marchesa is a shitty person but I thought it was just so fucking stupid.

>>48848451
That's what 95% of text relating to her is about because that IS WHAT SHE IS ABOUT. She is a bad a person. You can like a bad person as a character, and that's fine, sometimes its fun to see that, but my only point is that they didn't have to try to make a character that was already an extremely shitty person into a shitty person because that's already what they were.

>>48848428
>but kudos to them for making an actual somewhat "shocking" reveal, just because no one thought anyone at creative had enough juice in them to do anything outside of expectations.
What. Everyone called Emrakul literally just from the set names. It was so obvious people started desperately making up shit that fit because they thought Creative couldn't possibly be that hamfisted. The only actual twist was Emrakul going to space jail voluntarily.

>>48848468
>That's what 95% of text relating to her is about because that IS WHAT SHE IS ABOUT. She is a bad a person.
No dude you misread my post.

95% of ADRIANA'S text is telling the reader that Marchesa is a bad person and we should hate her.

>>48848428
>an actual somewhat "shocking" reveal

What exactly are you referring to?

>>48848486
>The only actual twist was Emrakul going to space jail voluntarily.
Which is the exact thing I was talking about.
It's not a lot but it's a lot more than what people were expecting from Creative because they're usually so awful.

Literally everyone's known it's been Emrakul since probably the first few weeks after SoI was announced.

>>48848379
except I can't say "SHES EVIL"

because given the setting that is just normal day to day life. If it wasn't her someone else would be doing the exact same thing. There is always someone vying for power.


Hell today's article already shows people praising the new queen.

>>48848486
B-BUT
MUH MARIT LAGE

>>48848510
>>48848513
Though honestly the most shocking part of it is that it was anything at all outside of what had already been shown in the cards and the art book.

>>48848522
Really? You genuinely, honestly can say Marchesa doesn't seem like a bad person, even considering the setting? We can have characters conspiring for power without feeling "evil". Muzzio and Grenzo didn't feel evil, and Selvala was an outright protagonist iirc.

>>48845022
You have a expedition map and a blightsteel colossus on board. Response to your -1 the opponent breaks your map so you would normally have to get rid of the very good card blightsteel. now you dont have to.

>>48848561
Marchesa seems like a ""bad person"" because she's an assassin but that's about it.

She certainly doesn't feel "evil".

>>48848594
Muzzio was a "social" assassin. He went around actively using his cogwork inventions to destroy people's lives. But he didn't feel like a "bad person", he definitely felt "neutral", just doing what he does because the flavor of fiora is doing that. It's not the same with Marchesa.

marchesa apologists pls go
t. adrianna captain of the guard

>>48848561
I am not saying she isn't a bad person, but she doesn't feel anymore bad then most of fiora.
I keep thinking of GW's Skaven. Given their society, I wouldn't argue a specific skaven is more evil then others. They are constantly vying for power and back stabbing.


It seems the same for fiora, custodi were perfectly fine taking bribes, the castle servants rolled out everything without pause, hell Adriana is more upset at the system that perpetuates this constant scheming then the death of Brago. For them it was tuesday

>>48848734
It is all grey, after all Muzzio and Marchesa were in similar capacity last set, and that is the way of the world in Fiora, but in universe it's meant to be a BAD thing. People accept it but that doesn't make it "good" or "not bad". It's kind of like, say, how Innistrad is horror world. It's an extremely shitty place to be, but it is their norm. But it doesn't make it less shitty. It's a lot worse than Fiora of course but the point still stands.

>>48846884
The only people it would hurt are ass-faggot hoarders who play mtg stocks and "spec buy" 20 Ugin's Nexus at $.90 and need a return on investment because their livelihood is based on upselling cardboard to idiots who need another way to spend their money.

Fuck those people, fuck you, fuck the system that people and WotC created that makes this game harder to play for the people who want to play it.

>>48848811
>It's an extremely shitty place to be, but it is their norm.
>Well at least Werewolves don't devour existence!

>>48848844
>>Well at least Werewolves don't devour existence!
Now they do. Thanks Emrakul!

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>>48848679
The greatest traitor has always resembled an honest man and the greatest falsehood come across as truth.

Righteousness and evil cannot be discerned by their appearances.

>>48848861
Yea.

It being blatantly obvious that it was Emrakul makes that comic all the funnier

>>48848844
>werewolves
Thats a funny way of saying Phyrexians

>>48848867
Yeah but in-world everyone knows Marchesa is a poisonmaster witch so she doesn't even have the facade.

>>48848878
>It being blatantly obvious that it was Emrakul makes that comic all the funnier
What comic?

>>48848955
The 5 color control comic from a while ago.

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>>48844740
Not to break up this thread arguing over Marchesa

but more spoilers

>>48848993
Cool.

>>48848993
Fuck
Fuck
Why isn't this common
Fuck I want this for a pauper cube

Having 4 sol rings out, feels good you can also sack ichor springs to it if you wanted for max value.

>>48848993
Butt battle!

>>48848993
Oh wow, I thought at first that creatures had power equal to your weight.

>>48849116
>Neckbeardinor the mighty drafting Unspiracy
>each creature has 1000 power

>After some time away, Daretti has returned to Fiora to reshape the power structures of Paliano that denied him his aspirations. His schemings were responsible for the disbanding of the Academy, as he tipped Grenzo, the palace's goblin prison warden, off to Muzzio's storehouse of cogwork warriors. He was also instrumental in instigating the goblin riots, both to overturn Paliano's current leadership and to root out former members of the Academy who are now lying low in the city.
Wait, what? So Daretti was the one who outed Muzzio as the one using cogwork to attempt at Marchesa's life and had the Academy shutdown himself? What?
Also the quote at the top of his planeswalker profile doesn't sound like him at all. based on what we know about him.

>>48849232

PHYREXIAN CORRUPTION INCOMING

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Mythic downgrade

>>48849364
Well, it did deserve it. 4-Mana Bob that gives card to your opponents isn't exactly top of the class.

>>48849364
Well, this does feels more fun in a multiplayer environment

>>48849364
Ah, my first ever mythic... Never found a use for him.

>>48844785

Is this card specifically designed for that weird EDH spinoff format where you can only run commanders with 3 CMC or less, and there was no such thing for Sultai colors, so they had to make up a placeholder card? Tiny Leaders, was it called?

>>48850185
Doubt it. Why would it be?

>>48846884

God, I wish the secondary market of Magic cards crashed tomorrow as hard as possible. It's a cancer on this game, always has been.

>>48846948
>otherwise prices will lower too much

There is no such thing as prices lowering too much. The correct price for any Magic card is whatever it costs to print that card, and not a single cent more.

>>48848045
No, to become the Republic's first senator.

>>48850262

'Cause that format has been pretty popular lately and its rules committee literally had to make up a card because there were no 3CMC legends with Sultai color identity in the game. I wouldn't be surprised at all if WotC decided to invent one purely because of that.

>>48850386
It hasn't been "popular lately" unless like two years ago is still considered lately. And I doubt Wizards really cares what they do. It was inevitability to get a commander that'd suit the rules eventually. Doesn't mean it was made for the purpose of appealing to the format.

>>48850459
Is it not popular anymore? Our shop still has an event every month

>>48847622
You'll come back in a year and complain you could have gotten more money selling your collection later.

>>48850502
Not in general, no.

>>48850386
Tiny leaders was cool for about 6 months a year ago, then everyone found out it was just super cancerous legacy-lite and was terrible to actually play. Also I don't think WotC ever gave a shit about it.

When are the spoiler drafts happening?

>>48849232
His star pupil tried to murder him and was a racist cunt. Who the fuck backstabs a planeswalker who told them about dominaria and new phyrexia? Those are the holy grails of artifice and you go and shit all over that.

>>48850522
>citation needed
Commander is still pretty big in the shop I go.

>>48850794
What? Muzzio didn't actually try to kill him. Everyone thought that was the case but Muzzio had nothing to do with it in reality and it was Daretti's own experimentation. Also didn't know Muzzio was characterized racist. We didn't have any indication at all he was unhappy at the Academy before. We knew he had prejudice against him but I always got the impression he rose above it and paid it no mind rather than letting it get to him like it actually did.

>>48850991
Uh. Yeah. Commander is still huge.

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Why is conspiracy more exciting than all the master sets bar the first MM? Is it the playables in all formats at an unlimited print run?

>>48851001
given the most recent story I think he tried that, but on returning to fiora he found out that a lot of his work was taken by his detractors after his "death". my understanding is that prior to his spark daretti did everything to prove himself in spite of prejudice and it's mostly after returning that he's been embittered to the whole place.

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>>48851072
new cards/mechanics and pic related

>>48851146
tbf tho that balance art is sweet

>>48851146
I miss Inkwell. Fuck blightsteel for ruining the tinker package

>>48851157
oh definitely

I was just pissed that both of the white mythics were banned in EDH

New BUG legend is bullshit. Hopefully it leads to a ban on some BUG cards

>>48850291
My commander deck is worth $1000+ and my collection adds $500 at least. I still agree with you.

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>>48851319
>1500

being poor must suck.

>>48851393
I don't buy or keep cards I don't need.

>>48851453
Must suck not having been playing since 1993 and owning everything on the reserved list

>>48851532
I sold them, because I figured a card game would never be that expensive.

>>48847975
I really hate how they are making this a classic case of MONARCHY BAD, DEMOCRACY GOOD with her. I would have liked her to be a character in love with her post and ideals of duty rather than some girl playing king maker.

>>48851146
>>48851177
I got wrecked by Inkwell in a Vintage Cube draft so I suppose in not really allowed to talk shit about it.

But Tinker+Blightsteel 4 lyfe

>>48847160
Ah Ah Ah! There's actually 3,311 of the duals each! Remember the Summer set with the Blue border Hurricane? 11 of each dual land was printed in this misprint set.

>>48850185
>>48850262
>>48850386
>>48850459
>>48850534
You guys are forgetting, sets are designed about a year in advance. It would actually fit almost perfectly for Tiny Leaders to have been popular a year ago and only just now receive support.

So. Anyone thinking of throwing monarch cards into legacy decks? Free eot card draw seems very effective on some 2 or 3 ofs.

>>48851072
It would appear the set designers actually want to make a fun set instead of approaching maximum jew. It would be practically impossible to with any of the Masters sets considering the kind of corporate meddling that must go on for them

>>48852087
Being the monarch seems pretty damn good for control in Legacy, it doesn't look like they're going to print anything that will make you the monarch for less than 4 mana though. Maybe we'll get a black spell that let's you pay life to do it or something

>>48852087
I don't think so. Without proper set up such as draft in a set designed around or a deck built around protecting the crown, i don't feel it's worth the risk of letting your opponent get control of the throne is worth getting the draw yourself. But that's assuming worst case scenario. Maybe in 1v1 it's not that hard to defend it doing what you normally do. I certainly haven't seen any legacy worthy monarch cards though yet. Maybe a Thraben Inspecter/Elvish Visionary type weenie can make it work.

>>48852233
They'll probably make a 2 mama mythic artifact that makes you the monarch every time you cast a non-creature spell.

Kill yourself, your mom will sell off your collection and help keep the market healthy enough to stave off reprints.

>>48852567
i like how this post isn't directed at anyone because it is just good general advice.

So many impoverished children who have no commitment to Magic and haven't even been playing over two decades thinking Magic owes them free reprints. Hilarious. Suck my nut. If you cared about the game you would have been playing 22 years ago and earned the cards you can't afford because your allowance won't allow it.

>>48854560
>if you cared about the game you would have been born earlier

>>48852567
>>48854560
>reprints are bad
>if you wanted a card why didn't you exist over two decades ago
>get off my lawn

I bet you play super-competitive EDH too.

>>48851545
interesting effect; good with the conspiracies

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>>48854746
Sup

>>48852196
Marchesa is 3 mana

But it's in unplayable color combination in Legacy so I get what you mean.

>>48851183
>Not just playing with them anyways

Even my store lets you have them in official events so long as you aren't a dick. I use gifts ungiven all the time.

>>48854762
Sharuum combo faggot. You'd better team up with all the rest of the plebs and defeat me by turn 4-6 or I've already won.

>>48854869
Where's the Diamond, that shit's spiked in price lately. Also you seem to be missing some Moxen and a Lotus.

>>48854950
Well, at least you already know you're a faggot.

>>48854967
Oh there it is. Where are the other 3 for Parfait.

>>48851072
Maybe its designed for drafting and without worrying about the impact it will have on standard on modern.

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>>48854943
Try again.

>>48854980
Saying you're the faggot because you can't beat these heady artifacts. What am I supposed to do, find a Transmute Artifact in my collection that's been sitting in a box for 20 years and not build it?

>>48855010
Oh, by all means, play it and enjoy it. If you really do enjoy competitive metas, that's fine, I just personally can't stand them myself..

But if you aren't planning on selling it, don't bitch when they reprint good cards.

>>48844740
>construct
>not contraption

Ya blew it.

>>48855116
The new running joke is that they say they're figuring out how to do contraptions while not actually doing it

>>48846658
Because he didn't test well with the target audience.

For the 10th time Daretti can't reanimate a Blightsteel.

>>48855215
Thanks maro

Library of Alexandria unbanned in EDH fucking when? Made sure to pick up my copy when they were cheaper than blue duals.

>start adding cards to my collection on tcg
>estimated value of $11,000 on the low
>not even a quarter of the way through

Jayzus.

>>48855304
Give me the that land that draws and discards large amounts for free for Daretti

>>48855359
Last I looked which was like a year ago it all came around to 15000ish for me. Its actually become one of my financial fallback if shit hits the fan. It's slightly ruined my life knowing though. I'm SUPER fucking paranoid about being stolen from. I have to resist the urge to not yell at people to back the fuck away.

>>48855360
bazaar of Baghdad

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>>48851545
I can't believe they can do this. This is the kind of card I dream about. Jesus. I am so fucking excited. I just wish it could affect cards in other zones than the battlefield.

It is still fun on a bun though.

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>>48851545
Guys, guys, guys listen.

Listen guys.

>>48856565
So you spend GGWWWUU to hit a single creature tutor and it comes out tapped?

Cheeky, but not good. I assume EDH, with a bloody ultimatum.

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>>48851545
How would that interact with this?

>>48856650
Sadly, it took me about five minutes of being excited before realizing that it only gives you one card, essentially making it a shitty Bifurcate.

Ah well. Good with Pack Hunt and Bifurcate. Mask of the Mimic too.

And yes, for jank.

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>>48856672
Well. It interacts well. It kills everything other than legends.

To be honest, kind of small list of cards that actually work well in a spectacular fashion with it, but eh.

>>48849029
>cards from conspiracy have ever been expensive
>conspiracy type cards resell for anything
absolutely top kek my good sir

>>48851545
WAIT! does this work for fusion cards?? like the ones in eldritch moon

>>48857360
based on text alone it totally fuking does

>>48851545

Going to make janky biovisionary with this

>>48846991
Because he's against muh guvmint, it doesn't matter that the ruler is black too.
It's also why Marchesa is now white, she's now the government so she's white, doesn't matter that blue does law too and fit her conniving tactical bitch personality much better.

Also, apparently killing seems to be inherently black despite both red and white murdering/removing people from existance way more often in both card art and flavor.

Magic flavor can be extremely superficial in the strangest ways.

>>48847661
Debt isn't real until it's charged, and there's always suicide and lawless paradises. This is not Ravnica where the jews can literally take your soul.

Otherwise America would be super fucked, check out that debt.

>>48857448

It's assassination that's Black, not killing. White will execute you for your crimes, Red will bash your face in from the front, Black stabs you in the back or poisons your drink.

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>>48851545

>>48847622
I sold my BomberOath deck when they "no more proxi tournaments" stink went off.
I bought a motherfucking boat and a commercial fishing license with that money. Now I've bought back 3/9 power pieces with tuna money.

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>>48857593

>>48857360
It 'works', in the sense that it'll "turn on" any given Meld Pair if you have the half that melds.

It'll exile both of them... and then they stay there, because the card that has the Spy Kit on it isn't a meld card, so you can't meld it.

>>48848199
The UR actually made me root for Marchesa because Adriana is that fucking boring.
Also, what's the deal with Marchesa, her original card was an old lady, her promo art from CNS she was a hot young rogueish chick, and now she's a milf. Do artists really not care?

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I hate streaming spoilers.

BUT MORE REPRINTS.

>>48848379
>A woman whoes goes around poisoning people and hirring assassin to take out others is not generally painted as a "good" or even "neutral" character in most media.
You'd be surprised.

>>48851393
Kirari is cute, CUTE!

>>48857580
Daretti is not an assasin. But he's anti-government and killed someone so he's black now.
It's the same shit as "Sorin cares about Innistrad so he's white now". They literally cannot accept black and red have more feelings than burn and kill despite running their mouths about how much they do.

>>48848299
You're an idiot.

>>48857708
I do love this guy.

>>48856699
I do like how it turns Sever the Bloodline into a boardwipe if you need it to be.

>>48858028
Sorin literally created an angel to watch over innistrad. This is about as white as it gets.

>>48857355
You're missing the point. He wants it at common so it can go in a PAUPER Cube.

>>48844740
WELCOME TO VINTAGE BUDDY.

>>48858511
What makes you think that? He's no Dack Fayden. The creature removal isn't hugely relevant, and the tokens have defender.

>>48858596
>T1 Mox, land
>T2 Daretti, sac my Mox to destroy your Slash Panther/World Breaker

>new neighbor asks me if I play
>tell him I used to play alot from alara through theros
>decide were gonna play some old standard decks
>start throwing together caw blade and delver
>have all rares mythics and lands but realise I gave my common boxes away. No ponder preordains mana leaks n shit

Why did I do it

>>48858720
So he's an expensive kill spell, what next?

>>48858720
I don't think anyone has played Slash Panther in years.

>>48857448
>she's now the government so she's white, doesn't matter that blue does law too and fit her conniving tactical bitch personality much better.

The blue part of her was the fact she was abusing the law and succession rules in order to rapidly amass power. Now that has all the power, I assume we will see her switch from manipulating the law to her benefit and simply create oppressive laws to her benefit.

>>48858596

Not the same guy but i'm gonna test him out asap in Grixis Thieves. Also it's not just creatures you destroy with the second mode but you can destroy Artifacts as well. Do not forget that those 1/1 Artifact Creatures you +1 with also count towards Tolarian Academy mana counts. Last but not least I have no problems stealing their artifacts with Dack Fayden and then using Daretti myself to destroy another one of their artifacts.

Theres going to be a new Muzzio, right guys?

>>48845477
I wish this color shifted to white.

>>48855360
Bazaar isn't banned.

>>48858830
Shops decks run 2-4.

>>48857360
Brisela's legendary, and hanweir melds as an activated ability, but I suppose you could equip this to something then switcheroo it over to make them exile their graf rats, if you really must.

>>48859436
>I suppose you could equip this to something then switcheroo it

>both own and control

>>48859339
They sure as fuck do not and have not at any semi-recent event.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=2995&d=218958&f=VI

This was the last time Slash Panther made a top 8 in MUD, in 2012.

>>48859339
Since when? And why?
>>48859866
Dude, thankyou. I thought I was losing it.

>>48860010
It was to kill Jace the turn he came out.

>>48859866
>>48858720
Even if decks were currently running Slash Panther, being able to kill a haste Creature at Sorcery speed doesn't make for a great argument.

>>48849364
When that card got released I was for a very long time convinced that there was a UB Tempo deck in modern where that guy would be the star.

My conclusion is that giving opponent the card first is the biggest flaw. Some newer symmetric drawing effects have adressed this.

>>48860117
>My conclusion is that giving opponent the card first is the biggest flaw.

Take a moment and try again.

>>48851177
Inkwell, Blightsteel and Myr Battlesphere are all valid options if you know what you're up against.

Inkwell
>dies to Wraths, Hurkyls and not much else
>3 turn clock

Battlesphere
>dies to wrath, good against other removal
>hard castable
>2 turn clock without chump blockers, very slow against chump blockers

Blightsteel
>dies to Swords, Hurkyls and Jace
>disaster against Dack
>1 turn clock or 2 turn against chump blockers

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>>48860143
Oh wow. Stop giving me hope, it's still shit.

>>48860112
What is relevant is the fact that he hits Monastery Mentor and Young Pyromancer.

>>48851177

Hardly anyone runs Blightsteel anymore as the Tinker target. It's mostly Inkwell Leviathan and Sphinx of the Steel Wind so it doesn't get hit with a Swords to Plowshares or stolen by Dack Fayden.

>>48860386
That is simply not true.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13157&f=VI

Literally 19 days ago, the last major Vintage event and three decks in the top 8 with a Blightsteel Colossus.

On the contrary I haven't actually seen Inkwell Leviathan or Sphinx of the Steel Wind in awhile.

>>48860386

Sphinx of the steel wind does get hit by swords to Plowshares, just not Dack fayden

>>48860426

To be fair, he may have just not found a copy for the deck. There's probably a small decline in the Grixis based control decks as of late as there's probably more Gush Mentor and Eldrazi shops deck floating about now.

>>48860488

Yes anon, i'm well aware of that. I'm pretty sure that could have been implicitly derived when you look at the cards side by side. I have been playing those cards and the deck for a while you know. Some of us aren't bad at Magic you know.

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>>48857593
>>48851545

>>48845237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyAP6PpAzK8

>>48854560
This is bait right?

>>48861281
No shit

>>48861077
Don't Hug Me I'm Scared decks when? Sketchpad clearly runs hatebears.

>>48851146
I kind of like inkwell just because my friend had it in a braids deck a while ago and I liked playing it because it was big and I thought shroud was a cool effect.

Also being a primary green player a 7/11 with trample was also neat.

>>48849364
Nekusar

>>48851545
hosed by bile blight type effects. This dude is totally right about synergy >>48854834 of course.

>>48861790
>draw

>>48848993
lol, the flavor text

Are multiplayer formats typically slower? I would think so as an aggro deck that spends resources to end the game ASAP would run out of resources and wouldn't be able to take out all opposing players. And in slower formats, you can of course have a higher mana curse for things like >>48848013 .

I guess there could be a melee aggro deck though. Melee is cool.

>>48861811
for some reason I thought he punished a large hand size

>>48861855
curve not curse.

>>48861855
>Are multiplayer formats typically slower?
By definition, yes.

>>48861887
I meant by how many turns a player takes (probably not counting extra turn effects). Not how many minutes the game takes.

>>48861863
Not really, accept for Wheel effects.

>>48861901

Yes.

By a lot

>>48861911
>accept
Meant except, fucking phone.

>>48846517

i know youre joking, but now im wondering if it would even get played. the gitrog crucible deck thats looking to cast a do nothing on t3 then a giant reflector mage target on t5? and then emrakul still goes over the top.

it would be a 1 of in bg delirium maybe but dedicated crucible decks wouldnt be a thing at all

>>48846517
Evolving wilds, crucible of worlds, landfall.
once you get the crucible out and have an evolving wilds you can have trigger landfall twice per turn until you run out of basics in your library.

>>48861965
That remains not a strong effect.

They barely even printed decent landfall cards and there remain better ways to ramp in standard right now.

>>48857355

holy shit do you even play magic?

>>48849364

man i remember thinking this was bad when it was printed but holy shit that card is terrible

seriously wtf?

>>48851319

holy shit man i could look in a random box i havent touched in years and pull out more than 1500 in commons

not trying to be mean its just crazy to me

>>48849364
Each player gets the effect. It can work to your favor if your curve is aggressive, which might not work out in multiplayer. Even if everyone is drawing the same quality of cards and loosing the same amount of life, you always get to use your card first assuming everyone draws a card that is sorcery speed.

Also it is a 4 mana 4/4 with flying, which is great. Not sure how bad being 2 colors makes it.

I think it will be viable in limited.

>>48862384
Honestly I probably have more than I said, but I can only guarantee $500-$1000 from my collection because it's mostly unsorted.

>>48862446
Well for starters this is a reprint.

While each players does in fact get one card, it's important to note that the players trying to kill you cumulatively get n cards, where n is the number of players trying to kill you whereas you only get one card.

>>48862670
Would you kill the guy drawing you cards?

>>48862689
If he had a 4/4 flyer that was making me lose life every turn I would be trying my very best to kill him very hard.

>>48862670
They are trying to kill each other too aren't they?

>>48862728
>but anon, it hits all of us! Everyone gets cards!
You would not believe how often that works.

>>48862731
A bomb rare in multiplayer draft that indiscriminately starts killing everybody is a pretty good target if there ever was one.

>>48862735
Yeah people are retarded, that won't be changing with the release of CN2 unfortunately.

>>48851545
combos with Now I Know My ABC's.

>>48859261
Nope! Draft matters cards are colored now. No avenue for incredibly large amounts of artifact creature crds.

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>>48864429
Card draw for any vaguely defensive red.

I like.

>>48864412
So Daretti gains black and Grenzo loses it? The fuck?

>>48864412
Grenzo is the best, he even works well with his past self.

>>48864442
Yeah that was really odd, esp given the UR from yesterday.

>>48864468
The main reason I could buy Daretti being R/B was because he was allying with Grenzo. That's out the window now.

>>48864438
>>48864456
So, they actually work together, or you have to guess before?

>>48864502
grenzo was the one really acting R/B

FUCK. Did wizards make a typo wiht their mana costs...goddamn.

>>48864456
strictly better than Storm Crow