>love is the strongest force in the universe

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>>48832329
Can a god of love be stoic, /tg/? Been making a god like that but I don't know if it's too "unrealistic" or snowflaky.

>>48832329
>love is the strongest force in the universe
>that love is eros rather than agape
Plebs, plebs everywhere

>>48832329
>drain love from the universe
>use it to generate electricity

>>48832329
>brainwash people to love eachother unconditionally
>create amore-based power plant
>save the world

>>48832329
Yes, yes it is.

>>48832658
>>48833145
Grimdark go home.

>>48832408
Just because you don't wear your heart on your sleeve doesn't mean you don't feel deeply, Anon. It can work.

>>48832658
Kyubey is that you?

>>48832329
>Love is conserved, never destroyed
>Bitter dictator begins systematic genocide of humanity, finds he can't finish when he sees the last remaining man and woman on earth clutching at each other
>He kills himself, unable to live with what he's done
>With all the love in the world, the couple create a fantasy realm to replace their now - shattered world, rather than save themselves, and die holding each other in their arms
>The new world, bright and brilliant, will never know of their sacrifice

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>>48833537
Sweet

>>48832329
Well yeah, man. God, after all, is love. you'd know this if you've ever been in love.

Love is the choice to give of yourself so that the object of your love may have what it so desperately needs.
In my mind, a love deity could be stoic like >>48832408 and >>48833537 suggest, or better yet, two people, since there is no lover without a beloved: a man and woman, engaged in a constant give-and-take. His dick might be inside her 24/7

>>48832408
I'd like more inventive love gods myself.
>>48832614
I made ur mum's ass agape last night

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>>48832329
>Iove is the strongest force in the universe
>it is a force that I will never experience

>>48832329
Duh.
Didn't you see Interstellar?
MATT DAMON DIED FOR YOUR SINS.

>>48836290
I love you anon.

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>>48836290
>Thought I had someone to love
>They talked shit about me behind my back

>>48832329
You misspelled gravity

>>48836393
*powered by love

>>48836290
I experienced it
it was great until it was gone, at which point it just made me hurt
not really worth it in the end desu

What you're thinking of is gravity. Love is nice and all, but the universe can go on without love. Gravity in the other hand holds everything together.

>>48836486
>>48836393
Gravity is the weakest of the elemental forces, nigga. Even the weak nuclear force is stronger than gravity. Gravity is the Balrog of forces - technically super powerful, but ultimately just a stepping stone to bigger and badder guys.
>The more you know

You need to love yourself first before someone else can love you

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>>48836586

The Narcisist's Creed

>>48836544
The less you know

>>48836544
What can you do with love? Don't go HFY on me and say "destroy planets" or some shit. Gravity CREATED the planet, humans created a social construct called "love" that we use to explain our instincts to reproduce and care for direct family and the clan.

>>48836588
I'm not really sure what that image is meant to convey
is it meant to be disbelief or just abject depression?

>>48836469
Fuck that. Love is amazing.

It gives you strength and misery. It makes you passionate and resentful. It can consume your life to the point that nothing else matters anymore. Or it can make you think that nothing was worth it in the first place.

It's a punch you can't see coming, but also an explosion you want to dive head first into.

It's so powerful it can make new life, and it burns so hot that it can make you want to take the lives of others.

Love is an eternal constant for our species and many others, and without it we would be nothing.

>>48836647
>all love is eros, storge and philia

>>48836586

This

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>>48836731

I love this picture so fucking much

>>48836647
Just like we created the illusion of free will and the self to justify actions, friend?
Or at least that's where that rabbit hole leads towards.
It's funny because if I were to walk up and tell someone 'they' don't actually exist, they'd call me an ambulance, but it would probably get a round of applause if given in a university lecture hall.
I stopped bothering with the vast majority of philosophy a while back because every new explanation just gets weirder and less intuitive.
Simply living my life saves me a lot of grief.

>>48836710
Fuck that. Love is more than ephemeral extremes and paltry passions that are as transient as we are.

It gives you your daily bread and then tells you to give it to someone hungrier.

It gets you through the arguments and backbiting and squabbling for power that plague any and every human interaction.

It's patient and kind. It delights not in evil, but rejoices in the truth.

Always hoping, always trusting, always protecting, always lasting til the very end and beyond.

If you don't have love, you don't have anything worth having. If you have love, everything you have is worth having.

>>48836840
Most philosophers are wankers, desu senpai

>>48836731
>>48836794
It's such a wonderful punch to a smug cunt's face.

>>48836867
>It gives you your daily bread and then tells you to give it to someone hungrier.

>It gets you through the arguments and backbiting and squabbling for power that plague any and every human interaction.

>It's patient and kind. It delights not in evil, but rejoices in the truth.

You don't actually know what love is do you.

>>48836921
Not everyone grows up in a broken home, anon

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>>48832329
Can love bloom on the tabletop, /tg/?

>>48836710
love is a good thing while it's reciprocated, and when it burns out all it does is sap your will to live and lead to hurting
love isnt this be all end all that you and that other guy make it out to be, it's a facet of human relationships that people make a gigantic deal out of because they're under the sway of hormones and chemicals in the brain

>>48837016
I wish it would, I've been single for 6 years

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>>48836647

You have yet to love beyond your ken. But you aren't a horrible human being, are you, Anon?

You're just hurt, and scared, because that's how the world works; you loved at some point, and it hurt you, didn't it? You opened your heart and it got filled with a mountain of cynicism and pain.

But you never really ceased to love, you just decided that hiding behind your definitions and your science to explain a phenomenon that we already know but try to arbitrarily explain in an attempt to remove the magic from it, unaware that even if we do so it does not cease in its beauty.

It tells us to protect our clan?

Then our clan is all humanity.

It is a social construct?

Then let us make something great.

You are loved, Anon, even if you can't love yourself.

>>48837037
I wonder if there are stores that do singles night.

>>48836906
Yes
Especially since I am a smug cunt

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

>>48837098
You mean every night?
HEYOOOOOOOO

>>48837084

Ugh I forgot that fucking story.

So fucking goooood

>>48837011
>Projecting.
>Abandoning critical thinking for a pathetic gotcha attempt.
lelkek

>>48837031
You need to get laid my dude.

>>48837098
Only guys will show up, because the girls will know that only thirsty guys will show up and want to avoid that crowd.
Same reason a club may not let you in because there's no girls in your crew.
>>48837161
Not projecting, I grew up in a stable two-parent household that raised me right, unlike most of my friends

>>48837161
>>Abandoning critical thinking for a pathetic gotcha attempt.


This is good. I'm going to use this on people. Thank you, anon.

>>48837183
lel

We're not your friends anon.

>>48837215
You're right, you're not.
I love you guys anyway

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>>48837084
I'm on 4chan and SOMEONE has to make the fedora comment. Besides, willpower is the strongest force in the universe since it premeditates every action and powers these guys.

>>48836731
>chemicals are capable of telling anything
Why are people so dumb?

>>48837203
Glad to be of service my man.

>>48837227
I love you more!

>>48837238
Because chemicals. No, nitrogen is not a chemical. It's an element.

>>48837238
All you are is a product of Chemicals Anon. Love is a chemical reaction, but so is the rest of you.

>>48837183

...you are projecting what your friends are on the Anon...

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>>48837148
Oh, you~

>>48834187
>"thinkin' of fast"

>>48837238
The phrase is referring to the brain operating through neurotransmitters and shit. If thought, reason and logic are just the brain firing off synapses with no actual intelligence behind it, then isn't the conclusion of such irrelevant, since you used thought, reason and logic to reach that conclusion? DD is saying that the only reasonable answer is that reason is unreasonable.

>>48837271
The analogy is flawed. The toaster consists of atoms, just like us. Yet the toaster does not think, but we do. Does the atom think? Does the atom expect us to believe in it? No. The atom just is, or isn't. There is nothing hypocritical here, and mickey can go fuck himself. The arrangement of atoms as in the human brain in certain patterns will emulate thought, and by the virtue of the existence of atoms, so does thought.

>>48837233

I'm >>48837084 this person; how is what I said even approaching Fedora?

Do I even want to know?

>>48837233

>love other people for the good of humanity
>you should love yourself
>fedora comment

Are you just using it like a buzzword?

>>48837410
>Does the atom think? Does the atom expect us to believe in it?
In Ender's Game, the smallest unit of matter, called a philote, is in fact sentient. The strongest philotes either turn into the central philote of a massive object (like a planet) or into the central philote of an intelligent being (like a human, or the Formic Queens).

>>48837359
But the very chemicals my brain consists of has no motivation to lie to me, it is meaningless to ask me to place trust in existence

>>48837410
What metric do we have to consider the toaster as incapable of thought, though? I mean, it's not like us, and it doesn't operate in a manner similar to us, but isn't deriding it's capacity to potentially have sentient thought fall into a 'Attempting to Prove a Negative' fallacy?

And how are we aware the Atom itself is not necessarily aware?

>>48837514
It's a figure of speech you fucking autist. It's not about talking chemicals, it's about the validity of rational thought when everything is assumed to have irrational causes.

>>48837554
Thats dumb. How can you even ask the question in the first place without it? What is the alternative?

>>48837613
The alternative is you can't actually function like this in day-to-day life so philosophers make the excuse that we have to pretend like free will and independent thought exist anyway. It's a belief that by definition cannot be practiced.

>>48837514
>But the very chemicals my brain consists of has no motivation to lie to me,

Yes they fucking do. They lie to you all the damn time.

>>48837640
What does that even mean? Who is pretending here?>>48837642
No they don't. Please explain what you mean.

>>48837746
Okay so you wake up tomorrow morning. You have a job to go to, and you have a red uniform and a blue uniform, either is fine with the boss, as long as its a uniform.
A regular person says "I like red, so I'll wear the red uniform today" and puts the red uniform on.
The philosopher says "I don't really have a choice in the matter, because my mind is conditioned to like the color red, therefore I am predisposed to want to wear the red uniform and so I'll probably wear that one. But this is exhausting and I'm going to be late for work so whatever" and puts the blue uniform on.

>>48837828
But some Philosophers also say, "Fuck the system, fuck colors, and fuck the boss most especially," and promptly set themselves ablaze to realize their radical freedom in the universe.

Typically by killing themselves.

That's not a joke.

>>48837861
You're thinking of Buddhists. Philosophers make sure to write a book before offing themselves.

>>48837901
I always figured Buddhism was a particular Eastern Philosophy. Isn't it?

>>48837828
Ok, I think im getting it now. Even if you conclude that life is meaningless, wait no, I dont get it. Either he had a choice or not, which one is it? Is this about determinism suddenly? Because QM is a thing, and its stochastic. I get that just because life is meaningless you dont have to go on a narcisstic killing spree, but I dont see why that is hypocritical. Or, if it is, then hypocritical isn't really a bad thing in my mind.

>>48837918
It's so Eastern it started in India then moved to China and Japan.

>>48837746

Candy, fast food, drugs, chemicals will tell you that you need these things when you don't. Hell, chemicals will tell you that you want these things when you don't.

And that's not getting into stuff like adrenaline and other shit that's your body saying "don't worry, everything is fine" when it very clearly is not.

>>48837938
The main idea is that the only way to operate as a human being in the world in any time period and location is to operate on the assumption that you can make your own choices. The philosophy being discussed says "You cannot make your own choices, because choice doesn't exist". Of course, the people who come up with this theories need to put food on the table, so they say that the only response is to try to ignore the theory and just live your life.

>>48838008
but sometimes I might need them, and sometimes I might not. We are not here because the chemicals in our brain were "lying", its natural selection and all that. Its extremely lazy and technically incorrect to say that my brain is lying to me. These chemicals do not have an intention, genes are not "selfish" as dawkins wrote, it was just done so to make morons accept certain ideas without having to get a phd of their own.

>>48838140
>but sometimes I might need them, and sometimes I might not

Yeah, so you don't just mindlessly listen to them because they lie to you.

> Its extremely lazy and technically incorrect to say that my brain is lying to me
> Extremely lazy

Maybe for a brain scientist or somebody who is dedicating to perfectly understanding how the brain works. That ain't me tho.

>>48832329
>Love is the strongest force in the universe.
Then I am in fact quite weak...

>>48837938
>hypocritical isn't really a bad thing in my mind
Not other anon, but you are now beginning to understand philosophy. Being good doesn't matter, being right does.

>>48832329
i call bullshit on OP, thats an objective lie and you know it.
love is the worst and most terrible power in the universe yes, but nowhere near the strongest.
love is only good for death and pain.

>>48836391
What part of talking about you behind your back means they don't love you?

>>48838345
I've never heard someone use the phrase "talking about me behind my back" as anything but negative gossip (is there positive gossip?)

>>48838017
You are looking at it the wrong way. The chemicals, rather, your senses etc, are misinforming you, or, you are drawing the wrong conclusions based on the information you receive.

>>48838431
Fuck wrong poster

>>48838355
>is there positive gossip

Yes

>>48838303

Turn down the edge, bro

Love is powerful not because it has direct, concrete effects on the physical world, but because it directs those with power towards ends that serve love. Love itself is a concept that encapsulates a feeling, not a force which actively affects the physical like strong nuclear force or gravity.

Strong nuclear force and gravity give context to physicality, and create the arena on which reality is played out. Love directs sapient beings (at least humans and animals) towards certain conscious and unconscious goals.

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>>48836469
This anon knows.
Love destroyed me. Now I just want to escape like never before.

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>>48832329
>The value of love has decreased do to over-saturation of the market.

>>48832658
Doesn't the mage from that Final Fantasy comic drain Love from the universe for his death beam?

>>48837233
Fuck willpower, greed is where it's at

Larfleeze for president of the galaxy

>>48840351
Black Mage from 8-Bit Theater is the one you're thinking of.

>>48836290

>Villain is one who loved and lost and just wants to love again

>>48832408

If it's selfless and considerate and such, just not lovey dovey emotionally, then yes.

>>48832614
>greeks had so much autism they had to separate "love" into categories

>>48832329
Don't tell Zoph Escher.

>>48840370
He's also the god of Fathers, and Defence of the Home. (extra titles: god of fertility, virility,monogamy, romance, and children). Though, can a stoic god be romantic?

>>48836391
If I talk about someone behind their back it's beacuse I either

A) hate them so fucking mutch that even a confrontation would be total agony

B) I don't want to hurt their feelings because I like the person but not everything they do

If they hang out with you AND talk behind your back they probably like you a little bit anon

>>48840353
But there's only one Orange Lantern. Larfleeze is, unironically, too greedy to be greedy anyone else.

>>48840414
*with

>>48832329
Are you saying that protons and neutrons love each other?

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>>48832329
>Love
>not Time

When the oceans have boiled away and the mountains ground to dust. When the bleached bones of the living lie in the endless sands. When the sun goes cold and dark, and the stars slip away one by one. When the last light in the universe sputters out pathetically, and physical space is nothing more than an eternal, dusty void.

Where will Love be then?

>>48832329
In one of my games, the main villains were space kraken aliens that wanted to use the Power of Friendship to build doomsday weaponry, so they came to Earth and kidnapped people (because they thought it was only HUMAN friendships that had power). Then again, that was a Time Wizards session, so that's expected.

>>48834134
This is going to be the backstory to some setting or another I run.

Could love then be weaponized?

Could there be love mages,ruthlessly exploiting their feelings for others in order to bring themselves (and their loved ones) greater power and glory?

Like, couples of mages just fucking loving the shit out of each other and getting increasingly stronger because of it?

All these mother fuckers keep confusing love with sex and sexual partners.

>>48844013
>Could love then be weaponized?
Wars

Could someone post that cap on why our wars are fueled by our hateboners?

>>48842985
It will be waiting.

>>48842985

Oh anon.

How can bones and the sun and the ocean do all those things when you're not even there to see them? How can time be there when you're not there to interpret every moment?

>>48844054
I'm talking straight up an entire school of magic revolving around taping into love power.

Love bolts,love blasts, love shields

Hell we can even have love paladins and love knights. We got an untapped source of energy here friends.

>>48832408
A god doesn't need to be some overly literal embodiment of its domain, so sure.

Venus was a goddess of love and by all accounts she was a bit of a bitch who just slept around a lot.

Love is good for humans, not much else.

>>48844080
Because love is bound to us and just like us it is just a blink of an eye in the cosmic timescale.

>>48844204

Well look at Fredrich Neiche over here.

>>48832408

>no being in existence can ever love him the way he would and does love them
>he know this, and is constantly profoundly aware of this because his lordship over his domain let's him know exactly the measure of love in every heart
>this has utterly crushed him
>he's the god of love, but himself condemned to remain forever alone or settle for someone who doesn't love him remotely as much as he loves them and just pretend not to notice
>he just crushes it down and gets back to work, bringing other people's hearts together and not letting a single tear roll down his face
>guiding people to love makes them happy and letting them see his tears wouldn't
>and making them all happy is what he wants
>he loves them after all

>>48844215
First of all it's Friedrich Nietzsche, anon.
Second, so what? Is Love not worth it for you if it isn't eternal? Isn't it that BECAUSE love is fleeting we should savor it?
Third: Of course it isn't eternal, but so aren't we. Love may one day be gone. But it is also the day that we will be gone so who will then care about it missing?

>>48836469
>>48840117

Fuck you, weak little bitches.

Love is the greatest force, real or imaginary.

>>48844456
imaginary

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>not engulfing all genuine emotions in countless layers of irony until your true self is unknown even to yourself

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>>48844314

what is love

>>48845080
baby don't hurt me

>>48845101
don't hurt me

>>48845126
No more

>>48844314
Can... Can I give the god of of love a hug and tell him everything's going to be okay?

>>48844314
But why does he love?

>>48837238
You are made of chemicals. You are a big chemical system. But you are able to tell things and post on 4chans. See?

>>48832329
Motivation is the most powerful force in the universe, and love is powerful motivation.

>>48844060
Waiting for who?

There's no one left. Everyone is dead.

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>>48832329
No, Tom Bombadil is

That's the Strong Nuclear Force you're thinking of, OP. Easy mistake.

>>48846214
I may be incorrect, but isn't dark matter eventually going to rip subatomic particles apart?

>>48846310
Nobody actually knows, anon. The Big Rip is a theory.

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>>48844314
Why give me feels this early, Anon?

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>>48832408
>He is the god of old and matured love as opposed to young puppy love
>He is generally depicted as the dutiful husband and loving father, but also as the friendly neighbor, the loyal companion and the defiant guardian
>He realizes that love does not make one blind to the flaws of others, nor does it soften their flaws: au contraire, it makes those flaws are the more obvious and irritating
>He groans in frustration when his wife repeats the same joke over and over, he shakes his head in disappointment when his son acts like a coward, and he sighs in anger when he has to carry his drunk friend home... again
>But he will let his wife repeat the same joke to her hearts content, he will patiently support his son and he will carry his friend back home when he's too drunk to even stand
>His love is not the hot, fiery and fleeting love of youth
>His love is like a diamond: cold, but no less intense and no less beautiful for it

>>48844358

hey bro i know all about neetshee bro

and time is relative too bro

the concept of time wouldn't exist without us measuring it to begin with.

haven't you heard the phrase "love to the end of time"? because when you die you stop loving, but time ends for your relative self too

so does that mean love is as immortal as the concept of time itself?

>>48846739
no, it means you should lay off the weed
and that solipsism is a pretty shitty worldview

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>>48846649
>tfw the chaotic evil clerics try to weaken his position by making NTR more popular.

>>48832329
What about anger and sorrow?

>>48840376
>barbarians are so primitive that their language has no subtlety and nuance, and the scope of their experience is shallow and trite.

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>>48846970
Don't worry, he has a fittingly stoic solution to that scenario.

>>48846739
this

>>48847004
Even the Greeks knew that no words would ever be sufficient enough to describe the metaphysical feelings they were trying to convey. We make the mistake of believing that these words define the experiences, and that in fact cheapens them.

>>48846096
Not waiting for someone. Waiting for something.

I'm surprised nobody posted that page in 8 bit theatre where Black Mage describes the source of his hadokens power.

It was a great example of how love can be a powerful force, and how evil people can use it.

>>48836647
>implying love isn't the dark energy
Boy, you have a lot to learn

>When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.

There can be no mutual love, only hatelove.

>>48848590
Ah, so love is the reason why the expansion of the universe continues to accelerate and why at some point there will be no more stars in the night sky.
Fascinating

>>48848740
Yes. Because, you see, love is always accompanied by fear of losing the Other. And it's the fear that will eventually tear us all apart.

>>48846649
Good ideas

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Love? What has love ever wrought but suffering and death?
The very idea of it being the strongest force in the universe is so incalculably cruel that I refuse to accept it.
Love steals men's souls, and makes them its slave. It has its servants hound those that seek to live without it.
If there was one thing so ultimately despicable in this world, it would be love. And that is why I will destroy it.

The true strongest force in the universe is long-winded villain speeches.

>>48844314
Shamelessly stealing this.
Thanks anon.

>>48838355
For a long time in high school, I was considered one of the cutest boys in my class. Girls talked about me behind my back all the time saying I was cute. I had no clue and went all of high school feeling like undesirable shit.

So, yeah, positive gossip exists.

>>48850474
I like this image. There's something cute about it.

>>48850560
Me,too. Wish the drawfag would come back.

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>>48832329
>Love
>Implying its not Anger

So powerful that it can kill you

Love can't do that.

>>48844314
Other than not letting people see him cry, you've just described the Christian conception of God

>>48840394
>Though, can a stoic god be romantic?
I imagine the orc from the orc-and-lewd-elf comic could be pretty romantic, in his own way.
His romance is letting you know you can count on him, a strong tower in a storm, a shield from danger, a wall to lean on.

>>48846649
I love everything about this

>>48848719
You do realize that when a force acts upon a body with 10 Newtons of force, the body doesn't react westwards with -10 Newtons of force, right? The nature of the force doesn't change - just the direction.

>>48849452
PERHAPS THE SAME COULD BE SAID OF ALL EMOTIONS

>>48852921
Awww, that's sweet.

>>48853053
YOUR WORDS ARE AS EMPTY AS YOUR HEART! MANKIND ILL NEEDS A LOVER SUCH AS YOU

>>48853618
WHAT IS A MAN!?

A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF FEELINGS!

BUT ENOUGH TALK, HAVE AT YOU!

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>>48844456
you love someone for 8 years and tell me how you feel.

>>48837016
Love can bloom anywhere anon.

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>>48857444
NOT IN MY NIGHTMARES IT CAN'T

>>48857516
Become a lucid dreamer anon, make your nightmares into wet dreams.

>>48857775
>stupid sexy skeletons

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>>48836469
Just because you aren't happy right now doesn't invalidate the happiness you felt back then, you can experience that happiness again, you just need the will to take it for yourself. Just because people can hurt you doesn't mean they won't also make you happy, seeking to avoid the pain of human interaction will only invite the even greater pain of loneliness without the joy of love to balance it.