Dawn of War III Interview

>>48829670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qatd9xyp3Wo

The other video this guy uploaded.

this game exists to rip the assets and import them into tabletop simulator

>>48829670
They wanted to make the visuals look like tabletop which is kind of cool I have to say and the gameplay stream from the mission they showed looked fun as hell, but I guess you are from /v/ and you will hate it anyway

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>>48829670
Is it just me or does this interview mange to answer every question while not really answering it at all?

Like with the visuals they kind of sidestep it. Sure Space Marines do want to be seen, hence why they have bright color schemes and shit. But that doesn't excuse the fact that the marines look bloody pristine.

I mean you can still have a bright color scheme and still look gritty, take pic related for example (color is a bit muted, but I say my point still stands).

And don't even get me started on their justification for the terminator leaps. It's like those guys think we're still in 1st Edition or something.

>>48830270
>I mean you can still have a bright color scheme and still look gritty
I think that DoW 2 already managed to do that.

>>48830257
How does removing details that make them look like they are on a battlefield resemble anything like the Tabletop? Fact is that while the minatures can look that way, there is also the fact that this is a game bringing the setting to life. Sure you can make them more stylized, there is nothing wrong with that in of itself, but the reasons given to justify the lack of things that existed in the previous games don't really hold much water.

>the gameplay stream from the mission they showed looked fun as hell
Subjective, but okay, but even if "looked fun" that doesn't change the fact that the gameplay is radically different from what most people expected from a Dawn of War game. And the fact that they titled this "Dawn of War III" there is a certain expectation that it will be similar to the previous titles (most people wanted I but with II visuals, which is obviously not what we got).

Fun looking out not, it is clear that a lot of people watched it and were displeased because they didn't think it was the Dawn of War they wanted.

>using the "you're from /v/ argument"
Why thank you omniscient anon, clearly your all knowing self is correct and I should just ignore every single issue that bothers me about the game and just use pre-order the hell out of it regardless of how it turns out to be. Because that is a smart as fuck way of looking at things.

>>48830333
Not really, DoW2 had brow colors all around and the gameplay was pretty much company or heroes
>>48830270
To be fair, he is using Tartarus which was made for locomotion and mobility, while the other terminators just smash things really hard Angelos can do his other stuff

>>48830390
>Most people wanted 1 but with 2 visuals
This is honestly it, same cover system as one, base building is also back and so forth, people are just complaining because the graphic style is not "muh grim and gritty"

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>>48830333
Exactly, which is what bothers me so much. They nailed the aesthetic of the setting almost perfectly with Dawn of War 2. So I was hoping that they would up the scale a bit, and improve what was already a good graphics design with this iteration.

But instead it seems like they are deliberately taking a step back, and I can't say their reasons for it make much sense. Since this is supposedly early footage I'm hoping they will add more detail later on, but right now I can't say I'm very optimistic personally.

Especially them saying that people will somehow mistake assault terminators with regular tactical marines sounds like a somewhat flimsy excuse. I think the units stand out from one another enough as is.

>>48830390
>And the fact that they titled this "Dawn of War III" there is a certain expectation that it will be similar to the previous titles

DoW 1 and 2 had totally different gameplay. Why should they suddenly feel beholden to some notion of consistency that they obviously never cared about?

>>48830507
DoW 1 was a RTS while DoW 2 was some kind of strange proto Moba thing, this actually looks like a RTS like Warcraft 3 was

>>48830441
I mean in the second video they also talk about the removal of sync-kills and the dynamic movement system.

While the return of base building and such is nice, what's worrying isn't really the visual direction (which can easily be changed as time goes on) but rather the justifications they are giving for the changes.

I wasn't too worried about the game as others were, since I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say early footage is early.

But with this interview I can't help but worry about the direction they are taking this game. Since it doesn't sound like they are recreating Dawn of War I, but trying to appeal to people who aren't Dawn of War fans.

Personally I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, which is sad because this will the first time I won't play a DoW game on launch.

>>48830507
Radically different gameplay styles, but it was a clear experiment by Relic to see if more CoH style gameplay could work with DoW. And it did for the most part, and still maintained a lot of what made DoW I unique.

This is technically closer to the feeling of DoW I in terms of gameplay, but it is also removing a lot that made the series standout from other RTS games (besides the license of course).

>>48830549
>DoW 1 was a RTS
>basebuilding is RTS even in a setting and with factions that do not use such things ever
Fucking Halo Wars was shit but at least didn't shit on the lore of the factions involved to appeal to grognards' basebuilding fetish.

>>48830575
>Removal of sync-kills
I agree that this was not necessary but it would have been better if it was a feature that you could turn on and off but the reasoning they gave to responsiveness while makes sense still doesn't feel like something they should do
>Dynamic movement system
Only DoW 2 had that, DoW 1 didn't because it used the same cover system as 3, so I can see why

>>48830613
>and still maintained a lot of what made DoW I unique.
Are you crazy ? The large scale warfare was gone, the Custom loadlouts for squads too and gameplay was pretty much a tug war to see who could get nodes

>>48830396
>To be fair, he is using Tartarus which was made for locomotion and mobility, while the other terminators just smash things really hard Angelos can do his other stuff
no, he's using cataphractii, the least mobile of the terminator patterns

>>48830623
I am sorry that you can't play strategy games non, maybe mobas are more your type

>>48830685
The GW app said it was Tartarus so I don't know man

>>48829670
Okay, question here. The guy being interviewed keeps saying they want units to "stand out". But did anybody even have that issue?

I mean even for someone who was unfamilar with 40k would have been able to tell an assault marine from a tactical marine pretty easily. So I don't really understand why that's such a focus for them.

IMO Dawn of War 3 should have been the gameplay of Dawn of War 2, with the unit sizes of Dawn of War 1. You could even make it realistic to the fluff, like have space marines be OP as fuck, but you only get a small amount of them so they can get zerg'd to death to counter their nature as elite units. It'd satisfy fans of both games as people who like blob armies could play Guard, Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos Cultists.

Meanwhile fans of dawn of war 2's small elite unit gameplay could play Chaos and Loyalist Marines, Eldar, etc.

>>48830744
You could that this is the opposite of what everyone wants right ? The most popular mods are ultimate apocalypse and Firestorm because people want large scale battles, and it's impossible to do that with only one base and minimal resources

>>48830396
>>48830685
>>48830708
Yeah I recall them saying it was Tartarus too (just has cataphractii shoulders for some reason). But even then, while Tartarus does have more mobility, it still seems like a stretch for him to be doing the flips with it.

What I found weird was that the guy was talking (in response to that question) about how they as devs had to figure out how the space marines moved. Which is a bit of a weird thing to say when there are multiple games, vast amounts of literature, and the actual TT rule books with fluff describing how they worked in motion.

Just odd he would use that as a justification when we have a lot of other material describing quite thoroughly how hampering Terminator armor is to movement.

>>48830785
Ever since the footage of DoW III actually came out I've actually seen a bunch of people just asking for a remastered Soul Storm so that we can have Ultimate Apocalypse just with better assets and stability.

But yeah, the popularity of such mods show that people really want a large scale Dawn of War. But the devs seem to be using the larger scale as a justification for every change they are making. While I wouldn't go so far as to say they are lying about that, I do think they are being a bit disingenuous since I doubt that alone was responsible for so many of their decisions.

>>48830691
There is more to strategy than basebuilding.
I'd venture that basebuilding is simply one of the easier ways to make "strategy" in a video game, and is popular for that reason, a sacred cow people are too scared to slay.

>>48829684
So apparently they are using focus groups as a basis for a lot of their decisions?

I mean, not really unheard of obviously, but a bit weird since there were already two games in the series. You'd think they would rely less on focus groups when they already had an established playerbase to base their ideas on.

>>48831056
>established playerbase
To be fair, the games are already old as fuck and DoW 2 turned a lot of people away because it was not like DoW1

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>no sync kills
>no Knight shoulder checking Wraithknights in-game

>>48831171
>shows an awesome scene of a Knight diving into a Wraithknight in the trailer
>can't recreate that in the game
>left with them just shooting at each other until one blows up

Yeah, that trailer really put our expectations too high for this one.

Also instead of completely removing sync-kills, couldn't they have just made it an option to turn off in multiplayer or something?

>>48830785
Large scale isn't something DOW handles well at all. People like UA but it's ultimately a fad with shit gameplay (all it is is a race to get enough resources and defend your base long enough to build a titan, then instantly win). There's zero meta to it and little balance either.

>>48831171
They did say that they are implementing sync kills in other ways, like the dreadnought punching units back and Angelos skills, so I bet that some skills will have different animations on certain enemies

>>48831255
>>ultimately a fad
A fad that has been going strong for 5 plus years, people find it fun dude and people want this, that is all that matters and it's not like Dow 1 was balance either

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All I fucking care is

Did IG officially win Soul Storm?

Does Vance Stubbs ,Castor+Merrick+Berrn, OR Sturnn return in the IG expansion

Bonus points if all 3 generals return and each one has different play styles

>>48831257
Those are not sync kills, those are knockback attacks and they have been around since the first DoW.

And I'd rather lose control over my unit for it to do something awesome for a couple of seconds than have full control over it all the time and be boring all the time.

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>>48831329

Plot twist

Its fucking Commissar Holt making a come back

>>48831151
True, but there was still a pretty big overlap, II didn't do badly at all sales wise and that was during a time where strategy games hit a bit of a low point (which has only gotten worse over the years).

Not to mention all the evidence that using focus groups isn't that good of an idea at all. So a lot of film studios (from what I hear) have been relying on them a lot less these days.

>>48831257
Those don't really sound like sync-kills, just the same kind of effects you would usually get when a large unit like a dreadnought hit smaller ones.

I somewhat understand their reasons, but what is the point of including a cool unit like a Wraithknight if I can't see it run it's sword through an orc or crush some marines in its hands?

Half the reason I even bothered to use an Avatar of Khaine in II was to see it kill (or be killed by) a Great Unclean One and get that sweet animation to play.

>>48831288
Which is a fucking horrible idea, because a small fanbase doesn't sustain a game or a company. You want to sell it to the crowd that plays strategy games, not 40k fans specifically. Making a game with shitty balance and titan creep (which is the same cancer KILLING tabletop mind you) is awful and will see the third entry die faster than either 1 or 2. If titans are added to Dawn of War, then Dawn of War needs to become something like Wargame: Red Dragon to accommodate the increase in scale.

>>48831329

>Stubbs
>Focuses on Ogyrns and baneblades

>Castor
>Focuses on Infantry and CQC combat with special support units and air drops

>Sturrn gets knights

>>48831362
what is that a clip from?

>>48831421
>putting the only man who managed to lose 100 Baneblades down the crack in his sofa in charge of them

>>48831452

Warhammer 40k Final Liberation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOi3CzZjV0M

Holts the OG video game Commissar

I would complain, but DoW II is pretty much the game I want, so I could just play that instead.
It's weird how everyone though the singleplayer was great and didn't like the multiplayer of that one though. Sure, I enjoyed the multiplayer, but in the end it's pretty much a generic action rpg while the multiplayer is pretty much unique imo. I guess it's due to "muh big battles".

a Warhammer 40'k apocalypse total war would make much more sense then this WC 3 with skins though.

>>48831522
* Sure, I enjoyed the multiplayer

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Yo I am thinking if Gorgutz and Maccha are coming back.


Is that fucking penitence crusade they sent hairgel on almost done? Fucking Gabebecomes chapter master yet this guy gets fucked over

>>48831543
God fucking dammit
* Sure, I enjoyed the singleplayer

>>48831551
Both are coming back and they did say some core characters from previous games would be on the background with speaking role.
Fun fact: apparently it's Dobson brother that is voicing gabe this time, Brian

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>>48831551

>Maccha coming back

How does it feel /tg/ your eldar waifu taldeer is DEAD

and due the eldar always getting shafted in DOW here soul gem was probally lost and shes getting fucked by slanneshi things as we speak

>>48831494
>not wanting Stubbs to find his baneblades

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>>48831675
Probably. Fuck her and fuck Ulthwe. Bllody wankers ruined everything. Again.
There is only one way to make the Eldar Empire great again, and that's to swordwind the shit out of primitives until there aren't any left.

>>48831675
Good, maybe we can bury those memes and forget about it.

>>48831741

Taldeer was a cunt she was planning on double crossing Sturrn but the fucking Mon'keigh pulled his own eldar tactics on the bitch.

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>>48831746

Anon you dont like


STHEEL REIN IN MY METAL BAWKEES

>>48831362

My body is ready!

>>48831785
Probably it wasn't the first time Sturnn had to fight alongside the Eldar.
>If Sturnn is still alive, why they sent Alexander to kill Taldeer instead?

>>48831675
Actually, in the Eldar Retribution campaign, Taldeer's brother rescues her sool jim from Daemon Prince Azariah.

WRAITHKNIGHT TALDEER MOTHERFUCKER!

>>48832150
Wouldn't she need a twin for that to happen?

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>>48832150

>Wraithknight Taldeer

My CLANG senses are tingling

>>48832150
That's not how Wraithknights work.
WARLOCK TITAN TALDEER

>>48831741
Good riddance. Memes are a cancer and so is everything that spawns them.

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Im still pissed IG are gonna be DLC

>>48832512
I hope we get proper expansion packs instead of generic faction DLC.

>>48829670
Interesting note from the mission stream they made, the dev let it slip that they 3 factions are fighting for the control of a spear, the spear or Russ maybe ?

>>48832558

>Blood Ravens are fighting to take another chapters treasured relic

This checks out.

>>48832558
I remember that the reason of the battle was for a weapon of mass destruction.

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>>48832609
>implying the 'spear' of Russ is not a weapon of mass destruction
It would also explain what Macha is doing there.

>>48832651
If she can't fuck the Emperor, she can at least fuck his son.

>>48832558

>Blood Ravens
>fighting over a relic

I see Gabe still has the chapters intentions close to heart

So are Gabriel and Macha finally gonna fuck in this game? Or is that not cannon anymore?

>>48832238
>That's not how Wraithknights work.
living pilot + soul of a twin is actually how knights work

>>48832651
The thing about this is that the last time we had any news about it, the spear was throw into Magnus eye, so I bet 10 bucks that we will be banishing demon primarchs here

>>48830955
Starcraft and starcraft 2 say hi
Basebuilding and placement are just as important as marco, micro, scouting and everything else. You remove an aspect from a game, it becomes shallow unless you add depth somewhere else. Game design 101.

>>48831151
>DoW 2 turned a lot of people away because it was not like DoW1
I'm looking for dawn of war, not dawn of squad command. Give me an army, not a kill team.

>>48831329
>Did IG officially win Soul Storm?
Lost 100 baneblades, you tell me

>>48832512
Wasn't aware of this. 100% confirmed will not purchase game on launch. Maybe later, at discount.

>>48832699

Gabe and Taldeer already fucked

Why would a fucking space marine want to "interrogate" an eldar farseerer?

>the Spear of Russ
>looked for by a Chapter that's heavily implied (if not outright stated) to be Thousand Sons descendants
>instead of, you know, the Space Wolves themselves

>>48832719
Well to be honest that was probably Kyras not Gabe doing the raping. Macha has had a crush on Gabe since the first game and the subsequent novels and vice versa. This shit is gonna happen mark my words

So whats the secret fourth faction whos is the for real bad guy gonna be?
Chaos, Necrons, or Tyranids.
OR are they actually going full Starcraft and only doing 3 factions?

>>48832710
>Basebuilding and placement are just as important as marco, micro, scouting and everything else
That's like saying every shooter game needs to limit you to 2 weapons to create tactical gameplay; you are relying on a self-justifying loop that doesn't make actual sense.
>I'm looking for dawn of war, not dawn of squad command. Give me an army, not a kill team.
Except SM DO operate as they are shown in DoW2 for the most part, highly mobile, small squads that only dig in on the rare defense, as do Eldar and in some situations, CSM.
What you want is cookie cutter rts mechanics that have existed almost unchanged for 20 years, not something that is a 40k grounded game.

I hope there are no unit caps for some factions. Drown your enemies in bodies as Orks/IG

>>48832710
Basebuilding and placement IS macro.

>>48832842
Most likely imperial guard but it could be chaos.

Is space hulk deathwing ever coming out?

>>48832965
Nope.

>>48832892
And tech and resource management.

>>48832749
The last time they saw the spear it was on Magnus only eye

>>48832842
Obviously the Blood Angels are the bad guys and the Orks are the good guys, with the Eldar being dicks to all three sides(like always).

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>>48832842

>Cyrus in full space marine
>ITS THE TYRANIDS

I don't use this word very often, it's often misused but wow.

Potato headed fucking shill

>A lot of people don't like the art style, I DO THOUGH
Space Marines don't wear camo, some are yellow, so that'as why we're moving away from muted colours to bright luminous nuclear greens, yellows and reds

>A lot of people don't like the models, I DON'T AGREE
We wanted them to walk in sync like drones because they're monks

>People are angry a Marine in a suit of Tactical Dreadnought armour can leap 30 feet into the air, spin his Thunder Hammer around like a parade baton is wrong... but I DON'T AGREE, 40K IS SILLY SO IT'S FINE
lol, well since the models are static, you can't tell how they move, and it's awesome if he jumps 30 feet in the air HAHAHA HA HA HA

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>>48833273
>lol, well since the models are static, you can't tell how they move, and it's awesome if he jumps 30 feet in the air HAHAHA HA HA HA

You, my dear nameless, time-wasting internet dweller, have no business being on /tg/ if you take 40k as seriously as you seem to do.

Large-scale Horus Heresy RTS when?

>>48833530
>nameless, time-wasting internet dweller
So... you?
>have no business being on /tg/ if you take 40k as seriously as you seem to do
???

There's a difference between rejecting a product because it doesn't fit a specific vision held by a small group of people ("It's gotta be gritty and dark and angsty and there's no fun allowed"), and rejecting a product because it doesn't fit any incarnation of its source material in tone or style ("Please stop making the pastel-coloured walking tank do flips").

>>48833691
>It's gotta be gritty and dark and angsty and there's no fun allowed
This is 40K for the majority of people, they barely know second edition

>>48833530
Warhammer is silly, but it at least has some rules in-universe that should still be abide by. Yeah we got dumb things like people in power armor wearing power armor. But having a Terminator armored individual doing ridiclous flips five times his own height is still considered to be fucking stupid. Especially when we have an absolutely massive amount of materiel that these devs should be aware of that makes the nature of terminator armor pretty explicit.

If they wanted to make him a super strong yet mobile guy, they should have just given him a jetpack; with his new cybernetics visually obvious to see.

And using fanbase jokes as your proof of 40k silliness doesn't give what you say any credence. Internet interpretations, and actual adaptation of the material are two separate things.

>>48833691
>>48833817

Aslong as we dont get the fucking Iron Warriors being disgusted at orks for mistreating human slaves grimderp levels ill be fine

>>48833273
>Space Marines don't wear camo.
The Emperor's Warbringers, the Raptors, and several other chapters, would like a word with you.

>>48833530

You think I have a problem with the Pretty Memerens? or the Angry Memerens? Or most of /tg/s oc donut 40k steel sillyness?

No.

Then again, when I'm playing my Dawn of War, of which has had two excellent installments and now I have to watch some dumbed down moba / we want the StarCraft audience decimate it. One of the Crimes being a Terminator Armoured Marine leaping into the air, as gracefully as a swooping hawk while flipping his Hammer around 5 times before slamming it down like they do in those chinese cartoons.

And when fans bring up this concern, in a way far more respectfully than I, first of all you get a bloated, sweaty giant headed man saying "40k is silly, so this is fine"

Then the Game Director says "Tabletop models are static, we don't know how they move, we want heroes to be epic for the win, so a Terminator jumping around like he has wings is awesome"

Relic clearly designed this game by committee,

>What's hot right now
Starcraft
>So we'll make the game like Starcraft

>What else is hot
Moba
>So we'll make our heroes ridiculous caricatures who do anime styled moves
should we get the same voice actor we've had for coming up to a decade?
>No, find someone cheap, in fact get Barry from accounts to do it

>What else is hot?
Bright garish loud colours, gritty is old and tired
>So we'll make the game look like everyone's wearing fluorescent paint

Yes I'm mad.

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>>48833530
Warhammer isn't silly anymore. It's completely dead serious with all humor having its throat slit and left to die int he gutter clutching its copy of Rogue Trader several editions ago.

>>48834161
I work as a beekeeper and not once before this post did I hear this many buzzwords in one place.

Congratulations, I guess.

Starcraft hasn't been "hot" in quite a while now, for starters. And the age of brown n' bloom is also long past.

And if Gabe is winning gymastics gold medals in full Terminator armor, it's because GW (you know, the guys that write, and can choose to forget, the lore) said so.
"So we have Gabe jumping around in full Terminator armor. We'll make it so that he's wearing a possibly unique pattern that allows him to do so."

Or you can use the explanation they already gave: Gabe swings the Godsplitter and both are launched into the air.

And if it makes your autism feel better, you can most likely choose Gabe's equipment. You can choose not to have him wear the Terminator armor.

>>48834356
>not reading the Regimental Standard

>>48834420
>And if Gabe is winning gymastics gold medals in full Terminator armor, it's because GW (you know, the guys that write, and can choose to forget, the lore) said so
Harry Potter is now an 18-foot horse-cocked demi-gryphon dragon with 3 different wands which he dual wields, with one in the end of his cock.
JK Rowling said so, which makes it perfectly logical and canon. No one is allowed to say "Hey, wait a minute, that's fucking retarded" because JK Rowling said so.

>>48834420
>not reading the Regimental Standard
You mean the Regimental Standard that while very funny to read in third person, would be utterly horrifying in practice as it would make Commissars more evil than Nazis given they shoot men for simply asking questions?

Regimental Standard is only funny if you don't put thought into it. When you put thought into the fridge horror and realize those "reeducation" or "report to commissar" bits would result in a soldier getting his brains blown out, it becomes concentration camp humor.

>>48834356
good

>>48834533
>it becomes concentration camp humor
Yes, yes it does. Much like the entire setting. Which is the point. Outright silliness has decreased, but the ironic, over-the-top dystopia of 2000AD is still there.

>>48834809
Which isn't silly, it's grim british humor, black humor, which is quite the opposite of whimsical humor.

>>48834809
>>48834847

So its humor then we dont need to be specific and bring realism or some shit.

>>48834847
One does not preclude the other, especially when talking about British comedy. Blackadder Goes Forth is both, for example (albeit not usually not in the same sentence), and is at times very similar in tone to 40k.
Next thing you'll tell me that Judge Dredd is not whimsical.

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>>48834847
>>48834809
>>48834925

I have known this for a while


40k fans get into arguments over the dumbest and the reasons have just been getting dumber and dumber over the years

>>48835031
People get into the dumbest arguments over inane shit all the time, welcome to humanity faggot.

>>48830955
>a sacred cow people are too scared to slay.
That's completely wrong since the trend for RTS games in the past 6 years has been to remove basebuilding

>>48835184
Which rts? The only competetive rts is sc2 these days

>>48835316
>competitive
You're bringing that word up, not me. Go wiki the list of RTS games released since 2010.

>>48830685
Can't you ride a bike on Cataphractii? :^D

>>48835349
Why the fuck would I play an rts game if its not competitive

>>48831254
>>48831171
>no Knight doing a chokeslam to a defeated Wraithknight
>no powerbombing Carnifexes
>No Backbreaking a Stormsurge
>no wrestling ever in DoW
hold me

>>48832842
Chaos and Ravens parent Legion.

This game looks like hot garbage.

The problem is that Dawn of War 3 has Knights to begin with. Titan creep is fucking cancer and why the tabletop is dying fast. 40K is not meant to have giant doom machines wandering around outside of Epic scale.

I was very disappointed with these. I agreed with nearly everything Arch mentioned in his commentary videos.

>>48836165
>Listening to the literally caricature "angry nerd guy"
Really dude ?
>>48834161
>Two excellent games
We had one great game and a horrible MOBA like game that was hot shit, this actually looks like a RTS

>>48835879
Sup /v/, why not go back to your containment bord ?

>>48832150

Taldeer had a brother?

>>48836820

Game looks like shit dude, sorry :(

>>48829670

well they're not getting my money

sync kills are the dealbreaker, this is why we can't have nice things.

>>48836820

they'll be getting his money though i bet

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>tfw we will never get an IG FPS about Storm Troopers or Scions what the ever the fuck they are
>No fox engine game about a Catachan

>>48836968
Nah, while yes the game look okay for now I look for user reviews of how the game actually is

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>>48836820

>Talking about caricature angry nerd guys as if they aren't here

>on fucking /tg/

you may be socially well adjusted but i can guarentee you you're the exception and not the rule

most everyone here is an angry nerd guy

>>48832719
Nah, Thule banged Taldeer, if anyone did.

Some comforting memories, once he's sealed in that sarcophagus for the rest of his life.

>Sync kills arent in the game
>We wont see an imperial general impale a chaos lore with his gauntlet again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4csrtUHiRYc

>>48836984
>you will never have your mission ruined by a catachan barking toad wandering into the fight

>>48836820
>I dislike something
>Better say it's something completely irrelevant that has absolutely zero bearing on the actual game

>>48834925
Blackadder Goes Forth is pretty much how I view the 40k setting.

Ill admit DOW1 had some skill death animations but

>2007 video editing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRiU2N03Rzs

>>48837093
Arch opinion is pretty much "But those changes are bad" when most of those were in DoW 1
>gameplay
cover is the same as DoW 1, basebulding is back, while sync kills being gone is a horrible Change in my opinion I can see where they are coming from with the whole "my dreadnought is stuck in a 7 seconds animation and there's stuff shooting at me" it would have been better if they just made it optional for the player
>The art style
Yeah I agree that it's goimg to be either a love it or hate it situation, I am personally meh on it because it doesn't bother me that much

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>>48834356
>Warhammer isn't silly anymore.
Warhammer is still extremely silly.

"silly" does not mean "humourous"

>>48830623
>Fucking Halo Wars was shit but at least didn't shit on the lore of the factions involved to appeal to grognards' basebuilding fetish.

*ahem*

You're mistaken. Halo Wars was shit, and Halo Wars 2 looks shittier.

>everything post-ODST is heresy
>even Reach
>especially Reach

>>48831362

About damn time.

>>48838782
>reach wasn't about red/blue teams
I'm still mad

>>48831362

Holt would be a lord commissar by now he would probably be a great edition to Stubbs entourage

>>48834847
>black humor

das racis

>>48836860
Ronahn, the ranger in Retribution's Eldar campaign.

>Pristine flat graphics
>Absurd combat animations
>Particle effect clusterfucks for every power
>Cover is now just a giant invincibility bubble
>Only three factions

I don't care. I have my heavily modded Soulstorm, which looks better and cannot possibly be matched in terms of gameplay variety and depth. This is why I wasn't upset at all by any of this beyond baseline annoyance at the mishandling of the franchise. I have no reason to care because I already have all the 40k game I'll ever need with a VERY active modding community.

>>48831401
>fans aren't important
>water the game down to appeal to the lowest common denominator

I bet you buy ever yearly edition of FIFA, don't you?

>>48839129

A Ranger huh? Id never think a person like Taldeer would be related to one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H61avI2qXic

these shit tier wraithknight animations and sounds tho

holy shit it makes me feel sick

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>>48839539

>Those Devastator marine animations

The graphics look fine but the animations look very cartoony.


Is fucking Death Wing the only hope in 40k video games now?

>>48831675

>Implying based Taldeer isn't coming back as a Wraithseer after Brohan found her spirit stone

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>>48839539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHX9T6DNq4

>Space marine special ability is literally steel rain

>>48829670
All I know. Is that if steam adds it to the dawn of war franchise pack. I just got a free game. And eventually steam will add it to the pack... eventually

>>48831746
Macha is forever our eternal virgin (smutfics clearly written by her not included)

>>48839717

>Steel Rain is an epic ability
>Gabe has a bunch of MOBA shit terms surrounded around him
>every 6th hit
>Can deflect shit if you time it correctly
>Special jump ability

I remember back in the day the failed League of Warhammer mod for DOW2 back in the day

Shit was kinda fun but I dont know what these people are planning

>>48830396
dow2 was the best dow in terms of tactics and visuals, nuffin rong 'ere m80

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>>48830390
>How does removing details that make them look like they are on a battlefield resemble anything like the Tabletop?
Not tabletop, more likely they made visual closer to modern 40k art-direction.

>>48836833

>Criticising a shitty looking game means you are from /v/

That deflection is almost as limp as the devs excuses for a shoddy art-style and bland animations.

>>48832150
>WRAITHKNIGHT TALDEER MOTHERFUCKER!
There is no wraithknights anymore.

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>>48839893

Anon there comes a time to where I am not even sure we can make every lore fag happy anymore I stopped caring after that Grey knights debacle

>>48832141
FFG's Only War confirms that Sturnn died on Lorn 5.

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>>48832141
>>48839959

what now

>>48840234
yeh Sturnn is dead since the alternative means Taldeer died but she shows up on Kronus.

>>48840381
Doesn't the Guard fight their way out of that trap though?

>>48840422
nope they get surrounded and killed since they basicly were driven into a corner with the gate closed.

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>>48840422
>>48840448

Alright


IG better have damn well won SS then I dont care what people say Stubbs was the only good general in that god awful expansion

>>48840471
they did or atleast that is most likely we have no true confimation but i do remember a dev of the game saying they won.

>>48830441
It's not the same cover system at all

>>48829670
Imperial Guard when?

I don't agree where they're headed, I don't like what I'm seeing, I don't like how they're treating the factions.

But, I'll purchase on steam. Set a timer on my phone to 1 hour 45 minutes.

Then I'll make the decision to refund or not.

I'll be honest, it looks like hot vomit at the moment, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt as I love Relic as a developer but won't hesitate to get my cash back if this plays as badly as it looks.

>>48832842
necrons.
The quote at the start of the cinematic trailer gives it away. Also, the last stand DLC.

>>48839208
well it's not done yet, is it

>>48832150
I think it was mentioned that canon ending of retribution is a mix of other races "good" endings and events.

This mean that Gabriel is chapter master(derp), eldar managed to resque Taldeer's soulstone, Thule is dead(Chaos campaign) and captin Bludflag has a hat now.

>>48841563
>Kaptin Bluddflag has a hat now
Orks really is the best, ain't they?

>>48834161
True words.

>>48830825
>What I found weird was that the guy was talking (in response to that question) about how they as devs had to figure out how the space marines moved.

He's practically referring to the fact that it is Relic who were really the first to show how the universe looks like in motion and all.
Like, Dawn of War did a lot of stuff that had nothing to do with lore simply because they were making a game in 2004... a lot of stuff doesn't behave as it should according to analog material but no one cared because they were codifying this shit.

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Everything released about DoW 3 since the initial trailer, makes it seem shittier and shittier in my eyes.
Fucking Eternal Crusade looks like a more promising game and more faithful to 40k aesthetics and lore at this point, when compared to DoW 3.

The trailer got my hopes way too high.

>>48842383
>Fucking Eternal Crusade looks like a more promising game
IT'S STILL NOT OUT YET???

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>>48842408
Supposedly it is coming out sometime this year.
Orks were added last friday to the early access.

Right now, it is basically Battlefield 40k edition, with the devs planning on expanding the game into a more open world style stuff once the core combat systems and classes have been finished.

>>48839959
>FFG's Only War confirms
FFG fluff doesn't really confirm anything. They just put whatever they want in those books.

>ITT people throwing around the word Mona without knowing what it means
Things /tg/ is fucking garbage tier at: video games, history, warfare, medieval weapons
Thank fuck for the /k/ommandos who lurk here otherwise you retards would be just as bad at modern weapons

>>48842620
>Mona
what?

>>48842430
FFG is only the only source that references the Dawn of War games and give closure to some of its parts.

So FFG goes until Relic says otherwise. Sturnn is dead.

>>48834161
>Terminators doing backflips is Starcraft-esque
t. man who has never actually played Starcraft, or even seen a video of its gameplay.

>>48834356
This isn't true really. GW maintains this blog

https://regimental-standard.com/

>>48842713
isn't he rather saying
>Terminators doing backflips is anime-esque

>>48841563
>captin Bludflag has a hat now.
A pity they're reusing Gorgutz this time. The Kaptin had grown on me quite a bit.

>>48834161
>>What's hot right now
>Starcraft
>>So we'll make the game like Starcraft

Judging by what they have released by now, this game bears no resemblance to starcraft whatsoever unless you think that building 3-4 structures somehow makes it the same.

>>48837085
>you will never catch those barking toads in cages and use them as rations(?!!!) or EXPLOSIVE LURES, MGSIII style

>>48833054
Didn't Ragnar Blackmane get the spear back from the 1k sons and return it to the shrine on Garm? Unless they managed to lose it again after that.

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>>48829670
>it's a super bright and shiny cookie-cutter RTS Grimdark Camp Bastion Simulator where hordes of generic expendable guys roam around a flat as fuck map in a giant blob standing in the open and shooting until they or the enemy fall over

And to think the trailer was so absolutely perfect in almost every way. It's a pity, I was really looking forward to it until I actually saw the game.

>>48839760
I don't think steam works that way.

>>48843728
We can always hope for an overhaul mod. But from the looks of things, it's going to be a real big overhaul.

>>48832965
>>48842684

>>48834533
You aware that the Regimental Standard is merely a continuation of the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer?

I hate when they use the "larger than life" term

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>Relic, a company that has a massive stellar background of the best Wh40k games ever made, even puts heart and soul into what would be one of the best Wh40k cinematics ever.
>People here are accusing them of having no fucking idea what Wh40k is.

Is it a hereditary retardation or have you been visiting too much /b/ or /v/ lately?

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>>48845121

Most of the Relic we knew no longer work for Relic, hence why the game doesn't look like a baby of DoW and DoW2.

Now we have frontflipping terminator armour and rapid firing yellow lascannons when in both previous games they've been one shot then charged for another blue lasers. It's clear that the devs that made the first 2 games aren't there or don't have a say about this game.

The art style is so that any scrub with a shitbox/top can play it, they try to explain it so people can tell the difference between 2 units, something which you can do by looking at them or how DoW2 did it by putting a small symbol above the unit with a designated unit icon/it's purpose.

The over the top lore breaking animations is so that even the slowest mouth breather can see an attack rather than using a traditonal power up lighting affect and a orange/red area where the attack will land.

The trailer we first got made the impression it was going to be a really dark gritty game, what we're apparently getting is a bright and colourful cartoony rendition of the warhammer 40k universe. It's like having a Dark Souls trailer and then the game itself is slime rancher.

The gameplay is dumbed down and a step in the wrong direction too so it's painfully obvious they're aiming the game at the anybody audience for that quick $$$ rather than giving a game to a large dedicated fanbase. A fanbase that the majority of which knows terminator armour cannot leap 10 feet into the air. This is where the "it looks like a Moba" arguement comes from because that's the audience they're going for, also muh e-sports. If the game was aimed at the current DoW and even the 40k fanbase it would look like a DoW1 and DoW2 love child.

>>48839237
We don't have another space marine game because of this reasoning anon don't act like you know whats best for the franchise

>>48845280
>The art style is so that any scrub with a shitbox/top can play it
H-heey, I can only afford one computer, you know?
Not that it would matter anyway, as I mostly use it to keep me warm in the winter and cook eggs :^I

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>>48842383
>Fucking Eternal Crusade looks like a more promising game and more faithful to 40k aesthetics and lore at this point, when compared to DoW 3.

That's something I thought I would never agree with, but here I am, agreeing with it.
Fuck.

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>>48829670
>>48829684
Why are they quoting things the traitor Blood Ravens used to say? I thought Angelos and Dayomeedees wanted none of that anymore.
If the next video starts with Kyras' monologue I'll fucking lose it.

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>>48835518
>hold me
*Choke holds you*
It is stupid sync kills are gone, where they would have been easily fixed if it was programmed to only happen where it'd be quicker to do a flashy execution move than punch that particular model 5 times.

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>>48843728
>>48844270

Lets hope they go full XCOM 2 and let us fix their broken ass for them

>>48831624
>and they did say some core characters from previous games would be on the background with speaking role.

That could just mean Tarkus and Cyrus or some of your other squad sergeants returning as your veteran sergeants in this game. Which I'd be very okay with.

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>>48831915

>>48845440
>Blood Ravens weren't in Winter Assault
>"...a deployment which cannot be fully reconciled with available sources."

Cheeky FW writers. I bet they got the idea from that armour in DoW II which the Blood Ravens ""recovered"" from a fallen Grey Knight on Lorn V.

>>48832749
>>looked for by a Chapter that's heavily implied (if not outright stated) to be Thousand Sons descendants
I mean, that part does kind of check out. Plus, Blood Ravens looking for someone else's sacred artifacts? Works for me.

>>48845577

>Avitus wont the green newbie anymore

>>48845628
Don't you mean Thaddeus? Avitus committed suicide by Battle Brother after he found out that his slaughter of Guardsmen on Kronus was ordered by a heretic.

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>>48845612
>Cheeky FW writers. I bet they got the idea from that armour in DoW II which the Blood Ravens ""recovered"" from a fallen Grey Knight on Lorn V.
Completely unrelated set of armour that has been sitting in our armory since our foundation.
No, you cannot check. We answer to the Emperor alone, and this powerful knowledge we hide well.

>>48830017
/Thread

>>48842383
>Fucking Eternal Crusade looks like a more promising game

Let's not go nuts. DoW3 actually looks operational.

I love how the game has a bunch of special drop pods for the blood ravens like the with FUCKING AUTOCANNONS

Wait, why does DoW 3 having leaping termies?

Oh, yeah, and DoW all version have teleports as a movement option.


You already have them teleporting to deep strike in all version, and teleporting to charge in DoW2, so you don't need an extra movement mode.

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I kind of like that the gameplay feels a bit like Warcraft 3

>>48845280

>lore breaking animations

I agree the game looks like ass, but not because it's breaking lore. Every DoW has done that. It's always played fast and loose with its representation of fluff.

>>48845612
To be fair they were recovering relics since Soulstorm: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rogal%27s_Fist

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>>48845731
Eternal Crusade is operational.
You can play it as we speak.

Basebuilding by this point is a fucking meme.

Coh-tier base building never bought anything to the game outside the single faction that would setup their own base foward and even then you would only build 2-3 tech structures.

It makes sense in AoE,SC and C&C because there's dozen of buildings and they produce/gather the resources for your own development, cement you into a strategy and serve the opponent as clues about what you are going for because the openings and development along the game into a certain tech is much more deeper and hard to understand at first sight, that's why the DoW3/CoH2 building is largely pointless.

This has to be the first time I'm absolutely NOT looking forward to the day a warhammer 40k game being released.
Wait, the first time was when they announced the chess game.

>>48845792
Boreale was hot shit before he fucked everything up and died in Soulstorm. He's one of the few Blood Ravens who probably received actual, legitimate gifts for being a badass.

>>48845835
Until you crash or get massive lagspikes for no reason at all or suddent massive frame drops for 1-3 seconds.

>>48845864
The chess game is surprisingly good, I've heard.

>>48845875
Not him, but having played quite a bit, I'm not seeing those things.

>>48839717
>Me-lee
Jesus fuck, how can an adult human being not know this word. Especially a gamer, SSB Melee had it said pretty clearly in game and he probably played that shit when he was younger.

>>48834420
>I work as a beekeeper and not once before this post did I hear this many buzzwords in one place.
Topkek

>>48845280
>Target the dedicated fanbase rather than the much much much MUCH larger audience that is the general gaming populous

Yeah I hate it when companies don't try to lose money just so they can appeal to grognard sensibilities.

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>>48834420
>And if Gabe is winning gymastics gold medals in full Terminator armor, it's because GW (you know, the guys that write, and can choose to forget, the lore) said so.
Riiight, because GW is always so attentive.

DoW 3 looks a lot like Halo Wars 2. Seems to be a lot of focus on blobbing and super units while the map we've seen in the demo is all about chokepoints and corridors.

>>48834161
You've never played starcraft anon it's alright I know all of your years on /v/ makes you think that you can just casually compare a game to what you percieve is another popular game as an insult (cause we all know popular=shit right?)

But that just doesn't work in this instance, Starcraft isn't the Call of Duty/Minecraft/whatever popular game /v/ loves to hate of RTS and it certainly isn't "hot" right now that game is pretty fucking dead anon you really gotta take that shit posting back to where you came from

>>48846274
Starcraft 2 is the only RTS that is even remotely alive right now m8.

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>>48846037

Yea, I know right! It's not like it's a reason to be disappointed at all right!

I understand gaming developers are a business and they need to make money but it's sad to see something you've loved get turned into something you'll end up hating, but who am I to judge, I like 40k, it's only a matter of time until GW kill of that setting like they did with Fantasy. So people are justified in shouting out about things like this, whether it will change anything is anyone's guess but it's better to voice opinions and be ignored than keep them to yourself and let whatever happens, happen.

>>48840471
>>48840528
Or, the much more likely option; none of the endings are canon and they're just gonna write whatever they feel like they need to, so they can put as many characters as possible into DoW3

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>>48842680

Christ starcraft multiplayer is about as fun as drinking bleach, the whole game is a question of who can build the biggest deathball and roll over the enemy in one big wave, its as tactically stimulating as playing tau in the tabletop

>>48847878
Someone hasn't played the newest expansion.

>>48846037
To court a casual audience can be a mistake. Casual consumers don't adopt new and innovative concepts usually by themselves, they do so because an already existing core consumer like something and give it a thumbs up. This isn't always the case, but it can be. Pandering to the largest common denominator can mean that products lack focus and polish, leading to an experience or good that is pleasing to nobody.

>>48834420
what's being a beekeeper like?

>>48848815
It's a pretty sweet gig.

>>48848815
Bee-autiful.

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DoW III is basically the first few minutes of DoW I where you control the commander unit and a few barely customizable T1 units, but with horrible animations that are weeb shit over the top, bad artstyle coupled with horrendous particle effects, much more lifeless, all around gameplay downgrades and disregarding the lore for no reason.
>mfw seeing this shit, especially after the badass teaser trailer

>>48830685
>no, he's using cataphractii,
that is clearly a tartaros armor and even the app says it and the website says it.

>>48846274

Are you autistic? or just a stupid fucking try hard?

StarCraft 2 is the most popular RTS in the world at the moment.

It's bright, it's colourful, its units are incredibly distinctive, base building, almost a cartoon aesthetic...

Now lets take a look at the DOW3 footage, oh wow

>>48851821
>StarCraft 2 is the most popular RTS in the world at the moment.
You aware that Korea dropped it and came back to Brood War?
There were even some threads on /v/ about some tournament.

Day 1 pirate, I say as someone who owns every DOW game, every expansion and every piece of DLC.

I'm not paying for this shit.

>Multi-laser lascannons
tee hee, 40k is silly, it doesn't matter, who knows what a lascannon does

>Terminators leaping 20 feet into the air, spinning thunder hammer around like parade twirling stick
tee hee, 40k is silly, it doesn't matter, who knows what a terminator moves like from a model

>Eldar zerg rushing Marine gunlines like Tyranid gaunts
tee hee, 40k is silly, it doesn't matter, who knows what tactics Eldar would use

Day 1 pirate, fuck you Relic, clearly it was THQ that kept you faggots in check

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>>48830725
It's some bullshit imo.
>we downgraded graphics and choose this shitty artstyle to lower the system requirements and make the units stand out more
>almost every action somehow produces a huge explosion with over the top particles flying everywhere

>>48832842
They confirmed there is no secret 4th faction, only the 3 already shown. Which is retarded if the campaign will be skipping between factions each mission. Something like Generals would be good, where two factions are at an unsteady peace and the third one fights both. And each faction campaign is played in one sitting, with the next faction campaign following it chronologically.

>>48837229
Cover is much shittier than DoW I and the basebuilding is even more bland and pointless. As I've said, DoW III is the first few minutes of DoW I vanilla skirmish but shittier.

>>48850501
I really dislike what I see of DoW III right now. But the're is no indication at all that the armies are going to be small.

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>>48832965
November actually, they just announced it at gamescon.

>>48851971
I wasn't claiming that, but I see how my post could be understood as such.
But let's be fair, from what I've seen I think your normal units will be pretty much useless except if they are a hard counter to the enemies unit. Having two lifeless blobs firing at each other and occasionally performing AoE skills is pretty shit, no matter how big they are.

Not sure how anyone can be pleased with the visuals of this game when the FC's motions are a straight rip from the WC3 paladin.

They had it in DoW2 and they threw it away.

>>48852121
if it comes out like WC III I'm not going to be thrilled, but all right with it.
If it comes out as BFME II then the multiplayer scene is pretty much going to be non-existent.

>>48852258
DoW II was a dramatic departure from the traditional RTS formula, and therefore literally, actually worse than Hitler. That's why we're not going to see any of the good parts of that game in DoW III; it's all thanks to seven years of salt-powered shitposting.

>>48845875
Stop trying to play games on a potato

>>48852317
I meant visually, it was the best looking one we've had. Obviously the gameplay was ass.