Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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WE'RE GONNA BUILD A WALL! AN EVEN BIGGER WALL THAN BEFORE AND THE FORSAKEN ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT!

>>48817261
I can't see that picture without thinking "DM houserules ritual casting.jpg"

>>48817313
>when Lordaeron sends their people, they aren't sending their best. They're bringing plagues, they're bringing orcs, they're undead. And some, I assume, are good people

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Gul'dan will make the horde great again! He will cast off the shackles of the legion and remake the horde! Where Garrosh failed Gul'dan will succeed!

ALL HAIL GUL'DAN!

>>48817261
>you can tell this took place far far in the past because of the stunted and thin pauldrons on the warriors

>>48817681
>those bits of the audio drama where Kil'jaeden keeps shitting on AU Gul'dan for stuff MU Gul'dan did until he flips out and yells "THAT WAS NOT ME!"

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>>48817681
I've played a human warlock in WoW for 12 years now. Now more than ever, I wish I could join Gul'dan's side.

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>>48817313
>can't even impregnate his own daughter & impregnate grandchildren
No vote for you.

>>48817313
>tfw genn was right all along
the alliance and horde should've teamed up and annihilated the forsaken after wotlk

Any of you playing on wow private server guise?

>>48817862
Used to until i got sick of shit not working and went retail

>>48817880
Well some shit and cutscenes is cut out so some quests are like just click two times on guy and get shitton of exp for it.. Yeah.

>>48817862
Have an account on dalaran. It's not too bad. Not sure if I'd be better of going to a tbc one though.

Got retail again just recently. I'm not sure what to do on it though aside from invasions. Seems too late to start raiding after missing wod and I have no fucking idea what im doing with the garrison.

>>48818001
Ignore the Garrison for the most part. They removed the only real utility by turning missions that made gold into ones that gave garrison resources. I will say you'll want a Barn on your tailor and LW, because the 30 slot bag in WoD isn't getting replaced, since the new bag is a 24 slot one. So you'll still make good money.

>>48818028
Can you power level professions through the ah? Or do u need the garrison for enchanting and tailoring?

>>48818108
You can, but since DH don't get a profession buff, they're starting from one. It will be expensive for Enchanting though that may vary by server. I was picking up 200 stacks of Cloth for 100g per stack.

>>48818135
Doable then. I'll clear out some raids I guess. Made 400 last night just off gems from the sun well. And I've got time.

>Reading Anduin comic
>Get to the last page
>Many, many years later...
Jesus fuck Blizzard, enough with the time skips already.

>>48817836
It makes just as much sense to say that they should have annihilated the woofs.

>>48818481
Here's a question, how did the Alliance know about the Forsaken and them attacking Gilneas? It just seems weird to me that they showed up outta nowhere.

>>48818590
I don't think that was ever actually explained.

>>48818590
Sylvanas isn't exactly a master of subtlety. When she moves, it's easy to follow the stink of her plague.

>>48818590
If she's massing her troops for something, and they don't show up on the front in Hillsbrad, the Plaguelands, or the Barrens there is really not many other places they could be going.

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>>48818637
Sylvanas is a saint and she smells of flowers

>>48817807
It's only okay to shitpost with Tomaru when an actual shitfest of retarded political discussion is happening, you butthurt loser.

>>48818876
honestly I'd press my nose right up on her butthole if it meant I could tongue worship her vagoo

no homo

>>48818884
>butthurt
>someone posts /pol/ shit
>someone responds with daughter fucker
>bitches about it
(You)

>>48818936
How many sexual partners do you think the average elf has? Considering they live so long, I'd imagine they'd get bored of monogamy.

>>48818419
I kind of like it, its cool foreshadowing that our battle with the Legion won't be the end, like we feared it would.

>>48819202
count stars in the night sky, they would still be outnumbered

>>48819202
Infinity

>>48819196
>/pol/ shit
It's...relevant, though

>>48819202
honestly, it would probably the same one most likely. When you age at a very slow rate, you tend to stick with people you like.

>>48819303
>inb4 you are just like your grand father

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>>48819342
What if your grandfather is also your father and brother?

>>48819303
>Implying all the BElf women weren't converted upon hearing about the BOC.

>>48819298
>relevant
If I posted an image of Tomaru raping Sylvanas entitled "Fuck the Horde", would that be relevant?

>>48819440
Why would that be relevant?

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>>48819440
>>48819196
>getting rectally rumpled over the Greymane picture

>>48819437
>orcs keep telling themselves they have big dicks
>they keep dying in wars
>all the orc women are fucking blood elves and trolls.
Eternally cucked.
>>48819440
post it.

>>48819440
Yeah but it wouldn't be even remotely funny/charming because there is just no connection.
>gilneas has a wall built to not let hairy invaders in
>also gilneans have a short patriotic slogan that fits in

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>>48819488
>getting butthurt because your /pol/ meme cannot fuck his daughter
I incest you get some better taste.

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>>48819488
You only gave me one (You). This saddens me.

>>48819462
Clearly no one can rape the Horde harder than Blizzard is doing.
>>48819529
>because there is just no connection
Give Tomaru a Blizzard Logo on his shirt. Maybe give Sylvanas a shirt that says "Lore".

>>48819202
>>48819303
Elves perceive the passage of time differently than humans. Monogamy to them is probably the same as it is for humans, since time doesn't seem to be passing by as slowly.

>>48819619
>Give Tomaru a Blizzard Logo on his shirt. Maybe give Sylvanas a shirt that says "Lore".
Deal.

>Blizz will never flesh out the languages enough for people to make new songs in them or translate non-WC songs to them

I have a sad.

>>48819202
>brief flashback to quest where I lured a belf to a secluded area with alcohol so I could turn her into a mouse
>in full view of her hungry cat
>because she was with some other belf's guy

I think some might put more stock in it than others

>>48820341
>blizzard
>making a language
everyone with a fantasy world isn't Tolkien

My lore is rusty but how come in the Warcraft movie the Draenor side of the dark portal resembles Hellfire Peninsula? Shouldn't it look like Tanaan Jungle?

>>48821457
Because fuck making canonical sense and logic and shit.

>>48821457
Alt-universe, don't question it.

>>48821457
Because Gul'dan's demon shit was already killing Draenor before it shattered

>>48821457
Warcraft movie is psuedocanon. Like how only the Frostwolves are brown somehow.

>>48821457
Cinematic universe.

>>48821595
Yo were not paying attention

Most orcs were brown, then fewer and fewer were brown until no orcs were brown at the end of the movie

The ratio of brown to green was a visible indicator of how "corrupt" the Horde was throughout the movie, getting more corrupt as it goes along

>tfw garrosh was on the path to redemption thanks to anduin
>tfw garrosh gets offeted time travel by kairoz and jumps at the opportunity
>tfw a garrosh redemption storyline would have been a bajillion times better than wod

Why blizz WHY

>>48821457
This
>>48821502

Draenor was already fucked up, its why the Orks are so easy to convince to invade Azeroth.

How would you get Vol'jin, Cairne, and Gallywix (or even Gazlowe, who is by far the better Goblin) to unite in an AU where the Orcs never showed up?

i.e. how do you get Horde minus Orcs/Forsaken/BElves?

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>>48821862
they found the porn, that's why

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>>48817739
lets not also forget
>Gul'dan and kil'jaeden having a touch of understanding between eachother, and a weird sort of trust from the legion that this gul'dan won't fuck up like the last one.

Its weirdly compelling watching gul'dan sort of...I guess mature throughout that audio drama? going from "don't tell me what to do smell'jaedan reee" to "I realize now I need help to conquer the world, so i'll bite the bullet and work with the legion even if it means not being at the super top chain of command"

Him having that moment of realization that if he goes it alone he'll have to contend with the millions of tenacious poorly dressed assholes on this world was a rather nice little bit, a nice bit of maturity for all the wrong reasons.

gul'dan is cool'dan

>>48821951
I feel the Tauren would be pretty buddy buddy with the Nelfs.

And the humans were always pretty close with the high elves.

>wanna play mage come legion.
>Fucking suck at playing mage

Screw me billy.

>>48822015
Pretty much this, and the goblins were always neutral

So without orcs the most likely conflict scenario I see is just the Alliance (humans, dwarves, high elves) Vs Kalimdor (night elves, tauren and I guess trolls?)

>>48821951
Tauren are either extinct or still locked in a conflict with the quilboar and centaur

Darkspear are extinct, wiped out by the other jungle tribes

Gazlowe is still a lowly zeppelin engineer in the Eastern Kingdoms

>>48822133
It would probably be Human, Dwarves, High elves vs Trolls

and Tauren and Night Elves vs Trolls

The Darkspear are the only tribe worth giving the time of day and thats only because the game says so.

>>48821769
to be fair, from what I have heard from people who know the lore, Duncan did a good job of bringing it to life in the cinematic universe.

If Worgen were Druids before the curse doesn't that mean humans can be Druids?

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>>48822469
They supposedly only count as Harvest Witches Worgening and contact with the Night Elves.

>>48822469
the druids were minor spellcasters who were more like harvest witches who blessed the crops and other minor shit. being infected with worgen curse made them into the druids we know in wow

>>48822528
>before Worgening

>>48822548
to be fair, worgens were just druids who were shapeshifting into wolf form, but something went wrong.

Worgen were like the feral bear druids from warcraft 3.

Then they went full werewolf in Cata.

>>48822584
I still contend that the change from "extra dimensional wolf monsters" to "Wolf durid is 4 fite" is one of the worst lore concepts ever introduced.

>>48822548
>>48822674
see, the problem wasn't with wolf monsters or wolf druids itself. Blizzard could have done the smart thing and made the worgen forms into various types of wolf creatures, and handwaved it away by saying that goldrinn was returning or something.

>>48822699
Still an incredible waste they didn't make at least cat form a pure wolf.

>>48822539
Being trained by fully fledged druids is what made them druids.

Even the non-druid worgen get trained by druids to get a handle on the form shifting feral side business.

>>48819202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HYeEFFdQKU

>>48821971
>Him having that moment of realization that if he goes it alone he'll have to contend with the millions of tenacious poorly dressed assholes on this world was a rather nice little bit
It was also really meta.

>>48822837
they drink an alchemical potion for a time and then go to the oak of ages equivalent in gilneas to gain full control over their worgen powers.

>>48822915
>Even if I kill them
>Even if I wipe the raid
>Even IF I break up their guild
>They will respawn and bash their heads against the mountain of my power till it is sand under their feet
>Then they will try it on heroic

>>48822972
>and some of them will be death knights who continuously yell "Get over here"

>>48817836
Citizen! There is hope. Vote for Scourge reunification! Shitvanas for superhell 2016.

>>48823020
Where the hell did this super hell meme come from?

>>48821457
I believe it already looked like Hellfire Peninsula at the time of WC1. In WC2, when we first see Draenor, it's certainly all red and rocky (and Draeneor as a whole is described as "the red world"; it having originally been verdant only came later).
IIRC, The massive amounts of fel magic and Gul'dan fucking up the elements had caused the area around the portal to become a barren wasteland (as also happened on the Azeroth side after the portal was opened) before the thing was even first activated.

>>48823173
It's where sylvanas, arthas, etc... go.
not even making this up, superhell is a place, it's named hel iirc.

>>48823491
I know it's a thing, but why are people calling it super hell?

>>48823515
because it literally is super hell.

>>48823515
>This place is like hell, but like, superbad+1 hell dude
Jee, I wonder why it's called superhell.

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>Blizz pushing "high king" warchief bullshit

>Other factions leaders/races now referring to Anduin as high king or even "my king"

>Big ass lengthy blue post defending it

>"We've discussed this a lot in the past, but the title and position of "High King" fits thematically with the Alliance - being an alliance formed originally around allegiances to human kingdoms."

They can't keep getting away with this. Jesus Christ.

>>48824142
Don't space goat's canonically hate monarchy or single rulers and only have Velen as a single leader because the other leaders all fell of where killed before anyone took their place?

>>48824191
On AU Draenor their society appears to be run by the council of exarchs, at least.
Velen's really more of a spiritual leader than leader of goverment (he's space-pope. essentially), but he's the de-facto leader due to his wisdom and the fact that Draenei are very spiritual and thus place a lot of weight on his words.

>>48824142
It does make sense, though they could have called it Supreme Commander like Lothar was during the Second War.

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MAIEV IS GONNA BUILD A NEW VAULT! A BIGGER VAULT! AND SHE'S GONNA MAKE THE LEGION PAY FOR IT!

MAIEV FOR 2016

MAKE NIGHT ELVES GREAT AGAIN

High Elves, Mag'har, Forest Trolls and Broken skins when.

>>48824736
They mentioned they're gonna do them eventually on the Demon Hunter interview, so I'm guessing next expac

The only reason I havent made a shammy is because I want a wildhammer

>>48825075
Which interview is this?

>>48822777
They didn't do that because there is no 'pure wolf' form left for druids. Back when the sycthe was first created it twisted the 'pack form' (wolf) into the humanoid werewolf thing we're used to before the druids sealed them away.

>>48823327
Would make sense. Isn't that more or less what happened with the blasted lands since they were originally a swamp?

>>48818481
How? Worgen did nothing wrong.

>>48818590
>Here's a question, how did the Alliance know about the Forsaken and them attacking Gilneas?

Perhaps their spy organisation.

>>48825292
And the Forsaken were only going to war in Cataclysm because Garrosh ordered them to.

>>48825318
>>Sylvanas dindunuffin man!

>>48822066
You can't suck at playing mage, you just wait for proc then hit it.

>>48825324
Oh, she did stuff. But while some of it was atrocious, she was the only Horde leader who defeated the Alliance in her own theater, which is one of several reasons why I'm happy to have her as Warchief.

>>48825341
Didn't the orcs roll over the night elves pretty hard during Cataclysm?

>>48825350
The night elves rolled back in Alliance Ashenvale questing.

>>48825318
Garrosh also ordered her not to use the blight and told her her undead resurrections were an abomination.
So let's not put the all blame on Garrosh.

>>48825366
And Garrosh was a fucking idiot who expected the Forsaken to fight like (Garrosh's dumber) orcs.

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>>48825357
This was one think Cata was really shitty about. In the Horde side of Ashenvale they win really hard.

The same thing happened in Swamp of Sorrows. The Horde side has them fending off the Alliance assault on their holdings there, but in the Alliance quests they win. It's all fucked up.

>>48825366
Butt...Sylvanas...dindu!

>>48825384
Ashenvale doesn't bother me, because, IIRC, the Alliance quests take place after the Horde ones. Swamp of Sorrows, though, is completely absurd on the Alliance side, as Stonard is still standing, so I just consider the Alliance quests non-canon.

>>48825378
I mean, ordering no plague was part of Garrosh showing he had morals, much like the end of the stonetalon questline for horde. Sylvanas using necromancy is an interesting grey area because it's both really similar to the Lich King and also they're only way to keep their nation sustained. Helps that there are a few people they bring back who are probably grateful for the whole 'eternally undying' thing.

>>48825378
>Garrosh wants Gilneas captured so he can use it
>Shitvanas turns in uninhabitable due to blight

Poor Garrosh, always expecting better but getting worse.

>>48825405
>I mean, ordering no plague was part of Garrosh showing he had morals
It shows that he's a moron. Nothing makes the Blight an inherently unethical weapon, since it isn't actually infectious; it's basically a large acid bomb.

>>48825406
Er, it's not uninhabitable at all.

>>48822674
>"extra dimensional wolf monsters"
They still are. Arugal summoned them from the Emerald Dream

>>48825423
Looking at southshore and the plaguelands, I doubt there's no side-effects from their plague.

>>48825423
>Er, it's not uninhabitable at all.

UVG says it is.

>>48825456
The Plaguelands were hit by the Plague of Undeath, which is completely different from the Blight. Granted, Southshore does show that anything hit by Blight saturation bombing will be reduced to an uninhabitable toxic slime pit, but the effect doesn't spread anything.

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>>tfw Alleria and Turyalon will be the next two in a very long line of Alliance-turned-Neutral characters

>>48825633
>It's a turning neutral is worse than turning up dead episode

>>48825651
Only Alliance characters become Neutral and stay that way. It's Alliance genocide.

>>48825661
It's to in some small way counterbalance that all the horde characters are deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

>>48825633
Except Alleria and Turalyon are probably dead too. Which is even worse.

>>48825693
They're coming back in Legion. Apparently they've been fighting the Legion for thousands of years, which sounds stupid. But they're back!

>>48825661
>Thrall doesn't real
every time

>>48825729
Thrall constantly hangs out with the Horde.

>>48825748

Yeah but he's useless, it's just official now that he lost his powers too.

>>48821862
>inb4 wrathion saved him from Thrall and he will help us against the burning legion

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=169333/and-justice-for-thrall-garroshs-feign-death

>>48825759
For now. He'll get them back soon and the Doomhammer after the expansion is over.

>>48825759
Still, he is the orc racial leader and will always stay that way, there isn't a single horde character that has worked with the alliance and stayed neutral, meanwhile:

>Khadgar
Neutralized

>Malfurion
Neutralificated

>Tyrion
Neutralizated

>Jaina
Was neutral until the horde showed its true colors

>Magni
He's gonna be neutral, mark my words

I could go on

>>48825832
Magni is actually gonna be neutral, the comic makes that pretty damn obvious.

>>48825832
Malfurion is as neutral as Thrall is.

>>48825859
Bullshit, Thrall is actively Horde and fights Alliance at some point in every single expansion where some kind of neutralization has gone on, from Cata through WoD

The single most Alliance inclined thing Malfurion has done since he came back into WoW is attend Varian's funeral, and he was there only because the wife made him go

>>48825832
>Tyrion
I assume you're talking about Tirion Fordring, didn't he catch a bad case of the "dead"? I mean, that's about as neutral as you can get...

>>48825930
>Tyrande and Malfurion saying how Illidari would be a great help to the Alliance and that we should accept them.
REEEEEEEE

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>>48825820
Why can't Green Jesus just fucking die? He's the WoW equivalent of fucking Calculon from All My Circuits. Constant emotional shit, leaving and coming back, losing his powers, losing hope, abandoned by the elements, and yet he always troops in when he's least wanted to steal a kill or tut-tut at you about something. We've also heard nothing from the baby mama he supposedly retired to be around, and since Thrall was off with his mates stubbing his toe, falling over, and hitting his LifeAlert at Broken Shore, I'm going to add "Deadbeat Dad" to his resume.

>>48825960
Metzen

>>48825930
>Thrall is actively Horde and fights Alliance at some point in every single expansion

After he was neutralized in Cata by becoming head of the Earthen Ring he has not fought Alliance.
The closest he came was almost coming to blows with Varian at the end of SoO.

>>48825930
>Thrall fights the Alliance in Cata or WoD
>Malfurion doesn't give out shit tons of Alliance only quests in Cata
*tips Every Man For Himself*

>>48825948
Isn't Malfurion the one who says he doesn't trust them during the whole thing?

>>48825982
I don't think so
I know Tyrande says they would be a great help and I thought Malfurion agrees with her

>>48825932
Yeah, I messed it up, reading too much GoT, but before he died he had a really bad case of the chronic neutrals for 4 whole expansions

>>48825948
She never really lost faith in Illidan, and Malfurion is probably keeping quiet out of guilt. Plus the last time they all saw eachother they parted in more or less amicable terms other than Furion being a bit of a drama queen about his brother's choice to become transdemon

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>>48825960

>>48826001
The only one I remember disagreeing was Jaina. But she wasn't super fond of anything that didn't involve killing the Horde.

>>48825832
Tirion was never part of the Alliance in game you fucking idiot. The entire point of his character was being neutral because he befriended Eitrigg and realized that not all orcs are evil

>>48825932
I guess when he asked the Light to grant him one last blessing to fight the Lich King, the Light took it literally.

>>48826009
It's stupid, but I miss the pupil-less eyes that orcs had in WC3.

>>48826007
>Illidan is mentally ill and believes that he is a demon
>Starts indoctrinating other elves
>Creates a movement for transdemon acceptance with their own bathrooms

>>48825960
I miss WC3 Thrall

He listened to the prophet, saved the orcs, saved the Darkspears, saved the Tauren, was a bit of an idiot regarding Grom, helped save the world, and built a home for the orcs.

>>48825971
Why blame Metzen when every complaint in that post is in regards to Kosak-written material?

>>48825980
>the goblin starting experience literally has Thrall fighting Alliance
>Malfurion doesn't bat an eyelash when horde characters literally murder his wife in fron of him when invading Darnassus because he is fucking neutral

Horde apologists plz go

>>48826007
I actually had to count out the expansions because I didn't believe the WotLK was 4 expansions ago. Fuck, I'm getting old.

How is Legion looking? I keep hearing mixed reviews. I tried to get into Warlords of Draenor, and while I liked some parts of it, I hit level cap and felt pretty alone. I had no idea what to do next and no one to do anything with. It was odd because for the first time in the MMO, everything felt empty.

>>48825982
>>48826001
I remember Malfurion saying it makes him uneasy for the Illidari to be free

>>48826071
Legion is looking like it might actually be pretty good. Most expansions are fun for the first month or so.

>>48826069
The Goblin starting experience takes place before Thrall stopped being Warchief

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>>48826042
The sad thing is, so do I. WC3 Thrall was a compelling, dynamic character. Seeing him accept Medievh's warning when the king laughed it off (and then seeing the king get his shit ruined for it) was a big deal from a storytelling perspective. It showed Thrall as a pragmatist within the bounds of his world, willing to take council, willing to be reasonable. His goofs with Grom were his flaw, he was TOO trusting sometimes, especially with his friends, and maybe pushing the Horde too hard in a liberal direction they weren't ready for.

And yet as WoW trundles on he ends up resembling Chris Metzen's crappy DMPC more and more. We seem to be expected to care about him despite it being a forgone conclusion that he's blessed by the devs. There being no risk involved, we have no reason to care if he's threatened. His flaws end up costing him nothing, but others take all kinds of damage that Thrall never loses a minute of sleep over. Meanwhile, every other character in the game besides the players is rushing to bow and scrape to this Marty Stu motherfucker.

Die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.

>>48826025
He was a major Alliance character before WoW you fucking mong

Just because his neutralization happened earlier doesn't mean it never happened

>>48826054
Kosak made Flintlocke comic, i can't hate him

>>48826113
Tirion was a nobody who served as a prop to show the orcs' redemption until Wrath when he magically becomes the god-king of paladins

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>>48824518
I think someone at Blizz wanted to push the Blue Warchief narrative down Alliance players throats, but someone pointed out that the Alliance won't be an alliance anymore.

The really shitty part is because humans are the most played race on the Alliance since Wrath, advocating a non-human will lead to a lot of butthurt. Even though there are more Blood Elf players than the rest of the Horde races combined, and they barely get any story development or leading roles. So, I hope ya'll like HFY drivel, because since Alduin is the prophetic 'High King',we likely won't see any change in the 'Humans first' Alliance status quo.

>>48826125
Wasn't Tirion of the the First five Paladins? Of course he is going to be a powerful one.

>>48826111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iOiai7AEKs
If someone wants to see the cinematic here it is

>>48826136
He also regain his powers despite the paladins supposedly stripping them away for his 'betrayal'

>>48826113
>He was a major Alliance character

Nooope. He was essentially just a name.

>>48826136
>Wasn't Tirion of the the First five Paladins? Of course he is going to be a powerful one.

Being the first example of a process doesn't mean you're any good.

>>48825423
>chemical and/or biological weapons
>not inherently bad

>>48825633
>the writing will be bad
a fate worse than neutrality

>>48826158
Wasn't the point of that that the light isn't actually controlled by the church, or the order of the silver hand, but is instead something within you?

I really liked that short story

>>48826134
Stay mad, subhuman.

>>48826160

It does in fiction.

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>>48826149
Seriously? Vol'jin takes a sword to the gut and dies?

Where the fuck is his insane troll regen? Trolls regrow entire ARMS, a torn gut shouldn't mean death. Particularly not for a Shadowhunter as gifted as Vol'jin. Meanwhile everyone but Sylvanas is getting wrecked by random demons that the players could bifurcate all day long without breaking a sweat.

What the fuck?

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>>48825423
>Hordecuck will defend this

>>48826158
The light is not beholden to any mortal organization. Otherwise the Church would've put a stop to the Scarlet Crusade's bullshit a long time ago.

>>48826190
There is a secondary cinematic where he names Sylvanas Warchief. In it the wound is all fel infected and leaking green shit

>>48826190
Reminder that Vol'jin literally got stabbed in the neck with a dagger coated in poison specifically made to kill a Troll, and he survives.

>>48826202
Get a paladin to cast cleanse

>>48826192
It's pretty snazzy. Ruining the only viable harbor in the region means that the Alliance can't come into Lordaeron by sea again.

>>48826202
Yeah, I've seen it.

This whole thing stinks of writer's fiat, man.

I wanted to get back into WoW but this storyline is really killing the mood.

>>48826158
>>48826197
All you need to use the Light is strong belief in your cause.

>>48826134
>that comic
>we could have been rid of the undead
>we could have retaken Gilneas
>we could have brought the blood elves back into the fold
>the eastern kingdoms could have been one
>night elves could have used the momentum to definitively clear Ashenvale
>but instead we helped the invasive parasitic mongrels get their city back

Alliance writing at its finest

>>48826190
>Where the fuck is his insane troll regen?

Cancelled out demon blades.

>Meanwhile everyone but Sylvanas is getting wrecked by random demons that the players could bifurcate all day long without breaking a sweat.

There were a lot of demons, plus some space ships show up and shoot their ion cannon.

>>48826207
Reminder that Vol'jin says demons are coming from behind and gets stabbed in the front like a dumb cuck.

>>48826190
The Horde wipes on trashmobs while the Alliance is fighting every named demon in WoW history

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>>48825423
>>48825485

>Carrying this much water for Chemical Sylvanas

Argent Crusade into Lordaeron now

>>48826225
You can retake Gilneas whenever you want, the Horde left. And the blood elves stayed out because you started massacring them in Dalaran.

>>48826241
>You can retake Gilneas whenever you want

Except all that blight rendering it not fit for habitation.

>>48826241
Gilneas is blighted, retaking it would require an effort beyond what can be dedicated and resources beyond what can be transported in when the area is literally surrounded by the scourge 2.0

And Lor'themar is not completely opposed to rejoining, everyone knows Jaina is a loose cannon and the blame ultimately falls with the horde anyway, all the more reason to drop them and re-join the good guys

>>48826237
The Argent Crusade is already there.

>>48826250
>>48826276
We were in modern Gilneas in the Fangs of the Father questline, and I don't recall it being that bad. Also,
>calling yourselves the good guys when you start a

>>48826172
I'm Horde, scrub. We have this thing called diverse storytelling and we've always been more of an 'alliance' than you'll ever be.

>>48826276
Yeah but the insistence on muh factions require that the Horde have at least one race of pretties for all the people who don't want to play various flavors of lumpy people with bad dentistry.

Honestly I could see the Blood Elves peacing out from the Horde if the Alliance got their shit together and pushed into Lordaeron in a big way. They're already kind of quasi-neutral given the truly radical faction got killed off with Kael and their main beef with the Alliance now seems to be the Dalaran business that was (somewhat) justified.

>>48826288
Whoops, 4chanX shat itself.
>calling yourselves the good guys when you start a completely unnecessary faction war in the middle of a Burning Legion invasion
Not anymore, champ.

>>48826304
Horde started it by breaking their word and serving the alliance up to the Legion.
Also Sylvanas is trying to steal a pillar of creation, so it's far from unnecessary.

>>48826320
Yeah but Sylvanas does evil stuff all the time and people defend her left right and center. Why should this be any different?

>>48826340
As Warchief all the evil shit she does now reflects on the entire horde of Dindus.

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>>48826340
>Sylvanas does evil stuff all the time
No she doesn't

>>48826288
>>48826304
Yeah I was there just yesterday and it seemed fine, I blame shitty writing. The canon justification is still "blighted" though so them's the breaks

And I'm not sure what you mean by "starting a faction war"

The broken shore? That was just another example of the Horde being cowards and weaklings (Lok'tar ogar? More like wipe to dungeon trash and dip amirite?) While the alliance trashes the legion and then loses its high king in noble sacrifice after getting flanked courtesy of the horde

>>48826398
>Lok'tar ogar
Horde needs a new motto
"Victory or run at the first sign of resistance" whats that in Orcish?

>Alliance
>Humans do all the work
>Other races just bitch and cry

SWEXIT

>>48826450
>Implying a human alliance footman isn't made relevant by the dwarven steel, gnomish gadgets, draenei blessings and elven herbal stimulants he carries with him

Can the ''Green Jesus'' meme finally die

I mean he's become fucking impotent,can't use his powers, threw his hammer away so PC shamans can use it,cheated in a Mak'Gora, actually fucking stood by and let Sylvannas become Warchief without ever uttering a single ''hey wait maybe I could try this again and not THE FUCKING LICH QUEEN''

He's been sidelined so hard it would actually be a benefit if he died heroically now,yet people still pretend he's at the center of the Warcraft universe anymore.

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>>48826502
>Dwarven forged
>Gnomish engineered
>Draenei blessed
>Supplied with best elven herbal stimulants
>For all your sexual needs

>>48826450
>SWEXIT

Please do. Signed, Germa- The Horde.

>>48826502
>gnomish gadgets
Gnomes are a meme race desu.

In just 1 expansion the Horde's power level skyrocketed thanks to Goblin engineering, and that's the engineering that's supposed to be faulty and unreliable.

Gnomes should be scrubbed from Warcraft canon.

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>>48826442
How about "Every orc for himself?"

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Reminder the way to fix the forsaken is giving them to me.

>>48826604
>DKs actually join up with him and do scourge shit.
GET HYPE

Gnome/goblin warriors should be removed and a tinkerer class added in its stead
>Tank spec is mechs
>DPS spec is firearms/explosives/gadgets/turrets

>>48826604
>hurr durr i can't dismantle the scourge even though i'm their king and they're mostly mindless zombies bound by my will

Fuck off Bolvar.

>>48826604
I'd be down for that. Bolvar's been chilling for far too long in the lore. He only got a little mention in the WoD Garrison Inn with one of the quests.

>>48826604
God damn it Bolvar I hate your existance, why did Legion have to work so hard to remind us about the "there must always be a lich king" bullshit? It would be better off forgotten

>>48826632
He's active during legion, the player DK is his herald

>>48826677
Wait a minute. Doesn't that completely obviate the damn point of the death knights having broken free from the Lich King? Now they just go back?

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>>48826700
Well now they're unionized instead of being in a right-to-undeath state, so their working conditions are a lot better.

>>48826729
Fucking commies, demanding better working conditions. The KotEB was a mistake. Kel'Thuzad 2016 #MSGA

>>48826700
Dks have been looking for a purpose since the old LK died they are obviously wary about him but figure its best to work with him and try to counter his more genocidal tendencies.

>>48826802
Where is KT anyway? I forgot if we brutalized his phylactery

>>48826897
In a civil war with bolvar over control of the scourge

>>48826542
holy shit did Sylvanas finally get in charge of the Horde?

>>48817807
>pic

What the FUCK?

>>48826939
Yup, Vol'jin got stabbed and said "dah spirits want you, Sylvannas" The rest of the horde leaders shrugged their shoulders, and complied with Vol'jins dying request.

>>48826972
AHHHHHH

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I thought Gul'dan was a fragile caster, not a battlemage.

>>48827149
Every single male orc has treetrunk arms. Also the movie is non-canon as it gets

>>48826939
It's pretty much what half this thread is discussing.

>>48826234

That really felt like an "oh. Fuck." Moment on alliance. Saw Jaraxxus' name at a glance, stopped and moused over the rest.

>>48826629
Who said dismantle? They'll be my gestapo.

>>48826303
Yeah what basically killed of the Blood Elf negotiations was Jaina deciding to blame all of the Sunreavers (and all Dalaran blood elves for that matter) for the actions of a few agents and trying to pull Garithos 2: Arcane Boogaloo.

What I found stupid was how the Silver Covenant high elves basically joined in. Or was it because Vereesa was butthurt her hubby died in Theramore?

>>48827960
The Silver Covenant has always been deeply racist towards blood elves, and tried to keep them out of Dalaran in WotLK.

>>48828024
And then in 3.3 the Quel'delar quest chain shows more signs of co-operation with Silvermoon letting high elves be able to visit the new Sunwell in pilgrimage. They can't seem to make up their mind about what they want, and RvB conflict makes it impossible for it to resolve in any meaningful way.

>>48826802
>KT
>Not the pinko in head

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>Sargeras never gets corrupted or founds the Burning Legion
>Argus never falls and the Eredar are never corrupted
>No Legion means no Horde and no Scourge
>Old Gods are still around though

What does this mean for Azeroth and Draenor?

>>48827326
Jaraxus, Azgalore,Tichondrius,Mal'ganis,Eredar Twins,Brutallus
Those were the ones I noticed while the fps went into slideshow mode due to so damn many

>>48828565
Old gods win.

>>48828565
Large scale? Peace and prosperity
Smaller scale? Deathwing is still a thing, and he probably wrecks Azeroth's collective face since Thrall isn't there to do anything.

>>48828565
Void titan proceeds to kill everything. The end.

>>48828618
Deathwing would have other things to answer to. Since the titans weren't all slaughtered i'm sure at least a few of them would check up on Azeroth to see how the best titan ever is going along.

>>48828631
>implying the Legion wasn't distracting the defenders of Azeroth from the true enemy

>>48828565
For Draenor it means no outside corruption, but also no Oshu'gun to make Nagrand special for them, and no draeni or their cities means no exposure to a more civilized society other than maybe the arrakoa.

>>48828637
Actually, Sargeras dindu nuffin'. He wants to burn everything to the ground to prevent everything being burned to the ground

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>>48828664

>>48828647
The funny thing about Oshu'gun is that the land was sacred to orcs before it crashed there

Those markings on the ground around it? They were there first. Oshu'gun crashed there because the Naaru were drawn to the spiritual location

>>48828679
Yes, exactly

>>48828636
Probably yeah, but I think we're delving too far into "if"s at the point of Cata expansion. Titans would have probably done away with the Old Gods or did a better job of policing them sans Burning Legion. So, maybe no Deathwing?

>>48828723
More than likely. The reason shit got so bad on Azeroth now would be because there were no titans overseeing what was going on. If titans were alive, you'd have the overseers overseeing, Raden wouldn't be fucked up, Loken wouldn't be corrupted, etc. No curse of flesh more than likely,

>>48828685
Really? I suppose it had just been there long enough that the orcs had forgotten.

>>48828746
I think the curse was already happening in small doses when the titans left, at least during the original lore.

>>48828829
Was it? Then I could be wrong but shit wouldn't have progressed as badly, I imagine.

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How many people on WoW/tg/ still play WoW? What realm do you play on if you do?

>>48828903
I just picked it up after a year and a half long hiatus. Earthen ring US.

>>48828903
Wyrmrest Accord for Horde, Suramar for Alliance.

>>48828903
Just came back after a short break to try out the pre-patch content. US, Wyrmrest Accord.

>>48828903
I want to play on a private server, but I'm still bitter after NOS got shut down

>>48828746
So then,
Large Scale? Peace and prosperity.
Smaller Scale? Peace and prosperity, with the occasional Old God getting their wrists smacked with a comically large ruler by a happening by Titan.

>>48828903
Seven years on Suramar.

>>48828577
Eredar twins are chilling in the warlock class hall, though

>itt:alliance apologists
Hurr jaina dindu nuffin, i'very never actually done the broken shore story on anyone but alliance! Horde big Green stinky poopoo, yeah human supremacy, yeah kill everyone but humans, woo.

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>>48829189
>implying Garithos

I'm sorry, who had the whole "Lok'tar Ogar" thing again?

Anyway, this whole thing is a mess. Jaina's gone crazy, Genn's looking for an excuse to take his home back, Sylvanas would cast the entire Horde into Hell to save herself if she had to, Anduin isn't ready to rule, Baine's been pushed to the sidelines, the other Horde leaders are Literally Whos, and Moira's still dealing with her daddy issues.

Lei Shen save us from this nightmare.

>>48828903
Alterac Mountains on US, joined a guild that includes some RL friends, is nice to be psrt of something active.

Why does everyone think Jaina is a dreadlord? She's one of the two Alliance characters with perfectly understandable reasons to hate the horde.

Never mind how Tyrandae should be still be going apeshit over Ashenvale

>>48829189
>muh horde dindu nuffin wrong we wuz good orcs, theramore blew up on its on

>>48829254
is Lei Shin supposed to be that big in lore? That's a fucking giant

>>48829163
Warlocks are getting the Eredar Twins in their class hall, but demonhunters get Mother Sharaz (aka. that female demon boss from BT who'se lines seem to be composed etirely of double entrended). Which one has the better demon-bitches?

>>48829298
Lei shen was so crazy his enemies had to use a fucking nuke equivalent to kill him. We killed him in the raid at a fraction of his power. If he had fully charged up he'd be the strongest thing we've ever dealt with.

>>48829298
I think it's mostly artistic liscence (in and out of universe) and the possibility of a size increasing power of his, though not likely to that size.

I wish people would stop bringing up Jaina

It's really uncomfortable to talk about Warcraft when that one horrible choice the writers made that ruined the lore forever keeps coming up again and again and will never, ever go away

You can almost close your eyes and pretend Theramore is still there and they didn't kill the personality of the best female character in Warcraft, but people just won't stop dragging that horrendous writing decision into the limelight

>>48828942
>>48828961

Mah WrA niggas

>>48829298
Size in Warcraft is a fluid thing I tend to find. As I recall a Keeper and a giant Faceless One had a throwdown at Tirisfal Glades millenia ago that levelled most of the area and left a huge crater, but he also left behind his tiny human sized silver hand. Galkarond was also said to level forests by beating his wings, but his skeleton in Dragonblight is comparatively small.

>>48829331
>>48829334
that's one hell of an enlarge person spell

>>48829386
Orgrimmar should be nowhere near a large body of water, yet it's right next to a river and an ocean

>>48829432
If we start bringing Geography into this I think anyone with a basic knowledge of ecosystems and rudimentary geography will shit their pants.

>>48829489
>MOUNTAINS, EVERYWHERE

>>48828903
WrA for Horde, MG for Alliance. Came back after a year off.

>>48829489
A lot of the ecosystem and geography bullshit is explained by "magic"

>>48829513
>explained by "Titans"

FTFY

>>48829386
Obviously Azeroth is constantly growing in size. Probably through magic. Things that were giant in the past are almost normal size now.

>>48829542
Some shit, titanic magic is still magic

>>48829495
That's actually non-canon

Err, for the most part. Winterspring is surrounded by mountains, but the Barrens sure as hell aren't

>>48829495
I'm fairly sure that's just an Mmo thing, since they wanted clearly defined regions. A silly idea honestly, since it looks weird and honestly, there's plenty of other ways to figure it out.

>>48829581
they should have removed the worst offenders in the remaking of the world.

Perfect opportunity for it

>>48829370
What faction on WrA? Horde, look up Auraesh if you ever want to do RP

So where did the Titans actually come from? Were they always there, or did their world-souls have another dimension that housed them before they came here?

>>48826234
>"fighting"
you mean they broke ranks and retreated as soon as something went wrong and then blamed it on Sylvanas for no reason?

>>48829189
I like how the Broken Shore cinematics were staggered so that people who only play Alliance will bitch and moan about the Horde abandoning them while Horde players have to watch Varian's "muh heroic sacrifice so brave a bloo bloo" so they knew the Alliance is full of shit

>>48830132
I boosted my one alliance character just so I could see both sides.

>>48830132
That is a far better way of encouraging subtle competition outside of gameplay between the factions than the traditional strategy of "make it look like we're favoring the other side more to make players of both sides jealous of the other"

>>48826234
>Horde fights endless waves of level 100s while the Alliance runs from a bunch of 70 and 80 elites we already killed a decade ago
sounds about right

>>48830132
>>48830196
>AHHHH, BAINE HELP ME

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>>48830274
Bane?

>>48826037
Yeah those were cool.

>>48830302
Warchief Thrall, I'm Kor'kron

>>48817313

Ayyyyyyy

>>48824576

#MakeKalimdorGreatAgain

>>48830328
You're a big orc

>>48830636
U U

U U

Ideas how a modern Arathorian Empire would look like? (It remains united and does not fall apart)

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>mortal factions memeing at each other again

ILLIDAN DID NOTHING WRONG.

L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y NOTHING WRONG.

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A friendly reminder that no king rules forever, and only death is eternal.

>>48829558
>>48829542
>>48829513
Titans, magic, titanic magic explosion in the middle of a continent.

>>48831521
Didn't we stomp on your frog ass?

>>48831080
>the Legion
>not the Old Gods
*tips green fire*

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>>48831715
Your fate is sealed! The end of days is finally upon you, and ALL those who inhabit this miserable little seedling! Uulwi ifis halahs, gag erh'ongg wssh!

>>48826542
I'd have paid to have Thrall and Varian tag team that fel reaver.

>>48828577
>Mal'ganis
MAL'GANIS IS BACK? Seriously? That fucker has been forgotten since WC3, when Arthas shanked him.

>>48831822
Hearthstone predicted this.

>"I AM MAL'GANIS! I AM ETERNAAAAL!"

>>48831822
he was in Wrath, but Blizzard dropped the plot and has you beat him until he runs back to Nathreza (which is destroyed by that point, but w/e)

>>48831851
I know he showed up in Culling of Stratholme, but that was time travel.

I mean that I do not recall him ever being referred to or shown to be alive and active since Reign of Chaos.

Though I might be forgetting something, I guess.

>>48831851
Doesn't this just cheapen the entire arc from the WC3 Human campaign. Otherwise it seems so pointless

>>48831947
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Barean_Westwind
he was pretending to be the leader of the Scarlet Onslaught

>>48831981
it wouldn't if Blizzard had done something with the plot instead of just having Mal'ganis bubblehearth out while saying that he'll get us next time

>>48828097
Pretty sure after Lor'themar nullified the high elven exile after bc but the high elves went fuck you asshole

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>>48831521
>Cast a random spell for each spell you've cast this game (targets chosen randomly).

>>48831822
Let's bring Arthas back while we're at it. I had most fun when he was around.

>>48823515
it's hell right. but there's eldritch abominations your mind literally cannot comprehend waltzing around, and also you're being tortured right in the soul every single second your spend there, being in the most agonising pain with no source aside from just existing there. as opposed to regular hell, where there's demons and shit but oh you've seen em before and you'll get stabbed by pitchforks forever but at least there's respite sometimes so you won't grow accustomed to it.

>>48832733
sounds like the void lords

>do the new Legion opening quests
>Jaina says the Horde left "us" to die on the Broken Shore
>when she wasn't even around by the time the Horde retreated
t. Varimathras

>>48833419
>>48833419
>>48833419
>>48833419

New thread

>>48832798
So what happened to the real Jaina?

>>48822972
do you reckon the second half of the nighthold fight gul'dan is gonna tear his cloak off and show us that sweet bod we saw in the movie?

>>48825832
you literally listed jaina as an example that runs counter to your point. why.

>>48825710
so is turalyon dust yet. or is there warp fuckery involved.

>>48834239
It's Twisting Nether, i ain't gotta explain shit

>>48826069
thrall fighting alliance who sank his boat and tried to capture him. i'd say it was justified even if he was neutral.

>>48826098
goblin starting experience took place after thrall stopped being warchief as he was on his way to the maelstrom

>>48826038
>new transdemon bathrooms literally only purpose is illidari dickings

>>48826027
this is why you ration your blessings

>>48834353
It's fiiine, Bolvar will just raid the chapel and get his corpse so he could have a friend for all eternity

>>48830158
>what is youtube

>>48829312
the inter class hall frat parties are gonna be insane

>>48828903
Argent Dawn EU. Once you run out of stuff to do fucking with erpers and having them try to ignore you is always fun.

>>48834564
when i say fucking i don't mean it literally though damn do those futa draenei try

>>48829337
would theramore be better or worse if jaina had died in the bomb too

>>48831783
and then spitroast gul'dan

So if I don't make a DH pre legion launch, will I miss out on all the cool spectral sight shenanigans?