SS13: d20

>>48807145
>the curse of the natural one
RIP

I feel injecting a patient with inaprovaline really takes away all sense of urgency. Injecting a critical patient gives you all the time in the world to bring them back from the brink of death.
Pilcrow had a good idea where inaprovaline increases metabolism rate the longer it is in a patient's system. I'm also considering some overdose thing or just an adverse effect on inaprovaline.

Thoughts?

>>48807747
I like that idea, I'd like there to be a chemical that slows bleeding as well, that way you can get some precious seconds to keep them going so they don't bleed out and die instantly.

back up

>>48807747
is bleeding from a cut or minor laceration still lethal within a minute or so?
small cuts ought to heal fine on thier own most of the time without any medical intervention, lacerations I can understand causing a lot of bleeding but there should be ways to control bleeding without medical tools. I.E using a grab on someone's limb, swapping to help, and upgrading the grab (ideally not something that's such a convoulted process) can be used to apply direct pressure and staunch bleeding.

>>48809799
Small cuts heal fine on their own. Minor laceration is actually the 2nd most severe cut you can get.

>>48809799
>apply direct pressure and staunch bleeding.
What if clothing were allowed as a temporary bloodstop?

>>48810504
Something like that would be good, although the ability to rip up clothes or something to turn into cloth strips to apply pressure to the wound, maybe add in tourniquets for limb wounds.

>>48811499
I could look into adding a verb to clothing to get the cloth amount back.
>tourniquete
Don't they put some sort of timer on a person? I could look into belts being used for this if that's the case.

>>48812413
tourniquets are very last ditch efforts because they're designed to stop blood flow to a limb as much as possible, if you leave it on too long the limb begins to die from lack of blood flow.

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>>48810504
all clothing or shit like that needs an action that can rip it apart and the shears were a silly bandaid fix
if we could have ripped jumpsuits or other cloth things apart in the first place we wouldn't really need to consider this because I could just nude myself or my patient to save his life
>>48812413
tourniquets are only ever used as a last resort if you can't get the bleeding to clot on its own or if you are dealing with avulsion of a limb to the extent that a major artery is bleeding. I think if just the artery is cut and the only thing that is majorly bleeding, it may be better to try and reach in and clamp the artery itself but that's just short term

if you ever need to apply one you're going to be cutting all blood off to that limb and a lot of the blood won't easily make a return trip to the lungs for oxygen, so the affected area beings dying. That's why first responders want you to mark the exact time you put one on so they know how fucked the limb is going to be when they take it off.

>>48813294
Tourniquets are literally not even used in modern first aid.

>>48814644
>being too unrobust to get his hands on shears or cloth
What happened to "git gud", freeman?

>>48814668
I keep bandages in my wallet like a proper powergamer, it's just you should be able to do common sense things like use clothing in an emergency adien let people rip their jumpsuit into shreds while it is still on them so they can act like a true retard entering rage mode

Please vote.
www.strawpoll.me/5815270/

>>48814718
does that fucking noguns still play here? ugh

>>48814708
When has SS13 ever been about common sense? Read the wiki and git gud. Dying is Fun, that's why you have respawns.

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>>48814951
nice meme
I bet you liked clicking the middle of a tile and then dying to burns on your feet from trying to grab a lightbulb with your uncovered hand

>>48815076
Right, I forgot that you once restarted the server because you used up your last respawn putting yourself into crit on a lightbulb.

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>>48815160

why are noguns allowed on the server anyway

>>48814644
I was thinking maybe using a belt on a leg/arm will stop bleeding from that limb and instead deal mangle. Then when the limb reaches max damage in mangle it will fall off.
Maybe ripping up clothing could result in bandages directly instead of cloth.
Plugging arteries with a finger? I thought about just letting people grab themselves and have these self grabs reduce bleeding.

>>48816982
no too complicated
leave tourniquets out for now
grabbing a limb that's bleeding can probably help stop it

>>48816982
>Plugging arteries with a finger?
maybe you should take a first aid course or at least google the subject matter before adding a bunch of dumb shit that makes no sense

>>48817022
I was asking if that's what freeman meant when he said:
>try and reach in and clamp the artery itself

>>48817162
freeman is a 12 year old who posts on /k/, you probably shouldnt listen to them about first aid advice

>>48817162
clamping an artery does not mean plugging it with a finger

>>48817269
How would you clamp it before getting medical attention then? Wirecutters seem like the only other option beside hemostat.

>>48817370
don't bother with something that isn't ever used

>hmm im doing emergency first aid with improvised tools

>better dig around in a wound near an arterial bleed to "clamp it" instead of just putting pressure and a bandage

freeman have you graduated high school yet you fucking noguns

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>>48820155
yes
im not saying it is encouraged medical practice to reach into an arm where a cut artery is and close it
just that stopping one from bleeding is difficult short of a touriquet

>>48820155
You can already pull objects out of your wounds with your hands but doing this will increase bleeding.

>>48820155
It's certainly an option when the bleeding is so severe direct pressure with a bandage is doing next to nothing.

>>48825082
Tourniquets still sound like a better thing to have, as a feature, than putting your hand in your wound. Especially since a grab will be used to recude bleeding on a limb. Plus most people carry belts by default.

Any spessmen want to join me on the server?

We got 5 people on now guys, come on and join.

why is this thread for a literally who server and not for /tg/

does it have anything to do with the 2014 drama

>>48829829
shut up father relaxe
___________:^) _______

>>48829829
This is a server by and for fa/tg/uys.

>>48829829
>2014 drama
???

>>48830040
so was /tg/

>>48830072
errorage shit himself and /tg/ basically turned into a recreation of the horus heresy.

TG came out of the ashes.

>>48830291
>was
hmhm

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4 people ready
get in here

>>48830291
You answered it yourself "Was" is the operative word. TGstation is no longer /tg/ this is as /tg/ as you're going to get.

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>7 ready

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>wizard round lasts less than 15 minutes
>wizard gibs everyone and calls the shuttle
this is why wizard is for 30+ players

>>48832455
I hate cunts like that because cunts like you get mad and then poop all over fun game modes
Its called
DOOR
WIZARD
you shitters,have fun casting spells and being a pseudo admin you jizz wizz play the game to play the game not to "win"
what if we made not having fun a banable offense :^)

>Mother
>Fucking
>LASER EYES

>>48833243
Shame I couldn't have given you three super hearts, the laser eyes and space breathing lungs.

>>48825513
>Tourniquets still sound like a better thing to have,
Tourniquets are not a part of modern first aid and the Hemostat already fills its role in invasive surgery. They're a stupid addition. Just make bandages stop bleeding; it's literally what they're for in real life.

>>48825082
If bleeding is that severe, the person is probably well beyond bandaging up for first aid, is well into shock, and is probably going to die. Even in cases of amputation, modern first aid doctrine is to bandage it. The bandage will soak with blood and, like a wet towel folded on itself, allow excess fluid to pool. Blood pressure is not high enough to force fluid through a properly-selected dressing, even on arterial bleeds.

t. someone who has done a first aid course ever
t. someone who received an arterial-bleeding wound once

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>>48833634
thanks friend
t. coder/admin and part time shitposter

>>48829881
whhy does he still haunt this server

he needs to be fucking banned already

>>48833663
>posting Xbowfags
>in the year of our butter [current year]
swadia
wadia
adia
dia
ia
a
>actually has cavalry
>crossbowman too
>goodfantry
how can you compete?

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>>48833710
when this motherfucker rolls up and slaps your wench's ass after your cavalry impales itself on his pikes you'll know

>>48833773
nice two handed polearm gaylord you'll need the upper arm strength to stroke the length of the sandniggers when they decide to invade you
>local noshields get wrecked by archerfire

>>48834084
>he forgot about rhodok sargents being able to wreck shit

>down to 3 people
why ya'll motherfuckers gotta do dis.

wew, almost dead thread.

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Braindeads, monkeys and corpses are good for more than just meat and genetics, they're great for blood as well!

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>Fucking around with Slare for a few hours
>showing him the cool new shit for medical
>using a braindead guy as a blood farm since he has O+ blood
>he has 6 kidneys, 3 livers and 2 hearts
>he comes back as I'm draining him into a canister
>asks what the fuck is happening
>explain everything
>his response
>"That's... pretty scary."

Why the fuck is Father Relaxe still allowed on this server?

Oh yeah, Aiden, I found a weird bug with organs, if you remove someone's liver or damage, whatever is in their blood stream doesn't process away. this can make you effectively immortal if you stick yourself with inaprov and prevents poisons and sleep toxin/chloral from affecting you. Of course you doom yourself to never being able to heal toxin damage and drugs not healing you. You're also fucked because you lock yourself to slow speed moving because you'll get hungry and thirsty.

Why are noguns allowed on this server?

>>48841128
Post your guns, time stamp and at least 3 loaded magazines for each gun.

>>48841142
>it's 4 am
>expecting good photos and cops to not be called aiming my guns out the window
lel lad

l
e
l

you first laddo

>>48841220
what do you not live in a house with lights or something? just shut the blinds, flick the lights on, take em out and post pictures. You're the one screaming about no-guns.

>>48841254
Because this is a proguns server and antigun noguns soccer mom shills need to fucking go. Like you. where are YOUR guns? you fucking antigunner piece of shit. you are NOT WELCOME here.

>>48841271
Oh you're the same guy who shit posts about father relaxe, shoulda figured when the poster count wasn't going up, here's your (You).

Do us all a favor and post your Ckey then kys.

Why do noguns insist on ruining our server?

You should have to pass a marksmanship test before playing here. Noguns are the cancer killing d20. Just look at Relaxe..........

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>>48841280
its a meme you dip

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>>48841468

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Ay anyone up for some early morning spaceman?

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5 people yo, let's get this shit going.

So turns out birdshots lose half their damage to drofoff after 3 tiles, due to how this mechanic works. Right now I'm looking at delaying the dropoff until after the first 3 turfs. This increases the maximum effective range of ranged weapons from melee to 3.

Alternatively I could change the way the dropoff works for specific ammo types. Right now every bullet loses a flat amount of damage after every turf and this affects buckshots/birdshots way harder because they have multiple low damage bullets. I could turn this flat amount into something the bullet has as a var and change it for the ammo types that have issues.

>>48849479
I'd say bump it up the drop off distance to at least 5 tiles and reduce the amount of damage fall off, because .8 per tile is way too much.

>>48849479
damage dropoff needs only apply at long distances i.e down hallways and even then it's a bullet and should still be lethal after what is to scale about 50 meters or 20 tiles

>>48850197
The pellets from birdshot shells are reduced to 0 damage after 7 turfs right now.

>>48850197
Yeah, as it is right now, after 7 tiles birdshot does absolutely zero damage. You lose about 5 damage from 7 tiles away, which is quite a bit, especially since it's completely flat scaling.

>>48850251
which is dumb because the spread will already make the damage shit

why are shotgun shells suddenly becoming shotguns from call of duty? I don't think we even need damage drop off for anything beyond muh realisms, even then you wouldn't get any noticeable damage drop from distances illustrated in this game on a cramped space station.

>>48850341
>I don't think we even need damage drop off for anything beyond muh realisms
Well it's always been in the game.

>>48850341
>>48850356
I agree with Freeman here, damage drop off wouldn't even happen unless you were shooting someone at the medbay desk from the wall in arrivals.

if each tile is about 2.5 meters according to him, that means the station is roughly 120 meters from arrivals to medbay desk by 180 meters from the gas mixing room to the comms console. Which for the rifles in the game, wouldn't make much of a difference.

The majority of fights would happen within the same department anyways so you shouldn't have drop off at all.

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>>48850356
then why is birdshot and buckshot just now not hurting anything

I know there has been "inaccuracies" associated with projectiles after range in that they deviate from the targeted body part (which usually works more to your advantage anyways), but not damage drop off to this scale. And that wouldn't be a good reason to keep it in anyways.

>>48850638
>just now
We only just now gathered data on this. So it's always been like this except we're only now finding it out.
I'll diff the file, see when it was added if at all.

>>48850638
>>48850678
It's been in the game since September 10th 2015.

>>48850758
Odd, I've never really noticed it in game until now.

>>48850911
Me either, but when the last time you were slapping your victim with a health analyzer after every shot?

>>48850956
Good point, I've never really got my hands on the shotgun either because either A someone else took or B since it's such a pain in the ass to carry I just took a sec pistol instead.

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>>48850758
>>48850678
there could be other factors that are just now having it show

might be a side effect of your medical system or something, i've never noticed these shells getting such horrible damage fall off until now

>>48851056
Yeah, I noticed around the same time as the new medical update, I shot a dude a bunch of times with the shotgun and he barely felt it, which lead me to do some testing of my own when the server was empty. Interestingly, because of the way how bleed works, birdshot and buckshot only really cause superficial wounds.

>>48851098
that and being able to layer armor vests without too much pentaly are probably contributing to breaking everything

>>48851112
oh fuck armor stacking is so broken
>playing HoS
>stack dermal and hat and stab vest and HoS coat
>Be stupid and let Aiden get into bridge
>This goes as expected when he locks me into the armory
>manage to escape by the skin of my teeth with all my stuff when slips on his own trap
>intense firefight all round
>he finally gets me in medbay because I was bleeding bad and you lose hunger and thirst way too quick
>stuns me
>spends TWO eguns trying to take me down and a taser and a half keeping me stunned
>tries harmbatoning me but armor absorbs the blow
>finally die after he hits my legs enough

>>48851112
Although thankfully, you can't ever get full coverage on all your limbs, and getting decent coverage for limbs requires stealing the HoS coat.

Although spawning as a captain and stacking the captain's armor that spawns in the locker in the captain's office can give you 100 resistance to every common form of damage in the game o n your torso and groin.

>>48851056
>side effect of your medical
Nope. Although I did change something in the function that deals damage after armor for projectiles, my code isn't run until after the damage is applied. The numbers have been fudged for a while now it just took:
>>48851098
>which lead me to do some testing
for people to find out.
>>48851374
>torso and groin
They're both chest.

>>48854007
>Mezzo

Man, is he even still with us any more?

>>48854007
I like this comic but only because im in it and i understand the references

>>48851431
don't be so cock sure m8.
>>48854260
no he's off doing whatever now and his unfinished projects stagnate with him

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>>48817370
>Medfag here.
You can clamp an artery with pic related (left one)
It locks it's self closed on the artery, using a different type of tool may lead to cutting and tearing, or retraction of the artery/vein.
This is something medical personnel can do, but I wouldn't recommend someone just go and try it out, they'd likely fuck it up.

>>48833634
Also tourniquets are still tough for life saving usage in combat scenarios.

>>48860570
thank you based medfag

DORF WHEN

>>48862632
Never, all dorf does is kill the server and stagnate.

>>48854007
Now I shall eagerly await the most updated version of the comic.

http://d20station.ddns.net/changelog.html
Patched up the serb.

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>>48862924
>the most updated version of the comic
Here you go, no need to thank me.

>>48862982
>No "hey let's play"
>No "Relaxe shit posting"
>Op is the only one talking
6/10 you came close.

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>>48862949
>Can now grab yourself
>Can not choke yourself out
fucking fascist admins not letting me ERP death by autoerotique asphyxiation reee

>>48863004
It's an abstract kind of hell, anon.

>>48862949
>Can now grab yourself
I hope this doesn't imply what implies.
>throwing yourself
>throwing yourself while prone to get under the flaps

>>48863025
>tfw we were peaking at like 10+ players every day just a week or two ago
>fallout server pops up
>we peaked at 4 yesterday and me and aiden were the only people who wasn't a newfriend
It's pure suffering, the fallout server isn't even anything super amazing, it's just base /tg/ code with a bleeding system based entirely on brute and OP mobs.

>>48863034
Can't throw or table yourself, the most you can do is set your own broken bones.

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>>48863008
Well even if I made choking yourself possible you would still weaken yourself causing you to drop your grab.
>>48863034
Forgot to mention that in the changelog.
>Can not throw yourself
>>48862982
>mfw

Anyone want to play some spessmen?

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>>48863065
Come on and join anon I'm already waiting.

3 people ready
get in here

>downloading resources
Fuck

>Total Players: 6

>curtains block sight but not light
Disappointed

>>48864003
try turning the lights off and on again

wew, thread is almost ded

I like the Griff gun's flavor text.
Something tells me freeman wrote it.

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Y'all ready for this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avcS0aYJ2a8

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need 3 more for the red team
and a blue team

>>48864003
good catch, nobody had ever brought that to my attention before.
I'll fix that right now.

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>almost have enough people for a 5v5 B-ball match
>central hallway in front of brig gets blown up
>estimate it would take about 30 minutes to fix it
>call the shuttle instead
>clown murders bartender in maint
>get to murder a clown i guess
>suicide in the shuttle
>clown had to protect me as an objective
>no green text
>no basketball
>no hope

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>>48862949
>made ripping jumpsuits result directly in bandages instead of cloth like it should

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>>48869151

>>48869155
cloth should always just have been bandages freeman

>>48869396
true but then does that mean we should just have the cloth item function as a bandage anyways

>>48869472
thats what I wanted originally, mezzo is the one who forced it to be different.
You know, when he made shears a thing, instead of listening to people who wanted to make ripping their own jumpsuit a thing.
(I was opting for any object that could be considered sharp allowing you to do something similar to how shears work)

>>48864003
looking into the issue and it seems that setting the opacity on any non-movable atom is the issue, as it's boilerplate specifically ignores

>>48840121
>O+
you want O- actually, O+ can only be given to + bloodtypes.
O- is the universal donor, AB+ is the universal receiver

>>48869603
>any object that could be considered sharp
that reminds me - whatever happened to that idea of attaching either flags or a var to objects to let them distinguish whether they're sharp or blunt (or potentially something else, like with welders)?
it'd be pretty useful for a bunch of things, considering, and if you make it more granular (with something like a 'very' modifier or more, for very sharp/very blunt stuff) then you could easily have stuff like scalpels, glass shards and knives be easy to cut cloth up with, cause more bleeding, and so on, where blunt and very blunt stuff would be more effective at breaking bones

guess it would be a pain to implement on every item required though.

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>>48870113
its just one of the many things i've wanted to do but never got around to doing it
i actually had a large system laid out including physical stats for humans, the stamina was part of it.

>>48870291
Fitness update when

Why are noguns allowed on this server?

>>48871920
because not everyone lives in countries where the people have rights

>>48849479
>>48850197
damage dropoff is not realistic. that's not how bullets work.

>>48872018
Noguns shouldn't play here. This is the /k/ server. Do we let europoors and leafs on /k/? No. We fucking don't.

>>48872028
As a hasguns i want to let you know that you are worse than people who open carry rifles just to annoy people and bother the police.

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>>48872028
>this is the /k/ server
0/10 shitpost
apply yourself

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>>48872083
funs are the basis of all Freedoms. if you don't own funs, you are a noguns who does not deserve to play on our free server.

>>48872084
this has always been the most robust server for the most robust people, especially because of the wide range of guns available and their realistic operation. go back to /vg/, tgstationposter.

>>48872177
quit being retarded thats my job shitlord
father relaxe

>>48872196
>Father Relaxe
That guy needs to be banned, the fucking noguns liberal piece of valid-hunting shit.

>>48872228
father relaxe

Why are liberals and noguns allowed on this server? The only worse kind of person is a fucking leaf.

>>48872308
father please just relaxe

Fucking leafs ruined this server with their noguns valid-hunting bullshit. Just rangeban Canada already, for the love of God.

>>48872359
daddy calm

>>48872084
This IS the /k/ server though.

>>48870291
>>48870729
Why haven't you rangebanned all non-americans yet?

>>48872537
>thread on /tg/
>nu-uh it's /k/
>>48872611
What you don't want my European code?

>>48872646
noguns get out

>>48872670
>not knowing about Switzerland
>american education

>>48872646
why don't you do threads on /k/?

>>48872913
you'll cowards don't even post threads.

>>>/k/31030549
>>>/k/31030549
>>>/k/31030549

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>>48873055
now this is shitposting

>>48873055
>k shuts it down in one post
Wow you were right, this IS the /k/ server

>>48873583
They just don't know how many different FAMASes we have. They'll learn.

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Sec bump

New RCD system is great, although I feel as though it should tell you what settings it's on when you examine it.

New round starting soon get in here nerds

>>48879432
Taser is superior and doesn't leave a mess.

>>48883908
>3 shots is superior to 12

>>48883935
Sure is. Git gud and upgrade.

>>48884096
Nah, I prefer my versatility and 2 round burst.

4 people playing, get in here

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>>48872611
im non-american

>>48887412
What's your opinion on the noguns menace we've been facing on the server for the past year or so?

Are YOU a noguns?

>>48888737
we've been over this im not a noguns im just a noshoot cause im not a psychopathic killer and cant be bothered to hunt.
/k/ is full of noguns who think rifle rounds are good home defense rounds that don't damage all your shit and your family/neighbours as you full auto the drywall

>>48888785
>rifle rounds are bad for home defense
So what you're saying is that you're indeed a noguns who doesn't know anything about funs.

Shall Not Be Infringed, you piece of shit.

>>48888927
post ckey you meming little noguns cod kiddy faggot shit

>>48888957
>he thinks HD rifles are full-auto
why do we let noguns run this place?

>>48889203
im a shotgun birdshot kind of guy faggot

>>48889322
>thinks HD rifles are full-auto
>thinks normal gun owners have access to full-auto funs

what's it like being a noguns from toronto?

>>48889729
>>48889322
quit rudeposting shitlords

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>>48889729
>toronto

>>48889775
im not rude posting

>>48889775
The really rude thing is to try playing on the /k/est server around without actually being /k/.

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>>48889830

>>48889322
>birdshot
>useful in HD
What is this shit posting or do you genuinely believe this shit?

Can someone post the current station map?

Has something changed or broken with pAIs? I can't see to access my software interface

>>48815212
so you can shoot them, cuff them and forcefeed them deep fried superbite burgers while yelling the constitution at them.

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bump

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Bump

Dorf might be a little late tonight. I planned to throw it up about 3 hours from now. But it is quite busy at work so I may need to stay late.

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bumperino

Just got home, gotta get beer, commit, compile then host.

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>>48902821
MFW no one is on

>>48902882
3 people on

we got a load of bar stuff, anyone good at making comfy bars?
about to reach the point where we can start construction, any builder dorfs?
always need more mining/looting, combat dorfs?

Does anyone here know anyone willing to help me with spriting?

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>>48905535
Someone made this neat guide once

>>48905645
numnums
t. styles

>>48895113
I never play pAI. What used to work that's now broken?

>>48907949
The software interface button now does nothing, though it does seem to be trying to open a new window because it unselected the window I had ss13 on

>>48908571
dump?