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Skarre's Great Rack Edition

Mk3 list building: http://conflictchamber.com

Warmachine/Hordes Books, No Quarter, IKRPG, & SkullIslandExpeditions
textuploader <dot> com / 5e4p5
PP Youtube (gameplay tutorials, tournament coverage, and announcements)
https://www.youtube.com/user/PrivateerPressPrime

Latest Errata:
http://files.privateerpress.com/op/errata/WMH-Errata-July-1016.pdf

Steamroller Rules
http://privateerpress.com/organized-play/steamroller-tournaments

The Giant List of Podcasts and Blogs
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?76379-Warmachine-Hordes-related-blogs-websites-and-forums

Table of contents for all NQ issues
http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?4313-Table-Of-Contents-For-All-No-Quarter-Issues

Lexicanum Iron Kingdoms Lore wiki:
http://warmachine.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

MK3 RULES:
http://files.privateerpress.com/allnewwar/Prime.pdf
http://files.privateerpress.com/allnewwar/Primal.pdf
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5OHGgAx7q66NUdvUFp3LWVQRlE&usp=drive_web

Warmachine/Hordes Army Creator (WHAC) .apk
http://charbon-et-charentaise.org/blog/content/app-release.apk

Most recent insider
http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-08-12-2016
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Still no release date for the Skorne/Ios/Goreshade novel. Anyone else really want this book to come out already? I need to know what the hell happened with these three groups. Especially since Divine Intervention was mentioned.
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Trying to get anons at my LGS into Warmahordes. The LGS owner has a hands off policy of "Until X people ask me to stock something, I'm not buying anything related to it." So for testing purposes, I'm going to have to buy two of the battlegroups to teach people how to play, get them interested.

What would be two good groups to start with? I'd prefer to do Warmachine v Warmachine, or Warmachine v Horde. Not so much Horde v Horde.
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>>48794973
I'd either go with the new 2 player battlebox or Cygnar v Khador as they are the most iconic factions.
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I still haven't had a chance to get a Mk 3 game in yet but I recently picked up the Ret BB, a Soulless Escort, Soulless Voidtracer, & Lanyssa.

I really like Hellyna on paper. Anyone have any early mk3 experiences they want to share?
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Managed to get my hands on the Rhulic starter.
What am i even in for with this particular part of the mercenaries.
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>>48796403
Helynna is a beast, but she needs two things to be the beast she dreams to be.
1. An Arc Node
2. Sylys the Warcaster attachment

With Sylys he upkeeps RoW for her then applies his buff to her every turn

This leaves her with all 7 focus to spend. 3 for Deceleration vs armies it matters on and 4 to spend on an Oblit or on a boosted Hand of Destruction.

Oblit wont always get to shine, but the fear of it will change how your opponent advances and clusters his shit. For example a spread out Strider unit wont be as big a threat because they wont all be in range to shoot a target.

Hand of Destruction+Manticore shooting is fucked up. I aimed, got 3 shots, pointed em all at a crusader, boosted damage on all three, had Hand of Destruction on said Crusader, and broke the movement as well as a good number of hull boxes. It was brutal.

Then Rhythem of war can keep your arc nodes and lower range jacks safe.

Considering a list with 5 heavies, and 3 arcanists to take advantage of shooting. Armor 20 and 21 jacks of doom.
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Probably a dumb question but how tall are the PP bases? I'm trying to magnetize the bases of my models so I can just fit them in a toolbox. But I want to be absolutely certain whatever magnets I order will be the right size.
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>>48794353

Yeah, you can't dangle fluff like that and keep people from forking over their money for it. I'd have impulse-buy'd that. Now I'm just schedule-camping.
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>>48798272

Don't have dimensions for you anon (I recommend just taking the dimensions yourself), but I'll give you some hard-earned experience on that one- tape measures tend to be metal...
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>>48798493
That and many people use metal rings for clouds/scathers. Hard to position models with magnetic bases near them.
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>>48797529
Rhulic is pretty solid especially in the ARM category and Ossrum is probably their best caster. Fact is you can pick-n-mix your mercs in mk3 so there's no need to tie yourself down to one theme.
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>>48794973
For Hordes, just don't get Trolls.

On that side, Circle has the best battlebox.
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>>48798848
>just don't get Skorne
fixed
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>>48798713
Yes. But I prefer to keep my army thematic. So I'm trying to figure out the best way to do a rhulic force in MK3
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>>48798900

People actual PLAY Skorne.

Granted, it seems to be the same impulse that has other people play games on Nightmare setting, but they seem to be getting something worthwhile out of it.
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>>48798848
>Madrak2 theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNypbmPPDco
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>>48798900
>>48798972

I was referring to the Battleboxes specifically, not making a comment on faction balance.
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Does epic feora's coninuous fire upkeep also benefit the little AOEs that come off the Judicator's rockets?
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>>48794284
>Skarre's great rack

is she confirmed setting's biggest whore?

anyone get the mini?
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>>48800954
>is she confirmed setting's biggest whore?
I wouldn't call her a whore but all Satyxis definitely have big appetites both sexual and murderous.
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>>48800876
I think so; they did in Mk2, and while the ability is now an upkeep instead of a bond, I don't think anything relevant to it has changed.
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>>48802614
>>48802614
I am gonna hate playing against that then. Oh well. At least I have some good beast casters.
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>>48800954
At least Skarre never seems to have sucked someone off for information like Denegrah did.
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>>48802819
I'd be more concerned about Malekus, honestly. He's kinda the new Feora2.
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>>48803016
Yeah, while Skarre seems like the kind who would gladly suck someone off, I feel like that's only something she'd do for pleasure. I figure she's much more of a torture person when it comes to getting information.
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>>48803016
Did that seriously happen?
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MFW when the cards leaked Menites were crying salty rivers about how all their shit is trash after the Choir nerfs
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>>48803097
Yuuuup, disguised as her sister and blew a trencher.
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>>48803125
You infidels only get to be on top until the Revelator actually gets released.
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>>48803067
I am more afraid of the sunbursts. Now they dont need to pay for a jack to drop 4 inch death on my infantry.
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>>48803133
Holy shit. I bet his friends would never believe him.
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>>48803219
They're insanely good. Like, auto-include in every Protectorate list good.

And under Malekus, on feat turn, both direct and indirect hits get an extra die, what they set on fire can't go out, and it gets an extra die when it burns.
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>>48803302
Definitely not, since I think she killed him.
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>>48803302
Mk1 has some hilarious fluff.

There is a scene where Haley goes looking for Skarre in a bar and Haley finds her practically having sex with a dude already at the bar itself.
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>>48803302
That's why Denny has seduction, by the way.
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>>48803323
Ha! fuck man. That would never make it in the novels huh?
>>48803315
Yeah, they have been annoying this journeyman league. Really annoying.
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>>48803133
>>48803323
did we read the same books? do you have a source on these
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>>48803454
I believe Denny and the trencher is from the "Courage" story in NQ 1 or 2. Deneghra was still living at the time.

Haley's encounter with Skarre at the pub was in Apotheosis or Superiority. I can't look at the PDFs at the moment but I remember there being artwork of Haley choking Skarre with her mechanical arm.
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>>48803454
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>>48803774
Honestly, the best part about Skarre is that in Mk1 they gave her the most stereotypical pirate accent you can imagine. It's just wonderful.
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>>48803802
I hope all satyxis talk like that.
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What color are Satyxis supposed to be? Between the books and the studio paint schemes, they're all over the place. Blue, white, grey, normal flesh tones, which is it?
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>>48803774
Doesnt say she was RIDING him.
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>>48805171

Blue seems to be more common than any other? But it seems to vary really wildly by artist, and there is no canon answer, to my knowledge.
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>>48803323

>Haley finds her practically having sex with a dude
>Skarre straddled his lap

I mean, it's hyperbole, but she was pretty much just grinding on the dude right there at the bar, and it's pretty obvious exactly where she was going with it.
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>>48800954

I sincerely doubt Skarre has ever sold her body for money. She is a raw, unapologetic hedonist, though, which does involve a LOT of fucking. Also, that art always bothered me. Her horns are like three times that big.
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>>48805171
Pale blue-grey, IMO, with white-on-black eyes. Just painting them to look like humans with horns and pointy ears looks really boring.

On which note, does anyone have a large version of the new Satyxis Raider art? I need a new desktop wallpaper.
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>>48805268
>She is a raw, unapologetic hedonist, though

Has there actually been any fiction about her since her fight with Haley in Mk1? About the only time she's mentioned in Mk2 that I can remember is when Sloan spies on her preparing to receive the Athanc convoy. I love the Satyxis, but they always felt kind of sidelined and ignored in the fluff.
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>>48803341
>That's why Denny has seduction
Because she can turn into her hotter sister?
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>>48806074
>I slept with one of the identical Haley twins!
>Which one?
>The hotter one!
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>>48806120
>identical
Well one of them is like a zombie ghost wraith thingy.
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>>48806128
Not back when she had Dark Seduction she wasn't.
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>>48805190
>>48805254
It's cute about it, but it makes it pretty clear that she was all over him.
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>>48806337
What the fuck man,these parts seem to have come out of writing hell.They paint Skarre and Denny more like horny teens than scary eldritch abomination worshippers.
Seriously,this is probably the lowest point in the fluff.
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>>48806960
Deneghra at least seems to have matured as a character. There's only one slightly awkward moment where she's trying to seduce Karchev whilst he was captured, the rest of the time she's playing house with her husbundo Asphixious. Sadly Skarre seems to have been left by the wayside.
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>>48806975
>the rest of the time she's playing house with her husbundo Asphixious
Don't forget all the times she's been haunting and/or bonding with her sister. Getting ripped in half really took the edge off the sibling rivalry thing for her.
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>>48806975
>seduce Karchev
Isn't that guy a head in a jar?
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>>48806975
Seduce Karchev?Did she seriously try to seduce a hundred year old dude hooked up to life-support in a giant metal coffin,kept alive only by his rage?
Lol,it's like their trying to cement the fact that she's just a walking pair of tits.Playing house with Gaspy doesn't help,since he desperately needs a hand from smcv territory.The type of bond they have isn't even developed much,since Gaspy is pretty non-chalant about using her
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>>48807069
Actually, their bond is pretty heavily explored. They alternate between honestly loving each other(and yea, Denny seems to be the only person Gaspy has any real, honest feelings towards) and a father/daughter relationship
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>>48807123
Tbh,I haven't read the denny/gaspy parts so much because the characters seem uninteresting,but does Gaspy legit love denny?Man,that seems weird
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>>48807158
I also just realized that makes Gaspy the biggest pedo/sugar daddy in the setting
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>>48807069
>Did she seriously try to seduce a hundred year old dude hooked up to life-support in a giant metal coffin,kept alive only by his rage?

At that point he had been ripped out of his armour and was being kept alive as Cryx's prisoner. She didn't actually want to have sex with him, if that was even possible, she was trying to undermine his resolve and break his spirit. It didn't work and she quickly abandoned it.

>The type of bond they have isn't even developed much,since Gaspy is pretty non-chalant about using her

Nope, by the last Mk2 book he views her with a great deal of favour, possibly even affection. When she rides out to cover his escape, he's genuinely worried at the prospect of her dying. I mean, he's a Lich, so his emotions are going to be strange and muted, but he definitely feels something for her.
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>>48807174
Unfortunately that still makes Gasp a shitty character imo,that's not how you would expect a 16 century old lich to think or behave
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>>48807429
So he's a shitty character because he doesn't fit the broad conceptions of how an Lich should act? Frankly, the fact that he's more than a generic mustache-twirling baddie who views everyone around him as a disposable minion shows he isn't a shitty character. There's more to him than his stereotype.
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>>48807472
No,what I'm trying to say is actually the opposite,he isn't more than his stereotype,because his actions and mindset paint him as just an evil,selfish human.His motivation is just hoarding more and more power,which is boring as shit.
And his feelings towards Denny don't make him more developed imo,because it looks like he just discovered emotion for the first time.You'd expect someone older than a millenium to be more in control of himself.
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>>48806337
Erm that pretty much states only that she drained the life off him, not fucked him.
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>>48803802
I love Skarre's pirate accent! That's not even close to the best of the bizarre Mk1 dialog writing though. Dig up that piece where Vlad shows up to back Irusk with "all" the berserkers. He talks like Bela Lugosi's Dracula... or The Count from Sesame Street. "Good evening! I have come with zees berzerkers... to vipe and vash your vindows! Ah ah ah ah!"

It makes me sad they didn't introduce Gators until Mk2. They probably would have talked like Leatherhead from the TMNT cartoon.
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>>48807702
Well, yeah, that was a desperation move though. Haley pulled a coitus interruptus on her.
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>>48807702
You are correct.

However, it also makes it pretty clear that just seconds ago she was gearing up to fuck the shit out of him.
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>>48807069
>Denny as a walking pair of tits
To be fair to the privateer press writers, I'm not really sure how you'd take a character who's battle armor features a bare midriff, fishnets, and what appears to be an integral breast pump and NOT sexualize her. I think they're just doing their best with what they were given (and, in this case, what they were given is some weird fantasy Matt Wilson had when he was 15 and drew a picture of in the back of his trapper keeper).
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>>48807158
He's practically been her father since Skarre kidnapped her. She's a powerful warcaster, she's tricky enough to have a Lich Lord killed and make it look like she had nothing to do with it (although not going "LOOK AT ME, MY OLD BOSS IS A SWORD" like Asphyxious did helps sell the innocence), so she's mastered Cryxian life in a few decades and running circles around people who've been doing it for centuries.

On top of that she's legitimately loyal, which is pretty damn rare where Cryx is concerned.

>>48807589
Gaspy is Shakesperean Skeletor. This whole idea that Liches are "emotionless" falls kind of hollow when they all get angry at every imagined slight and setback.

Even if he just views her as his favorite weapon, she's really a damn good weapon. In like a decade she helped him take over not one, but TWO lich lord's domains. She might as well be the second coming of Thamar. Why should he not be upset at the prospect of throwing her away like some random scrap thrall without even really getting anything out of the deal?
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>>48807715
>It makes me sad they didn't introduce Gators until Mk2. They probably would have talked like Leatherhead from the TMNT cartoon.

When Wrongeye/Snapjaw and Rorsh/Brine came out, I was very seriously tempted to make a Morghul Foot Clan army
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>>48807715
Hah,the campy talking is a great part of mk1,wish they would keep it.Cajun gators would've been the bomb
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>>48807808
I definitely agree with your points,but my problem is still that gaspy and denny are fundamentally the blandest wmh characters,gaspy being the most egregious example,since now he seems even more incompetent
But that's like,just my opinion,man
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>>48807808
>"LOOK AT ME, MY OLD BOSS IS A SWORD" - Gaspy
Strange skeleton robots floating around and turning each other into swords is no basis for a system of government!
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>>48794284
WHO DARES TALK ABOUT WRACKS?! BEST WRACKS CAN BE FOUND WITHIN THE HOLY LANDS OF THE PROTECTORATE!
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>>48808178
REZNIK WHY IS YOUR HEAD SO TINY
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>>48808027
Doesn't bother me if you think Gaspy is bland because he's a generic "I want to have all the power just because!" guy, but I don't see how it's incompetence when he steps out of that box every once in a while.

Meanwhile, I am just infinitely amused every time Denegrah gets to do stuff.

>Sister, there's a Lich Lord coming! You'd better not mess with him!
>OH NO, MORBUS IS DEAD! HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED?

>Nemo's gonna get poisoned fighting Khador, you better go there and stop it or else he'll die. Oh, and you can't just warn him, because just us talking is pretty much treason for you.
>SISTER, YOU HAVE BEEN POISONED? HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPP.... Oh hey, free Karchev.

>Remember all those robots and zombies my master didn't want you to have? Here, take some robots and zombies so our bosses don't have a big dumb slap fight while we're fighting literally every civilized nation at once.
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>>48808253
>>Remember all those robots and zombies my master didn't want you to have? Here, take some robots and zombies so our bosses don't have a big dumb slap fight while we're fighting literally every civilized nation at once.

The ending of Collosals is still my favorite bit of Gaspy/Denny fluff. Where she's standing on the Necromanufactorum walls, getting trashed by Cygnar and Khador, utterly convinced that Gaspy has decided to let her die for going behind his back...and then he appears, and he's just like "sorry baby, had to pretend I was mad at you to lure out our enemies. I brought you some Krakens. Let's fuck these losers up."

Supervillain romance is the BEST.
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>>48807900
>>48807715
I've always pictured Farrows speaking in a thick southern accent and Gatormen with a Louisiana Bayou one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76A8AdSnLe8
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Seems like the place to ask, I used to play back in mk2 pretty casually and have been looking to get back into the game with a friend. I play trolls and he plays circle, is there a particular meta that's arisen? Is there a unit in either faction we should be taking?
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http://www.warmahordesreleaseschedule.com/

Victor and some of the new Mk3 stuff out in November.

Where is my Revelator? Why has Menoth forsaken me?
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>>48809201
Depends on when you played Mk2.

For Trolls, unless you went seriously meat mountain, they haven't changed that much. With the exception of eMadrak who is now OH MY GOD HE JUST KILLED MY ENTIRE ARMY BY HIMSELF AND IS INVINCIBLE. Burrowers kind of suck now, though.

Circle is also relatively unchanged, although their infantry somehow got worse, and Bradigus went from vying for the best caster in the game to terrible. Wurmwood (the tree is now the caster, Cassius is just his pet) and Tanith (the new Mk3 battlebox caster) are probably the best Circle casters now. The Argus is actually good now. Otherwise, no huge changes to Circle.
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>>48807726
>>48807740
She could be seducing a guy to drain the fucking life off him lol.
VTM style.
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is the woldwrath worth buying? I want to get him but does he on really go with Baldur2 and that's pretty much it?
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>>48803016
That always bothers me. Why would you continue to give the blow job if you got the info?
>inb4 my girlfriend loooves sucking me off
i bet you still believe in santa too.
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>>48806975
Denny & Gaspy's playing house is my favorite part of the fluff. I wish there was more of it especially after their weird almost hug in the last book
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>>48808301
I like when he revives her in Apotheosis, followed by when Denny pretends to want to kill him in the Aporheosis wrap up but just uses Eclipse to bop him away
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>>48810264
In terms of power, she's basically an Iron Lich.

If she wanted to just drain someone, she could pretty much have anyone she wanted without any fuss.
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>>48808233
IT CONTAINS ALL THE INTELLIGENCE I REQUIRE!
THINK ME FUNNY? MEET FIST!
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>>48808233
blessed is the mind too small for doubt
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>>48811293
Well she is vile, evil and etc. She might want to play with her prey.
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>>48803322
And turned him into a Bane Thrall.
And now his Bane friends would not believe him...
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>>48806128
Yeah, that's the hotter one.
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If we're all done talking about Skarre and Denny''s sex lives, the crossroads of courage campaign rules are up.

Holden is a merc/minion weapon attachment.
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>>48813007
Does he save people while in terrain granting concealment?
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>>48813007
I'm annoyed they didn't show us the base card in the pdf. We know his combat stats but not what makes the two different.
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Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points

(Madrak 2) Madrak Ironhide, World Ender [+28]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Troll Bouncer [9]
- Slag Troll [10]
- Pyre Troll [9]
Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15]
Trollkin Champions (max) [17]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Fell Caller Hero [5]
Troll Whelps [4]

Can someone advise me on this list? I'm kinda not happy with it but I'm unsure what I want to change about
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>>48808178
Those fucking pauldrons are retarded. If they were any longer they would completely eclipse his hand. They probably weigh like 75 pounds each and do fuck-all in combat. That is seriously the stupidest shit I have ever seen.
and I fucking love it.
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>>48813728
You get the actual cards with the league kit, but since you're being lazy

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?259549-Crossroads-of-Courage-Season-One-rules-now-available&p=3649331&viewfull=1#post3649331
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>>48814750
>You get the actual cards with the league kit
No shit! Really? I had no idea. I couldn't have wanted to see what the model does before hand or anything, since this is the start of a league and I'd like to get hyped.

Thanks for the link, but I honestly didn't expect him to share the cards there if they weren't in the main post and I didn't have any other reason to go to PP's forums.
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>>48813166
Naw, he's a big phoney
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>>48810346

>is the woldwrath worth buying?

Yes.

>I want to get him but does he on really go with Baldur2 and that's pretty much it?

No.

He's got game with Morvahna1 (ARM buff + she likes his animus), Kromac1 (ARM buff, and he's happy to have a nice big gun to power Warpath), and Kromac2 (Primal Shock + animus, and Retaliatory Strike on it is... pretty good).
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>Gencon Q&A Plus Presentation from PP
>Jokes being made that don't look forward to much after LNL
>They can't even display video they brought because "someone didn't think about a HDMI cord"

Is this company ran by children?
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>>48815955
Yes.
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>>48814045
Too many beasts. Get warders instead of champs.
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>>48815955
Do you not remember their LnL keynote?

Like, I have no doubt that ultimately, most of the team are pretty good devs and decent players. But their public relations is well known for being absolute dogshit.

I mean fuck, the rumor still goes that they were so bad at LnL because of the card leaks pissing them off, which, if true, then yes, means the company is ran by children.
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>>48816871
The reason LnL was shit was because Plummer quit and left everyone hanging. So they scrapped together what they could even though they knew it was gonna be shit.
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>>48816819
Why warders instead of champs, won't the list be a bit pillowfisted without them?
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>>48817482
You have blood fury.
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>>48817672
Fair point
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>>48817438
PP's employee retention rate is shit because they are a shit company.
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>>48808329
Every time our resident Farrow player kicks on his Road Hog's speed boost I can't help but hear this in my head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY4RAtFftR0#t=2m37s
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>>48808329
>>48821759
I picture their accent more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phPMSCcpb40

Considering that Carver is basically Idi Amin Dada
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>>48805171
Did mine in red because fuck fluff.
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So, when will CoC get another miniature?
MKVI?
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>>48823909
Best guess is late next year for a book, everyone keeps talking about them getting new shit before that though.
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>running Rahn and Friends for the first time
>fighting Trolls for the first time
>end up fishing Doomshaper1 out of his lines on my feat turn with a channeled Force Hammer knockdown, a well placed Magister, and a Battle Mage unit that drags him all the way to themselves but only take him down to half health
>next turn his Mountain King and its entourage engage and/or murder my entire core while he pops feat
>final surviving Battle Mage scoots for an angle and slaps Doom with Beat Back towards my table edge
>end the game with a hail mary charge from Rahn that manages to kill him over a wall with two boosted polearm swings before feat damage can burn him down
>really awkward handshake ensues

When the internet said Rahn was an assassination caster, this wasn't what I had in mind.
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>>48823909
Well get new models in our book speculated to come out around next Lock and load. I'd like to see something at like Warmachine weekend but I wouldnt hold my breath
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For a 50 point list, how does this look? I'm building up from the Ret BB.

Hellena
Imperatus
Manticore
Griphon
Chimera
6 Sentinels
6 Invictors
2 Arcanists
1 Ghost Sniper

Alternatively, I could drop an Arcanist and the Invictors, and increase the Sentinels to 10 men, plus the UA.
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>>48826499
Imperatus has little synergy with Helynna. Drop him for your choice of Disco or a Banshee since Helynna will get more out of them.

Disco has a great troop clearing spray and her Imprint combined with decel is crazy.

Banshee has a 12 inch gun, boost the attack n damage role then use a Manticore to unload d3 boosted pow12s for hilarious long range damage.
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Hi, I,m thinking about my first list (50pts).
What do you think about it ?
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>>48826938
And with the points I'll save? Disco and Banshee are slightly cheaper, IIRC. Also, did you have any thoughts on the Sentinel/Invictus thing?
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>>48827160
Does Kreoss really want a Revenger?
Do the Errants not want their UA (and do they want it less than the Seneshal?)?
Do you really need a max Choir for 3 jacks?
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>>48827213
Both of them have synergy with Helynna. Sents become harder to kill. Invictors have amazing shooting.

Personally I'd drop one units and max+ua the other or spend the saved points of a Scyir
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>>48826499
You need a Sylys with Helynna.
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>>48826938
I would disagree about Imperatus, he is by far our best jack and i find it very hard to justify not always taking him with every caster.
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>>48828303
There's no doubt Imperatus is the best, but that's somewhat justified by his price tag. Always worth keeping in mind he's as much as a heavy + a light (on average), so he needs to be doing a lot of work to pull his weight.

When a caster can take Imperatus to that next level (and many can), the answer to that question is usually a resounding "YES". But if you can do the same job in a list with a lesser heavy, maybe even a lowly Sphinx or Manticore, then you are just throwing away points.
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>>48828654
This.

I personally don't like taking Imperatus in most lists because he's really expensive and with certain casters a Banshee or Sphinx can do just as much work. He's a crutch I don't plan to rely on.
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>>48828303
In melee.

I don't run Helynna as a melee delivery system. More like Eiryss2, 2 Gorgona, and jacks with good guns. My goal is to pincushion enemy jacks before they get close to me then finish them.
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>>48827214
>Does Kreoss want a Revenger?
Not really -- he can spend those points better to ensure the assassination.
>Errant UA
They don't *need* it, but with Kreoss1 in particular, adding a little range to Errant crossbows doesn't hurt. It's certainly not the powerhouse it was in Mk2 and you can survive without it.
>Max choir for 3 jacks
You don't need it -- keep them as far back as possible and they'll be fine. Not getting a hymn onto every jack doesn't sting as much as it did in mk2
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>>48814045
You almost want to run min beasts with madrak because he just does so much with infantry

>>48824179
I love it, shit like this is why I play the game.
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>>48830246
Thats Kreoss2 actually.
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> http://conflictchamber.com/#b41bbY3a1w19191k2B2B2nbF2af0

Cryx Army - 75 / 75 points

(Asphyxious 3) Asphyxious the Hellbringer [+24]
- Vociferon0]
- Erebus [16]
- Deathjack [23]
- Deathripper [6]
- Deathripper [6]
- Cankerworm [9]
Warwitch Siren [4]
Warwitch Siren [4]
Necrotech [2]
Wrong Eye [17]
- Snapjaw0]
Blackbane's Ghost Raiders (min) [11]
Soul Trapper [1]

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Bad or Ok? What do you think, /tg/?
I wouldn't be able to try it until weekend, anyway.
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>>48808253
Well wasn't Gasphy also a Blackclad before he heard the call of the dragon father? He was probably already mentally fucked.
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