Edgy Shit your GM/Players have tried to pull.

>>48792869
>They're happy and I'm not, so I'm gonna wreck their shit and expect to be helped and not get killed

>>48792869

>Hellhole fantasy setting.
>We encounter a fallen angel (not necessarily evil), who is trying to build an army to invade Hell.
>His plan? Run around murdering the purest, goodest people he can find, because he has a ritual thingy that can flash-convert their souls into more fallen angels like himself.
>Paladin is aghast at this plan.
>Tries to talk the angel out of it.
>DM rules that he falls.

>>48793294
The fuck... how is a paladin who is most likely aligned with actual angels actually affected in attempting to help prevent a fallen angel cause their imminent deaths?

>>48793366
Because the paladin did something the bad gm didnt want

>>48793366
GMs do this all the time. They will actively try to find excuses to make a Paladin fall, moral dilemmas that have no correct answer because you'll be wrong no matter what you do

>>48793366
The Paladin code is not a rule book, it's a set of guidelines, doesn't mean you need to follow them, you simply must uphold the virtues of your God.

But when some fuckwit is trying to burn down a tavern for no reason, and you know he's insane, heads will come off.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, that's a Paladin.

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>>48792869
>Be me
>Paladin
>Going through custom DM story
>DM picks me to be the target of his rage due to me being the only one who understands Paladin's
>Fight goes on within a local barracks due to disagreement of patrol's
>Step in to find out what's the whole fight really about
>Both of them want to spend time with their family, patrols last 5 hours
>Tell them ill take the first man's patrol, and then the second man's patrol, doing a 10 hour shift so they can spend time with family
>They say im a liar and attack me
>Try my hardest to calm them down
>Have no choice but to subdue them
>No lethal attacks, knock them out
>GM says I killed them by knocking them out
>Ask him how?
>" You just did, you hit them in the head with steel gauntlets, congratulations you're a fallen paladin now"
>Explain to him the paladin code
>He rants and raves on how thats not true and does the famous "IM the GM what I say goes" line
>Walk out of the Store, rest of the party more or less does the same
>Norestforthewicked.mov

>>48793426
>>48793465

Yeesh. Glad I have a really good DM. He's one of the few that's actually good enough at Improv and understanding how a good story works that our campaign is a nice blend of player freedom and an overarching plot.

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>>48792869
So your GM is a misanthrope. What else is new?

>>48793366

Because, according to our DM

>He actively attempted to hinder a force of good in the universe.

I.E., he's as edgy as coldsteel the hedgehog, and has a sense of morality from warhammer 40k. The cruel evil horrific method IS the best, and anything shrinking from that is blindness, not goodness.

>>48793609
Get the other players together and tell your DM that if he doesn't shape up and work with them, they'll dump him.

>>48793658

Oh, this was years ago, he's since apologized for it. But it's the edgiest phenomeon I've personally seen, so I tried to give a more immediate impression.

>One time, way back

just doesn't have the same impact.

He's still pretty edgy, but he's calmed down a bit about it.

>junior necromancer serving the BBEG captured the duke's daughter
>cut off her wrist and then raped her with her own animated hand
>cut out her tongue and sowed fingers in its place
>cut out her eyes and stitched up her orifices for us finding her
We just stopped coming to game sessions desu

>>48793523
That sounds like complete bullshit. Who the fuck attacks someone who tries to help you?
Also, you have to be a complete asshole if you declare your attacks as non-lethal and still kill them

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>>48793718
That was so edgy I got internal bleeding now.

Fuck

>>48793718
Admittedly, that does sound like the kind of shit a serial killer would do if he had access to magic.

>>48793465
But there is never a moral dilemma with no correct answer. Say a paladin is forced into a "kill the nun or the baby situation" there is an option which is morally better. Neither of the acts are particularly moral but if there is literally no way round it there is still a moral choice, because one act is still measurably worse than the other (in this case, killing a baby is probably worse than an adult, but it depends on the culture and paladin's moral code).

our party saved an attacked traveler/quest giver from bandits and That Guy said he wanted to rape her while she was still tied up. before the DM could kick him i asked if i could roll for initiative. DM said i auto won since That Guy was in the middle of taking off his armor and also denied him the armor bonus. proceeded to wreck him and give half his stuff to the quest giver. That Guy rage quit and after our paladin was finished laughing he had his character give mine an honorary paladin badge

>>48793749
The GM had a problem with me being a Paladin in the first place, he wanted a full blown bezerker like game and I just didn't feel like

I declared non-lethal attacks no weapons to simply knock them out, the GM being a fucking idiot simply said "you killed them too bad you fallen" in a stupid attempt to make me make another character of a fighter class.

The bullshit was this entire game being a "Im the DM what I say goes" deal.

>>48793789
I have a question: did he state his expectation for the game before you all started? Something along the lines of
>I would like this game to be gritty, with dark themes and various shades of neutral and evil, mostly the party should be made up of people with their own agendas and well beign in mind.

>>48793523
As a DM, I've done the non-lethal deaths before, but only in specific circumstances.
Like a player tried to knock and enemy out with a warhammer, got a lucky crit, and did enough damage that the guy would have hit negative his max HP

>>48793840
No he simply said before the game "I am doing a martial game, low fantasy low magic, however some magic is allowed cleric's persay."

I said I disliked the Cleric class and simply wanted to do a Paladin, or even a Cavalier he argued a bit saying "Paladins are trash" but gave in and said "As long as you know how to play it, it's fine" and then as you can tell, situation.

>>48793840
You know he didn't. The Bad GM never communicates their desires, instead, they just do their own thing and railroad players into it, assuming that they'll enjoy it as much as he does when he jacks off at night.

>>48793850
Anyone doing a non-lethal with a weapon needs to be slapped on the wrist hard, in reality, non-lethal should be bare hands, weapon's leave too many iffy points, like saying "I gently hit the man in the head with my 2 handed war hammer" And as you can tell, hilarity.

However I had only steel gauntlets on, and was doing my best to parry, rather than out right attack.

>>48793789
I can't help but see this kind of thing as being the fault of "total players choice no 'ralroads'"
shitty new GMs get told that they have to let their players do anything and everything they want, and so they do that and then try to '''steer''' the game back to what they want with the unpracticed subtlety of a semi truck.
If the GM had just gone "I want to play a Berserk-themed game; no divine classes, no nonlethal" then he'd get what he wanted, but nope gotta stay open ended.

>>48793850
well then you're a bad DM who reads too many of /tg/'s "overdone crits ;^)" threads. A crit is executing your attack flawlessly, getting exactly what you want; kill an NPC that they're trying to nonlethal on a critfail, not a success. Fuck for all it's flaws Numenera did this explicitly and well, making crits have built-in variability for changing them to debilitation.

>>48793927

Ever hear of a sap?

There are weapons specifically designed to knock people out.

>>48793908
>Paladins are trash
This should immediately tell you what kind of person one is, when you tell them that you'd like to play as something and they reply in this way.

I guess you learned the hard way.

And yeah, in that case he was bad: he should've said what genre of play he was aiming for instead of being a fuckhead.

>>48793294
Saw this one in another thread, guess this must have happened recently. Sorry you had to go through that.

>>48792869
OP it sounds a little like Columbine.

>>48793718
I have a setting in which drugged up chidren are used as a mixture between cannon fodder and super soldiers, the main characters of the setting (used to be a book idea, now they are major plot NPCs) are incestuous, cannibalistic, sadistic psychopaths but the whole setting is grimdark and the characters are meant to be the worst people but the only viable choice for the leadership of the broken nation.
It was supposed to make the reader (and, ultimately players) question the reasons for morality and the necessary qualities of a leadership, or that was the idea, I was an angsty teen at the time.

The bard critted blowing a battle horn she carried, which ended up sounding like a train horn.

The party, about 15 feet away, did not hear it. Or the group of orcs that raped her. Or her yelling for help.

Or the orcs leaving.

>>48794509
wow they must have had a lot of ranks in stealth.

>>48794509
Huh? HUH?

That left me confused. Are you saying that the GM was so shit that on top of, you know, ignoring basic logic, they also rape player characters under circumstances where it doesn't make sense?

I hope that GM never got to GM again. And got slapped the shit out of 'emselves.

>>48794498

So the PCs were basically the Suicide Squad??

>>48794509

I'm just curious, how do you "Crit" blowing a battle horn? If your goal is just make a lot of noise, I wouldn't even require a roll.

>party is walking through a street
>we see a little girl with a puppy walking across a busy street
>cleric goes to pick the girl up and help her cross
>Chaotic neutral rogue goes up and stabs the puppy right in front of the girl
>we ask why he did that
>rogue player ''My character hates dogs''
>paladin smites evil
>rogue player gets mad
>wizard gives the girl amnesia and we replace her puppy

>>48794582
> GM was a sick bastard who wanted to traumatize a Character/Player, or he had an Orc-Rape-Elf Magical Realm Trigger. Probably both.

>>48794498
So Spartan 4's?

>>48794624
wow, your rogue was a dick.

>New game
>Let my players know I want a good to neutral party
>The characters get hired by a girl claiming to be a noble to go save her dAD
>They do it
>Find out the girl and her dad were actually paupers, can't afford to pay
>One of the players literally points a sword at the old man and threatens him
>I go along with it for now
>They literally can't afford to pay if they wanted to
>Player tells me he's going to attack the old man intending to kill him
>Other player talks him down
>Later I remind my players that I don't want their characters acting evil
>He tries to argue that murdering some dude because his daughter owes him money is not an evil act
>We get into a huge debate which lasts well beyond the sessions end and into a facebook group chat later that night

I know evil and good can be subjective but fucking hell man.

>>48793718
Kek, what a crazy bastard. The necromancer, not the GM, 'cuz >>48793770

>>48793749
I had a player once who knocked out a bathroom attendant so he could hide in the toilet, and keeped knocking him out every time he regained consciousness. I said after the third knock out he died.

>>48792869
Guy in OP's pic sounds more like he has a weird fetish as opposed to trying to be edgy.

>>48793772
You can always try your best to save both. Even if it results in them both dying, you don't become evil just for failing.

>>48792869
>virtualoptim

I hear a lot about this guy and see screenshots, but I've never actually seen his posts. Yet, the more I see, the more intrigued I am. Kind of like with Chris Chan.

Anyone have more of him?

>>48794898
Oh you sweet summer child.

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>>48794898
>>48794932
He was a little piece of shit who only showed up in threads to start shit. Someone who knew him IRL posted about him once (can't find the link) and said he had, like, every single 3.5 book ever made and his computer wallpaper was casually just, art of elves being killed. He's shit.

>>48794932
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/username/virtualoptim/

>>48794898
His weird fetish is edgy as fuck.

>>48794932
he's got his trip on in the cap, just search it in your archive of preference.
But really most of what he did was barnyfag levels of thread derailing if anyone seemed to be having fun in the "wrong" way, eg: 'narrativist' (read: not hack-n-slash) games

>>48794932
>but I've never actually seen his posts
he got permabanned a long time ago, and this event was met with much joy
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/username/virtualoptim/tripcode/%21%21ynhOPT0Bfir/

>>48794582

They blew the horn, DM ruled noone heard it.

They rolled a performance check and aced it. Noone heard it.

>>48794574
It was a shitty way to get one of us pregnant because none of us banged any hookers. Apparently Satan needed a baby as a vessel. I don't know, I stopped showing up after that session.

>>48794976
I know a guy who had literally two sets of every 3.5 book, I don't know why (He gave me a magic item compendium once for free though which was cool)

Then he was arrested at some point for child pornography.

>>48794976
>>48794987
>>48795002

Thank you anons, I will now proceed to ingest the cringe

Dear God this is such a bad idea

>>48795035
Have you... have you looked inside the book?

>>48794998
He also kept flipping his 'opinions' even in the very same thread.

>>48794976
>he had, like, every single 3.5 book ever made and his computer wallpaper was casually just, art of elves being killed.
Dwarf_Fortress_players.jpg

>>48795054
Yeah, hardly any sticky pages at all :^)

Also I just remembered he browses 4chan and will probably know who I am if he sees this.

>>48794898
Friendly Neighborhood Gurofag here! If you bring up your death'n'murder fetish unsolicited and outside of, I dunno, places dedicated for it, then you're probably being an edgy fuck, along with the standard social retardation of bringing up fetishes in such contexts.

>>48793850
Had that same situation happen in a game once. Ironically it happened again in a game I was DMing, the DM from the previous game being the one to deliver the killing blow. It worked out really well thematically, since the nearly-dead enemy had just knocked out one of his fellow party members.

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>Party learns that the Not!Pope is a teenage girl chosen because of oracles
>I'm like "lol okay so she's a figurehead, that's cool"
>Immediately one guy decides she has to die because fedora+lolwimminz
>Starts platting more or less openly to kill the Popette
>Actually tells someone this
>Literally the next day gets V& by a bunch of See knights in black armor
>He goes on fedora rant about how the oppressive church must be brought down and how "we" will fight to the last man
>The rest of us basically say we have nothing to do with it, he's just crazy
>Screams bloody murder as the knights drag him off to the inquisition
>Hear from an NPC later that they burned him at the stake for plotting to assassinate the pontiff

Seriously, if you're going to get yourself killed, try not to drag the rest of us down with you, dude.

>>48795090
Damn he's still alive and out of jail? Must have gotten off light.

>>48795199
I honestly expected Rape to be in that green text somewhere.

>>48795002
Unfortunately, he's back:
http://virtualoptim.tumblr.com/post/148118562485/and-in-case-there-is-every-any-doubt-yes-i-am

His Tumblr is basically him screen-capping all his bullshit and jacking off while he laughs at how funny he actually is.

>>48795199
>Literally the next day gets V& by a bunch of See knights in black armor
I don't know why this made me laugh so much, but it did.

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>>48795002
I love when this shit-flavored creamsicle thinks it's an acceptable tactic to use himself as a fucking source in an argument.

>>48795234
Not sure what happened since I stopped hanging out with him ages ago but I've seen him around recently so he either got away with it or only had a short sentence.

>>48794859
Is that player a gangster IRL? Because that soubds like some kind of organized crime morality.

>>48795265
what's his problem? what's wrong with Gygax? Gygax was a swell dude

>>48795252
Is there any actual truth to that? I'm under the impression that he was ip banned.

Seriously though, that is just pathetic.

>>48795265
I guess he was just too lazy to copy-paste or retype, also having a pic ususally increases amount of (you)s

>>48794859
I know the point must have been brought up at some point, but I think a lot of people would argue that knowingly deceiving people like that is evil.

>>48792869
Does using d&d 3.5 to try to play an modern era game where the setting is real life, more precisely our city and most of the actions will be made on our school counts?

PS; This was years ago, INB4, "you should have more than 18 years...."

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>>48795252
Ha, I pissed off Virt

>>48795320
I'm assuming none of you knew that d20 modern existed or that any other game system with a setting in the present day existed.

>>48795317
I'd think it's arguable given she was trying to save her family. But killing people because they won't pay you is still evil regardless.

>>48795301
Oh, he's definitely back, probably had his ISP give him a new IP. I've seen trolling the /5eg/ threads with Dungeon World shit, lauding it as "Real Roleplaying." Also his tumblr is basically an archive of his latest Shitposts, which are quite recent.

>>48795301
He's a pathetic excuse for a human being.

>>48794624
>chaotic neutral rogue
>paladin smites evil
Not to excuse the rogue, but you are That Guys as well.
Randomly killing a puppy isn't an Evil act, any more than going out into the woods and murdering that pack of wolves.

Killing mindless animals is a Neutral act.

>>48795300
virt was, and still is, a contrarian little fuck even by 4chan standards. He NEEDS to be argumentative or he can't be happy.

>>48795330
You're doing god's work comrade.

>>48795354
Does his shit get deleted fast? Have you gone on /qa/ or messaged the mods that he is ban evading?

>>48795372
It could be considered evil if there was no cause for it and you knew it would cause emotional distress to someone.

>>48795375
>You're doing god's work comrade.
It's not that hard, I assume, but intentionally pissing people off feels fun. Unintentionally pissing them off is much worse, though...

>>48794859
>Declare I want a neutral/good party
>Send the players through a quest, declare they won't get paid at the end because the quest giver lied
>Player gets mad that he doesn't get paid for his services, I shoot down every other option (like intimidating) so that he only has revenge left
>I TOLD YOU BE GOOD LEAVE THEM ALONE

Nah, you're being That GM mate.
I can't think of a single case of a character not being mad that he got lied on and didn't get paid for his work, unless he's some kind of lawful good - stupid "I don't care about the money" type.
Also
>Tell players I want them to be good
>Throw ethical """dilemmas""" at them with only one available choice (since everything else would be "evil")
>IM NOT RAILROADING GUISE I JUST WANT YOU TO BE GOOD

>>48795384
Yeah, and killing that pack of wolves would trigger some hippie druid too.
Still Neutral.
ESPECIALLY if his character had an actual reason to hate dogs.
I guess pest control is Chaotic Evil because PETA gets triggered.

>>48795405
I didn't stop him from doing it. But there's a difference between being mad at someone and wanting to murder their father, and I think you know that.

Also what's wrong with putting player's in difficult positions? It's not like I was tying their characters up by their testacles and saying "there is literally no escape haha get rekt make a new character" They just weren't getting paid for something.

Bit of an overreaction for good characters don't you think?

>>48795434
PETA kills dogs all the time and they're CE.

>>48795338
>I'm assuming none of you knew that d20 modern existed or that any other game system with a setting in the present day existed.
Actually the DM knew vampire the masquerade, d&d 3.0, Werewolf: The Apocalypse and (if I remember right) daemon system.
And we actually discovered, brought and played werewolf and vampire before playing d&d

>>48795381
Someone got him banned a while back for that one troll post about joining and ditching games at his LGS, but he probably just used a VPN or some other shit, because there's more posts after that

>>48795234
Child molesters rarely get murdered in prison now.

They go to insane lengths to not let them be singled out by the prison general population and there are so many of them now.

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>>48795253
>A bunch of knights in black with sunglasses ride up in a black carriage, grab someone and drag him in, flashing their livery to the witnesses

>>48795480
>Child molester and someone who got caught with CP are the same thing
Moralfags are funny

>>48795507
You think Bubba and White Power Dave are going to differentiate?

>>48795507
Found the child molester.

>>48795434
Do you also consider stealing a neutral act? What about vandalism? Because, even if you're not willing to give a dog in itself any value, the guy destroyed someone else's property with no cause and no provocation.

>>48794624

Props to the rest of the party, making up for the rogue player's dickishness

>>48795025
Performance: Rape ?

>>48795528
One is awful and the other is a crime. Why aren't videos of people getting executed or assaulted illegal?

>>48795372
So you're saying it's perfectly morally acceptable for a guy walking down the street to sperg out and stab a dog to death for being within his field of vision?

>>48795551
>Why aren't videos of people getting executed ... illegal?

They are. I don't know about videos of people getting assaulted, but snuff films are totally illegal. Stop trying to defend your fetish with vague moral relativism.

>>48795554
It's just as morally acceptable as a guy who is walking down the street to sperg out and stomp a roach to death for being within his field of vision.
Different people have different views on what constitutes a pest, and no one argues the extermination of pests is Evil.
Try not thinking with emotions sometimes.
>>48795571
http://liveleak.com/

I think Gary Gygax might actually have been a chaos god.

>>48795450
You're trying to take it out of context to stay in the right. I wouldn't be inclined to kill a man that I saved and didn't have money to pay me. I would, however, be inclined to if I was lied upon, and after I saved him he went "lol thx for saving me no money here tho kthxbye". As I said, you purposefully ignored a ton of other choices (I'll pay you later/give you something of value/give you this thing of miniscule value but important to me) just to leave no options to your players.
Also, you aren't putting your players in difficult positions, you tie their hands and use bullshit to excuse your railroading.
>You must be good
>Here's a good/evil dilemma
>The choice is yours!
At least drop the "neutral to good" deal and don't bullshit your players, cause skewering someone that lied to you is definitely in the neutral territory.

>>48795594
And what if I go all edgelord and consider humans to be pests?

>>48795628
Depends on the setting

>>48795594
What about a guy walking down the street setting your car on fire because it pisses him off, or throwing a rock through your window because he dislikes windows?

>>48795537
>ow_the_edge.jpng

>>48795649
Well memed.

>>48795199
Out of curiosity what was their religion? Which god did they follow?

>>48795372
When it would cause enormus distress to a little girl? Not to mention, it's a freaking puppy, those things can love, man.

>>48795537
>Dark Eldar Bard
>Plays music in his rape/torture victim screams
>So skilled can actually make coherent melodies

>>48795372
Destroying someone's harmless property (even beneficial, sice dogs are good pest removers) for no reason is evil.

>>48795405
Why does /tg/ hate GMs so much?
>Intimidate
To give you what? They are fucking broke. Besides it isn't like killing them would benefit the characters. What would they loot the rags they are wearing that nobody would buy?

Also
>Only one available choice
There are plenty of options
>Have them become informants, street rats to eaves drop on important people in the street
>Have them join your party to carry shit for you (not like they have anything holding them back)
>Try to find a way to improve their situation so you can get payment in the long run (maybe the guy was a baker, if you can get him a job maybe he could get you free food)

>>48795622
>skewering someone that lied to you is definitely in the neutral territory.
I think you meant to say "skewering the father of the person who lied to you" because that's what was happening. But now I can tell you're either trolling or literally one of the dumbest people on earth so whatever, try not to murder the parents of everyone who's ever lied to you or owes you money. I mean not that it's morally objectionable or anything, it's just that you'll get blood everywhere and somebody has to clean that shit.

>>48795713
Grognards to this day subscribe to the Player vs. DM belief.

Guys,

less boring discussion, more cringy edgelord stories please

>>48794498
oh CHILDREN, I read that as chicken and was thoroughly bemused by the idea of grim darkness that includes drugged up chickens wrecking everyones shit.

>>48795739
>you'll get blood everywhere and somebody has to clean that shit.

This is also good logic for committing suicide out in the woods rather than your room.

>>48795783
Now THAT sounds like an adventure hook!

>>48793718
>DM states it's a super low magic world and magic is regarded as superstition and hated'
>Party finds a Witch
>After a fight she surrenders and begins to be our prisoner
>She's acting very shady, mumbling and making motions with her hands
>Proceed to break her hands and her jaw
>Whole party flips out, accuses me of being an edge lord
>DM states that I did the right thing, she was summoning a demon the whole time

>>48795870
I would have just tied her up and gagged her.

>>48795870
I'd have done the same.

>>48795688
I was playing SoS in the core setting, the religion was Genosism. It's like sun-catholicism but with little girls instead of popes, and instead of Jesus you have a sun-god who lives on a mountain. Their bible was written by people suffering heat stroke from having gone to talk to god, so it's basically like Francis E. Dec writings that theologians have to take seriously.

>>48795911
when you consider magic a superstition, you never how know how minute finger movements can be dangerous. breaking is safer and not quite edgy, compared. one fantasy i once read had a very superstitious mage-hating world. when they captured protagonist's mentor, they cut out his tongue, broke his fingers and stabbed his eyes out, in fear he might use either of them to weave magic.

>>48795531
actions in themselves are not evil, motivation is what determines alignment.
killing something because you hate all things of it's kind is an inherently evil motivation

Theres always that one guy on /tg/ that argues for the most retarded shit.
>killing little girls puppy is not evil
>trying to kill a poor man you saved because he was poor (despite the fact he didn't offer the quest to get himself saved, the duke did) is not evil

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>>48795870
>>Proceed to break her hands and her jaw

You have done well.

>>48795963
>>48795911
>>48795956
It ended up that it didn't even matter later on, someone convinced the DM to let him use a homebrew class because "It wasn't really magic, just supernatural abilities"

It was the fucking Avatar.

>Encounter starts
>First round Avatar creates and earth dome over the bad guys
>We can't do anything
>Second round Avatar pulls all the air out of the dome, killing them all
>Avatar gets all the exp because he was the only one to do damage

I just walked out after that.

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>>48795870

>>48796011
It is probably virt.

>>48796031

What level were you guys?

Because I'm pretty sure the Avatar would be the equivalent of a level 10 character at least.

>>48796031
That sounds dumb as hell. Aside from everything else wrong with that player's bullshit, it makes no sense for the people in a setting like that to make a distinction between magic and 'supernatural abilities'. Why'd the GM allow that?

>>48794624
>>Chaotic neutral rogue goes up and stabs the puppy right in front of the girl
>>we ask why he did that
>>rogue player ''My character hates dogs''

Was the player twelve by any chance?

>>48796031
>Giving XP based on contribution
>Not balancing it between everyone with bonuses for exceptional actions and roleplaying
I've always hated giving it based on contribution because it easily allows one to snowball until the rest of the party becomes borderline irrelevant.

>>48796074
maybe people in-universe are like "oh, it ain't magic, it's just like in that anime?"

>>48796099
That's even more retarded desu
>oh dude it's just like in my not-anime
>haha it can't be magicks xD

>>48796061
At that point we had just hit level 2, the Avatar player was level 1.

>>48795372
Killing something because you hate it is kind of leaning towards evil desu, especially because it was property of someone else and the rogue knew it.

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>dat one guy dead-set on romancing Lalali-Puy in Dark Sun

>>48796147
Fucking hell, did the guy have one hit point or something? What he did was too overpowered even for a shitty third party.

>>48796011
But it's not you little shit.
Some indians view cows as Sacred, does that make the West, who sees no problem with their factory farm and slaughtering of cows for their big macs, Objectively Evil? From their perspective, it's arguably worse than just randomly murdering a cow out of cold blood.
Fuck off.

>>48796147

Nigga, what the fuck?

Fucking Aang didn't even know water bending until like the 5th episode, let alone all four elements. Did nobody even watch the show it was based on?

>>48796129
well, it's a thing in some of WoD's Mage settings. some Mage has members who are actors. they do sliiiiightly supernatural stunts in movies, so when order's members use a little bit of magic in real life, they can get away with it, because people seen it in movies and think it's just cool stunts.

>>48796147
What fucking powerlevel was your setting operating at that a level 1 can create domes of rock and what amounts to a wall of force after moving air around?

>>48796165
isn't hatred inherently evil anyway?

>>48796209
I'm pretty sure the big difference between good and evil is basically being self-centered vs. being the opposite, that and love vs. hate, so yeah.

>>48796165
its needlessly cruel on at least two levels, and it is destruction of someone else's private property, a unique object, to boot, an extremely chaotic action
it is also done for sole reason of racial hatred towards the canine race, an evil motivation

in short, the rogue was chaotic evil

>>48796192
reminds of some webcomic i've seen where guy made himself a Batman instead of regular char on level one and was steamrolling things.

it had basically stuff like
AC - I can't be hit, I'm Batman

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>>48794624
>killing a person for killing a fucking animal

>>48796179
Don't ask is it wrong to kill a cow, because there are many times that it is fine

Ask instead "why am I killing this particular cow?"
if the answer is "because I hate cows" then you are evil
if the answer is "because I'm hungry" then you are chaotic
if the ansert is "because I'm starving and there is no food" then you are sane

>>48796188

WoD's Mage setting also tells you that if anyone who is a mundane witnesses you slinging spells, you're basically going to trigger a paradox.

A mage using his powers to perform supernatural stunts for their movies makes perfect sense because it allows them to cast spells without causing some sort of magical feedback and shit. Even then, the setting doesn't try to offer up a distinction between magical power and supernatural power, it's all fucking magic.

>>48796246
>not killing rogues the first time they try to pull something shady like that.
I killed 5 rogues PCs so far. If you are already a criminal in waiting you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

>>48796246
>he's arguing for puppy murder
what the fuck

>>48796209
No.

You can hate something and still treat it with respect and you can hate something for entirely justified reasons.

>>48796246
If someone shot my dog, I'd twist his head off like a bottlecap.

>>48796246
>"Why'd you kill me dog, Jack?"

>>48796240
Strictly speaking wouldn't the Paladin also be evil, since you expect that the reason he suddenly attacked his teammate was more or less disgust and hatred, not a desire to save?
Also what if the rogue actually has a concrete reason to hate dogs in general, is it still Chaotic Evil?

>>48796242
I played a homebrew once where some guy made a wraith archmage, which is pretty normal I guess, but there was this one feat in the setting that made you immune to magic in exchange for taking five times physical damage (GM said he did it to basically make the squishy wizard REALLY squishy but also archmage haha), but Wraiths don't take ANY physical damage so...

>>48796304
That's for revenge though, and while I'm not sure it's evil, it's definitely not Good.

>>48796192
>>48796183
>>48796178
It was a shitty homebrew class from some place or other. No idea where, I didn't look closely at it.

It was supposed to be a low powerlevel, but it just blew up after this.

From what I heard from someone who stayed behind, it kept escalating.

>Could use the Avatar form once per day
>Able to use all four elements at the same time = four turns per round
>Learns to bloodbend
>Learns to metal bend and instant kill anyone wearing metal armor

Apparently it just became Avatar and crew

>>48796276
>if the answer is "because I'm hungry" then you are chaotic
How is this chaotic
Chaotic would be "because the cow looks stupid" or "because I felt like it", "because I'm hungry" is a logical reason to slaughter what amounts to meat (assuming the cow isn't someone else property as far as your character knew)

>>48796276
>Don't ask is it wrong to kill a cow, because there are many times that it is fine
No fuck you, depending on your perspective that answer could just as easily be "It is never acceptable to kill a cow. It is better to die than to bring harm to cow"
>Ask instead "why am I killing this particular cow?"
And what if that players were none of the above? What if his answer was "Cows are violent ( I know, this is just a hypothetical ), smell, carry disease, and push out much more pleasant animals out of the environment with their existence. I was attacked by a cow when I was younger and now trust none of them to live"
Is this stance Evil?

>>48796321
its quite evil because a puppy cannot be responsible for whatever dogs in general did to that particular guy
hatred for an individual is not inherently evil, hatred for an entire class of things is inherently evil
the paladin does not hate all rogues, he was disgusted and felt hatred for one particular rogue, for his actions (not for simply being a rogue)

>>48796246

There's no reason you can give for harming an animal that is not trying to harm you.

There is, however, plenty of motive to kill someone who decided to not only kill someone's dog, but also did so in front of a little girl, in broad daylight, for no other reason other than "I hate dogs."

People who are that mentally unhinged are tragedies waiting to happen. Better to kill him off now then to wait for him to cause irreparable damage to you or your reputation later.

>>48793976
No, it's a really old story, and not even the copypasta for it. Just lazy greentexting. Then again, I guess greentexting was more effort than just pasting it from somewhere.

>>48793976
No, it's very old pasta.

>>48796358
because I'm hungry is not a valid reason to kill and steal if there is other food available, see the next line after that one

>>48796366
That stance is elf.

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>>48795434
>killing an animal that hasn't even looked at you wrong is the same as killing an animal in self defense

>>48796372
>its quite evil because a puppy cannot be responsible for whatever dogs in general did to that particular guy
>hatred for an individual is not inherently evil, hatred for an entire class of things is inherently evil
WHELP.
Baby goblins ( goburin sureiya edition), what do?

>>48796366
Yes, that stance is pretty evil, it encompasses many evil viewpoints of prejudice, bias and unfounded hatred to an individual based on the actions of a collective

>>48796358
The amount of work you have to put in to turn "living cow" into paletable food is rediculous compared to just going to find an inn or similar that serves food. Seems entirely mad to slaughter a cow, hack off a chunk and then wander off to cook said chunk. leaving the entire carcass still twitching on the cobbles.

>>48796411
You gotta smite all the evil boy.

>>48796411
murdering babies is always evil, regardless of what they might hypothetically grow up to do

>>48796391
>because I'm hungry is not a valid reason to kill and steal if there is other food available
Holy fucking shit this is now getting ridiculous.
Please tell me you're a vegan, at least then you won't be a hypocrite.
>>48796406
Whelp looks like we can't kill any number of pests that you yourself are no doubt guilty of doing yourself otherwise you are capital E Evil. Prepare to be smited, evildoer.

>>48796321
>Also what if the rogue actually has a concrete reason to hate dogs in general, is it still Chaotic Evil?

The only concrete reason to hate dogs in general is if they're all secretly plotting to kill everybody.

A lot of people don't like dogs. Going straight to stabbing shit is what makes it evil as opposed to, say, crossing the road to get away from it.

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>>48795405
>a little girl lied in order to save her dad, because she can't do it on her own and doesn't have the money
>get mad and try to kill her dad because I got tricked
>I'm totally not evil guys!!
>spotted that guy

>>48796444
I'm just saying that if you walk down the road, get a bit peckish and then decide to kill a nearby horse and eat it, you are chaotic
how could you possibly disagree with this?

>>48796366
>Is this stance Evil?
DnD Good-Evil / Lawful-Chaotic doesn't always hold up to this sort of debate man, but according to that system it essentially depends on your ultimate intention - did you mean to help others, was it an act from an individual perspective (this cow attacked me), or was it made for selfish reasons (I just don't like cows).

>>48796372
Paladins for the most part hate the undead as a class though, mindless they may be.

>>48796391
Stealing would make it Evil, not Chaotic, and killing an animal raised for meat (i.e. not a milk cow) is perfectly valid if you're hungry. Hell if you live on a personal farm you might do just that as part of your '''''''job'''''''.

>>48796417
Why was a cow randomly on the streets? I did say "assuming it wasn't someone else's property".

>>48796473
Well yeah no that makes sense, but I thought it was like, just a cow in the wild and you decided you were going to have it for dinner
I mean if it's in the city it's Evil by default because you're stealing.

>>48796436
Preemptive smiting is not always Evil, but it is less Good than waiting and ensuring that your smiting is justified.

It is simply a question of whether they are inherently guilty of being monsters or not, some might simply have it in their nature. With most standard, sapient creatures this is clearly not the case, but if a Paladin were to find one of those stereotyped Daemon-blooded filled-with-the-power-of-evil characters as a child there'd be little reason to have him fall for listening to the heat-seeking autosmite voices.

>>48796436
Even if those babies will grow up into a monster whose chief mode of reproduction is through rape of non-goblin?
>>48796473
>how could you possibly disagree with this?
By realize that people come from all walks of life and my mode of morality is not objective.
Are hunter-gatherers inherently Chaotic for taking advantage of a situation for an easy kill despite not being that hungry?

>>48796505
>and killing an animal raised for meat (i.e. not a milk cow) is perfectly valid if you're hungry.
What the fuck kind of logic is this?
>Raping a girl raised to be a sex slave is perfectly valid if you're horny

>>48796455
It technically isn't, it's Neutral.

>>48796532
>fucking your (because there's no such thing as an unowned sex slave) sex slave isn't valid if you're horny
You might argue that having one at all is Evil (this is still debatable actually depending on the native culture and shit), but that's not chaotic at all. It's literally what she exists for.

>>48796534

Unwarranted acts of violence based off of prejudice is decidedly evil anon.

Especially if your first instinct was to walk up a puppy and stab it to death in front of its owner, rather than doing something else like avoiding the dog all together.

>>48796534
No.

>>48796508
pre-emptive smiting is inherently unjust as it presumes guilt as the default
it depends if the paladin (or by extension his or her deity) considers existence itself to be a crime

Itt: butthurt puppy killers

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>>48796444
You bring shame upon your trips, retard. Dogs are very good pest hunters, as they are employed as shepherds, rat hunters, watchdogs, rescue dogs, guide for the blind et cetera.

You can't possibly compare the life of a dog to that of a roach: if you killed the shepherd dog of someone who has to watch a herd of sheep, you better believe that you'll get at least your hand chopped off in islamic countries, since you did not steal someone else's propriety: you destroyed it!

>>48796517
No, we're talking within the framework of a rogue who stabbed the first puppy he saw in the head because he "hates dogs", hunter-gatherers and multicultural societies are irrelevant in this context

>>48796576
>>48796594
I replied to the one talking about killing someone for lying to you and essentially cheating you of what you had earned. It isn't evil, because it's not prejudice or unjustified anymore.

>>48795554
I must be a horrible person, because the mental image of that made me burst out laughing. Just...

>Some dude, perfectly happy, having an utterly normal and content peasant day
>Suddenly, he sees a dog
>Vision goes like the T-800's in T2, literally locks onto the dog
>Pulls huge fuckoff knives out of nowhere
>Screaming like the Tazmanian devil, he launches himself at the hapless canine and proceeds to obliterate the poor thing
>Immediately becomes perfectly normal and walks away whistling, not a drop of blood on him

>>48796246
>killing a criminal for destruction of property
Nothing wrong with that.

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>>48796534
No, it would be neutral -leaning toward evil- if you stabbed the little girl because She was the one who tricked you in the first place.

>>48796576
Unwarranted according to whom?
According to what authority must you justify you acts to? What grants them this authority, why should you obey them?
Every animal commits acts of violence to survive. All these acts are prejudiced, usually favoring their own perspective/self over the one being violated. Does that mean all life is decidedly evil?

>>48795571
>Doesn't know about Faces of Death or 1000 Ways to Die, literally legal snuff films, just because they weren't technically murder

Vague moral relativism indeed, anon. Indeed.

>>48796629
It is evil because killing someone over money is evil, especially in that case. Neither the kid nor the father did zn evil act.

>>48796654
Is this what some anarchists believe? You sound like an anarchist.

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>>48796637

>>48796635
Well Chaotic Evil is inherently kind of slapstick if they're the type to have a specific and seemingly arbitrary trigger.

>>48796646
Yeah you're right, I misread the original comment.

>>48796685
The child didn't do an evil act because the primary motivation was to save her father, but I'm pretty sure that someone attacking a person who deceived them and had them risk their life >for free isn't considered evil.

>>48796687
He's probably the faggot who argued for hours that he had the right to settle in my forest because I'm not growing crops in it.

>>48796629

It's evil because you're enacting violence on someone based on greed. Be pissed off that you got conned out of some cash but don't go around murdering people for it.

Put them to work until they make enough money to pay off your debt. At least then, they're earning a living.

>>48793908
>persay
It's Latin, and per se
That's also not how you fucking use it you goddamn retard
Fucking uneducated hipster namefag cunts

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>>48796654
>>48796444
Never reproduce.

>>48796654

No wonder you defend dog-killer, you're just as fucked up as he is.

>>48796654
Stop trying to apply real-world morality or subjective morality to the dnd good-neutral-evil axis. There's a fixed of definition good and evil in the system.

>>48794859
That doesn't even seem that bad or ooc. If you risk your life to save someone it's not unreasonable to be pissed off if after the fact they're like "lol we can't actually do anything in return :D". Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that i agree with your player character but this doesn't seem that unreasonable for a 'neutral' character to act in this way, especially if wasn't a dick head about it and was willing to be talked down

>>48796709
>but I'm pretty sure that someone attacking a person who deceived them and had them risk their life >for free isn't considered evil.
But you are wrong, because ultimately you are the sinful greedy one.

>>48796615
>Dogs are very good pest hunter
Wow look at all those fleas that carry disease, very good pest hunting there.
>as they are employed as shepherds
They aren't employed, they are pets, they are Slaves. If it's not the dog, someone is being Objectively Evil here.
> rat hunters
Hyprocrite
>you better believe that you'll get at least your hand chopped off in islamic countries, since you did not steal someone else's propriety: you destroyed it!
I was not aware Islam was the arbiter of morality.
>You can't possibly compare the life of a dog to that of a roach: if
I just did

>>48796624
So you agree with me that you are Objectively Evil for killing all manners of insects for no reason other than they bother you?

>>48796709

Nope, it's still evil.

You're trying to murder two unarmed civilians based off of a civil matter that could easily be solved by putting them to work.

Can YOU spot the "that guy"s in this topic, /tg/? I can! It's the people who think puppy killing isn't bad.

I wonder if the rogue from that story is actually in this thread.

>>48795405
Good thing to do:
>be glad that the girl and the father are safe and leave with their gratitude alone
Neutral thing to do:
>take the girl as slave: the price you will fetch for her at the market will be enough for the task you performed
Evil thing to do:
>stab either of them

>>48796738
I'd like to burn your house down so you can be your local fireman's cocksleeve for eternity.

>>48796737
Apparently it's not so fixed, consider all the people arguing with Gygax over how dnd morality works.

>>48796755
Sure I am very slightly evil for swatting a fly. i didnt need to swat that fly, I did so for my own personal comfort

I will now award myself 0.000001 evil points. Better hope they don't add up!

>peaceful orcs minding their own business in the dungeon
>a bunch of dudes show up and start taking stuff
>hey cut that out
>they murder a bunch of us
>we are forced to defend ourselves
>somehow we are the bad guys here

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>>48796755
>Wow look at all those fleas
>ITS THE DOG'S FAULT THAT THEY HAVE FLEAS GUIZ

>They aren't employed, they are pets, they are Slaves
Point. They are still propriety, as slaves

>rat hunters
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQksEF2uso

>I was not aware Islam was the arbiter of morality.
>I am too retarded, I do not know what examples are!

>>48796764
Are the chinese wrong for slaughtering dogs who have become such a problem they are considered pests over there?
Oh god, you probably do think cultures who slaughter animals for reasons beyond your western mode of thinking are Objectively Evil. I sure hope I'm wrong anon.

>>48796654
This isn't even Evil, this is just straight up Blue and Orange morality. I mean you're not wrong, every act is prejudice towards something, but that's not really how it works.

>>48796687
Nah he's being an Ubermensch wannabe.

>>48796755
The problem isn't that he killed a dog. The problem is that he killed a dog that was someone else's property, for the express reason of hating dogs as a class.
Killing pests is because they actively harm you, for the most part. Had the dog attacked him or threatened him somehow killing it would be debatably not-evil, but as it stands it was entirely unprovoked.

>>48796780
It's fixed but no one fucking understands it because of how murky it gets sometimes and how illogical it becomes at points, especially if shit happens within a society that has a fucked up moral axis.

>>48796790
Aren't Orcs Evil by definition like Undead

Sure is edgy in this thread.

Someone probably summoned the hidden virt to the thread.

>>48792869
>given a shadowrun to destroy shit at a military depo.
>gm gets mad at me when I load an americar up with anfo and ram it in.
this pissed me off.

>>48796806
You completely missed my point. I'm saying you are a hypocrite, because you are seemingly perfectly fine with rat hunting, but dog hunting is too far?

>>48796807
Chinese butcher their own dogs, or stray/savage dogs. They don't go around killing dogs in the hands of a girl.

>>48792869
GM:
Im always the GM so I try to keep the edges away.
>Players fighting a cult of pain
>The cultists use pain to obtain pleasure
>their bringing slaves in to be slowly tortured.
>Players request I go into details.
>I do so, describing the blood and gore which sticks to their feet as they walk, the walls, dripping with dark fluids. The screams coming from every direction, begging, or laughing for more.
>Players tell me I'm going too much into detail.

Players:
>The emo paladin named Sasuke.

>The orc hater. Who hated orcs because they raped his dad's in front of him. And it made him gay. And he never wanted to be. His name was Steve.

>The investigator who is world renowned martial artist. Master of guns, served as a general during ww1 etc. Etc. Who got mad when I made the cultists recognize him...you made your character known very well by all...why would he be anonymous?

>Viggo, the ranger/hexblade who could suck souls into his blade...hated goblin and orcs so he only sucked their souls.

And my personal favorite edge...
>Jane, the cancer mage.
>She hates men, because her dad raped her as a child, and her mom. Her mom killed herself. She was passed around by all the men for years.
>She collected every STD because of it, plus some animal diseases because of what they made her do.
>Her mission in life was to spread disease to every man. So they could feel her pain.
>Alignment: lawful good.

>>48796807
hahaha are you retarded. Are you some sort of retard, anon-kun.

Guys, I think this guy has brain problems.

>>48796839
Rats who demonstrate an active negative will be hunted
EG
I will hunt rats on my farm because they eat my grains

killing a random puppy because "I hate dogs"
is not the same and you are being disingenuous to imply that they are

>>48796827
>Aren't Orcs Evil by definition like Undead
only so the players don't feel bad murdering them

Yo dogs this is a thread for complaining about angst, not a discussion of morals.

>>48796848
They do, there's some horrible picture of a little girl crying over her dog that some assholes stole and cooked, but that's because Chinks don't have souls. The Japanese did nothing wrong. Nanking II Erectlic boogaroo soon.

>>48796839
Dog hunting isn't too far, when they are pest. In this case the dog was someone else's pet so your argument is totally shit.

>>48796839
Rats are criminal scum that destroy propriety. They are the real pest.

I have no issue against shooting a dog that kills my chicken, so you can't call me a hypocrite.

I didn't say that all dogs should not be killed: I said that those who are useful and did nothing to you should be left alone. Rats are a whole other story. Unless they are in a lab or someone's pet, I stomp them to death.

But I'm going to spell it out for you, because you are too retarded to understand: killing a stray dog that looks like it has fleas/rabies is not a problem in my book. Killing one that is someone's property, on the other hand, is.

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>>48796807
>oh anon is destroying my arguments
>quick push the on switch for the Strawman spawner
>phew, now I can ignore that whole 'for no reason' thing
>I'm winning guys!

>>48796755

>Wow look at all those fleas that carry disease, very good pest hunting there.

Every mammal has the potential to carry fleas, even humans.

>They aren't employed, they are pets, they are Slaves.

That would imply that the dog gets nothing good out of the deal and could just as easily survive without the care of their owners.

Dogs evolved alongside humanity mate, we give them food and shelter while they provide companionship and are great for hunting prey.

Some people treat their dogs like members of their families, and that's generally because they are.

>Hyprocrite

A creature that provides companionship, protection, and support vs. a creature that spreads disease, devours crops, and have been known to kill/devour small animals and humans if the swarm is big enough.

I dunno, going to have to go with dog on "shit I want to live" Alex.

>I was not aware Islam was the arbiter of morality.
>I am too stupid to recognize an example.

>I just did...poorly

FTFY

>>48796876
Well yeah but it's still by definition so there's technically nothing you can do about it.

>>48796839
If there are rats eating your corn then those particular rats have committed an offense against you. If you go on an exterminating spree to wipe out ALL rats whether or not they've demonstrated they're harmful, that's actually Evil. Same with flies, ticks, fleas, etc.

>>48796827
neither orcs nor undead are evil by definition
mindless undead are incapable of being evil, but they are counted as evil because evil energy is used to give them animation, they are just automatons
intelligent undead have the capacity for evil and are almost always evil but they are evil by choice when they are, not inherently evil (in d&d there are good liches, for example)

orcs are not inherently evil, they are usually evil by choice. A newborn orc is not evil

>>48796848
So the problem of killing the dog is because it was in the hands of a girl?
Are we really going for a "a little girl was made sad" definition of morality?
I think rats are cute, so can we claim the anyone who killed a rat are Evil now?
>>48796869
Why? At the end of the day the living creature is dead, it has ceased to be alive.
>>48796902
"For no reason" depends ENTIRELY on the perspective.
That rogue had a reason, you simply don't believe it's legitimate. I'm saying that his reasoning is just as legitimate as anyone else for killing. You have no argument, moron.

>>48792869
I play with a guy whose character are all legitimately edgelords.
>Black Mage with literal shadow and darkness control
>Black Mage with teleportation and 'pssst nothing personal' backstabs
>not-Sith force user with doublesided lightsaber and lightning
>not-Anderson from Hellsing but with more Paladin magic
>not-Dante from Devil May Cry but with more elemental effects

Despite this he's still probably the most fun person to play with in my group because he recognizes how edgy his characters are and he constantly sets them up to fail. He's like the Reaper in the Overwatch of our party, but imagine if all his taunts fell flat and he wasn't menacing in the slightest. Sure, he's got power and skills but his characters are such 'try-hards' (in-universe) that it's almost endearing.

It's funny because my current character is the polar opposite, perky and happy and smiling all the time, even when she's brutally beating down anything that so much as sneezes at the party. Sorta like if Kaylee from Firefly started tearing people in half with her bare hands, but didn't act any different otherwise.

I'm probably the bigger edgelord of the two of us, now that I think about it.

>>48796918
Killing stray or savage animals isn't evil. It's explicitly neutral.

>>48796925
>neither orcs nor undead are evil by definition
unfortunately, in the perverse world standard to most RPGs, this is wrong

in the monster manual it clearly says evil

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>>48796909
>That would imply that the dog gets nothing good out of the deal and could just as easily survive without the care of their owners.
/tg/ justifies slavery, acts like they are moral for it

>>48796807

The Chinese are wrong for basically being sub-humans who will run someone over and run them over again just so they don't end up getting sued and becoming homeless.

The fact that they eat dogs just shows how inhumane they are in the grand scheme of things, though considering the kind of shithole that China is as a whole, they probably do it out of necessity, rather than choice.

>>48796764
>m-m-muh dogos
Get fucked hippie, from now on my primary goal in every camaping is genociding dogs.

>>48796934
>So the problem of killing the dog is because it was in the hands of a girl?
>Are we really going for a "a little girl was made sad" definition of morality?
No, destroying someone's property (and even worse killing someone's pet) is evil.

>>48796934
>Why? At the end of the day the living creature is dead, it has ceased to be alive.

because there is a difference between action and motivation, and the distinction is important

there are plenty of times when killing is justified, killing itself is not an evil act in itself. The motive behind the kill is what determines if it is evil or just

>>48793749
>Who the fuck attacks someone who's trying to help you?
Niggers and sand niggers

>inb4 /pol/ get out
America was trying to help them become an actual society instead of "aloha snackbar" land, and then they just attacked us.

>>48796956
What slavery?

>>48796934
You're an idiot. Like, I truly believe that from your posts you suffer from some sort of mental degradation. You need re-education at best, you need help for day to day activities at worst.

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>>48793609

wait until he gets a load of me in his mouth

If I EVER play a CN character it's like this, like how he was written in the books.

>>48796950
i wasn't aware that babies were in the monster manual :^)
i was under the impression that the orcs in the book were the ones having lived a lifetime of barbarism and savagery

>>48796936
He sounds hilarious!

>>48796925
Oh is that how it was? I thought they were just evil by default
Blame my first GM for misleading me.
Well in that case the invaders who randomly loot shit and kill orcs ARE evil, aren't they? They're acting out of greed, hatred, or sheer bloodthirst.

>>48796946
Going on an extermination spree because you hate rats as a class is evil, that's how it works.

>>48796963
What the hell is with the China bullying, you do realize this isn't global here and that assholes exist everywhere? I'll admit we're bigger assholes than most these days but there's no need to call us subhuman when we only became this way after Mao failed to either finish his job or just not start it at all.
Eating dogs is ancient shit here, the ones that are eaten are raised for food like how other nations raise rabbits or goats. People who slaughter strays are shit though.

>>48796956

Who is being enslaved here anon?

>>48796936
That's good edgy desu

>>48797004
>we're
>us

Holy shit.

I'm losing my shit here. Thanks anon. Thank you. This is fucking hilarious,

>>48796936
>not-Anderson from Hellsing but with more Paladin magic
I like this guy already.

>>48795372
I could MAYBE understand it if the dog was full-grown, rabid, and not on a leash, but it was a PUPPY. Taking a life just because you were bored is most certainly an Evil act.

>>48797038
Are you implying chinks can't get on 4chan? It's not blocked you know.

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>>48795713
This is why I enjoy plying Paladins.
>"Then, if you cannot pay, I request you to stable my horse, and shelter myself and my party at a discount."
>then explain how you pay him to pick up too much food
>you buy his daughter and him new clothes so you dont have to look at their dirty, stained hand me downs.
>Have him show you to the nearest church where you haggle him a job cooking and cleaning for a wealthy merchant family.
>hours are long, but he arrives early and stays late
>the daughter is always entertained by your partys rping when you stay there
>Their life starts to improve and you notice they fix the leaks in their roof as you pass through after an adventure one time
>The man offers a bottle of wine to you with dinner one night that you didnt pay for.
>during a lull of the next couple days the party rps how they interact with the daughter
>The barbarian challenges her to test of fortitude in eating a spicy pepper she grew and canned
>wizard and her go shopping for magical items and she gets lessons on how to carry herself when the wizard notices she turns away from cute boys
>The bard hangs around a in the tree above her garden singing songs about her chores as the daughter and the druid complete them. which she offers a flower for as a tip
>the cleric tells her fables as he heals a cut she got while making dinner
>you teach her how to dance as the bard plays wicked lute jams
>rather drunkingly, the barb pushs you aside and demands she dance him.
>he can barely keep verticle and laugher errupts as he spins around and thrips over a chair that the wizard cantrips into his feet
>dad bursts in and welcomes you as he imediately gives her a hug and starts to help with dinner
>his cooking had improved and with it the spare room you sleep in
>one time as you leave, he hands you a small pouch with 3 dozen gold
>you give it back saying you prefer the company and lodging.
>the man and his daughter wish you safe travels and ask you come back soon.

>>48797038
Oh wait, I'm not the guy he replied to >>48796807, just so you know.

>>48796976
>>48797028
Pets are effectively slaves.
If you were to treat a human like the average person treats a dog, no one would disagree that it would be slavery.
>>48796981
Not an argument.
>>48797046
Killing baby animals isn't any more morally repugnant that murdering a grown what.
What the fuck kind of morality are you people on?

>>48797004
its a grey area, I'll admit, even the nazis had families

>>48797050
No I'm implying it's hilarious they got so bootyblasted over somebody saying killing dogs is bad because they're Chinese,

>>48797070
I wasn't aware that kids were slaves.

>>48797070
>Not an argument.
Very good anon! It wasn't meant to be, I'm glad you're able to figure that out! See, you CAN say something that is brain-melting retarded if you just try! I'm very proud of you, you stupid piece of shit!

>>48797086
I'm confused...? I'm annoyed that we're being called subhuman when apparently it's more accepted outside of /pol/ than calling people niggers now.
>be in /vg/
>people talk about niggers
>someone defends them and/or says >>>/pol/
>be in /vg/
>people call chinks subhuman
>nobody defends them or says to go to >>>/pol/
;-;

>>48797004

>What the hell is with the China bullying, you do realize this isn't global here and that assholes exist everywhere?

In China, there are no "good sumaritan" laws to protect citizens who help someone on the street.

Because of this, you can get run over, have a stroke, get stabbed, etc. and watch hundreds of people walk by and ignore your cries for help simply because if you ever decide to help anyone out, the law will make YOU personally responsible for their care, even if you're not the one who caused their injury in the first place.

This isn't a case of people being assholes, this is a case of a country sowing the idea that helping someone out will fuck you over in the end since, according to the law, the person you help can sue you for everything that you own, and more, and land your ass on the streets while putting you in the hole for (the equivalent of) tens of thousands of dollars.

If you go on google and look up "chinese people ignoring victim," you will find hundreds of thousands of hits of men, women, and children dying in the streets while everyone else around them ignores their cries for help and goes on about their business.

This, along with everything else, is why I consider Chinese from China to be sub-humans as a whole.

We did an edge Lord campaign, biggest edge won.

>We had, uchiha, the rogue using knives and 1 level into wizard to get magic
>Author, the barbarian halfling who wanted to be a schoolteacher, but got mad easily and was currently on the run for murdering 20 kids who laughed at him for being short.

>Clarissa. The ranger. She hated women because they couldn't understand her love for her pet wolf blackfang. She was a crackshot, but would only shoot if she was allowed to attack with her wolf at the same time
>Pale Dan, the paladin. Lawful good. Face of the party, with 18 int and 8 cha. He wanted to stop all evil.
>Dan was a pedophile...after the first session we had to stop, and we kicked him from our group

You learn things when you do weird campaigns...you learn bad things.

>>48797070
The reason I made the distinction is because there is almost no way a puppy could harm anyone, much less an adventurer. It's the difference between a guard dog and an excitable kitten.

>>48797004

>Going on an extermination spree because you hate rats as a class is evil, that's how it works.

Going on an extermination spree to protect your crops, prevent disease, and stop rats from gnawing on your ass and causing infections is a damn good reason for wanting to make sure that every rat in view is exterminated.

Which is why it'd be neutral, because you're killing a creature whose presence will only cause problems in the long run.

>>48797087
In my genuine opinion, children are treated as property. Not making any moral judgements on that though, it's probably necessary.
>>48797103
Why are you so upset. Did someone kill your dog? I'll have you know that despite what I'm posting, I actually have a dog who I love very much and wouldn't ever kill a dog in cold blood. Feel better now?

>>48797106
Wait you're not the guy going "but KILLING DOGS IS GOOD"? Oh shit my bad then anon-kun. If it helps I think the Chinese are okay i guess.

>>48797070
>Killing baby animals isn't any more morally repugnant that murdering a grown what.
It isn't, but the point is that a grown rabid dog poses a potential threat and killing it can be justified with "self defense lmao". Either way the rogue said more or less 'because I wanted to', which implies evil.

>>48797120
>In China, there are no "good sumaritan" laws to protect citizens who help someone on the street.
Insofar as they cannot be held responsible for their life? Yeah there are. I don't know what protection you're talking about.

>if you ever decide to help anyone out, the law will make YOU personally responsible for their care
This isn't true though. They have to pay for their own care, you are not obligated to care for them.

>If you go on google and look up "chinese people ignoring victim," you will find hundreds of thousands of hits of men, women, and children dying in the streets while everyone else around them ignores their cries for help and goes on about their business.
There's a few psychology experiments I remember that basically say 'the more people there are around the less chance anyone will do anything but watch. Globally.

>>48797145
Yeah but that's for the purpose of protecting your interests. If it was because you just hated them, that's evil.

>>48797153
No I'm actually arguing against him.

>>48797153
No one in this tread has argued killing dogs is Good. I've been arguing it is strictly Neutral.

>>48797152
I'm going to murder your dog. According to you, that's okay, right?

>>48797145
Only for killing them on your farm. killing every rat you see wherever you are is being prejudiced, and thusly, killing based on prejudice is evil

>>48797176
The act of killing is not good, neutral, evil, chaotic, neutral, or lawful. The whole point is that the guy killed the dog (without active provocation of that specific dog) expressly because he hates dogs.

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>>48797152
>In my genuine opinion, children are treated as property.
Good for you. I'm going to look forward to your campaign to free the kids from their evil, evil parents then.

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>>48797059
Now that's how you Paladin.

>>48797106
It probably doesn't help that whilst africa is still the chaotic starving hellhole that it's always been, thereby bringing some sympathy for the people stuck there, china has moved to organised, efficient evil on a huge scale.

I personally don't hate the chinese. I don't hate north koreans or russians either. The people on the street and in the houses are just normal people like americans and europeans. But the countries themselves are the fucking worst, and that doesn't help how people see them.

>>48797180
Note: I am not going to murder your dog, anon. That would be rude and I like dogs. I am simply trying to make a point.

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>>48797152

>>48797070

>If you were to treat a human like the average person treats a dog, no one would disagree that it would be slavery.

Dude, I've seen dogs that get treated better than most people I've seen.

This isn't hyperbole either, a lot of dogs get treated extremely well simply because they're adorable and they don't shit on the carpet.

>>48797204
Well I didn't say I liked our government but that's like saying you hate Americans because Obama is an idiot.

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>>48797059

>>48797145
>Which is why it'd be neutral, because you're killing a creature whose presence will only cause problems in the long run.
>>48797170
>Yeah but that's for the purpose of protecting your interests. If it was because you just hated them, that's evil.
What the fuck? Protecting your own interests makes something Evil into something Neutral? Holy hell you just endorsed every Hitler in existence.
>>48797180
Morality is a spook. Doesn't mean I wouldn't protect my dog with lethal force against you though. That little girl failed to defend her dog, and the uninvolved paladin had no right to go smiting

>>48797191
Just gonna jump in here.

That sounds like an awesome campaign

>The evil orphanage
>The heroic kids
>The secret cult the kids uncover
>CoC: kid edition

>>48796858
>The orc hater. Who hated orcs because they raped his dad in front of him. And it made him gay. And he never wanted to be.
Suddenly I love the idea of some homophobe making a gay character like that and playing it like it's lycanthropy or some horrible magical condition.
>Damn I accidentally lockd eyes with that burly innkeeper over there and there's no pretty woman in sight for me to look at while smashing my balls; time to go over and do it up his meaty arse
>Sorry I'm gay, '____ person' spells don't work on me
>Alright, time to unleash my masterstrike; I summon up the dark powers who gayified me! Demons, come tear these enemies before me into pieces!
>Ugh not another maraudering orc barbarian FINE I'll go out and spread 'em since gay sex is rape sex.

>>48797140
>You learn things when you do weird campaigns...you learn bad things.
Storytime?

>>48797214
kek, I have a friend who feeds his dog mincemeat that he cooks himself, while he and I have to order a pizza because there is no food in the house

>>48797214
I mean, if you own a dog as a pet, it likely already gets free food, lodging, and medical care.

>>48797222
Plenty of people do, actually. Similarly how many hate North Korea because of their leader.

>>48797230
>Doesn't mean I wouldn't protect my dog with lethal force against you though.

So, you realize what we have to do now, right?

Fight me, anon. To the death. Whoever wins gets to keep your dog to love and raise.

>>48797230
>Spook
/his/ leave and never come back.

>>48797250
You do not want to eat mincemeat. Trist me, the pizza isbetter.

>>48794581
the PCs weren't the children, they were just people trying to survive in a world gone to hell, should have made that clearer.

>>48794707
yeah, but with less planning, armour, weaponry, and hope of survival.
They were street children/refugees, the drug causes accelerated healing and metabolism alongside increased strength and psychotic rage that would have them tearing into anything that made a loud noise or harmed them, it was fairly short lived but they were tough and your best bet was to get high up or under water (they would could drown in a couple of minutes).

>>48795783
that sounds quiet fun actually.

sorry about the editing, it's a bad habit.

>>48796975
>bait

>>48795783
I would play that.

>>48797230
>What the fuck? Protecting your own interests makes something Evil into something Neutral
I don't think you understand. Actions can never be any alignment, what matters is context and more importantly motivation. Why are you doing these actions?
If the dog seemed threatening, that's not Evil, since it's self-protection. Had the dog done something to him, that's also not evil. He killed it literally because he didn't like dogs as a group without judging this particular one separately. Prejudice = Evil.

>>48797265
They hate North Korea, not North Koreans. I don't mind you hating China because the government kind of is fucked up (although I'm not sure they could've turned out much better given the massive series of shitstorms we went through following the Opium War), but I don't want to be called subhuman because of things the government does (and half the examples I hear people give are just outright wrong).

>>48797289
We could have had spaghetti bolognaise

>>48796992
>>48797031
>>48797042
He's the only person I've ever met who can do 'faux-edgy'. It's pretty sweet, though it does eventually get frustrating. I think my favourite moment of him in recent memory is the time he got a black katana that could slice through anything, and then proceeded to accidentally stab himself in the leg with it. In addition to looking like an idiot he's missing the shadow on his lower leg, which isn't so much menacing as uncomfortable to look at.

Another time he tried to challenge a dragon to a duel. It nearly incinerated him and he spent the rest of the battle patting out the flames, wheezing for breath, and running from a constant stream of dragon-fire. But hey, it was a great distraction for the rest of the party, we couldn't have beaten it without him.

>>48797231
>KND: Fantasy Edition
Hell yes I would

>>48797313
Yeah, you dodged a bullet getting pizza.

>>48793718

>Rape
>Hand

Wut?

>>48797170

>Insofar as they cannot be held responsible for their life? Yeah there are. I don't know what protection you're talking about.

The protection that allows someone to get involved by offering first aid, calling EMS, etc. without being considered responsible for their care and being forced to pay for their medical bills for the rest of your life.

>This isn't true though. They have to pay for their own care, you are not obligated to care for them.

Because you decided to help them and they have no other means of covering their medical bills, they can just sue you for everything you own because you were involved and you have money that they can use on their own.

Considering you can be sued in America because someone got injured on your property, imagine how easily it'd be for someone to argue "well, he called the ambulance and why would he do that if he didn't feel responsible?"

Believe me, there are cases where people were able to win based off of flimsier premises.

>There's a few psychology experiments I remember that basically say 'the more people there are around the less chance anyone will do anything but watch. Globally.

Even then, if you're in an environment that offers even less incentive to help people, you cannot expect people to give any consideration to anyone but themselves.

>>48793850
>Do so well you fail
That is a shitty thing to do, do you also have people overshoot their jumps if they roll too well or have too many ranks in acrobatics?

>>48797222
I'm not saying it's right, just that I think it's what people do. It can be hard to separate people from things they're closely (from your perspective) associated with, and many people aren't willing to do it.

>>48796956
My dog is the happiest doggo ever.

You sound mentally handicapped.

>>48797314
Nice desu.
I've had one guy do an unironic edgy before, but it was okay because he was actually the weakest of our group (not to mention the literally invincible, by level 13, wraith who took neither magical nor physical damage and had a servant skeletor carrying around a parasol) so all his posturing always looked stupid at the end.
>fighting an archlich
>he monologues for seven minutes reading off some sheet he prepared
>meanwhile the lich was already dead 5 minutes in

>>48797350
>Because you decided to help them and they have no other means of covering their medical bills, they can just sue you for everything you own because you were involved and you have money that they can use on their own.
Well yes, you can do that, but that's because the government is retarded and greedy fucks literally will fall over on the sidewalk and accuse a random car of hitting them. At this point, however, it's more of an urban legend than actually happening, at least in the bigger cities, though the legacy of fear of being sued lives on.
This is not enough in my opinion to call a group subhuman though, since the reason those laws are even needed is because there will be people in EVERY society that try to get money for the shittiest reasons and from anyone they can, even if they owe you their life.

>>48797422
>Slaves can't be happy
Your view of the world is childish.

>>48797348
Depending on the region I believe the definition of rape is forced and unwilling penetration. It's one of the reasons women don't usually get convicted.

Since the hand is under his control I think it would count.

>>48797456
Personally I'm pretty sure a /d/ tentacle cumslut is the happiest girl in her world, barring other cumsluts.

>>48797456
Generally in America when you say 'Slave' it puts an image in your head, so you can understand.

Now if you mean a Noble Roman House Slave, well ,that's a different story.

Besides, in that situation, the Slave still gets Free Room and Board at the expense of Labor., If the Slave is well-treated and enjoys the work, is Slavery, in that instance, even morally wrong at that point.

Forgive the Strawman.

>>48794624
>>48795372

>Stealing little girls lollipop is considered a prime example of petty evil
>Killing her beloved dog is not

Guy sounds more like a sociopat if he consideres that normal.
With his reasoning you could kick in doors and loot a whole town; because you also loot dungeons and kick doors, its basically the same.

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>>48796246

>>48797520
>With his reasoning you could kick in doors and loot a whole town; because you also loot dungeons and kick doors, its basically the same.
See >>48796790

>>48797426

>This is not enough in my opinion to call a group subhuman though

Oh, I have plenty of reasons to consider the Chinese sub-humans though, the lack of good Samaritan laws is simply the main one.

China is also responsible for introducing strains of diseases that are resistant to antibiotics because they decided to use "last resort" antibiotics as their primary means of curing infections and diseases.

They force woman and children to work in horrible sweat shops where they earn less than a migrant worker in America while also handling caustic materials and inhaling toxic fumes.

China is so polluted that you can see a fucking cloud of smog hanging over it from FUCKING SPACE.

And they also eat dogs and are notorious for shitloads of scams that they cannot ever be punished for because the laws in China are fucking retarded.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate all Chinese people, I just think that the ones who were raised in China since birth are the ones who are sub-human garbage that deserves to be wiped out for the good of humanity.

And that's less out of hatred and more out of necessity, like when you have to put down a dog who turned rabid or something.

>>48797243
Nothing as bad as Pala Dan the pedophile.
>Player plays a female bard.
>Gathering information from innkeeper
>I roll to seduce him so I can get information.
>Realize I had been calling the innkeeper her, and she.
>Begs me to go into details.
>Rest of the table leans back.
>Try to play it off and fade to black.

His eyes were desperate. And he was sweating hard.

>Playing on Skype, random people.
>3 hours in, party meets a talking panther.
>I roll to seduce said the druid.
>You can't seduce a panther.
>"Why not it's legal where I live"
>Rest of the players bust up laughing.
>We thought he was joking.
>We hear hin say, let me prove it and he calls for his dog.
>End Skype to fast I nearly break my finger.
>Get a call from one of them
>The guy dropped his pants on Skype.
Vowed to never play online again.

Not bad, but kind of funny.
>Epic level campaign, 4 players.
>Split into 2 groups for a stealth mission involving joining both sides of the countries war.
>Both groups join their respective sides. Start rising in ranks, because their basically gods.
>Start getting bored so I spice it up.
>One side has red armor
>Other side wears blue.
>The war escalates, the groups becomes the leaders.
>Blue team member takes a sip of his Pepsi.
>Locks eyes with me. He realizes what I did.
>Red team looks at their cokes.
>Looks at me. In horror.
>I made them fight, from level 1, to end the campaign years later...because half of them drink coke and the other half drink Pepsi.
>War escalates, friends using their vast fortunes to fortify their armies.
>Gets to the point where dragons are being brought in.
>Day of the final battle. Fog rolls in from the north, a gigantic army of undead monstrosities charge the armies.
>Royal Crown cola has joined the fray.
>Put aside differences to fight together.
>The party is reunited to kill the lich Lord roycrown.
>Hours later. The armies of pepzica and cokura sign a peace treaty.
>Royal Crown army destroyed forever.

I'm bad at storytime

>>48796790
Did the Orcs try to say anything at all to stop you guys or did they just ran at you axed raised?

Too many Gm's think the players will surely see that their definition of X is not like the others and forget to hint to this change.

>>48797588
>Edgy and Evil campaign
>Get triggered one of the characters is pedo and kick him
Why tho?

>>48797604
imagine if you were in your home when some armored dudes kicked in the door weapons drawn and started taking your stuff?

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>>48796411
Thanks for reminding me to check if a new chapter came out.

>>48797562
You're an imbecile then, since literally all of those can be blamed to the government or a few assholes, besides the sweatshop and antibiotic ones (and the first is partially government).
Sweatshops are a natural result of the cheap as fuck labor. I'd actually blame the westerners for this, partially, because they're the ones who fund those factories. We don't use many products made in sweatshops, see.
Antibiotics are because we used to be uneducated fucks and nobody understood shit about how antibiotics works.

>eating dogs
Explain to me precisely why this is worse than eating cows, rabbits, or chickens besides you not being used to it.

Seriously, attack the government but you don't need to attack us. I can easily bring up times when the rest of the world did the same or worse shit.
>but it was in the past
Irrelevant, subhumans remain subhuman and humans do not suddenly become subhuman.

>>48797652
Actually, whether you are subhuman or not is dependamt mostly on how much of a scumbag you are.
Hence the need to remove china.