Could a regular space marine kill doomguy?

>>48792750

The Doomguy kills demons by the barrelful. With an antique double-barrelled shotgun.

Astartes have a super special snowflake chapter with the best equipment the Imperium has to offer that deals with demons exclusively.

The Doomguy wins simply because he's able to do what he does through sheer RAGE and RIP & TEAR. He literally gives no fucks and would be a Champion of Khorne except for the part where if he actually met the blood god he would kick him in the balls and shoot a rocket into his brain.

Tl;dr - Doomguy is best space marine.

>>48792750

Yes, but so can technically an imp.

>>48792863

I think Doomguy would be a Primarch desu

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>>48792964
Primarch? Bitch, please. Doomguy was the standard all Primarchs had to match in the God-Emperor's eye.

No.

Considering is ability to actually kill demons in the physical realm, he must have some extraordinary ability to infuse his weapons with the warp.

>>48793036
>the standard all Primarchs had to match in the God-Emperor's eye.
Come on, Draigo is not THAT good. Plus, we have Artemis now, Draigo is old news. Stop being so infatuated by him.

>>48792750
I'd assume Doomguy's sheer speed gives him a cover save of at least 3+ at all times, and he must have at least six wounds too. So... no.

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>>48793059
>Implying Draigo would be as ever as badass as Doomguy

Id say Doomguy is a perpetual

The game did make REPERCUSSIONS OF EVIL cannon

>>48793162
Say what now?

Champion of Malal, right there.

>>48792951
If he's controlled by a loser pussy
But he is not one and canonically he went through the whole story without dying

>>48793187

Repercussions of evil actually happened

>Doomguy was fighting the duke of hell
>The ceiling falls
>Demons find doomguy and think hes a demon
>so they lock him up so he doesnt get them

>>48793331
Not the other anon but I still have no idea what the fuck you're on about, Jesus man

>>48793409
literally google "repercussions of evil"

>>48793308
Still means it's possible. He's still very much mortal.

>>48793447
So why does he respawn every time?
If you take in alternative realities you might as well do it properly.

>>48792750
>Could
sure
doomguy could also kill a regular space marine

Neither would, because they have better things to do.

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>>48793059
Doomguy is like what Draigo should've been.

>>48793478
Because it's a video game with video game mechanics? That's like arguing that most video game characters have the ability to stop time because most games have a pause button.

>>48793642
Which is why I didn't bring in the what if scenario but you did

>>48793702
It's not a what if scenario, it's a fact. Doom guy can get mortal wounds inflicted upon him from an Imp.

You're basically arguing that because you haven't been fatally shot that you can't be killed with bullets.

>>48792750
You're talking about a guy who has canonically ripped hell a new asshole so bad they collectively shit themselves and had to seal him away to get back to demon invading other dimensions. What the hell is a space marine going to do to him other than just be a momentary speed bump?

>>48794011
There's a meme on /v/ that anything from 40k is infinitely more powerful than anything from any other setting. Hence, when this thread was created on /v/ (it's deleted now), lots of people would argue that Doomguy weapons wouldn't be able to even scratch a regular Space Marine armour.

>>48794067
I'd say that Pre Bethesda DOOM Doomguy fits that description.

>>48794095
Pre-Bethesda Doomguy still had rapid-fire plasmagun and a BFG.

I feel that the imperium would go "DURR HERESY" on Doomguy because of some of his shenanigans and he'd have to wreck their shit just so they'd leave him alone.

Isn't The Doom slayer a xeno? or is Argent D'Nur an alternate dimension earth?

>>48792750
why would they want to fight each other in the first place and not team up?

>>48794461
Could be a Chaos space marine

>>48792750
I still can't get over how good the new suit looks

>>48794664
it looks overdesigned and disproportioned imo

>>48792750
If the player doesn't know what they're doing.

>>48793331
They locked him up because they couldn't kill him you dumbass, not because they thought he was a demon.

>>48794067
I think there are people here on /tg/ who legitimately believe that.

>>48793059
>Plus, we have Artemis now, Draigo is old news.

Artemis doesn't hold a candle to Draigo or Calgar.

In the story of the new game Doomguy is basically some kind of meta-physical force of nature motherfucker literally destined to kick ass for all eternity.

It's like some One Punch Man level "He wins because that's the point" shit.

>>48794725
>They locked him up because they couldn't kill him
>"I will shoot at him" said the cyberdemon and he fired the rocket missiles. John plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
>they were trapped and not able to kill
>they
>John & the demons were trapped and not able to kill

>>48794270
Never actually explained I don't think. We know that Xeno had a pretty important part in their society, what with the Wraiths and all, but the general populace appears to be human.

>>48794725
I like the fact he became the 'I am legend' of Hell.

After hearing those audio logs it made sense why all the demons looked fucking terrified of him.

>>48793331
I think you probably should have gone with the fact that, apparently, Doomguy is technically part demon and a fuckload of supernatural because
>He's bathed in the blood of more demons than Guts
>Has fucking DEVOURED THEIR SOULS and gained power from it
>He's noted as "beyond redemption" from the power of ANGRY and yet was blessed by Seraphim (which would, in a roundabout way, make him a fallen angel)

So, yes, he is the demons in many ways.

>>48794728
it's the same reason why One Punch Man fans know Saitama can beat anything.

They're both big jokes.

Some people on /tg/ just take the joke of Warhammer 40k seriously because they've invested the better part of thirty years and hundreds of millions of dollars into the joke that still hasn't gotten to the punchline yet.

Guys....what if there an army of Doom guys somewhere, preparing to invade hell?

>>48796269
isn't that the legion of the damned

>>48794140
He'd basically be a living saint for them

>>48792964
Doomguy is one of the missing Primarchs.

>>48792750
Oh wonderful, more people sperging over Doomguy.

End of the day, yes, easily. As far as we know Doomguy's only impressive thing is his armament. We have no idea how strong his armor is, what we see in-game for his strength isn't much at all compared to a space marine, and as far as we know Doomguy is only as fast as a normal human. A Space Marine should definitely shred him in melee unless Doomguy gets really, really lucky.

Also until Doomguy is running around at hypersonic speeds and his bare skin can tank lascannons, he isn't Primarch level. A Primarch wouldn't need guns.

>>48796591

>I hate things that are popular, am I cool yet?

It didn't work in school anon, it's not going to work now.

>>48796765
I like Doom. I just don't like the 4chan fans who purely meme and nothing else.

>>48796591
>Doomguy is running around at hypersonic speeds and his bare skin can tank lascannon
>he isn't Primarch level
good thing OP said nothing about primarchs right

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>>48797252
I was discussing with idiot posters later in thread. I generally can't stand "Wow this character is so awesome, he'd be a Primarch ignoring that this opinion is based entirely off memetic obsession besides comparing the two".

>>48792750
Yes.

Though I think the question you were trying to ask, is "Would a space marine kill Doomguy in a fight."
And that answer is maybe.

>>48797300
>memetic obsession
U wut m8? I thought we were all having good fun but apparently someone tickled your bumhole.

Space Marine Vs Gameplay Doomguy.
Yeah, he could. The plasma weapon and Gauss cannon would make it a bit difficult, but there is a strong chance.

Space Marine vs Lore Doomguy.
Highly unlikely considering this Doomguy killed a demon the size of a Titan.

>>48797300
Calm down, this is why nobody likes you

If there was one instance of doomguy speaking in the whole game, what would it have been?

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>>48793206

>>48798751
A simple "no" at the start of the game before smashing Haydens screen.

>>48794729
>A-Artemis c-can't be better than muh favorite marines!
bitch please! He's got the deathwatch chapter tactics - Artemis wins!

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>>48796591
>hurr durr ma fantasy dad can beat up your fantasy dad!
>nuh-uh! ma fantasy dad is soo much baller than your stoopid fantasy dad!
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you 4chan!

>Playing Doom 2016
>Wake up
>Kill shit
>Get dressed
>Scientist starts trying to talk to me about shit
>Ignore him
>Kill more shit
>Scientist tries talking some more
>Ignore him again, this time breaking the comms

I was wondering, 'Why the fuck is he being so edgy?' then I realized he was the same Doomguy from Doom 1, 2, and 64. Eggheads opened up another portal to hell. Fuck you, nerds, he has to deal with your garbage again.

>>48799042
well there's also this site:

https://forums.spacebattles.com/forums/vs-debates.4/

>>48796591

>Doomguy literally the fastest human in video games
>Demons punching him in the face and shooting him with dark magical energies is mildly annoying
>His 'armaments' consists of mostly mundane weaponry (excluding power ups and the BFG) and he still beats super natural threats into paste

Doomguy is THE space marine against all other are judged. And the others are always found wanting for a god damned reason.

>>48793059
>>48794729
>>48798981

Artemis is a girl's name.

So who is this punk?

I'm out of the loop.

He got some sort of "A boy named Sue" dealie goin' on?

>some fucking five ton demon gets defeated by Doomguy with a shotgun

This does not mean Doomguy is amazing. It means the demon is a pussy.

>>48799134
>Doomguy literally the fastest human in video games

Not even close to true.

>Demons punching him in the face and shooting him with dark magical energies is mildly annoying

Game mechanics, those demons have canonically killed him before.

>His 'armaments' consists of mostly mundane weaponry (excluding power ups and the BFG) and he still beats super natural threats into paste

That just means Doom demons are weak enough to be taken down with mundane weaponry. They're nothing compared to Warp daemons and most of Doomguy's weapon legitimately couldn't scratch a Space Marine's power armor.

If we're talking meme Doomguy? Sure he can beat anything. The actual one shown in the games, though? Not even close.

>>48799184
Nah, Doomguy is just so mean even dukes of hell fold like bitches.

>>48799146

Artemis can be used as a boys name but eh

>>48799275

Nope, means the demon's a pussy and a regular space marine would be able to fight the same demons he does like it's nothing.

It's not even that special, I'm sure lots of fictional heroes could fight the demons if just a shotgun does the job against those queefs.

>>48799146
A Deathwatch Marine who screwed up a ritual to bring Ynnead to existence.

>>48799265
It's circular logic. It goes like that.
>Doomguy is weak.
>But he defeated millions of demons.
>Those demons are weak.
>Why?
>Because Doomguy is weak and he defeated them.

>>48799530

It's pretty easy to turn that logic on it's head, you have no basis for how strong millions of demons are except that they were easily defeated by rudimentary weapons and a BFG.

>>48799570
>rudimentary weapons
Fully automatic plasma gun that doesn't Get Hot, man-portable railgun, portable .50 caliber auto-cannon... yeah.

I haven't played any version of Doom in forever, but weren't imps just turned humans at one point, with the stronger baddies being the actual demons?

>>48792750

How big are the Space Marines guts?

>>48799632

That's super rudimentary by future standards. Colonizing Mars is possible but a miniature autocannon isn't, okay.

>>48799686
That was never stated or implied in any game in the franchise.

>>48799570
Enough to kill any other human besides hayden the terminator and doomguy.

>>48799714
Must just be my bad memory then. Carry on gents.

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>>48793151
>This cover was passed over in favor of the boring guy with a gun poster shown in >>48792750

Fucking marketers.

>>48799712
>That's super rudimentary by future standards.
The standard SM weapon is pretty much a Gyrojet that doesn't suck quite as much as the real deal (because it actually has an initial charge to push the round out with some force, unlike the real Gyrojet, which is harmless point-blank and really damn inaccurate).

>>48799808
To add: 40k has some crazy weapons (mostly the ones that deal with Warp, I mean fucking Shokk Attack Gun is hilarious), but SMs get a Gyrojet on steroids, a plasma gun, a flamer, a really big Gyrojet on steroids, a rocket launcher, a chainsaw sword...

>>48799773
There are the possesed soldiers and the ravenants in DOOM 2016.

>>48799851
Yeah I knew that much has always been a thing in some form. Just thought the imps were the fully mutated version for some reason.

>>48799851
Revenants are (un)dead DEMONS though, except it's never specified what kind of demon they were and they don't really look like Hellknights or Barons.

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>>48799779
Welcome to modern video games...

>>48799779

I only got this game like a month ago, after looking at the marketing and being turned off by a slow multiplayer-focused shooter that had 'WHOA SWEET GORY KILLS BRO' as the major feature. Only got it because I had some Steam cash and it was half-off in a sale.

The worst marketing ever but a hugely pleasant surprise for me!

>>48799892
>Including spec ops in that

It was a meta choice. The game spent a lot of time poking at the idea of the modern war shooter, so they made it look like one to bring people in.

It was also a good game.

>>48799889
Only in classic DOOM. In NuDOOM, the ravenants are poor saps experimented with Argent energy to create bio weapons.

>>48800149
Is that why they grew so HUEG? Huh. I guess it make sense, their skeletons were always very humanoid.

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>>48800281

>>48800440
Huh. I don't mind it.

>>48799530
It's not circular logic, it's regular logic. The demons are weak because his weapons are weak, that's it. Doomguy can't take anything that's immune to regular bullets because he wouldn't be able to hurt it.

>>48800529
>Doomguy can't take anything that's immune to regular bullets
Except, again, plasma weapons, railguns...

>>48800529
I mean, we aren't talking about Doomguy vs. Khorne or Emprah or something like that. Space Marines are not immune to bullets of sufficiently large caliber and velocity.

>>48800529
>The tyranids are weak because the space marine weapons are weak!

See, I can do it too.

>>48800654
What about Tuska Daemon-killa?

>>48800961
They'd team up.

>>48792750
Are we talking classic Doomguy or the Doomslayer?

The answer is yes if Doomguy runs out of ammo and happens to be distracted because Duke Nuken is showing him porno.

>>48802109
Duke never shows his porno. Never. Unless you're Lara Croft.

>>48802152
As manlyguysdoingmanlythings shows us, Duke is a total nerd. Plus he was trading some of his old stuff for a gun Doomguy wasn't really using anymore.

And Lara does her Tomb Raider stuff to avoid guys like Duke.

>>48802232
>And Lara does her Tomb Raider stuff to avoid guys like Duke.
Well, I guess at least with beasts and monsters you can shoot them in the face without any legal repercussions. What happens in Atlantis stays in Atlantis, right?

>>48802274
And if the tomb if full of death traps, is easy to get rid of any idiots that don't take no for answer and follow you everywhere.

>>48796591
Doomguy's in-game speed is clocked at 49.714 mph. I'm pretty sure he can outrun most Space Marines.

>>48799265
>most of Doomguy's weapon legitimately couldn't scratch a Space Marine's power armor
hardly. this is the same power armour that regularly gets defeated by the equivalent of one of our rifles. Doom guys bigger guns aren't going too have overly much trouble.

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>>48799106

>>48802556
It's weapons grade autism, pretty much. Well, it would be if you could fuel weapons by autism, I suppose.

>>48802033
John AKA Doomguy from DOOM 1 & 2 is the same one in DOOM 2016.

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>>48802574
Well, anon - at least there's two of us who are appreciating this autism shit-fest right now....well met, sir! Keep your mind and heart open, and stay fierce!

>>48800792
Tyranids are in fact individually comparatively weak outside the larger bio forms, the problem is there are so goddamn many of the bastards

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>>48792750
No

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>>48798751
>>48798877
Additionally: who would 'voice' him?

My vote is Ron Perlman doing his Hellboy voice.

>>48799530
It's not circular logic anon. Doom's demons can be killed with a 1970's sawn-off shotgun. The big guys do need big guns, but it's the guns that are special. Not doomguy. Give anybody those guns and they would be able to accomplish the same exact things.

>>48802479
Space Marines run at around 50-60mph and are capable of dodging hypersonic projectiles anon. 40k completely outclasses known feats for Doomguy.

Just for example, although a psyker, the most powerful space marine ever cut a battle-barge in half with a sword and nearly blew up a planet. 40k gets fucking stupid when it comes to power, at least for its own consistency. Obviously there's a lot of shit more powerful than 40k, Superman, Doctor Strange, The Celestials of Marvel, etc.

>>48796765
Are We Cool Yet?

>>48799840
>plasma gun

Oh hey! How about that? Doomguy has got a plasma rifle too!

>>48800050
This.

>>48793409
and then john was a zombie

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No question on who wins.

>>48806397
Doomguy's plasma rifle isn't the same temperature as a solar flare and able to set people on fire by missing them simply from the sheer heat.

>>48794943
>it's the same reason why One Punch Man fans know Saitama can beat anything.

Well yes.

It's not so much "lol his power level" and more that, if you write a story, and you have a character who fails to defeat an enemy with one punch, that character is not Saitama of One Punch Man no matter how much you insist he is.

Imagine, if you will, that I create a parallel comic "One Kick Man" featuring Amatias who can defeat all his enemies with a single kick.

It is then logically impossible to create a work featuring both Saitama and Amatias in a setting where they consider each other enemies and get in a fight.

40k is not quite as stupid, because 40k Astartes can lose, and do so quite often.

>>48800792
individual Tyranids are actually weak, Space Marine weapons are Bolters and we know them to be stronger than a double barreled shotgun.

>>48804465

I hate this kind of analysis, because it attempts to build a Castle of Objectivity on a soft foundation of completely unfounded assumptions.

Here, check this:

>Doom Guy can punch people so hard that they explode into piles of guts and bones.

...really? That's the claim?

Because that never happens. Doom Guy has never punched a human in any of the games. Zombies and Demons, sure, but if you didn't know already, rotten flesh is actually pretty easy to tear apart, and demons might have the solidity of balloons for all we know.

>the firepower of a tank

Sure, assuming the rocket launcher is worth anything. Having already established that demons are so fragile that you can punch them to death, the rocket launcher might be firing nothing more than cream puffs, and it is to Doom Guys eternal shame that he is so weak that he can die from standing too close to a cream puff impact.

>absolute zenith of human performance

He can die from swimming in green water! Green water so amazingly low-toxic that previously mentioned "falls apart in a puff of wind" demons don't even notice they're standing in it!


Also check this line, which implies Doomguy is about as strong as my tiny sister:

>This could mean that he's strong enough to endure the rocket launcher recoil as if it's nothing at all

The entire point of using rockets instead of guns is that rockets don't have recoil!

And this exemplifies my point: The author doesn't know what the recoil of the rocket launcher is, but he assumes it is high, and then, on that assumption, goes on to "prove" that this means doom guy is strong. This is endemic to every single point made in the picture.

Doomguy can lift 1600 pounds! (Because I assume I know what the weapons weigh)

Doomguy can survive rockets to the face! (Not that I know how powerful those rockets are, and "faces" not being a thing in the game)

Doomguy can fire his weapons with perfect accuracy! (And sci-fi weapons don't have auto-aiming features)

>>48806626
Let's also not forget that you can see Doom rockets move, so their kinetic energy will be absolutely fucking abysmal given their small size and slow speed. A proper RPG should be near invisible in very close range like the fights Doom takes place in.

>>48792750

One is a demon of pure rage whose sheer, unyielding grit and wraith-infused rancor was enough to bring all of hell to its trembling knees. The other is a genetically modified, armor reinforced titan of muscle with large scale ordinance at their disposal.

Bear in mind, even after waking up from his power nap, Doom guy was powerful enough to kill the reinforced cyber demon, which could probably go toe-to-toe with a space marine or two. He no longer has the full power of the wraiths pumping through him, but he's a void touched astropath with an affinity for guns and an arsenal that outstrips almost any other sane combatant he would ever run across.

>>48806626

And it's not like I think Doomguy is weak - I'm on team He Could Beat A Space Marine - but trying to objectively prove shit from the code of a video game adaption is just nonsense.

Doomguy doesn't run at X miles an hour - what a ridiculous notion. Doomguy has a GAME SPEED of X, because that's how he's programmed - and his game speed varies from Doom to Doom 3 to Doom 2016. It's his game speed when carrying no weapons and no ammo, and it is also his game speed when carrying ten weapons and fifty rockets.

Doomguy cannot carry Y pounds. If he could, he could shoot off a rocket to make space for some more shotgun shells. His carrying capacity is clearly a game adaption, and if you insist on using that to prove things, then I am sad to say that Doomguy is so weak that completely unloaded, he cannot even pick up a kitten, because there are no kitten slots in his inventory.

Stop trying to "prove" things from game mechanics that haven't been calibrated against each other.

If you insist on comparing the different marines, compare them without referencing game mechanics because the numbers are made-up bullshit.

Here's something you can compare: Doomguy kills demons. In great numbers. While he's alone. If you

IF you

IF YOU can get somebody to agree that the doom Cyberdemon counts as a 40k Greater Daemon (Bloodthirster?) then you can proceed to show that Doomguy can defeat a Greater Daemon without any assistance but even that requires that you can agree that the Cyberdemon counts as a Greater Daemon.

>>48806626
i agree with your points but there is a clear intention shown that doomguy is some kind of ubermensch badass.

IMO Doomguy is close enough to a space marine that the environment of the fight and weapon choices is more of a deciding factor than the combatants themselves.
Doomguy with his full arsenal probably beats a regular marine in single combat in a cover heavy arena. But a tac squad vs doomguy in the open with only his early guns is likely a fight in the marines favour.

>>48806711
The problem is that Dommguy doesn't have utterly superhuman reactions and near flawless accuracy. He can miss, meanwhile the Space Marine can drill him with a bolter, which is comparable in power to a 30mm autocannon mounted on a Cobra, while barely missing and on the move. Although if he gets hit by that new chaingun from Doom 2016 he's fucked. It's basically a reaper autocannon.

>>48806711

Yeah. That's the best point. They are both physically enhanced super humans. The deciding factor is then best summed up by who is bringing what to the fight.

Doom Guy bringing a Quad Damage, Berserk, Haste, Invincibility orb combo to the fight with a BFG and a chainsaw is a pile of marine gore waiting to happen.

Doom Guy with a combat shotty and pistol plus no upgrades in his hammer pants or his health/armor versus a Space Marine in a dreadnaught is probably gonna run the other way.

>>48799146
Astarte is a war goddess, just saying.

>>48806704
this post is the better of the two.

>>48806552
>40k astartes can lose
But only to something from 40k.

>>48806235
>Obviously there's a lot of shit more powerful than 40k, Superman, Doctor Strange, The Celestials of Marvel, etc.

Really? Gee, I would never guess since many of those exact characters have been suggested before and I've seen /tg/ will claim "chaos gods will rape them into oblivion" or "Superman is a dumb xeno who cannot match speaks mareen"

All because the GRIMDARK future of 40k is so hard core leifeldian 90's the idea of any outside force being suggested as capable NB of brining change is furiously torn down by the very people who complain about it.

I'm sorry, I guess I'm just tired of Warhammer 40k and I'm tired of the golden pedestal /tg/ puts it up on.

>>48807119
People who think 40k is undefeatable simply haven't read anything other than 40k books.

A better question would be would doomguy fall to khorne?

Especially as he would have no idea what the corruptive powers are. He's seen happily using any old weapon he finds, including ones in hell, so the chances of him procuring a khornate artifact or daemon weapon are pretty high.

>>48807308
will power and intent is a big deal with 40ks warp and chaos gods.
doomguys pretty anti hell and even using a deamon weapon doomguy can likely avoid corruption. Its already happened in 40k. if he doesn't handle any chaos artifacta directly he's certianly going to be able too resist chaos.

>>48807119
>I'm sorry, I guess I'm just tired of Warhammer 40k and I'm tired of the golden pedestal /tg/ puts it up on.

Don't judge us by the worst of us.

>>48807137
It's that, combined with a mixture of ignoring the game rules when it suits them and demanding that the masturbatory lore trumps everything else, and then we have people in this very thread arguing that doomguy would lose because he can die to imps when he canonically defeated everything that was thrown at him in the story by the end of the game.

Essentially, it's that special brand of hypocrisy, where the story trumps everything if its in favor of 40k, and then the game mechanics trump everything as well if its in favor of 40k.

It's this senseless form of "40k must always win" argumentation that makes this thread, and every single one like it, a testament to how fucking retarded 40k players are.

>>48807418
it's not just 40k players. every fandom has their overly obsessed fans.

40k is just a relatively large fanbase and commonly spoken of setting so theres more retards shouting more often.

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>>48806216
Fine, you got me, here is your (you).

>>48807450
No, 40k is retarded, and attracts retards. It's entire story is essentially "bunch of dumb factions need to fight endlessly", and the fans pretend its some deep space opera of epic proportions.

They're not a particularly large fanbase, just a particularly loud one, one that feels a special kind of entitlement to be retarded.

It's more like a sports fandom than a game fandom, and 40k fans adopt many of those mannerisms, including chanting slogans, insane grudges against "rivals", hero worship (with primarchs rather than quarterbacks), and so on and so forth.

Other game fandoms ridicule these kind of fans, while 40k encourages them, because 40k only survives on the merit of fan loyalty.

From every measurable quality, ranging from model designs and construction to the writing and progression/revelation of the lore to the mechanics of the game, it's a fucking antiquated mess, slowly dying thanks to GW's reliance on sunk-cost fallacy to keep its fans gobbling up all the shit they endlessly complain about but are addicted to.

You need to be a special kind of idiot to enjoy 40k.

>>48806235
Space marines might be able to run at 50 - 60 mph hour but not indefinitely.

So far as we know Doomguy doesn't need to sleep and he hasn't been observed to get tired. So Doomguy can do just under 50mph non-stop forever.

Whilst carrying more than a tonne of weapons and ammunition.

And space marines might be able to dodge certain types of in coming fire. Doomguy just tanks the damage. Without slowing down from his 50mph kill frenzy.

And I think that his armour is carapace and flack rather than powered.

Also for Space Marines to be at peak effectiveness they require a logistics set up to keep them topped up on bolts and things and usually specialize in fast hit and run decapitation and get the fuck out tactics. Doomguy soloed Hell without backup.

40k might have insane power levels. Then there is Doomguy.

>>48806552
What if they defeat each other simultaneously? They'd both live up to their concept.

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>>48807550
>Space marines might be able to run at 50 - 60 mph hour but not indefinitely.
Actually they can. Space Marines can fight for days on end without any rest or sleep. They also can learn how to pilot a jetfighter by eating the pilot's arm and survive by eating rocks for calories.

And Doomguy soloing hell is not impressive at all as most demons in it can be dropped with mere buckshot. Doomguy meanwhile would completely dissolve in the Warp and be unable to do jack shit to Daemons at all. Meanwhile Space Marines managed to purge 500 Daemon Worlds in the Abyssal Crusade, fighting unlimited, infinitely spawning hordes of shit like Bloodletters. In the warp. Which is important to note because Daemons in 40k are at their most powerful in the warp, and can do fun shit like abduct you into pocket dimensions, control time, and generally fuck with you.

>>48807649
>They also can learn how to pilot a jetfighter by eating the pilot's arm

That's not how it works.
In fact, most of your post is complete bullshit, but that part in particular is where it's clear that you have absolutely no fucking clue about anything, even your precious space marines.

Like, fuck. How are we supposed to have a discussion, when you clearly don't know anything outside of 40k, and then you go ahead and reveal that you don't even know anything inside of 40k either?

>>48807418
>It's that, combined with a mixture of ignoring the game rules when it suits them and demanding that the masturbatory lore trumps everything else, and then we have people in this very thread arguing that doomguy would lose because he can die to imps when he canonically defeated everything that was thrown at him in the story by the end of the game.
Uh no, game mechanics have never and never will be canon you fuckwit. You should stop having a stick shoved up your asshole when it comes to warhammer and treating gross abstractions for a balanced wargame to occur as having anything to do with the 'reality' of the fiction. The novels are canon, and nothing is above them. Same with Codex fluff. If you want to pout or bitch like a child though about this fact, be my guest. It doesn't change 40k's canon.

>>48807668
>That's not how it works.
Actually it is. According to the Codex, Astartes do not need to eat the brain of the enemy to learn knowledge. They gain information merely by eating 'flesh'. This is why Astartes can get visions their prey had simply by eating at a feast, drinking blood, etc.

>In fact, most of your post is complete bullshit,
Actually considering it's based on my reading of 40k fluff that's all canon, it isn't. But seeing as how you're so butthurt, could you please show us on the dolly where warhammer touched you?

But of course continue with your useless shitposting with no information and purely dismissing arguments.

>>48807669
>guy solos hell
>BUT HE CAN DIE IN THE GAME

That's what I'm talking about, you moron. Literally one of the first few posts. Must suck not being able to read.

What are you going to do now? Cry like a dumb bitch because you leapt to defend your gay fandom and were struck down like the idiot you are?

>>48807688
It's not about eating the flesh part, it's about receiving genetic memory to better adapt to an environment, not fucking piloting, you absolute fucking idiot.

Fuck, if you're going to masturbate about how great the marines are, at least learn the lore that you're trying to use to jerk off to.

Fucking pathetic.

>>48807418
>It's that, combined with a mixture of ignoring the game rules when it suits them and demanding that the masturbatory lore trumps everything els
>>48807690
That is not at all what you were saying anon. You were saying that 40k TT rules are canon (when they aren't) and that 40k fans 'ignore them' in favor of the fluff. Which they don't ignore anything, they merely follow the canon.

But hey, nice try backpedaling.

>>48807708
>It's not about eating the flesh part, it's about receiving genetic memory to better adapt to an environment, not fucking piloting, you absolute fucking idiot.
Nope. They can learn how to pilot a jetfighter by simply eating the pilot. This happened once when an Iron Warrior needed to learn how to fly an Ork fighter to escape from behind enemy lines. He dined on Ork cuisine, and knew how to operate everything. Something similar also happened in one of the Ultramarines novels, when an Ultramarine chowed down on a Tau pilot to take off in his fighter craft.

But hey, clearly I'm a fucking idiot that knows nothing despite knowing far more than you do about warhammer :^)

>>48807708
In one of the Ultramarine stories, the one which was Uriel Venturis vs Tau a marine eats a Tau brain and gains the ability to pilot their anti-grav craft.

It is official fluff.

It's still shit.

>>48807709
>That is not at all what you were saying anon.

Well, fuck me, an idiot is trying to speak for me.

What I was saying is that you idiots will demand that fluff trumps mechanics when it suits you, and that mechanics trumps fluff when it suits you. It's just too sad for you to even think about how pathetic space marines are in the game mechanics, but you're quick to downplay how absolutely mind-fuckingly broken some characters are in other game's lore.

That's what I said, and if you knew how to read, I wouldn't have to repeat myself. Fuck, I'm probably going to have to repeat myself again because you're such a fucking moron.

What I was saying is that you idiots will demand that fluff trumps mechanics when it suits you, and that mechanics trumps fluff when it suits you. It's just too sad for you to even think about how pathetic space marines are in the game mechanics, but you're quick to downplay how absolutely mind-fuckingly broken some characters are in other game's lore.

So, you can go ahead and cry now, you little bitch.

>>48807741
There was also Siege of Castellax, so it's happened more than once.

Gotta love that magical gene seed.

>>48807731
>>48807741

Explain how that works, when it's in direct contrast to the specifications of the organs that enable it to work.

Bad writers being idiots?

>>48807754
Except there is no "lore" in Doom. We have absolutely zero concrete information and no, the 'lore' of Doom is nothing like 40k lore. 40k lore is easily over 100 stories, thousands upon thousands of pages, of very detailed, very concise accounts in a novel format of a story about X character being a badass in your typical bolter porn story. We know exactly-

>How it happened
>Why it happened
>When it happened

With Doom's 'lore' we barely know anything. We know that Doomguy beat up Hell and killed demons. That's it. We don't know how strong said demons are. We don't know how powerful said demons are. We don't know how strong, durable, or fast Doomguy is. We know NOTHING about the universe besides some weapon stats in 2016 DOOM, which is the only concrete information we have. THAT'S why I hate memetic Doom shit like this thread, as people talk up Doomguy like he's a fucking Primarch, yet we know fuck-all about his abilities and for all we know may be given a run for his money by a mere Scout. Meanwhile with 40k we have so much information it's almost TOO much.

>>48807774
Except it isn't? Sixth Edition Space Marine Codex states Astartes can absorb memories by eating flesh. That's it. There's no reason from that text why they couldn't absorb memories of how to pilot a fighter craft.

>>48807802
40k lore contradicts itself on a constant basis, and this is handwaved away by saying some of it is written in the perspective of glorified propaganda.

That actually makes a lot of sense, considering the disparity between the novels and the fragility of the units in the game.

Basically, 40k has no useful information, because you can't walk ten feet without running into something that undermines or flat out contradicts what some other author said or wrote, leaving it a mess of material that idiots can pick and choose to construct a narrative that suits them.

Space marines lose one-on-one against X enemy, but then beat 100 X enemy later as if it's nothing special? Clearly, the latter case must be canon.

>>48806626
One of rhe levels is in a gigantic skeleton of a titanic demon he killed, if it would he so soft then it couldn't hold all the shit in it, so all of your points can go fuck themselves

And if demons can rend and dent steel walls then they are obviously not very soft
Dumb nigger, you know exactly that the spirit of the game goes completely against the thought that demons are soft bitches, you're just arguing like a retard to sound smart, or at least you like to think you do

And yes, I didn't read your whole comment, fuck that and fuck you

>>48807809
Do you know where different memories are stored?

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>>48807830
O for the love of fucking g-

No, there is no such thing as 'in universe propaganda'. This is a mechanic used by the editors to dismiss old lore that is contradicted by new lore, as in 40k new > old. The idea that everything is a lie is a miscommunication between the editors in the fanbase, and the statement by the Black Library head who issued it no longer even exists, BL got rid of it.

>>48807841
In 40k's universe it's probably stored in RNA. The "Space Marines eat flesh and learn memories" thing is spawned from what turned out to be a false study involving flatworms. At the time it was believed, but it turned out that the guy was full of shit and that RNA doesn't contain memories.

>>48807858
It's the only way to make sense of a retarded setting written by inconsistent idiots.

It's less "everything is a lie" and more "nothing written can be considered as undeniable truth."

Really, it's a shame you're so fucking terrified of the game mechanics, because those are certainly more concrete than the endless ball of contradicting shit you call lore.

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>>48807858
Additionally the "its propaganda hur dur" is full of shit as well for not making logical sense either. Many books would never be published in-universe on account of being wholly secret material nobody knows about (Dark Angels and anything related to them), dangerous knowledge that would cause a daemonic invasion (most things related to chaos), and other stuff which quite obviously wouldn't sell well, like anything portraying the Iron Hands as heretical cocksuckers (which would likely lead to the Iron Hands purging your sorry ass). Most information is unknowable from a third person omnipresent narrator. Only specific novels are subject to an in-universe perception, such as the imperial guardsman's primer or the Eisenhorn and Cain series.

>>48807864
That still would only be genetic memories.

>>48807893
Except game mechanics aren't canon, the books are, and that's the end of it. You also don't play 40k, so you don't even realize that the game mechanics are more ridiculous than the novels.

Also, CONGRATULATIONS. Fiction is in fact, written by multiple different authors all with their own opinion on how everything should be! Which isn't any different from any other franchise with multiple authors, like Star Wars, or Marvel Comics.

>>48807901
Propaganda and unreliable information then, because if everything written is canon, then the universe breaks apart as an illogical mess.

All space marine discussion end before they start, with "Space Marines would implode when touched by a drop of logic".

Which, honestly, is probably the best way of handling these dumb talks.

>>48807906
At the time "genetic memories" were "all memories". The flatworm study was about how supposedly flatworms that ate flatworms who solved a maze puzzle could then solve the maze puzzle too, as they "absorbed" the memories of the consumed flatworm.

Of course nobody was able to replicate its results and it was thus debunked, but 40k hasn't changed that fluff.

>>48807934
>At the time "genetic memories" were "all memories".

Surely the writers couldn't be that stupid.

>>48807932
>then the universe breaks apart as an illogical mess.
What the fuck do you not understand about literally any fiction ever written?

There is no such thing as consistent fiction with multiple sources. Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Dungeons and Dragons, etc all are completely devoid of any consistency. Shit, even the Lord of the Rings franchise, created by JRR Tolkien by himself, is inconsistent as fuck.

There is NO consistent fiction unless it involves a single author who is completely anal about making everything match up.

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>>48807955
>GW writers
>not stupid

Anon you don't even know, do you?

>>48807956
>completely devoid of any consistency

That's an exaggeration. And certainly not to the levels of inconsitency you can find in 40k, which ranges from authors trying to make the mechanics make sense to authors trying to get your little nerd peckers hard.

Compared to Star Wars (non-EU) and D&D, it's hardly fair to lump them together, especially since the latter isn't really a unified setting.

But you're right in that Marvel, DC, SWEU, and 40k are inconsistent shit, which is why only idiots do dick waving contests with them.

>>48807989
>Compared to Star Wars (non-EU)
Oh anon.

The novelizations, pre and post retcon, have always been canon (novelizations of the movies).

The novelizations feature Jedi with hyperspace-speed reactions.

>>48797300
He can be Angron level or Russ level.
But this fucker ain't Sanguinius nor Magnus

>>48808042
Angron is capable of holding up Titans trying to step on him, Russ is able to demolish armies and resist the psychic powers of Magnus the Red.

No way in hell is Doomguy remotely close to them, or any Primarch for that matter. Primarchs get shot in the face with artillery shells and shrug it off.

>>48792750
Canonically, no. Doomguy is basically an epic level fighter with demonic and divine archetypes and demonically enchanted gear.

Anybody has the 'codex: doomguy' pic?

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>>48799779
>This cover was passed over in favor of the boring guy with a gun poster shown in
No it wasn't. They just decided to have both.

>>48807308
>>48807388
Nah, man, his rage would echo though the warp and create Malal, who he would be the daemon prince of.

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>>48799779
see >>48808098
The cover is reversible, dingus. Modern cover also fits the modern taste and looks a lot better on the shelf though it could've had a bit more RIP AND TEAR on it

>>48807741
Friendly reminder that the Black Library stuff is in that funny area of dubious canonicity. I'd suggest bringing some more evidence.

>>48808334
[citation needed]

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Just once I'd like to have one of these threads NOT devolve into an autistic spergout of "MUH FANDOM IS BETTER THAN YOURS!" I just want jokes man.

>>48807550
>So far as we know Doomguy doesn't need to sleep and he hasn't been observed to get tired. So Doomguy can do just under 50mph non-stop forever.

>In a PC game where levels are completed in literally minutes, they didn't code for fatigue conditions

>therefore doomguy can run at high speeds forever

THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU FAGGOTS

DON'T DO THIS.

>>48808334
>I don't like it so it doesn't count

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>>48792750
STOP PUSHING SHITTY 40K INTO COOL THINGS YOU ASSHOLE!

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>>48807119

The Xeelee could objectively destroy the entire 40k galaxy and every faction in it and not even notice if that makes you feel any better

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>>48808677
Get out of here, Rincewind. You're a Rogue who splashed a level into Sorc.

>>48807119
>>48807418
Autism, the posts.

You are clearly just mad that your imaginary hero isn't the "strongest" and that it would get it's shit kicked in by an imaginary hero some other fandom, instead of enjoying the games/books/setting for what they are, so let me add to your frustration by saying that not only could an average space marine destroy doomguy in a fight, so would any sort of high level fighter from halo, most kinds of pokemon or any comic book superhero like batman, captain america or spiderman.

Just swallow your asspain and grow the fuck up.

>>48793642
Well...except for the Soulsborne series. There they basically say you're a zombie that can't die.

Although in Bloodborne you're more like a vampire.

However, this isn't justified for in Doom so we have to assume that Doom guy never dies in canon

>>48808823
>so let me add to your frustration by being wrong

How exactly does that work? It just makes you not only an idiot, but an idiot trying to be spiteful.

What a great post for 40k fans. It's a good thing you decided to try to be their spokesperson, because otherwise, people might not have been convinced how much of a bunch of faggots you all are.

>>48792750
Doomguy can beat Defiler equivilants - and can one shot them if you follow classic Doom rules.

I think it's safe to say it'd take at least a squad, ideally in a cramped space. The Doomguy is Sanic-fast

>>48796591
But Doomguy can run at 50+ MPH and takes can tank rocket and superheated plasma.

I imagine that is toned down in NuDoom, but real Doom is at that level.

>>48808954
>he thinks I'm a 40k fan AND spiteful for stating the obvious, followed by "ur wrong" along with a few ad hominems for good measure

Go back to >>>/v/ and complain about your memes there, >>48794067

>>48808946
He died after clearing Phobos though.

Him respawning is why the demons had to trap him in a sarcophagus. He's DOOMed to fight demons for all eternity.

>everybody jizzes themselves over high level fighters in sci fi fandoms
>Pathfinder's sci fi version is still going to make them shit
Kek. Hopefully people will realise how shitty martials have had it through 3.pf

>>48792863
He's too much to be the Primach of Angry Marines, more a vision glimpsed in a fevered dream that they angrily try to live up to.

>>48809088
I'm not sure if you'd count that as respawning in the game sense. He dies, his soul/spirit/something goes to Hell, he RIPS and TEARS his way out of the portal they have there which gives him physical form again on this side.

Which raises an interesting question. Is doomguy now an Outsider or something possibly a Rage elemental?

Draigo stole all the credit from doomguy.

>>48809084
>if I say things that are even more wrong, that changes something!

No, that makes you just a dumber cunt.

>>48810201
>>>/v/

>>48807505
You are really mad about a thing that doesn't influence your life at all
Unless you work at game store,but this raises even more questions

Doomguy weighs 1204 lbs and moves around at a speed of 49.5 mph.

His energy while he's moving is 132132 joules.

At his maximum top speed, he exerts 5739825 joules worth of energy, which is about the same energy as the explosion from 1kg of TNT.

If he ran headfirst into a wall at top speed, he'd hit the wall with 9 million newtons of force, which is just a bit south of the thrust generated by the Saturn V rocket on liftoff.

Doomguy could put the Saturn V in space by running into it at full speed.

Don't fuck with Doomguy.

>>48811069
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/4nt3fo/i_got_bored_and_did_some_math_on_the_original/

>>48793409
The best worst fanfiction ever made.

>>48799773
Imps are lesser demons, grown in meat vats, and the possessed are deranged human marines.

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>>48796591
>A Primarch wouldn't need guns

>>48807649
>most demons in it can be dropped with mere buckshot
>they can be killed with bullets therefore suck
A Bloodthrister can be dropped by stabbing it enough times. A Bolter relies on penetration followed by explosion.

>>48806626
>Doomguy can fire his weapons with perfect accuracy! (And sci-fi weapons don't have auto-aiming features)
That was a result of the original game's engine, not a story thing

>People dissing the 49.5 mph speed value
Dude, the developers gave us the number to convert game map units into real word units and that result is derived from said number. Stop being a shit.

>>48807137
They haven't even read 40k books properly, if that's the takeaway they get from them. The Imperium is what it is because of inertia, the weaponry of 40k isn't actually that impressive until you get to some of the outlandish and rare stuff, and that's what makes it so cool in my opinion. Every description of the actual composition of power armor is a blatant description of chobham ceramic armor, what makes Space Marines so powerful are their biological enhancements. Your average battle cannon armed Leman Russ is inferior by almost all measurements to a modern battle tank.
It's the fact that, despite all this, humanity continues to hold on that makes 40k unique. Making everything in 40k godlike defeats the entire purpose of 40k.

>>48792964
Duh, Doomguy is the Primarch of the Angry Marines.

>>48799146
He practically single handily drove the Eldar to Extinction and probably gave Slannesh the best feast it's had since it got born.

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>>48809191
/thread

>>48809191
Angry marines were never funny.

That being said, on paper doom guy loses to space marines, but seeing how he is doom guy I'm sure he could at least take down an entire chapter of space marines if he wanted.

>>48792750
There's only one answer to this. In a Doom game, Doomguy wins, but in a 40K book or game, the space marine wins.

>>48792750
Is a basic Astartes capable of killing Doomguy?
Yes.
Is it likely?
No.

Doomguy, because he can't die. You can kill him as many times as you're able, but he'll always just respawn (or, if he's really shitty, load a save game from just before the fight).

Why do you think he was sealed in that coffin at the beginning of Doom 2016? The demons know they can't kill him, they know he'll just keep coming back, and the only way to stop him for any length of time was just to lock him up.

>>48793478
The same demonic energy that reanimates the other former marines. Except doomguy is some kind of freak so instead of turning him into a zombie, it just brings him back to life.

>>48799316
>implying bloodletters can't be killed with a shotgun.

>>48811457
Bloodthirsters can only be killed by a few weapons in the entire universe able to completely erase souls. They can be temporarily banished by stabbing, but only with special swords wielded by special characters. Jim Bob the Guardsmen is getting fucked six ways to sunday if he tries to fight any Daemon for that matter. To kill Bloodthirsters you need sanctified weapons, wards, and possibly psykers.

>>48814979
But what if I believe hard enough

>>48814979
Wrong. It doesn't take anything too special to defeat a Bloodthirster, just enough firepower. Enough Dakka gets the job done all the same. Daemons are banished yes but it's less relevant. Even if it's not permanent, they're still gone.

>>48799042
Is... Is that from Samson en Gert?

If it is, wow, never thought I'd think seeing any of that on 4chan.

>>48806726

Near Flawless Accuracy? They are just as accurate as SOB, who are just 'The best humans about'.

>>48793557
How does he even fucking see in that armor. The lower 30% of his vision would be entirely obstructed.

>>48800440
>The flesh is literally torn from the bones
>several weeks of intense pain
>resulting in a 3 meter beast comprised primarily of bone

>the Revenant appears to bear no ill effects
>no ill effects

>>48792750
That isn't Doomguy.
Doomguy hasn't even been posted ITT

>>48816090
then yes.

that is the basics of how the warp works.

>>48817528
wot? yes it is. yes he has.
that's the cover art of the new Doom game.

>>48816090
Then you're an Ork.

>>48817742

Yeah, but that ain't Doomguy.

>>48799265
>Doomguy's weapon legitimately couldn't scratch a Space Marine's power armor

This is false. We know because the Heavy Stubber is supposed to have a stopping power roughly equal to a bolter round and both of those are capable of killing marines fairly regularly. The ammunition used by the Heavy Assault Rifle (a weapon superceded by the plasma rifle which is supposed to have even more damage capability) is identical to that of the heavy stubber, making it roughly comparable to that of the bolter. Thus, Doomguy's most baseline weapon is capable of killing a Space Marine.

>>48818138
but, it is.

>>48817463
UAC everyone. The best part is when you read the little documents scattered on desks about the Revenant and one of them read "Why the fuck did we give them rocket launchers this is a horrible idea"

>>48817463
these are the same people who's answer too the energy crisis was opening a protal too hell.

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>>48818206

Hey look it's the game "How long will X character survive in the W40k universe?"

>>48807966

Woah, woah, woah, the hell are you going on about? That is literally the best way that storyline could be wrapped up. Eldrad's arrogantly attempted to hasten the birth of a new God while underestimating Astartes and potentially killed that god and doomed his species. An Astartes whom has dedicated his life to killing Xenos was so full of contempt and hatred for all Xenos that he did not trust the words of an Eldar and potentially stopped the greatest blow to Chaos ever.

That is great. All the well known and documented flaws of these factions came together tragically to bite them in the ass.

>>48793752
according to the 40k wargame, everything is based on luck and space marines are skilless idiots who rely entirely on the roll of dice deciding if they're going to be an idiot, or a god.

So you're right, they're both made of pixels and plastic, you antifun piece of shit.

>>48818285

In their defence, exploiting Hell solved the energy crisis, and the demons didn't get in until Olivia let them in.

>>48816139
No. Greater Daemons are completely immune to things like bolters or other infantry weapons unless the rounds are blessed. You need shit like Baneblades to kill them, but you'll still have trouble doing that on account of how fast the fuckers are. The most powerful Bloodthrister for example killed over a hundred Blood Angels in the blink of an eye to fuck with Sanguinius' mind by creating psychic backlash.

>>48818187
Only if you're a retard who thinks game stats are canon. Bolters are vastly more powerful than heavy stubbers, they're pretty much 30mm autocannons when it comes to kinetic energy, as bolt shells meant for dealing with armor are typically high supersonic or outright hypersonic rounds that hit with enough force to send several ton objects flying twenty feet when struck. Normal firearms, assault rifles, HMG's, GPMG's, etc, are completely useless against power armor, unless you manage to hit a joint AND penetrate the joint, which is difficult as even the joints are armored (synthetic muscle fibers made out of metal). To kill a space marine with conventional arms you need an autocannon, such as those mounted on APC's or attack choppers.

Doomguy vs. Space Marine

The Problems.

>1. Plot armour.
Who will win depends on who has the thicker plot armour in a fat. Doomguy is a named character, Space Marines are essentially nameless mooks in this instance. Sure, there are Space Marine characters - don't get me wrong. But we're not pitting a character against Doomguy here. We're pitting a nameless schmuck of a Marine. One of those faceless masses who gets brought down to make the heroes look even more heroic.

Advantage: Doomguy.

>2. Contradictory Source Material
The Doom video games, board games, comics and books all paint a fairly cohesive image of Doomguy. There aren't any excessively massive discrepancies that can't be accepted or tolerated.

40k novels, video games, board games and comics are all over the fucking place. White Dwarf even came out with rules for how to play Space Marines on the tabletop as they are depicted in the lore. As a result, anyone siding with the Space Marine can cherry pick their data.

Advantage: Space Marine.

>3. Armament,
This, and I'm shocked I have to point this out, is a nil-all draw guys and girls. All the arguments about Doomguy using a shotgun to kill daemons = daemons are weak falls apart when Imperial Guard Veterans regularly wield shotguns for the exact same purpose.

The problem with this ties back to the 2nd issue. You've got books that state that daemons can't be hurt by mundane weapons, then you got books and games where exactly that happens with no issue. 40kids are cherry picking data to try and use it to their advantage.

On the other side, Doomguyfans are stating that his Bezerker, Invincibility and Quad Damage boosters clearly push him into the lead. If you go down that path, what's to stop the Space Marine from having power swords, displacement fields or psychic hoods?

Keep it basic guys. Gun v. Gun.

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>>48818931
Sensible, responsible, approachable.

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>>48818931

(cont)

A Space Marines standard side arm (Bolter) beats Doomguys standard side arm (Shotgun). But Doomguy is typically expected to have damn near every gun in his arsenal on him at any given time, whereas a Space Marine is not.

I'm calling it a draw.

>4. The Opposition.

This is the big one. Doomguy runs up against Zombies, Revenants, Imps, Mancubi, Cyberdaemons and those annoying fucking spider things all the goddamn time. He just blitzes his way through them.

Space Marines throw down against Orks, 'Nids, Eldar and Daemons. But they are typically expected to do so as a unit.

Again, Issue 2 is the real bitch here. We've seen examples of Space Marines getting dropped by Grots and of Space Marines tangoing with Daemon Princes through out games and novels.

I'm leaning towards Doomguy for this, simply because he is essentially an Independent Character, probably on par with at least a Chapter Master on the back of what he's previously accomplished.

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Final Results:

Depends on the medium.

If you pit DG and a SM against each other in a video game, Doomguy is going to rape.

If you play them out on the tabletop, it's probably a 60/40 split favouring Doomguy.

If you throw them into a book or a comic, they'll stop fighting halfway through and go rip out Khorne's guts.

>>48818931
>daemons are weak falls apart when Imperial Guard Veterans regularly wield shotguns for the exact same purpose.
Imperial Guard almost never fight daemons, and when they do they tend to almost always get skullfucked. Guard can fight and kill warp scum, unaligned queer creatures of the warp not sworn to any god and are just horrifying balls of goop, but against anything like Bloodletters or Daemonettes, fucking die to the things that act like anime fighters.

Also, I can't actually think of any Imperial Guardsmen that use shotguns besides Catachans, who are a super-special regiment of borderline superhumans. Not to mention that 40k shotguns are vastly more powerful than modern day shotguns that fire ginormous shells based upon their bore.

>>48819085
>Not to mention that 40k shotguns are vastly more powerful than modern day shotguns that fire ginormous shells based upon their bore.

Have you actually looked at the specs given? They aren't that much stronger. Fuck, in some cases 40k guns are actually inferior to modern ones based on the details given. Their Tanks are especially guilty of this.

The issue is not all authors and writers actually understand the subjects they are covering. They aim for the Rule of Cool rather than functional reality.

>Imperial Guard almost never fight daemons, and when they do they tend to almost always get skullfucked. Guard can fight and kill warp scum, unaligned queer creatures of the warp not sworn to any god and are just horrifying balls of goop, but against anything like Bloodletters or Daemonettes, fucking die to the things that act like anime fighters.

The tabletop game itself is the first and best example. Again, this ties back into problem 2 - cherry picking your data. And Gaunt's Ghosts have thrown down against daemons before.

>>48819085
>Not to mention that 40k shotguns are vastly more powerful than modern day shotguns that fire ginormous shells based upon their bore.

Take that to /k/ and see what happens.

>>48818746
Reminder that Ka'Badha was turned into a bloody stain through the Sanguinor flying him high & letting gravity work for him. I doubt the entire ground is blessed.

>>48818800
Actually, the actual power of a bolter is inconsistent in the fluff. I question if those micromissiles work & throwing enough men at a Space Marine would kill it. Even some angry Khornate Berzerkers would die if enough Slaanesh cultists are hurled at them.

>>48819156
>Gaunt's Ghosts
Immediately canon. Gaunt's Ghosts is way better than much of BL's shit.

>>48819486
>Gaunt's Ghosts is way better than much of BL's shit.
>Mkoll one-shots a Chaos Dreadnaught.
>Throw down against and kill a corrupted Man of Iron.
>Try again, Bragg.
>Sure as sure.

>>48792750
depends honestly, are we talking about space marines that kill 100000 orks in an hour without a scratch or the ones that die to fucking lasguns?

are we talking about the doom that cant put his flashlight on his fucking gun or the one that made hell shit itself?

are the universes combined and therefore doom kills warp deamons? or is it just "hurr durr becuz magik" and therefore we have no fucking clue?

there are a million ways you could of said it but instead you decided to shitpost and cause a flame war, fuck all of you, goodnoght

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>>48819156
The tabletop game isn't canon you fuckwit, nowhere is it stated they are, and as game mechanics they're obvious abstractions of what's really going on, which you'd know if you actually were a part of the fanbase and payed attention to shit (or hell, played the actual fucking game). Neither are the specs for tanks, those got retconned. Choosing canon material over noncanon material isn't cherrypicking, no matter how many rivers you cry about it.

Gaunt's Ghosts are also strange outliers and cherry picking yourself. They're a ridiculously lucky team of Guardsmen who have somehow managed to survive against all odds when they would have died a very long time ago but continue to survive out of sheer luck. And Daemons suddenly forgetting that they can just teleport their swords into you.

>>48820259
fuck of faggot dont you have a femenist to white night you fucking faggot ass prince of wales i hope you die on your shit wefgergyhebbbgdfe

>>48820302
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>>48820319
uhhhhh how do i delete posts? help

>>48813576
> The demons know they can't kill him, they know he'll just keep coming back, and the only way to stop him for any length of time was just to lock him up.
If Hell couldn't stop him, a beefy bald totally-hetero-bro isn't going to do a heck of a lot.

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>>48820336
>he thinks ill actually help him

>>48820381
thats not funny! i dont want to be banned

>>48819807
I won't see the problem.

>>48820289

You understand you're just supporting my argument, right?

>>48820425
THEN YOU ARE A HEARTLESS MONSTER.

>>48820289
>a ridiculously lucky team of Guardsmen who have somehow managed to survive against all odds when they would have died a very long time ago but continue to survive out of sheer luck
Isn't such a thing normal in 40k?

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>>48820289
>The tabletop game isn't canon you fuckwit, nowhere is it stated they are,

>The 40k Tabletop Game, the fucking source of 40k, is not canon.

>40k isn't canon for 40k.

>I don't have a reaction image for this.

>Wait, yes I do.

>>48820680
i think the point he's trying to make is that the tabletop makes many abstractions or concessions too gameplay and so isn't an especially accurate source of capabilities of things. A space marine doesn't really have a 1 in 9 chance of being killed by a regualr humans punch for example.

>>48820861

A fair point. The tabletop game is a mechanical abstraction used to simulate battles in the setting. But using 'it's not canon' as an argument as to why a shotgun can't kill a daemon is as pants-on-head retarded as arguing if Doomguy or a Space Marine could win in a fight.

I'm just going to jump in and say that both sides have access to weapons capable of killing each other, so there's no certain Victor.

The Space Marine has an advantage in physical capability overall as well despite Doomguys own superhuman capability, but to be fair Doomguy also has significant experience killing enemies like that.

I'd say Doomguys experience would give him the edge against most younger Space Marines specifically and all in general as they tend towards arrogance and underestimating non- Marine humans.

A space Marine properly informed and wary would be a much close match, and Veteran or named space marines would have the edge with comparable experience and superior physical capabilities.

Neither case would be significant enough to avoid having it to come down to "It depends on the situation and conditions the fight happens under."

>>48819156
Although the tanks tend to have a lower Fuel consumption than modern tanks measured in Kilometres per gallon instead of Gallons per Kilometre

>>48821459

Design, armour thickness, armaments. 40k tanks are clearly designed by the Rule of Cool. Nothing wrong with that.

>>48806235
>although a psyker
This is a very big "although", as psyker powers is pretty much one thing 40k has over more conventional settings.

>>48807955
Did you just call Frank Herbert stupid?

>>48807966
So wait, if Eldard didn't spend that psi-energy to protect his ass, he would've awaken Ynnead? Jesus, what a selfish dick. I mean, SM is a dick too but you kind of expect that from Astrates.

>>48818931
>>48819019
I'm screencapping this one.

>>48822950
Share it. I need to save it for the next one of these threads.

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>>48823044
Thanks. Here's a Star Wars v. 40k in return. Those come up sometimes.

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The more important question, though, is: can Doomguy take on pic related?

>>48823957
probably. depends on the environment and arsenals.

>>48807137
A lot don't even read those.
They're familiar with the internet meme and spout it because they think it's cool; a lot of people on this board have admitted not having money to actually play or having no friends to play with (or even an LGS to go to), so really they're part of a fandom that they only way they can participate in is being an annoying fan as they don't actually have the ability to take part in the activity it's based off of.

>>48823957
same guy

>>48807802
You realize Doom has its own books and comics, right?

>>48800792
jesus christ the doom fanboys get so butthurt. this is kind of sad..

>>48819275
They'd probably shoot him.

>>48798751
>FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

The entire game

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The better question is:

Doomguy vs. Doomrider, who wins?

>>48825231
I'd pay to watch it.

>>48825287

>"You've got huge guts!"
>"I do c-c-c-c-cocaine!"

Match of the century.

>>48808061
>Primarchs get shot in the face with artillery shells and shrug it off.
>citation needed

>>48825538
>A colossal explosion erupted at the primarch's feet, wreathing him in killing fire, and dozens of his Firedrakes were hurled through the air, their armour molten and the flesh seared from their bones. Vulkan marched through the fire unscathed, continuing to kill traitors without missing a beat.
- Fulgrim, pg. 463

Vulkan got shot by an artillery shell so powerful it almost vaporized the space marines surrounding him, melting their armor off and burning off all their flesh yet he was completely unphased.

>>48823050
You are a gentleman and a scholar.

>>48818289
No like, that Doomguy is literally the Doomguy from DOOM, DOOM 2, and the other one, Resurrection of Evil(?).

>>48828454
DOOM 64, which is a bit harder to get a hold of to play cause for whatever reason it was just for nintendo 64, but the gist is they're all one in the same person just butt-fucking hell till the new game takes place in the future (past?) or new dimension....yeah, somewhere it takes place.

>>48828499
IIRC, Hell is like a nexus between different universes, hence why even though Doomguy has been all "I HAVE SLUMBERED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, WHO DARES DISTURB- oh it's demons, you assholes did it again". It also explains why he fought with humanity in Argent De'nure or whatever it is, and why he'sdoing this song and dance again even though he already pushed the demons off of Mars.

>>48799106
At least they require quoted lore evidence for just about any claims.

>>48828499
Everyone who is interested in Doom 64, google Doom 64 EX, you'll thank me.

Why are we judging Doomguy based on his weapons, anyway? He fucked up the demons the first time with a sword. When he woke up and started killing people again, he found a gun and was probably like "hey this kills things faster, I'll use this now." If he was in the 40K universe, wouldn't he just pick up 40K weapons if they were better?

>>48807119
>40k
>Liefeldian 90s
what exactly are you smoking, kid?

>>48830572
Liefeld would be perfect to write and illustrate a 40k comic and you know it.

Not that guy.

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