/anrg/ - Android: Netrunner general

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/8/12/intervention/

>>48756533
A living Cloak? I'm into it. 40 card deck also seems cool.

>>48756789
Her new fracter is bonkers too.

I'm definitely frustrated with all of these "Jackson replacements" that Damon is offering us. JH isn't just about moving agendas around your servers, like with Preemptive Action and Disposable HQ, it's about putting Agendas in places that the runner has to spend resources to get to, then pulling them somewhere else. JH draws me out of a flood and allows me to fix my early game in a way that no other A:NR card does right now. Having to run 4-6 deck slots of 2 or 3 JH "replacements" is really going to throw the meta for a loop and I don't see certain archetypes surviving the transition. Not just 7ptCI, but slower control style decks as well.

>>48756533
Wish there were other players around me. Seems like there ought to be. Arlington isn't exactly in the middle of nowhere.

>>48756968
Thank goodness for Jinteki.net, eh? I hope the author's life issues get resolved and it doesn't disappear.

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>>48756533
I'm sorry, but Hayley is still the best girl. Smoke is still cool though.

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>>48757359
If you are going to neglect real best girl, at least pick a better runner up.

>>48756908
>Not just 7ptCI
Mate, that entire package is going out with rotation, the whole damn thing.

Jackson is amazing, but, like Plascrete, we're unlikely to see all his features in one card, especially a neutral card

>>48756533
Blackstone, Houdini, Dai V (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Vernon) - Smoke's a magician!
Obligatory Smoke and Mirror etc.

Just ported my Kate deck in Smoke. What do you think guys ?

Ele "Smoke" Scovak

40 cards
Influence: 10/10 ●●●●●●●●●●○○○○○

Event (17)
3 Deuces Wild ●●●
3 Diesel
2 Dirty Laundry
1 Levy AR Lab Access
2 Lucky Find ●●●●
3 Sure Gamble
3 The Maker's Eye

Hardware (10)
2 Clone Chip ○○
1 Lockpick
3 Mirror
3 Prepaid VoicePAD ○○○
1 Silencer ●●●

Program (9)
1 Cerberus "Lady" H1 ○
3 Cloak
1 Dagger
1 Refractor
3 Self-modifying Code

Resource (4)
3 Ghost Runner
1 Same Old Thing

>>48758227
of course, the Lady is a Blackstone

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>>48757822
>>48757359
Smoke is cool, but if you're after best (runner) girl you're way off

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>>48756543
>The identity retains the Corp's focus on efficiency, but discards the extra credit that Engineering the Future would have offered for expanding outward with the installation of new cards in favor of the efficiency you can gain by rezzing bioroids at terrific cost reductions.

So this is never going to see play right? You have to have at least 2 bioroids on the board, you eliminate the facecheck potential from your damaging ones, and playing EtF gives you more influence along with more reliable economy. I mean, is FFG even trying with Haas IDs anymore? At least Cybernetics Division and the Foundry did something other than money and bioroids.

I just noticed that Smoke doesn't have any link. Interesting, considering she's the 'can't ever be caught' runner. Also, the text on Chief(Thief?) Slee is an incredible tease.

>>48756908
The 'overdraw, dump agendas into archives, shuffle them back in' part of Jackson always bothered me for some reason. And while I do agree that there should be an agenda flood management card for the corps during paid ability windows, I wouldn't be too bothered if the didn't have the 'waste runner's resources' part like Jackson does. Maybe a reverse Panic Button that shuffle cards into RnD and can't be used during a run.

>>48758138
I like how Plascrete's effects are being redistributed. Guru Davinder is 4 credits and an influence to prevent multiple killing blows, while Citadel Sanctuary is single use and either uses up the corp's money or removes a leftover tag each turn. Then there's Sports Hopper too for link and draw. Very interesting options.

>>48756880
I want to use her fracter like Mimic or Yog, treating it as a fixed-strength breaker 90% of the time and only occasionally pumping its strength.

>>48758718
You get a 4c discount every turn, except for the very first bioroid you rez, and you think this will never see play? You understand that the strongest runner and corp IDs each give a *1c* discount each turn, right?

>>48759082
Not going to get it anything like every turn, though - just every turn the runner runs, gets past an ice, and you have another unrezzed roid that you're willing to forfeit surprise on.

>>48758718
You can get a 4c discount every turn, provided that the runner runs at a bioroid ice, passes it, and you have another bioroid on the board.

Couple things about this. On turns where the runner does not run, this is dead, while etf gets you a credit. So doing your job as HB and taxing the runner out of running turns off your ID. Similarly, if you do not have another Bioroid, this is dead. So there are two, easy conditions which turn off this ID. Similarly this works the first time, so if the outermost ice is an unrezzed bioroid, you cant AoT it and tax them, you either need an ice on another server or further in the server or you just wait but the runner doesn't get taxed that run. So this economy is fiddly, let's be generous and say it fires two thirds of the time, most of that being frontloaded.

Now we need to deal with the other downside, which is that prerezzing ice eliminates their facecheck. Granted, bioroids are clickable so its not as much lost as you would expect, but this is still clicks that the runner will be getting back since they know what ice is there. Plus they can accurately gauge how many credits they need to get into a scoring server and bioroids are porous anyway.

Then you have the 3 lost influence. Now with Premptive Action influence isn't as necessary but its still very useful. The only other reduced influence HB ID is NEXT Design, which is actually a good comparison point. Both give slightly variable early advantages on ice [AoT Discounts or clickless installs and draw] and have less influence than EtF. AoT gives slightly less valuable economy, since clicks are better and you get them before the game even starts, but it can keep firing throughout the game. However AoT gives that discount on something which isn't a gamewinner early on while Next does. You can't score out behind an Eli, you certainly can behind an a silver. So AoT can be used to kickstart an early glacier, but so can EtF. And that is always the problem with HB.

>>48759297
And? Kate and EtF aren't using their ID abilities every turn either.

>>48759297
>implying that doens't work with bioroid assets and upgrades
isshiggydiggydoo

>>48756533
I actually think the idea of a "recurrent stealth credit ID" that everyone was calling for the last 4 cycles is incredibly lame and cheap, and I hoped it never came to be. Even if the whole concept is ready for fast setup, fast stealth, fast running, I would have prefered if her ability was something else that enhanced the way Stealth Running works, making the way the runner ID interacts with a regular stealth deck different and unique. Like, I don't know, "The first time you spend stealth credits each turn, draw a card." or "The first time you make a successful run on R&D each turn, you may search and install from your Heap or Stack a Stealth card (paying install costs)."

>>48759409
Did you even read the card?

>>48759519
The passed once has to be an ice, but it can rez any kind of bioroid, so it's fantastic for early adonis/eve campaigns.

>>48759556
>so it's fantastic for early adonis/eve campaigns.
You wish, Adonis and Eve are advertisement, not bioroids.

>>48759581
The only non-ice cards that qualify are Alix, Ash, and Ronald Five.

>>48757822
I will accept Leela as 3rd, behind the Queen of Shaper Nonsense and Our Lady of Stealth.

>>48758253
No.

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OMG OMG OMG OMG

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

YES! Spoke at last!

(With people talking rotation and replacement, I'm really digging this card)

>>48760272
I'm sticking with Sports Hopper in Geist. SHit's drawing me 4 cards.

Best *woman* is clearly the Red Queen anyway.

>>48759439

I would have loved that Stealth ID to be in crim really. I mean, if Shapers can get Sareen...

>>48760272
>Smoke

One day, one day, there shall be no typo.

>>48760291

Certainly not in Geist, but add some link and Power Taps to get paid for click-less tag removal?

I'm certainly digging it. At te very least I'm going to consider it in Sunny. So many new ways to fire the Power Taps for more money.

Who is the best boy /anrg/ ?

>>48760272

I wonder about how it also strengthen classic DLR play - click one run and self-tag, click 2 to 4 DLR, end of turn remove tag.

>>48760414
>>48760492

Sunny DLR?

Click one run R&D or HQ with Nexus, voluntarily lose the trace, get jacked out + tag, get the money from Power Tap, get a Turning Wheel Counter for later deep dig, three clicks DLR, tag removal from Sanctuary, get money from Power tap again.

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>>48760272
Sanctuary? Ha!

Seeing that new Shaper breaker, and in view of the Anarch ones, they better have some cool things to show for Crims later on.

That being said, I have a feeling the Corroder domination is going to be a thing of the past - cool timing given that conversation we had just a few threads ago.

>>48760624

Another great lady of the game.

>>48760624
never realized the drawing was that awful.

>>48760687
I hope we get some decent walls to make up for the new breakers though

>>48760489
Jackson Howard, of course.

Gotta love that flavor text on Blockade Runner.

>>48756908
>JH draws me out of a flood and allows me to fix my early game in a way that no other A:NR card does right now.

That's why it's a powerful but bad card.

>>48760720
I hope so too. Lately barriers don't even seem to exist in the minds of the designers.

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You know you want to play this on Janus...

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>>48761147
me no care

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>>48761209

I think you mistook my ID for the other one.

>>48761338
me still no care, it's still 3 stealth creds

>>48761357

"Only"?

>>48760489
Probably Geist, Kim, or Null.

>>48761383
For janus it's pretty cheap.

>>48761409
>Kim
An amputee who doesn't like sexbots ? I'd sooner sleep with Omar Keung.

>>48761454

Clearly, you haven't seen pictures of Keung when he was young.

>>48761427

And for a Stealth rig it's also extremely demanding

>>48761507
meh. in stealth crim, with silencer, it's actually not that taxing. it's still less taxing than 2 sentries.

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>>48761569

Oh yeah? Well how about with this guy involved?

(One day... I swear, one day)

>>48761694
>encounter zed
>don't spend clicks
>???
>profit !

Wait why is Smoke in front of her faction cards? I thought they inverted order for this cycle?

>>48761770

Issue: Zed works per RUN. Not just on him.

He's designed to turn the 'Click to bypass' ice into a 1-2 punch.

>>48761770

But then with Wetwork Refit it kinda changes things up, with the Brain Damage Subroutines coming *before* all others.

>>48761796

Do you ever expect Smoke to not be on front?

>>48760489
Nasir.
>Cyber Explorer. Knows most beautiful non-commercial zones in the Net.
>Cyborg. Doesn't need a phone to check his phone.
>Brilliant at making new allies and finding opportunities. Dates never go stale.
>Has likely traveled a lot in search of The Source Code before his visit to the moon.

>>48761845
I don't get why her placement breaks the trend?

>>48761876
nice how you forgot the part where he unleashed Apex on our world.

My pick is probably geist
>into tech, probably a nerd
>ripped though
>knows how to get money
>knows people who get shit done
>into cam stuff

>>48761147
I'm not sure where you want to play this. The best use might be turning Viktor 2.0 into something you actually need to break. Or Fairchild 2.0, maybe.

>>48761980
Nice headcanon, but officially Apex's origin and agenda are unknowable.
Also Nasir isn't member/leader of organized crime.

>>48758961
I don't think it will quite work like that. Because the difference between 90% of the time and 100% is huge.

Yog being actually free was a huge deal, so even if you needed a backup codebreaker it provided a lot.
There a now a few things that make running Yog only kinda dangerous, but it's still amazing.

Mimic has always seemed a little odd to me. It gets you around a lot of early dangers cheap, but get caught off guard and you can get murdered. One the other hand, while you might get hurted, you probably won't get bounced, so you can take the hit and still get in.

Blackstone will act a bit like Yog in that if it fails you just get bounced (most likely), but barriers get pretty big so having the ability to grow is huge. Also, it's not free.

Also, it's not Anarch, which is huge because paying influence for Corroder in shapers was a very common.

I wonder if we'll see more Agenda's like Project Kusanagi. These won't change agenda density or help you to score out, but are excellent forfeit fodder, Runner baits, Current trashers, AND significantly less broken than Projects from Genesis.

I know we are balls deep in a new data pack reveal, but...

If you could have a sideboard in netrunner, what cards would you bring to defeat top archetypes?

>>48762549
Targeted Marketing, Net Police, one additional All Seeing and Closed Accounts, and Financial Collapse into my for funsies Haarpsichord deck.

>>48762183
Blackstone, Yog, Mimic, and any of the usual suspects: Datasucker, Parasite, D4v1d, etc. Influence is a little tighter now, between Blackstone and the updated MWL, but there aren't any must-haves from other factions, and "the usual suspects" just includes Ghost Runner now.

Hell, I'll probably base a list for Null on this.

>>48763106
And now that I've gone through this, someone is going to talk about Orion, Curtain Wall, or Wotan.

>>48763225
Curtain Wall gets played, but because Blackstone can be buffed, you can get through it.

The code gate that can't be weakened shows up a lot in any meta too reliant on just yog+sucker

>>48763470
But those are the three barriers you'd have to pump Blackstone *twice* to get through.

Lotus Field? Yeah, but there are still ways to counter that. Whatever influence I have left after Blackstone and D4v1d will probably go to a Net-Ready Eyes or something.

>>48763812
If you're running data suckers then you can pay for Blackstone and get by only a couple virus counters.
Building up enough counters to get trough the wall just str 3 seems unlikely.

It seems worth it to include a few sources of stealth credits if you're running Blackstone. You can use the recurring credits even if you don't use the pump.

>>48763896
That's exactly what I was thinking, using Ghost Runner as a complement to D4v1d and all the strength-manipulating shenanigans.

I've been gone for a while.

Are there so many asset spam decks now that icebreakers are sort of an afterthought?

Like, if you build this cool era 1 shaper rig, will you just lose because your opponent never bothers playing any ice?

>>48764124
Okay, I get that. I like Blackstone in part because you don't need to be heavily invested in stealth credits to make it work.

>>48763812
>Lotus Field
that was it. I'm not saying there aren't ways around it, but it did provide a lot of counterplay against Yog.0.

I've been out of the game for a while, stopped playing shortly after Jackson Howard and Lotus Field took Virus Noise from being oppressively powerful and dominant in the meta.

Howard shut down Noise having a sure thing late game agenda grabbing late game, and Lotus Field meant that yog+parasite+sucker didn't just blank all code gates.

>>48764173
Not quite, except perhaps against IG - everyone still uses ice to some degree

Smoke with just a single stealth breaker--Dagger. Non-stealth fracter and decoder. One install and three credits and you're ready to start face-checking with high confidence, sometimes cheaper than Mongoose. Don't even worry about Cloak or Ghost Runner unless the corp has Archer, or they start doubling up sentries.

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Hmm, looking at the box art, does this look like another Fairchild to anyone else?
I'm sure someone mentions a 3.0 bioroid in a flavour insert

Last thread we were wondering what HB were doing in this crisis, other than the same old same old, so I love the description FFG have for their new ID
>But if the Weyland and Jinteki identities are the Core Set identities backed into a corner and forced to lash out with the tooth and talon at their disposal, then Architects of Tomorrow is Haas-Bioroid's Core Set identity finding itself surrounded on all sides, dropping all extraneous development, and putting on the biggest, baddest suit of armor it can find.

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>>48766655
Also >>48761147 looks cool, Bioroids learning how to hurt people by using brain-scans from an assassin... who has a chainsaw arm

>>48758670
"Intervention" and Government Investigation makes me think this cycle is capped at both ends by board games - Mainframe started it while New Angeles is the struggle to maintain New Angeles's freedom as a corporate haven

Blockade runner has me thinking of Hardwired, which is always good - the ability is interesting, not sure how valuable being able to put things into your stack is - I'm thinking either late game cards drawn early, protection against damage or for setting up SMCs

And another character for Weyland - looks like Argus's Chief.
She seems cheerful. Maybe because she's been allowed to bust heads.
"whenever an encounter with a piece of ice..." presumably "ends"?


Whichever runner was behind pic related is also the one from Record Reconstructor, based on their raccoon tag. Minor but notable point, it's in the same (to be cycling) pack as Hellion Alpha, so callbacks a-plenty in this cycle.

>>48767147
Only just noticed the screens in Data Breach, that's neat. I was going to say it's Princess Space Kitten because she's the only known runner with cutesy stuff, but then maybe they wouldn't quote a runner outside of their faction?

If the Chief's ability was to give a tag if the ice had advancement tokens on it, I'd scream. Second place would be to deal 1 meat damage.

>>48767399
Yeah, that'd be nice.
Whatever it is though, nice to see Weyland ice getting an indirect boost through encounters doing something.

I do note that it's "whenever" so even a bounce will trigger her, but she is a 2 cost asset, so we can't realistically expect wonders (and she's named and thus unique, so Rumour Mill will get her)

>>48759389
>So doing your job as HB and taxing the runner out of running turns off your ID.
This is the wrong way to look at it, I think.

This is about making the runner not run. If the runner is not making runs, you need to be (1) making your board position more oppressive and dangerous (2) scoring out or (3) making them suffer. If the runner can't run because they've been taxed to death, that's *mission accomplished* and the fact that you're not getting an extra credit is irrelevant. You don't get extra credits when you score out, either, and that doesn't matter because that means you're winning. Any deck using this Id needs to plan to make the runner do their job, but once you've accepted that, things start to fall into place.

If you don't have bioroids? Since when does HB not have bioroids about? If you don't have bioroids because they're all rezzed and taxing the living bejeezus out of the runner, that's *mission accomplished*. If you install something over R&D, then every turn they want to check it, they end up basically giving you three or four credits. That's amazing credits. That lets you rez many bioroids for free, and some of our most painful bioroids for a song. Ichi 1.0 and Viktor 2.0 are one credit, Heimdall 1.0 and Ichi 2.0 are four. This gets crazy if this fires more than four times a game - and it very well could, if you're installing bioroids and making sure the runner has to run.

Want to take out my brain taping warehouse? Not only do you need to pay the trash cost, you need to accept that you're giving me free stuff. Same with my campaigns. I can stick *any* asset behind a wall, and demand the runner come get it - and then laugh all the way to the bank when they do.

TL;DR: HB is gonna build an Bioroid Ice Wall and make the runner pay for it.

(Is >>48767875 )

>>48766655
Yes. I am actually quite happy with the new ID; I was hoping for rig destruction or brain damage, but the more I think about the new ID and how it will work in practice, the happier I am. Haas-Bioroid: Architects of Tomorrow seems like it works best when you can force your opponent to run the server, "or else".

>>48767492
Atleast Weyland has an in faction 0 cost current to get Rumor Mill off the table, I wouldn't mind packing 3 Paywall and 2 Housekeeping if only to keep Rumor Mill of the table. That said, I'm sad that it's only 1 credit to play. 2 credits would've made it a lot more taxing to recur repeatedly.

>>48767956
Yeah, that's true, though it looks like "Rumour Mill, run [unique asset/card protected by unique upgrade] x no. clicks remaining" will be a strong move we're likely to see, and not one there's all that many counters to

>>48758718
>What is Robocop without Surat City Grid?

Literally the only thing I though of when I saw this ID.

>>48756533
I want Smoke to use me as her personal ashtray.

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Compared to the Escalation preview, I'm not as excited for this pack. Everything previewed is pretty much just generic economy/draw options. Sure, it'll be interesting to play them, but there's nothing like Conspiracy-sensei or BOOM!

>>48762549

Paper Tripping does look like a sideboard card to me - too binary. Currents in general. Foxfire/Freelancer. Corporate Town. Donut Taganes.

The question I guess is would a sideboard bring more diversity, or just allow some cards that are played but considered meta dependent (Plascrete, Crisium, Salsette Slums, Paricia...) to be sideboard-ed... I'm thinking the later.

The one ID I feel could probably benefit from a sideboard is Jinteki Biotech. You can actually refine your generally averaged-out build from match to match, strengthening its unpredictability.

>>48769250

Well, it's becoming a cliché, but it *is* a Shaper/HB focused pack, so it being all about efficiency is par for the course.

That being said, I'm liking the look on Chief Slee. Per ICE encounter effect in Weyland?

Given Smoke's look, I'm amazed she's actually "only" a G-mod, I would have expected some major cyber mod.

More deflection I guess.

>>48758227
I like this build. You need a notoriety for theme, though.

My build for her looked like this:

Event (8):
2x Account Siphon ●●●● ●●●●
1x Levy AR Lab Access
1x Notoriety
3x Quality Time
1x Rumor Mill ●●


Hardware (9):
1x Clone Chip
2x Mirror
3x CyberSolutions Mem Chip
1x Qianju PT
2x R&D Interface

Program (7):
3x Cloak
3x Self-Modifying Code
1x Sneakdoor Beta ●●●

Icebreaker (4):
1x Dagger
1x Dai V
1x Refractor
1x Blackstone

Resource (12):
3x Daily Casts
3x Data Folding
2x Beth whatever-her-name-is-I'm-on-my-phone
2x Ghost Runner
1x Guru Davinder ●
2x Same Old Thing

Total cards: 41
Total influence spent: 15 -1 = 14

So, with 4 packs in the Flashpoint cycle previewed, we now have 8 IDs released or spoiled over 4 packs.

This is literally the highest ID density we've ever seen from a cycle. Genesis, Lunar, and SanSan are the runner-ups with 7 IDs over 6 packs.

Does this mean 2-4 more identities remaining in the final 2 packs? Or is Damon a madman, releasing all of the IDs upfront?

>>48769428
>You need a notoriety for theme, though.
Reminds me of something someone asked the other day: can you make a deck for a runner with every runner card they appear on, possibly every card they are quoted on, and if you do who has the strongest deck?

>>48769345

Talking of Biotech, I'm thinking there's some very cool play to be made with it around Improved Protein Source/Clones Are Not People.

Too bad no one seems interested in it so far.

>>48769489
My money would honestly be on smoke. All her cards are basically pieces to her abillity and there's not an overwhelming enough amount of her in the arts/flavor texts that the deck would be bogged down with bad includes like a noise deck having to run Sacrificial Clone

Is there a way to download all the available cards as PDF scans or JPGs? Thanks

>>48769478

I think it's front loaded and we know have every ID of the cycle.
Which in a way is a good thing, because on top of being great at building hype, it means the last two data packs are going to be all about the cards.

>>48769639

Easiest way used to be to download and unpack the OCTGN files. I don't know where that thing is at right now.

So we have Houdini and Blackstone, who do you think will be the third magician?

(It's never Houdin, guy never gets the respects he deserves^)

>>48769478
I'm suspecting the latter - we've seen the cast of characters, and how the corps react, now then we get to see how the situation develops and events play out

>>48769713
It's Dai V.

>>48769893

Dai Vernon. Nice Catch. And another mystery solved.

I was so caught up with looking for something Japanese I totally missed it.

>>48769893
>>48769952
AI though, reckon we'll get a Killer?

>>48769969

If it's a Shaper-efficient killer, Coulew of Lorraine?

(Early known performer of the bullet-catch... clubbed to death with his own gown by an angry assistant - would be perfect, isn't it?).

>>48767147
I always thought the Racoon was Kate. In any case, Racoon CHAT nickname is Prowler_32. It appeared back in Double Time in a chat log.
Maybe Exile?

>>48756533
How fucking long did it take for her to get into the game? Was she namedropped in the core box, or was Notoriety and Daily Casts her first appearance?

>>48770097

Don't quote me on that, but I do think Notoriety was the first.

>>48770060
>clubbed to death with his own *gun*

That's a weird one. I don't know what happened here.

>>48770097
>>48770140
Wall of Static had her quote.

>>48770097
Makers Eye, core 36 - yeah she's been in the fluff for ages

>>48770076
Maybe Professor since Racoon appears on card quoted by him?

I am trying to think of a better flavored name for Film Critic... Destiller? Conspiracy Collector?
The best flavor would be if it was a virtual or a program and was flavored as Runner sending the Agenda to themselves via some "mail to the future" service...

>>48771081
It's pretty flavourful paired with Sensies. Problem comes when the agendas are not sensies.

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>>48771081
Critic's non-unique, so maybe something like Shadow Net Contact?

>I can hold on to it for you, 'till the heat dies down

>Anonymously leaking stolen data into the shadow net won't make you a legend, but it's unlikely to make you a target either

>>48769639
If you're okay with watermarks (from Upstalk onwards) then http://ffgapp.com/qr/ADNXX has all the cards, where XX is the pack number.
Currently has up to the end of Mumbad

>>48769428
Okay, at a glance I don't really like this deck.

Going for Siphon spam is a good thought - the small deck size and potential for early game aggression make this a natural fit for Siphons. But I question the implementation.

My first thought is to wonder what you're doing with the Data Folding / MU; that's a lot of expensive hardware and resources. SS Mem Chip + Data Folding doesn't pay off for six turns - three if you just install the Data Folding, but that's immediately turned off by SMC. Beth is also a bit questionable - you're planning to Siphon the corp into the ground to keep them from doing anything while you set up, but Beth only works when they have more money than you're probably okay with them having. If the corp has more than nine credits, you're probably doing something wrong. This is compounded by your only draw being QT; if you drop to zero credits playing Data Folding or your breakers, you're stuck clicking for credits or cards.

I'd add some burst economy if you plan to play those quality times. If you're relying on Blackstone as your barrier breaker, Datasucker seems almost mandatory, though I'm not sure what you'd cut - possibly Guru, or Rumor Mill? I don't know how useful Dai V is even going to be here - I can't think of any situation where I'd want to play it rather than trying to find my actual breakers. Patron might be a good include if you plan to draw a lot each turn, and want to keep the pressure on the corp.

I like Sneakdoor because of the potential for sniping Crisium or Caprice off of HQ prior to the Siphon. The lack of tag removal could be a problem, though.

>>48771328
Only two agendas are sensies, and critic ruins tons of other effects.

>>48769969

Honestly, I was only joking when asking for the third magician. Given we already have Dagger, that would be too much for the Stealth niche I think.

>>48764173
Ironically, Mopus isn't bad against asset spam, and Net Shield helps against a lot of the Jinteki nonsense with shocks. If 'era 1' includes creation and control, Paricia is pretty good against these decks too.

A lot of decks that were 'too slow' against later-day FA nonsense have a chance to shine.

Should Android Netrunner "click" right away with the base set?

I tried the Runner side once at RPC Cologne, which felt rather meh, so I figured I can safely ignore it.
Then two of my friends got their hands on a copy. So I figured I might try the Corp side. Jinteki vs. Shaper. It was horrible. I never had enough clicks, enough credits or any useful cards in hand.
Now I got my hands on a copy without any real cost to myself. So now I'm wondering whether I can come to enjoy this or whether I should just get rid of it.

>>48774357
Jinteki (PE) is a tough identity for new players. You might have an easier learning curve with either the base Haas-Bioroid or Weyland IDs.

>>48774357
Jinteki vs Shaper is a very safe match up - it can do damage, but there's usually not quite enough to kill, and it teaches all the basics, and bluffing, but pure core Jinteki is not great - in particular, it's notoriously poor.

HB is probably the best for learning with the core, though it does almost no damage at all.

You might be interested to know that you can deckbuild and play on line for free, so you can see what sort of things you can do with more stuff

>>48774499
>You might be interested to know that you can deckbuild and play on line for free, so you can see what sort of things you can do with more stuff

That's a pretty compelling reason to just get rid of my base set.
I have no intention of ever going beyond the base set, so if there is no fun to be had with that alone, I have other games in which to invest my time.

>>48758670

>Government Investigations
>0 cost neutral current of ??? influence

How powerful could it possibly be?

>>48760688

Her nose is a bit weird, but I do like how Borovic did her eyes.

The smooth microsoft paint tier "X"s are pretty hilarious though. Could have at least added some chromatic aberration to them to make them feel all digital and screeny.

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>>48762058
>I'm not sure where you want to play this.

Ravana decks with Batty. Also Mother Goddess is a nice target.

>>48774551
I don't know whether you'll have fun with it, but there's certainly a fairly good showing from the core on its own, it's just that there's (unsurprisingly) a lot to be had from more cards, given that (barring agendas and 2 IDs) any deck can have any runner/corp card in at least once, so there's a huge range of options even if you only add 20 more cards (i.e., one datapack)

What other things do you play, if you don't mind me asking?

>>48774705
>mother goddess
>fenris with better strength and no bad pub

Is this real life ?

>>48775018

Too bad there's no surprise factor...

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>>48761147
Is it bad that I want to teach little Eli how to hurt people?

Egress Protocol
Upgrade - Ambush
When a successful run on this server ends, the runner is forced to encounter the innermost piece of ice protecting this server. This applies even during the run that the runner trashes Egress Protocol.
Trash cost zero.
Flavor text about how a few rare sysops actually give a shit who disconnects from their servers.

What should the cost for this ambush be?

>>48775754
It should have both a trash and a rez cost of two.

>>48775106
Bad people got in to the servers. The creators are angry...and scared. People that scare the creators shouldn't exist.

>>48775754
Low - though it is an upgrade, it's still an "encounter ice" type, which isn't that deadly at all to most runners.
Free firing is nice though, maybe 2?
Similar to the Twins, but much easier to fire, balanced by only the last ice, which normally has ETR as well

>>48775754
What faction/inf would you think? HB?

>>48774929
BattleCon, Blue Moon Legends, Innovation, Star Realms, mostly.

The comparison with Blue Moon Legends in particular makes Netrunner look rather poor. Full set of a former LCG-like, easy to learn and play, enough depth and deckbuilding options to stay interesting even at high skill levels.

>>48776442
HB or Jinteki. I'd say HB, but I may be biased. It works best with HB because of the click tax; a runner that clicks past a Vikram, Ravana, or Sherlock, is going to be facing a very painful way out of the server.

>>48776688
Jinteki have the creative sysops, but HB like protocols and fucking with the runner... tough call

>>48774357

If you're using the deck lists included with the base set,that's your problem right there. HB and Gabe are probably the two most solid all-around decks that you'll be able to build, and neither overpowers the other.

>>4877258
This deck isn't really designed to spam siphons how prior shaper aggro decks I've built do, but really i just want to stutter the corp a bit early game and get enough econ to start setting up the more key points of the engine. That said looking at the list i could probably just cut DF entirely and go for 2x Mopus with a few more econ or MU cards. I've never liked Patron, personally

?

Where is the link to the last thread?

>>48780077

It died an ignominious death and wasn't worth saving!

>>48626271

>>48780528
Wow that thread was apparently so bad that linking it to hear completely destroyed any activity in this threat. Terrifying.

>>48771883
>>48769671
Thank you !

>>48774357
>>48776620
Oh hey, you wouldn't happen to be that one anon from /bgg/ would you?

Netrunner is fun if:
>you like the theme
Some really like the idea of breaking into servers of a corrupt corporation, stealing it, and doing whatever with it (wreak havoc, get rich, become famous, just because, etc.). Alternatively, you can build walls of ice to protect your servers, and develop your agendas into fruition, or punish the runner by flatlining them.

>you like being given multiple options and not have enough clicks to do them all, making every turn a puzzle of fitting of what thing to do first.
This is arguably the strongest draw of Netrunner, as you can do almost anything, but since you're forced to manage your clicks you will have to make certain tough decisions. "Should I keep drawing and setup my rig this turn, or should I run on that server with a facedown (unrezzed) card in it, not knowing whether it is an agenda or a trap that could flatline me?"

Corp side is harder especially base set only due to having less clicks, and you can run out of options that you like, but that's where the imperfect information of the board state comes in. "Should I risk installing this agenda behind these unrezzed ice that the runner doesn't know about? Can I punish him if he does? Does he have any tricks that might get him into this server?" That feel when you pull a successful bluff and score a win is pretty good.

I got my friends in using just the pre-built core set decks (mash a faction and the neutral cards together), and while it does have some weaknesses (Criminal doesn't have a decoder) it's still pretty fun. Shaper vs HB for the first few games is good, better if you have someone who are relatively experienced and know when to pull their punches playing Corp side. Maybe try playing all the factions atleast once if you can, they play pretty differently that you might find one you like.

>>48774667
It features Valencia, so my thinking is that it's possibly a replacement for Blackmail.

Maybe a current that increases rez costs by the amount of bad pub?

>>48775106

Wonder how awesome Eli v2 will be?

>>48786842

No such thing!

>>48783627
Yes, I am.

>you like the theme
Not particularly. Never been much of a Shadowrun fan either.

>you like being given multiple options and not have enough clicks to do them all, making every turn a puzzle of fitting of what thing to do first
Well, I sure like puzzles, see BattleCon.
But I have never liked Worker Placement games and what I've seen so far of Netrunner is that turns just feel bad, because 2 out of 3 turns you can't do anything that feels meaningful in any way.
Plenty of setup with random and anticlimatic payoff is what I get from it.

which client do people play this game on nowadays?
best beginner decks?

>>48788613

Not long ago, I would have said Jinteki.net, don't know the state of the site right now, though I recon it should be all right.

Best beginner deck, mileage may vary, me I tend to recommend some straightforward core set HB and shaper decks. Pretty self-evident, lets you catch the basics.

The support for poor Khan better be *amazing*, given how good all other Runner IDs have been comparatively this cycle.

That or we've missed something big about the way she works.

>>48789033
Yeah, goddamn - can't believe Smoke is a 40/15 as well

>>48789033

Thing with Khan is the one click and one credit saving could be amazing if not for how narrow its targets and how contriving its firing condition.

Autoscripter seems like a valuable include if you're going the B&E suite way I guess.

Expose to know what to install in time?

>>48789424
I can't believe she is so good looking. Wait, yes I can, she is and has always been best girl after all.

>>48759402

Kate and EtF ARE using their abilities each turn or they're either idiots or in a very bad game position

>>48788569
Guess your friends got you Netrunner then?

Maybe give the Why I Run game a try, I'd say if the extra fluff and additional insight into spending clicks still doesn't capture your interest, then you could probably sell/trade it away safely. Search for "nagnazul why i run", since I can't seem to get past the spam filter.

>>48761810

all ice that need another ice in front of them (or behind them) to work are complete shit

>>48791168
>implying Chum + Pop-up isn't the funniest shit ever to pull on your opponent

FULL/BACKGROUND-LESS ART OF SMOKE WHEN?

>>48791191
Wait, you don't sandburg your Pop-Ups and Pups ?

>>48791399
Why not both?

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>>48791305
Soon™

But seriously, she's one of Zeilinger's, and Khan's already up, so it shouldn't be too long

>>48791547
Where did you find Khan's?

>>48791166
No. It was a trade of dead weight. Naruto DBG for Boss Monster and Netrunner.

>Why I Run game
What's that?

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>>48791580
His website - he's one of the few artists who've put up most of their stuff (along with Liiga and Emilo Rodriguez)

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Can the runner install a new copy of a unique resource to trash an old one (say a Temujin who's server doesn't exist any more) ?
My opponent (the runner) reckoned they can't

>>48792670
You can. Same as rezzing another unique asset and installing over MU.

>>48791779
Someone must have deleted the Why I Run bit from the OP.

www nagnazul com/whyirun/whyirun.html

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Is Obelus crazy? or CRAZY?

>>48797366
Yes.

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>>48797366
This is my favourite Runner, fuck Null and Smoke. Praise our Sneakdoor Overlords.

In the category jank makes for great play: program-less Quetzal vs Uncorrodable Blue Sun. Really enjoyed those games.

>>48791191

Chum + Zed 1.0 takes the cake.

>>48797366

It's incredible. And again, makes me want to see the Crim stuff all the more.

The idea of GPI Net Tap to "explore" the board, then know what breaker to use in advance with Khan (maybe the B&E suite?) is appealing, but probably won't work that well in the end as is. On another note, enjoyed Savoir Faire in Geist Camera. Being able to install the card you drew mid run to deal with a surprise is pretty handy, if not indispensable.

>>48797366
I never noticed additional hand size for tags bit... WHAT?!

>>48798755

Beautiful isn't it? Tag-me race! Get more tags and cards in hand than the corp can deal you damage! (then face-check a psychic field against that new Jinteki ID)

>>48798808
Power Shutdown + AD -> Triple Boom would probably kill anyone, though I guess not many would have it 3-of.

>>48800490
It takes just 16 tags to give Runner grip big enough to survive triple Boom on turn with a shutdown...

>>48800577
Is it possible to even play BOOM three times in one turn? It's a Double, after all.

>>48800577
You still need to draw those cards in, and survive up to that point. That said, you'd probably have econ denial too since you're going tagme I suppose.

>>48801078
Accelerated Diagnostics ignores additional costs, such as the extra click in doubles.

>>48801288
But now you have to figure out how to get all three of them on top of R&D.

>>48803114
Click one: power shutdown your whole deck.

[use this paid ability to shuffle all three Boom from archives into r&d via jackson howard]

Click two: Accelerated Diagnostics for 21 meat damage.

Click three: there is no click three.

>>48757822
>Pooinloo
>best
Pick one and only one.

>>48769478
Maybe he'll put out another identity for Sunny's faction?

>All I can do is hopelessly dream.

>>48758718
Turn 1 Fairchild remote install 2/3 (or ideally in the future a great 1/3) and bulky bioroid install on R+D seems like a killer rush play.

>>48803114
Speaking of which I hope we get an operation or asset with a paid ability (that isn't clicks) that can put 1 card in archives to the top of RnD. Maybe 2 if it's costly enough.

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>>48804129
Maybe - Jackson's instant-speed is what takes him from useful to amazing, so I think we are likely to see it in at least one of his replacements, even if it's not quite Jackson levels of good

>>48803367

Given Rumor Mill, you'll probably have to make one of hose three a current first.

Also, Hades Shard Archive Interface right after you play the Power Shutdown to remove pieces of your combo (did that with my Kim deck against a CI deck once).

>>48807100

Eden Shard can be fun too. Never had the pleasure to do that one though.

>>48807143
>remember that time when I dropped Eden against CI and Sifted ftw
good times

So which of you numbnuts spoiled that there would be a core 2.0?

>>48809163

>implying anyone would actually believe that.

If there are plans for one, then FFG would have said so at GenCon.

>>48809163
Who said we needed one ? I'd rather see other big boxes than a core set 2.0 .

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>>48809163
Terrible.

As expected, Temujin is amazing, especially when you realise it stacks with literally everything, even siphon.
How do you deal with rich runners anrg?

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>>48809654
You kill them.

>>48809562
I'd rather a reimagined core instead of a replacement one, like in X-Wing.

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>>48809695
>You kill them.
The took all my money

>>48809801
Kill them for free.

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Hey, does inside job still trigger Tollbooth and the like, given you bypass the "encountered" ice?

>>48809901
If it's the runner's turn, then no, if its the corp's (An offer you can't refuse) then yes.

>>48809901
Only if it's during an Offer You Can't Refuse run.
If you have multiple effects with the same trigger, you resolve those belonging to the active player first in the order of their choosing - so inside job would resolve before any corp effects as long as it's the corp turn. By the time you go to check corp effects, Tollbooth is no longer being encountered, so the effect does not trigger or resolve.

>>48809944
As long as it's the runner's turn*

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>>48809941
>>48809944
Ah, thanks, I thought there was something for encounter effect, that's what it is

>>48809941
>>48809944
How would you be able to play Inside Job for An Offer You Cannot Refuse exactly? Or was it just a general answer for resolving effects?

>>48810238
Yeah, can't actually do that, just an example.

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>runner Apocalypses
>immediately dies to Scorch next turn
>mfw it's MAD all around
>this has happened several times

Still annoyed there's no full art of Scorched as far as I know

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>>48809972
>pleb tier Femme
Here you go, senpai.

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>>48811948
Sure it's pleb tier, but try finding that art anywhere - even reverse search doesn't have it

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>>48812183
Seeing as they're not the same artist, I'd say the one who did Red Tape did a pretty good job

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So, when are Shapers and Crims getting a new current?

I understand they want Anarch to be the current faction, bu 5 to 1 is starting to be a bit much...

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>>48810996
>Still annoyed there's no full art of Scorched as far as I know
But anon, there is

>>48815011
I like how Scorched Earth levels a building or two and does 4 meat damage, but just one rocket in BOOM! does 7.

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>>48758718

There are a suprisingly high number of good <5 Credit Bioriod ICE, particularly in a dedicated Bioriod deck.

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>>48758718

I put together a rough deck outline for this. I am not sure how good Architect would be, and it might not be necessary to have so many economy cards.

ICE (17)
1x Heimdall 1.0
2x Ichi 1.0
3x Eli 1.0 ***
1x Wotan
2x Architect **
2x Markus 1.0
2x Ravana 1.0
3x Fairchild 1.0

Agenda (9)
3x Accelerated Beta Test
3x Project Vitruvius
1x NAPD Contract *
2x Global Food Initiative **

Operation (15)
2x Biotic Labor
3x Successful Demonstration
2x Bioroid Efficiency Research
2x Enhanced Login Protocol
3x Lateral Growth
3x Hedge Fund

Asset (3)
3x Adonis Campaign

Upgrade (1)
1x Caprice Nisei ****

Do we have Blood Money's flavor insert scanned yet? (Or most of Mumbad cycle for that matter)

>>48815952
Whoever was taking care of that in ANCUR is taking a loooong break. Last insert is Democracy and Dogma.

>>48816406
>mfw when he quit when IG became a thing
can't blame him

>>48816406
And business first wasn't even uploaded either. Interestingly enough 23 seconds and Fear the Masses have been spotted on these threads...

>>48815011
I want the pic and muh Mills, not a full bleed card, though that is nice too

>>48815128
Just be aware that Enforcer's extra cost isn't waived.

>>48791150
So the runner just needs to run once in every 5 turns and this ID will be worse... yeah, so bad.

>>48760591
Don't forget Jak for the clickless run too.

>>48817457

Oh yeah, definitively. I wonder about Hyperdriver too - With the cloud base set up, you're not hurting for memory... or hell, if starting it from midgame for the kill, I even wonder about Akshara Sarreen, risky but betting on Sunny getting her worth off destroying R&D before the corp can score points doesn't seem like it would always be crazy.

Beth Kilrain-Chang opens interesting opportunities too - especially if the corp decides to sit on loads of cash to kill your self-trace plan.

The anarch extra click solutions might work too I guess.

>>48816905

Yea, I was just including it for completionist's sake.

It *could* be good though, if, for whatever reason, Domestic Sleepers is a card worth using in the deck.

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>>48761147

I doubt this would see any play at 0 cost.

At 1 cost like, I don't see *any* situation in which I wouldn't rather just pay 1 more credit to cause the runner to lose 1 click automatically every turn.

>>48818149

That's assuming the runner only wanted to run the server once per turn.

>>48818553
>>48818149

Not to mention, a runner wanting to full Keyhole explosive turn will laugh at ELP, but might not see that one more sub as kindly.

One thing I hadn't considered about Keung's console that can make things terribly messy in an Anarch way: its draw effect isn't optional. You *have* to draw those cards. Which can make you can burn through your stack ridiculously fast if going for a dual Medium.

>>48824164
Yeah, that's a point.
Also, it counts upgrades too, which you can't choose not to access, could be bad - things like Prisec or Virtual Tour become more annoying, and non-optional draw might mean you mill yourself a fair bit.

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I'm trying to make Builder of Nations work but i'm not quite sure how i'm supposed to play it.

This is what i've come up with for a basic "score behind gearchecks" 40 card deck, just using the ID ability to be annoying more than anything else.

Weyland Consortium: Builder of Nations

Agenda (9)
3x Firmware Updates
3x Oaktown Renovation
3x The Cleaners

Asset (13)
3x Jackson Howard ●●●
2x Melange Mining Corp.
3x PAD Campaign
3x PAD Factory ○○○○○ ○
2x Public Support

Upgrade (2)
2x Ash 2X3ZB9CY ●●●●

Operation (4)
3x Hedge Fund
1x Subliminal Messaging

Barrier (6)
2x Changeling
2x Fire Wall
2x Ice Wall

Code Gate (5)
1x Builder
2x Enigma
2x Wormhole

Sentry (5)
1x Archer
2x Cobra
1x Komainu ●●●●
1x Rototurret ●

12 influence spent (max 12, available 0)
18 agenda points (between 18 and 19)
44 cards (min 40)
Cards up to Blood Money

>>48825821
I like to think of Builder of Nations as supporting a "Thousand Cuts" playstyle for Weyland. Make your opponent run a lot, and make him suffer a little each time he runs. Public Sympathy behind an Ice Wall with a single advancement on it, and a PAD Campaign going behind that Ice Wall next turn makes for a hilarious image.

For that same reason, I think you ought to look at more advanceable Sentries. Shadow seems to become a lot better under BoN.

Question: are you more concerned about landing Firmware Updates, or using it to bait a run and open a scoring window for Cleaners?

>>48825821

The fact that the ID fires only once per turn conjoined with its deck size in Weyland makes me think about wanting rush, Operation-based (Shipment from Kaguya looks like a must to me), centered on centrals, low ICE count - Kill threat is your tool to stagger runs.

You're going in somewhat opposite direction with all the assets, I gather as a way to force runs and grind the runner down.

I just don't know. Ash (discounting Rumor Mill for now) isn't going to do anything for this ID it wouldn't allow to do more comfortably in another. Advancing all those cards is going to be click intensive.

I don't think I have anything of worth to say to help you right now given I haven't tested the ID (either playing it or against). But I do think if you're going for the grinding down. You're going to need more. Just compare with all the resources Jintelki has for that, and how hard it still is for them...

With Controlling the Message out now, anyone fees like Crash Space could be making a come back?

>>48830163
I've been running it with masanori and it's quite nice. So sad it's a ressource and dies to the Al-Seeing I

>>48830945

How does All seeing I even land? Tag flood hitting you? I mean, the whole point of having Crash Space is softening the blow of tagging in the first place.

>>48831355
Breaking News is a thing you know.

>>48818149

I mean nothing is stopping you from running both. Except maybe deck space.

>>48831355
>>48830945

Which reminds me, something I've been meaning to talk about for a few threads you see in the competition between Crash Space and Networking.

One needs you to protect your board state, the other means you need to avoid damage - or affiliated in the case of NBN SNOOP-like effects - at all costs if its your main tag-removal solution.

And that's something I've seen pop up more and more, a question to deal with at building stage. Which of those, if not even both do you want, and how to balance the two depending on what you expect to face.

Might just be me though.

>>48831417

Stupid question, self-evident answer. Stupid me. Not as if we didn't just have it added to the MWL because of how good it was.

>>48831425

Definitely. One does not invalidate the other, because neither is expected to play the exact same role really.

>>48831455

Well the main argument I've heard in favor of Networking is that it's a constant 1c: remove a tag, as many times as you can click for it which virtually blanks SYNC, though in matchups where you need the massive amounts of tag removal that Networking provides I think you're more worried about Salem's Hospitality than actual damage.

>>48831518

Well I was looking more at the fact that I one is a Current and the other is a Condition. You can literally play both of them together.

>>48831684

Sorry, probably didn't make sense - sleep-deprived right now.

It wasn't so much about Networking vs Crash Space, which was just an example, as much as board (and of course particularly resources) vs grip (with of course a big focus on events, though not necessarily limited - just imagine derezizng with Golden and then being hit by a House of Knives).

That's a thing I'm seeing take more and more importance recently at the deck building stage - resilience playing a role in the choice, and the position occupied by the card playing a significant role in the choice. Used to be that meta-dependent efficiency was the main if not sole reason for choosing a card.

Again, might just be me. But that's something I'm interested in discussing at least.