MTG Modern General

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Decklists:
>http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

Primers:
>http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern

TIERS ARE USAGE-BASED. A Tier 2 deck may be better than a Tier 1 deck in a specific Metagame.

>>48729193
I kind of want to build Dredge to go to GP Indy with. I'm going to watch the SCG Open and the Invitational in the next two weeks first, and see if there's any Dredge/Graveyard hate running around before I lock it in.

Also,
Anyone going to GP Indy? What are you playing? Any sweet tech?

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>>48729211
>Abzan Co T2
>My face as an Infect player

Tell me, how do you think Abzan Pod would perform in the current meta of modern? I feel like it would be a value deck similar to Jund.

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What cards in your opinion should be banned/unbanned?

I'd like to see pic related unbanned.

>>48729193
>>48729211
>Dredge is T1

RIP in peace Grave Troll. The first card to be banned, unbanned, then banned again.

>>48730573
Both and Jace the mind sculptor

>>48730573
All of them.

>24k points on pucatrade
>no one has sent me cards in almost a month because I don't pay pucashill to upgrade my account so I can give extra points to people for sending me cards

Life is suffering in a small town

>>48730531
A more consistent resto Kiki would result in a 24% of the top 8 just like before. What the fuck, son?

>>48730624
They will never send you staples
You better get an edh deck with those points

>>48730650
It's not just staples at this point. I have shit cards for tiny leaders, pauper, and edh and just because I'm not going to give more value than they're worth, no one will send me anything.

This shit is fucking retarded. I knew pucatrade was too good to be true.

>>48729211
>tfw skred pilot
Paradise

>>48729193
>>48729211
>RG Tron is Tier 2

ALL AROUND ME ARE FAMILIAR FACES

>>48730914
WE WAZ KANGZ!

>>48731241
TEFERI AND URZANG WUZ DA KANGZ

>>48730757
You can at least get a chance at a couple free cards.

>>48730624
literally sell your points online for 75% value, pucatrade is shit.

>>48730757
Yeah i tried it for a bit, but it really is a pyramid scheme. I consider myself luckt to get a couple of wurmcoils from there last year

>>48730590
I feel like Blooghast or Narcomoeba is more likely.

>>48729193
As an esperfag, i don't mind

>>48729211
Where the hell did Death's Shadow Zoo come from? I feel like I've never seen it anywhere before and then next thing I know last week it's everywhere.

>>48731973
Make it in top8 in somwhat big tournament -> Everyone buys the deck. It has been a thing for a quite a while. First time I saw it was little over year ago and it hasn't really changed that much in this time.

>>48731973
It made a big splash in the Oath PT

>>48730573
Just Stoneforge. BBE hitting anything in Jund is too good.
Also I feel like DRS can get an unban.

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>>48732007
>>48732154

>>48732220
that's a great analogy dude, you should become a professional debater, you clearly have logic in the bag

>>48732207
Get a load of this guy. He thinks BBE is worse for the format than best 1 drop creature ever printed.

Personally I wouldn't mind eve if most of the banlsit was lifted. There is a lot of cards of similiar powerlevel in the list that should be either left there or unbanned at the same time (Jace, BBE, stoneforge, splinter twin, dread return, summer bloom, green sun's zenith. chrome mox, punishing fire, ponder, seething song, sensei's divining top,)

Hell, I wouldn't even mind seeing cloudpost unbanned. Just print a good counterspell in the format and we are good to go.

>>48732288
Why is Green Sun's Zenith banned?

>>48732324
Because it's the best creature tutor in the game. Most utility creatures you want to see are green anyway.

>>48732220
Wut?

>>48732324
>On turn one, this can give the acceleration of a Llanowar Elves by getting a Dryad Arbor. On later turns, it can get a large creature or a one-of "toolbox" creature such as Gaddock Teeg. While this is interesting, it is also too efficient. If one intends to build a deck that has turn-one accelerants, Green Sun's Zenith is a great choice. If one wants to more access to utility green creatures, Green Sun's Zenith is a great choice. If one wants to more reliably get a large green creature, such as a Primeval Titan, onto the battlefield, Green Sun's Zenith is a great choice. However, this ends up with fewer different decks being played in practice, as Green Sun's Zenith is such a good choice that there are fewer green decks that do anything else. The DCI hopes that banning Green Sun's Zenith increases diversity among Modern green decks.

>>48732369
That's lame, creature toolbox is a great archetype

>>48732369
Traverse the ulvenwald

>>48732369
>However, this ends up with fewer different decks being played in practice

This shows why WotC logic is so flawed. They said same kind of shit when splitner twin was banned, as if it was the reason why other decks can't compete. GSZ allows a lot of different builds since it's so versatile. You can use it variety of different decks in variety of different ways. It also allows for playing extra 4 copies of single card, so you can build around one card with it around. This is seen in legacy with enchantress with argothian enchantress and Nic Fit with veteran explorer.

It's at Sorcery speed & only hits green creatures ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>48732437
traverse puts the card into your HAND, not the battlefield.

you can have cards that search your library and put them into your hand, and you can have cards that put things onto the battlefield, combining them BOTH is a problem. There is a reason why Tinker is banned in legacy.

>>48732680
Just so you know, there's basically no difference between Green Sun and Traverse when you have delirium. The only real difference is with Dryad Arbor.

>>48732680
It's X+G to get an X cost creature or G to get any creature then pay X to cast it. Unless your opponent is running creature specific counter spells for some reason it doesn't really matter. Having to turn on deliruim is the main difference.

>>48732680
It's the same thing. You have to pay for the creatures with gsz as well

>>48732715
Delirium is so easy to turn on. Run Tarfire or something as a two of if it's an issue

>>48732735
>Run a bad card so that your other cards are better
No that's not really how good deckbuilding works.

>>48732761
It's a fifth bolt. It's not going to ruin the precious deck. Jund does it all the time with that or seal of fire. For quite some time we've been powering delirium+ for goyf

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>>48732735
>go into multiple cards, colors and turns to mimic one of the weaker banned cards in modern

>>48732761
Well, it isn't issue as long as those 2 bad cards combined wins the game. But when you play 2 bad cards to play mediocre effect.... We have a problem.

Or can anyone say Splinter twin or Deceiver exarch is good alone?

>>48732715
Traverse gives your opponent info, though. If you have countermagic up and you see your opponent cast GSZ for 4, you don't know what it is until its too late, you have to counter it "blind". With traverse, you both see what creature it is, then as it is cast, the option is there to decide whether the creature is worth countering or not. GSZ doesn't give you that info.

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Unban Green Sun's Zenith!!

>>48733151
It's not completely retarded idea as long as whole bunch of those cards are unbanned as well.

>>48732252
Literally what even?

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Glad Zooicide has reached Tier 1.
I believe it strongly rivals Infect and in most cases comes out slightly ahead.

Tips? - Destroy me /tg/

4 Path to Exile
4 Windbrisk Heights
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Bitterblossom
4 Raise the Alarm
3 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
4 Spectral Procession
4 Lingering Souls
2 Zealous Persecution
4 Intangible Virtue
3 Promise of Bunrei
4 Godless Shrine
4 Marsh Flats
1 Isolated Chapel
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
4 Plains
3 Swamp
4 Go for the Throat
SB: 2 Zealous Persecution
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Stony Silence
SB: 2 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Disenchant
SB: 1 Dismember
SB: 1 Day of Judgment

>>48733341
Always run 6 copies of Thoughtseize. And 4 Scullers.

>>48733341
Some suggestions are:
Kataki in the side for affinity
An Anguished Unmaking mainboard for planeswalkers
Get rid of Windbrisk Heights since your curve is so low
Throw in a Ghost Quarter, Vault of the Archangel, and a couple Isolated Chapels to make up for it

>>48733341
looks like a standards tokens deck. Tokens get a new card to play with in Westvale Abbey. Give it a try.

>>48733341
Get rid of Promise of Bunrei. Its not as good as you'd think. Drop a Sorin and add 2 Gideon or Elspeth, Knight-Errant. You don't really need more than 1 Swamp since the deck wants to have hand disruption T1 and Spectral T3 and that's very achievable with the fetches/shocks. Speaking of, you should run 4 Inquisition and please drop the Go for the Throats and add in a single of Murderous Cut and maybe a Smother or Dismember instead

>>48733341
>>48733428
Additionally Timely Reinforcements can be very good when you aren't beatdown

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Would modern be more balanced if mox opal, tarmogoyf, snap caster mage, lightning bolt, thoughtsieze, and path to exile were replaced with cards like these?

>>48733692
Probably not. Also you worded thought steal like it was a replacement effect without the instead.

Hey Deck advice, modifying my deck and I'm trying to pick between some cards.

The deck is Golgari, big emphasis on Scavenge, every creature has scavenge except Corpsejack Menace.

Problem: i just got Vulturous Zombie 5 mana, 3/3 flying, and gets +1 when an opponent creature dies. benefits is it has flying and grows.

Im wondering wether i should put it in my deck instead of Deadbridge Goliath, 4 mana, 5/5 with scavenge for 6 mana.

Its only ever existed as a cheap blocker to die so i can scavenge him onto something with double counters, suicide bomber with good stats.

So which should i take?

>>48734110
Since I'm here might as well ask this

Increasing savagery 4mana, target creature gets 5 +1/+1 Counters, flashback for 7 mana and 10 +1/+1 Counters.

OR

Curse of Predation - Enchantment: Enchant player, whenever a creature attacks enchanted player put a +1/+1 counter on it.

1. is great for buffing a single creaure, especially if i have a corpsejack menace out, but only buffs a single creature and its easy to cast murder (safe from doom blade cause black/green creatures)

2. however this one has more long term investment, and buffs any number of creatures i make attack, but only +1/+1 per turn

Basic Lands or lands that come out tapped and give one of two mana /tg/?

>>48734262
Go for shocks pain lands or fast lands

>>48734212

Which top tier deck has the easiest to build "budget" version that I can slowly upgrade towards.

And do I really need fetches to be truly competitive? Would I be fine at my LGS without them?

>>48734290
Why did you address me?

maybe someone else can help, honest, I'm of no use to you, i play casual as shit

>>48730573
Stoneforge and Deathrite.
Let me play Deathblade in Modern, Jitte is the most powerful card in the deck and it's still banned anyway.

>>48730624
I had $800 worth of points for 11 months without a single bite (wanted shocklands, fetches and lillys) until I accepted an MP german Scrubland.

>>48733692
Bolt is perfectly balanced and didn't need to be changed.

>>48734290
Delver is pretty easy to get started and to upgrade over time, so I'd say start there if you like that kind of deck.

The thing about fetch lands is that they make multi-color decks much less of a pain to build and they provide the essential mana fixing you'll need to make your deck a well-functioning machine. If you don't include fetches, you leave your mana available up to chance.

>>48734290
Personally would say goblin without guides, but red burn is probably not too bad either, which can be upgraded slowly to naya. And yes, in monocolor decks fetches are a must. Without them you are building inferior manabase so you might as well buy proper cards.

>>48729720
I honestly see Infect and Dredge being the decks to beat in the coming months.

Boardwipes are going to find their way into more sideboards. But dredge needs specific hate.

>>48732706
Yes there is

Traverse puts the creature into your hand,

Green sun's puts it directly onto the battlefield

>>48734290
Mono red burn is the most efficient for its budget.

>>48734540
I think he's somehow ignoring it's an instant.

>>48734626
What are you talking about?

>tfw I knew dredge was good like a month ago.
>told people at my lgs its broken and is gonna be tier 1 soon.
>They all make fun of me "lol if you want to waste your money sure"
>4-0 my last FNM
>tier list comes out
>"sweet deck anon whats your list, do you have 3 extra grave trolls?"

I tried to warn them, but now its far too late.

>>48734540
Both are good. One is better for goyf, the other is useful for say, elves... or tooth and nail.

>>48735175
There's never a reason to run Traverse over GSZ.

>>48735156
I disagree on it being broken. Dredge still folds to same hate cards as ever, but the difference in modern compared to legacy is the fact DRS is not legal.... Which makes it's 1st game so much better. Soooooo..... Unban DRS hype and while you are at it, unban everything else that's not supposed to be there.

>>48735192
I too think jund should be the only playable deck in modern

>>48735210
Poe's law is strong in here.

>>48734110
>>48734212

Its me, just wanna try and get this looked at, anyone?

>>48735187
You've clearly never run temur delver

>>48735255
make a casual thread, this is modern general.

>>48735255
Dude fuck off.

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>>48729193
>Dredge is now Tier 1
Day of the rope now?

>>48733692

>shock that lets your opponent draw a card.

Fuck off.

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>>48734481
> in monocolor decks fetches are a must

I can see it being a case in mono red burn, but outside of it... What are you smoking mate?

>>48735385

unban dread return

>>48733286

Is it cheap?

>>48735540
I'm willing to give that guy the benefit of the doubt and assume autocorrect changed multi into mono. Or he could be an idiot that thinks the minuscule advantage of deck thinning and interactions with cards like mishra's bauble outweighs the life loss.

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>>48735540
Fuck can't unsee. I even read it in his voice.

>>48729211
>Dredge is Tier 1
>Suicide Zoo is Tier 1

At Pro Tour Oath, the coverage team shit themselves an gushed over Suicide Zoo because it was something new and interesting that wasn't Eldrazi.

Can you imagine those fat cucks trying to talk about Dredge with sheer terror in their eyes? Just the raw fear of being knifed by Maro for mentioning Dredge on stream would be golden.

"And it's amazing, we have a brand new aggro deck to show off so players can turn creatures sideways in Fair: the Format! And it's based on.... uhh.... the Dredge mechanic....?"

>>48732207
>BBE cascading is too much value
>Unban DRS
Bruh.

>>48733341
build merfolk or elves instead. same strategy and price, but you'll do 10 times better
>>48733430
>Tokens get a new card to play with in Westvale Abbey
no...

>>48735869
>"And it's amazing, we have a brand new aggro deck to show off so players can turn creatures sideways

Much likely they would list "dredge" as a combo deck.

So what does Mardu need. I'm getting pretty good results online and within my playgroup. It's honestly not a bad deck with pretty decent match ups.

How the hell did this happen. Format is full of ridiculous synergy decks that fold by hate cards and somehow all those the most powerful hate cards are white. Kor firewalker, RiP, stony silence, Ethersworn canoni.... well something like it. So many cards that won't allow certain decks to play.

>>48736781
and its tier 1
just like esper

>>48736909
White is the only color that doesn't get anything good to do themselves, so they get to hose everything

>>48736781
>So what does Mardu need
Tarmogoyf and Scavenging Ooze.

>>48735603
Looks to be in the $3-400 range from what I can tell

>>48736781
it doesn't need anything. it's already dominating the metagame, together with esper draw go

>dredge tier 1
>i've now got a reason to play junk over jund
fug yes

Ninja Guy from Last Thread. Looking for more tips. Still trying to keep it cheap (Which is why Ghost Quarter is my only non-Island land) but I let loose a bit more. Sideboard is just there to deal with deck types I assume would really give me a hard time.

Mainboard

Enablers
x2 Ornitopther
x2 Zephyr Sprite
x4 Fairy Miscreant

Ninjas
x2 Higure the Still Wind
x4 Ninja of the Deep Hours
x4 Mistblade Shinobi

Ninja Tools
x1 Ronin Warclub
x1 Viridian Claw

Utility Creatures
x4 Spell Stutter Sprite

Instants
x4 Vapor Snag
x2 Negate
x4 Familiar's Ruse
x2 Spell Pierce

Sorceries
x2 Distortion Strike

Lands
x20 Islands
x2 Ghost Quarter

Sideboard
x1 Dispel
x2 Ormod's Crypt
x2 Hurkyl's Recall
x1 Echoing Truth
x2 Pongify
x2 Rachet Bomb
x2 Annul
x1 Scion of Oona
x2 Aetherize

>>48737300
wrong thread

>>48737313
This is for modern isn't it not?

>>48737300
I have no advice, but my friend used to use that infect instant to make the ninja getting in much scarier.

>>48737331
yeah it's the modern competitive general

>>48737331

competitive discussion, so please stay away.

>>48729211
>Dnt
>tier 2

What the fuck is going on? Did they print a new card for it?

>>48737354
New thalia is played in some lists

>>48734486
Dredge is easy to beat senpai. You just run Rest in Peace and Path to Exile.

>>48736781
It doesn't really need anything except being played more. Bolt Path and Thoughtseize in the same deck. Like, that's literally insanely powerful.

>>48737354
Modern DnT has been a thing for a while.

>>48737629
It's been shit forever because you 1) don't have protactive weenies like Stoneforge Mystic that can ram a Batterskull up your opponent's ass so are stuck relying on shit like Thalia who does nothing in lots of matchups, and 2) you have no way of bullying your opponent's mana base by leveraging the consistency of your own. Legacy D&T runs Wasteland, Port, Karakas. What does Modern get? Ghost Quarter? Tec Edge?

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Is she good enough for Modern?

>>48737660
Well the players must have figured something out because it has 5-0 leagues this past month. The only new card I see is gideon AoZ.

>>48735297
>>48735351
Someone asking for help has to create a whole new thread and is told to fuck off, this is why magic players are a bunch of faggots

>>48737694
If nahiri gets the axe then maybe it'll see play in uwr.

>>48737694
No

>>48737798
There isn't a single D&T on mtgtop8. There's Hatebears and Eldrazi & Taxes.

Does anyone even like the eldrazi?

>>48737855
While Nahiri is a retarded card, it's not getting banned soon. Become Immense is a better bet and it's not an emergency.

>>48737116
>Abzan memeries vs natsoc.dek

Who here /ready for memes/?

>>48737876
Dnt is listed as hatebears. Erronrelentless or whatever is using mono white.

>>48737887
Nope. They're an emotionless, unthinking enemy that seems to exist only to destroy. Then right at the end, Wizards wants to retcon the entire thing and inject some creation bullshit when absolutely nothing that any Eldrazi has done prior to this has hinted at it. Back Zendikar, Emrakul was just the bitch queen of destroying shit. Gideon even had a run-in with her, and couldn't come up with a single idea for how to face something like that. Note that in this initial meeting, not one character mentioned growing tentacles or turning mad.

Thoughts on fortune's favor? Had a jeskai opponent using it and it seemed pretty good.

>>48737993
I'd much rather run Think Twice.

>>48737300
Honestly go play pauper, mono blue delver in that format plays ninja of the deep hours and a lot of the same enablers that you have here

budget replacement for thoughtseize? Don't feel like buying into it

>>48738043
Inquisition of Kozilek ;^)

If it's any consolation, Thoughtseize is guaranteed to never go down in value

>>48738043
Duress

>>48738043
Duress and Despise. Despise is likely the better option since creatures are a bigger threat than noncreatures in Magic the Zookeeping.

2 Plains
2 Forest
2 Island
3 Hallowed Fountain
3 Temple Garden
1 Breeding Pool
1 Sunpetal Grove
1 Glacial Fortress
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Windswept Heath
2 Flooded Strand
1 Lumbering Falls
----
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Selfless Spirit
4 Voice of Resurgence
3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
3 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Rafiq of the Many
2 Birds of Paradise
----
2 Detention Sphere
2 Cyclonic Rift
3 Voidslime
4 Banishing Light
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
2 Tamiyo, Field Researcher

Feedback?

>>48737876
Eldrazi & Taxes is a variant of D&T

>>48738173
Does new Tamiyo pull her weight in modern?

So, Grae-troll is 50 bucks now?

>>48738223
She's aight, not obnoxious but she does her job if you build around her

>>48738223
I'm glad whenever I draw her. She draws me cards and she deactivates threats. Her +1 used against opposing creatures can also stop them from attacking because they don't want you drawing cards.
I like her a lot.

>>48738236
no. where the fuck did you get that? you're on the internet, you can look up the price right now

>>48738215
Well duh, so is Hatebears. Mono W is weak, it needs another colour in Modern.

>>48738173
You need some Mystic Snakes, son.

>>48738349
Why not Spell Queller?

>>48738324
Mono white is the main reason it's in teir 2. Mono color can run more ghost quarters,tec edges and mutavault.

>>48735603
It was until baubal spiked to about $30-40

>>48729193
>>48729211
The best part is that Tron gets annihilated by this metagame. Sure, the most played deck is Jund at like 10%, but that's not nearly enough to justify those atrocious linear matchups.

Get fucked, Karn.

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>>48738484

>>48732324
Anything letting you pick stuff from your library to put on the battlefield facilitates toolbox decks. That's why Pod was banned. Even Eldritch Evolution is a bit suspicious but is a bit too slow to be broken, but I'm sure someone will try.

>>48738629
>9 months from now a temur combo deck is chaining goblin electromancers with flash to main turn ulamog with haste or some shit with a kaladesh card

>>48738629
>Even Eldritch Evolution is a bit suspicious but is a bit too slow to be broken
I like that they at least print new stuff like Evolution and Traverse when they ban old toolbox cards. I'm definitly going to make an Eldritch Evolution deck, but I doubt the card is strong enough to warrant a ban. It will need some shit like an Eternal Witness that brings it back from exile.

>>48738672
I tried to build a deck with Mirrorpool to double the fun with Evolution but it's just not there yet. Ideally I want to turn a Matter Reshaper into two Reality Smashers and get a freebie off the Reshaper.

>>48738729
I'm thinking of just going with a value Abzan deck. Voice, Finks and maybe Blade Splicer are good to sac into value creatures. I'll probably add Thune + Spike Feeder as one offs as well.

>>48738236
Sure it is, you can get 4 from me. Hell, I will give you a discount price for 190$.

>>48735385
We must secure a future for Dread Return and an existence for graveyards everywhere

>Actually tried to make it 14 words

>>48738795
come get me when manaless dredge is a thing in mondern. Then I know the format is ready for the master race

>>48738795
>it's 14 words

We must secure a future for combo players and the future of our archetype.

>tfw most of memedern dredge just need decays, loam and conflagrate

>>48738770
I've seen a few value decks that were running kiki jiki just to copy other creatures for Enter/leave the battlefield effects. They weren't very good though.

Is dredge a flavor of the month deck, or does it have longevity?

>>48729193
>Infect is king of the meta

>>48739234
It's more resilient than it used to be since Prized Amalgam was printed, but it's still a FotM.

>>48739234
with as much grave hate as there is in modern (nobody had a reason to really side it in before), even if it has longevity it won't be tier 1. Hell the much more powerful Legacy version isn't tier 1

>>48735187
Searching for a non green card perhaps?

>>48738770
I have a ""casual"" junk rites deck with Fauna Shamans & Iona/Elesh. It's pretty fun desu, sometimes stick the win with Lingering Souls + Gavony, sometimes drop Siege Rhinos & blink with Resto

Reminder that it's been about 5 years since Wizards printed a card that handed out -1/-1 counters.

Grixis delver newbie back again. I have one open "one of" instant/sorcery spot in my maindecklist and need some advice. Im strongly considering a singleton arc trail, but i never see the card used anywhere.

>>48740010
Use Lightning Bolt.

OH WAIT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR LIST IS

>>48740010
post lsit

>>48740010
Pillar of Flame, Electrolyze, K Command, Cryptic Command, Dreadbore

>>48740010
Fog

>>48740010
Izzit charm

>>48740010
Kolaghan's command

>>48740010
Treasure Cruise. It's only a one of so you might not draw it all FNM. Then you can reveal it when you go 5-0 and blow people's minds.

>>48740035
Ya that might help.

Land: 19

4x polluted delta
4x bloodstained mire
2x steam vents
1x blood crypt
1x watery grave
1x wandering fumerole
2x island
2x mountain
1x swamp
1x darkslick shores

Creatures: 13

2x snapcaster mage
2x young pyromancer
4x delver of secrets
2x tasigur the golden fang
1x gurmag angler
1x bedlam reveler
1x kalitas, traitor of ghet

Instants N sorceries: 28

4x mana leak
2x remand
2x spell snare
4x serum visions
1x vapor snag
4x thought scour
1x kolaghans command
1x dreadbore
3x terminate
4x lightning bolt
1x electrolyze
1x ????

The yp will be swapped for snaps. The extra mountain will be a scalding tarn.

Sideboard is a mess atm.

>>48740186
Drop the Young Pyros and the Reveler, add 3 Anglers and another Kommand.

>>48739286
And again. Modern dredge has stronger game 1 in modern than legacy dredge has in legacy. This is entirely, because there is no DRS in modern. But yeah, it still folds to same hates, but it's not like other modern decks have their silver bullets, am I rite?

Say you swing with the lord of riots, get through, and then dark petition with spell mastery.

What is the best creature in modern you could put on the field with BBB? Assuming LoR is hitting hard enough to sufficiently reduce the colorless cost to 0.

>>48740296
Wurmcoil Engine? I mean Tron runs it for a reason. Maybe Grave Titan. Or Void Winnower.

>>48740296
well you would be able to cast something for 3 mana that would normally cost 9 so... a lot. though thats a pretty horrible plan

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>>48737354
>>48737455
>>48737660
>>48737798
>>48737876
This is the list
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13119&d=276758&f=MO

And pic related is the card

>>48740379
I know it's far from reliable, but theoretically it allows for you to pull a massive creature out of nowhere and depending on what you can drop for an effective 9ish mana it might be worth keeping a silver bullet or two around. I imagine in any situation you did more than 6 damage with LoR you're already so far out ahead the game is in the bag, but it is possible to have a method for summoning emrakul so long as I have a dark petition in hand.

>>48740321
Wurmcoil seems like a very strong choice since even trample damage would likely allow it to get in unharmed, and yeah I guess some of the eldrazi options are actually worth looking into.

>>48740452
There are much easier ways to cheat fatties on to play

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>>48740452
>silver bullet

>>48740491
Easier yes, but I'm just looking for ways to exploit LoR to his fullest. In an ideal world he could hit the board turn 3 and then swing 4 and even without petition in hand it could mean dumping a 6 colorless mana creature for free, dark petition just allows a little more flexibility.

>>48740494
What else do you call one of cards that you primarily tutor for?

So I've been working on this decklist for quite some time and I'm looking for ideas to bump it up just that little bit more. Not looking to make this meme a T1 deck, but T2-3 would not be so bad. Any ideas?

http://www.mtgvault.com/phobes365/decks/modern-lovecraft/

>>48740538
nothing special. silver bullets are cards that hose one very specific deck, but is no good against other. LIke how werewolves are weak to silver bullets, but the bullets aren't good for anything else

>>48740538
tutor targets

>>48740538
You want to exploit a 6/6 flampler for 4? Nigger that's a fucking amazing beatstick. The problem with him in constructed was never a lack of fat bastards to cast off him, it was getting him on the board consistently in the first place.

>>48740599
Everyone could go shove their tiers up in the ass. It doesn't mean what you think it means and the way you think it's defined is illogical, stupid and moronic.

Also fuck your deck.

>>48737660

Ghost quarter + leonin arbiter is no joke

>>48740669
seconded. Tier means how much it's played, nothing else

>>48740669
Show me where the spike touched you, anon.

Making adjustments to a recently finished Jeskai Harbinger deck of mine that I'm gonna play side events at in a GP.
Need some help deciding whether to have 3 Ancestral Visions mainboard or not. Got a gut feeling that they are going to fuck me over when I go against decks like Affinity, Infect, Burn or other linear aggo, but at the same time it's so good against fair/grindy match ups.

What do?

>>48740701
jesus christ, you're post hurts me. He was a spike telling some casual fuck to learn the meaning behind the vocabulary the casual fuck was saying, while also telling the casual fuck to fuck off with that casual shit.

fuck people need to learn the jargon before they toss it around like fucking retards

>>48740669
OY vey. MaRo and PT would like a word with you goy

>>48740599

If you don't understand what tiers mean you can't probably make a good deck as you're really inexperienced at this game.

>>48740321
Wurmcoil is run in Tron because of it gets destroyed you get two 3/3 Wurm tokens, one with Deathtouch and one with lifelink. A turn 3 Wurmcoil is nothing to fart at.

>>48739286
Decks in legacy are much more powerful in proportion to Legacy dredge than the decks in modern are in proportion to the modern version. That combined with the fact that Legacy is blue centric and has access to the best cantrips in all of Magic means finding your grave hate is so much more easier than in modern, and a lot of decks in legacy happen to run incidental grave hate mainboard in the form of DRS. Modern lacks all of this. So there's actually a good chance that Dredge could do well in Modern.

>>48740599
I for one think kraken decks are fun. I don't have any suggestions, but I don't see how you don't just fold to enchantment removal. Also aggro decks probably fuck you up.

>>48740786
no, no there isn't. all the grave hate that is available in legacy is available for modern. just jam 4x any grave hate in the side, and boom, good luck casting that troll. it's also pretty obvious you don't know why dredge is so powerful in legacy. wihtout consistent ichorid /nether shadow beats it is way to easy to hate out. shit most people were running grave hate for living end anyway

plus if dredge gets too uppity they'll just ban GGT again

>>48740852
>all the grave hate that is available in legacy is available for modern
Apart from Deathrite Shaman, probably the most powerful one of all.

>>48740852
>good luck casting that troll

When the fuck have you EVER casted troll?

>>48740803
Thanks for actually giving advice. Aggro surprisingly doesn't do incredibly well against the deck as is. The birds are fairly consistent chumps and the spellskites have some pretty fat asses, so unless it's a fish deck or some other evasion-heavy deck it does alright. Enchantment removal is an issue, hence the spellskites and judge's familiars, but I'm trying to keep the creature count high enough for a consistent turn 5. That's my real issue.

I'm wondering if there are any proliferate effects worth including to lower the kill turn or creature-based protections for quest that can keep it going, but so far I haven't seen anything really worth it.

>>48740930
i can play around a deathrite shaman. a Rip, Leyline, Cage, or Relic is fucking backbreaking (though still not unbeatable)

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>>48740947
Never in legacy, but i have no clue in modern. cause ya'know, no dread return

>>48740852
>all the grave hate that is available in legacy is available for modern.
Yes, but the means of finding them are nonexistent. In legacy you can afford to run a few copies of grave hate and just find them through cantrips. it's not the same.

>just jam 4x any grave hate in the side
Sure, you could do that but it's not free: you lose percentage points in other matchups. And if they are packing that much hate, then that's just something you'll have to accept.

> it's also pretty obvious you don't know why dredge is so powerful in legacy.
I played dredge in legacy so I do know why dredge is powerful. Also,

>why dredge is so powerful in legacy
No. It has a really good game 1 percentage, but it's not anywhere near as powerful as compared to what the rest of the format is doing. The deck is actually rather fair.

I'm not saying the deck is immune to hate, but the idea that the deck is bad because grave hate exists is questionable.

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>>48741039
>means of finding them are nonexistent

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>>48741039
>I played dredge in legacy so I do know why dredge is powerful.

yeah man gotta watch out for those DRS amirite?

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>>48741039
>The deck is actually rather fair.

>>48741039
Yes, but the means of finding them are nonexistent. In legacy you can afford to run a few copies of grave hate and just find them through cantrips. it's not the same.


Wanna know what the legacy plan to deal with dredge is? mulligan till you get the hate cause you sided in enough grave hate to do that

>Sure, you could do that but it's not free: you lose percentage points in other matchups. And if they are packing that much hate, then that's just something you'll have to accept.

that's why it's called a fucking sideboard

>I played dredge in legacy so I do know why dredge is powerful. Also,

i'm really not getting that vibe because...

>No. It has a really good game 1 percentage, but it's not anywhere near as powerful as compared to what the rest of the format is doing. The deck is actually rather fair.

... while dredge does have a much better G1 MU then G2 or G3, it is very much known as on of the most broken and unfair archetypes in the entire game. Not just format. Of Magic. It is completely degenerate and I drink every eldrazi players tears because of it

>>48737887
I like their art and ingest/exile shenanigans are fun.

>>48737887
i like the art and flavour, and wanna build an edh deck out of them. I dont have a hate boner for them like the rest og /tg/ seems to have

>>48737887
They used to be cool. Then the bfz block attacked.

>>48741039

>the deck is fair
>one version plays without lands entirely
>requires every deck to sideboard hate or it loses

The only time Dredge is fair is when it's Vintage, since it's one of the Top 5. And that's why I love it.

>>48737887
I do. Ulamog and Kozilek were gud boys dey dindu nuffin wrong

>>48741109
In modern, yes. There's no good cantrips. You just have to mull in order to find it. Or until you draw it.
>>48741132
I don't havs a problem with a DRS, though I have lost games to it before.

>>48741154
>The deck is actually rather fair.
I should've specified to prevent all of this. I meant compared to other combo decks. Alot of decks can race it.

>>48741209
>Wanna know what the legacy plan to deal with dredge is? mulligan till you get the hate cause you sided in enough grave hate to do that
Sure, that's the primary plan. But the fact that you can also cantrip to find your grave hate further increases your chance of finding it.

>that's why it's called a fucking sideboard
No shit?

>it is very much known as on of the most broken and unfair archetypes in the entire game.
Yeah, but the thing is, other decks are doing more broken and unfair shit than what dredge is doing right now, both in Legacy and in Vintage. And while it's true that most decks simply can't beat dredge without some form of hate, there's still tons of decks than can simply race them.

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hey m/tg/ ratemy bogles deck. this is what i take to fnm and usualy go 3-1 if not 4-0 wiht it. I take out the armidillo cloaks for another ethereal and 3 coronets ( i change it so my scrubs friends don't get stomped heh)

>>48741421
This is so suboptimal you should be ashamed to be posting it.

>>48741417
>Sure, that's the primary plan. But the fact that you can also cantrip to find your grave hate further increases your chance of finding it.

godd lucking finding it with one cantrip cause dredge goes off on turn 2

>Yeah, but the thing is, other decks are doing more broken and unfair shit than what dredge is doing right now, both in Legacy and in Vintage. And while it's true that most decks simply can't beat dredge without some form of hate, there's still tons of decks than can simply race them.

name one archetype that warps the meta as hard as dredge. merely by existing it force players to devote at least 4 sideboard slots to beat it. and tha'ts in eternal formats where dredge is much stronger. Dredge is enjoying it's time in the sun right now in modern, but give it two weeks. it'll be hated down to tier 2 or 3. Or fucking banned again

>>48741448
fuck off, it oculd beat any deck that you have

>>48741516

That deck couldn't even beat itself

>>48741516
I run 4 Thoughtseize, 2 Inquisition, 3 Lilly, and 1 Crackling Doom. Nigger you literally could not beat me you don't even have a Dryad Arbor to protect you.

>>48741502

>godd lucking finding it with one cantrip cause dredge goes off on turn 2
They certainly have a higher chance of finding it with cantrips.

>name one archetype that warps the meta as hard as dredge.
>warped
ftfy. Also, probably Miracles atm, though that may have to do with the amount of play it sees as opposed to its power level.

>merely by existing it force players to devote at least 4 sideboard slots to beat it.
If you mean right now, show me some current lists running 4 sb slots for dredge.

>>48741421
>>48741516
How does that deck beat ad nauseam?

Anyone for a cockatrice game?

>>48741154
>>48741386
Hello schlomo!
Gas chambers soon!

>>48741746
>LE DREDGE NAZI MAYMAY XDDD

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>>48741421

Fuck off retard. Why don't you post your shitty superfriends deck.

>>48741770
Hi Mark, gonna ban troll again kike?

>>48741726
id?

>>48742022
made a room, Dank meme password modern

>>48742069
i'll join in a few min

>>48741817

That had better be Opera 12

>>48741770
The holocaust never happened
But it should have
Brace yourself kike, the Day of the Dredge is soon

>>48742069
i don't see it

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Get a load of this.

Liliana is a control card, what else can it be?

>>48741817
why? every time i do you guys tell me to fuck off

>post modern deck
>get bitched at to leave modern thread

you guys are a bunch of tryhard faglords

>>48742399
Lets not do this again

>>48742386
You registered and at wooger?

>>48742399
it's obviously and aggro-combo card that belongs in dredge just like tarmogoyf

>>48730573
Preordain, it was banned to nerf storm which is no longer a t1 deck so it should help to make control a bit better and won't break anything open.

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Bedlam Reveler in Burn, thoughts?
I figure if you're going to do it, it's obviously not good alongside Lavamancer, so that seems like the slot it would take over.

does Thermo-Alchemist have any place in budget mono-red Burn?

>>48740185
Treasure Cruise is banned senpai

>>48743089
Wolfenstein.Jpg

>>48743033
I've been testing it. It's been good in Grindy match ups or match ups where you play control, but really bad for racing. Grim Lavamancer was good when you played control and was good against grindy decks but only if it lived(which he never does) so he's in the sideboard now. I like Bedlam as a 1 of, he hoses Jund

>>48733692
>not calling it fauxpal
scrub

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It would cost me about $50 to buy everything I'm missing for Dredge. Think it's a good time to get in on it?

>>48744092

I mean $50 to try a t2 deck is a good deal

You're not out much if you end up not liking it

So I'm running nays bushwhacker zoo and at my local shop there are a few merfolk decks I'm having trouble with, wondering what would be some good cards to side in for that matchup

>>48744112
>t2
Dredge is moving up in the world >>48729211

>All of these Dredge bandwagoners

Boy, I can't wait to riggity RiP some motherfuckers in Syracuse.

>almost spent 500 last night on a whim to jump into modern
>backed out before confirming my order

what a rush

>>48744221
Choke. Ghostly prison. Ratchet bomb or EE

>>48741421
Why don't you just stop? You contribute nothing to any thread nor are you even remotely entertaining with le ebin shitdeck images.

Examine your life.

>>48744334
What were you about to buy?

>>48744331
>Boy, I can't wait to riggity RiP some motherfuckers in Syracuse.
Can't wait to blast right through you in Syracuse. Cage is better btw.

[Spoiler]although I won't be playing dredge [/spoiler]

>>48744482
Goddamn android fucking up my tags

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>>48744416
Incoming Tarfire for poorfags

>>48744331
I wouldn't bother buying into it if I hadn't got 90% of it ages ago to try (and fail) Dredgevine. It'll be nice to get some use out of some of that broken dream.

>>48744516
That looks like a pretty standard Temur Delver list.

>>48730573
I wish chain lightning was unbanned

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>>48744112
Well, for better or worse, I've put in the orders.

>>48744516
This deck looks so fun. Too bad I'll likely never have tarmogoyf

>>48744331
What are you playing

>>48741386
>Dredge is fair in Vintage
>90% winrate in Game 1

Get out Himmler, you're drunk.

>>48744516
This nigga has great taste in card art. Why are we forcing this tarfire meme though?

>>48745485
It acts as Bolt #5 and makes Tarmogoyf bigger. Some versions of that deck would run Curiosity as an extra "cantrip" for the same reason.

>>48738125
That was my logic at first, but eventually I personally found duress to be more effective simply because it has more targets

>>48745610
I understand it's uses. It's just this isn't the first time I've seen this deck posted with the lol Tarfire clause

Threads dead

Post your favourite

Walker
Creature
Instant/sorcery

Let's keep this modern legal so no terravore even though he's dank.

>>48746251
Gideon Jura
Geist of Saint Traft
Voidslime

>>48746251
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Restoration Angel
Cryptic Command

>>48746251
Koth of the hammer
Tarmogoyf
Lightning bolt

Can someone explain to me the difference between a combo deck, and a deck with a combo engine? I have read articles where people will say something along the lines as Elves is a Aggro with a combo engine, or Affinity is Aggro with a combo engine, but Twin Exarch was a legit combo deck.

>>48746251
Elspeth, Knight Errant
Restoration Angel
Genesis Wave

>>48747037
Combo engine is just another way of describing powerful synergy. True combos like Twin will win the game on the spot.

>>48746251
Garruk Wildspeaker
Polukranos
Grasp of Darkness

>>48747096
So would Elves and Storm be combo decks or decks with combo engines, since they CAN win the match on the spot, but can fizzle out?

>>48746251
>Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
>Tasigur
>Cryptic Command

>>48746251
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
Siege Rhino
Collected Company

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Can you help me build a casual Naya deck running pic related?

>>48747386
>>>/edh/

honestly, this isn't derogatory, that's the place to go

>>48747386
Make it 4 colors
Scute mob
Bloodhall Ooze
Corpsejack Menace

>>48746251
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Tarmogoyf
Tribal Flames

>>48747386
It would be a weird as fuck deck for sure

I think the best way to make it (it would still likely be a terrible deck mind you) would be to ramp slightly with heirarch or whatever, dump some cards in the grave via thoughtscour or something play a reasonably sized creature. Play this enchantment. Then on your upkeep double become immense on one creature and maybe a mutagenic growth to win.

That's my best idea

>>48747400
I know but I don't play EDH. I only play Modern and my gf wanted to get into Magic and she really liked this card and asked me to build a deck for her. So far I played with the thought

Some cards I've been pondering so far include:


Mayael's Aria
Collected Company
Wild Nacatl
Birds of Paradise
Woolly Thoctar
Lightning Bolt
Advent of the Wurm
Atarka's Command
Dromoka's Command
Fleecemane Lion
Kitchen Finks
Loxodon Smiter
Unflinching Courage
Voice of Resurgence
Watchwolf
Arlinn Kord
Bloodbraid Elf
Huntmaster of the Fells
Ulrich of the Krallenhorde
Rancor
Avatar of the Resolute
Awakening Zone
Bow of Nylea
Increasing Savagery
Kalonian Hydra
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
Primordial Hydra
Scute Mob
Thragtusk
Thrun, the Last Troll
Woodland Wanderer
Goblin Guide
Path to Exile
Lightning Helix
Eternal Witness
Archangel of Thune
Qasali Pridemage

Just a bunch of cards but nothing concrete.

Whats a deck that plays like ad nauseam? Preferably one that is tier 3 or better.

>>48747235
They can win on the spot comboing off, but they don't always win even if their combo goes off unimpeded, hence it is not a combo deck.

If viscera seer, Melira, and murderous redcap are on the field unimpeded, you win Always.

>>48747545
Hydra tribal with Scute Mob, Birds, Arlinn Kord, Nissa, and Chord of Calling. Maybe the naya colored Commands and some bolts/helixes.

Throw in the Archangel of Thune/Spikefeeder combo for fun.

>>48746251
Sorin Markov
Nefashu or Solarion
Glimpse the unthinkable

>>48746251
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Fauna Shaman
Lingering Souls

>>48747807
ad nauseum

>>48747881
It has to produce a state that is likely unbeatable. Melira, finks, sac outlet is still a combo as well.

>>48746251
liliana vess
monastery swiftspear
lightning bolt

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/welcome-to-the-countryside-1/
anything i should add to the sideboard other then temur battlerage and mountains

>>48746251

>Walker
Venser, hoping for zombie one some day

>Creature
Deceiver Exarch

>Instant/sorcery
Remand

I just bought a super cheap modern red madness burn deck, Thoughts? Be nice, I'm pretty new to building

20 Mountains

4x Bloodmad Vampire
1x Falkenrath Marauders
4x Incorrigible Youths
4x Insolent Neonate
1x Lightning Berserker
4x Ravenous Bloodseeker
2x Spark Elemental

4x Fiery Temper
4x Galvanic Bombardment
3x Lightning Axe
2x Avacyn's Judgment

2x Prophetic Ravings
3x Skin Invasion
2x Stensia Masquerade

>>48746251
>Walker
Big e/ Baby Jace
>Creature
Rhino
>Instant/sorcery
Cryptic C

>>48744516
Tarfire makes goyf huge. Stop trying to make a meme you shit nigger

>>48740010
Suffer The Past.
You're welcome.

>>48748294
Yeah but it's not a guarantee, I'm an infect player

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MORE CARDS FOR ELVES RIGHT NOW

>>48740852
Modern is a format that dredge is likely to excel in, just by looking at other decks like it that do well. It's basically affinity only with a better game 1 win percentage but with less resilience to hate. The thing is if dredge becomes popular it will be yet another deck that requires specific sideboard answers to beat, like affinity and burn. You can't pack hate for all of them in sufficient quantities. The format already felt like a lottery as it is and now its going to be even more so.

Plus, dredge sideboards always pack at least 6 copies of anti hate to bring in, for me its natures claim on the draw and seize on the play. Even if your opponents packed hate for you that day you're still more likely to draw anti hate than they are to draw hate. Tl;DNR deck is good, just because opponents can pack 4x hate doesnt mean they should or that dredge can't beat that guy.

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>>48740010
One of in grixis?
This card is pretty underrated.

>>48746251
Nahiri, the harbinger
Restoration angel
Mystical teacings

Should I still build Merfolk? How well could the fish hold up against dredge and SuiZoo?

>>48749054
Melira on the board, your opponent has infinite life. And you think you can win?

>>48732706
Traverse let's me cast Progenitus using colorless mana? I didn't know that, thanks senpai.

Is UR delver a decent budget, easily upgradeable deck to get into modern with?

I'd like to play at FNM but ease my way into the format, I don't mind losing a few games as I slowly get the cards I need to make it a good deck

>>48750500
Its ok as a budget start, but there are decks that shit all over it. Delver doesn't really have what it takes to be a top contender in modern, at least right now.

>>48750772
You're either aggro or something that races aggro with disruption

>>48750772
Do you have any advice in that area? I've heard that monored Burn is a good budget start into the format, but I'm not sure if that's the kind of deck I'd enjoy playing

>>48750500
I wouldn't advice for it. I mean what is the direction you will go with it as nonbudget? Do you have money to drop in fetches? Do you have money to drop in snapcasters? Are you going to build grixis or UWR after? Do you think mana leak is a good card?

I mean you can probably win few games with relatively budget UR delver, but it's quite fucking expensive deck if going for optimal build, which I'm not sure you should do as it runs blue. And yes, I'm going to call blue being fucking worst color you want to be in modern.

My advice is just go for red aggro, burn or goblin or something like that. Probably better choice.

>>48750772

That pauper delver is where it's at tho

>>48750358
>what is dismember

>>48744516

The deck makes perfect sense you nigger. The superfriends/shitdecks guy is retarded down to the ground, but this one is completely fine. And this is being said by the guy who's trying to make the superfriend deck a meme.

>>48748482

>made completely out of standard cards
>it's a tier 3 standard deck
>modern

I might have some bad news for you bro.

>>48750881
Chord into resto, try again.

>>48751045
>I never tap out and always have the answer abloobloo
>spell pierce your chord

>>48743033
Sideboard him, hes worse than swiftspear because hes not swiftspear. Hes there to hose lifegain because hes huge and gives you cards.

>>48744331
graffdiggers, leyline and kalitas are better m8.

>>48750500
Play titistorm. Its cheap as fuck and does work compared to delver. You dont care that you lack 1 mana cantrips because youre too busy double casting every manamorph and flipping huge titi's. It goes wide and just works.

Taking this shit to a GP to play side events, any suggestions/comments would be great. Heavily based on Peter Ingram's list but having 3 AV mainboard (which replaces the v-clique, 1 Electrolyze, and 1 remand) and different sideboard.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeskai-harbinger-w-ancestral-visions/

>>48744861
Which version you gonna run?

I'm running the Loam/Conflagrate one. It's really good.

Creature (30)
2x Azorius Guildmage
4x Geist of Saint Traft
4x Judge's Familiar
4x Leonin Arbiter
4x Mausoleum Wanderer
2x Selfless Spirit
3x Spirit of the Labyrinth
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Thought-Knot Seer
Land (22)
4x Adarkar Wastes
1x Eiganjo Castle
2x Faerie Conclave
1x Flagstones of Trokair
3x Geier Reach Sanitarium
4x Ghost Quarter
1x Island
2x Plains
4x Seachrome Coast
Instant (8)
4x Ojutai's Command
4x Path to Exile
Sideboard (15)
1x Grafdigger's Cage
2x Kataki, War's Wage
2x Kor Firewalker
2x Mirran Crusader
2x Pithing Needle
1x Rest in Peace
2x Safe Passage
3x Supreme Verdict

M E M E S

>>48745485
guildpact stomping ground is GOAT. look at that soft orange glow

>>48749119
Evolutionary leap...every see the emrukal brew? Or the elfbelcher brew?

>>48752356
Origins did wonders for elves, lots of nice things added in that set.
Wish bfz/ogw had elves in it... I only remember one elf in that set and imo Beastcaller Savant doesn't cut the mustard. Hopefully the next plane has elves and goblins because zendikar kinda shit the bed for tribal (only sweet goblin card was GDD and it's not a tribal card at all)

I like Eldritch Evolution elves personally.

>>48752477
>Elves
>Zendikar
Why would you think that?

>>48752508
I suppose original zendikar had fuck-all for elves as well.

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>>48752621
Tribal sure, but there were plenty of playable ones.

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Been making a deck for casual play. Currently have this

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dead-already/

Thought for improving?

Grave crawlers are used for sacrifice fodder while grave pact and P.Obliterator force my opponent to constantly sacrifice his creatures, buried alive to get my big creatures in the graveyard or a burst of grave crawlers, culling the weak to get everything out fast, recurring nightmare and victimize to summon large creatures cheap. Everything else is to make more zombies and make zombies stronger with the trump combination being Army of the damned with a coat of arms.

>>48752785
Obliterator is 4 mana for a 5/5 unblockable that prevents your opponent from attacking while it's untapped.

>>48752785
>(competitive discussion)
1. Wrong thread.

2. 22 lands +fuckhuge CMC spells = the deck is unplayable.

>>48752809
>73% of the cards are 3 mana or below
>16 mana worth of Culling the weak

>>48752785
You used cards that aren't even Modern legal and you still managed to make your deck shit.

>>48752785
Wrong thread but the deck is fine. I would find a draw for life card instead of using necromancers stockpile

I'm playing DnT/hatebear. With all the red based removal in the format would it be a bad idea to run Burrenton Forge-Tender in the main. I tend to side it in alot.

>>48752876
Selfless Spirit seems like a better card for mainbord.

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