Age of Sigmar General AOS

CANNONS CAN'T MELT STEEL BLOODSECRATORS 2+ SAVE GET FUCKED

>>48709815
>Rough version is up, still waiting that kat uploader version.

tfw kat and all piracy sites are dying quicker than we ever thought possible

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9th August 2016

Order still stomping.

>>48709820


Look at the key words numb nuts

>>48709815
how do you play vs 30 handgunners? only 300 points

Beastclaw Raiders tome been shared yet in ePub?

>>48709890
stegadon with the spewer weapon

>>48709890
don't play against an autist

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Since Khorne and Nurgle are the only Chaos gods now and Tzeentch is all but forgotten about and Slaanesh is squatted.

Should I just give up at this point waiting on a Tzeentch force like Khorne currently has? Even Nurgle the 2nd favourite has half the units and apparently Khorne is getting even fucking more!?

I'm so exasperated with endless red armoured, blood soaked, skull warblers.

I don't feel like buying 10 boxes of the Silver tower , should I just move onto my next choice of army? Is there light at the end of the tunnel? Or is it all but over for Tzeentch these days?

>>48709890


>>48709890

It seems counter productive but massed small arms are the most direct counter.

The most practical is charging multiple units at them as they can only target one unit on their stand and fire ability

>>48709960
ebay the silver tower models

need some help

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-ogors-en.pdf

when looking at the banner options its stated vaguely, but do i need to chose between al 3 options or do i get all 3 options ?

>>48709972
>this bad reading comprehension

A banner bearer must have either a Beast Skull or a Tribal Banner.

A Tribal Banner may be equipped with a Lookout Grot..

Seriously. Read the blurb about icon bearers.

I'm kind of getting into Warhammer Fantasy. I've been more into the 40k before. My question is simple: is Age of Sigmar bad as they say?

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>just realized the free guild general can use his buff on peasant archers

>take 30 them + a paladin
>120 3+ 3+ no rend rerolling 1's to wound
>do 26.66 unsaved wounds against 4+
>once per game, delete one stonehorn

Tell us about the characters you've made in your narrative forging good times?

>>48710022
Age of Sigmar is better than 40k in terms of balance and model viability.

>>48710022

Nah it's k

>>48710034
stonehorn has 3+ base though

>>48709960
I didn't read past your first sentence. Slaanesh is not squatted. It's acknowledged in the fluff that her followers are searching for her, and can still feel her presence, albeit a faint one.

And tzeentch is definitely not abandoned. What hell do you think the gaunt summoner or the silver tower game is all about?

>>48710022
Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar are different games.
Like 40k and Rogue Trader.

>>48709988
>models in this unit may be icon bearers

thats multiple

also doesnt really say if i can use a lookout gnoblar on a beast skull or not

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>>48709960

KHORNE, STORMCAST, KHORNE, STORMCAST KHORNE KHORNE

I feel your pain, anon.

I'm a Nurglefag and unless I want to use generic Chaos Warriors, my options are Blightkings and more Blightkings. Not that I'm complaining, the models and their rules are great.

I wish all of Chaos got the preferential treatment skull-fucking Khornefags get.

But that's neither here nor there. There are rumors that Tzeentch will get his in due time. I'd say stick with your favorite, my friend. Get the Silver Tower Tzeentch stuff from ebay. Try Hoard O' Bits or Blackdagger Games, my favorite bits shop.

Convert generic stuff to be more Tzeentch-y in the time being. Finally GW isn't brutally punishing themed armies, so the timing couldn't be better.

If the Changer of Ways is your favorite, any other army won't satisfy the itch. Trust me.

>>48710064


Only the lord does, everyone else is 4+

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So how is Aos faring compared to Fantasy, is it acutally making a profit?.

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>>48710081
>also doesnt really say if i can use a lookout gnoblar on a beast skull or not
YES IT FUCKING DOES YOU FUCKING RETARD

please, PLEASE go play any other game, something like candyland seems perfect for you

>>48710104
according to the financial support it's making more money than fantasy has for many many years

>>48710034
why do you have 120 shots ?

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>>48709815
So, what abilities could he have? Any guesses?

>>48710133
well we know he can't support a family

>>48710108
it says tribal banners can get a lookout gnoblar specifically

so i would say great beast skulls cannot.

>>48710142
congratulations, you pass grade 4 reading comprehension

>>48710132


Once per game peasant bowman can quadruple their shots if there are 20 or more in the unit (triple otherwise)

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Should probably drybrush these for speed but having fun layering them. Struggling with placing the second wood highlight though

Reminder that Arkhan the Black will never betray you. Reminder to protect Arkhan the black.

>>48710183
>work harder to produce an effect that looks worse than drybrushing

>>48710164
>peasant bowman

is it just me or should leadbelchers have standard d6 attacks and more if the ystand still? how the fuck are they gonna compete with d3 shooting attacks when you have all these cheap as fuck handgunner and archer units.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrAQO_eirQo

New Miniwargaming battle report

>>48710210
>blind as fuck

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>>48710223


>Ogors need a buff

>>48710230
>posting the pewdiepie of wargaming

why, they just scream and their banter is "nuh I dunt need to roll these dice haha"

>>48710230
They've started covering AoS now?

neat

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Sigmar is Nagash.

>>48710230
>Miniwargaming

These the mormons that talk about their religion during games?

>>48710242
What Ogors need are boxes in multiples of 3.

>>48709960
>Tzeentch is all but forgotten

>Gaunt Summoners
>Silver Tower
>Heavy hinting in latest book

>>48710341
Didn't Allgates also said that after Khorne and Nurgle were defeated now is the time of Tzeentch?

when a units gets plus 1 attack and they have a shooting ability

do they get +1 attack on both range and cc ?

>>48710133
Given he's on a quest I reckon he'll have an objective of some kind, at the start of the game picking an enemy unit he has to slay or a piece of terrain he has to reach, or something. Then some sort of buffs while he's near/fighting his objective.

>>48710381


Depends on the buff, generally they specify what phase it occurs. A buff in the combat phase would not effect their shooting amount.

>>48709960
>2nd book is literally about sigmarines fighting an entire tzeentch army

>>48710381
Depends on the wording of the ability that gave them the extra attack, there's a lot of those out there so it depends. What were you thinking of.

>>48710393
>would not effect their shooting amount.
*affect

A buff in the combat phase would not affect their shooting amount.

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>>48710089
U mad bro?

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>>48710183
I like to drybrush them, then use that as a reference to know what bits I need to layer over, and what bits I can leave alone.
It makes it easier to pick out the most raised areas, and it sort of helps make the transition from the darker colour to the brighter colour look a bit neater as well.

Picture posted last thread, but here are a couple of mine.

Tzeentch is Sigmar.

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>>48710089

>>48710407
gnoblars

doesnt specify anywhere.

>>48710089
best option for chaos fags would be that the standard chaos dudes came with options for all 4 gods and their standard undivided look
but that would probably be expensive

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>>48710075
D20 vs thaco

>>48710311
They've never discussed it during games. The subject was brought up a few times in q&a videos based on submitted questions. And the guys who play the aos battreps aren't the Mormons. Those guys run the business and don't do as many battle report videos the others.

>>48710444
Looking at the wording, I'd say they do indeed get extra attacks at range as well as in CC when you've got lots of them.

>>48710140
So mortal instead of stormcast?

>>48710489
i guess it also makes sense fluffwise.

>>48710467
They could always sell upgrade packs, like God icons on shields, etc

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>want Lietpold the Swag
>initially reluctant, 29 pounds for one character model
>remember how much I paid for a lord celestant
>remember how much I paid for a Castellant
>remember how much I paid for a star drake
>look at how much a general on horse costs these days

>sole reluctance now is having to wait a month because forgeworld


Also is the carmine dragon worth it? How big is it in comparison to a star drake?

>>48710517
taller but that's because of the pose , i'dd say it's about the same size

was about to say lietpold is still way more expensive and you get a guy on foot with the plastic kit but then i remembered the pound lost quite a bit of value
kinda makes me wanna buy the empire and dwarf command sets now
don't get why there's a slayer and a flaggelant in there though , at least the slayer i can use

>>48710589


Yeah $37 for the best looking free guild general ain't bad, although the Empire command set comes with a commander and a standard bearer. The flagellant I have no idea, maybe a warrior priest.

>>48710245
They never get the rules correct lol

>>48710378
No one knows cause fat guy stopped converting epubs to pdfs

The fact that they upped the great horned rat to a chaos god is really interesting,

Aos seem less rigid in it's setting then 40k already.

I guess that's what happens when your world isn't timelocked .

>>48710425
Looking at this I might colour the base rim the same colour as my leaf tabard (caliban green). Looking to contrast the dark mud look I'm getting on top of the bases, and with yours looking similar in shade it seems to mesh well

>>48710089
What's stopping you from running Chaos Warriors with Mark of Nurgle... they'd have both the Mortal and Nurgle Keywords...

>>48710700
he loses blightkings being battleline

>>48710734
they're battleline if you have mortal nurgle allegiance.

>>48710734
They'd both be mortal, and nurgle... and beyond that also battleline... I fail to see the issue

>>48710668
I'm no Skaven fan, but I am excited to see how they handle the other clans
So far we've only seen a focus on Pestilens and how they're looking for the Great Plagues so that the Great Horned Rat-senpai would favour them
I imagine the other clans will go in the same direction with their own little flair

>>48710425

They look great anon.

Completely unrelated, i ordered from element games lately and its really bothering me how long its taking to get acouple of paints. Their website is total arse about elbow when it comes to orders you've placed. Their holding back my entire order because the 2 paint brushes i ordered are not in stock (it said they were when i did but nm). It doesn't let you cancel any items nor add to your order even though its just sitting in a "holding pattern" doing fuck all. I know you get what you pay for but ... fuck its been 8 days allready.

Why isn't everyone doing "snake" or "daisychain" formations with all their units attached to heroes/wizards/buffers as far from the opponent as possible?

After awhile, I will expect the games to start looking very strange.

>>48710990
because if you take casualties you don't want to break up coherency so you have to take losses from the front of your blob, aka the guys who could pile in and attack, aka your actual dps

>>48710775
so i can use all ogre kingdom special character models and keep my gut buster allegiance ?

>>48710695
The base is actually a slightly different colour (Rinox Hide, where as the bark on the Dryads "skirt" is Dryad Bark). I am not sure how a green base would look. As long as the base material stands out on top, then it should be good.

>>48711020
Yup. Not sure why you'd want to though since the named characters are pretty awful.

>>48710990


Because you are fucking up your actual amount of attacks.


That and most buffs tend to be pretty long ranged anyway.

>>48711020
Can't tell if serious or if this is just /tg/
But no.
Gutbusters allegiance (i assume youre wanting to keep for leadbelchers) is based on the Gutbusters Keyword. (as are all allegiances keyword based)

If you read Putrid Blightkings under the Nugle Rotbringers subsection it says they are battline if army has Nurgle Mortal Allegiance.

If this is unclear lemme know. I enjoy being helpful
If you're trolling?... die in a fire?

>>48711020
Ogre kingdom SC were basically replaced by tha fact that the generic version now can take the SC equipment. So a generic Tyrant can now take Bragg weapon and so on. You are supposed to use the SC models when doing that.

>>48711134
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-ogre-kingdoms-en.pdf

they all have the gutbuster keyword

>>48711134
gutbusters can't melt steel beams

>>48711169
Then go for it, my bad wasn't looking, and yup, then it works for them too
Same thing with Tomb Kings and Death, yadda yadda

>>48711191
But leadbelchers can... duh duh DUUUUNNNN

Anyone got the Generals Handbook in another website other than mega? I don't trust it.

>>48710402
>>48709960
>>48709960
little kid crying because the lame gods arnt getting as much attention as khorne and nurgle boohoo babies. there is a reason khorne and nurgle get love its because its popular. why release loads of new shit for the two least played chaos faction in whfb/aos/40k. people need to stop bitching

>>48711134


Except they do have the gut busters keyword idiot

when a model has more then 1 melee weapon with him. like say giants, do you pick which one you use every combat or do you use all of them ?

>>48711272

Or maybe you need to understand that to make something else popular it needs to be given its own time to shine. I don't even play Chaos and can completely understand these players concerns and frustration.

By your reasoning their should only be spacemarines and khorne models released, ever.

>>48711287

depends on what it says in their description. in the giant's case they are armed with a giant club and can also smash foes with a headbutt and kick .

This means that he can use all three of these weapons at once

In other cases it would say that x model is armed with x weapons or y weapon in chich case you only attack with said x/y weapon.

>>48710039
My vampire lord is named Luccio Straizo. He was a jade battle wizard whose fear of aging lead him down the dark path vampirism.

>>48711383
Did he get machinegunned through a window?

>>48711351
well the thing that these dumbass cry about doesn't make sense, "more khorne more stormcast" i swear there was a full game for tzeentch a few months back but noooooo OMFG MORE KHORNE?!

>>48711351


Let's be fair here, Stormcast have gotten two waves of releases and one of those waves was literally one box and a monster. They just got the first one so it seemed like a bigger deal

Hi anyone have PDF stormcast extremis?

>>48711477
In the mega link

>>48711353
ah okay. so gorgers use both attacks.

they seem better then ironguts yet are cheaper.

>>48711408

>i swear there was a full game for tzeentch

You mean the Warhammer Quest game at a cost of $150, which if they wanted the Tzeentch themed units not including daemons there are a total of 14 of?

So no, it's not a "full game" for Tzeentch, there was a board game that had some Tzeentch themed unit, but not even enough for a skirmish game army.

You don't seem to be able to leave a rational comment without silly insults but you can't even fathom, just a little bit? That it is a little... "frustrating" to go onto the webstore and see

>Khorne

>Skullcrushers
>Scyla
>Valkia
>Lord of Khorne
>Blood Warriors
>Bloodreavers
>Skullreapers
>Wrathmongers
>Deathbringer x 5
>Slaughterpriest x 2
>Skullgrinder

>Tzeentch

>Gaunt Summoner
>Curseling
>Lord of Tzeentch

Not even a single line troop?

>>48709815
I like how that art actually makes them look more neutral then evil

does anyone know when the sylvaneth files will become pdfs as my computer seems to hate the epub files?

>>48711493
>better then Ironguts

While gorgers have one more wounds and two more attacks Ironguts have a 4+ save and their 3 attacks have either better rend or better to wound and deal 3 Damage instead of 2 or 1d3.

Ironguts are better by a mile. The only things Gorgers do better are ambushes.

>>48711628

No.

However, if you wish to read them as an epub while you wait, I suggest using a tool called "Readium" which allows epubs to be read normally.

>>48711628
Never, get Readium and make do

>>48711619

Those giant beings are what the heroes in the Silver Tower first encounter, looming over and watching them as they enter, but is all as it seems?

What does the Creature in the front right appear to be holding in his right talon?

>>48711678
dice for the great game of course

>>48711678

Oh that's clever, i like that, have they ever broke the fourth wall like that before?

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Looking at the FW Carmine Dragon, seems powerful. What do y'all think of it? With the Pound being cheap as hell I was considering picking one up.

>>48711750
in 40k Ork Weirdboyz [or was it mad boyz] have been sometimes noted mumble about dice rolls and metagame

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>>48711648
>>48711665

Readium is worthless for porting to a tablet chaperooooos.

>>48711801

Well It would appear that you're all out of fucking luck then, doesn't it? Now be patient and check the pastebin sporadically for the eventual (if ever) PDF release.

>>48711404
Ratling gunned actually

>>48711264
Awfully fussy for someone unwilling to spend money.

>>48711648
>>48711665


thanks, got the program and its working

>>48711775


Broseph I literally just bought a carmine dragon.

A) yes it's cheap, as of 10 minutes ago it's literally $100.76 to ship to the US

B) it's really good at armor cracking. The mother fuckers jaws hit as hard as Ghal Fucking Maraz. It's an excellent piece for Order as it's fast and let's you put its rend and high damage right where you need it

It also gets far dumber with arcane shield and a celestial hurricanum.

>>48711775
should get that or wait for the Khornite Dragon to modify into a Dread Saurian?

>>48711953


Why not get the actual dread Saurian?

>>48711967
I prefer bipedal predators

>>48711981


Well the Carmine is sorta posed bipedal but it's not really dinosaur looking.

I thought the Khorne dragon was just straight up on all fours

>>48711981
By which you mean you want a t-Rex?

>>48712035
it looked bipedal in the prototype I saw

>>48710089
>>There are rumors that Tzeentch will get his in due time
>Tzeentch will be in 7th 40k base set
>Tzeentch will get his own specialised army shortly after release of the 7th edition
>late 2015 is going to be Tzeentch's time
>Tzeench Demonkin codex will be released with Dark Angels 7th ed codex
>Tzeentch is going to get released in AoS,after the khorne force

the changer of ways is known for spreading lies and rumour but why does his followers have to suffer so much disappointment

I guess we have to hope for more

>>48712068
more I want a godzilla

My GW still has a couple of boxes of Skellie Archers and one box of Necropolis Knights

Are they worth it for an army of Death that was originally pure Vampire Counts? And how much worthy are they?

>>48711571
AOS has been out for like a couple of years, just wait your turn they can only make so many new models. or you can carry on crying

>>48712175
>khorne got the most during end times
>khorne got the most during aos reboot

yeah.. yeah...

>>48712175


>a couple of years

A year.

>>48712078

>I can never run a viable mostly giant dragon list

Lets make top 10 AoS heroes list!

>>48710378
At the end of all gates both Khorne and Nurgle suffer huge defeats. The gate to the realms of fire and life are closed, held by The Stormcasts and the Sylvaneth. Khorne still owns most of the realm of fire but can't send in endless reinforcements and lost his most fortified area. Nurgle is in the same boat, but its even worse for him because Alarielle herself has returned and is cleansing Ghyran and pushing out his forces.
The Epilogue has heavy hints that Tzeentch is going to gain ascendancy, so expect tzeentch to get major releases and screen time in the next arc
Slaanesh will probably be a major player once we get around to the elves

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>>48712222

>>48712371


>top 10 anime swordsmen

>>48712371
What criteria? Fluff? Looks? Gameplay stats?

Actually, whatever, I'm putting forward the Grimwrath Berserker.

>>48712399

top 10 anime boobshots

So, question. Just played my first game. Do I have to roll a 10 on 2d6 to deep strike? I play Daemons, so its summoning I guess?

I've come to the realization that list building becomes vastly easier and sensical when I stopped trying to include star drakes and Dracoths in the same list

One or the other

>>48711571
Even if that were true, they nerfed them by making them only proxies in points

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>>48712311
I was thinking Enchantress/Priest 'casting', wherein a unit can transform if it gets a 2+ roll during the hero phase. Or perhaps aura effects centered around Alphas who can 'tide' to cause transformations somewhat like chain lightning. Maybe even both and have it so that the Alphas are the 2+ during hero phase, and the 'pack' requires tiding.

>pic unrelated
Tried to convert Odric's first strike and effect into AoS form.

>>48712418
Gameplay stats top 10!

>>48712483
>that font
make is something readable first
>>48712390
>reaction image from google

>>48712501
wow you're hurt lel

>>48712426
Dracoths are the actual motherfuckingest models. I have a druggie relationship with them. I'm just trying to figure out if the Lord Celestant on Dracoth is equal to a unit of 2 Fulminators.

Stardrakes are cool but pretty overcosted. I'll probably buy one at some point, but for now, eh.

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>>48712501
It is more legible if it is acutally exported to pdf, rather than being a puush screenshot in InDesign itself.

1.Archaon
2. Gordrakk, Fist of Gork
3. Lord-Celestant on Stardrake
4.Nagash
5.Manfred
6.Glottkin
7.Alariella
8.Frostlord on Stonehorn
9.Drycha
10.Celestant-Prime

>>48710119
learn to read: it says it's selling more often, which gives no real comparison to old warhammer given GW put way more releases and deals on the market in a short period of time than it ever did for fantasy.
if they release 100 things in 3 months and people buy 60 they will technically have sold more often than having released 70 things in 3 months but having sold 50 of them; this includes the possibility that the first case sees less overall margin of profit than the second.

>>48712540


Two fulminators will almost certainly out damage and out survive a single Celestant on dracoth. Dracothian Guard get crazier the more you skew your list towards them, which is why trying to reconcile them with a 500 point dragon is difficult.

Star drakes are okay but they are big ass tarpit/tanks + artillery.That's what they're there for, give your drakesworn Templar the axe that stops pile ins, buff him with a Castellant and dive into the enemy. Bonus points if you give him the blinding light artifact.

Carmine dragons are the choice if you want a Killy dragon

does anyone know if the Icewind Assault
contains the literal stonehorn/stundertusk kit x2 ? i might be interested if i can just make 2 stonehorns from that box

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>>48712679


>if I can just make two stonehorns

Die

it comes with the whole kit, so yes

>>48712576
>>48712483
I'd bump up the wounds on the heros; but I do like the idea of Alphas transforming their armies. But that seems more like a command trait rather than a built in ability.

>>48712616
nice

>>48712679
Normally GW bundles are just the actual kits.
I have the Forest Spirit Warhost box, and despite being advertised as one of each Treeman model, I can make any combination of them I want - they are just the normal boxes all thrown into one box.

So I had a rummage for my old brets and came up with most of what I listed last thread, except a knight's shield and the damsel's horse. Damn. I know they're around here somewhere. Curse my messy desk.

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Didn't like the original head, so gave her one form the venom crew. Too bad there are no more shadow aelf minis now, really like their new aesthetics.

>>48710022
>My question is simple: is Age of Sigmar bad as they say?
It's a beer and pretzels skirmish game thats mostly good when you play specific scenarii. If you want a wargame for pick up play you better look for something else.

playing my first game of matched play AoS tomorrow at 1000 points. My list is 1020 if you were my opponent would you be ok with this if I gave you an extra roll on the triumph table?

>>48710022
Its far easier to get into, and is attractive to newer players. For the most part, the game is super easy to learn, but has a decent amount of tactics and strategy. It's fun, easy to play, and most of all, not impossible to teach to a new player. You wont need to memorize a rulebook the size of a light novel to play the game and have fun

>>48713220
everywhere I play people don't care if you're a little over, they just take the standard one triumph roll

>>48713220


Id personally be fine with it.

>>48710022
The rules are a bit dumb and the models are meh. It's good for rolling dice while drinking I guess. It's not a game where you really need to outsmart your opponent.

>>48712772
>But that seems more like a command trait rather than a built in ability.

What do you mean by command trait?

>>48713327
the new thing in the generals handbook

if you take gutbuster, ironjaw, beastclaw allegiance in order to make their shit battleline do you still get the destruction trait, command trait and artifact for destruction allegiance ?

>>48713585
Yep

>>48713063
PIN YOUR THAINTS. The chunky paint does little to help the face, neither does the eyes and lips.

>>48713544
Oh, I haven't looked at that yet. I will take a look at it.

>>48712652
If I had 3 kits, should I make 2 units of Concussors and 1 unit of Fulminators or vice versa?

Anyone try to glue magnes to kurnoth hunters?
Scyte and bow version

>>48713220
No. If the cap is 1000 then don't be a fuckin retard, stay below it you cheating fuck

Anyone got the source for the fact that AoS is outselling WHFB?

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>tfw no new tomb kings

>>48709815
Anybody have that op pic without text ?

>>48713220
I imagine most people would be fine with it.
What is your list anyway?

>>48713700


I did two units (well one big unit) of fulminators and one Cuncussors unit but frankly Dracothian guard are one of the easiest magnetization jobs you could ever have.

Anyone got the OP pic without the text? Thanks in advance!

>>48713585
you can pick between using the specific allegiance's traits, or the destruction bonuses (since many don't have their own yet)

>>48714008
google "gw annual financial" and you'll find it friendo

>>48713984
I hope this post is a joke

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>>48714329

Here you go.

Can anyone give me the points for treekin and way watchers? I left my generals handbook at my mates house.

>>48714847
80 for Waywatchers, 100 for Tree Kin. Both 3 to 12.

>>48712616
>No Thanquol and Boneripper

Shit list is shit.

>>48713220
I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times.

Unless models have individual cost then you'll most likely be over or under by 20-40 points with the current system.

When GW was selling their pitch battle armies on their site even some of them were over by 20-40 points.

Anyone who has a fucking problem with that is an autistic manchild you shouldn't be playing with anyway.

>>48715028
The Generals Handbook itself even uses a 2040 army against a 1980 army.

>>48714222
Mannfred
Necromancer
5 Blood Knights
3 x 10 Zombies

>>48715193
>>48715028

Aren't there sudden death rules if your opponent is over points?

>>48713984
>>48714413

That guy says something like that every time someone says something about their list being 10-20 points over.

>>48715227
I personally think bringing any unique character to a 1000 point game a little cheese (unless everyone is doing it of course), but that isn't bad enough to justify a complaint over 20 points.

>>48715229
There doesn't seem to be. The best way to deal with it is to just say the 20 point count for the Triumph table, so they get the roll. That, or say they can add 20 points to their reserve pool if they have one. Never know when that could be handy.

>>48714913
Cheers man, got a 1k game at gw

>>48710039
My Wight King is trying to expand his fief at all costs. He isn't really succeeding, considering that he has daemons opposing his rightful rule, his army is only 17 men strong (including him) and the fief consists entirely of a single plain, 3 foothills and a village of 64 combat-unworthy peasants.
His most trusted (read: only) Necromancer, Hector Lindqvist, has persuaded him to take up politicking, and he's opened negotiations with the Corpsemaster who rules the mountain the foothills lead to.
Unfortunately for the phasmophobic Hector, his King has already arranged a political marriage to one of the Corpsemaster's Banshees. Minor political strife has resulted. Hector's only consolation is that he's getting free lessons on how to raise more than just skeletons. Variety is the spice of life, after all.

>>48710223
Peasant Bowmen are 200 points for 16.
Archers and Crossbowmen are the cheap ones in this situation at 100 for 10.

Not to mention you need to take a lot of them to really benefit in anyway from their own effects, which get gradually worse if anything even looks at them funny enough for them to die.

Your Ogres are fine.

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Ok guys, I am in the process of converting the sylvaneth, bonesplitters, and all-gates books into PDFs

How am I doing this? I opened them up in readium, and painstakingly took a screenshot of each page. So now I have a jpg of every page of these books, numbered in their filenames.

Now I need a simple program where I can compile them all into a PDF, but I'm having a hard time finding it. I don't want to use something like word or publisher where I need to apply each page into a document and save as pdf. I had a program long ago on a different computer where I just selected a folder, set a few parameters, and it made it into a PDF.

Anyone have any suggestions?

>>48715859
nevermind i figured it out. windows has the feature natively.

k working on it now, and I will upload it via mediafiire for a while so it can be added to one of the megas

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>>48716106
bless your heart PDF anon!

>>48716135
dont get too excited. the quality of the images are subpar because they are just screenshots of each page, but its definitely readable. This mainly so I can read these books on my tablet at my leasure instead of on a computer monitor

>>48710039
My Warband is under the lead of a Exalted Hero and a Sorceress, who are currently seeing each other. Originally star crossed lovers, doomed to die in the feud between their families, they chose Chaos instead, and knowingly betrayed their city after subjugating the former Lord of their current Warband by forcefully possessing him. Now they travel through the realms, amassing power so that they may one day return to destroy their former family's

>>48716201
you know epubs were made for tablets and phones right?

>>48716377
not my tablet apparently.

gw epubs are some bullshit format that i cant get to load properly on mine. others experience the same issue, it's not just me

>>48716422
ask customer support

>>48716422
same, my ipad pretty much refuses to acknowledge GW epubs no matter what app I use

And here they are. Ill leave them up for a few days in hopes someone can put them on the megas

http://www.mediafire.com/download/35i4m5jyt4dac3j/04.+all-agates.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/a13a370yyq7x0u8/sylvaneth+battletome.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/vu56f6t4itfiq4n/bonesplitters+battletome.pdf
This one includes a special message for all the readium posters on the last page.

>>48716525
glad you ruined a good pdf with angry baby spite

>>48716873
not really good because the quality is low, but you're welcome.

call it baby spite, but it was pretty dumb when people were asking for PDFs, fags kept replying with readium. An epub reader was not what we were fucking asking for.

>>48716939
in the readium defense, there were a couple people who were just trying to read the epubs, and they were thankful hearing about readium

>>48713984

Dude, you must be a retard if you think GW wrote those points to work that way. GW knows their points ain't written in stone, we all know it, why cant an autistic fuck like you understand it?

>>48713984

in 40k i'dd agree with you however since they gave us a triumph table especially for stuff like this i'dd have no problem with it as long as you ask your opponent

>>48710133
Ha! Dorf Warden king is better than this guy

>>48714413
>>48715269
>>48717284

>I walk in the store
>Friend asks me to play 1000pts
>I agree, work to make my army as close as possible, make it 980
>Opponent wants to go over 50pts so he can take another full unit instead of being 30pts below.
>But I worked to make my list work under the 1000pt limitation
>Somehow I'M the badguy for saying no

God you fucking shitstains. If you say " lets play 1000pts" then we are playing 1000pts, not "1000 for you, 1050 for me".

Him taking those extra points CLEARLY puts him at an advantage, that is the ONLY reason people try to go over, they cant fit all their toys under the total AGREED too and are trying to wiggle an extra or better unit out when they SHOULD be working within their definition. I want a fair game if we are playing points.

Increase the size of the game to accommodate you, allowing me a chance to get extra or better shit as well? Sure. Blatantly allow you extra points in a way that gives you an unfair advantage? Fuck NO!

At my store we would NEVER tolerate that shit. If you agree to 1500 you play 1500 and if you cant fit your extra shit in then too bad or raise the points values for both sides.

What a bunch of fucking twats.

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>>48717921

>>48712616
Skarbrand beats all

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>>48717921

>>48717921
>Having to have someone argue for people to actually build their armies correctly with points and not cheat...

This is why AoS is the laughing stock of wargames, the simple concept of points limits and being fair to your opponent is ignored.

>>48718072
Nice samefagging, anon.

>>48712616
>putting Mannfred "Pussyface" von Carstein above Alarielle

ISHYGDDT

>>48718158
Alarielel has a man jaw and a 6mm long dick

You guys say that chaos relies on monsters to win, but what monsters are good

>>48718447
Bloodthirsters and Great Unclean Ones are the golden girls of Chaos.

Bloodthirsters and Scarbrand are insane on the damage output and the GUOs can soak an entire armies attention without going down.

>>48710425
Wow nice one! Looking really good. I'm going to try using this as reference to my own dryads.

>>48718072
Why are you even here? Go on, shoo. Nobody cares what your agenda is.

>>48717921
Then why didn't you just add an extra 50 fucking points? Oh, that's right, because the way GW wrote the rules it's almost fucking impossible without remaking your whole fucking list.

Cry more, you're wrong, end of story.

If GW themselves make armies that are a few points over the points limits then obviously that's just the way this shit is meant to be played.

Would I allow someone to be 50 points over? No. Would I be fine with 20-40 points if it meant they wouldn't be under by more than that? Yes.

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More spiders for the spider gods, now I just need to source a goblin champ on giant spider that doesn't cost $65 aud.

>>48709890
30 plague bearers (-2 bs)... ,so even with rerolls ti hit your looking at 15 hits, 10 wounds... you get 5+ save but -1 so 6+ followed by 5+ feel bo pain

you could break their gunline like this with a 300pt unit

>>48717921
I totally agree with you.
If the adversary wants extra points, he should say it way before putting stuff on the table.
1000 pt is 1000 pt.

>>48715859
>How am I doing this? I opened them up in readium, and painstakingly took a screenshot of each page. So now I have a jpg of every page of these books, numbered in their filenames.
Couldn't you just use Adobe Professional, and use the function to merge the pdf?
It takes a couple of minutes.

>>48717921
>>48719517

>taking a game this seriously outside of tournaments

>>48719568
>Allowing douchebaggery in any form and substance

>>48719055
Found the guy

>>48719663

>seeing someone with 1020 points in a casual 1000 point game and screeching douchebaggery

So I've got an Lord of Change I painted like four years ago and I'm interested in trying AoS out. How are Tzeentch daemons?

Only other army I'm really interested in would be Free Peoples or Lizardmen.

>>48719663
>Casually making shitty assumptions about a person
You sound like a massive faggot.

>>48719731
Every army is at least decent, there's no bad army choice. There's good balance in AoS.

Might want to support them with Tzeentch mark Slaves to Darkness though, as Tzeentch Daemons are ranged heavy.

>>48719708
Why can't you people understand that 20 points over isn't an extra model or two, it's far more than that.

For my bets it's being allowed to take knights of the realm instead of errants.

You people are the first to complain about Waac in this game but sperg rage when people won't let you min max cheat

>>48719848
It's not about min maxing. It's that I honestly don't care about those 20 points. I don't care if you run Knights of the Realm or Errants.

So long as it's not much more than 20, I don't really care because at the end of the day, I'm there to have fun not win everything.

I also always meet the points limit or am a little under, never over, I just don't sperg out when someone else does.

I'll give you my list if you want to see for yourself.

>>48719848
>Why can't you people understand that 20 points over isn't an extra model or two, it's far more than that.
A matter of perspective. Lets say I take a unit of Liberators and it puts me 20 points over. You would look at those 20 points and think that I'm getting a whole unit just for 20 points. I look at it and see that 20 points is really just a single Liberator, which is hardly worth a fuss.

>>48719923
But it's not just an extra liberator, it's a whole unit of liberators instead of a worse unit that costs 20 points less

So so I have
Reroll to hit
My to hit stay is 4+
But my enemy has -1 to hit aura
And I roll all 4's for my hit I can't reroll them because I need 5 to hit but the unomodified didn't fail?

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>>48719962
I understand you bro, and yes because of the way unit costs are structured it is uncool to go over the agreed limit. Its not aspie its just good manners and good sportsmanship.

Let's say I want to make an Ogre army for a 2000 point game.

Tyrant - 160
Ironguts x6 - 440
Leadbelchers x6 - 320
Leadbelchers x6 - 320
Ogors x6 - 240
Ogors x6 - 240
Thundertusk w/ Beastriders - 320

That's 2040.

Now you tell me how I could possibly make this list and not be under by less than 80 fucking points.

Now the obvious way to do it would be to get rid of one Ogor from one of the units, right? Well no, you can't fucking do that cause GW is being different for the sake of being different without really thinking this shit through.

Freeguild/Collegiate Army, 1000 Points

How's my list?

Leader - 200

Freeguild General - General

Amber Battlemage

Battleline - 440

3x10 Freeguild Guard

2x10 Freeguild Handgunners

Other - 360

1x3 Demigryph Knights

1x10 Greatswords

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>>48710039
>Kaahzam Navt
A dwarf thane caught in a grudge with a human king. The king dies in battle and is reforged into a stormcast. The dwarf, unwilling to let go that easily builds a special armour and launch himself into azyr by way of cannon to settle the grudge once and for all

>>48720006
Replace tyrant with butcher and drop 3 ogors and get a unit of grots

There's also a million different ways you could do this but then your list wouldn't be as strong it'd be on the level of all the other fair players and that's not what you want is it

>>48720006
Remove 3 Ogors from each, replace with 40 Gnoblar Grots.

>>48720006
Remove 3 Leadbelchers and add 3 Ogors. 2000 points exactly.

I have had trouble making flat 2000pt sylvaneth army using the miniatures that I own in formations that I can make.
It always ends up 50-60pts over

>>48720188
welcome to list building, cut back on something

>>48720188
50 or 60 over is a fucking joke I bet even all the cheating fags that take an extra 20 would have a problem with that

>>48714394
>gw annual financial
I did but couldn't find the exact quote

>>48720246
>We learnt some valuable lessons during the year on how to deliver product system changes on this scale and as we released more of the range in the second half of the year, we finished the year with sales of Warhammer: Age of Sigmar at a higher rate than Warhammer has enjoyed for several years.

Page 4, under review of the year.

>>48720095
>>48720097
>>48720166
Yeah well too bad I don't have those models.

Not to mention adding Gnoblars completely ruins the feel of the list.

>>48720166
So I'd have to buy another box of Ogors and those other three Leadbelchers are useless to me now.

You guys can easily just say "Oh add this, replace with this, etc" but that requires said player to actually have these units or want them in his/her army.

Do you people honestly not see how completely fucked this system is?

How is this even a problem.

If I'm making a list and I'm 20 points over then my opponent can add that precious 20 points to his army. If he wants me to remake my entire list for something so trivial then he can literally suck my dick.

>>48720292
Those excuses are bullshit, anon.

>>48720292
You asked us how to make the list legal, and we told you. You're model collection was never a factor because you didn't tell us it was, nor did you tell us what you had. As for Gnoblars ruining the feel of a list, that sounds like a personal problem.

>>48720292
There's always free play. :^)

>>48720214
>>48720212

Alright alright calm down, don't need to jump down my throat! If you're going to be like that you might as well go play 8th edition.

Sylvaneth have very limited options especially when it comes to battleline units. You could take other battleline troops but the benefits of pure Sylvaneth allegiance are too good.

Just filling the basic requirements for a Gnarlroot Wargrove puts you on 600pts and another 620 if you take Alarielle. I just said I added up what I've got and what I can make.

Jesus.

>>48720292
Wtf guys I only bought 4 star drakes and a carmine dragon how can u expect me to drop one for a unit of battle line that I don't even own
It would ruin the feel of my bullshit list


GO PLAY FUKING OPEN THEN CUNT

>>48720316
If you want the Sylvaneth allegiance, make some sacrifices.

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>>48720305
Because the agreed upon was 1k not 1020.

You say you have to make a new list to remove 20 so would I to add 20.

We could avoid all of this if you stopped being a retard and learned basic maths so you don't fucking cheat and go over the agreed LIMIT

>>48720326
I have over 2500pts of figures but for a 2000pt game I can be either 40 under or 20 over.

(List A)
Gnarlroot Wargrove - 80pts
GrWg HouseHold - 20pts
GrWg TrLord Ancient - 300pts
GrWg Branchwych - 100pts
GrWg Trevenants - 100pts
Drycha Hamadreth - 260pts
Kurnoth Hunters - 180pts
Branchwych - 100pts
Dryads - 120pts
Dryads - 120pts
Treelord - 260pts
Treelord Ancient - 300pts
Total = 1960pts

(List B)
Gnarlroot Wargrove - 80pts
GrWg HouseHold - 20pts
GrWg TrLord Ancient - 300pts
GrWg Branchwych - 100pts
GrWg Trevenants - 100pts
Drycha Hamadreth - 260pts
Kurnoth Hunters - 180pts
Branchwych - 100pts
Dryads - 120pts
Dryads - 120pts
Alarielle - 620pts

Total = 2020pts

>>48720313
Well now you know the limitations of normal people, you know, money.

So how would you fix the system? That's right, individual costs.

>>48719749

Ah cool, I'm coming from 40k where I play DE and Imperial Guard a lot haha, so it's nice knowing every army has a shot.

>>48720385
>"These are all my models, they don't fit into the points"
>Has spent points on battalions
Come on now. You can't claim your models don't fit into the points limit when you're spending points on bonus rules.

>>48720336
>1000 point game
>decide to make a diffrent list then usually because the other one is to strong
>go 20 points over
>ask my opponent if it's alright i go 20 points over and he gets a roll on the triumph table
>at this point he can remake his lists and even go a bit above 1020 points or agree
>none of us are autists with crippling ocd so we have a fun game and i got to use some new models
sure was hard

>>48720390
It doesn't need fixing. It's an expensive hobby, you knew that coming in. And if you can't afford a box a month, you have more problems than list building.

>>48720385
>Battalions

>>48720336
It's not even about basic math it's how the fucking system works.

You would be pigeon holed into playing a list you won't be happy with because your opponent isn't happy with you have a measly twenty points. Which if you all pulled your hats out of your asses would realize isn't even that big a deal.

I've faced armies that were 20 and 40 points over. I understand why they were over otherwise they would have either been under by more meaning I'd feel like I had the unfair advantage or they'd have to completely remake the list and ultimately not have as much fun.

I'm not gonna sperg out over 20 fucking points. It literally makes absolutely no difference in my games.

You guys can do what you want but my group realizes how trivial all this is and we have more fun with more varied lists because of it.

>>48720411
Yes it does fucking need fixing. Are you blind or just oblivious to this thread?

Individual points costs would literally fix everything about this.

Please, tell me how it wouldn't and explain how this system isn't flawed.

>>48720408
So I can save 100pts by not taking a very good and valuable battalion.

Nice one.

>>48720385
honestly anon if you have a battalion that costs 20 pts , you shouldn't be 20 points over your limit
unless that was a typo cause i don't recall any battalion being 20 points

What armies, beside Nighthaunt, are good for sticking the finger at rend?

Furthermore, is pure Nighthaunt viable?

>>48720385
Careful there son, you shouldn't go 20 points over. Someone here might have a stroke!

>>48720411
>Now battalions are a problem

Ok, you're all just a bunch of no fun faggots. I see now.

>>48720411
Yeah because Alarielle is 620pts and treelords can cost 260 - 300pts or more for a spirit of durthu but taking 2 battalions for 100pts is wasteful...

>>48720443
seraphon
pretty much all of their shielded infantry ignores -1 rend and the bastilladon ignores rend all together at a 3+ save

>>48720436
The household battalion (20pts) is a requirement of the Wargrove (80pts).

The Household let's me prevent the opponent from withdrawing in combat, useful against skinks and Beastmen.

The Wargrove grants me an additional healing spell and all my wizards get even better at spelling.

All for less than the cost of a single dryad unit.

>>48720436
That battalion is worthless but it's a requisite for the Gnarlwood Wargrobe, so you can't cut it without cutting the GW also.

>>48720443
Lizardman chuckle away rend with their magic starshields.

>>48720465
>>48720466
ah well carry on then s'all good

>>48720385
Drycha cost 280 m8

>>48720385
Treelord 220

>>48720500
Oh shit you're right my bad. I would probably be best binning one of the Branchwyches since they're my cheapest unit and I need 3 lots of dryads or Trevenants as battleline

>>48720409
>ask my opponent if it's alright if I go 20 points over

> he says no

> I get mad and call him autistic

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>>48720500
>>48720506
Hang on, in the generals handbook PDF I got here drycha is 280 and treelords are 260

>>48713627
so this is wrong ?

>>48714378
i dont remember any allegiance specif things that are as good as getting an army wide free run move, and 2 bonuses (good ones) to your general.

seems to punish battletome themed army's a bit, since the 4 grand allegiances have great bonuses in the generals handbook.

>>48720430
They didn't balance the units around individual models tho.

I can spend 400 points to make my bret archers shoot 4 shots each, or by your rules I could spend 250.

>>48720434
Ah so there's the problem, if you stay within the points limit you can't be as waac as you wanted

>>48720443
Pure nighthaunt is a bad idea. I tried it and it could be really good, the issue is that none of the heros have any support, you can only take inspiring presence as a command ability which is useless for this army as you're never going to be loosing 5 spirit hosts in a combat phase and then roll a 6, it's even bad for hexwraiths as you should really run them in seperate units. Throw in some other death and the Nighthaunt units become great for hunting down monsters, elites and any other high tend stuff.
Quick question to everyone though, can you split your units attacks? I have a friend I play with who always does this to me, he'll say half his unit attacks my one unit to one side and half off to another. No one I play with does this apart from him and I'm pretty sure he's doing it because he's fuckimg obsessed with winning this campaign.

>>48720409
go play open not points

in no miniature game ever has it been acceptable to go even 1 point over the agreed limit, even in friendly games.

>>48720465
You're still spending points on rules while simultaneously arguing you don't have enough points for all your models. You don't NEED those special rules, you just want them.

>>48720585
Ah ha nice casual slander there.
You're telling me you wouldn't want to take 2 very useful battalions for less than the cost of a single unit of dryads?

Really? Or are you just enjoying the anonymous ability to hurl insults at people from the safety of your mum's basement?

What is the point of this board, it's just the same two or three people just being dicks to everyone else. Ok, we get it, you were bullied at school and don't have a girlfriend- fine. I feel sorry for you but Christ, using an anonymous image board to get back at the world isn't going to help you lose weight; it's just going to drive people away from a hobby which so clearly encompasses a large part of your life. We're all supposed to share a common interest together here on this board, so why treat your fellow gamers like shit when they ask for help?

>>48720612
I think you have to announce at the start of combat, which unit's attacks will go where. So all their swords attack unit A, then they use their other weapon to attack unit B

>>48720612
Can only split attacks if you can't hit the same target but there's another one in range cUse of pile in

However u can use different weapons on different targets

>>48720628
Yes we've already established this bit but I don't think it's worth losing it for the sake of 100pts.
Additionally, opting to not take that battalion would only leave me with 80pts left to spend and the cheap unit costs, yep, you guessed it: 100pts!

What would you suggest instead?

It is possible to make list B work with Alarielle by taking an additional Trevenants unit (which I don't have) instead of one of the dryads.

>>48720668
Don't take Drycha or Alirali.

>>48720637
>You're telling me you wouldn't want to take 2 very useful battalions for less than the cost of a single unit of dryads?
I wouldn't if I was over on points, no. It would be a bit disappointing, but I'd put my big boy pants on and accept that I can't take absolutely everything I want when playing a system that places limitations on its players.

>so why treat your fellow gamers like shit when they ask for help?
Because we've told you how to fix the problem: drop the battalions, and you can take all your models like you wanted. If you ask for help, get it, but then decide you don't like the sound of the advice and get pissy, don't be surprised if people get pissy back.

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>>48720637
>I'm not waac but I go over point values because I get really strong bonuses I don't want to give up

How can't you see how fuckin dumb what you're saying is.

and as for the second part of your little emo rant I guarantee every single aspect of my life is better than yours.

But that's irrelevant cause we're talking about a board game here you fucking idiot

Ah fuck it. Anon who is against going over 1000 points, you were right, it should be a hard limit, no exceptions. It encourages too much bullshittery.

>>48720687
>drop the battalions, and you can take all your models like you wanted.

You're clearly not even paying attention.

Either that or you can't even do basic maths.
The Wargrove is 80pts
The Household is 20pts

Not taking that saves me (80+20) 100pts.

Woopy-fucking-dooo

So 2,020 - 100pts = 1,920pts.
Find me a sylvaneth unit for 80pts...
Shit, find me anything for less than the cost of the inexplicably offensive battalion.

>If you ask for help, get it, but then decide you don't like the sound of the advice and get pissy, don't be surprised if people get pissy back.

Sorry but you and your edgy friends started with a cunt reply, ignored anything I said, responded with incorrect facts and points values and proceeded to be an ignorant jackass. Youve got some serious problems and need to spend less time on the internet.

>>48720698
Oh look another internet hero who refuses to read, count or even remotely pay attention in favor of just finding threadbare excuses to shit on people from the safety of the internet.

Good for you anon.

>>48720010
Guess this is fine, then?

Go on then, since you're both so fabulous and clever, make 2000pts out of these:

-Drycha
-Kurnoth hunters x 3
-Branchwych x 2
-Dryads x 16
-Trevenants x 5
-Alarielle
-Treelords/ancients/durthu x 3

Keep in mind that you have to take 3 battleline units and a maximum of 4 behemoths.

...or just keep being dicks to strangers on the internet. Whatever works.

thinking of a Nighthaunt heavy army but instead of the green or blues most people use for their spirits doing them up like flames. Lots of reds, yellow and orange

>>48720766
Your list is shit you need an extra 20 points to round it out to what every other cunt here plays at

>>48720784
Looks to me like you can't play 2k til you buy some more units then doesn't it

>>48720792
wew lad

>>48720637
you sound like your 16 and think your making clever insults.

>>48710034
Free People (Bretonia) != Free Peoples (Free Guild)

>>48720798
Not if I can summon a second unit of dryads mid game using 2 Branchwyches and/or Alarielle once the first is dead or have taken 4 casualties (since the starter box came with 16 for some reason).

Got anything helpful to say to help someone get their army up and running? You know? Help players play the game? Perpetuate the hobby? Christ imagine if the Fantasy players saw this camaraderie, I bet they'd immediately switch over to AoS.

>>48720735
>You live in your mon's basement!
>You haven't got a girlfriend!
>You've got serious problems!
The only personal remark that came your way was "WAAC", but you have responded with childish personal insults in almost every single post. You are the person being rude here.

>>48720784
Why should we? You're being rude and unpleasant, throwing insults around while at the same time claiming you're being wronged. You don't deserve our help.

>>48716525

>Didn't include the fucking warscrolls

One job. The fuck you want me to do, download individual warscroll pdfs for each unit and store those on my pad?

>>48720805
And you sound like you're a 35 year old white male who reaffirms his self-image by being a dick to people on the internet and unintentionally proving my point with magnificent accuracy and speed.

>>48720823
>You don't deserve our help.

Gold. Absolute gold.
You don't even want to help new players! Fat lot of help ANY post has been here! You're just here to vent and feel good about yourself.

>>48720787
Go for it, I did my death stuff ice themed and it worked out pretty good, fire spirit hosts could look amazing, I think you're gonna have a hard time with Banshees and Cairn Wraiths though.

Fuck this. At least 8th had a decent points system

>>48720853
People have told you exactly what to do, you just don't want to take their advice.

>>48720820
Aw fuck that ruins things :(

>>48720822
See so you already know yourself how you can stay below 2k points but you're just so intent on cheating you don't wanna

>>48720867
No, two people have given lazy suggestions which don't fix the problem..

For the THIRD time I will explain again:

Losing the two triggerific battalions saves only 100pts in total.
This. Does. Not. Help.

>>48720465

The grove batallion includes the household numbnuts.

>>48720891
>20pts over = intent on cheating

Did you even read my reply? Using 16 dryads as two squads of 10 doesn't fix the problem, it's how I manage to stretch the start collecting box to meet the battalion requirements when sylvaneth only have 2 battleline options. Or 1 if you don't have sylvaneth alliegence

Again, proving me right. You don't want to help. You're just here to shitpost.
Cheers. I'll go check out WHFB instead.

>>48720857
I am thinking basing them off undead trapped after the Bridge of Fire Once connected Aqshy with Shyish was broken and they are stranded on the fire realm side and as such a burning spirits.

>>48720921
Yeah, fuck off then you twat.

>>48720822
You NEED the minimum battleline before summoning. Summoning can not get you around that rule, since you assign points, not units to the reserve list.
Without enough battleline units, your list will never be legal. Also, Branchwraiths summon, not bramchwyches. And Sylvaneth summoning isn't even worth doing because of the way the rules work. You can summon 12 at most, but you have to pay for 20.

>>48720907
>>48720907
The Wargrove requires that battalion but I have not read anywhere that the cost of the household is included.

If this is true then you've actually broken the record and provided the only genuinely helpful post in this thread.

I will reread the Battletome and generals handbook and see if the Household battalion is included in the cost of the Wargrove.

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>>48720784
Weren't you the guy saying everyone's mean to you because they have no gf?

>>48720952
Thought you were going back to the dead game, mate?

>>48720930
Proving my point! Thanks :-D
We're all laughing at you.

>>48720974
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, now.

>>48720976
Go on, have the last word. Please mate. You can't stop yourself can you?
Show me who's the boss! I won't ever dare be so impudent to you, my lord.

Wow you're so cool. Will you be my friend? I'm so impressed.

>>48720998
You're the one who said they were leaving, mate, not me.

Is Drycha Hammerfist a behemoth?

>>48721015
Your mum's a behemoth.

But yes, it is.

>>48721015
Surprisingly yes

>>48720964
I am trying to get into AoS with all the new Sylvaneth stuff that I've bought. I bought the starter kit, two heroes and shitloads of stuff but I cant make a square 2000pt army with all that stuff.

Clearly this isn't the place to get help or advice on anything.

>>48709869
You guys ruined this campaign for me. I believed you neckwear when you said they don't even count our results. Made me sad.

>>48721041
Did you buy things without planning?

>>48721046
Yeah actually, several people told me I could play with almost anything so I bought the Battletome at the same time as £400 worth of miniatures.

Silly me.

>>48720853
Fat lot of good ANY of the last 50 or so posts in this thread have been.
Can we not just agree to disagree? Neither player in this metaphorical game is going to give up their position on how hard points limits should be in this literal game, so why bother with an argument that's pointless and stupid anyway? Just stop. Everyone. Stop and let the thread continue with proper discussion, like it should.

>>48721064
You can play with almost anything. Just not with points. You're looking for Open Play if you just want to field whatever. Use points as a guideline, not a rule.

>>48710022
I'm a 40k fag and I've had a massive hobby resurgence since getting into age of sigmar. Not having to refer to the hit/wound tables every 5 seconds is a godsend. Fuck what other cunts say that shit was annoying even if you play all day every day.

I hope they give 40k the sigmar treatment desu.

>>48721077
I think this we can all agree on

>>48721064
Whether or not going 20pts over on a list is a problem is entirely dependent on who you're playing and what context you're playing in.

If it's a casual game and the person you're playing isn't entirely unreasonable, it should be fine. I would say most people with even a modicum of social awareness would accept that having a fun game using the models you want to use is more important than strictly adhering to a points limit.

Also, whoever has fewer points gets to add a triumph, which is nice.

If you were in a tournament however, you need to strictly adhere to the points limit. Making the most effective list you can that does not exceed the limit is part of the strategy.

Build your army the way you want with the models you want to use, if it's 2020pts - tell your opponent and suggest that either they add a unit or roll on the triumph table, or come to some other mutually acceptable compromise.

At the end of the day, the game isn't that important and it's not worth getting really stressed over. Just take the stuff you want to take.