How Do Space Marine Fit In Terminators?

>>48666052
Same way the pauldrons work

Shut the fuck up, it's tiny figures for you to roll dice at

>>48666052
Nigga can't even turn his head. Fuck terminator armor, I'd stick to the regular shit

Also not how the best Primarchs (Russ etc) shunned termie armor

>>48666152
Vision isn't a problem with Terminator armor- it has cameras and other sensors including echolocation that basically give you a three dimensional map of the entire area, along with a full view of vision including your back IIRC. It's so much information it can cause marines to lose focus and even make them fall over. Like if you suddenly grew ten eyes over your body.

Are there any chapters that are composed of almost entirely Terminators?

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>>48666306
No because that would be retarted and limit tactical flexibility more than following the codex astartes

>>48666052

Terminator armor is a seperate sort of armor from the regular ones they wear. They still use the "undersuit" as it was since it connects to the various nodes on their body but the terminator armor is far bulkier obviously and comes with it's own servo actuators and electro fiber bundles to help augment it's strength and allow the marine to walk inside of it.

They're not going to be sprinting like a marine in regular armor but then you don't need to when your mowing down dudes with your assualt cannon on one arm and your power claws on the other (or sword or thunder hammer or whater tickles your murder boner)

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>>48666467
>Terminator armor is a seperate sort of armor from the regular ones they wear. They still use the "undersuit" as it was since it connects to the various nodes on their body but the terminator armor is far bulkier obviously and comes with it's own servo actuators and electro fiber bundles to help augment it's strength and allow the marine to walk inside of it.

Has anyone ever said so much yet meant so little?

Rule of cool, my man.

>Read 40K lore
>Terminators are clunky and slow. Marines gives up a lot of speed of mobility

okay lets see them in fighting conditions

>a Necron Lord grabs a terminator and crushes the marine like tincan and throws him away
>Genestealer claws tear through terminator armor like a hot knife through butter

What's the point of Terminator? Added handicap?

>>48666306
Used to be the Iron Hands.

Old lore had them handing out terminator suits to veteran sergeants in charge of tactical squads. Then for some reason the most mechanized chapter got retconned into being the exact opposite and they apparently have fuck all terminator suits anymore.

>>48666624
Terminator Armour has the opposite equivalent of plot armour

Terminators are the big tough cunts that get jobbed to make an opponent seem more threatening

Isn't Terminator armour a glorified reactor maintenance suit from the Dark Age of Technology?

>>48666624
Don't forget this.


>When fighting against the humans attempting raids in the Perdus Rift, a lone Sniper Drone Team claimed an entire Terminator squad - each member shot directly through the armoured eye lenses of their helmets.

-Tau codex (Sniper Drone entry)

>>48666628

Old lore had them giving Terminator armour to Sergeants just because they didn't have enough to form squads of Terminators.

Almost all their Terminator armour got lost when all their veterans died with Ferrus on Isstvan.

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>>48666668
>666668
Nice.

>>48666624
Terminator armor is exceptionally durable, it's just Terminators for some reason often end up fighting guys who can cut through any armor like it isn't even there.

>>48666647
>>48666668
Worf effect?

>>48666690
That shit was 10,000 years ago, they couldn't buy, make or bum more off of Mars?

>>48666707
GW has no sense of scale. Terminator isn't lost, new parts are made to repair them, and new suits are still made. It's really all a mess.

>>48666707
Youd think. The Index Astartes says that while new suits are made, it's a slow process and supply will never meet demand.

But you would think they would pull some first founding strings

>>48666052
they become big guys and fit inside, thus becoming able to crash space hulks full of genestealers with no survivors

>>48666800
Was shitposting part of your plan?

>>48666707
Terminator armor is to space marines what the Avatar of Khaine is to Eldar.

>>48666052
Do you think it's possible for someone with human proportions to wear power armour? Look at the upper armour and the sides of the torso. Unless your shoulders protrude grotesquely from your body you aren't wearing that shit.

>>48667596
The proportions aren't that bad in power armor, your arms don't sit fully inside the pauldrons, but sorta slide out. It's an optical illusion.

But termiantor armor? I've got fuckin nothing.

>>48667596
Yes it is, inquisitors commonly wear power armour or terminator armour. They arent as effective as they havent got the black carapace but they just fill the space with extra fibre bundles or servos

>>48667596
Yes. They just have to get power armor sized for humans.

>>48666152
What type of armor did the Primarchs predominately wear?

>>48667841
Artificer, really the Imperium should learn how to mass produce that shit.

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>>48666647
I like to think the people writing the fluff were traumatized by the old terminators.

>>48667913
>Where did the powerfist touch you, Timmy?

>>48668081
the ranged weapons, more like

>terminators can rapid fire their storm bolters
>storm bolters are sustained fire-1, for a potential of eight shots per guy
>assault cannons were S8 and sustained fire-3, for a potential ten shots

At an effective BS6.

You might as well ask how ten marines fit in a Rhino. These models are not precise scale miniatures.

>>48666668
That's because tau low is ridiculous sometimes

>>48668232
It's not about the scale, just the whole thing is fucked. You can fit a human into marine power armor, but you can't even fit a marine in power armor without breaking a couple bones.

>>48668259
It's the arms. With power armor at least the arms come out of the torso at the proper way. Terminator armor has them looking like they have dislocated shoulders

>>48668247
Meant lore not low. Phonepoasting

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>>48668247
>ridiculous
I mean they killed Slaanesh.
It's better if you treat all codex fluff as propaganda of their respective side.

>>48667841
All custom made for them. Different styles, some bulkier than others (See: Horus, Mortarion). A more slim fitness kind of armor for Fulgrim and I believe also Sang. Magnus armor has always looked pretty strange, then again, being strange was his thing. Alpharius and Omegon wore armor that looked mostly similar to that of his Marines. So there isn't really a rule for them.

Their black carapace lets them control robot arms with the same dexterity as human arms, like on those goofy Space Marine inside Space Marine armors they came out with a while back.

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>>48668313

>>48668289
Well that's obviously not them literally killing a chaos God. That's just them killing a greater daemon of some sort. And the guy is just calling him slaanesh because that's who the enemy said they served

>>48668319
>Who the hell do you think I am!?

>>48668093
Underrated post.

They cut off their arms and maybe legs. If you go termie, you never go back normie.

>>48668320
My guess, probably just a member of some "Emperor's Children" warband. As for calling himself Slaanesh, that's just pure misinterpretation on the Tau's part.

>>48666765
Especially since the Iron Hands should have a pretty great rep with the Mechanicus.

>>48667900
Every suit of Artificer armor is unique, that's the point - no mass production.

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I think this is relevant

>>48668319
Why do people always put the operator arms so high in the terminator suit? Can't they see that the arms connect much lower into the body and all that pad over it is not housing the shoulder?

>>48669428
Maybe that terminator is shrugging.

>>48666666

>>48666177

>[citation needed]

>>48670042
The models literally have little sensor clusters on them.

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Terminator thread? Terminator thread.

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>>48670084

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>>48670096
The Black Templars are alright dudes.

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>>48670101

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>>48670114
Tartaros pattern is probably the best termie pattern since you can run in this termie armor. Hear that boys? You're not a can of tuna now.

The real issue with both suits of armor is that dogshit barrel chested tu e of a breastplate that leaves the abdomen, and cabling in some marks of astartes armor, COMPLETELY exposed compared to the upper torso and other areas.

This is, among other reasons, why mk 3 and 4 are the best.

And even then power armor has inferior coverage because they generally lack tassets or faulds of any kind.

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>>48670120

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Behold the face of arrogance

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>>48670154
That's just Horus corrupted by the Warp.

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>>48670148
Old Cataphractii had huge topknots.

>>48666052
The 3rd book of the Legacy of Caliban is the only one I read that dealth with Terminator armor in details and the training of marines to use it.

Apparently it always feel likr you're going to start sprinting because of the forward position, and there are a few moments where the marine is being carried away by the armor and crashes into a wall or something because he doesn't know how to stop.

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>>48670120
You mean Saturnine Pattern is best

>>48670136
that's why mk8 is the best, you mean

>>48670148
>>48670120
>>48670084
Man, the Heresy termie armour does nothing for me. Bulldog 4 life.

>>48668259
Tabletop wargames require ABSTRACTION.

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>>48670241
bulldog brother

>>48670120
I hope to the high heavens that they will come in plastic in the next box set.

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>>48670217
The extra dakka is nice and all.
>>48670241
I have nothing against it, but I've seen it too much like mk7 and then I discovered 30k. I don't want to go back to the Dark Millennium.

>>48670241
...although >>48670217 is also great. Is Forge World ever going to get round to it?

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>>48670276
Somewhere around maybe to who knows.

>>48669428
Because the arms are that high on the model and in the drawings.

I'm more concerned about their necks.

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>>48670221

>>48670219

Exposed abdomen, torso plate still a huge solid mass that's too wide, no tassets or faulds. Admittedly they all have that problem.

Mk 8 'gorget' is actually worse, but an actual gorget wouldn't be so awful. I don't demand 100% realism, that would rujn the clunky V shape heroic silhouette they have, but taking a few cues from actual armor anatomy would be a boon to their designs.

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>>48670341
Are they? Or do people just assume the arms come from the middle of the massive shoulder pads, instead at the bottom?

>>48670716

Either their torsos and shoulders are freakishly wide, even for astartes, or they're mechanical arms.

Terminator anatomy has always been dodgy.

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>>48670660
>Exposed abdomen

MkVIII specifically puts more protection on the abdomen.

>torso plate still a huge solid mass that's too wide

No different from any other mark.

>no tassets or faulds. Admittedly they all have that problem.

So why pick on the MkVIII? Also, pic related.

>Mk 8 'gorget' is actually worse

Than?

>but an actual gorget wouldn't be so awful.

Also wouldn't protect bullets from ricocheting under your helmet, which is why the thing was put on the MkVIII in the first place.

>>48668418
"a Tau's part"

It was one guy.

>>48666052
>I'm more concerned about their necks.

Their all orks.

>>48670778

Mk 3 and 4 cover the abdomen mostly with a single piece (ideally it'd be layered .)

The gorget is high but also really restrictive, I admit that's more an issue with them keeping Aquila style helmets on it, also it wraps around but from the back and sides I'd say they don't need as much coverage as the pauldrons and backpack do that innately.

Also, sources say the added gorget on ml 8 was because earlier ones were a 'grenade trap' or shrapnel, not so much bullets but the same problem yes.

I forgot mk 8 had tassets, I apologize for not checking that sooner.

Ideally I'd like a hybrid of various marks but >muh tech heresy

>>48670778

I should add, I'd like to see traitor style gauntlets. Earlier marks have plates going over the wrist and back of the hand that arw atravged to the overall forearm segement ehich, while looking cool, can be a pain in the ass that gets in the way.

>>48666668
its because the tau drones were folded over 1000 times

>>48670866
>Mk 3 and 4 cover the abdomen mostly with a single piece

Which makes it much less maneuverable. Also, nothing really stops other marks from using similar plate. MkV, for example, is noted for sometimes having an additional plate on the torso for extra protection.

>it wraps around but from the back and sides

Not really. If you look at, say, the torso that comes in the tactical box, it has openings on the sides. The back of the gorget is just the normal SM torso raised neck protector.

>Aquila style helmets

MkVIII has its own helmet.

>'grenade trap'

High velocity projectiles, shrapnel or bullet. The helmet can't really armour its underside, because your head must fit into it, so the bottom is a weak point.

Also, it's not like the MkVIII is the only SM armour to have a gorget. Look at, say, Word Bearers Ashen Circle, who also have gorgets on their MkII(?) suits.

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>>48670892
Sternguard kit comes with some such arms and the DA ravenwing kit, I believe, exclusively has those types of gauntles.

>>48669334
he literally won't be able to bend his arms down once the armor goes on his upper arm. In fact I'm not even sure he can do it now.

Do terminators fight by holding their power fists out and spinning really fast?

>>48670992

>Which makes it much less maneuverable

Not any less maneuverable than a real life breastplate, mk 3 torso ends befire where youd bend at, mk 4 goes a bit past it a bit abd would be your actual trouble maker as it would impede bending down or over somewhat.

>>48671300
>Not any less maneuverable than a real life breastplate

But less maneuverable than the other marks that don't have a bit solid plate over your torso.

Terminator armor is actually larger, in fluff, than power armor. Anything that is above the head is just that: above your head. You're not having to haunch over while wearing it.

>>48671300
Lift with your legs brother.

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>>48668297
>Magnus armor has always looked pretty strange, then again, being strange was his thing.

If I remember right there was a blurb in old lore that Magnus was so fuckhuge the Mechanicus actually couldn't make power armor for a dude that size. (Presumably the energy requirements would have mandated making something more like a dreadnought or small knight rather than a set of armor or something.) As a result Magnus just wore a big-ass breastplate and left his arms bare.

That blurb's been quietly dropped but since Magnus already had a visual design by then, nobody's ever bothered to change it.

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>>48666380
What's with all the Viper posts lately?

>>48671386
In the new lore the hardest part would probably be looking directly at Magnus while taking measurements.

I suppose they would have to get another Primarch or the Emperor to do it for them.

>>48670221
Oh hey I made that shitty edit
>feelsgoodman.png

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I tried to draw a suit of termy armour that looks like someone could actually fit in it while keeping the overall aesthetic of the original.

>>48671599
Administratum Pattern, otherwise known as Skinnyfat Pattern.

Why can't GW sculptors get basic shit like anatomy and scale right? They can make cool bling for days but if you want them to just make a person they go DRRRR

>>48671780
Because from the inception of the game the scale is described as 'heroic', meaning certain features are exaggerated. This is compouded by the need to clearly show weapons and upgrades.

The real question is why can't their artists get their shit together if they want to keep making attempts at 'realistic' art.

>>48671780
Very often miniatures are not in realistic scale. If you took a real human and shrunk them to 28mm scale, they'd look like tiny stick figures and their guns would snap in half. Not good business. So you have to exaggerate certain bits.

Isn't there a thing where people draw hands too big or something? Or whenever you see the Statue of Liberty in movies, it's several times bigger than what it actually is. Like the Cloverfield scene where the head flies through the streets and it was made like much, much bigger than it actually is, because to people it just didn't look right.

>>48666306

They're called the Grey Knights nigga

>>48666544
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>>48671436
Why? Do Magnus also emanate a blinding light of psychic power?

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>>48671300
No, no it does not at all. An actual breastplate covers just the breast- your ribcage. Everything below that is comprised of the faulds. A breastplate that extends beyond your ribs not only jams up into your neck when you try to bend, but also prevents you from completely bending down to pick something up. MK 8, MK 7 and MK 6 are actually the 'realistic' power armor for the designs of the torso protection, because you could actually fucking move.

>>48670866
Space marines mix power armor together all the fucking time. You'll almost never see a space marine wearing a single power armor mark. Most suits are mixed.

>>48672147

I suppose you're right, anon. Wouldn't that make the tighter abdomen and waist segments of their armor 'bad', then, compared to proper faulds?

>>48672147

They still need to cover their hips, groin and thighs better, and ditch the power man diaper they have going on. Having it all be one piece saddled nect to their butts is probably not a good idea.

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>>48672416
>>48672438
Yes. As seen in 2, 3, and 4, power armor should be structured like Milanese 'White' armor. The breastplate is two pieces, with the lower portion covering the kidneys being much larger and overlapping with the upper breastplate, with a leather strap connecting the two. Power armor's lower section should be a big bulkier than the upper torso to provide protection of the waist and allow them to bend.

>>48670217
So mighty, so majestic

>>48666052
The explanation is that GW wanted to bring out a new terminator kit for 4th ed, but the market was saturated because the style was unchanged since 2nd edition and there had been cheap ways (space hulk) to get lots of them.

So they made them super huge, released the kit, ignored the complaints and then made the new base size a tourney requirement shortly after.

Because not once has GW hired artists who know anatomy

>>48672090
In Thousand Sons, Magnus appeared as a horrifying mass of impossible colours, shifting shapes, and immeasurable size to two remembrancers until their minds adjusted. Even after that they were physically impaired by just looking at him. I think Magnus suffers from Charizard syndrome like his father too.

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>>48666624
Genestealers really wrecked whatever they touched back in the day.

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>>48674291
Space marine hero profiles at the time.

Note unarmed S6 attacks did a -2 save mod, and you had to remove the specific individual casualties that the enemy was in base contact with, so if they reached your hero it was going to die (and in 2e, if that was your army commander, your whole army would then take a morale check). Terminators were special because even if they had trouble winning, they at least didn't die instantly.

>>48674265
meh he had that personal scribe following him around for years, you get used to the effect

>>48670120
You can run in the stumpy armour as well, it just looks like you're perpetually falling forward

>>48673623

That armour is meant for use on a horse though. It's optimised against attacks from below, which is why the belly goes over the chest rather than the other way round. It should be just as practical to have the plates arranged so the upper part goes over the lower.

The high peak in the middle is likewise to allow certain movements which are essential for a horseman, like leaning to the side to strike downwards at infantry. A soldier with a gun who doesn't expect to have a horse's neck straight in front of his torso probably wouldn't want armour optimised for that range of motion.

>>48675162
No, it allows for a full range of motion, I've seen dudes in it at events, there's no trouble with mobility besides getting a little unstable from the weight of your helmet while leaning down. If it was reversed you wouldn't be able to bend over because the bottom plate would cut into your stomach. White Armor was specifically made the way it was for that reason, and it wasn't cavalry armor, but general purpose.

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>>48670217

Best armor

>>48675676
Until GW puts them into their next HH box set and everyone and their dog is fielding them. Remember what happened to the MkIV. When FW came out with the Red Scorpions, it was all faggots could talk about and how it was the best, blaa blaa blaa. Now you're a pleb tier babby if you field MkIVs.

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>>48677869
Cannot unsee

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>>48678242
Ooga Booga

>>48678242
Anon, you did a mistake. Those tusks are probably actually tusks on that Termie.

>>48677809
>>48678242
>tusks
Because looking down simply wasn't enouogh a challenge as it was, right?

>>48679291
Chaos Termies do because horns can't really fit on their helmets, unless you have a helmet like Arraghast. Sometimes the tusks grow out of nowhere.

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>>48679291
How else are Chaos Terminators supposed to participate in each spring's headbutt clash for mates? A terminator without tusks cannot lock horns and win dominance for the right to choose a cultist.

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>>48679390
I like where this could head.
>A documentary on Terminators

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Good evening, Imperium of Man, I am Mr. Imperium, and today we are going to learn on the nature of Terminators. We have found ourselves a Blood Angel wearing terminator armor, and it looks like he heard the phrase "space hulk". He knows no fear, as an Angel of Death should, but it is believed that his thousand yard stare is because he heard "space hulk". This is mostly likely due to the space hulk Sin of Damnation, or due to the times where a space hulk nearly wiped out his chapter and the failed space hulk exploration six centuries before the Sin of Damnation arrived near his homeworld. He will either rip me and crew to shreds because he has entered the Black Rage, or he will return to his chambers and express himself through art. He can go either way as he is a Blood Angel.

>>48679846
This needs to be an animated series with Steve Irwin wandering through the bush finding random marines doing stuff.

"G'day everybody! We've got a lot of reely grite muhteree-ell to show ya tuhdie."
*Steve wanders over a ridgeline and quickly drops to the dirt. His head whips around to the camera showing a toothy grin*
"BLIMEY, it looks loyk we've stahmbled into eh nest of woild Blahk Leegion troops. Now stay bek. These guys ahr really nahsty when provoked. You see those groit big 'orns on their eads? Those are for myting...."

>>48668093
He skipped leg day.

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>>48670084

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How would one stat Steve Irwin for a 40k RPG, say, Deathwatch as an Inquisitor? I want to include him in a game so he can wrestle Chaos Terminators into submission.

>>48670217
We're about to hit a singularity point where the pauldrons will just become one giant pauldron.

>>48679390
>Arraghast
I want to play a Slaanesh follower in Black Crusade who wants to kill a Chaos Terminator and grind up and snort his tusks. Say that the specific adamantium-ceramite-whatever mixture used for the tusks combines to make an insanely intense drug.

>>48679846
This is a sort of random place to ask this but when a blood angel enters the Black Rage, is it just a permanent state of generic bloodlust and franzied berserk rage, or do they actually think that they're on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit and that every enemy they see is Horus?

Would they ever start screaming about everything Dad did for them during battle?

>>48683242
I can just imagine some noble or magos who got their son accepted, lived to see him become a space marine, and on one battle he shares with his son he goes into the black rage or red thirst, and starts talking about how his father is the greatest and his opponents should be ashamed for going against him.

>>48670101
post more SM helping children

>>48670042
In Space Hulk boardgame, in a briefing and rules there were bits of lore here and there. I remember reading that terminators had shared videofeedback to coordinate their assaults better.

>>48682641
kek

>>48683057
Well for starters I would think he'd work with some assasin rules. There's already a clan of assassin in 40k dedicated to information gathering in the field. Steve Irwin would have the training needed to go toe to toe with CSM and live long enough to get the holovids broadcast imperium wide.

>>48682329
Hilarious, but I feel like we have done Steve Irwin in space a lot already.

>>48683057
Tau mantas have preferred enemy when targeting him

>>48683057
Look at Enemies Without for 2e.

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TERMINATOR DEATH SQUAD
WATCHIN NIGGAS DROP
TERMINATOR DEATH SQUAD
WATCH TRAITAS POP
BLOOD ON THE GROUND
THEIR PANTS TURNIN BROWN
TERMINATOR DEATH SQUAD
BACK IN TOWN

>>48683242
They generally think they are sang, and that they are surrounded by black legion, cultists and the enemy leader is horus. Due to this they tend to murder hobo anyone not in the armour of fellow blood angels.

That's how I like to think of it, the strength and resolve / ability to fight through mortal wounds is them doing what sang did on the vengeful spirit, kept fighting murdering the lackeys of horus (the justerine ) as the fighting on enough to wound Horus even asure he was torn limb from limb; a mewling torso the only remains for the emperor to see, his wings and limbs strewn around the command deck.

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>>48687319
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO