MTG Standard Thread

>>48653564

>tfw the lumberjack

Should I trade liliana for like 3 lumberjacks?

>>48653564
Know when coverage starts back up?

>like bant, green, white, humans
>they're all 100% cancer decks right now
Fuck, I almost want them to be terrible again so I can play them without having my wallet or my feelings hurting

>>48654475
Hah no.
Lil will be strong and valued as long as black is playable in standard, while Not-Garuke will only be worth while as long as delerium is strong. Delerium will be getting stronger with keledesh so he'll probably see play, but if he sees play so will Lil.
I'd get maybe one or two copies but don't stock up.

>>48653564
how would something like the temur emerge deck we saw in the pro tour fare against a w/r human aggro deck, it only runs like 3 to 4 kozileks return as removal and 4 of those gnarlwood dryads as early blockers.
it seems to me that you would have to get extremly lucky on your draws to get kozileks fast enough to kill his board.

WUR humans WW@?

Should I dump my Lili for a few modern staples now, or should I wait until Kaladesh?

>got an Emrakul from Sealed, considered selling it for the 14$ it was worth but decided against it
>now it's like 30$

is now a good time to sell?

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>Grim Flayer is on the rise
Crap, my LGS hasn't been able to get any for the last five days.

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Where do you buy singles? I want to start playing standart and looking for a place to order the whole deck from. I tried TCGplayer but they don't ship internationally. What do?

>>48656097
wait until after it's in the final today

>>48653564
>tfw only 2 bant humans decks showed up at the pt

Welp, time to just go full cancer and bant company

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>>48653564
3-0 against Bant company so far with this deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-08-16-ODb-gr-dragons/

>>48658611
>internationally
Magic Card Market.

>>48656097

I sold one for dirt at my LGS two weeks ago cause I opened two and a third foil

now im fucking loaded bb

>>48658752

I just hate how they feel the need to repeatedly talk about how bant isnt the big boogy man when in reality it was still the most represented and its obvious wizards coerced the field into playing GB delerium to sell product.

>>48659890

I'm not a conspiracy person dude, but I think that players played GB delirium because it's a good deck. It just isn't as good as bant company.

I´m trying to change my old u/r prowess for the current standard. Went through my cards and found only those first -

Fevered Visions
Mercurial Geists
Curious Homunculus
Sanguinary Mage
Weaver of Lightning
Thermo-Alchemist
Rush of Adrenaline

Could anyone recommend a few cards? Maybe a few blue ones? I´m planning on replacing the tarkir and origins cards with them.

>>48659942
Bedlam Reveler.

>>48659942
>>48660030
Stormchaser mage, Fiery Temper+Lightning Axe for great justice, Shreds of sanity, Negate to fuck with CoCo, spell shatter.

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>Only 1 deck in the top8 doesn't use Green
G STRONK

>>48660232
Where are my testicles Summer?

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>>48660245
Knew I should've named the file that

>>48660260
Yeah, Lupine prototype is a potentially really strong card though, you can actually use it as removal if you combine it with prey upon and/or clear shot for some nice powerful removal.

have meld cards worked out well for anyone?

>>48656097
holy shit, that was my promo card

>>48660930
Rats/Scavengers are okay in draft.
Hanweir Battlements is solid, and Garrison is good enough to play in decks with Battlements.
Gisela is good on her own, Bruna is meh. There might be an Eldritch Evo deck out there to make it happen.

>>48653564
>Liliana is 50$

Wew

>>48656097
It's actually $35. It'll be like $50 after it wins the pro tour.

>>48661565
$45 actually. Foils of either liliana or newrakul will fetch over $70 though.

Why is lili so expensive?

>>48662552
Because everyXB deck in the pro tour is using her, and I mean EVERY deck.

>>48662552
Because she's a good 3 drop Walker despite what /tg/ says

>>48662552
Because in Standard "midrange the grindening" Format a 3 drop planeswalker that can generate value from grabbing back den protectors and den protectors grabbing whatever you want you can just value your opponent out of the game. Also her +1 is decent and she threatens to win the game eventually via ult.

>>48662690
>3 drop Walker

Isn't that what makes her playable? That and she ticks all the boxes of what makes walkers good.
>She acts as removal
>doesn't die to bolt
>is less than 4cmc
>protects herself
>provides persistent pseudo-card advantage
>Removal for them is patchy and they can be hard to remove profitably when played on curve

This current lili is very good indeed. I sold mine for 40 bux the other day and now I'm beginning to wonder if that was the wrong idea lol.

While I like some walkers in terms of their design, I am not a huge fan of their existence.

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>>48662552
>>48662347
>>48662189
>>48661565
Wait so the liliana I am currently using in an edh deck is $50? Does this mean I keep it or sell it?

>>48662889
Sell it. Other Lilis are better for EDH.

does anyone have 2 avacyns they could send on puca?

I don't care, I'm calling it The Rock. I know The Rock when I see one. And BG Delirium is a Rock deck with graveyard synergies. Finally. The Rock has come back to Standard.

>>48664169
CAN YOU SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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>Wizards shilling that Standard is diverse
>Everyone pointing out these new decks popping up
>LSV shows up and just deep decks every fucking person with Bant Company

I guess other decks just don't have enough value

>>48664390
I wish block constructed was a supported format. Yes, I am actually wishing that all sets were still in print.

Yes, I know.

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>>48664455
Theres always casual with friends

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>>48664390
It's probably just because lsv is the best there ever was

My friend is trying to get me back into standard, is there a decent control deck in the meta right now?

>>48664568
Either black white or esper are okay

>>48664568
>>48664582
I'm partial to esper better sideboard against all the emrakul decks

>>48664169
>main card is Ishkana
>boss creature makes tokens
>sacrificing creatures for value

This is the closest thing we have to the original rock deck yet, out of the last 15 years.

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>>48664568
BW control and UR Eldrazi Control works right now. There's also this for your timmy dic

>>48664598
I know
absolutely zero about the current standard meta, havent's played since RTR/Theros
>>48664582
esper sounds good, very grindy reactive UW decks are my favorite

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>>48664691
You should definitely look into Esper then

RIP LSV

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LSV just lost now I'm sad af guys

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>>48662690
Cards that /tg/ thought sucked.

>Baby Jace
>Scrylands
>Isknah
>New Emrakul

Feel free to add your own.

>>48664992
Scry lands were and are shit, but those other three cards I was saying was good to begin with

I'm forcing a starfield of Nyx deck in standard. Enchantment destruction seems pretty weak outside of dromoka's command and I'll be running so many enchantments that I won't often be losing anything huge.

Wincons are probably a singleton of Sorin, Ob Nixilis and Avacyn.

For the more aggressive decks (Bant and/or Spirits) I've got dead weight and wasteland strangler + silkwrap but I'm not sure what to use against these sorts of decks in the top 8 (BW control, RG ramp, etc...). Stasis Snare hits Emrakul but I think I need more answers.

Is Gideon any good in the format right now?

>>48664992
not a card but there's the memorable dissing of every tricolor deck as unplayable. in the innistrad spoiler season.

>>48665083
Did I play against you on xMage like, eight hours ago?

>>48664992
>goblin rabblemaster
>jeskai ascendancy
>thassa, god of the sea
>master of waves

/tg/ is retarded, f@m

>>48665015
>Scry lands were and are shit
No.

>>48665083
I was forcing that deck before theros rotated out, junk topping out with doomwake and elspeth and stalling out with courser and nyx ram, Chad is pretty bad imo

>>48665140
When were they good?

>>48665148
I now realise that our decks really weren't that alike

>>48665111
No. I haven't played online since like, DTK.

>>48665148
I'm going for a very creature light build, mostly removal in Stasis Snare, Imprisoned in the Moon, Dead Weight, Silkwrap etc... Supplant that with Anguished Unmaking and Declaration in Stone and then add board wipes (I'm currently testing out x2 Languish and a singleton Planar Outburst to get around Spell Quellers). I've got Oath of Jace/Liliana to offer sac options to Dromoka's Command and then Lunar Force, Scatter to the Winds and Dispel for some permission.

So before she leaves I'm going to make kolaghan work anyone got any ideas

>>48665167
When pro players found room for them even in the height of four color Khans decks.

>>48665268
Getting play isn't the same as being good friendo

>>48664992
How is Isknah good?

>>48665280
It is in standard. Which is the most played format.

>>48654475
She's 45 dollars. I highly doubt she'll reach Jace levels of insanity. If you're not using her, I'd sell now for store credit and pick up the axe man after his prices starts to go down.

>>48665291
It isn't. It's a worse Pia and Kiran but green is by far the strongest color in standard right now.

>>48665291
Have you watched any coverage today?

>>48665313
They were definitely was just okay when they were in standard

>>48665325
Not getting countered by spell queller is a nice upside

>>48665335
Never said they were great. But they were pretty much ubiquitous in standard the entire time they were legal.

That seems that would qualify as 'good' to me.

>>48665353
Yes, and not being able to consistently get tokens on turn 5 is a not so nice downside.

There are certainly enough differences between the cards to note pros/cons but P&K is definitely the stronger card.

>>48665384
They weren't really relevant until khans beyond just getting scry value with mono b mono u and UW being on top and shocks still being legal, and they were used pretty slimly after near the end of there time

>>48665405
Have you been watching coverage delium can easily be online turn 4 friendo

>>48665420
I will admit I wasn't playing during khans fate reforged tho

apart from the delirium build thats getting played at the PT, what are some good ways to make the G/R ramp shell work in the current meta?

>>48665429
Can also means cannot. P&K is much more reliable when it comes to getting tokens. Yes, right now, if you dedicate your deck to turning on delirium, you can get your tokens on turn 5. P&K also isn't vulnerable to graveyard hate and has seen [albeit limited] play in Modern.

Again, the two cards are different enough that one is not strictly better or worse than the other, but P&K is both the stronger and better card.

>>48665448
Quick glance says 45 in top 8 Khans PT and 0 in Fate PT.

Really hit both ends of the spectrum.

>>48654475
axe man is bad, sylvan advocate is better. notice the game that just got played where grim flayer was completely useless because, no delirium (Sam pardee v lukas blohon round 3)

>>48665254
imprisoned in the moon is a bad removal spell.

>>48665325
>2/2
>no reach
>adds 2 1/1 fliers that can't drain
>red

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Gentlemen.

How to we fix pic related?

>>48665472
Anon, you can't compare these cards completely in a vacuum. Ishkanah shines in the delirium shells yes, but she's seeing play in decks that aren't delirium focused e.g. gw tokens. Graveyard hate is a non factor in this standard environment, there is not a single card that is being played in sideboards that messes with the opponents yard in a significant way. Ishkanah provides way more value and stats than p&k do. The negligible risk pays off to a greater reward. Also, modern play does not make a card more powerful than another in standard.

>>48665714
Neither of today's grand finals decks have it.

Only one of the top four decks has it.

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Lilliana sucked they said. She wasn't a threat they said.

>>48665991
I never thought that she sucked but everyone was pissy about her not having a +1 discard


I damn well knew that Lily would be a problem when her +1 can shrink a creature by 2 power and put her at 4 loyalty at the same time, might even be modern playable at this point depending on the meta there

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>tfw can't make it to gameday
>tfw really want that mat
>probably wouldn't win anyways
Why couldn't Lili Last Hope be on an ultra pro mat, not the gameday? They almost always fucking put the walker arts on mats but not this time for whatever reason.

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>>48666088
What are you talking about, this mat looks great.

Can't win Gameday? Buy it on Ebay.

>>48655820
Finished a list, rate me lads

4x Thraben Inspector
3x Town Gossipmonger
4x Gryff's Boon

4x Declaration in Stone
4x Incendiary Flow
4x Thalia's Lieutenant

3x Always Watching
3x Hanweir Garrison
4x Reflector Mage
1x Thalia, Heretic Cathar

2x Ojutai's Command

That makes room for 24 lands. How should I construct my landbase?

>Losing the final game due to mana screw

Holy fuck thats heartbreaking

>>48666160
fuck that douche bag.

>>48666160
GLORY TO BLOHON

>>48666160
Normally I'd agree with you but It was Turtenwald so he deserves it.

>>48666110
This pretty much, half the stores wont even have a gameday despite being sent the supplies, they'll end up on ebay en masse.

BW control won I'm so happy I knew it was a good deck

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Good Job WotC, you finally printed a good card.

>Emrakul deck ravages top 8
>Gets stomped in by a horde of 2/2 vanilla zombies raised by Liliana in the finals
>Exactly as described in the story

The amount of flavor overflowing in these finals is just delicious.

I just bought an Eldritch booster box and I'm wanting to build a green/black deck. New to standard.. What mechanics should I focus on for that color combo? Are there any good budget Golgari standard decks out there?

>>48666224
The only way it could have had more flavor was if Emrakul mindslavered an opponent with Tamiyo on the battlefield and cast Imprisoned in the Moon on itself.

>>48666260

Wait, i havent read the story, mah wifu is ded?

>>48666258
>Bought a box
>can I build a deck

>>48666214
Is Lilliana really that good? A week ago everyone on /tg/ was telling me she was crap and wouldn't be played much outside standard.

>>48666267
Who's your waifu, Emmy or Tamiyo? Either way the answer is no.

>>48666276
what's your issue? it's not as if I'm not going to buy the singles I'm missing.

>>48666278
/tg/ is shit at magic.

>>48666278
New Lili isnt LotV in terms of power, but I think new Lili will find a home or two in Modern. She'd get raped in Legacy, though

>>48666267
No.

>Nahiri calls Emmy
>Knocked around with Lillian's zombie
>Looks around and see's that Innistrad isn't quite ripe for eating
>Calls Jace a faggot
>Mindslavers Tamiyo and rewrite Tammy's scrolls to make a spell that seals herself in the moon for a nap.
>Gatewatch didn't stop shit
>Emmy will be back to fuck shit up on her clock, fuck you Nahiri

Rate my U/R good stuff deck and help me improve it.

// Instants

2 Lightning Axe
4 Anticipate
2 Unsubstantiate
2 Uncaged Fury
4 Titan's Strength
2 Adrenaline Rush
3 Expedite

// Sorceries

2 Collective Defiance
3 Avacyn's Judgment
1 Exquisite Firecraft

// Creatures 15

4 Stormchaser Mage
2 Jori En
2 Reckless Bushwacker
4 Thermoalchemist
3 Abbot of Keral Keep

// Lands 20

4 Wandering Fumarole
2 Shivan Reef
Mountains
Islands

I want to bring this to Gameday due to the lack of explosive aggro decks in my LGS. Everything is midrange / control.

I've been trying to get my hands into some Incendiary Flows but they seem to be unexistant in the 3 boxes that have been already opened over there, no one has them.

What else should i get for my deck?

>>48666278
Its a joke anon...

Treasure Cruise and Dig are really that powerful though, according to WotC anyway.

>>48664992
I still think the spider is overall bad. Bur in a world of spirits, and Reflector Mages and going wide, she's... Appropriate.

>>48666331
will her price rise of fall in the coming months though? She seems to have shot up

>>48666372
>I still think the spider is overall bad. Bur in a world of spirits, and Reflector Mages and going wide, she's... Appropriate.


You need to stop viewing cards through the eternal lens. If it's "appropriate" for the current standard it is by definition "good" for standard.

>>48666331
This.

Vastly underrated by many people before her release, but she will not hold up in legacy.

I'd love to be proven wrong; a horde of 2/2 vanilla zombies blowing over Delver or miracles would be hilarious as fuck. But I just don't see it happening.

>>48666374
She'll go up cause of the hype now, but she'll settle to $20-30 range if she gets played in modern. Wizards have ramped up their card printing greatly since Khans. Almost no card post-Khans will be more expensive than $50, except for lands maybe.

>>48666372
>bad
>appropriate for standard

pick one.

>Thinking NewLili will find home in Modern when she is sharing the same CMC as LotV.

I dont see that happening senpai.

>>48666399
She jumped to $50 before this weekend's top 8.

She may be able to hit $100 for next week but will come down quickly, especially if Lily decks don't top in the next few weekends. Expect her to settle at $50-60 though.

Btw Flip Jace was worth $90 once and thats post-khans.

>>48666278
That hasn't changed. I mean, she has to compete with LotV. She's good. In Standard.

>>48666432
>Btw Flip Jace was worth $90 once and thats post-khans.

Keyword: was

I have yet to see a single post-Khans card that has rotated out of standard and has stayed above the $50.00 mark. Hell, none of them are above $30.00 right now on TCGplayer.

Short-term spikes (standard cards) mean nothing in the long, long history of Magic.

Does G/B werewolves in STD competitive make sense right now?

>>48666509
Ugin will be worth $50+ in a few years.

>>48666267
Emrakul got summoned/tricked into going to Innistrad because of Nahiri fucking with the plane's leylines.

She shows up, starts to mess with the plane, realizes it's not actually ready to get converted yet (whether this means converted into energy or converted/rebirthed as a whole new plane no one knows), mildslaver's Tamiyo, rewrites one of the iron banded scrolls while it's still scrolled/sealed up, and seals herself in the moon to take a nap until Innistrad is ready to get om nommed.

>>48664992
Liliana.

>>48666729
Emrakul is the worst loser ever

>HAH, I was actually TRYING to lose!
>Y-you guys didn't succeed, I actually won in the end!
>Heh, see you in a little when I win...

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>>48664992

People give the spider too much credit

>>48664992
>siege fucking rhino

I honestly don't know why I come here anymore. /tg/ is literally one of the worst places to discuss magic.

>>48666295
>it's not as if I'm not going to buy the singles I'm missing.

So like 95% of your deck?

How often is the new Lili used in standard? Would like to know how fast I can sell my two copies of her. One foil and one normal.

>>48665685

>imprisoned in the moon is a bad removal spell.

No it isn't, it's one of the best cards for dealing with manlands, especially Lumbering Falls in particular.

>>48668553
Well I had no problem making a U/R deck aside from some extra rares I'll have to buy + The few innistrad cards needed. My brother's werewolf deck on tappedout already has most of its cards out of the boosters. I guess we got lucky. We also pulled a foil liliana and some other cool stuff.

Anyway anon you're a faggot and there's no reason anyone can't build a fun deck out of a booster box.

>>48668269
Yeah 6/11 reach between 4 bodies for 5 mana is getting to much credit

I like cool looking cards with realistic macabre/violent themes on them. Similar to the one in the OP. I have some yigioh cards like this that I enjoy. I hate faggy fluffy type cards. I'm not interesting in power gaming. I want two decks like this for fun but capable play to play with my brother.

Where do I start? I have no idea. I'm doing this off a whim I don't even know what MTG is beyond this thread and that some assburgers power game tournaments with it. Red pill me on mtg

>>48669030

>delirium

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>>48669047
If you like yu-gi-oh MTG is a much better game.
Take your brother into a large hobby shop near you, tell them you want to start out they should give you some 'intro pack' cards and rules.
buy a deckbuilders toolkit it'll have 300ish cards to get you guys started.

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Dont worry everyone, I have solved the meta.

Trying to figure out where I can squeeze in a Chandra or two, but dunno. Deck seems really solid, and I end up spending most of my mana every turn anyway without a big mana sink.

>inb4 Dromoka's Command
Yeah well, shut up.

So reading this thread i wanted to ask why people dislike Owen Turtenwall so much?

I don't follow the pro-scene that much so i don't know much about it.

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>>48659942
Thermo alchemist is ridiculous i feel bad in free for alls my buddy made sure to swing at me with all his creatures just so i would go down with him

So is better Walker removal going to be needed in Kaladesh?

Maybe the Delirium players will realize that To the Slaughter is actually useful in their deck?

>>48669366
https://youtu.be/rsgNrZCuhaA?list=PL3rP64NRtmbghYk5DcdcsqjVFEPOFfmXe&t=3472

>>48669130
>one of the easiest threshold abilities out there
>Gets played in literally every green pro tour deck and performs fantastic every game.
>Provides blockers for flying and selfless spirit.

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>>48668269
The spider is garbage for standard thats why its so cheap

>>48668754
>there's no reason anyone can't build a fun deck out of a booster box

It isn't a practical use of your money anon. Unless your deck consists of bulk commons and uncommons, you will not find the singles you need to build a competitive standard deck out of 1 booster box.
It would have been a better investment to just buy the singles to build your deck.

>>48669459
>Buy the singles
You mean spend five booster boxes worth of money on 75 cards?

>>48655501
It would get completely shitstomped. Owen's deck is incredibly greedy, every game he didn't mill kozileks return he lost and sometimes he lost even with flash backing it 3 times.

Any deck that actually plays multiple early creatures would roll it over, it's just that all the aggro gets murdered by CoCo and languish so there was virtually none present

Seriously. It's so slow it allowed liliana to get to emblem multiple times, sometimes even with her not being played.

Gideon came down on 4, made a 2/2, then turned into a 5/5 for two turns and that was too much damage for his deck to deal with. Kalitas was bigger than emrakul.

Any deck that actually plays 1 and 2 drops, let alone w/r humans which will do shit like turn 1 kytheon turn 2 thalias lieutenant turn 3 orchid dragon hunter 4 always watching expedition guide

>>48670083
Sometimes not being played turn 3*

>>48653564
do you guys think there will be new ramp green ramp spells in kaladesh?
im looking at the temur emerge list and really want to play it but im not sure if its worth it at this point with nissa's pilgrimage and gather the pack rotating out soon'ish.
or are there any cards in the battle for zendikar block and forward that you could sub in for those after rotation?

>>48670271
* i dont really mean pure ramp but stuff that gets me lands and fills my graveyard

Alright, R/B Aggro vampires

Almost certainly main deck:

Olivia, Mobilized for War
Olivia's Dragoon
Fiery Temper
Falkenrath Gorger
Stromkirk Condemned
Lightning Axe
Ultimate Price


Maybe main deck?
Asylum Visitor
Stromkirk Occultist
Incendiary Flow
Bloodhall Vampire
Insolent Neonate
Collective Brutality
Furyblade Vampire

Sideboard stuff

Duress
Virulent Plague
Avacyn's Judgement
Ruinous Path

>>48669489
Yes

>>48666364
Too many combat tricks. Expidite/adrenaline rush/Titans strength is just overkill if you're trying to push through damage. Much better imo to pack 4x fiery temper, which is more flexible and can go dome when your opponent locks down the board. Undated fury is much better for pushing through damage on the ground, definitely a x4.

Right now your wincon seems weak, with early damage through combat tricks on a creature or two and finishing it off with some spells/thermo alchemists to ping away the rest when your opponent caches up on the board?

Incendiary flows are heavily underrated right now and good luck finding them. They seem to be on a whole other tier of uncommon rarity.

Also look at putting in x4 insolent neonates. Great 1 drop, and they'd work amazingly with x4 fiery tempers I mentioned. Best part is they are great chump blockers when your opponent gets a board presence and you can't sneak damage through -> they swing with a 5/5 Gideon -> block with neonate->sac before damage -> firery temper for R to deal 3 to face -> draw a card. They help buy you time in the mid game to top deck and help you dig. A really incredible 1 drop for aggro decks.

>>48665532
Fate PT was modern...
They saw a ton of play because basically all dual lands see play in standard, but they're pretty good as far as duals go. I'd much rather have temples than the shitty lands in shadows.

>>48669331
you have to play oath of jace and oath of chandra so you can sac them to dromoka's command, for real
Also please play spell shrivel or void shatter instead of convolute, my autism can't take it

>>48666539
And monastery mentor. Once fate becomes harder to get ahold of expect these two to skyrocket in value. Ugin is played almost everywhere and Mentor is an entire vintage archetype. Remember that shocklands were cheap once RTR roared but are starting to climb back up.

>>48665291
>5 mana in a slow standard
>6/11 worth of power/toughness in tokens
>all with reach
>safely blocks all of the relevant fliers except Emrakul

>>48665714
Give it Flash and Hexproof while you are at it.

>>48666128
Nothing?

>>48666278

The problem with card prices is that in the near term standard determines them. So even if something isn't good in eternal formats it can still be expensive. A lot of mis-assessments lately are stemming from nobody being able to diagnose the power level of standard correctly. Flip Jace isn't good in old formats, and isn't even good in some standard formats. But he is more powerful than everything available in khans standard. Lili is very likewise. She's not better than gideon, but she isn't shit and there's nothing at that cmc to compete with her in those decks. She'll be cheap when she rotates out, just like jace.

Colours by how fun they are to play:

1. Red
2. Blue
3. Black
4. Green
5. White

>>48672671
Colors by how fun they are to play against:

1. Green
2. Black
3. White
4. Red
5. Blue

>>48672729
Woah, it's almost mirrored!

Neat!

>>48672736
Why do you think that is?

>>48664992
To be real, I thought Grim Flayer and the Delirium deck in general was not good. I put Grim Flayer seperate because the idea was that he wasn't necessarily just good in the Delirium deck. His ability reminded me a lot of Jace, the Living Guildpact's absolutely fucking awful + ability and people correctly recognized that as shit, and I didn't think it being on a 2 color bear made it that much better. I thought Ishakanah gave good value but it was more on the basis that I didn't think Delirium was very good.

I can see Spirits being a really oppressive and miserable deck to play against, will probably appear with kaladesh. Spell Queller and Reflector Mage in standard at the same time? Ugh. And you won't be able to hit the Spell Queller what with Rattlechains and tricks using Essence Flux. Hell, stick Thought-Knot in there too. It'll combine control with a deck of potent flyers. Can't play removal, can't keep stuff on the table, can't keep cards in your hand, can't block stuff. I'm surprised we're not suffering already.

>>48673227
because colors that involve interaction outside of draw go are fun to play against since you can actually see what they are doing and can logically think out the best pattern of play while playing against draw go is more of a guessing game and involves little on board interaction in favor of hand interaction and preemptive play, reacting to what they will do rather than what they have done

on the inverse playing blue and red is much more fun because you get to be the cunt that only plays reactively and forces your opponent to just guess what you are trying to do while you play draw go and or no interaction burn and solitaire out your win

I actually disagree with the first list though I find green black and white to be quite a bit more fun than red and blue since I like interaction on both sides of the board

>grafwidow saw more play than grim flayer
feeling quite lit tbqh famalamadingdong

>>48673327
I like playing jeskai but not jeskai control fuck that

>Built a silly Jeskai Prowess/Control deck over the weekend
>Had lots of fun fiddling around with it as Thalia and tons of nuke spells kept friends' decks to a standstill until a swarm of Prowess fuckers or Chandra poured elementals all over their face
>But know I could make the deck so many times better if I just made UR Prowess, UW Spirits or some variety of Madness build

I'm not really shooting to be a special snowflake or some bullshit but the current decks just feel to lack any real finesse that I'm aching for.

>>48673896
Jeskai is fun because of its flexibility and general chaotic nature.

Will the next set make white viable?

>>48673969

>implying WW humans aren't viable right now

You should be more worried about it not being viable anymore.

>>48674000
I just want busted equipment to abuse with Sigarda's Aid. If Kaladesh doesn't deliver I will be sad.

>>48673327

>tfw people forget that the true draw-go isn't interactive at all.

It isn't interaction if only one person interacts (while the other can only watch). It's just eggs tier masturbation.

Just pointing out senpai.

>>48674056
>It isn't interaction if only one person interacts (while the other can only watch)

The main problem is that the only decks that can interact with counters are decks with counters. And barring VERY few exceptions, all playable counters in Magics history have been blue.

Richard Garfield had the wrong idea. WotC should have released strong counterspells in every color. Just tie them to whatever is the color's theme ("GG - Counter target spell with mana cost equal to or less than the combined power of creatures you control") but make them all strong enough to fight each other.

>>48674462
>The main problem is that the only decks that can interact with counters are decks with counters

I honestly don't understand this statement. The only time it's true in the slightest is if *all* you are trying to do is jam one single spell per turn, in which case you're really not playing Magic very well.

You interact with counters by baiting them, by utilising abilities, by making them sit uselessly in hand by not even playing a spell if you don't have to. They cannot always have a counter and a kill spell held up, it simply cannot happen.

>>48674881
by interact, read as "directly interact"

a good control player will know when they're being baited, as well as have answers to the things that don't get countered

objectively, when played at optimal efficiency, draw go control is the best archetype in the game because of its ability to answer anything with the wide variety of answers that MTG has

So what happens when you unpack a Tamiyo and have no interest bant, where the fuck do people sell cards

>>48673965

Yeah it was fun using Narset Transcendent to Rebound an Ojutai's Command to bring back two Abbots of Keral Keep as a way to get some psuedo card draw.

>>48673312
> the next set will make spirits viable!
Haven't people been saying this for like five sets now?

Aren't spirits viable right now?

>>48675347

Yeah, u/w spirits is pretty good. Not the best, but definitely acceptable. As long as you're willing to give Reflector Mage honorary spirit status. Best black man in standard.

>>48675084

To be fair, control isn't fantastic in standard at the moment. It's not bad. Tempo and midrange are far and away better archetypes for standard at the moment.

>>48675119
I'll buy it for 5 bucks

What could replace hangarback walker in a mardu dragons/control deck?

>>48675823
>To be fair, control isn't fantastic in standard at the moment. It's not bad. Tempo and midrange are far and away better archetypes for standard at the moment.

Control won the protour yesterday.

>>48676805
It wasn't Draw-Go which was the type of control being discussed

I don't mind tap-out control. The other player at least can resolve spells and play around the fact that the opponent does not have any mana up. Tap-out also tends to have at least a little bit of a board presence which is more interesting to play against

>>48676805

Law of averages, one decklist in a myriad of other decks that work great, and bw angels isn't draw-go, non-interactive control, nor do they use counters. They answer some stuff until they crush you with a giant creature. Which you can interact with.

Are there any quality, active forums for standard talk?

/tg/ and leddit have been failing me with slow non-competetive dribble.

>>48675347
They are, but much of the go-to removal in the format is either exiling or -4/-4ing ever creature they see which kind of nullifies selfless spirit's protection. Also, the deck falls apart mid to late game if your opponent has enough answers and pressure to your counters and tempo plays. Top decking with spirits is atrocious and even more so when you have no board presence. In a vaccuum it's great and can easily take control of a game, but against the meta, things either go too fast and wide, grind you out through attrition or plow through you the creatures that quite frankly offer much more when they enter play. Without any decent draw power in standard, or even cantrips save for an ojutai's command here or there, playing tempo/control is not viable to be top tier.

>>48675823
I feel like reflector mage would be utterly outclassed in a spirits shell if wizards didn't try so damn hard to make it nigh impossible to plop spooky ghost tokens at instant speed. I think there's like 3; haunted dead, that intro pack foil from shadows, and the vessel enchantment, all of which are overcosted and/or inefficient for what you want them for.

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>>48674051
Have you looked at Sigarda's Aid + battle mastery in the oath equipment shell? It almost starts to feel like a prowess deck with staying power.

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>>48678459
>That pic

>>48677817
Mtgsalvation ain't bad

>>48674051
You nigga's uderestimate Captain's Claws. I've being playing with it and allies since Oath came out and it's turning out great. You will never taste the felling of hitting for 7 with a equiped manland and leaving a token on the field after eating a boardwipe without a card in your hand.

>>48655990
I'm no expert but I think this will be her peak price. Shes very good, but I don't think she's $50 good. I think she'll stabilize around $30-35, $40 maybe if she sees moderate play in modern

>>48681798
Post decklist

Lets talk about Thermo-Thing and how it is our choice for gameday. If you bring anything other then this list you are either cancer or a horrible player.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-ur-thermo-thing#online

>>48664562

Jokes aside LSV is legit really good at cube draft

>>48682556
Nah, Ill stick with my own UR Brew
>>48669331

>>48666278

She likely won't be played outside of standard

>>48682993
>won't be played out of standard
>literally chilling in my zombie edh tribal right now

Hmmm

Gentlemen. How do I make red white work in standard right now

>>48683124
RW humans is gaining steam, try using the hanweir combo

>>48683134
I tried the hanweir but it wasn't complete humans. Maybe going full humans is the way

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>>48653564

how did the pro tour results enhance your collection /tg/? happy or disappointed?

>>48683142
I'm doing WUR humans with reflector mage, thalia's lieutenant, hanweir garrison, thraben inspector, always watching, some red killspells (like incendiary flow), ojutai's command, etc.

Need some ideas? Post your list.

>>48683161
I was gonna make jeskai originally but I couldn't quite figure it out. This is the latest iteration of what I'm building.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rw-hanweir-1/

>>48683203
What I'm noticing:

You don't have a clear win condition. You have secure the wastes > ormendahl, nahiri ult > ulamog, Brisela, it's all over the place. It doesn't have a clear path to victory or any specific battle plan. If you're making a deck, it should have only one obvious win combo. Making too many obvious win combos gets your opponent on edge and makes them feel inclined to push a shitload of removal.

Flavor yes, but it just doesn't seem to "meld" correctly together given that its win conditions are many but so obvious to tell.

>>48668633
lumbering falls scenario is literally the only good target for that in standard, aaaand they keep the land.

>>48681798
the impact tremors decks is good with it.

what can i replace jace with in the URthing deck?

can anyone tell me why Turtenwald is generally considered an asshole? I hear it all the time but I've never known him doing anything douchey besides that goyfgate tweet.

>>48683999
How many times are you going to post this shit? You even made a thread specifically to throw shit at Turtenwald. If you hate him so much, go do something about it, but stop fucking whining around us.

I want to play Red. MonoRed RDW lacks some key pieces right now and some of it will rotate out soon. Still not very competitive. I thought RB Vampire Madness deck looked cool but it seems like it's not competitive at all right now.
Should I spend $80 on cards for RB vamps/RDW style deck right now?

>only play one match because a friend came over since EMN
>bant humans looks like it's gonna be garbage now
>don't have a lot of dosh

Is this the end of my standard run, or could I still be competitive with bant humans?

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>>48685903
Sorry friend, but unless you can keep up with rotations, the Standard format of Magic the Gathering™ just isn't for you!

>>48685876
You want to play the one colour that's completely unplayable in standard.

>>48685876
Just play Modern.

>>48685903
>wanting to play standard with no money
Welcome to trading card games. Unless you throw dosh into that money vacuum, you can't play standard.

>>48683159

foil emrakul and my korean box is still on its way.

is traverse worth money now? Been in my unsleeved garbage GB emerge deck.

>>48686387
>
I would need upwards of $250 for the basic build without lands. And I'm not sure how competitive it's going to be.

>>48686326
Post-rotation though?

>>48685876
UR Goggles has been around and it gets a lot of pieces with EMN in. I would also assume that there'll be something in Kaladesh to replace the namesake card, frankly. Though it's possible Wizards will fuck that up.

Hey guys. Recently seen that Magic is doing some Cthulu like stuff and it piqued my interest. Which Eldritch Moon intro pack should I get so I can atleast not get completely served at my local card shop FNM? It's a college town, so people probably have money to throw around when it comes to buying cards.

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>>48685903
Bant Humans is still pretty amazing and probably by far the best deck in the Meta, but it's not Cawblade enough to be completely unable to be hated out.
Most of the Pro Tour decks were pretty much "defeat Bant Company.dek" even Ishkanah saw play.
Probably it will be more fun to play it once Kaladesh shows up and you'll be able to drop your Lumbering Falls without hearing "not again".
You should show up more in your LGS though.

>>48687238
The intro packs aren't gonna be quite competitive, Standard-wise, but they'll at least get you playing. You should probably just pick one in the colors you're interested in playing, though.

>>48685876
You can play a fairly competitive RDW deck in Standard.
You don't even need to splash for blue if you don't want to.
Bedlam Reveler is amazing, Tormeting Voice/Neonate+Fiery Temper it's a blast.
I would splash black just get acess to Alms of the Vein. With black you could also play Draconic Roar+Kolaghan Command + Thunderbreak Regent+ Kolaghan.

>>48687308
Well, I'm not looking to place or anything, I just want to feel like I atleast attempted to fight people. I mean, it's more of a "which is the better one to build off of" thing. From what I'm reading, the Dangerous Knowledge set seems to be the most popular.

>>48687238
I would get one from Shadow of Innistrad, the Green Blue one with Nephalia Drake as promo. It's a decent base for a clues deck.
If you really want a Eldritch Moon Intro I would stay with Red and Blue, Dangerous Knowledge or Mono Black Swallow Graves.

>>48687419

>not picking the starter set with tireless tracker

>>48682556
I'm also gonna play this kind of deck

I'd highly recommend squeezing some summary dismissals in the sideboard or mainboard though

Are there any red black pain lands in standard right now?

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Welp, I am playing Grixis Harmless Offering deck on one of the local game days.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/harmless-pact-standard/

Any assistance to not make it irredeemable janky meme trash (which it is) would be appreciated.

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>>48672729
Right now White is an absolute dread to play against.
>2 mana unconditional exile
>Mana accelerant with first strike
>Enchantment that provides a pump and vigilance
>2 drop that pumps everything on the board
>If splashing blue, access to unconditional bounce and you can't recast it next turn
>If splashing green, CoCo
Fuck White.

>>48689173

nope

>>48687624
What are you talking about? I literally recomended the Tracker Intropack.

>>48689762
>2 mana uncondional exile
That dosen't provide card advantage and it's Sorecery speed.
>Mana ,j. with first strike
With a color forbidding casting cost, can only be run by WWx decks.
>Enchantment that provides pump and Vigilance
Again only WWx decks, gets raped by Dromoka's Command, I know not everyone is running it, but the amount of Bant Company around is absurd. The impact is brutal, WWx decks can hardly recover after it.
>Thalia's Liutenant
Yeah, that's pretty amazing alright.
>Reflector Mage
Not really a White card, but yeah. Reflector Mage is a dick.
>Coco
Literally Green, green is the real guilty here.
BG Delirium, Temur Emerge, RG Ramp, Bant Company.
Almost everything Green.

Temur emerge yay or nay?
What's the consensus around here?
The window to play it is probably pretty small, i dont think it will be viable when Kaladesh comes out, the turbo emrakhul version in particular.

>>48690711
>only ran by WWx decks
Gee, it's almost like I'm complaining about White Weenies.

>>48668269
that motoko picture is painful

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>>48669331
your list is shit

>>48659942
I really like Contingency Plan to set the deck.

Also, Thing in the ice is fun.

>>48669489
Nigger, if you could build your deck out of the bulk you got from a single booster box then I fucking guarantee you could make it for FAR cheaper than the cost of the box itself.

>>48687419
A...Clues...Deck? Would I be like the Hardy Boys looking for a clue?

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>>48691329
Scooby-doo deck when?

>>48690267

Holy shit never mind me. I got the intropacks wrong.

>>48675084
Draw Go Control is "the best" when it is tuned specifically to beat the deck it is up against and draws perfectly. Of course neither of those are anywhere near realistic. Draw Go Control's biggest flaw is its reactive nature and low density of proactive threats.

>>48687240
The idea is to show up more. I've just been super busy.

>>48664527
I didn't realize this was a filename thread

>>48691414
>scooby: somberwald alpha
>daphne: expedition envoy
>fred: thraben inspector
>velma: tireless tracker
>shaggy: baby jace

>>48662889
sell and get a flip lili, shes super beast in edh.

>>48666369
t cruise isnt power 9, its just the fact the drawback isnt a drawback if you care about winning.

>>48692496
>edh

Yuck, a slow format that takes too long to play

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Been trying some budget UB zombies. Pretty fun.

Gonna rotate to mono black tonight.

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Just pulled this in an Eldritch Moon pack I bought on a whim because I felt lucky, should I sell it or keep it for memeplay?

>>48697969

its dropping fast

>>48697969
Sell it now unless you MUST have him

BEHOLD
THE FINAL DRAGON DECK BEFORE KALADESH

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dragons-out-for-harambe/

>>48698049

Why would Emmy 2 drop? Wasn't it in all the good decks at Pro Tour?

>>48697969
Same situation jus happened to my friend, and it is well worth the keks imo

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Planning to take these 75 to Game Day. Haven't bothered to update for EMN due to being broke/not caring.

Thoughts? How will I do?

>>48699201
U gon win bruv

>>48699201
Meta ain't ready for dragons right now

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>>48666088
>that pic

>>48699201
Incendiary flow?

>>48699890
Don't have any, might not be able to get any before game day

>>48699901
You can get a playset for $2

>>48699901
LGS sells it for $1 a piece.

>>48697841
mono black? why lose prized amalgam combo?... also why not murderous compulsion instead of bounce?

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I timed out with this draft deck when I had the win on board. I hate modo. I had 1 minute on the clock and all I needed was to draw a spell, but I drew 3 lands in a row, which brought my clock down to 10 seconds. Then my opponents spammed spells on my turn and I couldnt attack anymore.

Was trying to get cards for standard from my shop and there boxes and stuff were so disorganized. Why do people have to be such savages, are their own collections this disorganized or are they just being dicks?

Am I just autistic?

>>48701006
Not everyone is as organized as you.

>traded my Lil for 3 Thalia a week ago

Ehh, could have been worse.

>>48668304
The trick is to tell /tg/ a card is good and if they try and jump all over you and call you wrong and a faggot. You might be right.

If the card is legit bad, there'll be like one or two replies.

Is red just dead in this format?

>>48666128
>splashing red
>not using lightning berserker and thalias lieutenant wombo combo

>>48702273
No, there is that one thermo-alchemist deck that seems pretty terrible, but probably is okay right now.

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What about the Gitrog Monster? Are there any powerful decks making use of him?

Or just conley woods' special deck he invented, Gitrog Goggles?

>>48702398
Haha no fuck this frog
One of the most over-hyped cards i've ever seen, and it can easily become a burden to the player using it with poor draws.

>>48702398
over hyped nonsense. If you really want to play it you gotta git gud

Creatures (22)

2 Deathcap Cultivator
1 Den Protector
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Sylvan Advocate
4 Thought-Knot Seer
1 World Breaker
3 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
3 The Gitrog Monster

Planeswalkers (1)

1 Ob Nixilis Reignited

Lands (26)

4 Forest
3 Swamp
1 Wastes
3 Blighted Fen
2 Drownyard Temple
4 Evolving Wilds
4 Hissing Quagmire
4 Llanowar Wastes
1 Warped Landscape

Spells (11)

2 Pulse of Murasa
2 Spatial Contortion
2 Ultimate Price
2 Languish
3 Ruinous Path

Sideboard
2 Virulent Plague
2 Clip Wings
1 Ultimate Price
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
2 Duress
1 Languish
4 Transgress the Mind

>>48702398

Much better than the edh spider. The real underdog.

Is there a FAQ or something for newfags? I'm thinking about getting into MTG standard. I just want to know ballpark price of a meta deck, and if a rotation is happening soon.

>>48683821

So? Let them keep the land, it's only going to tap for colorless anyway.

>>48703342
Approximately $350 - $500 is a good ballpark figure for how much you will spend on a Standard deck, assuming no prior collection whatsoever.

Relatively soon, Dragons of Tarkir and Magic Origins will rotate out of Standard, this will mean no more Collected Company, which is the backbone of some major meta decks.
Standard rotates on September 30, 2016

>>48703407
Gee that seems expensive... i dont know if i want to get into MTG after all...

Maybe i'll go with a cheaper game like Force of Will or Yugioh

Why are people playing monoR when Atarkas Command is still here?

>>48703426
You can always borrow someone else's deck for events and FNMs. If you win with someone else's cards its pure profit basically (but its courteous to give them a slice of the earnings).

Wanting to start playing magic properly, I've got a small amount of experience and a mardu rush deck. Feeling out of my depth, anyone got any advice/articles on starting?

>>48703407
Thanks.The other guy was someone jacking my post. I appreciate it.

>>48703460
Look up articles by Conley Woods, he will tell you everything you need to know about standard in any particular format, he's a great pro player with alot of informative stuff out there.

In particular check out his drafting videos for the current set and also check out his set reviews on tcg-player
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=13372

>>48697969
It's gonna drop until next major standard event when people realize that BG Delirium is here to stay and that Emrakul is going to be a stapple on a number of decks throughout its life cycle in standard.

>>48702398
Ramp, world breaker, frog, goggles, 4x languish, 4x grasp

Jund Frog is the only frog

Trying to get back into standard, last time I played magic was in '13. Any fun green/red decks?

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I don't really play standard. I just wanted to play in the game day to get a playset of the unsubstantiate promo.

That said, this looked fun to play, think this will get me anywhere? Any suggestions?

>>48706119
RUG delirium did good, you could try that if you're cool with splashing blue

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Got a Liliana from emn, should I sell it now or wait/keep it?

>>48706183
Bedlam Reveler

>>48706183
thermo alchemist my man

>>48707206
Is there a version of the UR thermo alchemist deck without baby Jace and wandering fumarole?

>>48703426
wait for rotation in september

right now we are still in the hype phase after a new set and all the cards in it are inflated beyond belief

if you wait for september and preorder the good cards from the set/buy a box you will probably do alright and then be able to pick up the singles you need to play a deck or maybe 2 for around $200-$400

>>48709585
speaking of September

what are the cards to pick up before rotation?

>Spell Queller
>Liliann
>Kalitas
>Bedlam Reveler
>Declaration in Stone
>Avacyn
>Relentless Dead
>Kozelik's Return
>Emrakul
>Eldrazi Displacer
>All the good emerge cards
>Prized Amalgam

anything else that people think is a good card to have before rotation?
I feel like I am probably missing a bunch of red cards that might be good post rotation
maybe Chandra?

Quick, new thread!

>>48703426
Just play Limited instead of Constructed. It's way more fun and nets you cards in the process while also teaching you more about playing and deckbuilding.

Granted drafting is also expensive, but it's just 15$ for a night which you could grab a few beers with in a bar.

>>48710758
I sort of second this.

Drafts are fairly well balanced and teach you many aspects of the game, but you can get into constructed once you have some value cards you can build upon.

Draft and prereleases are the best way to start playing, then buying singles to create constructed decks with a larger card pool is the best way to go. Standard is the least money-imposing format, and you can get a pretty decent deck for 130+ bucks if you aren't buying playsets of planeswalkers or kalitas and co.

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So I put together this build from hareruya to play at game day. I normally stick to limited and have never actually played standard outside of kitchen table so can you guys help me create a sideboard?

I put in one more hanweir battlements and took out one forest, but it is clearly weak to flying, so I thought about 3-4 tears of valakut in the side. Any more thoughts? Maybe some card draw somewhere in the main?

>>48712231
aerial volley my dude

I was thinking about making a reanimator deck using this guy as a exile outlet and possibly a game winner (obviously more a fun deck).

What are some decent and possibly low priced cards to go along his ability? Devastators and Obliterators are a given, but any more creatures?

Colors don't matter since it'll be a reanimator deck.

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>>48712419
Forgot pic.

hey guys, i recently pulled these 3 cards and was wondering if they're even worth playing, they seem like a lot of fun but im unsure how to use them properly as im still new to the game.

(for instance and i kill Reletnless dead 5 times in a turn to have westvale transform)

- Archangel Avacyn
- Relentless Dead
- Westvale Abbey

also, how does Indestructible work, is that just for like spells and stuff or can they only be killed by exile spells

>>48712650
so a couple things:
avacyn is an absolute bomb in a lot of decks—extremely playable but also extremely sellable.
you, however, cannot kill relentless dead 5 times to flip westvale abbey. you need to sac 5 things at once.
there are some really great zombie decks that relentless dead can fit into, but avacyn as a curvetopper works in almost any deck

>>48712650
Exile effects, minus effects like languish and for example sacrafice effects like Fleshbag Marauder get rid of Indestructible.

No, you can't use Relentless Dead to solo activate abbey, since the moment you activate the sac effect you need to have those 5 creatures on board for it.

>>48712650
Westvale abbey triggers only with five INDIVIDUAL creatures. You need to sacrifice five creatures all at once in order to trigger the ability.

>>48712650
oh and indestructible means it can't be killed by damage or by a "destroy" effect—it can be exiled and its toughness can drop to 0 killing it, though

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thanks guys!
im kind of wanting to see if i can either build a deck around the abbey using spirit tokens or that devil bomb card in red... play with devils i think its called.
my Avacyn is foil and i triple sleeved it when i pulled it out so i might sell it if i can.

>>48712802
For Abbey a perfect deck imo would be Golgari sack with Eldrazi Scions, using stuff like Blisterpods and shit like that.

With proper setup you'd be probably able to flip it turn 3-4.

>>48712873
is that from the set that's going out of rotation next?

>>48712976
nah scions are around until Q2 2017

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>>48712976
Fuck no and i hope they'll never get banned.

Blisterpods are cute CUTE

>>48713062
colourless? but you need a forest to cast it

also is the Mana addition permanent? or just for the turn that you sac the creature on

>>48713097
Turn on which you sac the creature and I'm guessing the made some color requiring eldrazis devoid so you can't make ridiculously OP deck based on them.

how should i modify UW spirits to handle the changed meta at game day?
people are going to be playing both emrakul and emrakul hate (alchemist burn)

>>48713152
Devoid isn't a downside as far as I'm aware, unless you have something that says "green creatures you control get x", whereas most green synergy I've seen comes from devotion and the thing still gives you 1 devotion.

In fact it makes it so you can't kill it with Ultimate Price, protection from green is useless vs it, and it can synergize with colorless-matters cards like crossroads or ruins of oran-reef

It's a pretty neat submechanic and I enjoy it for constructed potential, unlike that pesky Ingest mechanic which is for draft purposes I'm assuming.

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